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[Anonymous No.]

Hey /jp/

How long did it take you to beat your first Touhou? I'm new to the whole danmaku genre, and figured I'd start with IN since it's supposed to be the easiest Touhou, but it's kicking my ass. I've been trying to 1cc normal for about 2 weeks now, and I've hit a wall at stage 5. I can usually get through the first 4 stages with only 1 death, but this fucking bunny wrecks my shit every time.

Should I just give up, or is it normal to take this long for someone who's not used to bullet hells?

[Anonymous No.]

Took me 3 days to beat EoSD on Easy.

[Anonymous No.]

It took me a year to 1CC my first Touhou- IN.
But then again, I mostly played on and off, sometimes not even playing for weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

Take it easy and keep practicing.

[Anonymous No.]

PCB normal is the easiest, start with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288306

easy modo??
yeah, you know the rest

[Anonymous No.]

I do not play Touhou, because I am not a faggot

[IN elite !EiENTeirl2 No.]

Practice hours at a time, watch your replays plus other peoples, and start with PCB.
Two weeks max if you stay at it.

[Anonymous No.]

Imperishable Night, Easy Mode, Netherworld Team, about a week.

By Netherworld Team I mean Yuyuko, her buttflies cover almost the entire screen at max power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288338
>I do not play Touhou, because I am a faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288319
Bullshit. MF and IN are much easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288348
What? No.
Border team for homing, killing things with Yuyuko takes twice as long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288348
>Easy Mode
>about a week
>IN
Good god, you suck

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288352
On easy, maybe. Not on normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288282
Please stop constantly spamming and harassing www.ａｎｏｎ ｔａｌｋ.com. Thank you.

[OP No.]

>>4288348
When I first started, I tried all the teams, and I did best with Scarlet, so that's who I've been playing with.

[IN elite !EiENTeirl2 No.]

>>4288352
Play MoF without bombing, it is a little uneven on that front.

[Anonymous No.]

I still haven't finished EoSD.

Though I stopped practicing 12 hours a day on lunatic.

Refuse to play any other touhous until I beat it.

[Anonymous No.]

So it is actually possible to get better at GRAZEGRAZEGRAZEOMGINSANEBULLETDODGAN with time? From /jp/ I get the impression it might take a year beating your first Touhou game on Normal but after that any next one is trivial, just takes a bit of memorization and adapting to new spellcards?

My introductory game is - brace for fail - SA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288401
>First Touhou
>SA

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288354
>Border team for homing, killing things with Yuyuko takes twice as long.

I haven't been able to do with Reimu what I do with Yuyuko - stand almost still at the low edge center of the screen and just watch everything die, only taking babysteps to dodge whatever few bullets come my way. It's shit for scoring, but people who have played these games for less than a year don't play for score, they play for survival.

[Anonymous No.]

It took me a few months. I managed to 1cc Lunatic in a couple games within a year, but it gets really hectic after that.

Normal shouldn't be a problem though. Your first Normal clear will probably be MUCH harder than the subsequent ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288415
Well I figure if I 1cc that on Normal, all the other ones will be a cakewalk.

[IN elite !EiENTeirl2 No.]

>>4288401
Concentrated practice and time.
Some people do plateau after 1cc normal from what I here.
>My introductory game is - brace for fail - SA.
I actually like SA a lot.
This happens to me a lot. Whenever I play a game that isn't touhou for any stretch of time and then play touhou I suck really badly for a while.
Does this happen to you guys?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288401
Just don't take long fucking breaks. It never hurt to quit early for the day and sleep over it.

>>4288411
As soon as you're comfortable with whatever difficulty you're surviving on then gradually add new elements of risk for score.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288444
Not as such, but playing one Touhou too much makes me suck at all the others until I readapt a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

It took me about 1 month to 1cc IN easy, and 2 months to 1cc IN normal. I haven't done it twice yet, only once. 1cc'ing easy is downright trivial now. My playtime was almost exactly 24 hours until my normal 1cc.

I watched a touhou tutorial for IN on youtube. It shows lots of good bombing points. I had a hard time getting past one or two levels on easy when I got started.

How long do you play each day? For my 1cc on normal, I spent an hour a day during the week, and then 6-8 on a saturday, and then about 3 hours on sunday finishing with my 1cc. You have to get in the zone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288482
Well IN is the easiest so yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288429
The other games can require different things of you. For example PCB is just packed with bullets that don't move in a straight line. EoSD has a lot of random spammy spellcards + no hitbox (which can trip up people new to shmups). IN is like slow bullets occupying every millimeter of space on the screen. IN is still easy to beat, but the point is they can feel unusually hard if you're not good at certain things.

[Anonymous No.]

Not >>4288510, but as an example, I'm more comfortable with IN, but I just played 3 practice rounds of SA level #1. I haven't made it through without dying yet. I'll keep going until I can go through level #1 without dying twice, then play a game. And so on and so on.

God damn this shit is addictive.

[Anonymous No.]

I beated you're Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288625

it's your

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288641
hahaohwow.png

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288346
Where do you all find replays that aren't all about max scoring, but have some survival element? All of the high score replays are useless to me, they're much too advanced and focused on scoring.

Some of us just don't have the time to play 12 hours a day, every day (weekends are fine, though). I also suck so much I need some help/advice sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288641
>its

survivalfag here. holy shit I finally beated lunatic

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288679
> ITS

Are you serious nigger?

[Anonymous No.]

Top tier:
Netherworld team

Mid tier:
Border team
Scarlet team

Shit tier:
Magic team

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288672
Search through royalflare, make requests in forums, make requests here.

And why the rush? Plenty of decent players are getting along just fine playing around 90 minutes on average each day. Perseverance is key.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288672
Youtube, plenty of people upload their shitty normal mode survival runs, and also there are lots of good players who upload no death/no bomb runs of stages. Usually it's on Lunatic mode, but that's still instructional even if you play on something lower.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288711
So true. Border team is kinda overrated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288711
Hell yes ghost team is the best fuck all haters. By the way, it's not Magic Team that sucks, it's Alice. Try solo Marisa, she's amazing.

[IN elite !EiENTeirl2 No.]

>>4288672
>Where do you all find replays that aren't all about max scoring
Some on www.gensokyo.org aren't like that and anons here will give 'em out.
>Some of us just don't have the time to play 12 hours a day, every day (weekends are fine, though). I also suck so much I need some help/advice sometimes.
Let me put it this way, 40 minutes a day is less effective than 2 hours every three days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288734

I think neither are good
2 or 1 and a half hour a day would be the minimum

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288711
>Scarlet team
>Not top tier

[IN elite !EiENTeirl2 No.]

>>4288761
This.
top
hot topic duo

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288727
When I play solo Marisa, since Alice comes along but only talks and doesn't fight, I like to pretend that I'm Cho-Marisa and Alice tagged along because she's in love with me but she's too puny and weak to fight in the manly danmaku battles.

[Anonymous No.]

What really helped me improve my skills was playing SA. Over and over and over again against this fucking cat. Once I managed to graze my way through stages four and five without dying I 1cc\'d IN on normal on my first try (with three different teams too).

And no, I still haven\'t beaten Utsuho once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288679
>182 bombs
wat

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288761
Scarlet team will never be top tier because Remi's bomb is beyond shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288848
THE FUCKING CAT!

[IN elite !EiENTeirl2 No.]

>>4288848
Also playing StB really really helps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288927
What

How?

[Anonymous No.]

>Practice hours at a time
As someone who did just this, I have to advise against it unless you really must beat the games quickly. You can get pretty burnt out of the games like this. Playing just a bit every day makes it feel a lot more fresh and I find that I always do my best on my first real attempt. And if you need variety, it doesn't hurt to jump between games. You're still getting the basic skills you need that way.

Although I guess you should practice a lot until you have the basic shmup skills down. After that, though, try not to let yourself get sick of the games.

[IN elite !EiENTeirl2 No.]

>>4288954
Raw dodging and spell card problem solving.
>>4288961
Grinding it out is the best way to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288927
>>4288954
>>4288979
Fucking A, StB is hard. It took me about 20 tries to clear the first picture of wriggle. I still haven't gotten a single clear since then. Last time I played was before I could 1cc IN easy trivially, 1cc IN normal with luck, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288708
It's not rush, it's pure frustration sometimes. After trying 50+ times on a single level without beating it, frustration and drinking problems get very real.

Should I feel bad about trying games on easy first? Same with bombs, it just feels like I suck so hard.

[Anonymous No.]

UFO on normal

I think it took me about 3 days to beat it, a month at least to 1cc it.

I turned around and 1cc'd PCB with Sakuya the first day I fired it up. IN took a couple days. I should get around to EoSD but when I got to stage 6 I got my ass beat despite having 3 lives. I immediately went to practice the stage and got through it without dying once.

SA is ridiculous. I've beaten it but the time it would take to memorize and 1cc it is too much for me to care doing.

I tried MoF one day but that stupid crow bitch killed me. I haven't touched it since.

Watching videos help when you have no damn idea how to get through an attack effectively.

It goes without saying that I was playing on normal. There's no way in hell I'd be able to beat UFO on hard as my first.

By the way, best touhou is pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4289144

Don't feel bad. I'm forced to 1cc easymodo in every game because of OCD. I have to beat them all and in sequential order.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4289144
You think play testing his own games is the cause of ZUN's alcoholism?

[Anonymous No.]

PCB, normal 1cc took two months of sporadic play.

Later ones took much less.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288672
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3kov6_lets-play-eosd-stage-one_videogames
Kefit's unfocused lunatic EoSD run with commentary. Also don't be fooled by the sixth video. If you continue you see he actually got past the sixth stage in the video that says ending and credits. He also does the extra unfocused.

Kefit generally goes for stunt runs involving perfect lunatic and extra stages, no bomb lunatic runs, and I think this was his only non-focused lunatic. You can really learn something from them. You can see some replays of his with annotations on his youtube account. His replays have been quite helpful for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4289469
I normal 1cced IN with 7 lives as Reimu team against Kaguya after about 3 months of VERY on and off play but I have yet to be able to duplicate the achievement.

Hell, it took me quite a while to get to the point where I could beat Yuyuko within ALL the alloted continues. Now I can get to where my first continue is AT Yuyuko.

[Anonymous No.]

I started playing before mof was out, but I played on and off, and never really focused on any one of the games, choosing randomly which one to play at any one time, or maybe even playing a game of each per session.

Beat IN at the start of last year, beat mof around mid-2009, beat pcb and eosd around the end of 2009, and beat sa and ufo in the same week last month.

Just take it easy, you'll eventually get there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4289525
Part of it depends on how much you really wanna grind. I just take it easy, usually making one run a month at most Toohooan games. Never easy (Except for UFO. Fucking UFO), always normal. I just have fun even if I don't make the end. Between Touhou Endings wiki and everything else I don't feel like I miss much.

I do shy away from post MoF games though if only to avoid the shitty continue system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4289525

Yu?

[Anonymous No.]

From the data I can get off the properties of my EoSD game and my first 1cc replay I'm guessing around three months for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4288283
I've downloaded some of the games on the recommendation of a friend September of last year. I've played on and off through most of this time.
Here's an embarrassing summary of my clears, ReimuA for all of them:
EoSD : stage 1-5 Easy
PCB: Can't clear.
IN: Easy
MoF: Normal (the whole game to me is just ripping through everyone then bombing the shit out of Kanako)
SA: Easy
UFO: Easy
I don't think you should worry too much about sucking. I'm terrible at most shooters, but hell if I don't enjoy them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4289346
I like when people draw specific spellcards like that. Kogasa's a great ex midboss, I like how each of her attacks has its own little piece of music.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4289549
>bombing the shit out of Kanako)
FUCK HER LAST CARD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4289559
One of the best cards in the series. Savor it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4289559
surprisingly, I found her last card to be easy. in normal mode, at least, although I've heard that it's harder in every other mode including easy.
>>4289542
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>>4289546
yeah, I basically do the same, unless I'm doing extra runs, since, well, if you mess up early each run will only last like 10 mins anyway. still stuck on flans counterclock, koishis bouncing hearts thing and the flashing ufo card though.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4289597
>extra runs
FUCK NO.

I hope one day to pull 1ccs now and then but I'm okay with flaming out at the final boss. Usually I get a good run, I had fun, and then I go play UNL with my bros.