Strongest 2hu

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Strongest 2hu Anonymous Thu Sep 2 02:48:11 2021 No.36384239 [Reply] [Original]

Is it possible to defeat Yukarin?
Which 2hu could do it? How exactly?
Is every 2hu beatable in some way?
No favoritism, please, faggots.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 02:55:06 2021 No.36384287 File: 173 KB, 1280x720, __yasaka_kanako_touhou_and_1_more_drawn_by_lunamoon__c3bc6dd821873429e5d98438568695f8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The strongest is Kanako because she is my favorite and I have faith in her!

Anonymous Thu Sep 2 03:01:49 2021 No.36384346

>>36384239
>Is it possible to defeat Yukarin?
Yes.

>Which 2hu could do it? How exactly?
Reimu. Protagonism.

Is every 2hu beatable in some way?
Yes.

>No favoritism, please, faggots.
If you can suck Yukari's cock I can suck my beautiful Koishi too.

>>36384287
I will punch Kanako to death

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 03:19:25 2021 No.36384509 File: 675 KB, 650x790, eirin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36384239 Beat her flappy hag ass in the past.

Anonymous Thu Sep 2 03:32:13 2021 No.36384621

>>36384239
>Is it possible to defeat Yukarin?
Not even the strongest in Gensokyo, not even the strongest sage either.
>Which 2hu could do it?
Last time I checked Reimu, Shikieiki, the moonies, Okina and Hecatia were all above her, additionally Yuuka and Yuugi are also supposed to be monstrously strong.
>Is every 2hu beatable in some way?
The Cock™

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 06:38:39 2021 No.36386516 >>36384239 I am the strongest

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 06:42:21 2021 No.36386566 File: 783 KB, 700x962, 78547495c73cc7c135c0ed180cde40f1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36386516

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 12:13:07 2021 No.36389616 It's impossible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 12:18:22 2021 No.36389726 >>36384239 Cirno is a pro when it comes to beating up the elderly. Another option is to convince the villagers to declare independence and kick out the youkai from Gensokyo. I'm not sure if it would work, but it would at least piss her off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 13:12:25 2021 No.36391157 File: 393 KB, 886x500, 1606403304705.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36389726 That's true, she's the dreaded baaba slayer every old hag fears. However...

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 13:13:29 2021 No.36391176 File: 587 KB, 1172x508, 1615037580793.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36391157 Some hags learned how to fight her effectively! That is, using help of their subordinates!

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 13:16:41 2021 No.36391235 File: 568 KB, 888x549, 1612073287536.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36391157 She's still highly effective when it comes to it though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 15:37:34 2021 No.36393832 rumia

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 18:36:07 2021 No.36396560 >>36384239 >is it possible to defeat yukarin? Yes. >which 2hu could do it? how exactly? Me. I win. >is every 2hu beatable in some way? No, I'm unbeatable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 18:37:36 2021 No.36396582 >>36396560 Hello, faceless male with hypnosis powers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 18:40:00 2021 No.36396621 File: 940 KB, 640x1493, ycvdw4rtblg41.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36389726 >>36391157 >>36391176 >>36391235 This tactic is not wise to use on some hags, careful Cirno!

Anonymous Thu Sep 2 20:02:39 2021 No.36397671
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>>36384239
Yukari really is as strong as people think she is. The only reason why people think she is unbeatable is because we don't know the limits of her ability which makes fan think that she doesn't have any. They tend to think that by just manipulating a few boundaries Yukari could beat anybody via hax but as I said before they only think that because he don't know her limits (something that she clearly has

To use another example for this kind of situation, Merlin from Type Moon is capable of creating Illusions that can trick Reality into thinking that they're real, which in turn actually makes them real. Using this logic we could just assume that he could beat anybody by just casting a few Illusions but that isn't the case because similar to Yukari he clearly has limits we just don't know them.
(Although his fan don't Wank him nearly as much as Yukari)

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 2 21:21:56 2021 No.36398409 File: 139 KB, 877x1280, IMG_20210828_084648_122.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Japanese goburin can destroy the entire universe if she wants. Density manipulation is such a strong ability, no more old hags or greek goddess, only watermelon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 3 01:25:02 2021 No.36400485 File: 70 KB, 300x400, 1624644484457.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36398409 I think Yukari could beat Suika, but yes, Suika is op

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 3 04:09:36 2021 No.36401592 >>36384287 I will fuck Kanako till she's pregnant

Anonymous Fri Sep 3 17:36:46 2021 No.36409533
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>>36384239
>Is it possible to defeat Yukarin?
Yes, Remi can.

>Which 2hu could do it? How exactly?
Remi. Remi.

>Is every 2hu beatable in some way?
No, they can't beat Remi.

>No favoritism, please, faggots.
Remi.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 3 17:43:05 2021 No.36409625 File: 109 KB, 728x1025, 8 (3).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36409533 Weaker then Suika, slower then Aya. Her own little Sister is most likely stronger then her. Pathetic

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 3 17:46:43 2021 No.36409678 File: 196 KB, 700x600, 1625387978208.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36409625 >Weaker then Suika Remi. >slower then Aya Remi. >Her own little Sister is most likely stronger then her Remi.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 3 21:03:37 2021 No.36411937 >>36409625 >>36409678 >Pathetic Remi

Anonymous Fri Sep 3 21:10:30 2021 No.36411987

Reimu defeated Yukari in PCB and I bet other 2hus could beat her too like Hecatia Lapislazuli (which ZUN admitted had a power level far above any other 2hu). Because of the spell card rules it's clear she isn't using her full power, and neither are the other 2hus. Because of this I'd say it's kind of hard to tell who could beat who.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 4 01:55:03 2021 No.36414382 >>36411987 Yukari just woke up, and was just messing around. but Hecatia is canonically stronger according to ZUN.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 4 04:31:08 2021 No.36415471 >>36384239 Mokou's the strongest She's invincible and isn't afraif of anything. She will cook everyone else like chciken wings and then go home and sleep off her injuries

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 4 07:05:56 2021 No.36416711 do you necessarily need to be the strongest in order to "be(at)" the strongest >le outsmarting your opponintendo

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 4 08:06:17 2021 No.36417195 >>36416711 who u quoting

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 4 08:50:41 2021 No.36417493 File: 53 KB, 465x659, 1630745423653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36414382 fujiwara no mokou is a pretty cool guy eh bullies kaguya and doesnt afraid of anything

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 4 09:14:56 2021 No.36417652 File: 101 KB, 899x1124, 224414861_222116503136151_1770677202164750172_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36384239 she bows to the lunarians

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 5 09:12:37 2021 No.36430532 >>36417652 What is Yukarin looking for?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 5 09:49:14 2021 No.36430763 >>36384239 ZUN said hecatia is the strongest

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 5 09:57:18 2021 No.36430823 >>36384239 dusttrust can defeat her.

Anonymous Sun Sep 5 10:17:52 2021 No.36431016

>>36384621
Though Reimu has impressive firepower, she's fatally weak to poison which Yukari should have a dozen ways of using her ability to administer on if push came to shove.
To say nothing of the fact she's one of the few characters with an explicit counter to what makes the shrine maiden so powerful to begin with.

Anonymous Sun Sep 5 12:50:03 2021 No.36433117
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>>36411987
This. People tend to forget that the spell card rule makes it almost impossible to actually know "who is stronger than who" only based on what ability the characters actually displayed in canon content, as the rule is specifically designed to let bakas such as Cirno win against gods such as Okina.
If you also factor in the fact that most abilities aren't perfectly defined, and the fact that we don't actually know what is the extent of the ability of Yukari, it's hard to tell if there is anyone who can beat her. I mean, manipulating boundaries sounds like such an OP ability to have that we would need to know the actual limits of said ability in order to actually gauge her power level.

Or, you could go the safe route and just say "Hecatia because Zun said so". Which is what I am going to do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 5 16:24:58 2021 No.36437777 >>36433117 Seija's ability to flip anything sounds OP if not for the plot pushing for her and Shinmyoumaru being weak

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:57:09 2021 No.36446463 >>36384239 not defeatable

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 01:09:03 2021 No.36457601 >>36396621 But Cirno is a parent and one of her kids might have laid an egg plus she is like 60 old hag Probably laid the egg that hatched into one of Cirnos parents

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:54:38 2021 No.36466629 >>36384239 just hit her really hard

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 21:04:58 2021 No.36468671 >>36384239 My wife is the stongest

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 21:44:36 2021 No.36469075

>>36433117
>Or, you could go the safe route and just say "Hecatia because Zun said so"
Then what about her relief when she learned that the fairies prevented her from getting BTFOd by Okina in visionary fairies ? And since Okina is implicitely as powerful as Yukari at most, that makes us go full circle.
I just think ZUN doesn't give a fuck about power levels and there's no definite ranking.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 8 10:30:22 2021 No.36474641 File: 150 KB, 763x572, Powerlevels are really fucking dumb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36409533 >>36409678 Remi!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 8 11:58:41 2021 No.36475282 >>36393832 yes

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 8 12:03:25 2021 No.36475359 >>36474641 Are there two sakuyas?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 8 12:03:42 2021 No.36475365 >>36411987 >Reimu defeated Yukari in PCB The spell card rules are about allowing anyone to beat anyone, so using spell card battles to determine strength is foolishness

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 8 12:05:18 2021 No.36475396 >>36437777 She can literally only flip things. That's it. It's not that impressive. I can flip things. Going by how it works in DDC it's not something she can do rapidly either. She's a weak youkai

Anonymous Wed Sep 8 12:22:28 2021 No.36475684
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>>36469075
>Then what about her relief when she learned that the fairies prevented her from getting BTFOd by Okina in visionary fairies ?
"Her"?

Hecatia was using Okina's tampering as an excuse to revive hell, as well as trying to rescue Gensokyo from its nature crisis. She only didn't do that because Clownpiece went against her orders. Okina threatened Clownpiece and told her to tell Hecatia not to fuck with Gensokyo. They seem to have had no actual conflict, and Hecatia never mentioned being relieved. She DID mention that it was lucky that her plans weren't revealed, but that's all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 8 13:07:40 2021 No.36476573 >>36475396 Isn't the "things" she can flip not really described though? Just as an example, she flip characters strengths levels so the strong are really weak, but of course like most character abilities they're always left up for interpretation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 8 20:07:31 2021 No.36481429 >>36475359 No you dummy, there are three. Third one is on the right next to Flan.

Anonymous Thu Sep 9 04:34:23 2021 No.36485590

Sakuya - prevents Yukari from using her abilities by freezing/reversing/rewriting time in any way she wishes; as long as she always moves first, she is invincible. The hag is dead.
Yuyuko - literal instadeath with zero recovery. The hag is dead.
>hypothetical 2hu
Ability erasure/supression, or just the ability to manipulate any property in general.

Anonymous Thu Sep 9 04:37:59 2021 No.36485616

>>36485590
sakuya cannot rewrite time and she is said to barely be able to reverse time
from PMiSS: "Things that have been destroyed, burnt down, eaten, etc. can not be returned to normal even if time is reversed. Reversing time only has an effect to the extent that things that have been moved return to their original position."

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 9 05:46:38 2021 No.36485933 >>36485616 So Sakuya is canonically a hag?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 9 05:48:46 2021 No.36485942 >>36485933 what?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 9 05:50:13 2021 No.36485950 >>36485933 yes she cannot defeat a hag therefore she must be a hag herself only an old lady couldn't beat gappy

Anonymous Thu Sep 9 13:02:19 2021 No.36489117
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>>36476573
>Isn't the "things" she can flip not really described though?
>Just as an example, she flip characters strengths levels so the strong are really weak, but of course like most character abilities they're always left up for interpretation.
No she can't do that. That's literally why she got the miracle mallet and a bunch of cheat items: because her actual ability is almost useless.

What you see in DDC is the extent of her abilities. She flips you, that's all. The term ひっくり返す in her profile refers mainly to physical objects, and anyway she's a canon weakling who needs to rely on external factors to be any sort of threat

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 9 13:09:57 2021 No.36489231 >>36485590 >she is invincible. The hag is dead. eh not really. Sakuya is pretty strong but Yukari is a youkai, AND a very powerful youkai. Her knives probably cannot actually kill Yukari Then again, they ARE silver, but eh.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 9 18:44:48 2021 No.36493337 >>36485590 Sakuya is pretty weak when compared to literally half of the cast, but she's cool :)

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 9 18:58:38 2021 No.36493500 File: 616 KB, 1016x1016, cm__yukari_yakumore_to_love_by_jakbenimbel_da6jczy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36384239 Yukari is too fat and lazy to get any real advantages over the other hags.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 9 19:37:02 2021 No.36493883 >>36493500 Delete.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 9 20:09:52 2021 No.36494210 File: 101 KB, 400x300, C4F80F4F-717D-4918-9274-8A8B871BFA90.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36384239

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 9 20:20:33 2021 No.36494294 File: 68 KB, 467x600, Watatsuki.no.Yorihime.600.1950987.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] There.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 9 20:46:41 2021 No.36494543 File: 212 KB, 800x600, C855FF7D-14F4-48A2-91B6-7D8999B23693.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING BROTHER, IM THE STRONGEST AROUND YA HEAR?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 10 13:26:27 2021 No.36501903 >>36409533 Even if she can manipulate fate, Remilia can still lose. All I have to do is borrow a few of Patche's spells and anyone can game end her on weaknesses alone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 07:03:27 2021 No.36511579 >>36384239 Mokou is immortal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 11:51:40 2021 No.36513406 >>36511579 She could easily be indefinitely neutralized by most of the top tier characters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 12:01:19 2021 No.36513511 >>36384239 Yukari is very powerful depend on how far you want her ability to go. The things is that she just use it for shitposting in gensokyo rather than using it to fix a problem. Plus, her true power is her cunningness not just her ability.

Anonymous Sat Sep 11 14:57:01 2021 No.36516046

>>36513511
Plus we know she has limits (couldn't gap directly to the Moon or the Moriya Shrine, can't beat the Moon Sisters nor Hecatia in a straight fight).

So even if she wanted she couldn't move outside of the Multiverse and manipulate the boundaries between the Universes to turn Yog-Sothoth into a little eyaball like one retard argued she could.

Anonymous Sat Sep 11 15:57:36 2021 No.36516726

>>36384239
>Is it possible to defeat Yukarin?
Yes, even if we take heigh-end Yukari she's still beatable. Any end-tier Marvel or DC characters could beat her, Lucifer Morningstar (DC) for example.
(Im guessing this question was also meant to include things outside of Touhou considering what the second question is)

>Which 2hu could do it?
Okina, Kasen (These two should be her equals considering thier status), Hecatia (stated to be the strongest character in Touhou by ZUN, making her stronger then Yukari), Shikieiki, The Moon Sisters (No need for an explanation here) and Reimu (has potential to beat with flying Outside of Reality and channeling the power of the Gods)

>How exactly?
Abilities Cancellation, Reality Warping, Surprise Attack, Conceptual Attacks (fir example an Attack that turns any Super Natural beings into normal Humans), somebody who too manipulates Borders (a God of Borders should by definition be strong then her, thus cancelling her ability by since thier Authority should be higher/stronger)

>Is every 2hu beatable in some way?
Yes, every 2hu can be beaten by somebody outside of Touhou and every 2hu (with the exception of Hecatia) can be beaten by some other 2hu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 16:00:20 2021 No.36516780 Hecatia absolutely can be beaten. Tell her that her taste in fashion is bad, and everyone is lying when they tell her she's stylish.

Anonymous Sat Sep 11 16:30:36 2021 No.36517222

>>36431016
You do realise she can manipulate border of life and death aswell and pretty much could kill anyone instantly. Then again powerlevel threads are always bullshit since all of the 2hus are beatable/killable but you just need opportunity to do so with some bullshit powers or not.

Anonymous Sat Sep 11 16:35:57 2021 No.36517288
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>>36384239
This basement dweller right here.
>You know, everything has an 'eye'. If I squeeze that eye, it will go 'kaboom'. Huh? How did I get close enough to the shooting star to squeeze its eye? It was right here. Right in the palm of my hand. And not just the shooting star's eye, but the eye of everything is in my right hand.So all I have to do is give a little squeeze and..."

Anonymous Sat Sep 11 16:41:49 2021 No.36517368

>>36517288
Am I the only one not impressed by Remilia's ability? Defying Fate is pretty much a standard Anime Troop. Fucking Hell in Type Moon you can't be ruled by Fate/Destiny whatsoever if your Luck state is heigh enough.

Flan's power on the other hand is vastly more superior and scary.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 17:03:02 2021 No.36517704 >>36517368 Touhou certainly runs on JoJo fate rules, where it is inescapable, though not easily predictable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 17:56:28 2021 No.36518550 >>36517704 >certainly When was this stated ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 18:40:12 2021 No.36519149 File: 586 KB, 1119x884, Flan.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36517288 isnt flanders' ability straight up deus ex machina tier bullshit and thats why shes such a boring character?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 18:48:32 2021 No.36519244 >>36518550 Touhou takes a ton from JoJo, and additionally is there anything in Touhou about defying fate (something that was explicitly fated to happen then told "no")

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 19:03:30 2021 No.36519456 >>36519149 That's why fighting is a "play" to her. A real fight wouldn't last.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 23:04:05 2021 No.36522349 >>36519149 Sane can be said about the abilities of most powerful 2hus. She probably won't be able to deal with the hourai immortals either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 23:37:11 2021 No.36522686 >>36516726 Even my dad can beat Hecatia, she's just a dumb bitch with poor sense of fashion lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 11 23:39:12 2021 No.36522706 >>36517222 Yes, every 2hu is beatable with the right opportunity, but Yukari can escape from most of the situations easily, so by that point of view, she's even stronger.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 12 14:15:45 2021 No.36530246 >>36519149 One punch girl.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 12 15:27:32 2021 No.36531343 How strong characters who are said to be strong but almost never show their true abilities like Aya and Alice?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 12 23:50:26 2021 No.36535683 >>36519149 She barely anything at all outside of psychopath and destruction memes. Damn near all of the SDM has little about them which sucks since they all have one or two shit memes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 13 11:43:54 2021 No.36541921 >>36531343 My guess is that they at least go up one Tier. The outcome of matches will depend on thier Abilities and Circumstances

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 13 16:38:35 2021 No.36545577 File: 672 KB, 932x853, 1620344803357.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36522349 Flan is getting bullied!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 13 16:48:00 2021 No.36545711 File: 732 KB, 1500x1498, 1628719622469.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yuyuko is the strongest!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 13 19:03:38 2021 No.36547457 Ok but aside from Reimu, how strong are the other humans?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 13 19:07:43 2021 No.36547501 >>36522686 shut up hades, your dad is a bunch of burger helper in hell and zeus gave hecatia free reign

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 13 19:39:10 2021 No.36547791 File: 1.41 MB, 980x1374, Shiki.Eiki.full.1128219.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36545711 I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 14 11:38:04 2021 No.36554415 >>36547791 Why...?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 14 23:44:55 2021 No.36561841 File: 2.03 MB, 1135x938, 1617365874510.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Never underestimate the forever starving ghost of gluttony.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 14 23:58:59 2021 No.36561942 >>36561841 Bros why did bombergrape betray us for kancolle...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 15 00:01:18 2021 No.36561962 >>36386516 hi cirno

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 15 00:03:01 2021 No.36561978 File: 438 KB, 1024x768, 1627584415905.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36384239 >Is it possible to defeat Yukarin? Yukarin. >Which 2hu could do it? How exactly? Yukarin! >Is every 2hu beatable in some way? Yukarin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 15 00:06:41 2021 No.36562035 >>36547501 Hades doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who start fights no reason, now his son zagreus on the other hand would probably start a fight with Hecatia.

Anonymous Wed Sep 15 04:40:49 2021 No.36565271

>>36562035
Yeah you're right, Hades is pretty fucking Chill. All he does is govern the Underworld and wait for the time of the year he can meet his wife again.

What i don't understand is how the fuck Hecatia came to be a Goddes of Hell. Her domain should be Magic.

Anonymous Wed Sep 15 08:00:36 2021 No.36566270
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>>36554415
Yuyuko is Ghost, the Spirit/Soul of a Dead Person, whose power is to invoke death in people. Shikieiki on the other hand, is not only outside of the Life and Death Cycle, but also the Judge of Paradies.

Yuyu's power won't work on her while Eiki has complete Authority over Yuyuko.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 15 10:47:26 2021 No.36567120 >>36519149 >>36535683 Flandre is a hikki-NEET who's full of sass and is an introvert. The psycho stuff is mostly just memes. While she has "insane" moments, most of the time she's just chill and kind of creepy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 15 10:49:05 2021 No.36567130 >>36517368 >Defying Fate It's not defying fate, it's controlling fate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 15 10:49:36 2021 No.36567132 >>36516780 That only pisses her off. See: LoLK Sanae extra

Anonymous Wed Sep 15 10:50:43 2021 No.36567139

>>36516726
>These two should be her equals considering thier status
sage != powerful, Okina would be strong because she's a high faith uber hindu goddess, and Kasen would be strong because she's one of the strongest oni, but neither are strong "because they are sages"

Anonymous Wed Sep 15 12:15:05 2021 No.36567845

>>36567139
Sages=powerful, but not in the way of they are powerful because they are sages, but theyre sages because theyre poweful. You have to be insanely powerful if you're heavily responsible for Gensokyo to exist and barricading it from the outside world

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 15 18:54:55 2021 No.36572609 >>36567139 I disagree with this one >>36567845 I agree with this one

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 16 06:03:45 2021 No.36578640 >>36567845 Not really. They're strong and they happen to be sages.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 16 06:15:11 2021 No.36578714 Orange

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 00:00:21 2021 No.36588419 >>36578714 which one? the cat or the 2hu that everyone forgot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 05:24:19 2021 No.36603222 >>36588419 >the 2hu that everyone forgot. ??

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 06:10:36 2021 No.36616954 >>36384346 >Protagonism That shouldn't count.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 16:36:23 2021 No.36623363 File: 95 KB, 320x200, mimichan.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36603222 Do yourself a favor and play the PC98 games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 19:13:40 2021 No.36625261 So aside from Seiga Kaku, Seija Kijin and Okina Matara. Which 2hu would you actually describe as Evil

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 19:23:50 2021 No.36625344 >>36475684 Or Okina doesn't really care about Gensokyo and just want to bait Hecatia in order to fight her, god vs god.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:57:19 2021 No.36626070 I could beat any 2hu

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 00:04:19 2021 No.36627321 >>36567845 >but theyre sages because theyre poweful That does not make sense. Look up what sage means. >>36578640 Exactly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 05:06:40 2021 No.36629517 >>36516046 >straight fight what about a gay fight?

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 05:18:09 2021 No.36629554

>>36475365
Exactly. That's why I said it would be hard to determine one's true power by what we see in-game. Fights using danmaku does not give an accurate representation as to one's true power level. It's a type of mock fight created by the Hakurei shrine maiden. Anyone can win like Cirno against Okina. ZUN very rarely admits to the true power level of Touhou characters. He did so on a few occasions like with Hecatia but other than that there are few indications as to how X character can beat Y character in a full power level fight. Did Reimu defeat Yukari in PCB? Yes, she did beat her by the spell card rules. Can she beat Yukari in a true fight? That is a bit more unclear and it's up for speculation.

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 05:45:21 2021 No.36629657

>>36625261
Seiga is only evil in terms of Hermit beliefs, she's more morally grey if anything. She does some weird shit with dead babies but still shows her kindness, but only to specific people. I don't think she would be doing things like taking good care of Yoshika if she was 100% evil. Just a troll.

Anyway with that out of the way, characters like Yacchie and Tsukasa are the closest to being evil. Yacchie because she's a ruthless gang leader who's manipulative as fuck, and Tsukasa for similar reasons but she can't really help being two faced since it's the defining trait of her species in terms of Touhou lore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 10:26:55 2021 No.36631155 File: 2.64 MB, 2503x2765, 1629892905158.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36625261 Excuse me asshole, are you going to call this cute girl evil? Apologize, or you will get farted on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 23:15:27 2021 No.36639444 >>36631155 ZUN himself called her evil. That said I don't really agree with him, or I'd say her tier of evil is extraordinarily low.

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 23:17:20 2021 No.36639455

>>36629657
>. I don't think she would be doing things like taking good care of Yoshika if she was 100% evil.
The fact that Yoshika is "alive" at all is ABSURDLY evil. Look more into Yoshika's state as well. She's a trapped soul constantly trying to remember who she was, and she's a slave to a selfish madwoman. It's horrible. She literally should be dead.

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 23:39:02 2021 No.36639577

>>36639455
There's a doujinshi about Yoshika somehow regaining free will and taking advantage of that to get away from Seiga. I think the author did a great job at transcribing what could be her state of mind after being kept alive for so long.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/pools/16722

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 23:46:01 2021 No.36639627
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>>36625261
Tewi and also most but not all Lunarians (Houyi, Chang'e/Jouga). Any Lunarians that we have actually seen have been fine, if not morally gray (to put it lightly--especially Eirin who is a literal and very deliberate murderer), but according to them most Lunarians are racist fucks who would glass the earth in a heartbeat if they felt they had to.

Anyway about Tewi
<- repost whenever someone doesn't know what's wrong with Tewi
Tewi isn't a prankster, btw. She never pranks anyone in canon and the only profiles that ever say she pranks people were probably not written by ZUN (Strange Creators profile) or were referring to Inaba, which isn't canon (Bougetsushou website). She has only ever participated in scams and general deceit, as well as blackmailing others (Eirin) or trying to get dirt on weaknesses of other groups. And of course, pic related is about how she artificially creates new youkai life by forcing her own kind through harrowing experiences. Keep in mind: she says she's a rabbit who was thrown away but that is a lie, she's a rabbit who became a youkai through excessive self care and survival. Less evil, but more revealing, is Reisen BAiJR article outlining a conflict where Reisen is angry about rabbits being eaten by humans. Tewi's attribution to the article is:
>"They're ordinary, helpless rabbits. Humans are gluttonous pigs who'll eat anything, so I guess it's simply unavoidable that a few will get eaten. If they want humans to stop eating them, they'll have to look a lot more charming. You can't eat something cute, right?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 23:50:40 2021 No.36639657 >>36639627 My file's fucked up!!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 23:53:50 2021 No.36639681 File: 3.94 MB, 1500x4386, Tewi is evil.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36639627 >>36639657 Here we go. THIS image

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 00:11:39 2021 No.36639814 >>36639681 I love this part from WaHH, clever writing from ZUN and superb illustrations from Azmaya.

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 05:10:17 2021 No.36641739

>>36639627
I don't know that Tewi is as evil as you claim, because we don't know to what end she does all of this.
Her way of making youkai rabbits is cruel, but it's also insanely fast by comparison to how long it takes for youkai to form normally. The bunnies might have wanted to be like her so she made up the plan or she is simply using them since the bunnies likely just do anything she tells them.
Her lying, blackmail and scams are bad things, but really you should expect these out of any youkai if they can't frighten or mess with people like for example Mami and her band of puppies can.

I simply wouldn't put her on the same level as Seiga, Seija or the lunarians is all I'm saying.

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 05:43:23 2021 No.36641916

>>36641739
I mean, the means is torture, death, and depression that she is aware of, but the rabbits aren't expecting. It's also designed to make their suffering and resentment worse by first giving them something seemingly good. And, at the end of the day, they will return to her control. That's another aspect: they're literally her slaves.

I mean shit, Seiga has enslaved one person, Tewi has enslaved an entire race.

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 08:50:20 2021 No.36642872
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>>36641916
The difference would be intent behind the action for me.
Seiga would absolutely do the same or worse with humans if it amused or was of use to her. Lucky for everyone else that she is so obsessed with Yoshika, everyone but Yoshika that is.

Tewi is taking advantage of peaceful gensokyo to build up her stock of slave bunnies for ??? purpose with little to no regard to the bunnies according to you.

I have no problem with how you describe the methods and it's safe to assume the bunnies don't fully know what is going to happen to them. Tewi could have promised them power or a life similiar to Kaguyas for all we know or they just find it fun to follow Tewis lead.
Could she simply be giving her fellow rabbits a way to attain humanoid forms and a modicum of power out of more than just self serving purposes? We don't know, she dodges Kasens questions by explaining her methods and then hoisting a bunny on her. It sure paints her as a nasty villain and comes straight out of Tewis mouth so I don't fully trust it.

My personal issue and why I partly agree she is evil is the part where she lets them live on the street until taking them back or get gutted by humans who don't want them anymore, then again it's propably neccessary for them to become youkai (it's pretty much the same as how tsukumogami are born, just doesn't take as long)

This is all ignoring the way Tewi herself became a youkai because it's not realistically possible to replicate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 17:05:10 2021 No.36648239 >>36641739 Why is Seija evil? As far as I remember she tries to dismantle Gensokyo's hierarchy but ends up being otherwise useless at it.

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 01:23:46 2021 No.36652323

>>36648239
She is malicious, categorically. Her malice only ever manifests in trying to be dislike, even if in order to do that she would go so far as to topple society simply because toppling society is the extreme manifestation of her nature.

It doesn't seem that she would ever kill or seriously harm anyone. Even if she enslaved all of Gensokyo, that would become the status quo, and so she would rebel against the new order that she herself had established. Further the end result of her worst actions have been a sense of betrayal of trust, and maybe some torn clothing. So, while ZUN might call her evil, it IMO is a very low tier of evil.

>>36642872
As someone who sincerely believes that Tewi is evil, and possibly the most evil character in Touhou, I think the best possible read of her actions is to say that "the means don't matter to the results". In the end, the rabbits achieve sentience. In the end, the rabbits attain power. She blackmailed Eirin to grant rabbits knowledge in exchange for keeping Eirin, Kaguya, and eventually Reisen safe. She seems to be seeking the means to elevate either herself or her race to higher levels, similar to the goals of Wriggle and Kutaka. Problem is, she's basically being a Griffith about it. She doesn't care that she's making so many, I guess, "people" suffer. She does not care if rabbits live or die regardless--self admitted. She controls all rabbits, ordinary or youkai, and they only listen to her. While she said she wanted to grant them knowledge, she is not using that evidently, as most rabbits are only little workers for her.

They all definitely seem happy in the end, but then you have to question if that happiness is even real, and then question that if it isn't, if it's just mind control, does that matter? They're still happy, they're more powerful than regular rabbits, they have means. Other than Griffith, Tewi also reminds me of the Pale King from Hollow Knight. Basically, she's playing god with an entire race, "for their own good" (BIG maybe).

It's all hard to say, and most of Tewi's actions merely serve her own personal gain, but yeah. Ultimately, because rabbits ARE weak I don't think Tewi can ever be the threat she seems to wish to be, but at the least she can be a queen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 01:24:42 2021 No.36652327 >>36652323 >sentience sapience*, technically

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 01:35:55 2021 No.36652397

>>36652323
So she really is just a cartoon villain, in that case worse that could happen would just be major repercusions as consequence of her toppling Gensokyo's power structure, like civil wars between the youkai groups or endangering the human village or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 01:39:58 2021 No.36652430 >>36652397 She can't succeed because she's weak and everyone else is strong and even with her cheating she is only one person, but yeah, she's not really dangerous regardless

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 01:46:38 2021 No.36652470 >>36652430 Despite being weak, she did well enough to fend off everyone not holding back during ISC.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 01:52:07 2021 No.36652501 >>36652470 She had cheats, anon, the cheats I just mentioned

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 01:55:24 2021 No.36652522 >>36652501 I really just mentally filtered that, sorry.

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 03:17:38 2021 No.36653133

>>36652323
It's "the end justifies the means" you should know that, what with comparing Tewi to Griffith.
You could also argue that Tewi is simply making sure she and the rabbits can better protect Eientei from other youkai, she is oddly loyal to Eirin after all.
Don't know where you pulled:
>I don't think Tewi can ever be the threat she seems to wish to be, but at the least she can be a queen.
from, but I simply don't agree. She is doing what everyone else is doing, creating more youkai and strenghtening her faction.
Just because you don't like humans being selfish for killing and abandoning rabbits they bought themselves it doesn't make Tewi into this mind controlling super villain.
She isn't any worse than Mamizou.

>>36648239
Seija is by nature Evil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanojaku
Still mostly harmless, even with the mallet and cheat items.

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 05:08:47 2021 No.36653977

>>36653133
>She is doing what everyone else is doing, creating more youkai and strenghtening her faction.
>Just because you don't like humans being selfish for killing and abandoning rabbits they bought themselves it doesn't make Tewi into this mind controlling super villain.
She SOLD them after CAGING them are you retarded? She is also the one that offered the business. It's arguably worse than humans just capturing and eating the damn things. Hell it is worse, it's slavery, it's why Kasen lambasts her, because what she is doing is objectively and unarguably fucked up. It's evil. Well, she IS a youkai. It's not like those tend to be inherently "nice"
>She isn't any worse than Mamizou.
Fucking what? Mamizou does nothing similar.

Cut it with the condescending bullshit, by the way.

Also
>she is oddly loyal to Eirin after all
She frequently ignores Eirin and Eirin herself says she has no control over Tewi, she merely trusts Tewi to probably not fuck them all over/to help them when it matters. It's not really loyalty, it's just business.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 09:29:20 2021 No.36655315 Sakuya is the strongest, you just can't beat time stopping.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 10:01:50 2021 No.36655427 >>36655315 Yes, you can. Be outside of Time and Space so her Powers won't Work on you, have heigh enough Durability that she won't be able to hurt you (Tenshi) etc. etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 11:31:39 2021 No.36656038 >>36625261 Okina isn't evil, she uses terror for the greater good

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 13:36:02 2021 No.36657750 >>36655315 Yukari can manipulate time too, and even better than Sakuya.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 13:50:19 2021 No.36657977 >>36657750 Has she shown the ability to do so somewhere or is this just speculation ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 13:57:21 2021 No.36658074 >>36657977 No, she cannot manipulate time whatsoever. If she had such a broken ability, she would absolutely use it the several times it would have seriously helped her. Like, for instance, when her new best friend killed herself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 14:04:04 2021 No.36658163 >>36657977 Do you know what "boundaries" mean?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 14:08:21 2021 No.36658229 >>36658163 Do you know that Yukari has hard limitations and can't even reach the moon the boundary manipulation without extremely specific conditions and literal ages of research?

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 14:14:03 2021 No.36658293

>>36657750
If she's able to manipulate abstract concepts, yes, she can manipulate time. And yes, I know that she already manipulated things like the concept of master and slave, but that's generally the only example (I think)... In my opinion, she can manipulate certain abstract things, I really believe time is one of those things, but EVERYTHING as some people say, I don't agree.

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 14:21:16 2021 No.36658394

>>36658293
There's no "belief"--she's never done it and evidently cannot despite it definitely being a thing she WOULD use if she could. The series has also suggested/shown that deliberate time travel isn't even possible anyway, and even the time-stopper claims that she cannot stop time (though she might have been bullshitting given the context of making that statement). More importantly there are things Yukari cannot control

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 14:30:54 2021 No.36658517 >>36567845 Yukari and Okina are powerful, but Kasen?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 14:44:53 2021 No.36658708 >>36657977 Imperishable Night

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 14:46:41 2021 No.36658738

>>36658517
Kasen is one of the big 4 oni, so one of the strongest among the strongest race of youkai. Some think because she's a sage then she must also be stronger than Suika and Yuugi, but Suika was the leader of the leaders. That said in myth Ibaraki is sometimes Shuten-doujis equal (and/or lover)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 14:52:00 2021 No.36658813 >>36658517 Maybe after she reunites with her arm.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 15:00:36 2021 No.36658923 >>36657977 the problem is, you accept the fighting games and mangas written by zun as canon? if you just consider the main shmup games, every character will look less powerful

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 05:03:01 2021 No.36668437 >>36631155 She is evil, you asshole.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 05:57:23 2021 No.36668953 >>36658923 I accept all that is canon in these kind of discussion. Manga, Games, Novels etc. as long as they were written by ZUN. If Yukari didn't do it within any of these Medias then it's just Speculation

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 07:42:34 2021 No.36669668 Powerlevel discussions are gay and ZUN is a hack character writer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:37:50 2021 No.36672265 >>36669668 Well they are a lot better then the same old discussion of which 2hu Anon wants to fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:58:52 2021 No.36672472 >>36672265 Anons should describe in more detail why they want to fuck and or marry their 2hu and not just post horny thoughts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 18:37:52 2021 No.36676791 >>36672265 I would take 10 powerlevel threads over 1 imagedump thread. At least with these you get character discussion instead of braindead horniness.

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 18:56:36 2021 No.36677009

Sanae could since she has canonically ripped off miracles from the Old Testament. So she could replicate Sodom and Gamorrah given Gensokyo is filled with homosexuals.

The downside is it would be nuking all of Gensokyo at once, not just Yukari. And it would have to be a first strike kind of thing with prep time...she'd have to like pray in some remote corner for like a week or something and hope to not be noticed. No way in a duel context.

Mokou would be a terrible choice though. Yukari could just gap her into the center of the Earth and leave her buried alive for trillions of years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 20:51:00 2021 No.36678200 >>36676791 I enjoy both

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 06:45:16 2021 No.36684019 >>36669668 You like weak shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 06:45:26 2021 No.36684020 >>36657750 [citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 07:31:34 2021 No.36684314 ZUN himself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 15:42:15 2021 No.36688929 >>36684019 You are a faggot. Power levels are gay, power level discussions are gay. If you like them, you are gay. I rest my case.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 16:57:18 2021 No.36689827 >>36672472 I want to marry Eirin because she's smart, kind, beautiful and has an interesting job. Plus, I could help her look after the Princess and the rabbits.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 17:50:36 2021 No.36690479 >>36689827 >kind Isn't she a murdere who would have killed a innocent human who accidentally got to on Moon if it weren't for the Hime Sisters stopping her ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 17:53:53 2021 No.36690532 >>36690479 Yeah and she nearly shafted that fat purple neet right in the back.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 17:55:39 2021 No.36690551 >>36430532 She's checking her gap

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 21:24:03 2021 No.36692695 >>36690532 Oh yeah, she could/would have killed Patchy! You know, for a Doctor she sure seems to to be involved in a lot of sketchy situations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 21:27:36 2021 No.36692740 File: 117 KB, 1300x1700, 1603400005882.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36384239 BEHOLD THE VNDEFETABLE YOVKAI OF DARKNESS

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 21:30:46 2021 No.36692768 File: 48 KB, 509x339, istockphoto-1065624054-170667a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36692740 Behold, her greatest Enemy!!!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 24 21:32:20 2021 No.36692788 File: 288 KB, 800x800, 1489797980974.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36692768 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 25 04:23:20 2021 No.36696481 >>36692695 Doctors are out heroes!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 25 15:55:05 2021 No.36704685 >>36696481 Not Eirin apparently.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 08:12:47 2021 No.36713790 File: 32 KB, 500x500, 41344f73f5f9fb742dec73f5ac262162.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>36696481

Anonymous Sun Sep 26 09:36:37 2021 No.36714523
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>>36517288
>>36517368
I strongly believe that Flandre might be the strongest of them all. She just doesn't want to use her power unless it's nessesary.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 10:52:49 2021 No.36715242 File: 172 KB, 850x1013, 1629414907858.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3656194 Don't make me remember. After Cirno, pic related I'd say.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 10:58:34 2021 No.36715318 >>36715242 meant for >>36561942 >Bros

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 11:04:30 2021 No.36715417 >>36714523 Bullshit, Sakuya or Yuyuko could kill her will mid to low difficulty

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