/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ do you remember when all the other boards made fun of you because of how you spent your times reading VNs and stuff like it.
Now however with all the steadily increasing anime adaptions of said VNs and the projects turning them into english, more and more people have started tor ead VNs.
It is like they are all a bunch of hypocrites
Do you remember when it was just us who read them, VNs that is, I somewhat miss those times.

/a/ have brought children into the VN scene, immature stupid little children who only care for speedy action and things like it

[Anonymous No.]

but the VN scene was always full of children. Don't try to pretend as if it was ever a cool kid's only club.

[Anonymous No.]

OP worried about more people encroaching on his 'sooper secrit klub?' Kind of like Touhou was?

[Anonymous No.]

Remember when only nerds played video games and now everyone plays video games?

Same shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655448

/jp/ was always full of children. also reisen has 4 ears in that pic.

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>>3655465
So whats the next frontier, after VNs goes mainstream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655475
Remember when only horny people fapped to porn?
I somehow missed those those times, now everyone does it, even if they can't get it up.
Shit sux

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655475
Light Novel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655475
Japanese Novel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655475
galge like amagami and kimikiss. It's a genre that is
-almost dead
-almost devoid of porn, losing a lot of the charm the pc eroge genre has
-almost exclusively for consoles, so less chance of translating

it's perfect for the wannabe elitists

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655465
Does that mean that in 10 years time all the stigma surrounding the sexual content will go away, just like with video games and violence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655521
Also you fags will be screaming CASUALS at every turn.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Main_Page

Light Novel has wide genre as well, from moemoefluff like Zero no Tsukaima, deep themed stuff like Kino no Tabi, to action like Fate/Zero. The sheer amount of text with varying degree of tl difficulty makes the medium in high demand of translator resources. The lack of multimedia elements will also ensure to limit the amount of newfags taking interest in the medium or making it mainstream quickly.

It's our sooper sooper secrit klub, and it'll maintain this status for a loooong time.

[Anonymous No.]

>Don't try to pretend as if it was ever a cool kid's only club.
More like old faggot NEETs living and shitting on the floor down in their basement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655521
Probably.
10years from now, everyone will be fapping to eroge like they are fapping to porn now.

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>>3655488

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>>3655529
>It's our sooper sooper secrit klub, and it'll maintain this status for a loooong time.

Yeah, but is anything that doesn't already have an anime actually getting translated? Because otherwise it's just a kind of higher-level /a/.

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>>3655513
Your galge idea intrigues me, since I never care too much about those series.

This thread is now Reisen's thread.

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>>3655562
Waaaah. Thanks to point that out. I guess I picked all the wrong titles in this context lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655447
stop spamming ur board on www.anòntálk.com plox were tired of ur constant fuckin spam plus stop lying about at ok

[Anonymous No.]

Getting kind of tired of people complaining about "children in their fandom", whining like little kids.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655448
>/a/ have brought children into the VN scene
I must say that I remember there being a lot less trolls in the VN threads before /a/ started reading them.

Remember when /a/ RAGED when people tried to discuss VNs? Now they all play it.
/a/ was never good though so the /jp/<->/a/ split was for the better.

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>>3655592
You BOARD WARS LOL XD types are the worst. How long have you been on 4chan, a year? Two?

in b4 i wuz there when moot still posted on SA hurrr no you weren't

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655592
It wasn't. Kids were left without check and without a chance to learn at least a bit of proper conduct. We were better off for a year or so but now that they've found /jp/ we can all see the results.

Polite sage, since the thread has been dangerously close to meta-discussion already and we've crossed the line just now. Let's not continue with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655599
>How long have you been on 4chan, a year? Two?
>Two
>Implying /jp/ is older than two years

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655688
>Abusing quotes, using "implying" and not using sage.
Faggot.
Did you know 4chan is older than /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

>nostalgia goggles

[Anonymous No.]

So much herp in here, how can a derp live in peace?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655703
But the post you were replying to only stated that he liked "/jp/" better when it was young.
The age of 4chan as a whole doesn't really matter.

[Anonymous No.]

From my perspective, /jp/ started existing the minute /a/ started resisting certain subjects within its own board.

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>>3655688
He is obviously referring to old /a/ where we almost have daily Underwater Romano, Clannaids and Ever17 VN thread and shounen get sage almost instantly and dropped to page10 to the dismay of the OP while we discuss VNs. And then this is when the said OP complain to moot and got both VNs and Touhou kicked out of /a/.

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>>3655723
But the post was about VN threads in /jp/
VN threads in old /a/ was shitty as hell
VN threads in young /jp/ was quite good
VN threads in current /a/ is actually somewhat passable
VN threads in current /jp/ isn't as good as the VN threads old /jp/ had

[Anonymous No.]

>>3655778
How long until the quality starts to disintegrate more and more until the unacceptable level?
Can we still going with all the furry, disney, real deal, and *-devs and its variant GET OUT *-devs meme? Irrational reflexive rage to any form of KS DEVS pretender and trolls included.
How would you respond to "Hiya I'm new to VN" thread? Reject and troll them to stop the invasion in vain, or at the extreme try to be very helpful all the time?

[Anonymous No.]

I love you, OP. You are a beautiful person inside and out.

[Anonymous No.]

We didn't use to have
"I am new to VNs please help me"
before

We even have recomendation threads like the one in /a/ and we have recomadation pictures and lists as well.
None of those threads were ever good.

[Anonymous No.]

>the extreme try to be very helpful all the time?
Helping them will only encourage more of their kind to come.
They need to learn to lurk the fuck more or learn to use google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3656669
This is pretty much the argument you can use to stop any and all discussion.

>What do you think of [VN]?
>Hurr why don't you google to see what people think of it? SAGE

[Cyrus !!abIc2O8kqZb No.]

>/a/ have brought children into the VN scene

Actually, I blame Katawa Shoujo for that. I've heard underage normalfags talking about and saying how they were gonna play it for the "lulz". One of them was a sixteen year old girl.

Fuck Katawa Shoujo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3656868
>>3656868
Unless you can read japanese why would you ask that question?

You are on /jp/ and there is so little english VNs around that you should play all of them by now.

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>>3656868
This is exactly how it should go.

[Hatsune Miku !MIKUiqnw0. No.]

Remember when people held interests in things without having to spout this primary and secondary bullshit?
I think I'm forgetting those times. （ ´_ゝ｀）

[Anonymous No.]

Screw you, OP. I'm posting the bigger version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3656669
1. To reject the newbies is to force them to find the information they need independently, which will filter out those who took effort to understand this new medium and those who don't
2. To accept and being very helpful is to expand the community and getting both quality poster and those who ask for moar assistance, expanding the community

/jp/ is already big enough, and having another quality poster in VN community is unnecessary or not beneficial. We need no problem with scaling, so SHOOT THEM DOWN M*THERF*CKER.

I know, why don't we direct them to /bun/? Those guys need additional users after all, so they'd gladly help those newcomers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3656961
Thanks for bigger version!

[Anonymous No.]

/a/ confuses me really, what is accepted there and what is not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3656894
>>3656911
Idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3657474
>/a/ confuses me really, what is accepted there and what is not?
Back when there's no /jp/, Touhou and VNs thread are getting popular that it irks the majority of Anime/Manga audience. Despite the fact that Japanese modern visual culture are centered on the triad of VN, Anime, and Manga (combined with other products like Drama CDs, Doujinshi, and Light Novel), /a/ wants to stick with just Anime/Manga, hence they complain to moot, resulting in split.

The conception of Katawa Shoujo also originates in pre-split /a/, back when everyone are still optimistic and having enough creative drive. That's why Katawa Shoujo despite of being a VN, are accepted well in /a/ due to oldfags' nostalgia.
http://www.katawa-shoujo.com/sticky/
http://privatepaste.com/f21gXR15qq

Now with the trend of cross-medium adaption, from Manga>Anime to VN>Anime, some interest to VN grows at /a/ newfags as well, creating the problem discussed in this thread. Those who have experienced the split years ago are sure to feel bitter when they (/a/) only pay attention to this medium just now.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck your elitist bullshit.

There's nothing worse than seeing something random somewhere on the internet and not having a clue what it is(no name, title, nothing) and having some elitist fag who thinks he's special tell you to "lurk moar".

KIND OF HARD TO LURK FOR SOMETHING I DON'T HAVE A NAME FOR, FAGGOT.

All this shit does is make me laugh at how bad you fail when the inevitable happens and your precious "cool kids club" is overrun by outsiders and what you though was yours only becomes popular with everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3657675
>blah blah blah
oh bawwww there are more people that play vn's now than there were in the past wahhhh

stop being so fucking butthurt. go make yourself useful or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3657721
>>3657726
>imsoclevar

[Anonymous No.]

>>3657735
iknowtheyarerightbutiwillattemptacomebackanywaywhoopsifailednevermind

[Anonymous No.]

>>3657735
>greentext
Oh no, the ultimate comeback!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3657726
/jp/. Making themselves useful.

[Anonymous No.]

Ah, the last resort of a group of nerds that once prided themselves on being the only ones to know about their little treats. When all else fails, get pissed about it. Even when there's nothing you can do.

I just curious what you think gives you the right to act like this shit belongs only to you.
Oh wait.
Nothing.

Good deal, then I'll proceed to telling any weaboos that I get the chance to talk to all about your "secret club activites".

[Anonymous No.]

I don't really see how the increase of attention is damaging to the personal experience of the older fans.
What is condemnable is the notable increase of VN-adaptation anime. They continue to be of low quality most of the time, and it just shows how tired the current animation is.

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>>3657850
I do that too. Especially the underage retards. I love to see these losers rage over shit like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3657807,1
I didn't bother to read the thread.

My best guess is the OP would be lamenting how younger people getting introduced to VNs might have an affect on /jp/'s quality when they migrate here.

[Anonymous No.]

The worst thing about the growing popularity of VNs is that they attract delusional assholes like >>3657850 to /jp/. Really I don't think anyone would have a problem with VNs gaining popularity with the mainstream, except for the fact that the mainstream is full of idiots who come here and shit up the board.

What is worse is when we tell them to take their bullshit elsewhere they start stroking their e-peens and raging at strawmen, accusing everyone who doesn't like their shit of being "elitists" and trying to make /jp/ into a "secret club". It's like these shitposters live in their own reality, where they can just make up shit about the people who disagree with them and then pretend it's true. And then they wonder why we complain about them being here.

[Anonymous No.]

There is a country were the sports of Soccer and Ice-Hockey thrives and is the most usual topics at the towns local sports-bar.
Inside that bar however there is a group who has a certain interest of the sport Baseball and they discuss it gladly within the bar even though the nation doesn't even has its own baseball team.
After some time however the fans of Soccer and Ice-Hockey tells the Baseball fans to take their shit elsewere.
The Baseball guys thinks that the Soccer and Ice-hockey fans are exaggerating but things wont cool down and the Soccer and and Ice-Hockey fans complain to the bar's owner Moot.
Moot seeing as how it could dammage his bussiness and him not being a fan of baseball himself decides that something should be done.
He doesn't want to loose the baseball customers though as they are still a steady income for him, so he builds a Baseball bar right across the street for them.
The Baseball fans go "Hey, what the hell? But ok, perhaps this is for the better and it is still a bar" so they move into the new Bar.
There they have plenty of interesting discussion about Baseball and their community thrives even though it is small.
They start to raise funds and they start to organize themself in order to make Baseball more popular and more accessable, so they help in tidying up and fixing real Baseball fields, so that the sport in fact can be played, unlike before.
Times goes by and the popularity of Baseball grows as more people start to play it as there are now local fields were one actually can play.
With the popularity of Baseball increasing more and more people checks out the local Baseball bar, and the regulars of the Baseball bar likes how more people can enyoy Baseball.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3658675
Things actually goes so well so that the country gets its own official Baseball team and the team even sets their goal on the highly respected tournament coming up.
With this the popularity grows even more and more people starts to become regulars of the Baseball club and it is all good, but all of a sudden, unlike before there are also a bunch of jerks who have started visiting reguarly, to the old regulars dismay.
All things goes well for Baseball and the official teams happens to go to the final. With all of this being good the regulars feel happy, but the number of jerks that have filled up the baseball bar is uncomparable to before, and they all feel a bit sad about it, but as the price of Baseball gaining popularity it is just something they has to bear, that is all.
When the tournament is over though they all scream loudly from hapiness when their team actually wins the final, but at the same time they hear strong voices from across the streat.
One of them decides to pay the old sportsbar another visit, and it turns out that they have been following the Baseball tournament as well.
And with this all of the Baseball fans simply goes "What the hell? I thought that was the reason for why they didn't want us there" and it confuses them all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3657850
luckily only very very few people could actually take our hobby and learn it's secrets

what is it you say

assembly programming

[Anonymous No.]

>>3658686
I read my TAOCP today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3658678
>With this the popularity grows even more and more people starts to become regulars of the Baseball club and it is all good, but all of a sudden, unlike before there are also a bunch of jerks who have started visiting reguarly, to the old regulars dismay.
>They don't bother learning baseball rules and are just bandwagoning faggots.
>They are glory hunters and gloat whenever their team win much to the dismay of the true die hard baseball regulars.

Fixed for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3658675
>>3658678

What a beautiful story. I shed a tear when I read this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3658697
This sounds painfully familiar

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>>3658697
I kind of improvised my story, but I believe it turned out somewhat ok, should have added something like what your wrote as well though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3658730
>>3658730
Don't worry. I already save it to my copypasta.txt.
Pretty sure it will come in handy next time another metathread or /a/ raid come.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3658730
Now as I re-read my post i realize how flawed my spelling and grammar and so on were.
I should learn I kind of can't write without sleep.
But oh well, it is already posted now.

[Anonymous No.]

I still think a VN boom won't be as big as others before it for at least this one reason, ero. The subs boom and the scanlation boom were all big game changers. They have porn versions but those aren't the main selling points.

When we talk VN, we are talking 18+ stuff here almost all of the time. It just can't get that big with this current community when an essential part of it is porn.

We can have a VN boom but I think the real boom will be Light Novels. That comes after the VN boom though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3658790
And I think a VN boom would still be pretty limited in its audience. No matter how big it gets, it wouldn't spill over as much as manga or anime.

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>>3658790
Light Novels boom are already here.
I can think of Haruhi, Horo and 12 Kingdoms top of my head. There are probably more obscure LN titles that I didnt bother with while the number of professional VN release per year can be counted in a single hand.

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>>3658825
I haven't read a light novel in a long time but from what I've seen there are more people working on VN translations than light novel translations. VN translations both official and fan made are coming out faster than ever before.

Official light novels have been coming out really really slowly to a dead audience (Shakugan no Shana ended at two). Official ZnT is pretty much dead.

Until light novel projects get more people involved/interested, it won't be booming anytime soon.

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>>3658825
I'm not sure if there are any other professional light novel translations. One company was translating Shana but dropped it after two or three volumes.

>the number of professional VN release per year can be counted in a single hand.
There have been more this year, and now that MangaGamer seems serious we can expect more from both them and Jast.

[Anonymous No.]

But I've never liked VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3658825
Oh, I almost forgot about my favorite one. FMP! got up to three before dieing. The third novel was released June last year.

[Boogiepop !!vpmXvuRep+N No.]

>>3658790

Unfortunately, a light novel boom is unlikely for a few reasons.

1. Western literature is already an over saturated market that does not have space for a bridge between the 13-17 and 17-24 demographics as Japan did a decade ago

2. The English market expects manga. The first wave of light novels that were translated ex. Boogiepop, SnS, Scraped Princess, Ballad of a Shinigami, etc... were lost among shelves of manga because no one really new what they were. Most of the series have been discontinued because each book has to be licensed separately and almost none of the lines came close to breaking even on profits.

3. Businesses have seen the liabilities the light novels can become as there is much more of a risk in licensing a light novel over one of the plentiful manga series. They buy in cost to a manga is much lower than that of a novel due to translation costs and light novels also run the risk of being brushed aside when compared to English literature due to lacking translations. Manga is a no risk business right now as nearly any series is likely to turn a profit and importers see this. As proof, even recently licensed light novels such as the KnK and Jinken series have been put on hold with little or no news to confirm they will ever be published.

The Faust compilations were a good attempt to break in the English audience, but I'm under the impression that they also did not quite meet sales expectations.

[Anonymous No.]

Any official qoutes of KnK actually being on hold?
I still thought that it was supposed to be out this december (or be delayed, as it isn't that uncommon for things to be that).
Have both FMP volumes and SnH volumes... feels somewhat unworth it if I can't buy all of them. I sure hope that Haruhi fares better

I do hope that things goes well for Yen Press though, they seem to at least be trying to actually succeed with light novels.
Even though it hurts a bit, they even went as far as making the cover for S&W "Westernized" in order to really make it succesful and established within the western market, which is something I support.

I remember being linked to /a/ from a /jp/ LN thread, and I was a bit schocked to be honest when the majority of the /a/ posters seemed to believe that manga and light novels sell a lot better than ordinary books and that ordinary books couldn't compare.
I wonder were they get stuff like that from, I mean here in /jp/ we enyoy stuff as well, we don't really deny it being "niche" though as it is somewhat of a niche market.

Also
>>3658675
>>3658678
Cool Story bro, I saved it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3659230
Yen Press going for a western-looking cover for Spice and Wolf was a really good idea. Too bad the cover they chose looks like shit.

[Boogiepop !!vpmXvuRep+N No.]

>>3659230

There's been nothing about KnK for around a year and that probably won't change until the movies start hitting over here. The movies have been getting a decent amount of attention even amongst casual fans so they are likely to do well enough to eventually merit publishing the novels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3658697
Haha, oh wait it isn't actually funny at all...

[Anonymous No.]

So when /jp/ exists, why do /a/ still talk about it in /a/?
Are they afraid of us or something? Or do they just feel that their board is better?
Oh crap, why did post this? I don't wan't them all here, the shitstorms would be unbarable

[Anonymous No.]

Sooper Sooper Secrit Klub!

[Anonymous No.]

Eretto was a light novel artist!

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

More LN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3659898
They are all newfriends and a few old fags that will never accept the split. VNs go in /jp/ that was established by talking with moot.

[Anonymous No.]

Obscure LN is obscure.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Some LN have great artworks and inside illustrations.

Delicious kuudere.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Gothloli is the best.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Final book.

[Anonymous No.]

Lights novels still have a long way to go to 'mainstream'. VNs are not as 'mainstream' as you think. Only a handful (of retards) decide to read the VN after watching its anime adaptation. /a/ is only aware of Ever17, KS, Saya et al and that's the reason why it hasn't gone 'mainstream' yet. Post something like Love Plus or your favorite VN on /a/ and they'd ask you what the shit did you post.

I don't find anything bad about more people reading VNs. It would be nice if /jp/ isn't just about Umineko, Rance, Touhou, idols, Aya Hirano and Morning Musume. More people reading VNs means more people talking about VNs and more variety in the board's content.

Anyone who thinks /jp/ should be 'a secret club' is an idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>Anyone who thinks /jp/ should be 'a secret club' is an idiot.
I think people on /jp/ who would' mind /jp/ to be larger, I do however think that they don't want it to be a shithole.
Hopefully things will go smoothly though, so far it isn't that bad.
Or perhaps it is

[Sakura !!32RHYzwb/Ga No.]

>>3660297
I wouldn't mind /jp/ having a larger VN crowd. But I don't really like the idea of an influx of new users. I mostly don't want to board to become to fast. I like the speed it's at right now.

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>>3659106
>Western literature is already an over saturated market
Bro books have been on a pretty shitty decline in the Western market for a while. Nowadays every schmuck has a book out. The overall quality of Western literature from the early 00's onward is utter shit. Only books that are worth reading are reprints of reprints of reprints of reprints.

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>>3660553
Are you somehow implying Japanese literature is better than what is currently seen as the best English literature? Oh wow.

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>>3659693
Of course it isn't.
That is what it is currently happening here now.
We have people asking for download link and people that dont know about daemon tools, applocale or japanese unicode setting.
Not to mention all the spamming like it is the best thing since slice bread.

By the way, where do you guys usually get your LN?
Most of the time it is on backorder when I try amazon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3660391
Being large doesn't mean 'being a shithole'. I think we're doing a great job on getting rid of potential threats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3660902
>Didn't know about Eternal September.

[Boogiepop !!vpmXvuRep+N No.]

>>3660827

ebay is a good source since none that are out are in really high demand

it will probably be cheaper than ordering at full price anyways

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>>3660933
Hello, AOL called, they'd like their disks back.