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Yukari maintains the boarder, but I can't remember if there were calculations involved. I've seen posts about it in the past, but I can't remember them.
What kind of stuff would Yukari be calculating anyway if anyone can just wander in? There's also Reimu. Why would she need to guard the barrier if she can just send people back to the outside world of their choosing?

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>>35622076
Calculating her astronomical age lmao

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Look at it this way.

On most browsers, you can bring up your browsing history by pressing Control-H. (No, this is not going to become a discussion of werecows.) On Firefox, this brings up a sidebar that shows up on the left side of the window. If you put your mouse over the edge of the sidebar, the cursor will turn into a different kind of arrow. By clicking and dragging it, you can move the edge of the sidebar back and forth. You are, to put it another way, manipulating the border between the normal window and the history window. By moving the mouse, you can increase the portion of the window devoted to either part. In a more extreme view of this situation, you're increasing or decreasing the amount of existence the sidebar has.

Now, let's apply this idea to something more abstract. Look out your window. If you don't live in a highly urbanized area, you should be able to see the horizon. Think of this as the border between the land and the sky. The land and sky are obviously distinguishable thanks to this boundary. Now, if you were to "drag" the sash between the sky and the land, or to manipulate the border between land and sky, you would end up causing the sky to become larger and the land to become smaller, or vice versa. An effect of this might be to cause something that was just on the ground to suddenly be hundreds of feet in the air. Truly a frightening situation to be in. So, look at it this way - manipulating the border between two physical things shifts whatever balance there is in the interaction between those things. Alternatively, by manipulating the border between two things, you can change the manner in which they exist.

Still, this isn't *that* abstract, since it's still dealing with real things in the real world. Many believe that in this world, there are those things that are true, and those that obviously aren't. This divides reality into two extremes: truth and falsehood. But, since we have two extremes, logically one can imagine a boundary between those two extremes - the border between truth and lies. If one were to manipulate this border, suddenly things that were pure fantasy (flying pigs, for the sake of argument) have become reality - or things from reality have ceased to exist. This is how Yukari is said to have invaded the moon - by manipulating the border between truth and lies, as applied to the reflection of the moon on a pond, she was able to make the reflection of the moon into a manifestation of the actual moon, and so send her youkai army onto it. This is what's truly amazing about Yukari's power - the ability to manipulate the border between completely abstract concepts allows her to fundamentally change reality as we know it (at least in terms of two abstract concepts).

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>>35622076
Yukari guards the barrier to ensure no military personnel or other important figures drop through
If they die to a feral youkai, or worse, radio in about sketchy shit before dying, there'll be a major search and could put gensokyo under the full hostile gaze of the Japanese government
A thing that would spell doom for Yukari's little bottle world
So she combs the barrier to ensure the only people falling through are unimportant jobbers for whom little effort will be expended looking for

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I'd manipulate Yukari's border, if you know what I mean.

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>>35632804
crocodile tears.

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>>35636584
>crocodile
imagine yukari biting down on your arm and then death rolling...

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>>35636790
>imagine yukari biting down on your arm and then death rolling...
all she has to do is snap her neck side to side and let physics do the work.

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So gensokyo would job to an entire modern army? And for added effect let’s have every country against gensokyo

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>>35638324
>So gensokyo would job to an entire modern army?
Yes. It is very likely. If they have a competent leader, there is no reason to not believe that there would be a one sided stomp due to differences in technology.

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>>35638324
Depending on who strikes first, right?
There are oni who could level armies but how would they fare against bullets?
Do any youkai have something on the level of planet-cleansing? Like a “kill all life outside of gensokyo” potential?

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>>35622076
so when can I get my turn to fuck Nue?

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>>35638324
Youkai number in the mere thousand at best nationwide, and are stated to be vulnerable to fire and decapitation even by conventional means
In other words, incendiary weapons, HE weapons or regular ole missiles and airstrikes would permanently kill youkai just fine
additionally, the claims of their hyper regeneration mean that they can be harmed and incapacitated by other means, just getting back up quickly
Combine the two, like a machine gun on a truck and a boot with a flamethrower, and feral youkai start dying in droves
And due to youkai being superhumanly strong man eaters, these weapons would be used very liberally to minimize friendly casualties in direct engagements
All it takes is a picture of a half eaten corpse of a JSDF boot for the napalm to get rolled out with FEELING

Their only hope to avoid extinction is unconditional surrender

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>>35640803
>All it takes is a picture of a half eaten corpse of a JSDF boot for the napalm to get rolled out with FEELING
Wouldn't this backfire? That'd also spread the fear of youkai among the outside world, feeding the youkai.

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>>35640865
>That'd also spread the fear of youkai Among the outside world, feeding the youkai.
Given that the general populace harbors idiots easily swayed by emotion, maybe.
It wouldn't backfire at all because of propaganda. At most, they'll try to figure out what happened, and if it happens again, Gensokyo is undoubtedly toast.

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>>35640931
>Gensokyo is undoubtedly toastly
I don't see it being that easy, youkai are both extremely stronger than you're expecting them to be and not as braindead as to allow themselves to just be mowed down like wild game. If armies around the world struggle against regular humans in underdog guerilla warfare imagine them against supermonsters.
If things were to be predicted to go negatively for youkai the sages would probably just relocate before battling at all.

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>>35641091
They struggled because they were either long term occupation and peacekeeping ops where the enemy has a limitless manpower and support from the local population, or politically restricted conflicts
In 'Nam, the US could not directly send forces into the north because China would have gotten involved like they did in Korea, so to prevent escalation the US was restricted to only questionably effective strat bombing, rather than the direct invasion that was required to end the war, while the north held no such restrictions
In any of the sandpits, the local population did not want democracy or any of that shit, they either their backwards theocracy, or just wanted the western outsiders to fuck off

For youkai, their numbers are extremely few and any losses they take cannot be recovered from
They can punch well above their weight class, but raw numbers and firepower would overwhelm individuals, and airstrikes would obliterate groups
Additionally, their monsterous nature and the fact that they live in the wilderness means that there are little restrictions on what can be rolled out against them

Moving gensokyo doesn't really save them because of satellite imaging
A well populated town appearing out of thin air would cause great confusion and investigation, which would then result in war as a feral attacks the investigators and kills the lot of them
They need the barrier or they're fucked and have to surrender to whatever mercy the disgusted and angry troops have, there is nowhere to hide

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>>35641659
Younger and lower youkai are said to be weaker and more impulsive and might be the easiest to deal with, but how about stuff like the sages, tengus or oni? Yuugi's deal is being so stupidly strong it's unexplainable and is speculated she might just be able to destroy buildings with her footsteps, imagine having that deployed on a city. Yukari's deal is being stupidly smart and being able to do anomalous activities through the vague concept of the boundary, she's already commanded a youkai army before, what's stopping her from deploying another army but this time on human cities?
>For youkai, their numbers are extremely few and any losses they take cannot be recovered from
They absolutely can, new youkai are born and driven into gensokyo. Stuff that would live in the outside world like a youkai related to technology would end up dying off due to the lack of faith. Without the barrier and with the general knowledge of youkai being spread worldwide their ranks would definitely end up refilling or powered up.
>A well populated town appearing out of thin air would cause great confusion and investigation
They can either camouflage the settlement to fit a local enviroment or reporpuse an established settlement as a new safe haven, they don't need to bring the whole village back. They could also just go to an unconnected human settlement and terrorize the local population. If there's one thing youkai like is not to make themselves an easy target and to stay off the grid as much as possible, it's not weird to think they'd be able to utilize counter measures to ensure they'd be able to safely relocate.

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>>35641833
>but how about stuff like the sages, tengus or oni?
Pretty sure Megumu would sell her people if it weren't a political play to stand for them. PoWs don't quite fly, and suicidal soldiers only put them at a disadvantage. Especially with the caste system the Tengu have.
The sages would probably be at eachothers necks on who fucked up the barrier.
I can't see oni caring that much about a war with the outside world.
>what's stopping her from deploying another army but this time on human cities?
The fact that some people are batshit insane.

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>>35641833
Not him, but
>but how about stuff like the sages, tengus or oni?
Pretty sure Megumu would sell her people if it weren't a political play to stand for them. PoWs don't quite fly, and suicidal soldiers only put them at a disadvantage. Especially with the caste system the Tengu have.
The sages would probably be at eachothers necks on who fucked up the barrier.
I can't see oni caring that much about a war with the outside world.
>what's stopping her from deploying another army but this time on human cities?
The fact that some people are batshit insane.

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>>35641947
Against a common threat even humans that would otherwise do nothing but infight and bicker would attempt to at least try to fight off the bigger enemy. Why would youkai be interested in youkai politics during a period of time where their livelihood is at danger?
>I can't see oni caring that much about a war with the outside world.
If the humans are going to for some reason rage a war against the youkai then I can't see them suddenly stopping before going against the youkai that are actually dangerous against humans like underground youkai are.
>The fact that some people are batshit insane.
If people are insane then imagine ultra powerful scary monsters that wanted nothing but to get drunk and play firework fights against each other but are getting their fun interrupted by overconfident humans.
Best bet is that youkai since like to keep it cool then let's stay on each other's side of the boundary.

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nice outside world you have, would be a shame if every living being were disintegrated

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>>35642352
This war is between the outside world and gensokyo get out of here moon people

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>>35642016
>Why would youkai be interested in youkai politics during a period of time where their livelihood is at danger?
because nobody fucking trusts Yukari? That's like telling Americans to work with the Chinese in order to defeat some sort of super alien. It's just not happening.
>>35642352
You already lost. Crawl back into that crater you call an empire.

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>>35622136
not even cirno can tend to that burn.

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>>35642352
Why would moonies give a shit?

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>>35654181
Why would America give a shit if some JSDF Soldier goes missing in an exercise?

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>>35654181
moonies give a shit because their nemesis on earth is the US from the sheer asskicking they got in the moon missions from nasa, now imagine if the US actually found out the moonies were actively fucking with earth.

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>>35630923
I don't get it?

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>>35662793
Want to know what's funny? The fact that I got the joke when I first read it, but don't understand it now.

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Yukarin is smart

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Yukarin is dumb

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>>35676001
Fuck you

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>>35677049
calm down.

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Yukari gapped knowledge into her head. She didn't learn it with her own mental ability.

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>>35677049
She's dumb and now I hate her

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>>35687288
>now
that implies you didn't before.

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>>35623256
>If you put your mouse over the edge of the sidebar, the cursor will turn into a different kind of arrow
No it doesn't

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>>35691843
it does. same with any other program.

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>>35697889
Those two are being awfully friendly with her...

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>>35708120
Kasen is friendly to mostly everyone, but I can understand the suspicion around Yukari.

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>>35687288
She's smart and now I love her

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>>35622076
Good thread

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>>35697889
>>35708120

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>>35642352
Aren't the Lunarians doomed with a stagnant and hypocritical existence anyways?

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>>35726167
they still get to have a "I win" button for whatever fucking reason

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>>35726167
Yeah, but that doesn't stop Lunarians from running away to Gensokyo.

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>>35622076
What is yukari?

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>>35737402
A youkai, but some say she was human at one point, tying her to Merry and Renko.

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>>35744265
Is she bulletproof?

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>>35749293
you need about 23 minutes of continuous automatic fire to defeat her

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>>35622076
mods can go eat shit, we shoudln't be subject for this bullshit. We made it clear this bullshit is not coexistiting well with current state of /jp/ and they clearly ignore it. i guess 2hu is dead anyway since we have given too much room for faggots who drive for their own agena.

and mods delete everything that is pointing it out or is aganist it.

/jp/ is dead unless people tell mods to fuck off, we dont have our meido anymore, we have a fucking /vteen/ as a mod.

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>>35749469
Your anger is justified.
It's not that people aren't telling mods to piss off, it's that they are and they are being banned for it.
Your only hope now is to drive them out, or keep alive what has existed on the board. Something people seem to not understand yet.

If you want change, go complain on /qa/. That place is infested with mods so they'll see it either way. Make a good argument. Nobody is going to read your shit if you start screaming buzzwords.

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>>35749526
yeah i know but thanks for head's up, but still, we shouldn't be in this situation, most in here have seen this bullshit from miles away, that clearly our current mod is not up for his job.

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>>35756685
They can't shelter us.

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>>35638324
>>35640803
It's not the fucking GATE that would do them in - the amount of effort it would take to full on assault Gensokyo would leave the JSDF crippled and vulnerable to outside attack by the time they've won, but the quality of life that would see the village noping out of her contract in a week.
Youkai weren't killed by cannons and artillery shells, but ideas more appealing than power through brute strength.

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Yukarin only thinks about what dinner to cook for me every day

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>>35780952
Youkai have probably never faced artillery, and cannons were rare as shit and expensive, so its a tossup if they faced those either
in either case, they definitely haven't faced the far more accurate modern artillery
besides, I pointed out air power would be used for a fucking reason
those can cover a dramatically larger area, and would be more than able to evaporate the youkai they slam a missile on top of, and hurt like the dickens in a near miss
an important note: supersonic strike aircraft and missiles can hit their targets before the enemy knows they're even coming if they don't have good visibility, like when in a fucking forest
this ain't ww1, its not mass infantry waves against fortified positions anymore

ultimately, the goal above all will be securing their surrender, not annihilation
the sight and sound of regular fly overs and airstrikes will be more damaging to their morale than they would actually need to be physically
and since youkai are not a unified group, but a cluster of hyper individualistic monsters, there's not much stopping them from surrendering piecemeal

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>>35787468
Facing them perhaps not. But considering the number of youkai who fed on battlefield corpses and those who would hunt survivors of routed armies they would at least be aware of them and the destruction which they were capable of if only through rumor, and know enough to think that it probably isn't a good idea to be on the other side of them. Mamizou, the Scarlet sisters, and Yukari most certainly would know of them and how effective they could potentially be. Also since Touhou occurs in a not too distant future where everything that is forgotten in the real world finds its way to Gensokyo, there is a pretty good chance works of western literature would end up there and would reference the many wars Europeans fought with artillery serving as the queen of the battle field for centuries.

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>>35787468
besides, most youkai have some massive disadvantages that can be easily exploited by humans thanks to modern technology, you can have an ARMY of onis from the former hell rushing at you, just drop tonnes of beans from an airplane on them and that's it lmao

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>>35781209
How nice of her.
She's practically a housewife.

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>>35789898
Far superior to any mortal female
Youkai make better mothers than them too

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>>35787649
that reminds me of The Salvation War, wherein the demonic army that initially invaded Iraq in 2004 got absolutely shredded by a blend of anti tank mines, razor wire, and liberal use of artillery and bombing, finally being pushed back from their gains and chased down by tanks to their portal
395k dead demons out of an army of 400k

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>>35801510
Sounds terrible.
>>35787468
I don't think they'd surrender in the face of technology. They'd try everything before fighting down to the last youkai in some manner. That assumes the war at hand isn't done for profit like wars today are.

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>>35805878
Why would they universally march to their death like that?
what would be pushing them to do that as a cohesive block instead of them acting as the self interested individuals they're shown as

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>>35787649
tons of youkai also have massives advantages that cannot be countered by any modern technology
try saving yourself from instant death by supernatural means or perhaps worse, agricultural devastation.
An army marches on it's stomach, as Napoleon said.
remember that yokai are actually very intelligent (from about to over human level) and not mindless zombies.

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>>35806297
It's an external attack on Gensokyo. It may as well be an invasion. I don't see that being something they'd surrender to. Where some might not care, there are others that do and will fight to the last man.

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>>35808111
youkai are overgrown spirits, not demigods
they can do minor damage, but they're nowhere near strong enough to cripple a nation
>>35817896
Any of them surrendering early on, and being well treated could easily prompt others to surrender as well
and since youkai are extremely limited in number, any such defections greatly diminish the damage that could be inflicted

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>>35818317
gensokyo also contains actual gods
tons of them, in fact

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>>35800610
They eat their kids.

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>>35821882
lower case g, not capital g
which then makes them overgrown spirits

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>>35622076
isn't Ran the one that actually runs maintenance of the Hakurei border anyways

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>>35828926
are you being retarded ironically

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>>35828956
Yeah. She's Yukari's errand girl.

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>>35828926
>lower case g, not capital g
You say that like it makes a difference when there's only one capital g.

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>>35828796
According to what myths

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>>35641091
This. Like how moonhags evacuated the moon upon invasion of fairies

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>>35840120
The moonhags evacuated out of paranoia. Other than that, the only real reason they left was because Junko was kicking their shit in.

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>>35842814
>Junko
Clownpiece**
still, it's pitiful.

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>>35622076
The problem for Gensokyo is if anyone of relevance ever actually finds out there are nations that are strong enough to shitstomp it into the ground, such as the US military, which ran over the lunarians in the 60's canonically, in addition would probably exploit the ever living fuck out of the land if it had proof of various things such as magic/youkai/literal fucking entrance to hell and the likes.

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>>35781209
probably the only thing she is good at

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>>35842895
the moonies didnt even fight back, they sat in the shadows and anyone trying to approach was rekt by the sheer impurity emitted
if it werent for the unique weakness of lunarians that led to them being subsequently BTFO by a fairy, Apollo 11 would have turned out like Apollo 13.

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>>35641659
>Moving gensokyo doesn't really save them because of satellite imaging
nigger, gensokyo is basically a pocket dimension. they cant monitor shit using satellites.

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>>35848814
The whole basis of this thought experiment was that gensokyo stopped being a protected pocket dimension
If it still was, there would be no threat to it

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>>35622076
She is creepy

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>>35842895
>if it had proof of various things such as magic/youkai/literal fucking entrance to hell and the likes.
Hell is endless, so they might use it as a waste dump. I don't see how something like magic would be usable though. They'd dismiss it along the lines of snake oil.

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>>35845678
No, she's good at math too.

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>>35856222
No, that's Tewi, she helped me with my calculus homework ages ago

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>>35856396
>Tewi
huh.

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>>35856222
i miss him