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How good do you think Touhou 12 is compared to the other Touhou games? I have to say that it's one of my least favorites, second only to PoFV.

>> No.3662899

>>>/pooshl/

>> No.3662907

>>3662895
12 is shit (in a bad way).

>> No.3662909

It's fun, but I don't know. The UFO system is different a least. SA is still my favourite.

>> No.3662916

It's shit, I hate that fucking life and UFO system. IN is still the best in my opinion, it was perfectly balanced.

>> No.3662928

I wonder what kind of bullshit life getting system ZUN has planned for the next game

>> No.3662932

UFO system is a piece of shit.

>> No.3662935

It's fun when UFOs aren't leaving with my items.

>> No.3662943
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>> No.3662954

The boss fights are still as great as ever, but the UFO system is a bit rage-inducing.

>> No.3662973

I like UFO more than MoF and SA, if nothing else.

>> No.3662995

>>3662928
He needs to go back to the x points = 1 life system.

>> No.3663035

My personal opinion, EoSD = PCB = SA > IN = StB = UFO >> MoF > PoFV

>> No.3663060

UFO ranks lower than PoFV, for me. The UFO shit makes everything much worse than it needs to be, the sheer number of point items all over the place pisses me off, the slow-as-hell power-up climb is just infuriating, and for once in a Touhou game, the characters and music aren't interesting enough to compensate.

ZUN really dropped the ball with UFO.

>> No.3663091
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I like that ZUN tries new things with his games, I really do. It keeps things fresh.

The UFO system is very hit and miss. If you are good at it, it's very enjoyable and keeps things challenging. But it can also screw you over by getting you killed trying to get UFOs. Pic super related.

Otherwise UFO was nice aside from the silliness with the power gauge. There are some things which ZUN needs to never ever do again, like Shou's ridiculous spinny card.

>> No.3663106

I imagine i'll enjoy the ufo system more when survival isn't my biggest issue

>> No.3663110

>>3663091
>shou's spinny card
for some reason I keep capturing that one

>> No.3663130

I like it

>> No.3663433
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What's this? An actual gameplay thread?

I seem to hold the least popular opinion here. UFO's system is actually more generous than any of the other games', but it takes a lot of getting used to. You really have to hurry up and slow down to take advantage of it, but every UFO is a full screen clear, as well as (possibly) more than a full bomb. Using this system, leaving stage 3 7/7 isn't unheard of.

The patterns themselves are extremely fun at times, and complete bullshit other times. Stage 5 is the biggest offender of the latter, but Byakuren is mostly filled with honest challenges. Murasa is also ridiculously fun, and Kogasa is definitely my favorite character at this point. The Extra stage is kind of eh; the stage itself is hellish and forces you to use rainbow UFOs to your advantage while still amassing lives for Nue, who is brutal but extremely fun. Overall, I'd say the game is slightly below my favorites, PCB and PoFV.

Yes, yes, PoFV single player sucks. If you play against other people though, there's a lot of room for strategy. All the characters provide for a great deal of variety in the patterns, especially considering the increased focus on random barrages. When you're not feeling like the game itself cheated you out of a victory, a hectic match feels like an accomplishment whether you win or lose. It's really one of the best Touhou experiences you can have.

And while I'm making tiers. SA is just barely below PCB, EoSD sits with UFO, IN blows, and I haven't played MoF enough (or recently enough, for that matter) to pin it. That it's not with IN means it's either with EoSD and UFO or just below them.

>> No.3663585

PoFV is the only touhou game I actually play, because it's fun to play against other people. ZUN should make more multiplayer games. Or a co-op one, that would be awesome too.

>> No.3663598

>>3663585
Care for a game now, then? East coast US.

>> No.3663602

Fucking blue UFO's make me rage

>> No.3663603

MoF>EoSD>UFO>SA>PCB>IN

>> No.3663691

IN>PCB>SA>UFO>EoSD>MoF

>> No.3664376

I loved UFO, actually. I thought the system was very fun. But EoSD is still by far my favorite.

>> No.3664473

Bads
- For most people, UFO's are too hard to grab because of their speed and color changing
- Too punishing for grabbing a UFO of the wrong color, especially one that changes on you at the last second
- Way too much power lost on death. Die twice in a short span on a boss --> Enjoy doing the rest of it at < 2 power.
- UFO's should not immediately fly away when a boss/midboss shows up, at least not without giving their normal item.
- Still forcing you to start a level over when continuing.

Goods
- Bombs kept on death
- Able to choose whether you want Bombs, Lives, or Points
- Much better shot types and bombs than SA and MoF

My Favorites
IN > PCB > EoSD > MoF > SA = UFO > PoFV

>> No.3664486

>>3664473
Also, midbosses destroy complete UFOs without giving you the item.

>> No.3664528

>>3662895
IN>MoF>SA>PCB>UFO>*>EoSD

>> No.3664534

HRtP > *

Fuck your danmakus.

>> No.3664544

>>3664534
But HRtP has danmaku.

>> No.3664568
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>> No.3664599

People who play for points are faggots anyway. Just play for clear then move onto the next game. It's not like there's a shocking lack of games around.

>> No.3664606

>>3664568
It starts out much lower and the decline is less sharp.

>> No.3664609

>>3664544
Yes, but Reimu isn't firing them.

>> No.3664632

>>3664568
The only part of that I care about is the music, and I mostly agree. PCB should be a bit closer to god tier though, because of Capital City of Flowers in the Sky/Phantom Ensemble/Border of Life/Necrofantasia.

>> No.3664641

>>3664632

Dollmaker of Bucaresti is better than all of those.

>> No.3664648

I can't say it's my favorite, but I thoroughly enjoy UFO. Sure, it's system isn't the easiest to get into but it gets fun after a while. The cards are creative and fun to play, the music is good and, well, it's Touhou.

Compared to the others though, it might lack a bit. The scoring system is ok, but I prefer to be able to grab lives and try a high score. IN and PCB did a better job in that regard. The music, although I said it was good, isn't his best. Nothing bellow stage 4 was really memorable with the exception of stage 1 theme. The characters were good and had great danmaku though.

Overall, I put it above MoF but bellow all the others (expect PC-98 which I haven't played). It's still awesome though.

Also, honestly I'm surprised how many of you dislike PoFV, I assume most of you haven't tried playing with other humans? I seriously hope his next game will be another MP danmaku game.

Give a chance to PoFV. Send me an e-mail if you are interested in playing, it's not that hard to set up Adonis and get it running.

>> No.3664654

>>3664648
Could you drop your trip? You're starting to get annoying.

>> No.3664678

>>3664654

Danmaku threads are the sole reason why I still use it, and I do want to find other players.

>> No.3664687

I hate UFO.

>> No.3664709

UFO is great, but SA is much better.

>> No.3664842

>>3664568
>Touhou Troll Chart

>> No.3664862

UFO is the best

You must pay the fuck attention to everything, the levels and bosses, even on Normal modo.

>> No.3664871

At some point I stopped hating it and started really liking it. Compared to the others,

SA > UFO = PCB = MoF > IN = EoSD

I've played them all too much to make finer distinctions

>> No.3664886

PC-98 > *

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>>3664871
>UFO = PCB

>> No.3664899

>>3664871
>SA > UFO = PCB = MoF > IN = EoSD
>IN = EoSD

What.

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>>3664891
>>3664899

Trolled.

>> No.3664961

I never feel like playing IN or EoSD so what

>> No.3664972

>>3664919
Oh no, someone has a different opinion! The hivemind is in danger! This must be a troll!

>> No.3664985

>>3664961

Don't make me repost that essay I found about how EoSD is objectively the best game in the series.

>> No.3664994

>>3664985
Do it, I like saving long embarassing internet posts to paste later.

>> No.3665054

Am I the only one who still plays PCB a lot? It's the first game I 1cc'd on easy.

>> No.3665073

>>3665054
I hardly play PCB anymore because it feels too slow compared to the newer games.

>> No.3665087

I don't mind UFO, but there are a few things in the game that I hate.
First is the existence of Blue UFOst, because I need bombs and lives not fucking points.
Then there's the new power system. Now that you need 100 point items to upgrade your spells, you're just inundated with them. Get to levels 5/6 and the screen just turns into a clusterfuck. At that point it's hard to keep track of where your hitbox is and where all the bullets are.

Other than that it's just minor misgivings, like the characters not being overly interesting and the music not being "amazing".

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3665102

It could be that it's just because it's new, but I really love almost every song from UFO. It might overtake MoF as my favorite soundtrack.

>> No.3665140

>>3665087
>>3665102
The only two songs from UFO that I really liked were Fires of Hokkai and Emotional Skyscraper (as well as Sky Dream, but that's just a remix of Emotional Skyscraper so...)

>> No.3665169

>>3665054
Mostly Stage 6 on Normal only. I like fighting Yuyuko and love getting the rush from capturing Resurrection Butterfly, as well as any other card I've been trying.

>> No.3665170

>>3665140
I really like all of them except for Murasa's theme. I think the musical style just isn't as appealing to most people as previous games. It's kind of silly and strange except for stages 5 and 6.

>> No.3665174

>>3665140
No Cosmic Mi-?
>Emotional Skyscraper
Oh, no one calls it that.

At first I thought "Interdimensional Voyage of a Ghostly Passenger Ship" was a bit kooky, but it's now my favorite stage 4 theme out of all the Windows Touhou games. I'd say that and Cosmic Mind are UFO's best songs.

>> No.3665182

I would enjoy UFO if it wasn't so fucking glowy. ZUN really abuses the additive bullet rendering and the more obnoxious sprites. I don't mind the UFO system for getting points and bombs, and I would like to think that I'm pretty good at it. The game is fucking hard though. I can 1cc PCB, IN, PoFV, and SA on Lunatic, but I can't get past Shou without using continues on Hard.

But Nue is one of the most fun Extra bosses, so I guess it's ok.

>> No.3665226

>>3665182
>Shou
That's why.
Bloody curving lasers. Fucking bullshit is what that is.

>> No.3665236

>>3665226
Her first spell card on Hard/Lunatic and pretty much all of her non-spell cards on any difficulty are the worst things ever.

>> No.3665298

Cherry Petals>Time>Cellphone Bars>UFOs>Faith>Nothing

>> No.3665314

>>3665174
I like those, and also both stage 5 songs. Makai Provincial whatever is one of my favorite songs he's ever done, maybe because of the 11/4 beat. Shou's theme is cool too because it sounds straight out of the dark jungles of Asia or something.

>> No.3665327

>>3665226
Lasers are easy, quit being a bitch

>> No.3665334

I think people would have liked UFO better if it didn't happen to follow SA, which was excellent.

>> No.3665342

>>3665327
I think lasers are harder for people who aren't used to watching the danmaku in a certain way... One should perhaps change the way they look at things depending on the patterns.

>> No.3665362

>>3665054
>>3665169
I never play it because I fucking hate Youmu in it.

"Hi I'm a midboss"
"Oh noes I'm defeated"
"Hi again I'm a stage boss too"
"You've really beaten me this time"
"LOL NO I'M A MIDBOSS AGAIN YOU FUCKER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA"

>> No.3665376

>>3665362
Uh, Orin?

>Hi, I'm a stage 4 opener.
>Oh, I'm also the stage 4 midboss.
>Yeah I'm still around to be the midboss for stage 5. Cat's walk~
>Also, I'm the stage 5 boss.
>Oh hey, I forgot something! Blah blah blah, wheelbarrows.

>> No.3665379

>>3665362
Not as bad as four-ears.

>> No.3665382

I found the time system in IN to be annoying personally.

>> No.3665391

Cherry Points: I never spent the time to read on how this system works.
Time: Hate this system
Faith: Nothing good or bad about it.
Cellphone: Awesome system
UFO: Garbage. GARBAGE.

>> No.3665392

>>3665382
I did too, until I realized that if you don't fucking die a lot and actually capture spell cards, it's pretty easy to get enough time on every stage. On Hard and Lunatic, it practically throws thousands of time orbs at you.

>> No.3665401

The UFO system can work sometimes but other times it'll screw you over. Like say, when you have 2 red ufos and then you get a blue UFO by accident.

>> No.3665406

>>3665334
UFO would have been quite a shock had it come straight after the extreme normality of MoF. SA was kind of a bridge of craziness.

>> No.3665414

It falls safely in the middle for me, the system is either awesome or incredibly fucking annoying, but everything else about the game is the most polished of ZUN's works, which makes it better than some older unpolished Windows games like EoSD.

>> No.3665418

The next game will probably go back to the basics again. Maybe he'll put the Dream System back in!

>> No.3665425

>>3665418
>back to the basics again
Sounds nice, but last time that happened we got MoF.

>> No.3665431

>>3665406
I thought MoF was more on the loony side of changing up the formula than SA was. SA stuck to touhou's grazing roots but made it bigger, crazier and more ridiculous, like any good sequel should.

>> No.3665440

>>3665418
Whoa. That gave me a weird thought. The games after PoFV sort of start over in what they're like... MoF and EoSD, PCB and SA, IN and UFO. Anyone else see this, or am I delusional?

>> No.3665445

>>3665425
Eh, MoF's specific problems were just the genericbombs and the way you could kill every enemy before they got on screen. Things like having bullshit patterns and Marisa sucking are in every game.

>> No.3665451

>you could kill every enemy before they got on screen
That alone kinda ruined it for me.

>> No.3665463

>>3665445
Marisa doesn't suck in every game. ZUN just needs to give her Magic Missile/Lasers in every game instead of giving her weird crap like UFO Marisa B.

>> No.3665469

>>3665463
Indeed. She's pretty good in EoSD and MoF. Can't play her in IN at all, though, and she doesn't get enough bombs in PCB.

>> No.3665470

>>3665376
I don't play SA either.

>> No.3665474

>>3665440
There's sort of a pattern. Simple game, more complex game that's well liked, even more complex game that splits opinion. That's about all though.

>> No.3665476

>>3665469
>Can't play her in IN at all
That's because it means that you have to fight Reimu with all her whorish "I'm not going to stay still, but rather chuck ridiculous bullet patterns at you and stay offscreen so you can't get this attack fucking over with" bullshit.

>> No.3665477

>>3665469
Real men only bomb on death!

>> No.3665481

>>3665476
Don't remind me. How can a Stage 4 boss be harder than Stage 5?

>> No.3665487

>>3665474
Maybe it means he'll make a Phantasmagoria-type game next?

>> No.3665495

>>3665477
I die quicker as her because I run out of bombs after bombing on death.
>>3665476
Yeah, but I don't find it as bad as with Remi or Sakuya.

>> No.3665497

>>3665481
Orin being much harder than Utsuho bothers me much more than Marisa/Reimu being harder than Reisen.

>> No.3665501

>>3665497
I agree. I don't even know *how* to dodge some of Orin's spellcards.

>> No.3665509

>>3665469
Marisa is good solo in IN. You don't have weak ass Alice holding you back then and you can just hose everything with magic without ceasing. My 2nd favorite is SA MarisaC because it's a fun way to play and she's very simple to use.

>> No.3665516

>>3665501
Eh, she only has 2 attacks that I Just Cannot Do. One is her midboss spellcard, and the other is her last regular attack before her final spellcards. The rest can be worked down to a science just fine.

>> No.3665527

>>3665497
>>3665501
You guys just need to study Orin more. Orin's all about patterns. Once you get the patterns down, then it'll practically be the same every time. Okuu on the other hand involves a lot more randomness in her bullets, so sometimes you'll get lucky, and sometimes you won't. I seriously can't stand Okuu's attack phases where she flies across the screen shooting those streams of bullets a few times followed by a bunch of onion rings. I can't do them...

>> No.3665557

>>3665527
>followed by a bunch of onion rings
I don't know why I laughed at this.

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All Touhou game threads eventually come around to Orin

>> No.3665574

>>3665559
Shou's more of a problem than Orin. Shou makes me rage so hard. SO HARD.

>> No.3665583

>>3665557
I used to call them pizzas, but I watched a video of a SA Lunatic run, and when he got to Yuugi's spam of that kind of bullet, people called them "onion rings" because she's an oni! Oh how clever.

>> No.3665638

>>3665583
I hear them called bubbles more than anything. I think a lot of things in Touhou need specific names. Most of the bullets are pretty obvious, but others are pretty generic. Then there are the enemies. Yes, most of them are fairies, but then there are familiars, or spirits maybe, and then those fucking spinny yinyang things I don't know.

>> No.3665641

>>3665638
>those fucking spinny yinyang things
That's good enough for me.

I bet if I say "jellybean bullets" you guys would know which ones I'm talking about.

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>>3665641
MM DELICIOUS.

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>>3665665
Right on, anon.

>> No.3665683

>>3665476
I hate Marisa much more than Reimu.
"Lol, look at all the stars and lasers from every direction!"

>> No.3665691

Am I the only one who just thinks of them as what they look like and the size of their hitboxes?

>> No.3665701

>>3665665
rice and star flakes, yummy.

>> No.3665705

>>3665701
Rice bullets are the ones at the bottom of >>3665677

>> No.3665706

>>3665683
Earth light ray is sort of annoying. But her nonspells are pretty basic and stardust reverie is easier than Mystia's attacks. Master spark can be annoying with the screen shaking, but it's not terrible.

>> No.3665714

>>3665705
Except the ones in that spell card have never shown up anywhere else. They have massive hitboxes that take up the entire sprite, if not more.

>> No.3665722

>>3665714
Which is not something danmaku shooters should do.

>> No.3665724

>>3665683
You can at least bomb your way through Marisa's more troublesome cards, and you definitely won't have to deal with using Alice.

But then again, pretty much everything is made several times harder when you use Alice.

>> No.3665730

>>3665705
Now that you've pointed it out.
Those huge rice bullets in >>3665677 DO look like jellybeans.
Thanks.

>> No.3665736

>>3665691
>>3665714
>>3665722
I want to play a Touhou is debug mode and see what the actual hitboxes look like. Not that it is difficult to get a feel for them, but just out of curiosity.

>> No.3665741

>>3665714
Does that mean that Kanako is the strongest? Her bullets' hitboxes take up the whole sprite! And yes, I hate them.

And you know what bullets we haven't seen for a while? Those little kunai ones that Yukari uses in her non-spell attacks.

>> No.3665752

>>3665736
Yeah, it's too bad ZUN isn't more involved with the playerbase or he might release cool things like that. The only regular contact he has are his frequent tweets about beer.

>> No.3665754

>>3665752
I don't blame him, considering his fanbase.

>> No.3665755

>>3665741
Huh, yeah. Those had interesting hitboxes. They were pretty fun.

>> No.3665759

>>3665754
I wonder if ZUN likes Touhoumon.

>> No.3665763

>>3665741
Now that you mention it, yeah. Hey, someone with danmaku autism tell me the last time those were used. I want to say MoF but I'm drawing a blank.

>> No.3665782

>>3665763
They had the big ones in MoF, but I don't remember the little ones past PCB.

>> No.3665807

>>3665782
I think there are fairies in Stage 5 of IN who use them.

>> No.3665821

>>3665807
Really? I just played IN a few hours ago and that doesn't ring a bell. Are we thinking of the same ones?

>> No.3665829

>>3665807
They don't.

>> No.3665876

Some of the crows in SA stage 6 shoot them. Not sure if they're in UFO.

>> No.3665896

some of the characters and themes where cool, overall lackluster and not as good as the others though.

>> No.3666943

SA was a lot worse,PoFV was at the same levels,and everything else was superior.

>> No.3666978

>>3665736
There's actually a patch for that over on Shrinemaiden I believe. Who'd have thought, they've made themselves useful.

>> No.3666988 [DELETED] 

>>3662892
pls stop spammin ur shitty board on www.OBAMAtalk.com ( replace OBAMA w/ anon ) were tirred fo ure constant fucken spam and ddos attack's also stop lying about AT ok now gtfo dumbos

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