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>> No.3536308
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>> No.3536311

Is that a superior western sword?

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>> No.3536325

>>3536311

One need not use the term superior preceding "western sword," as European swordcraft is innately superior to that of the Orient.

>> No.3536329

That part always cracks me up.

>> No.3536331

>>3536325
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 1d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

>> No.3536333

>>3536331

Can we establish a direct causal relationship between that post and the masterwork copypasta?

>> No.3536360

>>3536307
>>3536308
Oh, Zelgadis, they don't make your character archetype enjoyable anymore.

Enough with the sword BS. Let's talk argue archery for once.

>> No.3536361

Different weapons for different situations.

>> No.3536367

>>3536361
For what situation, praytell, would a European longsword be better for anything than a katana?

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>> No.3536377

>>3536367

Thrusting

>> No.3536378

>>3536367
Being used to fight.

>> No.3536379

>>3536367
against plate armor you fag. stab into it

>> No.3536386

>>3536377
R. Lee Ermey disagrees, the Katana is better for that purpose too. The curve in the blade doesn't detract from a stabbing motion.

I don't see why everyone gets so butthurt or tries to tapdance around the fact that one is simply a better weapon than the other.

>> No.3536387

>>3536376
Well shit.

>> No.3536391

Indeed, katana possess impressive resilience and cutting power due to the technique used to make them, but they're nowhere near ideal for thrusting.

>> No.3536394

Japanese ore is very poor. Western swords needed none of the heavy workmanship to be made suitable for combat. They were better at withstanding a blow, and easily replaced if they were damaged.
The entire system of japanese swordsmanship revolved around quick, precise strikes precisely to avoid striking armor or another blade and possibly damaging your sword.
A western sword striking a japanese sword would likely snap the katana in half and possibly chip the longsword.
With the katana destroyed, the wielder was out of luck.
With the longsword damaged, the wielder just picked up another.

The difference in sword quality was 100% logistic. Japan had shit for ore. Europe had awesome ore.

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My dick is mightier than any sword. No joke.

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>> No.3536408

>>3536394
>ignoring the fact that you've been MYTHBUSTED

>> No.3536411

>>3536367
Why do you think katanas can parry katanas? Because they're made of the same substance, that doesn't just slice through itself. Steel.

Added with the fact that the metal purification process used by the Japanese - folding - can make the blade brittle ...

We had this conversation last night.

>> No.3536417

>>3536411
You forget that the added brittleness is accounted for by the differential hardening technique used in the production of katanas.

Look, they can't cut through blocks of steel the way they are portrayed, but they ARE a finer product than the European longsword. There's no need to get butthurt over it. Even with better weaponry, the Europeans would likely win in a hypothetical war, due to more available iron to make plate armor/a lot of replaceable swords

>> No.3536424

>>3536417
This
In reality, neither the katana or the longsword is particularly adept at cutting through PLATE armor, Both would more likely dent it than cut through it at all. The Europeans could simply out-armor them.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntXkuqZ2Fo4

>> No.3536433

>>3536386 R. Lee Ermey

I'm actually curious to know why he would be an expert on swords.

>> No.3536435

>>3536433
He's an expert on everything.

>> No.3536438

haha katanas

>> No.3536440

>>3536433
He compared the two, along with a cavalry saber, in a recent episode of Lock N' Load.

Really, neither weapon was terribly impressive at stabbing through plate armor. They'd both penetrate, but you'd be dealing with a flesh wound at worst.

>> No.3536441

>>3536428
44.95$ katana, ladies and gentleman

>> No.3536444

/r/ link to R Lee Ermey video

>> No.3536448

>>3536408

Oh please, all those tests proved were that under very unrealistic circumstances with beings of different builds and much greater strength/skill than the average soldier of either Japan or Europe could BREAK, not CUT a sword.


>>3536386

>The curve in the blade doesn't detract from a stabbing motion.

The weapon still suffers a problem that the longsword doesn't when thrusting: it's a weapon that should be wielded with 2 hands, rather than the longsword that is meant to be equipped with a shield. If you thrust and miss with a katana, you're fucked. At least with a longsword you have something else to protect you (bash with the shield or use it to cover yourself from your enemy's slashes).

>> No.3536449

>>3536440
>flesh wound

In b4.

>> No.3536453

Of course, we all know spears and arrows are better.

>> No.3536468

Man, 90s Slayers was god tier.

>> No.3536484

>>3536453
We should have a weapon tier list.
Though guns would have a list to itself.

>> No.3536486

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_RpbaUU7NI

>> No.3536496

>>3536484
Unless you want to do Arcanum-type stuff and nerf all guns.

>> No.3536506

>>3536484
God Tier
Spears Halberds
Overrated tier
Swords
Shiki Tier
Knives

>> No.3536510

Dead - as in that's what you will be if you mess with swords

Dying - as in that's what your family and friends are gonna be doing if you buy a sword

Don't - fuckin touch swords

>> No.3536513 [DELETED] 

>>3536506
You missed a shitload of weapons there, failfag.
Breaded Axes, for one.

>> No.3536517

>>3536510
>lol /jp/ will think im cool if i copy lines from a youtube link i posted 2 posts ago.

>> No.3536519

>>3536506
You missed a shitload of weapons there, failfag.
Bearded Axes, for one.

>> No.3536525

>>3536517
>implying I'm not cool
lol.

SWORDS WILL FUCKING CUT YOU WIDE OPEN

AM I COOL YET

>> No.3536531

>>3536394
Except that nobody uses swords for practical combat. It's always about spears.

Sage for starting this shit.

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