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3813267 No.3813267 [Reply] [Original]

European knight versus Japanese samurai. 1 on 1. Who wins?

>> No.3813273

It's honestly a 50/50 game.

>> No.3813275

Shiki can kill servants.

Discuss

>> No.3813277

I kill them with a grenade.

>> No.3813283

BROADSWORDS CAN PIERCE TEH HEAVENS
DISCUSS

PHALANX CAN OPERATE AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT
DISCUSS

>> No.3813304

>>3813267
Are you rude Korean or Chinese?

>> No.3813319

>>3813304

I'm a refined Italian gentleman of aristocratic descent.

>> No.3813321

Why do I see this thread every day now?

>> No.3813326

>>3813319
Napoleon Bonaparte?

>> No.3813327

is that new jewpanise bird?

>> No.3813347

That's it. I'm sick of all this "bastard sword" bullshit that's going on in the 4th Edition system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the 4th Edition system. Here is the stat block I propose for katanas:

(Superior One-Handed Melee Weapon)
2d10 base damage
+5 proficiency bonus
Heavy blade, light blade (counts as both)
High crit, off-hand, reach, versatile

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in 4th Edition, see my new stat block.

>> No.3813353

>>3813347
nice copypasta

>> No.3813356

>>3813353
thanks bro, I found the timing to be juuuuussssttt right.

>> No.3813375

>>3813347

In b4 variations at 1d4chan.

>> No.3813594

bump

>> No.3813613
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>> No.3813960

>>3813283
The butt-hurt is strong in this one.

>> No.3813969

I refuse to believe the best samurai in the damn world would have a shot against even a mediocre knight. They simply can't get through metal armor.

>> No.3813985

>>3813969
They can. They just need to use heavy bludgeoning weapons to do it, which would make them too slow to not be killed first.

>> No.3814033

>>3813969
>Implying the multilayed armor of the samurai wasn't more defensive, cost efficient, and speed efficient than the Knight's armor.

The design of the samurai armor is still being used to day in our modern bullet proof vest. The Eurofags thought, "herf derf, more metal most be more defensive." While the Japs understood that multiple layers literally reduce the force of impact.

Also, the Katana is no joke. You could easily slice a piece of paper in half just by dropping it on a katana at enough speed.

>> No.3814034

let's put these all on the front 'page

>> No.3814040

>>3814033
Actually it wasn't. Samurai armor was just about as heavy but it had massive holes in it. Seeing as you really couldn't get through either with a melee weapon, Knight armor wins.

>> No.3814135

The reason everyone masturbates over the Katana so much is because it was used in an area and period in which no one had shields nor decent armor.

Of course it fucked people up.

>> No.3814153

Knight has been trained his whole life to look for the slightest hole or weakness in a suit of armour, and jam a big pointy bit of metal in it.

Samurai has been trained to chop up unarmoured peasants, and has armour with nice big holes in it.

*nose-twitch*

>> No.3814187

>>3814153
> implying knights only fought knights
> implying samurai only fought peasants

oh god...

>> No.3814200

>>3814153
Knightly combat involves gathering the surrounding peasants, having them kill each other, and then going back to request more troops. Same goes for Samurai.

>> No.3814205

>>3814200

Except Samurai also hired Ninja to kill other Samurai.

Only to be killed by the Ninjae they hired.

>> No.3814206

>>3814153
Knights were prissy rich kids who bought their positions.

Samurai were ambitious men who conquered both philosophy and battle.

>> No.3814222

>>3814206
Knights and samurai overwhelmingly bought into their titles. The only ones that achieved nobility by their own hands did so by serving as minions in such a vicious, loyal, bloody way that they were promoted for their abject usefulness.

Which wasn't that often, in comparison to buying nobility.

>> No.3814230

Knight meant Man at Arms who excelled at his position and was knighted or a group of nobles, depending on the era and location you're using the word. I'm pretty sure that when we're talking about fighting we're talking about the Man at Arms, you stupid fucks.

>> No.3814294

ninjae???? ... im pretty sure the word ninja isnt latin

>> No.3814326

>>3814205
Whereas a Knight went to other Knight and said 'swords at dawn'?

>> No.3814335

>>3814294
Silly Anonymous, of course the ninja originated in ancient Rome, with ninjae infiltrating enemy lines to sow discord and gather information. The main infantry was very slow and careful in acting, engaging the enemy only after the initial information gathering commenced.

>> No.3814372

>>3813347

I genuinely fucking started laughing and almost choked on my pizza rolls, good job anon

>>3813267

Ninja > Samurai > Shaolin Monk > Knight > Peasant

>> No.3814408

>>3814372
Your entire post is a shining tribute to your name.

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>>3814033

Spoken like somebody who gets his idea of medieval armor from D&D.

Hint: Knight armor was layered and cushioned. It's just that the outer layer was made out of steel, which a katana can't do anything against.

Knight weapons on the other hand were designed to be used against other armored enemies.

>> No.3814443

By the looks of it, the Knight has way more articulation than the Samurai.
Knight wins, simply because he can move.

>> No.3814450

>>3814372
welcome to 4chan

>> No.3814454

>>3814372
Apache = Ninja

>> No.3814459

Asians have +2 agility
Asians have +2 agility
Asians have +2 agility

>> No.3814465
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3814465

dunno, knights have heavy armor, attack but are slow.

In the other hand, samurais have an attack bonus against unique units but they aren't that durable.

>> No.3814467

>>3814465
1vs.1, Teutonic Knight rapes Samurai.

>> No.3814470
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3814470

American samurai vs Japanese cowboys

>> No.3814477

>>3814467
What don't they rape?

>> No.3814480

>>3814454
Apache's are badass a TV show ran a simulation on who would win using a military simulator and they said an Apache would beat a Gladiator 667 times out of a thousand.

>> No.3814483

Teutonic Knight is the shit.
I fucking love Teutonic Knights.

>> No.3814484
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3814484

>>3814465
Cataphract was here.
Knights AND samurais are losers

>> No.3814489

>>3814480
>Apache's
>Apaches
Sorry. Using a different computer so I'm trying to get used to the keyboard.

>> No.3814490

>>3814470
>Japanese cowboys
You just broke my mind. Good job.

>> No.3814531

>>3814480
I know what TV show your talking about. It's the same one that simulated a battle between a Samurai and a Viking. The Naginata and the Yumi got all of the Samurai's kills but it was still a close match with like 530~ kills out of a thousand.

>> No.3814532

>>3814484
Byzantines are cool too bro.

>> No.3814536

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanabo
Hey guise, can a Knight tank this?

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3814547

>>3814536

sup?

>> No.3814546

>>3814531

And just how exactly would a samurai come to encounter a viking? They're half a world and 400 years apart.

Do they match them up randomly or something?

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3814558

>And just how exactly would a samurai come to encounter a viking? They're half a world and 400 years apart.

you never played world heroes uh?

>> No.3814568

>>3814558

By the way, the new samurai shodown's got a viking too (but they say the game is horrible, so meh).

>> No.3814574

>>3814558
I always played the nazi robot general

>> No.3814590

>>3814546
It was a simulation of real life martial arts experts that came in and started doing what the real Samurais and Vikings did.
Weapons tested:
Viking Weapons: Great Axe, Long Sword, Spear, Shield
Samurai Weapons: Katana, Naginata, Yumi, Kanabo

Both were tested for there killing efficiency and other things.

>> No.3814598

>>3814590
Details on weapons.

>-The Katana was tested first against three bamboo mats and managed to cut them all in one clean swipe in under half a second. Then, it was tested on pigs and managed to cut through two pigs clean. After this it was against chain mail, which it impacted but failed to defeat. The Viking Axe nearly cleaved its gel dummy in half but bounced off of a solid Samurai helmet in an overhead chop, but it still transferred energy. The narrow and close advantage was given to the axe due to its greater killing power.

>-The Naginata proved itself as a quick ranged weapon by slicing a dummy with several quick cuts, taking off part of the head in one, slashed the face in the second and poked the heart on the last. The Long Sword was very effective, as it made a very deep slash across the back of the head and into the brain cavity in the first, impaled it through the neck on the second and made a final slash across the neck. After Max messed with the head, it fell off the torso, further showing its deadliness. The edge was given to the sword due to its killing power.

>> No.3814599

>>3814598
Continued.
>-The spear was thrown at targets 25 feet away and penetrated wood targets that were several inches thick. Then, two spears were thrown at once and still showed the same amount of penetration. The Yumi bow was shot by Shigematsu at two dummies at 45 feet while calling out his shots, saying where he would hit it and hit his targets. He also wanted to show the Yumi's accuracy by shooting out dummy eyes at 25 feet, which he did successfully. A divided panel gave the edge to the accuracy and range of the Yumi.

>-A round shield proved itself effective as a defensive shield and a bludgeoning weapon. A very large, 35-lb version of the Japanese mythological warclub, the Kanabo, was used by Chan. He was able to shatter a cow's femur and break off a part of the shield, although half of the studs in the club were knocked out in the process. In a comparison of killing ability, the kanabo was given the edge.

If your gonna ask 'why did they use pigs for testing' pigs bone density and strength is really close to a humans.

>> No.3814608

>>3814598
>>3814599
This sounds great. I need to check this show out.

>> No.3814606

>>3814590
>>3814599
I can't get past the whole thing about your English being fucking terrible.

>> No.3814611

>>3814590
The World's Deadliest Warriors. It was pretty bad ass, and so was the Apache Vs the Gladiator one. You don't fuck with Apache's, one thing they're bat shit crazy and two they carry like a dozen bladed weapons on them at any given time. And they still do today. Plus they were quick and had their own style of grappling that was pretty bad assed.

That show also did Yakuza vs American Mob and Knights Vs Pirates. The mob and the Pirates one those matches. The pirates won because they had guns, the Mob won because they had sawed off shot guns and the Tommy Gun was better than the machine gun the Japanese used.

>> No.3814617

>>3814608
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior

>>3814606
>your English
Didn't write it. I just copypasted. I seen the episode but I don't have the time too write such a detailed review.

>> No.3814621

>>3814611
>they carry like a dozen bladed weapons on them at any given time.
I laughed at this scene. The dude was carrying 20 or so daggers.

>> No.3814624

>>3814617
...You're hopeless.

>> No.3814642 [DELETED] 

>>3814033
>You could easily slice a piece of paper in half just by dropping it on a katana at enough speed.
>drop
>at enough speed

Ar you trying to accelerate my gravity, Anonymous!?

>> No.3814646

>>3814033
>You could easily slice a piece of paper in half just by dropping it on a katana at enough speed.
>drop
>at enough speed

Are you trying to accelerate my gravity, Anonymous...!?

>> No.3814659

>>3814621
Seriously, they did though. Apache would fuck your shit up. Also, a lot of the guerrilla tactics employed by the US military forces are based off the Apaches'.

>> No.3814672

>>3814659
We also include tomahawks as military gear.

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