Pixiv is Imploding

[Anonymous No.]

So apparently a ton of artists are deleting/privating their entire galleries on Pixiv in response to a tweet going viral today which showed someone made an AI program that learns the style of any given artist through learning their gallery.
Pixiv is trending with a total of 182k tweets as of writing this and it's increasing every by the minute. Nearly half of all the artists I follow privated their galleries so this seems serious.

[Anonymous No.]

it is unavoidable in the future so that most artists will need to keep their work offline for the most part

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>>43423466
There was a viral tweet of some guy boasting that he made thousands with pixivFANBOX using AI generated art in response to an artist's complaints.

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>>43423466
We all know this day was coming, nothing we can do but to enjoy while it last.

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>>43423466
>in response to a tweet going viral today which showed someone made an AI program that learns the style of any given artist through learning their gallery.

Link it, I want to see the seethe and drama. Unlike these whiners, I'm AI-proof because I make animations lmao

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>>43423466
people have been doing this for the past 6 months already. Gallery-dl'ing their work and making a LoRA/finetune model out of it. They only just realised now, but their data has already been scraped heheh

[Anonymous No.]

Too bad so sad.

They better just deal with it. Also, you should link the Tweet, OP.

[Anonymous No.]

Is this the tweet you're talking about?

https://twitter.com/tadanojako/status/1654676274089197568

[Anonymous No.]

Pixiv implodes 2-3 times a month. Wake me up when something happens to a booru.

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>>43423582
within 2 years animations will all be ripped and created by AI too

[This is the future AI trannies want No.]

You will NOT have hobbies.
You will NOT learn how to draw.
You will NOT learn Japanese.
You WILL work in the cage.
You WILL live in the pod.
You WILL have nothing.
You will NOT be happy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43423466
>So apparently a ton of artists are deleting/privating their entire galleries on Pixiv
And I bet almost all of them are keeping their Fanboxes.
I don't mind these boycotts because as a consumer I'm sick of all the AI spam but this shit will never work as long as Pixiv doesn't have proper competition.

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>>43423582
>AI-proof because I make animations
>AI-proof
>animations
You're legitimately retarded, anon

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>>43423769
Show me an AI generated animation that has a consistency like real animation instead of looking like a schizophrenic nightmare.

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>>43423769
The troons will eventually take over that, too, but for now, animations are safe because AI-generated animations objectively look like shit.

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>>43423761
and you will eat zee bugs

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>>43423778
I can't because they don't exist yet. However, given the speed at which AI is becoming more advanced and reliable, I can expect AI-generated animations to become much better technically speaking in just a few years. You'll be crying on Twitter by then, just as the conventional artists have been.

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I mean
Do they think the stuff they upload on Twitter is somehow safe from all this?

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>>43423466
>So apparently a ton of artists are deleting/privating their entire galleries on Pixiv in response to a tweet going viral today which showed someone made an AI program that learns the style of any given artist through learning their gallery.
Thats any AI? its hardly the first one, people been scraping pixiv for AI for months now.
>>43423509
Yeah that is just wrong.

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>>43423812
The japanese seems to not know much about scrappers

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>>43423847
>Yeah that is just wrong.
Nope.

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>>43423466
Christ, thank G*d I've been downloading my favorites thus far.

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>>43423856
Its essentially robbing money from actual retards

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Fuck I hate Twitter images
Others mostly hate it for being hard to sift through tons of game screenshots and yakiniku photos or for downgrading images, but personally I hate how its naming system makes the images go all over the place in my folder

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>>43423466
Whats the best pixiv downloader? hitomi or PixivUtil2?

[Anonymous No.]

Man, I ain't dealing with this, it's a no-fap weak.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe they shouldn't upload their works online if they fear other people being allowed to scrape the data or have companies use it as they see fit since both are allowed by pretty much any website ToS, not just Pixiv
>>43423812
They think shit like Poipiku (whatever its called) or privatter saves their works but it's not gonna stop someone with a Twitter account from grabbing the pics and reuploading for whatever use they see fit
>>43423509
People are that lazy that they'll pay someone else when they can generate content themselves? Jeez

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>>43424018
Some are using glaze to "prevent" people from using them to train AI
All it does is make the pictures look horrendous zoomed in, and I'm sure if people really wanted to use their damn pictures they'd run the pictures through photoshop or whatever to clean the images

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>>43424076
The fuck is glaze?

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>>43424134
Some filter that can trick AI into not being able to learn
https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.04222
It looks fucking hideous and I think it's just one button away from being useless when it gets put through photoshop

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>>43423482
Or the whole valuation system of drawn art in regards to monetary value gets turned on its head, which is happening methinks.
What a lot of artists, especially NSFW artists, don't seem to want to admit is that a lot of the fans of their content are more-or-less exclusively fans of the content, and feel little obligation to support someone if AI gets close enough or subjectively superior.

I doubt this will directly affect the valuation of preexisting high-society art in popular culture because the valuation already has little to do with artistic appreciation by the owner.

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>>43424183
lmao it really looks hideous and you can BTFO it by running the image on img2img with low denoising, not even PS is needed

[Anonymous No.]

There is a reason to buy some commisions from artists, just like people from the past did with the painters from the old time.

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>>43423790
Bro your emphasis on trying to claim you are not fundamentally in the same line of the firing squad as them is actually embarrassing.
If you care about making a living through animation in the foreseeable future rather than just now, you should be supporting the artists whose medium was more trivial* than yours to artificially generate to a satisfying degree.
If you don't, you should already be considering a career pivot before you're forced to.


* If you respond contesting how trivial it really is, or if it is possible at all, you're going to need to elaborate about what part of your creative production cannot be replicated by machine given enough time and resources.

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>>43423761
The committee wants us to be a very, very individual lambs; fulfilling their needs of pictures, videos, musics, and texts using their AI. Then, we would all die because we don't feel like we would need other people while the member of the club of the committee remain alive without being dependent on AI. What a game.

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>>43424227
what I foresee is computing power and AI software will soon give us all the power to create the content we want to see on our own computers very easily and quickly

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>>43424326
But that would develop sloth among people, which might lead them to being lazy to modify the AI-created work (although it's becoming more unlikely that AI's work is imperfect) or even lacking the skill to. And as the art creation process is done mostly by AI and people's exposure is limited to what AI produces, that shall gradually decrease their imagination.

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>>43424347
thats what gpt has done to some schoolers lmao

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>>43424183
What the hell are those things?

[Anonymous No.]

grifters trying to make the future as boring as possible

[Anonymous No.]

This will be the 20th time that pixiv has died. See you again in 2 months when it dies again.

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>>43424183
its like someone rubbed oil on the fucking digital painting.

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>>43424326
Stuff like animations will still take some time to be done completely by AI

[Anonymous No.]

Image AI really gets controversial in Japan but somehow voice AI doesn't even though we're already getting videos of Umas and BAs covering famous songs really well and I can't imagine their VAs are all too happy about that
I guess Vocaloids being a thing for over a decade kinda dulled people's senses on that front

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>>43424709
on the voice AI side i'm enjoying the fuck out of dagoth ur talking shit.

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>>43424709
>Image AI really gets controversial in Japan
Only when it specifically copies a known artist, these motherfuckers have no issue throwing millions of yen at AI fanbox accounts that use the generic NAI model.

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>>43424716
Come to think of it it's the same in the Western side too isn't it
R*dditors and D*viantartists despise AI art but all that voice AI is being used for is making cartoon characters say retarded shit and the US presidents play CoD or whatever and everyone loves them
Although I guess it won't be long before people start to make paywalls for making certain voices say something indecent or whatever and THEN suddenly people will be picking up pitchforks against voice AIs too

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>>43423778
>Show me an AI generated animation that has a consistency like real animation instead of looking like a schizophrenic nightmare.
You know artists were saying the same thing just half a year ago with Dalle?

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>>43424818
Show him an animation done by AI instead of dodging the question, retard.

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>>43424849
>dodging the question
There wasn't a question, tourist. Go back to 2020 and talk about AI being crap at drawing anime style pics, lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

AI shit is the perfect proof that normalfags need to be protected from themselves and don't deserve freedom.

[Anonymous No.]

Seems an easy solution. Just have Fanbox ban monetising AI art. Done and dusted.

That's what those artists are upset about eight? They aren't throwing a fit just for the sake of it, right?

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>>43423582

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Oh no another big yab that will totally end pixiv this time for real im being serious it's truly over people won't just forget it by next week like all the other times

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>>43423761
>You will NOT have hobbies.
Wrong. Honestly, I don't like AI images. Almost all I've seen look bland and generic, and the people making them usually lack creativity, so the result is rarely interesting.
>You will NOT learn Japanese.
Sorry to inform, but the machine overlords are a bit too late on that.
>You WILL work
I'll die before that happens.

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>>43423761
>You WILL work
But this technology is going to put employed artists out of commission. They will no longer work.

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>>43427194
They won't be truly out of work until AI learns to draw Tokitsukaze being strangled by Arbok well

[Anonymous No.]

Why it imploded only now? This shit was know for like 5 months.

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>>43427219
Emulating any artist's style became much easier recently and you no longer need a 4.7GB checkpoint

[Anonymous No.]

I enjoy AI generation but those userss that just scrape everything and then flood pixiv with hundreds of same generic images should be banned.

[Anonymous No.]

No I don't fucking "understand", do they seriously think Twitter is some magical place where people can't download their pictures or something?

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>>43427382
Yeah it's pretty dumb. I thought Japanese people were intelligent but then they pull shit like this.

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>>43427297
I make AI shit myself, and I'd be all for banning monetisation of AI "art." Well, truth be told, I'd be more for the banning of those who pay actual, real money for a dump of 50+ unfiltered, samey pictures from living, but that's a significantly more arduous endeavour.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the point of hiding and then posting somewhere else that can be also scraped as easily? Are they idiots?

[Anonymous No.]

smells like crossies in here

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>>43427555
real /jp/sies oppose AI
supporting AI will kill the anime, seiyuu and doujin industry
why do you all want to kill otaku culture?

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>>43423466
Good, maybe I'll stop wasting 6 hours per week scrolling through touhou art.

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>>43427194
Haha as if that was a real work to begin with.

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>>43427555
go back to your imagedump thread

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>>43427623
It's more real than 4chan jannies anyways

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>>43427447
Twitter crunches all uploaded media to shit, so maybe they're counting on compression to fuck up the AI.

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>>43427723
This is even more retarded because AI is super incredibly good at upscaling images. I can upscale any image from like 128x128 to 8k anime or photorealistic.

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>>43427723
That's not going to fuck up the AI at all....

[Anonymous No.]

We are at a weird shitty stage, simillar thing was going on in late 90s early 00s when doomposters "predicted" the end of all anime and cartoons because of CGI. Technology always wins, skill gatekeeping always loses.

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>>43427776
It's been 30 years and CGI anime is barely acceptable. Handdrawn is still the king

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>>43427793
Do you think Pixar rose to fame from hand drawn movies?

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>>43427776
And the majority of anime is still not CGI. And the few times it is, it's awful.

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>>43427793
By CGI I mean even coloring and editing, not just 3D. Full handdrawn do not exist anymore. Even stuff like Tale of the Princess Kaguya and Ping Pong uses lot of tech that was hated a lot in late 90s.

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>>43427447
artists are generally pretty stupid, yes

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>>43427816
I am talking about anime which has historically been a 2d medium. If you want to talk about something that went from 2D to 3D, look at Disney and their 10000th remake of old classics since they are absolutely creatively bankrupt

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>>43424347
The AI will be creative.So we are probably going to end up with either The Culture or Dune.

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>>43427871
There are many popular anime series that use CGI, either partially or fully.

"Attack on Titan" - This dark fantasy anime series features intense action scenes that are animated using a combination of traditional and CGI animation techniques.

"Knights of Sidonia" - This science fiction anime series is fully animated using CGI, which gives it a unique look and feel compared to traditional anime.

"Berserk" - This dark fantasy anime series uses a mix of traditional and CGI animation, with the latter being used primarily for the show's action sequences.

"Land of the Lustrous" - This fantasy anime series is fully animated using CGI, which allows for incredibly detailed and intricate character designs.

"Ajin: Demi-Human" - This science fiction/horror anime series uses a blend of traditional and CGI animation, with the latter being used primarily for the show's supernatural elements.

"Godzilla Singular Point" - This recent anime series features a blend of traditional and CGI animation to bring the iconic monster to life in a new and exciting way.

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>>43427900
Did ChatGPT write this answer for you? You cannot possibly defend the use of CGI by saying shit like the Berserk CGI anime was good. That was most likely the biggest possible insult to a manga I have ever seen.

Fuck off, AI shill. I have seen enough.

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>>43427900
>There are many popular anime series that use CGI, either partially or fully.
>"Berserk"
Wait, are you arguing in favor or against CGI in anime?

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>>43423466
are retarded zoomers really only finding about this now? people have been using bots to scrape pixiv for ai purposes since this stuff first droped last year lmao

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>>43427944
>OOMERS OOMERS OOMERS OOMERS

[Anonymous No.]

Any news from Pixiv stuff? They usually react to this kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, do you agree with this sentiment?

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>>43423761
Stop blaming trannies and actually fight for womens' rights to not have their art be mercilessly stolen

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>>43428069
Sort of. I think things started getting bad when artists decided to post their art on twitter (which is a piece of shit) instead of Pixiv.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't care, I only use boorus, kemono and exhentai anyway lmao.

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>>43428069
rlly makes u think

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>>43428391
I legitimately don't like using Pixiv over danbooru, especially given their stance on r-18 stuff.

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>>43427382
It's more about pressuring Pixiv specifically than just avoiding AI scraping.
A lot of artists only use Pixiv galleries as glorified Fanbox ads anyway so abandoning it hurts far less than getting fucked by Twitter.

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>>43428069
No Pixiv was already kind of ass before the AI stuff where any upload can randomly be privated due to bot moderation shitting itself or the weirdos who upload captions + use their uploads for trading Session IDs (you know what)

[Anonymous No.]

Why those AI retards are training on Pixiv when all anime SD models are trained on danbooru and literally use danbooru tags like 1girl. Danbooru also has way better tools for scraping. Danbooru also has posts from pixiv and other platform. They fucked up really hard.

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>>43428439
>bot moderation shitting itself
Having been flagged a bunch of times for "insufficient censoring" myself, I can tell you that's really some bullshit. I basically just re-saved the files and everything was somehow hunky-dory afterwards. How does that even work?

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>>43428502
Maybe it's just to add insult to injury going directly for the artist pages than using an archive site

[Anonymous No.]

Damn a whole 20 arts from my collection got lost because i was always lazy to actually download them and i can't even remember which one they were...

[Anonymous No.]

the biggest oversensitive pussy & racist artists were from japan so this doesn't surprise me one bit.

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>>43428333
Yeah, once pixiv became an afterthought it was already over. It is kind of funny that twitter being complete trash for art is now a selling point though.

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>>43423466
God why are all artists such fags, who cares if it's an ai or a person, people using other art as references and even learning the style of is just part of how art works.

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>>43428791
Someone learning from your art by meticulously studying is different than some fag scraping your art gallery, telling the computer to generate 10000 images that look like yours, and selling those images while advertising them as "[INSERT ARTIST NAME]'s style" for a quick buck.

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>>43428823
Nothing illegal about that since AI training is fair use

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>>43423509
I'm pretty sure he got caught faking it.

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>>43428835
It's not illegal, sure, but it's scummy, and if artists want to pressure Pixiv so it at least doesn't happens through there then they are in the right.

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>>43423466
I think art being the first big showcase of AI generation was a mistake, because most artists are incredibly volatile, it's like a given that an artist will either be egotistic or unstable. Even before AI shit artists going nuclear and deleting every trace of themselves over something petty was pretty common.

We could be talking about all the cool shit AI is capable of but instead all we get is artists having a nuclear meltdown on twitter every other week because somebody trained an AI off their style.

That being said I do think AI art should have it's own platform at least, shit like pixiv being flooded with dime-a-dozen generic AI generated artworks isn't great.

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>>43428858
What the fuck is pixiv supposed to do? No one can stop you from downloading arts and doing whatever you want with them
Completely banning ai art is also retarded because there are some extremely high-quality ai "artists" already who put way more effort into polishing their art than most of the artist

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>>43428877
I wish I could refute you but I already nuked my art gallery once lol.
Yeah just get it out of my sight. If Pixiv bans it and I don't have to see a bunch of AI trash whenever I look up references or want to masturbate to 2hus then I wouldn't mind as much. Out of sight, out of mind.
Then there's all these retards on 4chan spamming every art thread in every single board with AI trolling and shilling, but that's another thing

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>>43428877
I mean at the end of the day, an image is an image.
If you can obviously tell it's AI to the point where it bugs you, then get an artist. I don't think it's at the point yet where it would pass a visual analogue of the Turing test, so there still is a little niche for actual human art.
But trying to pretend that it doesn't exist is dumb, so while I think it would in fact be reasonable enough to say "no" to AI art spam, that's not going to stop people from training the bots to do what they do better and better. Eventually, there will come a point where some guy in his basement can churn out a shiny new bit of artwork with a couple of prompts and maybe a rough sketch for posing or whatever, that's indistinguishable from what a human could do or even better. That day is coming, and no amount of autism and throwing the toys out of the pram will change that.

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>>43428893
>Completely banning ai art is also retarded
No, it makes complete sense, go make your own website. Artists will whine less if they don't have to be reminded of AI every single time they open their art platform of choice, so you also win with that deal.
And if the art is superior, people will naturally flock to it, isn't that right? What downside is there to AI trash being banned off Pixiv and other art sites? Everyone wins.
>B-but I worked really hard at prompting this, I'm an artist too
I don't care, fuck off

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>>43428901
>If Pixiv bans it and I don't have to see a bunch of AI trash whenever I look up references or want to masturbate to 2hus
My reactionary man, Pixiv already HAS an AI filter that's on by default for everyone. You have to go the fuck out of your way to turn it off to even see AI images. You just outed yourself as an idiot AND an emotional cunt.

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>>43428901
I thought there was already an AI filter in place? Unless people aren't fucking using it to tag their works for whatever reason.
>>43428893
They can do what Poipiku does and disable right click via Javascript, or fuck around with <canvas> to make it harder to grab the image, but it won't stop people who know how to script and are determined.

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>>43428922
Hey you retarded AI cuck, maybe you should actually try using pixiv for something other than mass ripping images for once in your life. You'd notice that the filter is complete shit within 30 minutes.

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>>43428922
>>43428936
They aren't fucking using it. I still have to navigate through a fuckton of generic AI slop whenever I want to look for anything, even if I have the filter active.
AI has proven to be a blight on the site. It has polluted the search too much and pissed off a bunch of artists that left due to the leniency of the site against it.

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>>43428921
>go make your own website
Says the guy telling Pixiv how to run their site

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>>43428840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvVs_KW6krA

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>>43427447
Nah just 文系

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>>43428840
nowadays all it takes is a simple inspect element. why would they use photoshop

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>>43428951
>You'd notice that the filter is complete shit within 30 minutes.
I haven't so far. Maybe don't browse gacha sluts?
>>43428955
>the leniency of the site against it.
If so, that's the real root of the problem, isn't it? Are people not tagging AI-generated shit properly? Then that's a job for the moderation staff. It's a Pixiv problem, not a technology problem.

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>>43428919
I don't disagree with you. My point is moreso that having some sort of distinguishable platform or something to separate what's hand drawn and what's generated would be a simple solution.

The main problem right now is you have people pretending to be "artists" selling full priced commissions generated by AI pretending it's hand-drawn. We're not at the point yet where it's totally indistinguishable but somebody decent in touching up images can make an AI generated image look pretty close.

No matter what I don't think things will stay like this for long. We're like in a wild west of AI stuff where people can generally do whatever they want - when there's finally a big scandal involving someone of status I guarantee you they'll start cracking down on stuff hard. Whether it be some realistic voice impersonation that gets someone killed/hurt/scammed or a indistinguishable AI generated sex tape of some celebrity or something.

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>>43423509
A few months ago it was possible now all platforms are overflown with AI shit, now you may make like $1k if you try super hard to make some unique coomer stuff but it's still time consuming and just not worth it because it has no future and gives no skills. Still there are thousands of AI generators with multiple accounts generating hundreds of shit per single account every day and trying to squeeze every cent from their trash.

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>>43428921
>I'm an artist too
AI content creator here. None of us ever said this, ever. Stop projecting. And maybe educate yourself on how prompting works. It's not nearly as easy as it appears, so operating it with any efficiency is a trained skill. Not an artistic one, but it's not like you're being shown up by complete incompetents. In case this makes you feel better.

[Anonymous No.]

So they're boycotting a website for things completely outside of their hands (and is actually fundamental to its function, what do they think an image hoster's job is if not letting people fucking look at their work) because they think it's an affront to their own expression of freedom or some crap but when a drunk not-yakuza says "NO MOAR SEIUN SKY FANART PERIOD" they say "yes sir" and promptly delete all their fanart without even attempting to persuade the guy first

[Anonymous No.]

not my pixirenho guys NOT MY PIXIERINHOOOO

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>>43429048
how are you dealing with stuff like fingers etc? can you fix everything just with a prompt or do you still need to send some time on editing?

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>>43429057
They value their lives more than their freedom of expression I guess. Nobody wants to be the guy with two bullets to the back of his head for drawing horse girl porn

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What artists removed ther art? Mine followings are all fine.

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>>43429048
I'm almost on your side, but god you sound like a plebbitor.
Did you screech in 2016?

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>>43429060
I redraw or, if I'm feeling extremely lazy, regenerate a thousand times (and rake up an astronomical electricity bill) until I get a passing result. Which I'll still touch up manually because pedantism.

Does this make me an artist? I don't think so. But I do put in a bunch of effort and commit a lot of time, so it's slightly insulting to be thought of as a mere [Generate] button pusher.

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>>43429074
Why, what happened in 2016?

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>>43429070
the idea of outrage is more intriguing than the actual event

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>>43429075
Why not? Just because you didn't win a genetic lottery and don't have drawing talent shouldn't stop you from creating
I don't care in what way the art was made as long as it looks good

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>>43429070
I found >>43427382 amongst my follows list
But honestly OP was probably exaggerating with his "nearly half of all the artists" (or the fandom he's following is filled with more retards than mine), I'd say only about 2% of my follows privated everything, if even that

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>>43429069
If they valued freedom of expression they wouldn't be redirecting their fans to a website that hands out search/suggestion bans on artists who draw the slightest bit of exposed skin a little bit too often
Seriously, how is it that when Twitter fucks up these Japs are very tolerant but when Pixiv fucks up they all go berserk

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While the touchy artists are busy screeching, those with any amount of acumen are using AI to lessen their workload. Lolimate? Uses AI to pre-draw and feel out the poses. Arono Oki? Saves time by using AI to draw boring or unimportant manga panels. Carbon Meshi? Same as Lolimate. Clever and industrious artists, every one.

AI is a tool like any other. Maybe learn to use it to your benefit instead of throwing a fit? So what if a non-artist can also train themselves in its use? Shouldn't you be happy for them?

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>>43429200
They are scared because they fear it might make them irrelevant if an AI manages to """steal""" their art style

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>>43429200
I often use AI to make my own fapping material and I don't like being made to look like a retard by you
You know very well that that isn't the point of this entire retarded fiasco

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>>43429213
SD has vast limitations, even with specialised LORAs. You can always spot an AI-generated picture, no matter well edited it may be. And how is that different from another artist picking up a style, besides? I can count on the hairs of my dick the number of former assistants who went on to "steal" their sensei's style when they moved on to make OC. Nobody was screeching then.

Where does the line blur? If I draw anything resembling another artist's style, at which point is the original content quotient high enough not to offend the source? Can I start with a rough AI sketch or look at an AI-generated picture as a reference or is that still too much?

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>>43429216
>You know very well that that isn't the point of this entire retarded fiasco
Then pray spell it out for me.

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>>43429249
Someone made a script that scrapes the images from a Pixiv gallery and uses them to train AI
Retarded artists got scared and thus are moving to fucking Twitter which is even easier to scrape considering you don't even need an account to look at images
They aren't moving out of Pixiv because they think AI users are cheating and shouldn't be allowed on the website or anything, they are moving out because someone found out that you can use Pixiv to download images

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>>43429200
This. I bet my ass in 1-2 years absolutely every paint tool from sai to photoshop will have built in AI tools. Adobe already investing shit tons of money in this. AI art will achieve a point when it will be absolutely impossible to tell if that's AI or not and users will not give a fuck.

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>>43429238
>how is that different from another artist picking up a style
Because while attempting to replicate an art style is an arduous task for a mere human to do, an AI can do so quickly and reliably. Even if you can always spot an AI-generated picture, there is no denying that loRAs are incredibly good at replicating other styles. It's difficult to answer the question of where the line blurs because there is no legal precedence on whether this AI training is considered stealing or not. Taking references from art you view in your life and then incorporating them into your own art is much different that what a machine can do, which relies on statistical equations. Unless you engage in direct copying i.e tracing over the art itself or photo shoping, it's not entirely clear when the line between plagiarism and fair use ends and begins.

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>>43429313
Getting upset at technological progress enabling laymen to do what has thus far been an exclusive skill is simply... well, it's simply fucking stupid, isn't it? Whatever next? We're going to ban non-nerds from using computers to do spreadsheets because they can't build them? Good fucking lord. Imagine screeching at some normie to go back to using a calculator instead of doing the faster, easier and technology-enabled thing.

Insanity. And I say this as an artist (although not a visual one).

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>>43429336
Not even him, but god you are so blatantly a shill it's not even funny. It's not like banning AI from Pixiv is "halting progress" but it's certainly going to make it's current user base much happier since now they won't have to deal with vermin trying to use their names to get a quick buck or they won't have to navigate through a sea of AI garbage to find anything.

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>>43429238
>You can always spot an AI-generated picture, no matter well edited it may be.
No you can't.
With sufficient touching up of things like the eyes and hair, the majority of the work can come from AI and it still look as good as human. You just need the right model, and not-terrible drawing skills, i.e. knowing how to use photoshop basics.

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>>43429446
>It's not like banning AI from Pixiv is "halting progress"
Clearly I'm not saying that, you moron, because I've advocated Pixiv doing just that several times in this thread.
>going to make it's current user base much happier
Talking about the same userbase that's not only following AI-shit posters by the thousands but even paying real fucking money for it?

[Anonymous No.]

pixiv was never good

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>>43429200
>AI is a tool like any other. Maybe learn to use it to your benefit instead of throwing a fit?
Block printing is a tool that made caligraphy pretty obsolete, but I wouldn't be happy if I went to a caligraphy exhibit and found a load of block printing, especially if said blocks were made from scalping someone elses caligraphy.

The AI progression if great, but acting like there can't be any complaints about it is retarded. I certainly don't want to be having to wade through it when looking for actual images since most of it is currently garbage, thankfully there's a filter that catches most of it. Artists no doubt have complaints and they're welcome to fight that fight, whether it be trying to avoid AI learning from them (which seems like a futile fight unless they plan on uploding nowhere), or simply wanting AI off the same sections as "real" art.

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>>43429521
Damn anon, you might have to tone it down, since that is a dangerously based position.

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>>43429531
What I'm getting from this is this is a problem with organisation and/or terminology.

So why, then, are artists deleting real art from a site they want to host exclusively such art? Makes no god damn sense.

That was a rhetorical question. The rhetorical answer is because those artists are babies who think in terms of me, me, ME and completely fail to consider other people's perspectives, including those of their fellow artist who have successfully employed AI to great effect.

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>>43423761
None of these things are bad. Cope and seethe.

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>>43429558
niggers literally coding bots to mass steal their artwork aren't "fellow artists".

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>>43429660
I don't want to live in the fucking pod mr. Vader, and unless you own lvl IV plates you can't make me.

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>>43429701
Oh yes, when I said "fellow artists" surely I meant people who aren't fellows nor artists.

Learn to fucking read, "kudasai".

[Anonymous No.]

I pretty decent at stea.. I mean borrowing artists styles, anyone want a model trained for them?

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>>43429558
Artists are narcissistic and so are coomers, they are literally so starved for porn they would rather have bots create their own personalized porn than other human beings. Anyway what else is new?

[Anonymous No.]

This future doesn't seem so great. It feels like we're parallel to the road of greatness, but maybe everything will have to be very shit before it gets very good.

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>>43429705
>You will NOT be happy.
You already chose to be an unhappy seething faggot, stop making up excuses
>>43429728
Based AI making inflatable balloon boobs

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>>43429824
>Pod = happiness
I bet you think mealworms are for human consumption too you WEF shill.
I will own stuff, and I will be happy because I will BE happy, not because of "reeducation".

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>>43429840
I don't even understand any word of what you are saying

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>>43429857
Are you sure you just don't want to?

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>>43429823
That's how it works, can't find happiness if all you've ever experienced was positive

[Anonymous No.]

Don't tell me you are so anti-AI that you're actually supporting these retards moving to fucking Twitter of all things

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>>43429929
They should all move to Futaba desu

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>>43429977
This. And tell Hiroshima to implement an oegaki function for this shithole, for fuck's sake.

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>>43429977
But how would they farm all those sweet sweet upboats

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>>43430006
Futaba has its own version of upvotes

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>>43427952
>1 word buzzword reply
hit the nail right on the head huh little timmy

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>>43424807
Nobody caring about the voice AI stuff is especially weird.
Imagine somebody fabricating a politician saying something horrible or declaring war and people not being able to tell the difference.

[Anonymous No.]

Pixiv died when they fall to the western consumers.

[Anonymous No.]

Twitter died when they allowed immature fucks use it.

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>>43430250
Politicians and the rich can say anything, though. Don't be silly, they lie all the time and NOTHING ever happens to them.

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>>43430250
It cannot come soon enough

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>>43430275
>Twitter died
I wish

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>>43428069
Don't know, I can't fuckin read it

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>>43423466
I always knew downloading full galleries was a good idea lmao. Not that I'll ever look at them but at least I have some downloaded.

This is dumb though, people who were going to train models already have and the entire website is probably scraped by tons of people. And what's the sense in keeping your art to yourself? AI isn't going anywhere also.

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>>43428069
First pic: pixiv when it was for Japanese users only and invite only
Second pic: pixiv after opening to w*stern pigdogs in 2008 and ditching the invite system

Fix'd.

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>>43428877
It was going to happen sometime, doesn't really matter when. I agree AI should have its own platform though but no one stepped up. There's a lot of cool things an AI platform could have, I bet someone could make millions doing it.

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>>43429030
The only problem are the spastic people that can't handle another art form that's barely different than normal art.

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>>43423466
All the bookmarks I didn't save gone...

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>>43429060
Control net
>>43429075
>regenerate a thousand times
You're shit at prompting.

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>>43430735
That's not a real answer.

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Great, more artists will now adopt the retarded policy of
>Do not repost, save, download, heavily reference, trace, look, and breathe on my art.
Soon the entire art world will just become private twitter circlejerks because of this retarded twitterism and AI boogeyman. I wish Japanese artists didn't spend 90% of their adult life on shit like Twitter.

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>>43427194
He mean you will work a tedious bullshit job because robotics aren't there. All white collar workers are getting replaced, not just artists.

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>>43430965
I'm genuinely worried getting my first dev job is going to be hellish in a few months because of this stuff. It's code monkeys the AI is going to kill first and fuck man, I can't work like an experienced developer right off the bat.

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I'm so tired of arguments in favor of AI art that relies on making assumptions of why people don't like it. There's some good takes in favor of the stuff, but so much of it is vindictive nonsense that it poisons the whole well.

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>>43430999
That's a pretty good summary of why the modern internet is so tedious to read.

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>>43429558
>The rhetorical answer is because those artists are babies who think in terms of me, me, ME and completely fail to consider other people's perspectives
Not a single self-aware bone in your body, is there?

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>>43430999
>so much of it is vindictive nonsense
You could not possibly be projecting harder. People had the exact same sort of reaction to digital art as they're having to AI art, and that's setting aside the people trying to use the outrage as a way to create even more ridiculous copyright laws. Yeah, sites like Pixiv should do better to allow people to filter AI art but the only real change brought about by it is that the entry requirement for someone to create the content they want is lowered drastically.

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>>43430999
>I'm so tired of arguments in favor of AI art that relies on making assumptions of why people don't like it.
Blame most of the people who don't like it then, they're almost all the same kind of drone.

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It's perfectly legal under Japanese law to use copyrighted works to train your AI model.

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>>43431073
but it make me mad

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>>43431034
>>43431047
Case in point.

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>>43431073
It's legal for me to spit in the street in front of people, but I don't think it's a very decent thing to do. Ideally you'd have the artists consent whether or not to have their stuff indexed and utilised, I really think it'd be that simple. There'd be a market for artists to create stuff for these models, too.

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>>43431098
>Ideally you'd have the artists consent whether or not to have their stuff indexed and utilised, I really think it'd be that simple.
This.

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>>43431098
WHO GAVE YOU A PERMISSION TO READ MY POST AND REPLY TO IT??

FUCKING DIE YOU SCUM

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>>43423466
who the fuck even uses pixiv as data source and not danbooru/gelbooru, rumao
and its not like you can't just autotag their images

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>>43431093
>Pointing out why and how the biggest groups of people complaining about AI art are egomaniacal idiots is being petty and vindictive
You're either a troll, a shill, or a genuine retard. In any case, you're not getting another (You) from me.

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>>43431121
Do you want to make a point, anonymous?

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>>43431138
That's fine, you've already proven my point perfectly.

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even the big pompous artists started to let their guard down, using their twitter as a higher-res portfolio which is dead simple to scrape

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What is so unbelievable or unacceptable about artists not wanting their work copied? Forget about commission money and fear of replacement and all that, is this seriously not an acceptable idea for it's own sake?

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>>43431195
It's hypocrisy really. These mfers copy each other's styles, they have no right to cry about a computer doing the same.

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>>43431195

[Anonymous No.]

learn to prompt

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>>43431121
This is actually really apt, bravo.
>>43431157
He made a very good analogous point:
See art, train on art, post new art
See post, read post, make new post.

This existence we have recently entered terrifies artists because they've put a lot of work into their art. But future generations will just wonder what the hell they were doing getting mad at everyone being able to create any kind of art they want -- easily. Using AI.

>>43431170
We didn't. You talked about poisoning the well and it's the people against AI art that do this the most, it's nearly impossible not to assume they're all the same when they are almost entirely all the same. What are your arguments against it anyway?

>>43431195
If you read above maybe you'll understand a bit more about the arguably immoral opinion of hoarding your art style. It's like a kid not sharing one of his toys when he has a cloner device that could clone it. Try to imagine how art will be viewed in the future when it's truly infinitely accessible to anyone. Hoarding it to yourself will be dick move, right?

This isn't to say I don't understand their feelings, but I also understand the feelings of the Vatican being against the printing press. Doesn't make them right though.

>>43431214
In a way yeah, since most of it is just anime art when none of them invented anime. AI art aping an artist's style isn't stealing the style, it's interpreting it. AKA it's fucking fan art.
>BUT IT COMES OUT REALLY FAST AND GOOD :(((
A good thing!

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>>43431195
>>43431214
Do you not see the difference between mimicking someones style, and using a computer to perfectly copy someones style to make money off of it?

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>>43431195
Because this has been happening for months now, there was no mass hysteria, people didn't REEEE at the top of their lungs.

This only became a DAI PINCHI after some cunt showed off the amount of money he was making off of AI art. The number wasn't even real, but COINCIDENTALLY just after it popped, artists threw a mass fit. Coincidentally.

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>>43431230
Can't beat real art yet

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Being an artist is not a real job.

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>>43431231
>being able to create any kind of art they want -- easily.
I think you have to consider the human element behind art. Art created to channel human emotions and encompass the social or cultural context of the creator. That's absent with AI art. I don't think that's inherently a good or bad thing, but I think willing an absolute future where no human creates art is sad, ideally both somehow exist and human artists become like respected artisans.

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>>43431233
The result is the same. There is no difference.

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>>43431233
>perfectly copy
But it's new images.
You can't copyright shit you didn't even make, unless it's reuse of a character you own.

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>>43431233
Yes, the difference is that it's faster, that means that people who don't have the luxury of mooching off their friends and family while they put in painstaking amounts of time to imitate a style can get similar, if somewhat inferior results. Accessibility is not a bad thing.

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>>43431250
There's a human element behind AI art. It's not absent, you're just seeing hastily made work or you're forgetting that AI is .. trained on human work that contains all the human elements. The AI element is also very interesting too if you drop the bias against it. Very interesting.
In any case people will be creating art. AI is just another tool for it.

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>>43431250
Please tell me more about how these 2d women provide deep and insightful commentary on the society we live in.

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>>43430936
I did say it was for cases where I'm feeling exceedingly lazy, didn't I? I think I did.

Redrawing is easier than fiddling with controlnet anyway.

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>>43431195
This is literally an AI shill thread going at x10 times the speed of the board since it was probably linked to another thread elsewhere or to a AI shill discord. No one here has the interests of artists, Otaku culture, pixiv or anything in their mind. They just want to shill their shiny new tech and feel superior to others with regurgitated sophistry while also sprinkling a bit of "artists are evil egomaniacs that want to stop progress and deserve everything bad that happens to them" strawman. Basically imagine the most retarded /pol/ election tourists talking about politics but it's AI vs Anti AI instead

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>>43431244
>yet
Key word. It's real fucking close though

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>>43431287
OK, but how about addressing some of the points raised herein?

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In the end the only jobs that will remain will be simultaneously too difficult to automate, but will also involve no creativity.

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>>43431231
>We didn't.
You're literally doing it in this very sentence.
>What are your arguments against it anyway?
Like so. I'm not making an argument against AI art, I'm complaining about the ways people in favor of AI art make their arguments.

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>>43431272
Another great point haha, we're talking about fucking Pixiv here. It's almost entirely cute girls and if you ask me AI improved the ratio of quality cuties to low skill scribbles.

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reproduction prohibited.

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>>43431269
>trained on human work that contains all the human elements
Transplanted and ultimately changed and I think that is where the dividing line is for people, but as you say it probably does depend on how well or bluntly made it is. I imagine having your own work identifiably transplanted in this way is quite disturbing. To be clear, I fucking love AI art, I just dislike the weird crusade against artists (not an artist). I definitely agree about it being a new tool to ultimately create original art with though, I can see it getting there eventually. I think that's how most of this AI will mature, as a tool experts can tweak and utilise.
>>43431272
I was talking about art in general. I love 2d pregnant anime women.

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>>43431287
>straight up sperging out

>>43431311
You're right, but before that post we didn't.

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>>43431314
heh

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>>43431312
Every artist starts at low skill scribbles, look at the posting history of anyone who has been drawing for years, you can see the evolution month after month.

Finding your style is a journey.

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>>43431320
Personally, I don't think its so much a "crusade against artists" as much as backlash to certain artists throwing hissyfits and doing dumb shit like this whole Pixiv thing, and then their most rabid followers harassing people who use AI for art. (They're real, I've had the displeasure of dealing with them.)

>I was talking about art in general.
A fair point, but I think we both know that's not what the vast majority of AI Art Prompters care to make. Pregnant 2D women are kino, however.

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>>43431214
It's not uncommon for artists to cry about other artists copying their style, especially when it's to the degree of mimicry that an AI produces. And you're acting like "these mfers" are some kind of collective organization, which is just a completely ridiculous notion.

>>43431240
I'm not talking about this particular incident. And I don't think you know what a coincidence is, because that sounds like plain cause and effect.

>>43431287
I have no reason to think that, but that's not really relevant. Regardless of if you're in favor of AI or not, an artist not wanting their work copied seems like such a basic common sense thing. Is it not anymore?

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>>43431034
>People had the exact same sort of reaction to digital art as they're having to AI art
That never happened, you revisionist AI fuck. Artists were already using digitizers in the 80s and possibly even earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

reproduction prohibited.

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>>43431214
>Copying someone's art style takes dedication, admiration, and hundreds of hours of work
>Telling the computer to prompt me 10000 images of X artist takes...a few clicks and having a graphics card
Then that faggot takes that art and sells it for a quick buck, diminishing the value of the art of that artist, or alternatively uses it to harass artists on twitter and on 4chan. Gee I wonder what's the difference? Why would he even be upset?

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>>43431320
>Transplanted and ultimately changed and I think that is where the dividing line is for people
I get that but the vast majority of art that's interesting enough for people to train AI models on is coming from:
- Artists who are already fan artists who transplant and ultimately change the source art, which is often disturbing to the original authors. Nintendo being against pornography is a great example.
- Styles that artists love to make fan art for IE Ghibli, Nintendo games, famous Anime, etc
So what's the immoral thing going on? Aren't these people being very hypocritical?
The remaining artists you might see that were trained on might have an argument, living Western artists like ... well I don't know any and we're talking about Pixiv here.

>>43431355
I know. AI art is a journey too if you didn't know. I'm just saying that the ratio of high quality art dramatically increased post-AI.

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>>43431327
You did. >>43431034 assumes I'm projecting, >>43431047 assumes that the people in question are drones.

[Anonymous No.]

If you're pro AI you don't belong here.

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>>43431380
I'm not anti-AI, but I am pro-artist. Can I stay?

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>>43431376
https://twitter.com/AINEP_ILUS/status/1624353984051032064

>>43431368
You were born in the 2000s weren't you lol. People were still calling digital art "not art" less than 10 years ago.

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>>43431233
Yeah it's a dick move but not different than someone doing it manually in principle. Plenty of copycats were making money off other's styles and being harassed daily by fans of the OGs before the AI. AIfags will get the same treatment 10fold and not even make that much money anyway.

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>>43431380
What are you going to do about it? Cancel me?

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>>43431379
It affirms that fact. And at this point I would agree that you have been projecting.

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>>43431404
I am anti-artist. Fuck you all

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>>43431380
Its weird how they have the exact same mannerisms and phrasing no matter which board they post in, especially the strange hostility to offsite artists. Even on slower, smaller boards I visit, they start threads with an antagonistic reactionary posting style in order to farm outrage.

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>>43431378
Honestly, fair argument. I think it comes down to "but it's a computer so it's different" which then spills off into a whole wider argument people are unprepared and unqualified for, mixed in with people feeling that their livelihoods or hobby is threatened. No idea where it ends. I'm sure enjoying all the new art though, hoping it doesn't result in some draconian bullshit.
>>43431356
>Pregnant 2D women are kino, however.
we are two of soul

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>>43431414
How? Based on what?

[Anonymous No.]

reproduction prohibited.

[Anonymous No.]

If you're into creating art for the money then using AI will simply allow you to generate whatever slop art you create quicker and you can still monetize it after that.

If you're creating art for yourself, then you shouldn't care since it's a matter of personal skill, growth and expression.

Simple as.
The problem is that 99% of the "artists" that post online only do it to attention whore so this is an attack on their ego.

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>>43431356
Back when movies made the transition to TV and then videotapes, movie studios argued that since TV broadcasts and the sale/rental of tapes were a new field of copyright not covered by scriptwriter contracts, they effectively did not have to compensate writers on these sales.

We are more or less in the same situation with AI training where the AI training side argues that no permission is required as it falls outside what is traditionally covered by copyright.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the technology itself, only with the belief that good model training demand that society grants an unrestricted use of all past and present artist works.

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>>43431422
The same thing happens when any new art form appears, especially if the tools are easier to use. Even in just the past few decades there was drama regarding 3DCG, photoshop, SFM, and in music auto-tune and other hi-tech stuff. It's insane to see it with AI if you ask me though, since photoshop has been using AI for years lol. And even right now they're incorporating generative AI into the toolset. Artists will calm down eventually.

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>>43431437
This. You can train a model on your own art and churn out shit tons more art, then refine it.
You can use controlnets to get exactly what you are envisioning, in 30 seconds or less.
If you are so threatened by AI art, then you were shit to begin with.

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>>43431443
I'll cede that much. AI Art prompters actually acting as commission artists is stupid, but at the same time I think anyone who actually pays them instead of making the prompts themselves deserves to lose their money.

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>>43431437
>The problem is that 99% of the "artists" that post online only do it to attention whore so this is an attack on their ego.
There's no way you could know that.

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>>43431457
Photography competitions don't allow Photoshop
Drawing competitions should not allow AI

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>>43431214
Drawing "in the style of X" is never going to look exactly like the work of X. Learning to draw (or any other artistic activity) is a personal journey. You can only learn so much from an academic standpoint.

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>>43431478
Congratulations, Anon, on BTFOing everyone by making an argument unrelated to the entire discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

uh oh not like this drawsisters....not like this.... *collapses*

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>>43431269
Only if you consider that commissioning an artist for a piece makes you the artist.

It might take time and effort, but work isn't necessarily art.

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>>43423761
You won't be able to work either. AI is also taking everyone's jobs. Close to nothing now won't be replaced by automation at some point. All those do nothing /g/ faggots got kicked out from their cage jobs lmao

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>>43431498
I wouldn't mind AI art so much if so much of it didn't look so washed-out and shitty. It's always got that sheen to it and it never looks good. And her fucking hand, christ.
Also if it didn't have this fucking drama following it around everywhere, but you know.

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>>43431405
Those were the same boomers that called any commercial art not art, and they still think that. Nobody cares what they think. They're not artists.

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>>43431469
To make good art with AI it's not as simple as writing a prompt.

[Anonymous No.]

It's a moot point and argument. It's advancing so fast you'll be able to generate whatever you want soon enough.
Imagine where it'll be in 2 years, 5 years, 10 years ... 20 years.

This has started and there is no stopping it now.

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>>43431443
There's nothing wrong with training models based on art though. It's the same thing as training yourself based on art, except faster.

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>>43431507
>Close to nothing now won't be replaced by automation at some point.
It's going to be a very, very long time before most blue collar jobs can be automated. By the time they can be, it'll likely be a consequence of human-level AI, which opens a can of worms that's a whole hell of a lot more important than employment.

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>>43431509
>I wouldn't mind AI art so much if so much of it didn't look so washed-out and shitty
LMAO ok

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>>43431478
Thank you captain obvious.

>>43431505
That's a really nonsensical argument. Learn to prompt(seriously though).

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>>43431538
yeah, that particular sheen/glossy coat.
have fun with it, if you can.

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>>43431538
Yeah, exactly like that.

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>>43431529
>It's the same thing as training yourself
Except it isn't.
Chess competitions are not done with a computer even if the computer will win against the literal human world champion 100% of the time.
The amount of data humans can process is just way inferior to what a computer can do. Chess had the same dilemma 30 years ago when Blue Deep beat Kasparov but at the time just IBM had a supercomputer. Nowadays everyone has one and all the edgy kids are going around harassing artists on twitter with AI for a quick laugh

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>>43431513
You're talking about the tech itself here, but the model need to be trained on data.

The same way you can't legally sell prints of someone else's artwork, I'm hoping, you won't be able to legally use artworks for AI training without permission.

Every artist that abandons drawing or painting today because they can't afford the time to draw anymore, is this much less potential content to train future AIs with.

It's going to have to be a balancing process to keep man-made art coming in the future. You can't train AIs solely on the work of a handful of masters.

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>>43431549
>>43431568
>yeah, that particular sheen/glossy co- ACK!!!

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>>43431529
How to tell that you've never practiced an artistic activity without saying that you've never practiced an artistic activity.

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>>43431590
can you not see what's wrong with that image?

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>>43431513
Apparently they are already finding a way to decode and record dreams using MRI scans + training data.... I'm pro-AI but even that scares me.

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>>43431590
looks like it had a shitty filter slapped on it

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>>43431538

[Anonymous No.]

90% of anons are destined for a career in horse-size pussy cameltoe on vtai

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>>43431579
>Except it isn't.
It is. In either case you're making a style of art you wanted to make. Keep in mind we're only talking about literal style "theft" here, the argument against opting out of big models is just ridiculous.
Bringing up chess makes 0 sense, chess isn't a game of tools like art is.
>Nowadays everyone has one and all the edgy kids are going around harassing artists on twitter with AI for a quick laugh
Come on, it goes both ways and angry artists outnumber AI artists 100-1. I've gotten lots of hate mail from them but I don't send any to them even though it's warranted(most of them post gay smut or furshit).

>>43431598
Not an argument. Read above. It's just a better tool to get what you want done.

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>>43431607
lmao this is pretty much what's happening on this thread. I could post a picture by a human artist, say it was AI generated and the anti-AI contrarians would still say "ackchually, it looks too glossy and the hands are uuuuh wrong!"

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>>43431622
hey, ai had to learn those mistakes from somewhere. as long as humans make mistakes ai will never be flawless.

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>>43431590
Ack nothing, even that's still got it a little. Though it's barely noticeable compared to how completely fucked the rest of it is, so I'll give you that.

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>>43431586
>he same way you can't legally sell prints of someone else's artwork
Because they made that piece, you're plagiarizing them saying you made it. You can't copyright your style and we would be living in hell if you could. So god damn you for suggesting we can copyright styles.
>Every artist that abandons drawing or painting today because they can't afford the time to draw anymore, is this much less potential content to train future AIs with.
We already have AIs that can create art so you don't need more humans for training data, the AI can make it on its own.

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>>43431622
Are you seriously trying to say that AI art doesn't often fuck up hands?

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>>43431586

And you're making an argument out of stuff we know in present time.

In the future an AI might be able to extrapolate a style out of smaller and smaller pools of information (with some adjustment on your end).

Etc...

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>Everything is soulless now
Man, what's even good anymore

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>>43431645
>In the future an AI might be able to extrapolate a style out of smaller and smaller pools of information (with some adjustment on your end).
You can already do that.

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Imagine for a moment that 90% of posters in 4chan were replaced by gpt4. The posts would still make some sense but you would be able to tell something is wrong. Would you keep browsing 4chan? Probably not. Now you understand why people who actually care about art dislike AI shit, especially when it's spammed everywhere.

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>>43431678
>Would you keep browsing 4chan? Probably not.
>he thinks he can leave

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>>43431678
it'll be weird that long after i'm dead a bot will be echoing my words into an empty board with other ai posting back
a curious memorial

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>>43428835
Kill yourself.

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>>43431639
To be fair to the AI, I also fuck up hands

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>>43431678
As an AI language model, I don't have personal preferences or emotions like humans do. However, I understand that some people may be skeptical or even critical of AI-generated art and content. AI-generated content can lack the human touch and creativity that many people value in art, and some may feel that it takes away from the authenticity and originality of the work.

That being said, AI-generated art and content can also offer new and innovative ways to create and explore artistic expression. Like any new technology, AI-generated art is still in its early stages, and it remains to be seen how it will evolve and be used in the future.

Ultimately, whether or not someone likes AI-generated art is a matter of personal taste and preference, and there is no right or wrong answer. It's important for artists and creators to continue to explore new and innovative ways to use technology to create and share their work, while also acknowledging and respecting the value of traditional art forms.

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>>43431678
>Would you keep browsing 4chan?
as long the bots like lolis, sure.

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>my job is being automated away
>artists jobs are being automated away
WE ARE

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>>43431706
The powers that be will never allow something that based

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>>43431678
>90% of posters in 4chan were replaced by gpt4
More than half of people who post on 4chan are in fact bots. You can clearly see this in shittier boards like /v/ and /vg/. Soon nothing will be human.

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>>43431538
— The ears.
— Hair shadows on the face and neck doesn't match the hair.
— Hair on the left side of the bang doesn't match the right side.
— Right eye is facing front while the left eye is from the side.
— Ponytail "drill" doesn't know which way it wants to coil.
— Eyebrows can't decide if they are over, under or seen through the hair.
— It can't decide what's hair strand and what's the base of the neck on the right
— More hair problems where it reaches the armpit on the left.
— Plexus multiple light sources while the rest uses a single light source.

I'm sure there is more. It's funny because it's almost always errors that don't really register if you don't look too closely, but makes it really evident how much those neural networks really just build very elaborate "collages" of features with no real understanding of what it represents.

The blind painter.

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>>43431607
What is a screencap supposed to even mean nowadays? You make a claim that AI can perfectly mimic handdrawn art, but somehow a 4chan screencap is authentic definitive proof and can't be samefagged a dozen times just to get a point across?

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>>43431716
Are YOU human, anon? Talk to me. I need to make sure I'm not speaking tou souless robots here, so go ahead and tell me something soulful.

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>>43431716
Yeah, it's honestly weird to see the random stray post straight out of chatgpt. The internet is going to get even worse than it already is. Man, fuck AI in general.

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>>43431678
>Now you understand why people who actually care about art dislike AI shit,
No I don't. I like talking to people(kind of) and I also like anime girls with big boobs. AI makes big boobs better than the vast majority of artists. And the ones that can compare to AI-sama have been trained on so I can emulate their boobs too.

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>>43431727
I think it's a great point, anon. Good job!

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>>43431726
It prove artists are retards.
Instead of adding this tool to their workflows to create better art more quickly, they bitch and moan and "boycott".

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>>43431717
find the faults

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>>43431727
I really really like sucking cocks, especially those who are related to me. The taste of molten lava semen on my face is amazing after giving a blowjob on my brother husband. Convincing enough?

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>>43431740
tits too big. would not bang

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>>43431632

I'm not suggesting copyrighting styles. But I don't see the issue if artists wanting to opt out of AI training data, it's their artwork after all, and it counts as a form of use.

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>>43431736
if you already got a system worked out, why go back and put on the training wheels?

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>>43431736
You don't understand why artists draw. Many said that if they were forced to use AI they would quit their jobs since there's no joy in it, and I agree. If you have no passion for it get a job that actually pays well. AI has no place in art that is made for the sake of it.

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>>43431736
One thing is using it as a tool
Another thing is some random fuck taking your name and your art and starting selling cheap, low quality art with your name on it. It was made with your art without permission and you see not a single dime off of it.

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>>43431747
As if they even could. I can train a model on someones art style on my home PC in less than an hour.

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>>43431754
Artists are always going to be poor. This changes nothing.

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>>43431756
I can mint NFTs of someone else's artwork and put them for sale in literally seconds, what was your point?

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>>43431699
Not like >>43431498, I hope.

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>>43431773
The point is you can't stop it. If you have 20 or more images of your artwork online, your style is now public domain.
So you can complain, or embrace it.

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>>43431765
Weren't they supposed to be privileged and living in luxury from all the patreon bucks and charging thousands for their art?

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>>43431782
Or stop your art.

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>>43428893
>are some extremely high-quality ai "artists" already who put way more effort into polishing their art than most of the artist
Being a good artist can take you years of hard practice, AI """artist""" have learned prompts in just a few weeks or less its a substantially inferior skillset trying to honestly compare them is laughable.

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>>43431747
>I'm not suggesting copyrighting styles.
Yes you are. You're suggesting artists have rights over their styles, IE a copyright. That's TERRIBLE news for art.
>But I don't see the issue if artists wanting to opt out of AI training data,
There are so many issues with this. First off it presumes that only large corporations that could handle opt out systems are training models, when in fact basically no models are trained by large corporations. That said, there are large corporations doing this. But it does nothing to solve the problem artists have in the long run because it gets easier and easier to train models, anyone can do it now. And everyone basically is. You cannot possibly enforce this wave, have you seen civitai? That's only a fraction of models produced and it will still get easier and easier to do.

Artists just have to acknowledge that the world of art has changed. It's far more accessible now and unless you're evil -- that's a good thing.

>>43431754
>Another thing is some random fuck taking your name and your art and starting selling cheap, low quality art with your name on it
Post some examples of this happening.
And then stop ignoring that photobashing has existed for decades, you hypocritical idiot using a strawman argument.

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>>43431785
No. That's the exception, not the norm.

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>>43431754
this already happened with the industrial revolution.

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>>43431788
>Or cry*
Your solution solves nothing, it's just creating a problem for you and your fans. Someone already downloaded all your work.

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>>43431799
>you and your fans
lol
Who said anything about solving the problem? Like you said, there's no stopping it.

>Someone already downloaded all your work.
Maybe, maybe not.

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>>43431736
How is it proof? Prove the screencap is made by actual genuine anons and not somebody samefagging a dozen times. If drawings can be automated, so can 4chan posts. Therein lies the flaw to your argument.

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>>43431793
>Post some examples of this happening.
Pottsness comes to mind

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>>43431793

Copyright typically recognizes this by making an artist the sole proprietor of their work for a limited amount of time (all art eventually becomes public domain)

I don't think it's too much to ask that you wait patiently at LEAST until an artist die before you start plundering their portfolio.

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>>43431799
Your PAST work, yes.

Plagiarism is always a step behind.

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>>43431809
Not him but I was in that thread and it was real lol. I've seen a lot of exchanges like that too, people critiquing real human art or even photographs thinking it was AI.

>>43431821
Go on...

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>>43431836
So what you're saying is that we should build robots to murder artists so that we can ethically automate their art. I like the way you think, Anon.

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>>43431852
So your only proof is saying you saw that it happened? You have no evidence towards its authenticity. You cannot disprove the notion beyond a doubt that somebody could have artificually manufactured that outraged, perhaps to prove a point. I could make the claim that I witnessed Godzilla outside my door, but nobody would take that claim as evidence.

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>>43431893
Can you prove beyond any possible doubt that all the art that you've ever seen wasn't manufactured by an AI, Anon?

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>>43431836
I don't know what to say if you don't understand how terrible it would be if only one person could use their styles.
I've already explained why this is intensely hypocritical too.

>>43431893
I was laughing at and baiting the guy alongside the Midjourney anon. It was really funny.

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>>43431920
Irrelevant. The initial argument arose from presenting >>43431607 as fact. I made the claim that it isn't. Bringing in additional scenarios does not disprove my claim or support his evidence.
>>43431925
Reread my post again. Just because you make an anecdotal claim does not equate it to truth.

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>>43431961
O.K.

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All AI art on Pixiv is tagged. No one is being forced to look at it against their will. If you think your legal rights are being infringed, file a DMCA or take it to the courts. Quit bitching. Knowing your rights means also knowing what rights you don't have.

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Pro-AI or Anti-AI, can we just agree that deleting stuff from Pixiv while still advertising your services on Twitter isn't going to magically prevent people from downloading your images and using them to train AIs

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>>43431852
>Go on...

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>>43432036
Do you see anything being sold?

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>>43432036
That's a Lora, and from the looks of it, one that can be downloaded freely. Do you have any examples of someone actually selling generated work from that?

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>>43432036
Oh that was it? No drama? This doesn't fit as an example at all.
>he wasn't taking his name
>he isn't selling the model
>it's not producing cheap low quality art, or any more than the art it's trained on
I thought you actually had a story for me lol.

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>>43431752
Then they don't understand AI, or how it can help them.
This is from a random rough sketch I did. I used AI to colour it in from a LoRA trained on my style, which I stole from copying Jim Lee, and fill out the details. It took 30 seconds. I can generate hundreds of variations, in all sorts of poses. All I need to do now is pick one I like and touch up the eyes and hands in gimp.
An artist can use this to very very quickly hash out designs, then either touch up the output or use it as inspiration for a creation from scratch.
Artists are just retards.

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>>43432022
It's about leaving a message, and make it less convenient for scrapping bots. Thieving scum will be thieving scum even if it becomes illegal, so it's not about that.

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>>43431752
>You don't understand why artists draw
The ones constantly throwing a tantrum and having a meltdown like this, draw for attention and you know it.

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>>43432346
It's about whoring for attention since they are losing relevancy with their shitty art. Now, only the truly exceptional people can make a living off it and it's pissing them off

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>>43432346
What message, that the people who want to look at their work can go fuck themselves?
Why the fuck should I scroll through dozens of photos of ramen and yakiniku and shit just to see one art from them that I might not even like, this is fucking ridiculous

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>>43432151
>I can generate hundreds of variations, in all sorts of poses
You don't need AI to come up with simple generic pinup poses like the ones in your picture.
>An artist can use this to very very quickly hash out designs
Any good designer will prefer to come up with designs himself instead of relying on a random number generator.
>inspiration for a creation from scratch
This is the only valid point, but there is already enough inspiration material out there (pic rel) so you don't really need AI.

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>>43423509
Doesn't really sound plausible, you can see AI shit on DLsite sometimes and it gets like 6 purchases total in a week or month, basically-nobody actually wants to validate that as being money-worthy.

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>>43432383
It's a message for pixiv and it's a chance for competitors to pop up, retard

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>>43432401
Yeah, send a message to pixiv at the expense of the fans they might lose from their shenanigan
Guess what fucko, "less convenient for scrapping bots" means "less convenient for everyone else"

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>>43432388
>excuses
Either you use it or you lose. It's as simple as that. AI will far outpace you. Embrace it. I did. And I have no interest in selling my art, because lets be honest, this is really what it's about. A bunch of so called artists lost their furry porn patreon commissions and now they are butt hurt they have to eat ramen again.

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>>43432401
Unfortunately artists stupidly decided Twitter is the new core repository the first time there was some rebellion against Pixiv years back. These days I see them tossing around Misskey a bit but I don't think that'll really get traction, or at least I remember Pawoo didn't (although Pawoo was part of Pixiv too) so whatever.

In any case the core thing people freaked out about was the idea an AI can just lift images off a Pixiv and copy the art style - but that had been happening for a while anyway, and literally will fucking happen with ANY fucking website hosting public galleries. Hell it could even happen with someone's twitter if someone just manually checked through the images to clean up rips from those artists that constantly post meal glamor shots in between the art. I dunno why nips think Pixiv can do much about it or that it's specifically their fault, Pixiv isn't fucking Fort Knox, it's like an open public park.

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>>43432412
>A bunch of so called artists lost their furry porn patreon commissions and now they are butt hurt they have to eat ramen again.
You don't sound like an artist if that's what you think the issue is. Get lost.

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>>43432463
I draw for myself. I am clearly one of the only few who do.

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>>43432398
Well I checked dlsite and it turns out you're wrong
https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ01049732.html

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>>43432497
damn that guy made bank

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>>43432552
There's others doing the same too, on patreon as well. I'm not sure about fanbox because it doesn't show numbers but I assume it'd be similar.

To say AI doesn't make money is just a lack of research because at least right now it clearly is

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>>43427900
god why are there are so many fucking bots on this stupid fucking website

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>>43423466
>AI-slop is the future
And you though 3DCG is the worst thing that could happen to anime.

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>>43431287
it was crosslinked from /sdg/ yes

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>>43432412
>A bunch of so called artists lost their furry porn patreon commissions and now they are butt hurt they have to eat ramen again.
Is that the fictional scenario that happened in your head?

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>>43433378
I don't think he meant it literally

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>>43433385
What do you mean you didn't mean it literally? is this what you do once you're confronted with the idiocy of your statements? you pedal back and try to disconnect yourself from the uncomfortable situation you drove yourself into?

You're pathetic

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>>43433398
>You're path-
*Smacks your ass*
Now what, nerd? Gonna insult me again, huh?

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>>43433409
* cue dbz teleport sound *
* appears behind you *
* camera closes in on my angry face *
* snaps your neck at supersonic speed *
* camera follows your slowly spinning and falling body to the ground *
Next time think twice about who you're messing with... kid...

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>>43433331
AI will turn 3DCG into high quality animation you tard.

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uh oh not like this drawisters!

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>>43433652
don't know whose art you're stealing but it looks no different from all the other ai slop I've seen.

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>>43423466
>>>/g/93286599
fucking raiding idiots

[Anonymous No.]

I think Japanese artists are just petty.
You essentially lose control over it once it goes online so why bother posting it in the first place?

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>>43433954
I was wondering where all the posts and retards came from with dozens of posts happening in minutes.

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>>43434853
Japs in general are petty

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>>43437103
Arrogant and pretentious

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>>43433796
>le aom sheen
You haven't seen much AI art then lol. And that's a new art style created by AI.

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>>43423466
Bumping

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>>43423466
Now where can i download this ai that can imitate artists?

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>>43438288
This post confuses me, the thread's long past bump limit, but the assumption that you're presumably using 4chanx if not stole that filename from somewhere else shows you're at least not totally new to this website. What board exists on here that has a bumplimit any higher than 310? I vaguely remember 350 at some point in time but you're in the 370's.

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>>43423466
It still can't do energy drain stuff correctly. My fetish artists are safe.

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>>43438303
It's called LoRA.

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make New

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Just went through first few pages of my bookmarks and found only a single privated bookmark so i'm gonna assume this is a nothingburger

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>>43432453
>Hell it could even happen with someone's twitter if someone just manually checked through the images to clean up rips from those artists that constantly post meal glamor shots in between the art.
this isn't even necessary, or won't be as soon as someone bothers to make a quick AI helper specialized in separating the food pics blog crap from anime art. This is precisely the sort of thing AIs are trained on, the tasks they're meant to replace.