/tmg/ - Type-Moon General

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A place for discussion of the great works by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON.

>Type-Moon Visual Novel Collection (Japanese)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tyCb9CZR_bh6ZyvK8N1v3HU0GhG6aTZe

>Mahoutsukai no Yoru
Visual Novel:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/177wSYqWfOpH_4AsGzY27sZOs8y84GWa9
English Patch (Partial):
https://mega.nz/folder/dBkXjbaa#e3rJvGTb9PT7TFVwjk-2ww
French Patch:
https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french
Italian Patch:
https://riffourtranslations.wordpress.com/category/mahoutsukai-no-yoru

>Kara no Kyoukai
Kara no Kyoukai Novel (Japanese):
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/奈須きのこ_空の境界/index.html
Kara no Kyoukai Novel (English):
https://nyaa.si/view/1414316
Kara no Kyoukai Animated Films:
https://nyaa.si/view/264295
Kara no Kyoukai Manga:
https://nyaa.si/view/1187963

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime VN Collection:
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/3439039
Shingetsutan Tsukihime Manga:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cC2cl1r46qDxKLQ6SJ2ss2V0JS8ihlpn

>Tsukihime Remake
Tsukihime Remake:
https://pastebin.com/QSz8A5Jf
English Patch (Arcueid Route):
https://tsukihimates.com

>Melty Blood
Melty Blood PC Collection:
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
Melty Blood Manga:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qfSckM1X-oLSl8DPCk9GqOydRRH5UjEq
Melty Blood - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare Manga:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S
Melty Blood - Type Lumina:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1372280/MELTY_BLOOD_TYPE_LUMINA/
Melty Blood - Type Lumina Community Translation Patch:
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/9302-Melty-Blood-Type-Lumina-Community-Translation-Patch

>Fate
Fate/Stay Night [Réalta Nua] Ultimate Edition:
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/3748986
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/9101-Fate-Stay-Night-Realta-Nua-Ultimate-Edition-2022
Fate/Hollow Ataraxia:
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/7705-Fate-Hollow-Ataraxia-Voice-Patch
Fate/Spinoffs:
https://pastebin.com/Vgy14rSK

>Other Type-Moon Works
Angel Voice / Notes:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip/file
Fire Girl:
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com
Mahou Tsukai no Hako: Starlit Marmalade Manga:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/y68oxcrmg8i6k/Sutamamo
Tsuki no Sango:
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx
Tsuki no Sango Manga:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/773842/1
Haru to Tsuki to Sora to:
https://mega.nz/file/xlVwGY4K#170GaRCpftfOJXtBjbF1BYu3cNUaiM6aOJLWEkhLyKs

>Type-Moon Miscellaneous
Encyclopedia of Type-Moon:
https://mega.nz/folder/oM8EhIjQ#IAVmHGdLnalCs0B5mRhzRQ
Type-Moon Comic Ace:
https://web-ace.jp/tmca
TMdict Glossary:
https://www.tmdict.com
Tsuki-kan (comprehensive record of real-world statements, interviews, Q&As, feature articles, etc):
https://www.tsukikan.com
Tsukihime Archives:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NBqMPjBkGiNk9vIgOtPyjNnpxeH5fmHI
Tsukihime Tokuhon:
https://exhentai.org/g/82076/173f6680ef

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Where was it stated that the probability of Arcueid meeting Shiki is approximate to the probability that a microscopic Universe could be born forth from nothing?

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I don't like this OP

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>>41873441
Avalon la Fae is the best thing Nasu has written since FSN.

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>>41873696
Just before Arc gets crushed by the Star of Calvaria.
>無に極小の<宇宙|ひかり>が生まれるほどの<確率|きせき>で遭遇した殺人鬼が、彼女にそれを教えてくれた。

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Could somebody with a grasp on the lore remind me what happened at the end of Hollow Ataraxia? I think there was something about Avenger becoming a real person and Bazett miraculously not getting murdered in the new timeline or something. What happened to Caren?

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>>41873857
Cool. Thanks!

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https://exhentai.org/g/2384860/3570f15c97/

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>>41874025
Haha, butt!

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>>41874040
what was Takeuchi thinking when he made this?

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>>41873704
She's just making sure Shiki-bocchama doesn't get a tummyache from constipation caused by his sphincter being too tight.

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Rin pleases old men for money.

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>>41874010
Avenger doesn't become a real person, he's simply freed from the Greater Grail's influence.
>What happened to Caren?
She's just fine. Besides, she was the one taking care of Bazett during her dream.

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>>41874010
Basically things go back to normal except Bazett is back and Caren is there for a bit. The last scene called sequel is the new timeline for F/HA. The timeline from F/SN and F/HA are different due to the Rin jewel incident separating that timeline to a new one that has Saber the others living in that world.

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>>41874551
Rin's jewel incident is just a gag/red-herring. It doesn't actually cause a new timeline. F/HA simply takes place during a different non-F/SN route (as hinted by Medea's memories of the Grail War)

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>>41873704
Yet no-one has yet to make a new one.

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>>41873857
Nasu really pushes the impossibility of their encounter/fate huh.

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Aoko pleases Cornelius Alba for free.

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>>41874578
I thought it was real due to Rin referring to it during the Clock Tower? She went back to look for a way to fix it or maybe I’m misremembering it. It’d make the whole thing make more sense as a world that had anything that could happen possible there due to the second magic relating to timelines.

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>>41874957
Well, the implication with the jewel incident is that all possible routes merged into one super-route. But as we see from people's memories, that isn't exactly the case. To me the intro of F/HA comes off more as a gag or skit, and not an actual plot point.

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>>41874578
>F/HA simply takes place during a different non-F/SN route (as hinted by Medea's memories of the Grail War)

Wasn't it a plot point that each servant had a completely irreconcilable memory of what happened during the war (when compared to the memories of other servants), therefore cluing you in that the world isn't real?

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>>41874985
I mean it makes it make more sense with the world of F/HA being a mix of different memories and characters from different timeline due to the jewel incident with Caster having memories of the Fate route due to Kuzuki’s death against Gil during her flashback and Shirou having UBW memories due to Saber’s fate being talked about at the end of the grail war.

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type moon is dead

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>>41874987
Medea already knows that the world isn't real though. She's just recounting what happened in the real world.

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>>41875683
Oh also, as an addendum, alongside Medea, Illya hints that she knows that she's dead in the "real" world too, or whatever timeline F/HA takes place in.

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Hello typemoon friends.

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>>41875165
I mean, it's plausible but Medea and Kuzuki's death in F/HA doesn't happen in F/SN. Both her and Kuzuki get GoB'd by Gilgamesh at Ryuudou Temple. Which is *somewhat* similar to what happens in the Fate route, but Kuzuki doesn't get killed by Gilgamesh in the Fate route, and Medea dies in Emiya's backyard, not the temple.

So I don't think every route got merged together, making every single thing true at the same time. F/HA's intro comes off more as a gag in retrospect, because we know that everything is Bazett's dream. That's why I'm saying it's a red herring, it wants you to believe that the odd events in F/HA are due to every timeline merging together from the jewel incident, but in reality, the odd events are just caused by the fact that everyone is stuck Bazett's dream. There is a real world out there with it's own route and own events regarding the HGW, and nothing is inherently tied to F/SN.

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>>41875776
Ah yeah forgot the dream aspect. Well guess it doesn’t matter much then.

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Prisma Illya Raws.
https://imgur.com/a/XkAt3kS

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>>41877277
>it gets even more kino
jesus fuck

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>>41877277
Is this namek arc still fucking going

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Playing Witch on the Holy Night and wow. This game is kind of insane. The production values blow everything else in the VN world to bits. The writing is amazing of course and the OST is awesome. It's depressing that TM doesn't do more VNs.

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>>41875234
2/3 great designs and a bland self insert

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Shiki-kun get~

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>>41878369
Yeah, Aoko is a pretty generic self-insert

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>Rin is the female self-insert in FSN
>Aoko is the female self-insert in Mahoyo
They are who Nasu wants to be, but who she never can be.

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Cute Saber

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>>41878379
>Aoko is a pretty generic self-insert
L O N D O N

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I would self insert into Aoko if you catch my drift.

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Sums up F/SN and Emiya Gohan well.

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>>41878453
Calm down, Souji

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>>41878348
>Kamige
Mahoutsukai no Yoru LN
Kara no Kyoukai LN
DDD LN
Mahoutsukai no Yoru VN

>Chuunige
Tsukihime VN
FSN/FHA/FZ
Tsukihime Remake VN
EXTRA/CCC

>Kusoge
EXTELLA/LINK
EXTRA LAST ENCORE
FGO

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>>41878595
Why can't chunnige be kamige?

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>>41878619
Because it's chuunige.

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>>41878691
Wrong. Also
>Putting FZ in the same sentence as FSN/FHA

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>>41878595
It just so happens that all the kamige are also chuunige.

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>>41878699
explain ikikoi

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>>41878714
Kastel's fault.

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>>41878698
Why is Zero so divisive?

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>>41878699
explain Majikoi

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>>41878595
>kara no kyoukai
TM's only miss. truly dogshit.

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>>41878698
I'm not that anon. Chuunige by definition cannot be kamige because it's immature. That doesn't mean that chuunige is bad, it's just not kamige.

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>>41878733
Actual dogshit.

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>>41878728
I didn't enjoy it that much so I don't think it deserves the same place as FSN and FHA

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>>41878728
Kill yourself surveyfaggot

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>>41878742
Take that back. Please.

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>>41878742
Say you didn't mean it.

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>>41878736
>TM's only miss. truly dogshit.

Filtered.

Kara no Kyoukai literally translates to “Empty Boundaries” referencing the Taoist concept that distinctions between things are all ultimately psychological constructs and therefore nonexistent. The simplest way to explain this would be to ask, “How high is high?” We might look at a balloon soaring away and say it’s “high,” but there isn’t a clear threshold at which point it transitions from being “not high” to being “high.” Our distinction between “not high” and “high” is a relative, psychological one rather than a concrete one, and consequently Taoism holds that there is fundamentally no difference between something that is “high” and something that is “not high.”
This gets much more abstract, of course, with the Taoist philosopher Zhuangzi’s writings containing phrases like “There is nothing in the world bigger than an autumn hair.” If you’re familiar with the relatively famous quotation about a Chinese philosopher dreaming he was a butterfly and then wondering whether he was actually a butterfly dreaming it was a philosopher, that also comes from Zhuangzi. When I say distinctions between things don’t exist, I do mean all distinctions, and not just the arbitrary ones. It amounts to an “everything is one” concept, though it’s not quite as simple as that distillation makes it sound.
Kara no Kyoukai is filled with paradox, with characters who are both alive and dead, shadows so novel they’re boring, outfits that are simultaneously traditional and Eastern and modern and Western. Nasu uses paradox to break down distinctions between things, forming a foundation of Taoist thought that runs underneath everything in the novel and that helps to establish who is “good” and who is “bad.”

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>>41878742
You're opinion is bad

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>Majikoi
>Ikikoi
/vn/ please go

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>>41878742
>>41878756
The characters who adhere strongly to rigid, Confucian societal structures are “bad,” or at least nearsighted, while the seemingly lazy, eccentric, whimsical characters who accept the world as it is and go where their natures take them are “good.”
Confucianism is consistently cast as a very bad thing in Nasu’s work. It roughly corresponds to the concept of materialism, though not so much materialism in the traditional capitalist sense as in the literal sense. In Nasu’s writing, a focus on the physical world and on societal approval is connected with moral and spiritual decay and often obscures the truth. The alternative to this, which usually uses Taoist or Buddhist concepts as something of an objective correlative, is a focus on the mind and on one’s internal world. Pursuing knowledge out of personal curiosity is good; pursuing knowledge for societal approval is bad. Collecting things for a love of the collection is good; collecting things out of a desire for material wealth is bad, and so on.
All of this holds true more-or-less throughout the Nasuverse. Nasu sometimes draws on Buddhist concepts or images in place of Taoist ones, but the concept of paradox holds strong, along with the sense that distinctions between things do not exist, and regardless of whether Buddhism or Taoism is the framing system of thought, Confucianism is thoroughly negative.
Nasu’s core thematic question, though, extends beyond this use of Taoist ideas. Rather, Nasu’s basis in Taoist thought is the framework against which his core internal debate is set.

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>>41878742
Not my problem, seek friends.

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>>41878728
Zero basically takes the concepts that FSN introduced and makes something worthwhile out of them. FSN/FHA are just shitty dating sims with an interesting setting that is never fleshed out or used to its fullest potential.

Two difference audiences. FSN/HA fans tend to be virgin boomers who play a lot of dating sim shit.

Zero fans are just people who like a good story/interesting setting.

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>>41878742

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Seeing how popular Majikoi is here makes it easy to dismiss everyone's opinions about everything else.

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>>41878791
>Two difference audiences. FSN/HA fans tend to be virgin boomers who play a lot of dating sim shit.

Didn't read UBW?

Notice how for every route, the tackled characters are the ones that connect in some way. Like in UBW: Assassin, Archer, and Shirou are fakes, Caster betrayed like Archer was, Kuzuki's view of right and wrong in comparison to Shirou view and Archer's... etc.

Kirei is obvious as the anti-shirou, Saber and Gil are also likewise two different sides of the same coin and in turn shine a further light on Shirous heroic ideals.

Archer (EMIYA) makes for a good foil representing what shirou could become if he fails, and is a wonderfully detestable person when called for.

Shinji's foil of Gilgamesh and the anti-Sakura. Gilgamesh can achieve any of his goals and despises humans. Shinji can never achieve his goals and doesn't hate humans. But both strive for life affirmation from an external source and will never be content. And where Sakura blames herself for the world's problems, Shinji blames the world for his own problems.

Rider's motivations are in parallel with Sakura's (as is every servant with their master should be). She's a monster like Sakura is. She wants to protect Sakura like how Sakura wants to protect Shirou.

Even the side characters like Caster and co have something to them and further add to the elements concerning the main character (nurture vs nature being the big one with Caster and Kuzuki, while Kojiro as minor as he is represents what obsession can do to a person)

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Seeing how popular Alice is here makes it easy to dismiss everyone's opinions about everything else.

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>>41878816
Why the Alice hate? She’s perfect.

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Why the Majikoi hate? It's perfect.

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>>41878816
stop baiting

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>>41878834
Lots of people are conditioned to hate it out of peer pressure, it being too basic or whatever.

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>>41878834
The writer is hated.

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>>41878834
Same reason why a vast majority of people hate Type-Moon. It's an easy target to hate on but everyone secretly loves it.

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>>41878850
I wouldn't call it hate, Takahiro is extremely frustrating though.
And yeah I guess lots of people hated the end of AgK.

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I'm going to be honest, the only VNs I've read are Type-Moon VNs. I have no idea what anybody is talking about.

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>>41878878
>I'm going to be honest, the only VNs I've read are Type-Moon VNs. I have no idea what anybody is talking about.

All you need

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>>41878878
And you haven't even read all the TM VNs.

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>>41878894
True, I'm EOP. Maybe I should read some basic entry-level shit because being a TM fan is suffering.

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Name a more iconic Nasuverse moment

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>>41878937
Oops, forgot pic

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>>41878728
I think Zero is alright, good even, but it gets a bad rap because of how hard it's jerked off by retarded secondaries. See >>41878791
Fucking lmao

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>>41878791
>>41878813
Both of these posts were made by the "surveyanon", for lack of a better term, btw

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>>41878975
okay, how u kno

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What Type Moon character is most likely to be a Holocaust denier?

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>>41878780
>>41878791
The entirety of KnK is about a lot of things, depending on the chapter, because it's a messy story, but the overarching theme is about death and the taijiu (as in the parallels between two things existing in equilibrium and also, being the diagram of the supreme ultimate, Akasha). Tsukihime is about the value of life theme Shiki has going on. F/sn is about Shirou overcome a false origin (swords / blade works).

Fate/Stay Night (outside of the routes, take the whole story as a complete set: introducing Shirou in Fate, exploring his mind in UBW, giving him a conclusion in HF) and Fate/Zero explore similar themes. It's about two boys who wanted to be an ally of justice without realizing that they can't measure all lives equally because it meant to love them all equally and a person doesn't do that. Kiritsugu realized this too late. Shirou realized it sooner. That's the gist of it to me.

FSN had themes - individual justice vs common good, the right to a life despite the consequences, obsession with fixing past mistakes vs accepting the past, guilt vs conviction etc etc. Other major elements include guilt complex, childhood trauma, martyr complex, domestic violence, unwanted pregnancy and abortion, moral relativism, revenge, loss, guilt, finding purpose and family. HF true is foreshadowed the entire Fate route and HF route, with Kotomine and Illya telling you bit by bit about the Third Magic, “Heaven’s Feel.” And finally ending F/SN with "I'll show you the sorcery that people have been talking about all this time."

FZ had themes - one for all leadership vs all for one leadership, morality vs pleasure, chivalry as a moral code vs chivalry as an excuse for slaughter, etc etc

The waifus are there for the ride

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>>41878995
Surveyanon likes to copy-paste lengthy essays other people have written and then dump them into conversations where they barely correspond to the context of said conversation. That's how you know the second post is his. For the first one, you know that it's him because it's highly unlikely a Zerofag would come here. Surveyanon needed an excuse to post that essay there so he invented his own casus belli as it were.

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>>41873441
What the actual genuine fuck did I just read
Seriously what drove someone to write that

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>>41879516
You've just read kino

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>>41878595
>Kusoge
>EXTELLA/LINK
shut up
extella is pure kino

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>>41879559
holy shit this is kino wtf

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>>41879608
Len wtf

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Holy shit I should not have skipped the ero scenes my first time through

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Why is the TM fan base so pessimistic and miserable

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>>41879642

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Anyone know which scene the missing middle gfx is from?

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>>41879669
Her masturbating in the dream H-scene.

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>>41879677
Thanks I thought I already saw that one

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imagine the sex

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>>41878756
It's not bad but it's definitely a tier or two below all his VN. Is this some bot or just a retard speaking in copy-pasta? Almost smells like the gook.

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>Uro: Unlike Fate/Zero, where all the main characters are older, this one has lots of cute heroines! Fate/stay night was originally conceptualized as a bishojo game, so the very individual theme of "romance" was placed at the core. It had to be written from Shirou's point of view. So then I thought, I have this really powerful core idea of all these Eiyuu (heroic spirits) engaged in a Battle Royale, so why not draw their story from multiple point of views? That's why I tried to work more main characters into Fate/Zero other than simply Kiritsugu and Kirei.

>Nasu: I had no other choice but to make Fate/stay night the way I did for that bishojo game format. That was one of the reasons why I once said to Urobuchi, "I don't think I can make bishojo games anymore." The more you pour both what the author wants to draw and romance elements that will excite the users into a work, the more distant they get from each other... that was my dilemma. I think Fate/stay night does lack that "battle royale" atmosphere, but I really wanted to make it a work that would make the users want to get to know Saber and Rin better, or cuddle with Sakura.

"but I really wanted to make it a work that would make the users want to get to know Saber and Rin better, or cuddle with Sakura."

This is the core reason why FSN and Zero/Strange Fake such different audiences. FSN is a dating sim for mentally stunted boomers. Zero and Strange Fake are simply good stories set in the Fate universe.

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>>41879790
Imagine the cuddling

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Mahoyo TV ad https://youtu.be/5jcVVPq_a_o

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>>41879015
nanaya



captcha: KHV88D

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>>41878411
Was this in the VN? I don't remember Saber meeting Kuzuki before when he almost killed her.

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>>41879015
Rin, Archer and Lancer

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>>41879516
An scene from the original version of Tsukihime where Kohaku fingers Shiki until he comes while Akiha watches.

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We won! guys

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>>41881306
New figures confirmed

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>>41881306
>>41881313
will these be expensive

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>allows Akiha to bite her tits
>shoves her hand into Shiki's anus
>fucks, licks and kisses her own sister
Why is Kohaku such a degenerate fuck?

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>>41881365
ofcourse

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>>41880805
it's an optional choice to have Saber visit the school I think? Or it's mandatory and Saber comments on how he breaths differently than most people and he critiques her on having her shoes on in school. It happens in the VN in UBW

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https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm41197391 Good MAD

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>>41880155
Everyone forgets that Nasu's background isn't in writing. He got his start in storytelling by DMing in pen and paper RPGs. According to Takeuchi, he was known in his circles for writing extremely elaborate campaigns with engrossing plots (which is what caused Takeuchi to push him into trying his hand at formal writing in high school).

That's why Fate expanded so easily. The Holy Grail War was blatantly envisioned as a tabletop RPG engine meant as a tool for the DM to tell stories within. The stat pages in the original VN make no attempt to hide that they're character sheets. Hell, it even has a bunch of skills like "Protection from Arrows" that are clearly leftover from the RPG phase.

Modern Fate is functioning exactly as Nasu always intended it to. The original VN was one of many potential stories that could be told within the framework he set up. Hell, the second story Nasu himself told using it was a version with rules modified for a sci-fi setting. Even Grand Order takes the class system and applies it to a more traditional pen and paper-style "party adventure" format.

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>>41881313
>>41881306
based will buy when they release in 2024
>>41881596
kyute

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I'll never get why people try to follow nasuverse plot shit - what's the point if he's just gonna change things around everytime a new work comes out? Barely anything's canon and even then it can be rewritten at any given time. Infuriating.

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>>41882949
What else am I supposed to do with my life?

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>>41882949
What do you think plot means?

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>>41883508
I know I used it wrong, w/e you still get the question. I genuinely don't understand what's compelling in following an intentionally kept incomplete pile of rewrites and contradictions.

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>>41883508
to be fair shit like the ubw anime original final episode might as well count as plot rewriting

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>>41883545
But that episode was great.

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>>41879790
I do, frequently, in a number of variations, frequently implicating fetishes which this 4chan post is too narrow to contain

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>>41883562
no it wasn't, it ruined the whole point of the original ending and once again proved that Nasu has no fucking idea why the things he wrote are actually good. No wonder he wanted to redo heavens feel completely.

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>>41883621
footfag, how you been?

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>>41883696
What did it ruin exactly?

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>>41883696
true, assuming you're talking about archer. wan't that ufo just doing something though and Nasu had something different in mind? I forget if that was how it happened.

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>>41883704
Sorry, you've mistaken me for another anon. I'm the futafag. Footfag is a different guy.

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>>41883533
It's not like retcons immediately make something no longer compelling, nor is a story's background lore's consistency with the first story to introduce the background lore the most important thing.

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>>41881402
>he critiques her on having her shoes on in school
What is she supposed to do?

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>>41884168
american detected

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>>41883696
>it ruined the whole point of the original ending
Lolwut how

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>>41883931
cope, retcons and what comes after the fact if the author is wishy washy do diminish a story when they're shit.

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>>41884232
What story?

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>>41884185
You walk barefoot in schools in your country?

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>>41884432
anon kun, have you seriously never observed the Japanese putting shoes in their lockers in at least one anime/vn/manga/something

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>>41884489
I did, I thought it's just like a part of the uniform. Don't see why would he criticize Saber who isn't a student for wearing normal shoes.

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>>41884752
I just looked at the scene and there's no mention of shoes.

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>>41884790
What did he critique Saber about? Think it was about having a stranger in the school?

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>>41884839
He doesn't. He just tells Shirou to take care of her after he explains that she's a foreign student and to make sure to leave before the gate is locked.

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>>41883621
I want to choke to death on Ryougis feet and ejaculate in my pants

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>>41881207
how can archer be a holocaust denier?
he's the one that committed it because of his duty as a counter guardian

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>>41885498
Feels like he'd deny the number being that high, laughing it off as impossible.

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Guys, should I play Muramasa or Dies Irae after FSN?

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>>41887006
Kind of depends. Dies Irae is more clearly fate-inspired so if that's what you want, go with that. Both games are kamige though so you should play both of them anyway.

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muramasa and dies irae were so awful they killed my interest in non-TM VNs

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>>41882949
I'm not even sure what you're referring to. Pretty much every story takes place in its own unique timeline, and how those timelines work is explained pretty meticulously. This isn't even some cop out he came up with after the fact, it's been explained since all the way back in the Tsukihime Plus Disc.
That aside, the baseline "rules" across these various worlds has always been pretty consistent. And any variations that arise are usually explained at length (e.g. the difference between and Fate and Tsukihime worlds).

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>>41887156
Tsuki;re is an easy example of recent rewrite. Also crimson moon and zelretch details

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>>41887156
I'm pretty sure that anon actually mean lore which I would agree with. Who fucking cares about all that garbage

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Why is this general on Page 8 wtf

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araya what do you seek?

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>>41884302
"Consistent" That's just because Nasu is a nip who doesn't think ahead very much and so he barely explains shit in a concrete enough way that future "changes" can't be regarded as simply him not explaining it so much initially. It's not like TM utilizes some deep and scientific and rigid take on magic or anything really. He clearly retconned something as fundamental as the world setting itself with Tsukihime becoming the foundation of a different type of TM world when it was all originally the same. Personally I think that's an example of a good retcon because Fate has become too divorced from old TM and that the retcon doesn't actually impact the soul of the stories but rather acts to preserve. In general I think if a writer retcons often though... that it is a sign of being super mediocre, not knowing what they want and lacking in fortitude.

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>>41888562
Somehow quoted the wrong post. Bit a general thought for the topic at hand.
>>41882949
>>41887156
>>41887186

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>>41887186
>>41887156
oh yeah theres also excalibur being an anti alien weapon or some retardation

>>41888562
>that's just because Nasu is a nip
No. It's deliberate, he never explains it so he can always write whatever about it later and keep making shit up as he goes. Im genuinely surprised there's people that didn't catch onto this and still give him the benefit of the doubt. There's no plan, he's just praying he can keep getting away with this shit and *SOMEHOW* it just keeps on working. It's kind of amazing.
>fate retcon
I don't mind good retcons like that where he just separates it, but he keeps relying on it to the point where investing any time into the lore feels like a waste - it's not concrete, it's not complete. It never will be as the author is just spitting in the audience's face.

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>>41888267
The Type-Moon fandom is dying.

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Arcueid does destroy the Gothic Fort alongside Tower Ring in this scene does she?
https://youtu.be/QP2wq9kM6Wo?t=10271
I saw once someone saying Arc didn't actually destroy the Gothic Fort since it wasn't "finished". But I believe this is missguided. For a number of reasons.

Can anyone offer their perspective?

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>>41889618
>Gothic Fort alongside Tower Ring
what the actual fuck are you even talking about

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>>41889642
Watch the scene anon. It's time stamped.

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>>41889650
Oh I totally forget those had a name. But yes she clearly destroyed it.

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>>41889683
I thought so too. Ciel later stated she used the Gothic Fort twice, against Vlov and Arcueid, so she couldn't use it again as the magical energy is spent. Meaning she fully used it against Arc.
Ciel also mentions the scale of existences in the magical world in that same scene. Guess who is the smallest, yet heaviest being? Yes, it's Arcueid herself. So actually showing Arc proving her superiority over a massive, yet large thing goes along with the scene's narrative. It's not a coincidence Ciel mentioned those things. It's pretty good writing.

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>>41889340
>Discount Rin

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>Ryougi giving puppet handjobs
>Touko's puppet pussy
>Enjou's puppet dick

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>>41889683
That's 27DAA Chrome Clay's IDEA BLOOD anon

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We won guys

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>>41890528
>Chrome Clay
who again?

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>>41888749
>he never explains it so he can always write whatever about it later and keep making shit up as he goes
That's what I said. He's not some 4d chessbro thinking 9k steps ahead. He probably can't envision his setting past a couple years, soo one work to another, let alone long term.

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>>41890850
I don't like this version of Arc

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>>41889618
Well if it wasn't finished then they'd be right. Though there isn't any indication it wasn't complete so they're wrong. However it did seem like Ciel was planning to compress the cathedral even further so I suppose you could say that wasn't necessarily the limit of the ability as Arc broke it open before the lid was closed e.g before it was fully condensed. She mentioned it was big and heavy so perhaps she can make it small and heavy. But either way Arc clearly broke the Fort in this scene which is already enough to contain a DAA's curse so she's already doing something incredible.

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>>41890856
It's too overdone as usual. It's not bad but I also prefer the normal designs of her dress.

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>>41890900
I wish Takeuchi wasn't so into dumb ribbons and shit recently.

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>>41890900
It has the same problem as DA Noel's design, but honestly I gave DA Noel a pass because it was clearly meant to be a mahou shoujo parody from Noel's perspective.

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>>41890916
Nanaya would have like 10 belts.

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Ah... Kohaku-san is

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Why did Akiha kill me just for breaking a little promise?

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>>41891158
Which promise did you break

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>>41891198
To not leave the house

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>>41891437
Are you sure it was akiha that killed you

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>>41891464
who else could it be

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>>41891464
People in the comments seem to think it's her. The whole ending is kinda confusing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c26-S-ydpfc

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>>41891158
>me
Get out of that hell house as soon as you can megane-kun

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thoughts

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>>41891158
Because you're the man who breaks his promise Shiki

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https://twitter.com/xtango3/status/1596734827159752705

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>>41890559
the castle

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>>41879790
I always thought her asking Mikiya to stay over because she wants to fugg was uncharacteristically realistic for an anime. Like anime couples seldom act like IRL couples.

I have a bit of a hard time imagining her getting her cheeks clapped by Mikiya of all people, though, like I can't imagine either her taking it or Mikiya giving it to her because of their personalities and how they mesh.

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>>41891789
Too furry

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>>41891043
Noel is punching bag character for Ciel's character development

Fit on her

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>>41877277
How is this keep being much better with Illya and her girls' harem gone. I KNEEL

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>>41891545
What's confusing. Kohaku enacts her plan, kills Akiha, without her Shiki's lifeforce cant be sustained. Shiki therefore dies.

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>>41891588
>>41891923
This artist really love Ciel
Because he finished remake vn

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>>41893176
>>41891923
https://twitter.com/xtango3/status/

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>>41893182
>>41893176
>>41891923
https://twitter.com/xtango3/status/

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>>41893195
>>41893182
>>41893176
>>41891923
>>41891923
https://twitter.com/xtango3/status/

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>>41891923
>>41893176
>>41893182
>>41893195
>>41893200
Artist https://twitter.com/xtango3/status/

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>>41892473
that's the point

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>copy Twitter links
>remove the numbers that identify a specific tweet
I hate the gook so much, it's unreal.

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>>41893371
me too

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Yep I love arcueid

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>>41892351
>hard time imagining it
If you've ever had sex it can't be that hard. I imagine she'd mellow out alot and similarly Mikiya would be a bit more aggressive. Like, standard human behavior, you know?

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>>41892898
but he sees her in the morning and he's already feeling bad there. I've a hard time believing Akiha lets herself be killed so long as SHIKI lives, because that endangers Shiki

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arcueid is a jew

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>>41894274
>If you've ever had sex
yeah hahaha

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a jew can't be this adorable and cute

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>>41894313
Arc doesn't act jewish at all.

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>>41894357
she plans on stealing the tohno inheritance to add to her ever growing real estate assets

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>>41894290
Akiha is definitely not dead (yet). I think that guy is joking. It says that Tohno Shiki displeased something that was keeping him alive, so the end is directly caused by him pissing off Akiha.
The question is whose weird monologue is that at the start of the bad end because that's who's pulling the strings. Gouto is possible and so is Kohaku.

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>>41894515
>monologue
I think it's his own.
>pissing off Akiha
kinda out of character that she'd kill him over this
>Gotou
this ending was also in the OG iirc almost 1:1. I think it's never made much sense to me.

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>>41891789
Not furry enough.

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>>41894667
By monologue I'm referring to the bit about cutlery in quotation marks. I'm sure it's not Shiki's.
I agree that she wouldn't kill him. I don't think he's dead, just incapacitated. There are other ends that aren't caused by Shiki's death. She was so happy in the morning because it means he can no longer sneak out at night.
The ending in the original game was Shiki getting killed by Roa at school.

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>>41891004
Wish they make a Hisui like rival or sister to Tamamo in the Extra Record.

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>>41893371
You know its currently 2 AM in Korea, so his life must be depressing as hell for him to just stay up and does shit like this on a sunday.

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>>41895389
He might be following the world cup, so that might be his way of killing time.

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sexo con la Arcueid

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>>41894979
I did rewatch the beginning. I think it's not a monologue but a conversation. It's kind of weird as it'd have to be Akiha deciding to "bury it deep in the shelves". Pretty sure what follows - his dream - is him seeing Akiha kill SHIKI on the school roof. So maybe she was talking to SHIKI there?
Her happiness could be because - ah. This is just Kohaku route playing out. She decides to keep him incapacitated in the mansion. I c I c.
>killed by Roa
Oh, right. Though Kohaku does appear at school before that doesn't she?

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Does arc excrete anything aside from carbon dioxide and lubricant from sexual arousal

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>>41895605
Do we have peer reviewed studies on the composition of Arcueid's sweat, vaginal secretions and menstrual blood?

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>>41894313
Is her khazarness the secret behind her bazongas?

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>>41894274
I've never been in a relationship with a woman that was more dominant or aggressive than I was, so I have a hard time imagining how couples like that (dominant woman, passive man) function/have sex even though I knew some couples with similar dynamics. Like, women don't really submit to a man in bed (let their cheeks get clapped) that they don't submit to as a woman outside of bed, in non-sexual situations, you know? Most women won't act like women with you if you let them make a woman out of you in the dynamic between the two of you.

This is getting off topic, anyway.

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>>41895389
Why does he come here rather than whatever TM fan boards are there in korea?

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>>41896611
He's probably banned from everywhere. Didn't he first get IP banned from Beast's Lair?

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>>41896634
Really? What was his account name?

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>>41896819
I don't know but I remember him being discussed in BL and even r*ddit for being an infamous spammer.

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>>41895389
I'm pretty sure he should be locked up in a mental institution somewhere.

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koreans aren't human

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why would anyone like ciel
she's fr*nch

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>>41897173
Maybe they're fans of smelly unkempt armpits

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>>41897030
look what you did to castoria /tmg/

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>>>/v/

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>>41897173
darn he's onto us
>tfw only pretend to like her ironically, as a joke

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Ciel canonically feels sexual pleasure whenever she regenerates

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>>41896144
We do not but we should. I bet Sion would have a blast researching them.

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>>41898368
Sion is 100% heterosexual.

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>>41898377
Where in my post did I mention anything about her sexuality

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>>41896144
>>41898368
We have to ask Shiki

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https://tsukihimates.com/progress/

Why does it take them almost an entire month to edit a few lines of text?

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Admit it, classic TM bros won

>Tsukihime Remake released
>MB Remake released
>Mahoyo port
>Mahoyo anime

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>>41898940
Hesitating on which terminology to use in certain areas? I know I would.

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>>41895597
>killed by Roa
>Oh, right. Though Kohaku does appear at school before that doesn't she?
This reminds me. There are two versions of that bad end and the text changes a little bit when Roa talks about what he did with Kohaku. I don't know if this is an inconsistency in the translation or if the original text also changes.

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akiha is just Rin but with worse thighs

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>>41898981
TL sucks

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The only good thing to come out of FGO https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/103154800

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>>41898940
It would be even more worrying they completed it super fast. Feels like they're just rushing it for the sake of releasing it instead of putting in effort to translate.

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>>41899012
type lumina had the most hilarious launch of a game i've ever seen.

>hype was through the rough thanks to rollback netcode + general tsukihime remake excitement
>TL launches and sells way more than they ever expected
>first 2 days everyone's having fun and praising the game
>on day 3 everyone realizes how absolutely busted the shield-teleport RPS is
>cancerous meta develops
>game starts hemorrhaging players at a massive rate
-82.05% drop in players from Oct 2021 to Nov 2021

I've never seen such a quick U-turn on a game before.

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>>41898940
translating an incomplete game is fucking retarded and just setting yourself up for failure
take it from someone who translated manga monthly

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>>41899145
It's not really comparable though. Tsuki are will have 1 or maybe 2 more parts if you want to hope for a True Arc route game or something. It's not like some long-running shonen.

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>>41899223
>Tsuki are
Uh, Tsuki R obviously

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>>41899081
I think he meant mahoyo's translation, not type lumina.

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i never understand why they had all of this lore for tsukihime but then you play the actual game and all of that shit happened long ago and all of the apostles are gone

will the tsukihime remake part 2 actually have all of that cool lore and characters in the game?

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>>41899012
>>41899081
they did a pretty good job of fixing it, and all fighting games are like that with the massive drop in players

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>>41899145
>translating an incomplete game is fucking retarded
Why is Type-Moon translating Mahoyo then?

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>>41899296
>playing Tsukihime for the lore
ngmi

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>>41899293
mahoyo's translation is superb

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>>41899296
>all of this lore
Do you not understand what "lore" is in the context of setting and world-building?

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>>41899316
Lore typically plays a role in the present day and directly leads to major plot beats and character development. Tsukihime lore is quite literally pointless. You could have Arcueid be a random vampire with zero (0) background, Shiki a straight up incel killer with no funny eyes, have Nero be some random guy with attack dogs, and finally have Roa be some delusional hobo and absolutely nothing would change.

tsukihime's lore/setting/world building is window dressing and little else.

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>>41899344
That's the way it should be. Lore should just be cool background details but it should never be the focus. If some autist wants more, they should just read some encyclopedia or some shit.

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>>41899377
>That's the way it should be
Sure, if you're some mentally stunted dating sim boomer who just wants to look at cute girls.

This is why FSN will always be superior to Tsukihime.

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>>41899344
>Lore typically plays a role in the present day
No, not really. Most settings that get praised for their depth and world building are full of lore that is essentially inconsequential to the core stories being told. Tsukihime isn't an exception.
>You could have Arcueid be a random vampire with zero (0) background, Shiki a straight up incel killer with no funny eyes, have Nero be some random guy with attack dogs, and finally have Roa be some delusional hobo and absolutely nothing would change.
You're just being willfully retarded and disingenuous now. You can apply this kind of asinine reductionist "logic" to anything, you're not clever for doing so.

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>>41899389
>implying FSN lore is for anything beyond looking cool
Unless you actually are including all the spinoffs/etc. here in which case I only have one thing to say: lmao

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>>41899296
>i never understand why they had all of this lore for tsukihime but then you play the actual game and all of that shit happened long ago and all of the apostles are gone

Bravo Nasu

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>>41899407
The events of FSN would not have happened in any way shape or form if that setting did not exist. I'm going to assume you're trolling, because I refuse to believe even a dating sim playing simpleton like you is /that/ stupid.

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>>41899453
It's just a battle royale you dumb retard. You can make one happen in a million different ways. What makes F/SN actually good is the stellar character writing not the fact that "lol they summon ancient heroes" (funfact: the most well-written servant is the completely original one).

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>>41899453
And the events of Tsukihime could not have happened without True Ancestors/Dead Apostles being a thing, or without Shiki's MEoDP. You're retarded.

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>>41899460
>It's just a battle royale
There's barely any actual battle royale in FSN, you brain damaged retard. Only in FSN and SF is the battle royale aspect brought to the forefront. This BR also leads to the acquisition of the holy grail and possible access to the root. none of these things can be hamfisted in any old battle royale, you brain damaged retard.

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>>41899473
>And the events of Tsukihime could not have happened
see >>41899344

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>>41899481
Are you retarded? That's a rhetorical question. You don't seriously think you presented a sound argument, do you?

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>>41899474
>can't argue the point so he deflects to semantics over the term "battle royale"
lmao. Battle royale just means a free for all which it objectively is. Because the narrative doesn't meet whatever you arbitrary standard is (protip: lancer fights everyone) doesn't make it not one.

>leads to the acquisition of the holy grail and possible access to the root
Have you actually read F/SN or did you get all your knowledge from the wiki? You know this is just a detail that basically doesn't matter at all outside of Heaven's Feel at the very end right? You could replace "holy grail" with "generic super strong magic artifact that's curse" and the story would be almost exactly the same. The only thing that you would really need to change would be Illya performing Heaven's Feel at the end, but that's just a minor detail. The point is to save Shirou there.

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>>41899502
Scenario writing is not "semantics". FSN is not a battle royale at all. The BR aspect is never the focus.

>generic super strong magic artifact that's curse
the point is that this magical artifact and its history are central to the story and setup the entire plot.

in tsukihime you could quite literally remove every single mention of vampires and other supernatural shit and absolutely nothing would change.

this is the difference between tsukihime and fate.

tsukihime's setting is window dressing at best and non-existent at worst.

fate's setting is central to the conflict therein, both plotwise and character wise.

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>>41899304
aniplex is translating mahoyo. They had to patch FGO before to fix things in older chapters they fucked up

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>>41899527
NTA but why bother writing all this out if you're going to keep regurgitating the same shit and never address anything?
It's not really good trolling as it's too obvious.I don't get it - at least try if ur gonna do that else ur wasting your time.

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>>41899344
You're not even talking about lore, that's just characterisation retard.

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>>41899550
Found the third worlder.

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>battle royal
>a fight participated in by more than two combatants
> especially : one in which the last fighter in the ring or the last fighter standing is declared the winner
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/battle%20royal

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>>41899527
>in tsukihime you could quite literally remove every single mention of vampires and other supernatural shit and absolutely nothing would change.
You are an absolute fucking retard. Arc's entire character is contingent on her being a True Ancestor. The conflict between Arc and Roa is centered around her status as a True Ancestor. Ciel's entire character and backstory doesn't work without the concept of vampires. Sacchin's entire arc is her becoming a vampire. Roa makes no sense without being a vampire. The story never even happens without SHIKI's inversion impulse taking place, and there's no justification for Shiki's adoption into the family.
Have you even read Tsukihime? This is fucking embarrassing. Stop posting.

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>>41899569
>Arc's entire character is contingent on her being a True Ancestor
Arc's character is a typical sheltered rich girl and that is literally what nasu based her on from the very beginning. There is nothing intrinsic to her character that is incorrigible without the true ancestor bullshit. The same goes for the rest of the characters. None of their conflicts and actions are actually dependent on the setting. This is why Nasu has never expanded on Tsukihime's "lore" because he knows it's all just window dressing from one of his board game ideas.

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>>41899591
Literally everything you said is wrong.

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>>41899600
Most of Tsukihime takes place in a house. The setting is superfluous bullshit from one of Nasu's trpg ideas.

You cannot refute this.

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>>41899591
>Arc's character is a typical sheltered rich girl
No. The core of her character is the struggle she feels as a superior being who preys on the inferior (humans). She lusts for blood and feels guilt over it, especially after befriending Shiki, a human. She grows to enjoy living among humans, even though she knows she cannot ever truly be one of them, which causes her distress. Her driving motivation is to right the wrong she committed the sole time she did drink the blood of a human. Nothing about her relationship with Shiki or Roa makes any fucking sense in the context of "a typical sheltered rich girl".
>There is nothing intrinsic to her character that is incorrigible without the true ancestor bullshit
You don't understand her character at all then.
>None of their conflicts and actions are actually dependent on the setting
Address everything else I brought up or better yet, shut the fuck up.

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>>41899621
>The core of her character is the struggle she feels as a superior being who preys on the inferior (humans)
Her vampiric urges are a non-factor for the vast majority of the story.

You have either never read Tsukihime or are genuinely mentally ill. It's hard to tell which.

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tsukihime is twilight for chuuni boys instead of fujoshi

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>>41899635
>Her vampiric urges are a non-factor for the vast majority of the story.
They're literally responsible for the central conflict, you disingenuous turd. You gonna address the rest of either of those posts >>41899569 >>41899621 or are you done shitposting?

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>>41899644
not even. twilight has far more involvement with its setting than tsukihime does. tsukihime is literally just a dating sim

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>>41899647
The central "conflict" in tsukihime is shiki's relationship with the girls. Arcueid's vampirism is never a central plot point. You don't have a clue of what you're babbling about.

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>>41899658
The central conflict in Tsukihime is the murders committed by Roa/SHIKI.

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the central conflict in tsukihime is that shiki needs to get his dick wet

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>still "arguing" with obvious trolls
will I get a ton of (You)'s if I press random keys too?

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>>41899673
roa/SHIKI is just a last minute attempt by nasu to close out the VN. 95% of the text in tsukihime is dating sim shit, because tsukihime is a dating sim.

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>>41899692
I wish.

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gssgjdjgdgfgfgs

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>>41899696
Read Tsukihime and your wish will come true.

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>>41899679
He's not trolling. He's doing what I like to call doubling down. He started off "serious" but then midway through he started laying it on extra thick so people think he's just trolling, and not a retard.

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>>41899719
you're fucking retarded

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>>41899730
nah that's you

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The easiest way of finding out whether Tsukihime's setting is shitty window dressing is to look at the discussion of Tsukihime vs Fate.

90% of Tsukihime "discussions" are about the girls and these "discussions" are just pic dumping.

90% of Fate discussions are about the plot and setting

almost no one talks about tsukihime's "plot" or "setting", not even with the remake being out.

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>>41899748
never seen the gook post, i take it

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>>41899748
There is discussion of Tsukihime's plot in this very thread.
Meanwhile the FSN discussion in here so far is about whether of not Kuzuki warned Saber over wearing shoes indoors.

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>>41899767
>There is discussion of Tsukihime's plot in this very thread.
fucking kek

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>>41899767
Kuzuki just wanted to see Saber's feet

[Anonymous No.]

how exactly do you kill a hallway

[Anonymous No.]

>>41899797
Just stab it, idiot

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>>41899748
>90% of Fate discussions are about the plot and setting
Really?

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>>41899797
You need to look at it hard enough.

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>>41899748
This is probably bait but I actually agree.

I feel like /tmg/ has more productive discussions about Fate than any other TM work. But this is only because Fate has better world-building and more speculation related to it. It just has a larger scope than Tsukihime, which is ultimately a small-scope story about an amnesiac school boy who finds himself caught in Tohno family drama. Does that mean Fate is better than Tsukihime? No, it just generates more discussion. There isn't really much to speculate or discuss with Tsukihime (remake plot point changes aside), the story is fairly straight-forward.

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>>41899719
Nailed it. You can see its desperation.

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>>41899767
Proof?
All FSN discussion I see on /a/or /tmg/ is Rin posting or Sakura posting. At least Tsukihime has a few dedicated posters discussing Tohno's character or speculation on RG

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>>41900190
Meant for
>>41899748

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I remember writing a reply here yesterday to >>41894274, but it's gone now. I did end it with saying that I was getting off topic but I didn't imagine that I would be the one to step over the moderation line rather than the gook, the copypasta spammers, or the people posting unironic porn a couple threads back. Anyway.

>>41899748
Do you think it's because Tsukihime is much older? It's not like non-gacha FSN discussion amounts to a whole lot nowadays, either. People have discussed every important topic/issue they wanted to discuss in the last 20 years. All that is truly left is lusting over pixels.

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>>41900324
>it's gone
install 4chanX and stop caring about deletions.

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>>41899748
/tmg/ where's your Mahoyo pic dumping sluts at?

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>>41900324
>discussed over the last 20 years
you forget new people get into the medium constantly - one would think they'd spark new discussions. Dunno why it doesnt happen more often though

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>>41900485
>you forget new people get into the medium constantly
Not really, it's not the 2000s anymore, the golden age of VNs is long past. There hasn't been a big time watershed VN release that got a bunch of new people into VNs in over 10 years.
Not just that, but the list of worthwhile translated VNs used to be pretty short. Now it's quite long. So for the few people who are getting into VNs, they have a ton of options, and there's not a lot to draw them to Tsukihime in particular. It's an old ass VN with "ugly" art, 10 music tracks and no voice acting. And now there's a brand spanking new half translated remake overshadowing it to boot.

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>>41899879
I disagree you cannot have discussion and/or speculation from Tsukihime franchise alone, that is Tsukihime 1999 + KT + Melty Blood games (not Lumina) + Materials about Tsuki 2. Remake sure tweak things but to say Tsuki was a weak franchise years ago, is presumptuous. Tsukihime lacks any disccusion because you don't see often analysis videos in the past 20 years but only with the Fatechurds. They bring new people to talk Fate

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>>41900544
>release
Muramasa. Tsukire. Pretty sure VNs are growing more popular in the west at a pace faster than ever before

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>>41900553
I don't keep up with ecelebs, do people really make Fate analysis videos? I just meant that the franchise is more prone to speculation and discussion, which has more back-and-forth in threads as people exchange ideas. Its just common sense really.

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>>41899748
>>41899759
>>41899767
>>41899779
>>41899792
>>41899797
Nasuverse is based because it does mass appeal right. It doesn’t water itself down to appeal to everyone, it does something unique that everyone from every culture and nationality can enjoy. The story, setting, characters and lore are also timeless.

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>>41899703
>>41899718
I want to rim both of their asses

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>>41900677
>t. Takeuchi

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>>41900669
but that doesn't answer my question of HOW DO YOU KILL A HALLWAY

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>>41900798
>recognize the concept of a "hallway"
>understand the concept of a "hallway"
>delete the concept of a "hallway" from existence
>???
>hallway gone

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>>41900808
sounds like some poor sons of bitches in the future trying to recycle some aggregate are gonna get a nasty surprise

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>>41900820
The material left over after the deletion of the "hallway" is just inert rubble. It shouldn't be dangerous.

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>>41900835
shiki killing the concepts of things make them unable to reform as is his power to make immortal beings cease to exist.
the same could probably be said of the rubble that was previously a hallway.
if the rubble was reused to build a house, the parts used to construct "hallways" would spontaneously collapse, while rooms would still be fine.

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>>41900602
Muramasa was released in 2009 you fucking dunce.
And the English translation came out to all the aplomb of a wet fart. No one cared. All the hype surrounding it died completely in the 12 years it took to get translated.
>Pretty sure VNs are growing more popular in the west at a pace faster than ever before
in what universe lol
You could only give me two "examples" of big recent releases. One was legitimate, but one wasn't recent at all, a twelve year old game from the tail end of the golden age I spoke about.

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>>41900927
>2009
yeah and? I thought we were talking about the west/non-japanese speaking communities mostly, not japan.
>hype died down
>wet fart
>no one cares
any other lies you tell yourself to sleep better at night? it was a massive success sales wise and is extremely popular.
>in what universe
in the real one. Nekopara and more recently DDLC has caused a massive spike - look at the translation companies and moege sales.

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>>41900927
>two examples
cause it takes fucking time to translate one, retard. If you knew anything about he industry you'd know about chaos;head and the steam ban getting overturned. Super recent Gore Screaming Show release and incoming Tokyo Necro supposed to come out before 2023.

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Okay

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>>41899692
>"J-just d-ating, & r-relationships. Ignore t-he author h-highlighting the t-heme of i-inhoomans coexisting with h-hoomans and everything else."

You've clearly been assblasted by people who read the work. Even a troglodyte could at least realize Arc's vampirism and impulses play a critical role in her route and ESPECIALLY her relationship.

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>>41901995
Don’t bother. It sounds like another retard that likes to shit on Tsukihime and proclaim that Fate is better in every way for some reason. They’re probably made that Tsukihime is the focus for TM going forward.

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>>41902083
mad*

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>>41901119
> it was a massive success sales wise and is extremely popular.
in what fucking universe
it barely got any attention, and what little attention it got has already fizzled out
I don't know how it did sales wise, I'm sure it did well for a non-Steam VN release, but that's just it. It got barred from Steam, the sales are bound to be dogshit in comparison to VNs that made it onto that platform.
>is extremely popular
Where? According to what metric? It barely gets any fanart and what little there is, most of it has existed for the better part of the past decade. If you sort by popularity on vndb, it's not even on the front page. It's somewhere on page 2, which is basically where it's always been. If you search it on the archive here, or any board liable to discuss VNs, the results are pitiful. I don't have anything against Muramasa but pretending it was some massive game-changing success that brought a new audience to visual novels in the vein of titles like Fate or Steins;Gate is fucking delusional, even more so from a western perspective.
>Nekopara and more recently DDLC has caused a massive spike
No, not really. DDLC is a stupid bait and switch and most people that read Nekopara do it as a joke. VNs do well because now there are platforms for them to be sold to an international audience, not because there's some ballooning interest in them. There aren't any titles that are so prolific that they instantly spawn a rabid fanbase that draws new eyes to not only the title but the medium. Titles like this were a dime a dozen in the period from 2000-2009, and it was the medium as a whole, not just a single genre. Fate, Higurashi, Clannad, Muv Luv, Steins;Gate, Saya no Uta, etc. There are so many "babby's first VNs" from that period because of how popular the titles were, and how many were genuine introductions to the medium for a lot of people. You can't say the same about anything from the past decade. Katawa Shoujo was the most recent "babby's first VN" to be released, and it's over a decade old now.

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>>41902118
VN adaptations used to be the isekai adaptations of the 00s, VNs were absolutely, ridiculously huge and ubiquitous in the 00s.

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>>41902177
Yeah, exactly.

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>>41902118
>fizzled out
>still talked about every single fucking day on both /vn/ and visual novels ddit, every time there's a /v/ thread aswell
lmao
>bound to be dogshit in comparison
No, it sold incredibly well even though it wasn't on steam
>fanart
Since when do westoids draw anything? I fail to see how this matters.
>popularity
almost like every page 1 VN has been translated for 8+ fucking years with the exception of DDLC
>results are pitiful
Muramasa is the most discussed/mentioned visual novel on /vn/ by far. The only thing that mogs it on plebbit is nasuverse.
>fate and s;g
VNs didnt do shit here, animation carried and made people interested, not a fair comparison. I never said it was as massive though - DDLC has done a better job in that regard, but it's absolutely true that Muramasa has drawn alot of new people in when compared to other plotge with no adaptations.
>not really
retard. It's still got a shitload of people interested, the entire buzz around Nekopara got people into moege, it's literally where VNs started to pick up any pace in the west. And yeah sure DDLC is a shit bait and switch but it was massive as a gateway, essentially the modern katawa shoujo except bigger when it came to expanding the fanbase. You can't say these didn't do shit just cause not everyone became a VN fanboy after or some people read them as a joke.
>there are platforms
platforms were always there, just no interest.
>how popular the titles were
When you've 5 translated plotge it does kinda make sense that they're all "popular" lmao. not too much to contend with. It's painfully obvious you haven't been to a single place that discusses VNs in the past few years, it's impossible to ignore all the people that started with DDLC. You can even look at VN releases after that and Nekonyan's success since - DDLC is the reason all of the current moeslop sells.

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>>41902177
They were huge in Japan, but barely anyone in the west has actually picked up the novels after seeing the adaptations, hell they weren't even translated outside of the biggest few.

[Anonymous No.]

Would Mahoyo have been better if it had multiple endings and routes?

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>>41902386
>on /vn/
Oh wow, a starved for content circlejerk on one of the most popular boards on the site that somehow has less IPs posting in it right now than this perpetually dead thread on this perpetually dead board.
I just checked and right now /vng/ has 500 posts and 55 active IPs, while this thread has 350 posts and 62 IPs.
This is your objective metric of quality?
>No, it sold incredibly well even though it wasn't on steam
Do you have any sort of sales data to back that up, and comparisons with VNs that were released on Steam?
>Since when do westoids draw anything? I fail to see how this matters.
Since forever? Since when was fanart a uniquely western concept? I think you mean "since when does anyone in my circlejerk internet bubble draw anything?" In which case, you've got me there. And why wouldn't it matter? It's a direct reflection of popularity.
>VNs didnt do shit here, animation carried and made people interested, not a fair comparison
Did anime die? Why is that not a fair comparison? Maybe you should ask yourself why there aren't any adaptations of VNs into anime any more.
>but it's absolutely true that Muramasa has drawn alot of new people
All 55 of them.
>platforms were always there, just no interest.
Are you fucking kidding me? Are you comparing steam from 10 years ago to steam right now? No. None of these platforms, steam, gog, mangagamer whatever had a fraction of the reach/presence/userbase they have now.
> DDLC is the reason all of the current moeslop sells
Okay, and? You've completely lost sight of the argument, jackass. The point of contention here is why there aren't more newfags interested in reading stuff like Tsukihime. I guess it's my fault for glossing over it, but I already suggested that shit like DDLC and Nekopara isn't bringing a new audience to the medium as a whole, just to a specific subgenre. And it sounds like you agree with me.

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>>41902584
>ignores plebbit
>ignores /v/
ok? Better focus on the one place that has a chance of fitting your agenda I guess.
>sales data
No. Only JAST claims that it was a massive success and the amount of discussion that seemed to support it.
>since forever
lmao, westoids sure have produced a ton of visual novel related fanart over the years, uh-huh! Now count Umineko and fate out, uh-oh.. where's all that western art..?!
Fan art ain't an unique concept but western fan art for visual novels always was incredibly rare. Nowadays it's also heavily monetized - patreon, commisions, whatever - there's more than ever before but it's concentrated on the few popular series that sell.
>adaptations of VNs into anime
Unrelated to discussing popularity of VNs with adaptation vs those without. Also unrelated but LN adaptations are produced as ads to boost LN sales. I don't know the exact details but I imagine LNs are more profitable and less of a clusterfuck to adapt than shoving 60 hours into 12 episodes.
>platforms
Yeah but they were there, as you've said they had no userbase - there was no interest.
>okay and
Not everyone who got into VNs through DDLC or heard of them via Nekopara will pursue moeslop, I just mentioned that as it was a massive visible popularity bump. Furthermore even moefags are prone to branching off into charage and plotge eventually.
It's a blatant lie that people ain't into Tsukihime or Fate - even people that start with Tsukire are bound to get interested in the OG if they liked the remake. Many such cases if ddit vn sub posts are to be believed. And Fate has only gained popularity as years went by thanks to the continuous adaptations, the VN will never stop having an influx of fresh blood.
If it appears there's less discussions it's because they're happening on ddit or are spread across a multitude of discords - there's tons entirely dedicated to VN playthroughs. Alot of the time simply googling and reading old discussions/opinions will also suffice due to the accumulated amount. The new readers are also more spread out than back when Fate was first translated and everyone jumped on it - when there's 5 VNs available you'll see them brought up alot more than when there's 50.

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>>41902753
>ignores /v/
I didn't though. Searching the name turns up less than 300 results on /v/. I'm sure that's far from all of it, but still.
>Only JAST claims that it was a massive success
So nothing, just like all your other claims. Got it.
>westoids sure have produced a ton of visual novel related fanart over the years
This is such a bizarre cope, Muramasa's fanart is pitiful in general and the western fanbase reflects that, because it's not anywhere near as popular as you're pretending it is.
>Now count Umineko and fate out
Two visual novels that were actually, genuinely popular among the western audience and grew it. But I guess it's just a coincidence that they got fanart from western artists.
>LN adaptations are produced as ads to boost LN sales
That's counterproductive to your argument, if your claim is that anime are only made as "ads" to the original work, then there's no reason for VN adaptations to have stopped. It's almost like the shit that was getting adapted 10-15 years ago had buzz and popularity to begin with, and the adaptations were being made to capitalize on and increase that.
>I imagine LNs are more profitable and less of a clusterfuck to adapt
lol which is it? You just said they were glorified ads, now they need to stand on their own and be profitable in their own right?
>Fate was first translated and everyone jumped on it - when there's 5 VNs available you'll see them brought up alot more than when there's 50.
Yes, that was one of my original points.

[Anonymous No.]

I read Nasu's stuff for the MCs' antics, the cute girls and the comfy/spooky urban fantasy. I don't care about your gay lore.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/MadoroQ/status/1597164646821253122

Senpai and Kouhai

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>>41902935
>>41902947
>Nasu
>Not Kino

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>>41902901
>Muramasa's fanart is pitiful
so is most novels from that time period, your point? Fanart wasn't synonymous with popularity until it started generating money - https://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/toukei_datacount.php you can check the EGS popularity chart and then look how much fanart each of these has lol
>Two visual novels that were actually, genuinely popular among the western audience
What about all the other high popularity (on vndb) VNs? Where's the art? Umineko is far behind Grisaia yet it has far more art? Umineko has tremendous amounts of art because it attracts a particular well known crowd and Fate is just massive enough to garner a bunch of it. There's barely any western art for other VNs, iirc Saya and KS still get some but they've their own unique reasons too.
>then there's no reason for VN adaptations to have stopped
VNs are not as popular as they used to be in japan, and even if they were it's possible LNs are even more profitable still + as said, the ease of adaptation.
>which is it
Anime studios get funding for their projects, because LNs are profitable they can afford to pay more to get the ad out.
>original point
I didn't mean to say that less people will read it now, just that since there's more to discuss people do not have to circlejerk the same novel to have a conversation.

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>>41902935
Why is it the ones that dislike lore are always so loud and obnoxious? They feel the need to voice their peasant opinion as if it matters. Meanwhile lorefriends are here sipping tea waiting for the next discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

When will we get the next MB DLC?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41903083
December 11th and Probably December 31

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>>41903047
>Meanwhile lorefriends are here sipping tea waiting for the next discussion.
More like samefagging to have an excuse to post their essais no one is gonna read.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the deal with Ciel and Be'Ze? It was stated she trained under him but she also killed him and got his Idea Blood. So that's weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41899644
that's why it's good

[Anonymous No.]

how old was shiki during the events of tsukihime anyway
will I have to call the police on arc and ciel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41903534
Arc doesn't look older than him anyway and neither does Ciel. So from the authorities' point of view they are safe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41903534
>HE WAS 17 YEARS 364 DAYS 23 HOURS 59 SECONDS 999 MILISECONDS OLD YOU SICK FUCKS

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>>41903617
shirou too
I will call the police on saber

[Anonymous No.]

>arguing with some mentally ill third worlder who thinks VN is a growing medium
how bored are you

[Anonymous No.]

I clicked on a random FGO lore wikipage
why does this shit read like a YouTube video on ancient history you watch at 3 am

[Anonymous No.]

>>41903636
>more than 1000 years age gap
She's going away for a long, long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41903725
>shirou is 17
>illya is 18
she's also going into the slammer!

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[Anonymous No.]

>>41903725
Unironically she just have to hang herself and she'll just go to the next grail war

[Anonymous No.]

>>41903645
Imagine being capable of reading. No one said it's a growing medium

[Anonymous No.]

Why is /tmg/ always talking about Muramasa?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904387
idk. it was pretty mediocre. not awful like 99.99% of VNs, but very mediocre. if muramasa had been an anime it would have been forgotten after a season.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904387
Recently translated so EOPs are getting around to reading it and it's also pretty chuuni so there's a natural overlap in the fanbase.

>>41904404
filtered

[Anonymous No.]

F/SN > Muramasa > Tsukihime > Dies Irae

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>>41904404
Yeah it gets overrated quite hard like muv luv, but it's not very good.

You can figure out the TWEEST very early on and then once you do the story doesn't have much to offer. It never changes it formula. It's like the writer had one idea and couldn't come up with anything else so he just repeated it over and over again.

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>if [visual novel] had been an anime it would have been forgotten after a season
Has /tmg/'s IQ always been this low?

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>>41904473
Well, the statement isn't wrong since most anime based on VNs are shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904404
Anon that's like saying the Dies anime was forgotten.

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>>41904449
did you even read it? Muramasa isn't particularly dependent on any TWEEST (there's a few you can choose from; I'm going to assume you mean the 善悪相殺 reveal here). It's primarily about Kageaki and Hikaru.

[Anonymous No.]

>did you even read it?
Why do mentally stunted weebs always come up with this cope? It's like their NPC brains have this same fixed response when confronted with criticism

[Anonymous No.]

clearly you're just baiting but the obvious point was that anon's opinion is so wildly off base that's it's questionable if he even read the story.

[Anonymous No.]

>Muramasahaters didn't even read the VN
Why am I not surprised?

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>you're just baiting
NPC response #2

good god

[Anonymous No.]

>NPC NPC NPC
oh the sweet lack of self awareness

[Anonymous No.]

Where there are vampires, I slay them
Where there are servants, I slay them

[Anonymous No.]

"how dare you call me out for behaving like an NPC"

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>>41904577
rape them*

[Anonymous No.]

>Immediately assumes I'm the guy arguing with him
And voila, mindbroken. That'll be another W for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904577
>>41904596
yes

[Anonymous No.]

oh the sweet lack of self awareness

[Anonymous No.]

>>41897030
>>41897361
We shouldn't have been so mean...

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>>41904616
That's a pretty reasonable assumption to make. You're a schizo.

[Anonymous No.]

Muramasa doesn't have much beyond it's edginess and suffering (a trait shared by the vast majority of visual novels). Same goes for Dies Irae. This is why there is next to zero discussion about those two vns despite the fact that they were hyped up for years and years by weebaboos.

Contrast this with FSN and Muv-Luv, two VNs which have generated countless amounts of discussion for nearly 20 years straight.

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>>41904708
>Muv-Luv
>generated countless amounts of discussion for nearly 20 years straight.

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>>41904708
People making shitposts like this is why I just assume none of you have actually read the VN. Muramasa is funnier than most comedy VNs which you would know if you actually read it.

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>>41904738
it is also full of edgy shit and "suffering", like a saturday morning cartoon villain dismembering a little girl and forcing her best friends to rape her.

Take your meds, schizo.

[Anonymous No.]

>complaining about edginess and characters suffering too much in the Type-Moon general
Are you guys lost?

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>>41904743
>suffering and edge is le bad
so let me guess you dropped it after chapter 1? That's fine. Just say it next time before expressing your bad opinions.

[Anonymous No.]

>you didn't read it
>you dropped it after chapter 1
this tranny is going nuts

[Anonymous No.]

The very first bad ending you get in F/SN is Shirou getting dismembered and crushed alive, then being made into Illya's sex toy for eternity. What the fuck is this clown talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904758
Fate has a lot going for it beyond the worms. Dies Irae and Muramasa have nothing else to offer beyond their edginess, which is why Fate is a much more successful VN and generates orders of magnitude more discussion than both Muramasa and Dies Irae *combined*.

[Anonymous No.]

>make a dumb claim that's obviously wrong to anyone who has read the work
>cope by making nonsensical greentexts
So I guess this was the same guy that was shitting on Tsukihime earlier. Same style of "argument"

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>>41904788
just you wait.. once they translate muramasa and deez eranuts everyone will be talking about them!

OH WAI-

[Anonymous No.]

the tranny is now arguing with itself
another mindbroken subhuman

it's too easy

[Anonymous No.]

>/v/irgin speak
And the little baby shitter outs himself while pissing his pants. Fuck off back to your shithole.

[Anonymous No.]

>IESLB
discarded.

[Anonymous No.]

Slot machine game must be going on a rough period again. No wonder the quality of the thread dipped.

[Anonymous No.]

for all the shit people complain about current nasuverse I've found tsukihime to have, by a good fucking shot, the biggest amount of bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904921
If you're implying there's anything wrong with the events in your picture, go back and re-read the game slowly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904921
who gives a shit. tsukihime is a dating sim. the chuuni bullshit is just window dressing.

[Anonymous No.]

>dating sim
you haven't used this term correctly once by the way

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904937
>I'll stab a line of death on the school ground
>this basically "kills" "nature" and eliminates arcueid's weakness to make her defeatable
>with no other effects or results
thanks bro

did you know that just because its the first succesful work of nasu and a classic VN you don't have to pretend like its perfect?
In fact, its really fucking common for early works of an author to be the ones with the most imperfections and incongruencies

[Anonymous No.]

Just fucking stop gobbling up that bait. Gacha retards can't live without attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904966
>fucking hates talking about moderm nasu works
>talking about tsukihime is "bait"
Your brain rot caused by contrarianism is so potent that somehow you have convinced yourself that the best thing for the thread is to not talk about anything at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904966
FGO really broke your mind, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

Well, you're either a colossal retard or the shitposter himself. I honestly don't know which one is worse. Feel free to argue in circles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904965
He just killed the power spot planet backup thingy (forgive me if there's a term; I don't remember it) in the area which weakened Arc a bit. Literally what is the problem here. It's not like Shiki killed the entire planet

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904921
Don't worry, he does it in the remake again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905152
I think that guy was just retarded and thought Shiki literally killed all of nature or something lol

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime reads like an AI generated story. plot is nonexistent and the characters are hilariously stilted and retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905185
it was one of nasu's earliest works so it's pretty bad yea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905152
This scene was perfect with the voices. Hearing Arc getting genuinely surprised was pretty amusing.

[Anonymous No.]

The closer we get to december 8 the slower the time flows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905216
what's happening on that date?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905238
/tmg/ gets saved

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905216
What are the odds that they'll sneak something new in the re-release? I'm debating whether I should fuck off from /tmg/ completely until I finish playing through the new version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905261
There has to be a teaser after completing everything the game has to offer for the future of Mahoyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905261
Sequel announcements. Believe in the kinoko

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905261
I'm sure they would have said if there was new content. We could hope for a teaser similar to the one at the end of blue glass moon if we want to be delusional I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905261
I also plan to fuck off for 2 days since it'll take me that long to finish it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905295
I almost took vacation for this like I did for Tsuki R, but I figured that would be a bit overkill. Shouldn't take me that long anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905270
>>41905275
>>41905286
What's the point of announcing something that won't be out for years? Yes Nasu plays the long game but maybe now he has enough common sense to announce it AFTER the entire Tsukihime remake?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905344
I admire your optimism in believing a Mahoyo sequel will be released.
Also you're making it sound like Red Garden isn't taking years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905344
Because Koyama will bully him to announce it so he can draw more Aoko’s after so long

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905344
Assuming we'll actually get some info, at the best case scenario it'll happen during the movie screening, which is going to air at the end of 2023 IIRC. Expecting anything from the remaster beyond movie shilling is just bordering on the insanity, but still this is TM we're talking about. It's not an impossibility.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905374
Red Garden is taking years but at least it's not being made from scratch. And between F/GO, Red Garden and whatever new content for the full version of the game we're talking 5 years at the earliest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905374
>Also you're making it sound like Red Garden isn't taking years
The Olympics, trust the plan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905009
>he just killed the power spot planet backup thingy
its still bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905472
because?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905474
I was in the middle of typing an actual reply when I realized you weren't going to give a shit and listen to anything I could say. You would just dimiss it and then insult me in some petty form anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905485
>no argument
lmao okay

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905488
no, zero, and I'm not going to give any
Its still bullshit. That's it. Your opposing opinion couldn't matter less to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>41904921
Some people here forget Nasu just writes and comes up with shit on the spot. Thus the endless lore retcons.
At least he's still not as inconsistent as Araki or an overall hack like Kojima.

[Anonymous No.]

That bit in Tsukihime when that kid who can kill abstract things killed an abstract thing was fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905618
Silly anon. It's bad because I say so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905618
why do you have that weird autism to try to argue with people without replying to them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905631
Confrontation scares me

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905152
I appreciate the new animation effect that occurred in this scene. You can visually tell he broke something(Nature/World) in the entire area on a conceptual level given how it radiated outward like shockwave. It's ridiculous but he nearly went further in scope(Said the entire world afaik) in TC with what seemed like a bigger point before Arc did something similarly ridiculous and pulled away the death like a scene out of charlie brown.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905618
So if he can kill abstract things, why can't he kill Servants which are basically just super ghosts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905725
Remake Shiki can definitely wreck some servants. I don't care what that mushroom may or may not say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905725
He always could. Nasu explained the eyes could kill servants spiritual bodies even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905725
>why can't he kill Servants

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905725
Shiki can kill servants.

[Anonymous No.]

Tohno can in fact kill servants. When he killed Arcueid, 17 cuts landed in "an instant".
This is on the same level as 5th grail war Asassin's Tsubame Gaeshi. This is in fact canon. Non only that, but Arcueid was not able to notice she was being followed, nor feel any killing intent from Tohno until the blade already killed her. This is on the same level as asassin servant presence concealment.

In the official Tsukihime manga, Shiki was capable of slicing and killing lightning shot at him by Roa. A low estimate of the speed required for this would land at 96,000MPH, which is the atmospheric discharge of lightning at denser levels (closer to lower altitudes.) Tying together presence concealment, Zelretch level ability (flash sheath), and A class speed, Shiki could in fact stand a chance against most servants. His trump card that would place him above anything summoned under asassin card would be that he essentially has an instant kill move if he ever gets near, making him a very deadly oponent.

To use concrete evidence of Shiki proving himself time and time again, we can look at who in fact he has killed.

Nrvnqsr Chaos the 10th apostle. In one attack Tohno managed to kill all 666 of his lives.
Michael Roa Valdamjong, said to be immortal by traveling between Akasha and back, "reincarnating". Tohno severed his connection to Akasha, erasing his existance.

In the "Talk" side story for Tsukihime, Tohno manged to kill the forest of Einnashe, the seventh dead apostle. He also managed to kill Einnashe's reality marble.

This motherfucker beat up a FOREST, all ryougi ever did was beat up:
>a drug dealer she went to high school with
>a high schooler with a disability
>a terminally ill woman
>a hotel manager

[Anonymous No.]

I never ever understood why "can shiki kill servants?" became a shitpost
how is it even a question? a fucking retard with sword autism can kill the OP king of heroes if the circumstances are favorable and the writer wants to, why the fuck couldn't someone with extremely OP mystic eyes?

[Anonymous No.]

>people actually wanna read garbage mahoyo TL on release
fucking pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905725
Saber gets the you're fucked line in melty blood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905770
I don't. I want to read the Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905770
Shan't be reading the trannoid moon TL

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905770
Eat shit EOP

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905770
I'm hyped for the voices my man

[Anonymous No.]

Wasn't it already released for ages though? Why wait for this ver in particular? What am I missing here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905756
It's really stupid how Ryougi is said to have better eyes and combat ability despite way weaker feats. The most bullshit things she did were escaping Araya's trap and bypassing precognition eye in Mirai Fukuin. Everything else is whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41879170
Is this what he meant?
>>41905756
He's mostly right though but I feel baited.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905766
cause it was never a "can he beat a servant" but "can he erase the servant from existence", it's just spawned massive shitposting because there were people who didn't understand this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905797
I'm offended. That copypasta is 100% on topic and relevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905770
We know you are such a fucking jaded faggot that you haven't actually read a single fucking thing from Nasu except for FSN, but I implore you to either cease the audacity to shittalk actual type moon fans for actually giving a shit about the franchise or kill yourself right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905793
To be fair she's never clearly said to have better combat ability and she clearly doesn't anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905809
are you mental? Anyone who gives a shit and will not be reading in JP will wait for the re-translation rather than read a butchered version. Gotta be a retarded faggot that gives no shit about Nasu's writing to ruin your own experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905809
>actual type moon fans for actually giving a shit about the franchise
These fans should've translated this shit years ago. Also rework F/SN and Tsukihime translations too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905819
They are too busy translating F/GO profiles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905818
>wait for the re-translation
I'm not defending aniplex but lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905811
>>41905793
wasn't her combat ability only higher when she uses a katana - the weapon she's actually trained with? at least I remember hearing smth to that effect

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905826
I dont mean hollow moon faggots. I've some faith tsuki;re team picks it up so I'll wait at least till they're done with Ciel to see if they announce anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905818
>>41905835
Anyone who gives a shit will be reading in JP*

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905719
>pulled away the death
made me kneel. I was just thinking to myself "man, that fucking dot trick again, I guess the endings will be mainly simil-" and ate my words for 5 hours straight.

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>>41905827
It was said that her katana ability makes her knife ability look like trash. It was compared in such a way that with a Katana Ryougi would look like she did in the movie and knife ryougi would be all the clumsy zombies. And it's also specified that her ability with a katana is only at the skill level of Taiga so she's definitely not more skilled with cutlery than the dude with a knife fetish.

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>>41905800
I'll call massive fucking bullshit because from what I'm seeing from ancient screenshots and archives confirming my memory it was all about dumbfuck power level arguments and not what you imply
>can he erase the servant from existence
why the fuck couldn't he?
I guess the question is more about "what the fuck does it mean to "kill" a heroic spirit, which would actually be more about speculation but I have two theories

1-They just die instantly, physically, and their soul fuck offs back to the throne, as it is a place outside any possible logic of time and reason and doesn't care that a soul has "died", as the throne collects it anyway.
2-Just like Solomon, they disappear from the throne. I find this slighly more "logical" but way more unlikely, as I don't imagine Nasu wouldn't be satisfied with this, as its understandably more boring, as it implies that being erased from the throne could be done just like that instead of a huge fucking deal. Solomon had to Horus heresy'd himself on a spiritual level and Sherezade needed to erase the entire concept of mystics by droping Laputa on top of a moderm city to be fred from the throne. I can't imagine Nasu making light of the foundation of fate-type universes

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905846
Yes, they gave the implication of him going bigger but thankfully didn't beat a dead horse and gave us something even more crazy. Truly fun ending that gave us one of the best scenes and pieces of artwork tmg ever produced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905818
read a real book nigga

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905888
Type-Moon VNs will unironically be studied as literature 100 years from now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905719
>Arc did something similarly ridiculous and pulled away the death like a scene out of charlie brown
Event Storage is also some next level broken stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41879624
Hmmm... haven't we learned anything from the OP?

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>>41905856
>it was all about dumbfuck power level arguments and not what you imply
Yeah, it was a shitpost festival where most anons misunderstood the question to begin with and rather than argue the throne logic it devolved into powerlevel flinging. that's why it's so legendary

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905895
we are way past the point of trying to scare us with how doomed the world is

[Anonymous No.]

wait so shiki could put archer out of his misery if the two ever met?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905923
>that's why it's so legendary
alright you got me

but then it circles back to why the fuck would anyone ever think "no, shiki can't defeat a servant"

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905936
>doomed
Nasu good stuff easily shits all over half of classic literature. It would be an upgrade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905888
I'm zoomerified. My attention span won't last 10 seconds for things that do not interest me. Recommend me some books to cure me sakurabro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905811
And though she was originally stated to be a higher level user of the eyes, it was also stated that while she's specialized in visualizing phenomena, Tohno who became submerged in death is the one who became specialized in killing living things. So the higher level bit is probably just about having a frame better suited for it resulting in not dying when using it as well as being able to "overlook the landscape of death" whereas Shiki uses glasses... at least until he couldn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905914
Just fight her somewhere that isn't the earth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905938
To be honest, considering namelss from the Extra timeline is fine and has made peace with things, similarly with the Emiya of FGO, so I would say that he was never really that miserable and just felt inmense disappointment upon seeing his past self in that single route in FSN

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905938
I've unironically envisioned Nanaya saying something like this to Archer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905960
Do you think they kiss before saying goodbye forever?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905963
Archer and Nanaya are 100% straight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905940
>but then it circles back to why the fuck would anyone ever think "no, shiki can't defeat a servant"
This is my headcanon but I think people take all the narration wank in F/SN about how servants are super great/special/strong too seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905947
Unironically Le Morte of D'arthur by sir thomas Mallory
Its all adventures for ADHD retards like you and me. Extremely enjoyable, really easy to read and gives a LOT of perspective on Fate and everything surrounding saber. Don't be intimidated by the high page count, for some reason you can read it really fucking fast

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905969
which is funny because out of all the fate works it is perhaps in FSN the one in which its shown servants to be the "weakest", as in, how they are defeatable by humans and normal maguses

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905947
Edgar Allan Poe, Lovecraft and Ray Bradbury all have short stories compilations that are pretty good if you're too scared to jump straight into a long novel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905963
Emiya? You're prey worth remembering. We can kill each other again once this night is over.~Nanaya, probably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905947
Epic of Gilgamesh is short and pretty good.

[Anonymous No.]

killing someone in all timelines, retroactively, timelessly would probably nuke shiki's brain cells harder than anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905952
Aside from aliens this isn't even a viable alternative. And even then she can probably terraform other places with Marble Phantasm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905970
>>41905986
>>41905997
thanks anons, will check them out.

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>>41906005
Shiki's brain has never been "nuked" no matter what sort of bullshit he looked into. That's a non-factor storywise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906013
People who can blow up the planet or teleport her into the sun or something should be able to do it. Though probably no one in TM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905957
you know how you look at old photos of yourself and cringe
imagine that but you can literally watch yourself be cringe in real time

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906016
You could also read some new fantasy shit. I read the night angel trilogy recently(it's from 2008) and it was fun. Has a bunch of interesting characters, politics and a very cool setting. Great if you want magical assassins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906005
>>41906020
Well maybe Nasu said something differently somewhere, but to me, comprehending the death of a spooky ghost is a lot more feasible than the death of a fucking hallway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906036
suddenly, I 100% understand Archer

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905947
father brown stories by gk chesterton, they're short, good and amusing, and there are almost no women on them

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906045
it's easier to destroy something physical than to make something disappear in a puff of logic

[Anonymous No.]

So I decided to resume reading tsukihime after I finished the Ciel route. Thing is that read that a year ago and there are so many things that I don't remember before entering akiha's route
>Arcueid's route
Shiki defeats pic related Roa at the cost of loosing arcueid
>Ciel's route
Shiki turns out to be a reincarnation of Roa. Ciel was the previous reincarnation of Roa and tried to hunt Shiki down but ceased due to falling in love with him. Arcueid chimpouts and tries to kill Shiki, but its defeated instead and the boy sacrifices himself, using his death perception power to kill the roa inside him and dying in the arms of Ciel

this is all just from memory, did I miss anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906063
yikes
fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905940
>why would anyone ever think
Cause there's some he can't beat - he has no chance vs Gilgamesh or if Lancer actually throws the spear etc.

>>41905978
>>41905969
isn't most of it just retarded Shirou plotarmor rather than servants jobbing to humans? Stuff like Archer losing to Zerker but Shirou one tapping him or beating SAlter makes absolutely no sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906030
You need far more energy than planet-busting to defeat Arc since her Principle allows her to reach planck-energy density. Meaning unless you also have that sort of energy she'd smash through whatever you throw at her like a hot knife through butter.
Teleporting her is probably a no-go either. When Arcueid is outputting enough energy space and gravity begins to warp and she can become as dense as a star as the narration describes her. Moving that much mass is very hard to do. You'd have to be some cosmic god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906094
Assassin gets wrecked by a middle aged man and Saber gets beat up by a school teacher. Cope more servant asskisser

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906069
Destroy != death

[Anonymous No.]

>>41905868
>>41905846
I wish it was closer to the manga, it still felt kinda "meh" compared.

>>41905947
I've had alot of fun reading the metro spinoffs, cool post apo setting, just needed a different writer to make it click for me. Otherwise books are honestly fucking dull most of the time - painful regurgitation. Only thing I read aside from VNs is the Overlord LNs these deays

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906076
Yeah, it's completely wrong on important plot details. Read a synopsis of the two routes maybe, there has to be one somewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>*mention a certain scene here*
>*someone makes a meme out of it two days later*
Huh...

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906094
if an author wants something to happen it'll happen

if Nasu wants Miyako to suddendly appear in FGO, punch Qirinus, Arjuna alter and Orion into submission without suffering a single scratch and then destroy the Outer God with the power of cuny in a beam form he'll fucking do it. I don't know how the fuck can you be so openly an underage faggot who thinks power levels are real

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906121
fuck

I swear to god, if you are just a fucking autist who considers lore to be "important plot point", when I already remember all things related to lore, I'll fucking kill you

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906125
>Miyako to suddendly appear in FGO, punch Qirinus, Arjuna alter and Orion into submission without suffering a single scratch and then destroy the Outer God with the power of cuny in a beam form he'll fucking do it
KINO

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906125
NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906125
>if Nasu wants Miyako to suddendly appear in FGO, punch Qirinus, Arjuna alter and Orion into submission without suffering a single scratch and then destroy the Outer God with the power of cuny in a beam form he'll fucking do it. I don't know how the fuck can you be so openly an underage faggot who thinks power levels are real
I would actually read FGO if this happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906101
school teacher was buffed to hell and back though. Assassin's a jobber class

>>41906125
lmao, why would u defend bad writing? Power levels can be real depending on who's doing the writing - Uro did it just fine. I know Nasu doesn't really abide by them. I also don't mind it if it makes sense like Shirou vs Gilga but openly contradictory retardation of Shirou beating Zerker while Archer couldn't "just cause" is plain lazy writing. Nasu simply gives 0 fucks about his universe or the people that read it

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906134
what

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906157
>school teacher was buffed to hell and back though. Assassin's a jobber class
Quite literally just a cope. It is an objective fact that Saber was outskilled by Kuzuki on a pure fighting/technical level. All Caster did was make his fists buff/strong so he could punch her armor and shit without breaking his bones. Also if you consider that Assassin is a jobber class (which it is), the whole "servants are super special/strong/blah blah" spiel becomes false on the spot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906125
already better than FGO's writing since Miyako is a better character than the fag MC FGO has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906157
Berserker in HF is weaker because he had the grail aids curse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906157
>Power levels can be real
>in the universe where its stablished that the canon characters can get BTFO easily if the circumstances are not favorable to them

>ITS LAZY WRITTING
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAH
who the fuck are you to critisize nasu's writting as "lazy" because you don't like it and don't understand what happens? I swear to fucking God...

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906157
>Nasu simply gives 0 fucks about his universe or the people that read it
Oh yes, he has spent decades of his life writting it because...
Because...
Well, he just has! without zero interest an motivation

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906181
He's trying his best to save the world bro...

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906196
I mean FGO is a lazily written story in general so I imagine that was the case with FGO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906179
>all caster did was buff someone's body to be near a servant
servants are humans with lol, lmao tier bodies, including eyesight and reaction time
of course If you buff someone's body with hilarious amounts of magic they'd be able to go toe to toe
it's like saying a normal human can't beat a tank
but a normal human in an IFV could.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906179
>assassins
they're jobbers in a battle royale scenario, because everyone knows there's an assassin around. Can't assassinate anyone if everyone's constantly on guard about it - outside of HGW assassins would be actually bullshit - presence concealment into undodgeable OHKs.
>outskilled
Duh. Martial art and technique evolution means servants should be outclassed in skill/technique facing modern masters - humans tend to not have the speed and destructive power to go along with it though so it means jackshit usually.

>>41906184
>grail aids curse
isn't it infinite mana rather than a curse? Should have been stronger than his fsn counterpart

>>41906189
reading comprehension

>>41906196
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906181
Recently I've grown to be fine with Ritsuka. Mostly because in lostbelt he reminds me a bit more of Hakuno, in the sense that both are almost silent protagonists, but he has been getting more and more agency and slowly being separated from the player as his own character.
Another topic is his idealism and unwillingness to compromise or take actions that are questionable, which I just find boring as fuck in any character, but we'll see

>>41906212
fuck you know? You refuse to read it

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906213
Who are you quoting shitposter-kun? Rin literally kicked Caster at one point. So much for "lmao tier bodies". There are several examples of humans with autism embarrassing servants in F/SN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906221
>isn't it infinite mana rather than a curse? Should have been stronger than his fsn counterpart
Weaker. Had no godhand

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906244
>caster
again an exception to the lol lmao body rule

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906256
>point out something
>i-it doesn't count!
Maybe servants just aren't that good?

[Anonymous No.]

Page 10 time = Democracy time.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/ajnEN951mgW

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906244
>>41906213
>>41906179
Depends on the work
In apocrypha you could see Astolfo, weak for servant standars, not giving half a shit about the chains his master had put him in during rape, and then you see the servants doing extremely fucking bonkers shits and flying around DBZ style in a way you never see in FSN

In Redline or FGO you have servants being absolutely untouchable by humans, evading bullets and being inmune to anything a mortal can throw but otherwise being way more limited than in apocrypha

In Extra, if we only consider the original psp game, they are are probably at their shittiest level and pretty much are just humans with really good skills, making it so an empress with autism and migraines or an evil fox housewife can defeat one of the strongest knights to have ever lived

Seriously, stop thinking about consistency. I think its pretty obvious that servant powers are whatever the fuck Nasu wants at each moment

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906224
Nice strawman, gachafag. FGO is garbage and that you admitting to liking it shows how trash your taste is. Good Nasu written stories have the MC written for it in mind and have the world and characters around him written with it in mind. FGO already fails as a story with the first chapters not even addressing this and having the MC be an inhuman camera that doesn't have any concern for their families or friends that died due to the incineration of humanity. The concept and investment in the story fails there if the audience can't relate or empahize with a character that doesn't show emotions besides superficial ones later on. FGO is a lazily-written and contrivance-ridden story that only sun-cost fallacy retards would enjoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906344
>Nice strawman, gachafag
I'm not gonna read the rest and I don't know why the fuck I should

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906290
>about the chains his master had put him in during rape
wait what. I only watched the anime for some dumb reason and I don't remember this

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906344
sunk-cost*

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906362
Celenike has the hots for Astolfo and has kinky BDSM sessions with him in the yggdmilenia castle dungeon (and its implied she tortures homunculi to the point of death for pleasure). In the anime she's shown just rubbing all over Astolfo and licking his naked body while he's chained, and while he is mostly bored Astolfo doesn't seem to be really against it or put any opposition, but when he is dismissed he just proclaims "okay, seeya" and breaks the iron cuffs without effort as if they were made of paper before dressing and leaving

Apocrypha is quite interesting, as it is about the concept of "love between master and servant" and all the forms this love can take place, from the kind of "innocent first love" between sieg and jeanne, the love between a father and a son with Kairi and Mordred, adult saerious romance between Amakusha and Semiramis, respect between a teacher and a student between chiron andFiore or unrequited feelings from Fran to Caules. In the Case of Celenike its clearly impure lust. Makes me wonder how the fuck would have people reacted if instead of a hot girl and a funny trap it would have been a Man as the master licking the body of a young girl servant

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906290
>Apocrypha
lmao
>FGO
Irrelevant
>Extra
Virtual world with completely different rules. Also Nero and Tamamo are still Servants, so what the fuck does that prove? Besides Gawain is at best the third most famous Arthurian figure (more like fifth, to be honest), compared to THE most famous hero in all of human history being repelled by a fake Servant and killed by a mere human (twice) Gawain jobbing is not that far-fetched.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906344
The gachafag pattern is to read a dozen chapters of pure garbage only to occasionally waltz into a half-decent section and then delude yourself into thinking what you're actually playing is any good. It's the ultimate form of stockholm syndrome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906359
Sums up gachafags well that they can't even read a paragraph. Go fuck off to your containment general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906475
Sums up my issues with FGO in general well. They just eat garbage at the start and find something they like to keep going when any sane person would've quit when they read the garbage at the start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906461
if your opinion only serves to dismiss others and halt discussion with no room for debate then its a fucking shit take that's not needed. Next time do a favor and stick up your ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906452
kinda a dick move for him to break the scene when he was fine going along with him

[Anonymous No.]

>room for debate
NTA but what fucking debate? Nasu shits all over his writing, nothing's ever concrete and things change depending on his whims. There's no point discussing nasuverse, ever. Waste of fucking time

[Anonymous No.]

name a cooler urban fantasy setting with so much background shit to make fan theories with
it's why Harry Potter is so popular despite the writing being inconsistent and retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>41906475
>>41906492
>>41906492
>>41906501
lol, i don't care
You seethe like aspies unable to accept other's opinions. FGO is good and Nasu is right. Your cope actually makes you inferior, as you are unable to discuss the nasuverse due to not knowing shit about it like this retard >>41906528
>"waste of fucking time"
more like "I don't know fucking shit about the world and lore because I haven't read shit from it in decades" and can't deal with it

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>>41906551
here's your (You). The only good part of F/Go is China belt by Urobuchi. You can hang yourself after you finish reading it

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>>41906543
Yes, I love Tsukihime too.

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>>41906543
Actually I can't, nasuverse really is my favorite setting for urban fantasy. Like, for example, I enjoyed the persona games, but their lore doesn't hold a candle to all that's in type moon, the fact that all works are more or less connected thematically by virtue of the bullshit of "parallel universes are canon" is actually great and allows for a lot of freedom in writting stories that enrich the setting and lore

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>>41906568
>ITS SHIT!
>except for the part I liked
anon, what if I told you there are people who like different things from you?

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>>41906551
>Nasu is right
Yes, Nasu is right that FGO is a story you forget as soon as you put down the phone unlike the VNs.

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>>41906503
>him to break the scene when he was fine going along with him
wat
anon, did you have a stroke?

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>>41906581
what if I told you their taste is simply fucking shit?

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>>41906568
I thought LB1 was pretty enjoyable

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>>41906591

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>>41906594
I meant her on the last word

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>>41906597
answer that yourself anon, you can do it

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>>41906568
That shit lowered my opinion of Urobuchi. And I love FZ.

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>>41906617
ah
Well, if you want my theory Astolfo was fine with being raped by Celenike but he found the sex boring, so he aceeded to it mostly out of obligation towars her as his master. So yeah, indeed a dick move of Astolfo to show that he wasn't really enjoying it, but what would he do? Celenike was satisfied anyway, as she was the one who said "that was nice, this'll be all for today" before Astolfo left

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>>41906543
And that's the problem with most of Nasuverse as of right now: it's not urban fantasy. It's either virtual bullshit, historical period piece or (even worse) an alt history period piece. We were never meant to see Heroic Spirits back when they were alive (sans EMIYA), especially not Age of Gods Heroic Spirits. A lot of preconceptions about Fate crumble to dust when you travel back to 3000 BC and Classes and firmly defined NPs are a real thing and not just HGW game rule.

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You must be pretty pathetic and lonely to come on here and sperg out about FGO gachafag. You do know that the majority of us don't care or talk about it. You just want the attention as you have nothing else going on in your life. Not going to spare another (You) for you.

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>>41904788
PFFFFHAHAHAHAHA edginess? where's the edginess with them. There's barely any at all compared to this tortured violated wormslut who is forced to shoulders all evils of the world and the retarded autist ginger who is conflicted by his ideals forcing to him kill whom he cherishes most. HF is raw edginess nothing can beat it. Not even Muv Luv Alternative

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>>41906650
well, that's your opinion

My favorite nasuverse work right now is Redline and I find "alternative history" stories in general to be fucking great and I enjoy them inmensively.
Now, I know that because you have tremendous autism this post will confuse you and you'll try to insult me for liking something that you don't, declaring "shit taste!" and chimpuit massively. I urge you to take a deep breath and just accept that your opinion is neither "right" nor "wrong" and that others can like different things. I know its literally fucking impossible, but maybe I'm just a romantic after all

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>>41906626
have you seen the other f/go chapters? China is such a massive improvement in comparison I genuinely dunno how can it lower your opinion of him

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sex with saber

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>>41906669
and I should care because...?

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>>41906543
Raildex

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>>41906677
at least that manga has good art and Okita so that's not bad. Better than FGO

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This thread is yet another reminder that gachaniggers being subhuman is not merely just a meme but reality.

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>>41906685
which

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>>41906710
rent free

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>>41906702
>Better than FGO
rent free by this point
man, it has truly broken you to know people like it, don't you?

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>>41906710
they already proved that they just want attention in this thread so anything else they post should be dismissed. Everyone should ignore them like I will from now on.

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>>41906711
the original

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>>41906721
>projection of this fucking caliber
if you truly wanted that you wouldn't have made that post, my fucking sides

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>>41906677
You know that Redline is still a HGW and not meeting their true version like FGO does. Contrary to fgo it doesnt take away the core concept of FSN. Heroes are confronting and challenging their respective ideals.

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>>41906727
Good
Nero is my wife

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41906719
No, I just acknowledge it as shit and move on with my life. I don't seethe about like a retard like you do whenever someone bad mouths it. You can shit on F/SN or other TM works and I won't sperg about it like you do. Grow up and experience other media.

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>>41906735
You have no fucking clue what FGO is about, nigger, just give it up

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>>41906742
refer to >>41905631 and try to not make people laugh when you explain how are you not seething like a child right now

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41906750
Imagine sucking so much dick that you defend anyone saying anything bad about FGO. Gachafags truly are deranged. I've never seen anyone as pathetic on here as you.

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>>41906695
Beyond the excess lolis (and the terrible fanservice that accompanies them) and bad physics is the fucking prose which is composed of some of the most god awful writing this one has had the displeasure of reading
The author also has an instinctive propensity for tossing anyone remotely interesting to the wayside to focus on Touma and anyone else he converts to his fucking cult.

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>>41906742
>>41906783
>You can shit on F/SN or other TM works
No, why would I?
I don't shit on any works because I liked them all with the exception of fucking Extella, but you'll certainly won't find me vomiting all over a thread if I ever find someone who liked it.
Kinda like you are doing right now
cry more bitch nigga

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>>41905793
I think Ryogi gets shilled by Nasu mostly due to Void Ryogi that never does anything. Being able to see points vs not being able to see points is a big fucking difference, I don't think Ryogi would be able to kill Nrvnqsr, katana or not, cause you can cut the lines on him all day and it's not gonna do much. Of course Void Ryogi could simply erase the plot of Tsukihime and Nrvnqsr along with it on her way to a boxing match with Archetype Earth, we'll just never know how or why.

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>/a/ reaction images

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>>41906820
>how or why.
technically because Void Shiki is the root and implied to have unlimited power akin to a sorcerer, but hoenstly I don't fucking know, its been a fucking decade since I saw kara no kyoukai, maybe I should rewatch it, but I remember not really enjoying it and being a bit bored with it
Maybe I'll like it more this time around now that I'm not an inmature fag

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does zelretch ever do anything other than look at his interdimensional television

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>>41906801
I'm still coping with how bad the Kaguya-sama ending was.

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>>41906820
you'd only need to cut his lines 666 times no?

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>>41906829
it's a good watch for the atmosphere and music, but the plot and dialogue scenes haven't aged well with Touko's long exposition scenes are boring. I still love a lot of the shots and most of the scenes.

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>>41906543
Steins gate verse.

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>>41906846
Come on anon, it was just fucking boring, there's nothing really worth being upset over
It was literally a "nothing". Everything goes exactly as predicted, no real last surprise or anything fun happening. At least I smiled a bit when I saw that Chika wanted to marry a sumo wrestler, but overal a big fucking "meh, glad that's over", definitely not something that made me mad or that I would still be coping

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>>41906820
>Void Ryogi could simply erase the plot of Tsukihime and Nrvnqsr along with it on her way to a boxing match with Archetype Earth, we'll just never know how or why
She can't. She is still limited by her magic circuits and magical energy. Manaka has the same connection to the Root and she can't affect the world on that scale unless she has something like a Grail. Characters are still subject to things like the law of equivalent exchange.

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>>41906844
Sort of defeats the Crimson Moon. Stalks Arc. Makes the grail war possible. Saves Rin's ass at the end of HF.

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>>41906855
Cutting a line doesn't kill you, not directly anyway. And Nrvnqsr's sewer gators and hotel sharks are a lot more durable than your average KnK antagonist.

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>>41906877
>She is still limited by her magic circuits and magical energy
how are you so sure about that? Her Profile in FGO certainly doesn't say anything of that kind and her appearence actually hints more at "she could be absolutely omnipotent, but actually materializing as a servant has weakened to the point that she can't, but mostly doesn't want to, use her powers"

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>>41906855
>>41906820
couldn't she cut the very concept of his fusion rather than him? Ain't her eyes supposed to be better at seeing the supernatural/vague/concept stuff like this? Like how she severed the future in mirai fukuin, pretty sure she could kill him without killing him, ignoring the amount of lives.

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>>41906868
It was a bunch of nothing and loose ends 100~ chapters of peak romcom.
I know Nasu is a hack, but at least he isn't Aka level of hack.

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>>41906909
fair enough
but I still didn't think it was anything to loose any sleep over, I don't know if you were expecting something amazing for the ending, because I didn't really

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>>41906908
>kills nsqsnwvvqqr by cutting his fusion
>explodes into an entire zoo of magic animals

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>>41906100
Nah they just freeza the planet and watch her suddenly have no support. Especially if you can casually do it she can't handle all of it at once. Even Ciel says you need a weapon capable of destroying the planet to defeat her.
>Cosmic God
Absolutely not necessary since most teleportation in fiction is merely herp derp you move.

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>>41906903
>how are you so sure about that?
Because the law of equivalent exchange is a universal law and Ryougi has a physical body, so she is part of the material universe.
Manaka can also warp reality but the world itself has more energy than her so it corrects her changes.
Void herself said she wouldn't be able to kill a Beast of Gaia in that very FGO event you're quoting.

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>>41906113
It wasn't even in the manga.

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Does mashu's black barrel work similarly to the mystic eyes of death perception?
Not gonna lie, I got a bit lost reading the info dump when she first deployed it

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what happens if you throw nrvnsqr into a trash compactor made of a strong metal like diamond so he can't just break it

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>>41906954
it would be extremely painful

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>>41906928
heh. Would they even maintain any kind of shape? I didn't exactly mean it literally, just something akin to the very idea of his being - I wonder what would happen if she killed the concept of "chaos" within him? Would he just.. implode with animal parts that no longer have anywhere to be stored inside him/trying to manifest all at once now that the fluctuating state of "chaos" is gone?

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>>41906908
Would that even work if Nrvnqsr's transformation is already finished? It's not like he's actively using it like Fujino's ESP or Mitsuru's precognition. There is a difference between interrupting the process and destroying the result.
>she severed the future
She destroyed his prediction, which was merely that and not the actual future. Nasuverse is not determenistic so it's not like a singular future even exists to be destroyed.

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>>41906591
I forgot he thinks that way kek.

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>>41906938
oh. I just skimmed through the chain and assumed it was the hallway shatter scene.

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>>41906909
Kaguya peak romcom you're kidding, right? hardly the rom was never good and too much dramafest. And the com was funny at first but became repetitive it being dull.

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>>41906936
I'm still not fully convinced, I'll go rewatch kara no kyoukai and maybe see if I can dig in the FGO records, but I still think she is meant to be really OP. Maybe I'll retract "omnipotent", but my logic is more of
>If a magus reaches the root the adquire true magic and become a sorceror, who accomplish extremely bullshit feats that are way beyond the power of mere humans
>Void shiki IS the incarnation of the root
>therefor, Void shiki is at least as powerful as someone with true magic
and I really doubt magic circuits could be a limitation
Again, you'll have to forgive my retardation in case I don't remember something well (outside her fgo profile page, which I'm reading right now) but overal I'm not convinced that Void shiki is unrightfully hyped by nasu

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>>41906929
>Nah they just freeza the planet and watch her suddenly have no support
Anon, planck length is the highest point for energy itself. To give you a perspective an atom compressed to planck length has the same mass as a star. In this scene in Ciel's route the entirety of this ball of light you're seeing is compressed to planck length. You can have quadrillions of solar masses and it's still going to be less than a drop compared to the enegy Arc is manipulating in this very scene. Arc can unironically beat Frieza by raising her energy density high enough.
>Even Ciel says you need a weapon capable of destroying the planet to defeat her
A conceptual weapon accorrding to Ciel. Yet in Ciel's True we saw Arc being able to remove the conceptual death of the planet with Event Storage, so even that isn't a sure win.
>Absolutely not necessary since most teleportation in fiction is merely herp derp you move
Depends but I think you'd need to have the feats to actually be able to teleport something with the density of a star or higher. Those aren't easy to come by. Also bear in mind past a certain point in terms of magical energy you can pretty much warp reality. Tiamat for example has 7 Grails worth of magical energy and she can travel between stars.

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>>41906991
>hardly the rom was never good and too much dramafest
The first 100 chapter are pretty good in both the rom and the com. After that, the author's wife left him and he started adding a bunch of drama shit with no payoff.
If it ended around the part where they kiss, Kaguya-sama would be remembered as a masterpiece.

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Did you autists make like 300 posts while we're on page 10?

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>>41906974
If it was just a prediction, destroying it wouldn't stop it from happening, no? I understood it as her destroying a future he tried to force on her.
>would that even work
It should? iirc his transformation isn't ever "finished", he's constantly changing. Though no clue what kinda effect it'd even have on him, maybe he'd just degenerate into a chaotic blob that can no longer maintain a shape or perform any coherent action because all the jumbled up minds contradict each other.

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>>41907011
If Void was omnipotent Nasu wouldn't have ranked Arc above her. Again, Manaka also has a connection to the Root, but if you have a physical body you're going to be subject to the laws of the universe. That's the same issue Kiara ran into in TsukiRe despite being "omnipotent in this dimension".

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>>41906903
>My waifu can totally kill everyone but is lazy
Why are ryougifags like this?

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>>41907067
It's a tradition in Nasuverse. See Gilfags

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>>41907067
lol. It's always the same argument they've been peddling for decades.

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>>41907061
actually I know fuckall about manaka since I haven't started Prototype yet

>>41907067
Not a ryougifag but yes, that's correct
My waifu nero is the strongest ever

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>>41907014
And while she's boosting to freeza level he spams a million planet busters into the earth. Good luck catching them all.

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>>41907061
>Kiara ran into in TsukiRe
kiara appears in the tsukihime remake?
nice, she's one of my favorite characters
If its big spoilers don't tell me anything tho

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>>41907100
Why would Frieza do that? It's not like he has a grudge against Arc.
Besides, destroying the physical Earth won't destroy the Inner Sea. See LB7

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what are you going to do if the Far Side Remake doesn't come out for the next Olympics?

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>>41907061
>If Void was omnipotent Nasu wouldn't have ranked Arc above her
Nasu also said that Cu is "an average Servant". Arc is probably ranked above because she is a hell of a lot more durable than Ryogi in any form. Void or not, you can still kill Ryogi with a handgun if she doesn't actively defend herself.
>Manaka also has a connection to the Root
So what? So does Roa (in a manner of speaking) but these are not the same thing. Manaka can no more serve as a yardstick for Void Ryogi or vice versa than Servant A can be a yardstick for Servant B.

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>>41907142
>See LB7
Bleh, I meant LB6.

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>>41907126
she raped shiki in one bad ending

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>>41907155
astronomically based

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>>41907061
She's not the incarnation of Akasha. It's more that she's a will born in the empty vessel that leads to it. As for Manaka, he's right. If Shiki tried any of the shit she was theorizing about in the epilogue the world would probably no sale her because of time locks and other protections. Black Iri has the same connection to the root as she does(Though a lower rank) and she's likewise far from omnipotent. Shiki is probably buffed as a servant if anything, like Fujino.

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Hey, careful with the LB6 spoilers. I'm still waiting for it to come to NA to read it.

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>>41907152
>Manaka can no more serve as a yardstick for Void Ryogi
I think she can. They literally have the same ability.

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>>41907126
She's Doctor's Boob's friend.

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>>41907142
Because it's power level faggotry. Would the inner sea survive? Isn't it technically just a different texture of the planet?

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>>41907150
Nasu will make the call to delay the Olympics if it looks like that's going to happen.

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>>41907150
I will fly to Japan, track down Nasu, and politely ask why it's taking so long.

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>>41907182
>tfw Nasu causes another Corona outbreak
God have mercy...

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Ryougi's ability is wish-granting. She's closer to a holy grail than a deity bros.

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>>41907181
The Inner Sea can't be reached by anything, including Ea, the 5 Magics and the incineration of humanity. You need to have some special privilegues to get to it.

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I think it's time for another Castoria OP

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>>41907197
Sorry, the people have spoken and made the wrong choice. But they made that choice, anyways.

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>>41907194
And remember that the statement was about her power regarding the characters that appeared in his works minus servants. And it wasn't about her ability to fight in anyway whatsoever(which is mediocre at best).
As for Nero. He eats her and she dissolves him from the inside probably because of her enlightenment themes or whatever.

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>>41907212
>As for Nero. He eats her and she dissolves him from the inside probably because of her enlightenment themes or whatever.
No, she actually convinces him to become a protector of children, like Buddha did to human-eating demons.

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>>41877277
>https://imgur.com/a/XkAt3kS
It's been maybe 5 years or so since I've read prisma illya. I didn't even realize there was new content. How far behind am I?

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>>41907212
>chaos consumes emptiness/void
hm. can see it

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>>41907035
Looks like it LMAO

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>>41907126
It's literally a paragraph. So a cameo mention. She'd probably be interesting in tsuki though going off of it.

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>>41907222
it goes at a snail pace, but its a completely different manga now. I recommend that you read it tho, I've grown to like it for the lore autism and badass action scenes, the cuny was always overrated as fuck

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enough about this can shiki kill X discussion
let's talk can shirou kill X inside UBW or how long he can stall Y inside UBW with max archer + Rin buffs

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>>41907176
You think that was the monster of a woman she mentioned...? I thought maybe it was Rita or something.

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>>41907181
Actually, you're right now that I think about it. Destroying the planet from space might be able to defeat Arc since she isn't aware of stuff outside the Earth's gravity sphere, that's why Calvaria Star escaped her awareness.
Also why aliens are so dangerous to the planet. Though, I'm willing to beat Arc also has countermeasures against aliens, considering Archetype in FGO deals extra damage to Foreigners and the entire reason for Earth creating Excalibur was to have a counter against aliens.

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>>41907220
I'm just going off the melty blood scene where he eats her and starts yammering about amala or something and her body being poison.

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>>41907251
Yeah strikes from space should work. It's interesting because Excalibur was made for the protection of humans while Arc was I guess made for the planet.

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could arc beat the BETA on earth

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>>41907238
Can Shiki kill Shirou in UBW? I feel like his fight against Vlov would have some similarities at least as far as cutting projectiles. I guess he could kill the reality marble itself.

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>>41907150
it's to be expected at this point since type-moon can't handle more than one project at a time. don't they mentioned recently they are focusing on mahoyo instead of tsukihime?

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>>41907265
kek, I think she probably could. Their primary advantage is numbers which shouldn't really matter.

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>>41907271
lol no fgo

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Could Arc beat Battler in a debate?

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>>41907280
a toddler could beat batora in a debate

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>>41906344
I don't know why gachabros cope over their insert being retarded. I guess retarded would still be more character than they have but that's just how it is meant to be. Even when there is a glimpse of something, it's gone by the next event. It's not a hill worth dying on.

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Could Arc beat my dick faster than any other Tsukihime character could?

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>>41907251
>>41907259
>Excalibur goes from a mere A++ NP, not even Saber's strongest or truly magical one, to the super-special sword forged to fight something that killed 80% of gods, humans and animals
I guess this is why Nasu got all autistic about being able to project it to the point of trying to retcon it

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>>41905947
The Boogiepop light novels are great and very close to the Nasuverse in terms of atmosphere and themes (also release dates), I think the vast majority who like either of the two will like the other as well. Not "real literature" but it's a great gateway to "real literature" from visual novels.

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>>41907271
They said Tsukihime is proceeding quietly or something. I forget exactly but the sense was that they should ask about it at a later date and Mahoyo was the focus at the moemnt.

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would shirou and shiki be able to survive a Danganronpa
the walls of the school are covered in a special undeathable paint btw

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>>41907243
That's how I read it but you could be right. Unless you're just trying to trick me into thinking Arach is Sumire.

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>>41907267
wouldnt killing the marble fry his brain? He'd lose inside it if he cant immediately kill it anyhow

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>>41906575
Megaten itself gets a lot closer to Nasuverse-tier lore, though. Persona is just a subset of the greater Megaten universe.

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>>41907313
he killed arcs connection to earth in an unknown radius
could probably do the same to shirou

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>>41907322
he kills the leyline, no? And that almost does him in, hell he barely does it to a hallway - envisioning the death of a world is on a scale so different he'd become a vegetable even if he managed to do it

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People playing down Shiki killing the hallway are just too afraid to admit the truth that he killed Roa's legs at the same time.

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>>41907332
dude cuts all sorts of weird shit in the remake including whatever the fuck Ciel's fort thing was called again. he'll be fine

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>>41907322
But destroying UBW doesn't instantly depower Shirou. If Shirou has already fired 30 swords at Tohno destroying the RM wouldn't save him. As for close combat if Crane Wing works on Saber Tohno wouldn't be able to weasel his way out of it even in Nanaya mode.

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sounds like we need another remake of all the older works to powercreep EVERYONE

[Anonymous No.]

Why would Shirou and Shiki fight when they would rather kiss each other?

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no

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>>41907313
>>41907267
to be fair I can't see him letting Shirou finish the chant to begin with - it would end with Shiki slicing Rho Aias in half and killing him on the spot.

>>41907346
Destroying the RM destroys the swords aswell pretty sure? Though he'd still get btfo if he cant defend due to backlash.
>Crane wings
They'd both die.

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>>41907346
tohno could probably cheese out a double KO like he did ciel in a bad ending

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>>41907354
to establish who's on top, obviously.

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>>41907354
There's not a single piece of evidence that indicates that Shiki is anything other than 100% heterosexual.

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>>41907370
How do you explain this CG?

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>>41907359
>Destroying the RM destroys the swords aswell pretty sure
Not the ones he's already using, just the ones that are "ready and waiting". So he has to destroy it instantly which is not very likely.

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Shiki vs. Shirou
"If powers are at max and we ignore the point of self-destruction caused from overflow then Shiki will win. No matter how much Shirou makes swords, Shiki will keep 'killing' them. It's a different story if it's possible to use a 'Mana Burst' like Excalibur."

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>>41907370
shiki is fond of red haired retards with survivor's guilt

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>>41907377
A literal edit by some fujo.

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>>41873819

Avalon la Fae is by far the most absolute garbage content that Nasu has written thus far, and the fact that it is carried by a single fucking character (Artoria Caster) shows that it fails to create an interesting world or interesting side-characters. I genuinely see it as an excuse to just draw 100 fucking versions of the same dumb shit artoria dumb tsudere bitch.

genuinely the WORSE of the lostbelts, and that says a lot.

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>>41907387
>genuinely the WORSE of the lostbelts
There's no way you actually thought it was worse than LB2

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>>41907295
>I guess this is why Nasu got all autistic about being able to project it to the point of trying to retcon it
what do you mean?

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>>41907332
No, he killed the world itself on a conceptual level. Also, a Reality Marble is already a world that's falling apart and much lesser than the current world that's far more well stablished.
Besides, Shiki frying his brain has never been a factor, it literally never happened.

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>>41907396

at least lb2 tried to put actual characterization into all of its sidecharacters instead of blantant waifuization of everyone and continously forcing the same goddamn idea in your face.

and fucking retconning the entire point of the end of part 1 too LMFAO

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>>41907382
Another bullshit answer from Nasu.
Shiki has one (1) arm to swing with.
The physical range of his swing is rather short.
His physical strength and agility are very impressive for a human but that's it, less than Shirou can leech by tracing (I can't imagine Shiki even being able to lift up Heracles' axe-sword let alone swing it).
So how the fuck is he supposed to defend against dozens of swords being fired at him at once when even Lancelot was limited to what, 20? There is a limit to how many individual swords he can cut up a second, and because the swords are individual he has to cut them individually.

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>>41907407
what the hell were his pounding headaches the better his eyes got then

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>>41907420
Shiki manages against Vlov's icicle spam just fine.

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>>41907381
>the ones he's using
The ones he's holding then? Any projected swords flying at him would disappear as they're part of UBW/their trajectories exist only in UBW(?)
But yeah, since he can't tank homing swords or insta break it, he loses when UBW is cast. I can't see a situation where he actually lets Shirou use it tho.

>>41907382
he can't keep up with the swords coming from every direction if he barely kept up with Vlov' frontal barrage.

>>41907407
was it rewritten in remake then? haven't read Ciel's yet. Or is my memory just fucky? I'm 99% sure he's severed he leyline in the OG, removing her connection to the earth as there was nothing she could connect to in the vicinity.
>never happened
he fries it in Kohaku's good end going blind for weeks

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>>41907407
To be fair, he does fuck himself up pretty badly in Hisui's good end and goes blind for like a week.

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>>41907426
Hisui's good end* derp.

>>41907425
Vlov was frontal, Shirou can make them appear from anywhere and steer them mid-air

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shiki vs me (I have a Glock)
conditions are bright daylight in a field and he's a 100 meters away
who wins

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>>41907454
shiki

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>>41907454
Reinhard Heydrich

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>>41907462
I'm human so he doesn't get nanaya skillz

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>>41907466
Doesn't matter. He's the protagonist not you.

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>>41907454
You lose because Shiki calls you a fudd and you drop your mag in sheer suprise. He then says you'll never get to fuck your adopted sister or a moon goddess and you turn around and slowly and shamefully walk back home.

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>>41907479
>fudd
>Glock
maybe if I had a 1911

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>>41907486
It's the current year /k/omrade, Glock is the ultimate fudd gun. Fudd is a philosophy, not a year stamped on the receiver.

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>>41907479
>not Shiki convincing him to shoot himself imitating the Saren scene
come on

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Why would Arc and Saber fight when they would rather kiss each other?

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>>41907519
He'd tell you to kill yourself instead though.

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>>41907519
>"There's still one way to marry Ilya. If you've got the guts".

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>>41907529
it's what I said dumbass

>>41907534
KINO
>Thank you, Shikipard

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>>41907529
god why can't I be this cool?

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>>41907540
I read it wrong damn bro don't be so mean.

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>>41907426
>I'm 99% sure he's severed he leyline in the OG
There is no mention of leylines, that's not a concept in Tsukihime.

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>>41907437
ciel route shiki should be able to handle, or at least survive from most fatal injuries caused by getting impaled since he can regenerate (albeit slowly) from pretty fucked injuries.

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>>41907437
>Shirou can make them appear from anywhere
Like Noel? That's literally what she does.

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>>41907596
vamp shiki is giga busted.

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>>41907596
Ciel Route Shiki would probably win or at least draw even in UBW - doubt Shirou could stop or dodge his rush if he wanted to trade. I hear he's even stronger in the remake, too

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>>41907426
>>41907437
So can Vlov actually. And those Ice Spears went up against Ciel's Rifle. Shiki handled the barrage easily the second time because getting grazed by a few started to make Nanaya come out and we all know how ridiculous even him going a little Nanaya is. Arc, Nero, Roa Shiki, saving Noel and so on come to mind.

Even blind, mystic eyes users can still see death and the guys point is Shiki isn't going to typically die mid battle from it because that's boring. As for tanking or insta breaking... killing something instantly stops their momentum and stuff so him slicing the line of a projectile means he doesn't have to deal with the followup. It's quite a useful defensive tool in that regard.

And he killed the world in the area. I don't think just destroying a leyline would do much to Arc's ability to draw vitality of the stars.

As for the actual scenario. I think Nasu is probably right. If Shiki gets close it's GG and unless Shirou pulls out something with collateral damage I think he'd lose. Though now that Shiki can just kill things at range in remake...

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>>41907596
>slow
Dude instantly healed his heart being destroyed before he was even very vampirized.
>>41907621
He was also jumping 100 meters in the air and was keeping up with Ciel while still containing human portions. He's giga busted indeed. And melty makes it sound like Arc ping pongs him into her castle tower or something and lets him fall. He's super durable, look how big that castle is.

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>>41907454
Why would you use a glock instead of something like an AR-15 or AK-47 for that sort of ranged engagement?

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>>41907639
Eh. It also depends which route Shirou I guess - there's technically nothing stopping him from tracing broken phantasm or simply a gun/grenade like in prillya. If Shirou goes full Kiritsugu like this I dunno if Shiki has any viable answer - it'd come down to enviro with closed spaces favoring Shiki.
>killed the world in the area
This makes no sense to me if it wasn't a leyline to be desu, it goes so much above everything else he's done - how the fuck does he visualize the world's death and how does it only work on the vicinity and not the whole thing? Him killing the magical energy/nature in the area also seems to fit in with leyline descripts
>vitality of the stars
I fail to see how stabbing the ground would let him do this regardless lol

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>>41907721
>Him killing the magical energy/nature in the area also seems to fit in with leyline descripts
Arc's back up is different from leylines, which are just the magical energy in the (surface) area. Arc has a connection to the leylines but it's not her lifelink. Her source of vitality comes from the Celestial Egg.
There is a reason FGO separates territory creation (leylines) and world back up (Ultimate One). They are entirely different things.

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>shiki looks at the floor
>I wonder what that point does
>stab
>the planet instantly shatters
this is what shikiwankers actually believe

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>>41907776
He needs to strain himself massively. He was seeing the death of air and space itself before seeing the death of the world,

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>>41907776
It is unironically a reoccurring theme and fear of Shiki...

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>>41907776
>>41905618

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can someone get shiki to kill graph theory this shit is mad gay

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I want to fuck Rin Tohsaka's tight little pussy

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In case you missed it, you can still vote for the next OP.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/ajnEN951mgW

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>>41904921
Both Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night have obnoxious bullshit. I think Fate has more, but that doesn't mean Tsukihime also doesn't have it's own brand too.

The biggest bullshit In Tsukihme is by far stabbing Kohaku to "kill" the poison within her. Yeah fuck that shit is stupid beyond comprehension

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>>41908040
>>41905618

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>>41908046
Shiki killing an abstract concept is very well established, even if it can get a bit silly. The problem is he still stabbed Kohaku

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>>41908062
she's a magic girl she can survive a small stabbing compared to a poisoning
on that note, shiki would be a hilarious surgeon.

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>>41908062
>The problem is he still stabbed Kohaku
No he didn't it was a magic stab that only stabbed poison. Did you magically forget the part where he stabbed himself to kill roa?

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>>41908081
where did the physical knife go

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>>41908088
shadow realm

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>>41908062
it's been well established that it is possible to kill something inside something else without actually harming the vessel as early as KnK.
>>41908070
Apparently it would be boring if Nasu and Takeuchi are to be believed.

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>>41908095
Basically death "perception".

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Is there a complete translation (all routes) of Extra CCC on Youtube? Hard to tell if the stuff I'm seeing is only one route or not

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Can’t believe I’m the first one to wish Nasu a Happy Birthday.

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>>41908170
God bless this most sacred of days.

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>>41908170
Is Takeuchi actually Tohno after he rips his eyes out?

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More pictures of a new gameplay trailer. Will probably show up at the Fate New Years stream. https://twitter.com/daily_hakunero/status/1596868294048358401?s=46&t=JNUVp9nj27JkURdzVIHx9Q

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>>41908427
R-Release date... onegai...
Damn Robin looks good no homo

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English Alice trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwwpfwAydnY

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>...

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>>41908434
Them still just showing Robin gameplay worries me. They probably restarted development or something for it to take this long

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>>41908482
Shut the fuck up.

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>>41908470
>a pure-blooded witch
>daughter of the meinsters
This will be relevant in 20 years.

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>>41908482
*wipes food crumbs off your face*
kissu

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>>41908628
Gay

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>>41908628
You can't have crumbs of rice idiot.

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>>41908482
I look exactly like this

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>>41908663
Where do you think you are?

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>>41908753
/tmg/ is 100% heterosexual

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>>41908761
Most OPs are gay OPs to some degree.

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>the next OP will have two people who were penetrated by Kohaku's fingers in dreams
Kek.

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I skipped this thread because it's becoming too much of an eyesore

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Shiki can kill threads.

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Well, it's getting late, and it doesn't look like this thread will die anytime soon.
For posterity.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/ajnEN951mgW/results

Whoever makes the next OP, use this picture please.
https://twitter.com/0wsaa0/status/1256240912339881984

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>>41908985
No way fag

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>>41908995
Well, use any SFW Hisui/Shiki image, please.

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>>41908951
Should have posted this earlier when fags were saying no one ever talks about Tsukihime or that it doesn't spawn discussion. The whiteboard is eternal proof that tmg can go hard when the right autists want to show their power.

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>>41909302
But does a mosquito become a DAA after drinking Arcueid's blood?

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>>41909341
Cute

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>>41905818
>will wait for the re-translation
By who?
>Gotta be a retarded faggot that gives no shit about Nasu's writing to ruin your own experience
And yet you read the awful translations of Fate and Tsukihime. Or at least you're pretending you did.

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>>41909404
>tsukihime
>awful TL
good joke
>by who
I've some hope for tsuki;re guys doing it once they finish up - I'll wait till they're done to see if they announce anything, otherwise I'll eat up aniplex slop

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>>41907316
for me megaten isn't urban fantasy anymore, it crosses right into full blown fantasy in an apocalyptic setting. It may even more correct to declare it is its own thing

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>>41908427
Nice, I hope we get a release date