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[リコネル No.]

[Anonymous No.]

I still think Archer would have been the strongest servant, if he didn't get fucked over somehow every time. (Well, not really in UBW, but he didn't really get a chance to fight that many other servants either.)

Only other servant that might stand a chance is Saber with Avalon hax.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201482
I doubt it. His stats suck, the only people who stay still long enough to get hit by his projectiles are Berserker and Caster, and Berserker just shrugs them off.

As for UBW, it's like a small machine gun in its ability to do repeated damage, but it's quickly outclassed against the tactical nuke which is Excalibur, or the 'one hit-one kill' sniper rifle like ability of Gae Bolg.

[Tomoyo Daidouji !/YfUbdxGdE No.]

Archer would be the strongest servant if his master was Shirou.

If I was Ilya-chan's servant, I'd surely bring her to victory. ...We'd share mana every night~ <3

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201528
You ignore things like Hrunting and whatever other effects random weapons would have as BP's.
Hell, BP'd Gae Bolg would probably be all sorts of rape.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201871
Speaking of Archer and Gae Bolg, did anyone else notice how stupid he was during the prologue? Hey Lancer, I know your identity! Feel free to use your Noble Phantasm, I just can't get enough of the pleasure of being stabbed in the heart!

He could've just kept his mouth shut and no one'd be the wiser.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201909
Yes, it was bad when he was stabbed.
Oh wait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201909
I still don't understand how knowing someone's identity = a major handicap. Supposedly it let you know the nature of their Noble Phantasm, but most behaved in a way that made little sense anyway, like Belleraphon Laser or Rule Breaker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201909
Well, it's not like being stabbed in the heart would be enough to kill Archer anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201482
>>4201528
Archer can do most stuff other Heroic spirits can do, being deadly ranged combat and good at close combat. He can even Excalliblast and does stuff like using Gae Bolg.
Archer is basically one step below "the best" in each field except Archery.
Archer still depletes more mana than most servants when he fights as projecting strong NPs both costs mana to be projected and then later to be activated, and even more if activated as a broken phantasm.
Within Unlimited Blade Works he already have projected swords enabling him to do stuff at seemingly cheaper mana costs but UBW itself also seems to be one of the most mana demanding abillities.
Gilgamesh was able to fire high level phantasms at rapid rates at nearly no mana cost at all as Gates of Babylon only functions as a gate, in itself being a mana cost effective NP.
Archer is also able to shoot swords like Gil, but Archer must spend mana on each sword making it a highly mana uneffective move.
Gil also have other stuff besides bladed weaponry such as space ships and chains like Enkidu etc, Archer is able to effectively weild all his weapons, using their abillities and not only shooting them, but yet again at high mana costs.
Sure, having a master with crazy mana capacity/output he would surely be among the top of the top but otherwise he would probably only be among the top.

But then there are Servants Like Berserker who can't take damage from the majority of Archer's(infinite) ammount of weapons, while still being able to defend himself from the rest, while also having unrivaled stats 12 stocks of lives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201930
It lets you know their weaknesses especially.
Like knowing Lancer was Cu Chulainn, Rin could have offered him dog meat as food and it would probably interupt the fight, and break one of his geasa at the same time allowing an easy kill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201935
Each projection only cost the equivalent of five units of prana, no matter what. I also believe it was stated using a BP is relatively cheap in comparison to most activations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201930
It does give you advantages. Learn Lancer's identity and offer him dog meat to fuck over his geasa, learn Medusa's identity and bring mirrors to the fight (or know to get the fuck out when she stabs herself), learn Saber's identity and use her straightforward code of honor to place her at a disadvantageous position etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201935
Excaliblasting is not something he'd rather do.

BP is a cheap attack that deals quite a nice bit of damage at the cost of your NP. Since he has an unlimited number of NPs, it becomes a really convenient ability. Theoretically though anyone else could BP... not sure how good that would be though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201976
Wouldn't be all that cost effective due to the cost of regenerating a NP for a normal servant is huge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201270
If that had been Gilgamesh talking, it might have been true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201991
Maybe if you used two command spells to make him be in a permanent serious mode. Hell, even that probably wouldn't be enough to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201976
BP is a technique achieved by overchargning the weapon with prana/mana, it is an expensive abillity and it sure isn't cheap.

[Anonymous No.]

They made a huge deal about how knowing some servant's identity was srs bsns, but I don't remember a single scene where they actually used that information for anything.

And most of these people don't even HAVE weaknesses. So you know the big guy is Hercules. What are you gonna do about it? He'll stomp you the same whether you are introduced or not.

Now, knowing what special abilities they have would be useful, but that doesn't follow from just knowing their names, their weapons and their deeds. That's useless information. The useful part, which you don't get to know, is what their specific powers do and how.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202013
Hercules had a weakness, just not a very viable one. After all, I'm not quite sure why one would obtain some hydra venom, even in the Nasuverse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202013
Why didn't anybody give Lancer some dog meat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202035
They didn't know who Cu Chulainn was and did not have the internet/PC to look it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202035

Because either the characters, or Nasu, or most likely both, weren't aware of what Cu Chulainn's legend actually was and didn't think to google it.

I would actually respect it if after hyping up the name thing the characters actually researched some clues about the servants' identity and tried different kryptonites on them, but nah, it was just a quickly forgotten plot device to create a little air of mystery about who Saber was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202063

And to be fair, Shirou is such a bleeding heart that he probably wouldn't kill even a dog to win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201930
It could also give you the knowledge of the enemies maximum "damage" output and defence capabillities and such as their efficiency at various ranges.
Even if one would take servants such as Berserker with basically no weaknesses as an example, knowing his identity could still enlighten you that you should run away from him. Berserker(his master) knowing the identites of his enemies could get an idea of which servants that are even theoretically capable of killing him and which who can't, useful in knowing on which enemies one should waste precious mana and command spells.

The fifth war is made out of a bunch of kids though, whatever what was left behind from the elite masters of the fourth war. The masters of the fifth war were all young and inexperienced except Kirei and Zouken, but their goals wasn't in winning the war the ordinary way.

In Fate/Zero such things are made far more relevant and the masters themselves and the role they play in the war is shown to much greater detail when the masters themselves actually show themselves very useful, they died however leaving women and children for the fifth war.

[Anonymous No.]

Reimu is the strongest servant. Discuss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201482 I still think Archer would have been the strongest servant

Overall, Lancer was the strongest Servant. His only weakness was Berserker, but only because he couldn't be killed the same way twice.

[Anonymous No.]

So is the fate/zero stalled or something?
Haven't they beenon volume 3 for quite a while now?
Did the translators lose interest or something?

I liked how the masters actually did stuff in those novels, but considering how it's written by Urobuchi Gen I guess it's to be expected that the quality should be higher.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202189
Parts 3 and 4 of act 11 were translated a couple weeks ago, Volume 3 is almost over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202182
I would still say that Berserker actually was the overall strongest Servant.
In one against one fights he would have been likely to win each and every battle, Gil would be the exception but he isn't even a real participant of the war.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202182
>but only because he couldn't be killed the same way twice.
The way that line was translated was vague and might only mean that "Heracles is so good, the same attack won't work twice."

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202225

No, God Hand basically acted as Doomsday's ability, if only for 12 times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202263
Then how do you explain Caliburn killing him 7 times with one strike?

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>4202649
The power of love.

Seriously, that part was really dumb. Nobody contests that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202663
True, but one could just as equally say that Berserker's God Hand was a device purely to make him seem more awesome, but that was never actually used even as a plot device.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>4202679
But it was. Gilgamesh killed him 12 times before Berserker finally went down.

[Anonymous No.]

The thing with Gay Bulge not being able to kill Berserker was not because of any special "one weapon works only once" ability of his, but because Gay Bulge itself is (relatively) easily avoidable if you know what it does. It wouldn't work on ANYONE twice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202690
But that scene could just as easily have been written as Berzerker being incredibly tough and determined. There wasn't anything about it that really specifically needed "He can only be killed more than once by different things."

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202649
One: Simple slash by Shirou can chop his fucking arms. Even as a replica, while it cannot fire beams, it's an excellent sword.
Two:As long as you bypass the God Hand, you can strike effectively. If we are anal and stupid, we can say that the slash (going upwards) hit 7 different vital spots and Berserker died each time(lost one life in the heart, another at the head etc).
Three: Love power, fate favors the king using the sword of selection etc.

>>4202701
The stick is that you CANNOT avoid causality just by knowing about it. Either have a super shield or not let him use it in the first place(no chance to breeeeeeeeath)

[Anonymous No.]

>Either have a super shield
Are you talking about Rho Aias? Because even Rho Aias wouldn't be able to block Gae Bolga's Death Thorns.

[Anonymous No.]

FINALLY POWERLEVELS THREAD!

RIDER IS THE STRONGEST SERVANT!
IN BED.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202838

How the fuck does she make her tits and ass face the camera at the same time like that

I thought it was medusa's hair that was supposed to be snakes, not her spine

[Anonymous No.]

>>4202838

In your dreams.

See what I did there?

[Anonymous No.]

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>>4202894

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