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Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:37:13 2010 No.4135412 [Reply] [Original]

People just hate FF13 because it breaks all of their FF games stereotypes and does actually interesting stuff instead of rehashing old shit:

-Female characters are the real heroes of the story. Males are like the old female characters: useless, hopeless and always have to be rescued.
-Hyperactive genki girl is not only not irrelevant, she is basically the main character in the game.
-No main female character is romantically involved with a main male character. Not even in subtext.
-No furries
-Lesbian subtext instead of gay subtext
-Nigger isn't a horrible stereotype
-No artificial game extension by means of pointless backtracking.
-No stupid forced minigames
-You can't win battles by grinding or mashing X

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Wed Jan 13 18:39:13 2010 No.4135425 >-You can't win battles by grinding or mashing X That, sir, is impossible to create.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:39:13 2010 No.4135428 Fascinating.

>>	ZUN !barYV1VtIA Wed Jan 13 18:42:13 2010 No.4135441 Dearest kopipe, FF12 broke all of the stereotypes. They even completely changed the production staff for FF12. I thought it was the best one since FF9, but then again making a better game than FF10 is an easy thing to accomplish.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:42:13 2010 No.4135442 >No towns >No world map >No real exploring

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:42:13 2010 No.4135446 If this is true, OP, I might actually consider playing it. After 12 came out, I was pretty sure I was never going to play another FF game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:43:13 2010 No.4135447 >>4135442 EVEN MORE STEREOTYPES BROKEN

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:44:13 2010 No.4135450 >>4135441 > Best one since 9 That's not saying much. Final Fantasy really is shit tier for the masses now and has been for some time. The last one I actually enjoyed was 8

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:45:13 2010 No.4135455

>-Female characters are the real heroes of the story. Males are like the old female characters: useless, hopeless and always have to be rescued.

This isn't "breaking stereotype"
That's what they call "pandering to your audience" since girls are about the only people who play Final Fantasy any more.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Wed Jan 13 18:46:13 2010 No.4135463 6 was the last good Final Fantasy game. And that was a long time ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:47:13 2010 No.4135466 >>4135455 > girls are about the only people who play Final Fantasy any more. Don't forget metrosexuals. Oh how I wish they'd make a new "real" Phantasy Star game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:48:13 2010 No.4135469 7, 9 and 10 are good. 8 had some good stuffs but it also had far too much flaws.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:48:13 2010 No.4135474 >>4135463 I too believe the SNES era was FF's peak with 4, 5 and 6, but 7 and 8 had their merits. 9 was fucking terrible, and 10 was only bearable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:49:13 2010 No.4135480 Japan hated FFXIII because it sucked hard even in Japanese standards. Take your garbage to /v/

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:49:13 2010 No.4135482

8 was the BIGGEST SHIT PILE ever, if you liked that and hated 7 and 9 you are a fucking retard. Oooh Fight, Magic, Item, OOOH ILL JUST SUMMON SOMETHING EVERY TURN INSTEAD because it does more damage or heals more than anything else. Fuck 8, and fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:50:13 2010 No.4135487 File: 116 KB, 627x476, 1263145341872.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4135482 > he actually used summons

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:50:13 2010 No.4135489 >>4135480 >Japan hated FFXIII >3/5 stars according to Amazon JP, exact same score as Dragon Quest IX and Monster Hunter Tri >2 million copies sold Oh you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:50:13 2010 No.4135490 I prefer dragon quest. am I Japanese yet?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:50:13 2010 No.4135492 File: 496 KB, 630x980, not final fantasy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The last good FF game was 9. Hopefully XIV will take its place.

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:52:13 2010 No.4135496

>>4135482
8 had a lot of flaws. The first 2 discs were enjoyable but I had to force myself to actually finish it. I couldn't do that with 9. Seriously 9 was fucking horrible, and anyone who says otherwise is blinded by nostalgia. I couldn't finish 10 either. I didn't even bother with 12, and I won't touch 13 either I'm guessing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:53:13 2010 No.4135504 >>4135496 >Seriously 9 was fucking horrible, No.

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:54:13 2010 No.4135506

7 was very good.
People hate it because of its fanbase, but it was fucking great when it was released.
First CD in Midgard was one of the best part in any RPG.

8 had a shitty convulsed story, bland characters and shit gameplay.
It had a few good sequences though.

9 tried to go old school too much, it was pretty forgettable as a whole. Battle system felt dated, story was bland, cast was mostly uninteresting and undeveloped, only Vivi could be considered as a great character.

10 is actually not bad at all, managed to create a pretty interesting and solid world, had some pretty interesting and well developed characters and the battle system was pretty awesome.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:55:13 2010 No.4135509 >>4135496 9 isn't old enough to be "nostalgia" material

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:55:13 2010 No.4135511 >>4135504 Oh yes it was. Zidane was an unlikeable faggot. It had a mediocre story, Garnet was a bitch, and Kuja was forgettable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:55:13 2010 No.4135515 What I liked about 8 was that it had a feeling of adventure. 7 had quite a lot of it too, but as for 9, there was none. >>4135509 Someone went nostalgic about Gundam SEED today.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:57:13 2010 No.4135529 >>4135509 Its a decade old now, so most of /jp/ was 9-13 when it came out. Thats nostalgia.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Wed Jan 13 18:58:13 2010 No.4135536 7 was overrated but decent. 8 was Squall. 9 was Zidane. 10 was Tidus and Blitzball. All of the names I listed made the games absolutely horrible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 18:59:13 2010 No.4135539 >>4135529 I can hear the old Anons realization that they are old from here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 19:01:13 2010 No.4135549 >>4135539 I was 19 when FF9 came out. NOW I FEEL OLD THANKS.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 19:08:13 2010 No.4135587 This thread is filled to the brim with faggots

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 19:16:13 2010 No.4135630 >>4135549 I think you should reevaluate how you are spending your time friend

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Wed Jan 13 19:17:13 2010 No.4135642 >>4135630 Stop being a teenager and grow up, retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 19:50:13 2010 No.4135807 I don't want to play the game because the cast does not interest me in the slightest. Sure I will fap to the porn, but that's about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 20:45:13 2010 No.4136108 >>4135642 At least I'm not 30 still blowing all my time on 4chan, try again

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 20:48:13 2010 No.4136118 >>4136108 Any sentence beginning with "At least I'm not" is a vain attempt at "showing the world" how mature you are, when really, everyone knows you're just having a kiddie fight with someone. Nobody cares, you're just barking up the wrong tree

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 20:48:13 2010 No.4136119 >>4136108 >10 years later "...Fuck."

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 20:49:13 2010 No.4136127 >>4136119 >implying this kid is 20 years old Right, then.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 21:05:13 2010 No.4136235 >>4136118 It's okay grandpa, there's no need to get so angry

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 21:07:13 2010 No.4136249 I don't like how FFfans assume everyone who plays jrpgs thinks FF is teh best thing ever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 21:11:13 2010 No.4136275 >>4136249 I think FF4 is the best thing ever The others were shit

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Wed Jan 13 21:17:13 2010 No.4136308 >>4136235 You're so edgy that you probably shit razor blades.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Wed Jan 13 21:18:13 2010 No.4136315 >>4136275 What. FF4/5/6 were the holy trinity of awesome for Final Fantasy. 6 > 5 > 4 Mathematically provable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 21:20:13 2010 No.4136325 >-You can't win battles by grinding or mashing X Actually, I've heard that battles in FFXIII break down to Attack-Attack-Attack for the character you actually do control.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 21:22:13 2010 No.4136340 2D FF > 3D FF Final Fantasy has been steadily going downhill since FF6. Also, there is a >>>/v/ board for video game discussion. Go there, please.

>>	MolesterJim Wed Jan 13 21:55:13 2010 No.4136607 >>4135412 Breaking stereotypes and being 'refreshing' or whatever does not make it good. It just seems decent after X to XII, and it appeals easily, via being SHINY.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 21:57:13 2010 No.4136627 >>4136308 Why do you have to swear so much? Calm down

Anonymous Wed Jan 13 22:02:13 2010 No.4136664

You know, I can see complaints about the main character and some of the gameplay Features, but FFX had perhaps the best World Building of any game I've ever seen. It's not exactly Tolkein, but it's a world full of varying cultures, with few interesting features, a major league sport, and some fantastic scenery. That by itself is an accomplishment.

It also sports a pretty good ensemble cast on minor characters, better than other FF games at least.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 22:04:13 2010 No.4136675 Please, go to /v/. This thread is offtopic here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 13 22:11:13 2010 No.4136739 >>4135463 This.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:05:13 2010 No.4137571 >I'm so edgy and different because I hate popular franchises

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:14:13 2010 No.4137611 >>4137571 Oh you.

Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:15:13 2010 No.4137620

XIII focused more on the story. Aren't you guys tired of the past FFs where you grind and explore explore that are not supposed to be yet, only to find yourself in big trouble and then die right there and there?

The reason it is 'linear' is because it revolves on the idea the the players you control are 'fugitives with nowhere to go'. I doubt that if you're a fugitive you wouldn't be going to Gold Saucer and play games, or maybe go out in the world, meet people -- virtually impractical story-wise. IX was a good game because it presented itself as an 'adventure' game and it didn't pretend to be a love-story filled with unnecessary crap.

Get over it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:15:13 2010 No.4137622 This thread makes me grin like a wolf.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:19:13 2010 No.4137649 >>4137620 >XIII focused more on cutscenes. yup, it sure did.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:19:13 2010 No.4137650 You said all that. Now I love ffxiii.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:21:13 2010 No.4137666 >>4137649 I wouldn't mind if it was a visual novel-- oh wait, it WAS. But I still don't mind.

Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:22:13 2010 No.4137670
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Why don't you people like FF? You are supposed to. Everyone likes FF. It's the law. I don't care if you dislike the story/characters/whatever for your own reasons, you have to like this game because I like it. bawwwww

Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:31:13 2010 No.4137735

>>4137620
>XIII focused more on the story. Aren't you guys tired of the past FFs where you grind and explore explore that are not supposed to be yet, only to find yourself in big trouble and then die right there and there?

Getting the zodiac spear in FF12 at a level where the surrounding enemies could kill my party in one hit and came in freakin' hordes, in a dungeon filled with traps, was probably the most fun I had in an FF outside of 4-5-6.

FF12 was a great direction for the series, seems they fucked all that up though since people don't like games to have any challenge anymore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:33:13 2010 No.4137748 >>4137735 >FF12 was a great direction for the series Get out of /v/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:33:13 2010 No.4137753 Damn children thinking they're edgy by ignoring board rules.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:37:13 2010 No.4137769 >FF13 >game AHAHAHAHAHAH YOU MEAN A FUCKING SHITTY MOVIE RIGHT!?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:38:13 2010 No.4137774 >>4137748 12 was great. You are officially wrong. Now stfu and gtfo.

>>	ZUN !barYV1VtIA Thu Jan 14 00:40:13 2010 No.4137794 >>4137735 Balthier and Fran were better characters than the entire cast of FF8 and FF10 combined. I'll never get the hate for FF12 either. The game gave me hope for the series, but it looks like they'll be crushed thanks to FF13.

Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:41:13 2010 No.4137801

>>4137735
Yeah but once you got the spear the game fucking broke. You could literally one shot everything.

Not to mention the spot with the slimes in the mine. You could set your AI so that the game would literally play itself and level you to 99 overnight.

FF12 was a lot of fun, but it was too fucking easy. Great characters, fun to play, meh story, and 0 difficulty.

FF13 has a much better and more complex story. Overall a better cast (although individually FF12's character's were better), more fun to play, and much more difficult. More emphasis on skill and strategy as opposed to just grindan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:44:13 2010 No.4137812 12 is just Japanese Star Wars. But I love Star Wars, so that's why it's good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:45:13 2010 No.4137820 >>4137753 I don't see any rules being broken. Our only rule is >All things japanese welcome! And we are talking about a japanese video game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:46:13 2010 No.4137831 Fuck this shit. FFXII was the real breakthrough. That MMORPG game style kicked the collective asses of the tired old active battle system bullshit.

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Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:47:13 2010 No.4137837

>>4137812
>12 is just Japanese Star Wars.
That's not Star Ocean, bro.

>>4137735
>FF12 was a great direction for the series
Yes, but the gameplay was kinda off, but I liked it. XIII did justice to XII's 'shortcomings when it comes to the battle system.

And whoever said XIII is as easy as fuck should go play the game. Seriously.

I'd also want to be pegged by Raito-san though. Please give me my dual audio, SE.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:47:13 2010 No.4137838 File: 6 KB, 194x159, itrollu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4137794 >Balthier and Fran were better characters than the entire cast of FF8 and FF10 combined.

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Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:48:13 2010 No.4137844

>>4137801
I got the spear but I never used it until I had created equivalent weapons in other fields. It was more of a trophy for me than a useful item.

The main storyline of FF12 was pretty easy, especially if you did the side stuff first. Doing all the hunts as soon as they appeared was a very different story.

FF12 of course had it's faults. The NA licensing system was pretty fuck stupid, the drop system was good in some places, fuck awful for getting rare drops from very rare enemies. It had some broken items like the acc that reversed item effects/made status effects always land...

but aside from that, it was a refreshing reminder that SE hadn't forgotten about the game for the video. Well, here comes FF13.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:50:13 2010 No.4137853 When did this place turn into low-level weeaboo central?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:50:13 2010 No.4137855 I like how everyone is avoid 11. 11 is better than 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, and 13 combined.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:50:13 2010 No.4137859 Final Fantasy is further evidence that 3D is a bad thing.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:51:13 2010 No.4137866 >>4137855 trollface.png

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Your favorite Anonymous that lives in Bangkok Thu Jan 14 00:53:13 2010 No.4137872
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the devs already said that because of the 360's they had to remove fucking tons of contents due to hardware limitations.

the removed contents together are so much that they could make a new game from them.

http://www.ff-reunion.net/ff/2010/01/13/ff13_developer_interview_part_deleted

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:54:13 2010 No.4137884 >>4137872 Why are they even putting it on 360? Or why not just give the 360 players the shitty game because that's what they deserve?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:54:13 2010 No.4137885 >>4137872 ugh didn't know we had ps3fanboys on /jp/. >hardware limitations yeah it is impossible to make the other version on 4 discs instead of 3. Completely impossible.

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>>	Your favorite Anonymous that lives in Bangkok Thu Jan 14 00:55:13 2010 No.4137891 >>4137885 >i can't read

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:55:13 2010 No.4137892 >>4137884 Because PS3 was a massive failure obviously

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 00:59:13 2010 No.4137922 >>4137872 Expect an International/Complete version for FFXIII then. Today's XIII is actually beta.

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>>	Your favorite Anonymous that lives in Bangkok Thu Jan 14 01:00:13 2010 No.4137927 >>4137922 Yeh thanks to xbox 360.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 01:02:13 2010 No.4137938 Japan hates FFXIII I know because I checked pixiv and XIII has the least fanart of all FF series

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 01:15:13 2010 No.4138011 Touhou hijack on jp? Pray tell, how did it come to this?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 14 01:21:13 2010 No.4138054 I hate it because the battle system is more of a pain in the ass than the innovative spark of genius that they hyped it up to be.

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