/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

What do people usually buy with their points?

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3492052
Everything.

[Anonymous No.]

Takeda/Uesugi/AdditionalCharacters or Takeda/Houjou/AdditionalCharacters.
All items and all misc bonuses, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

Hojou is just bad...Komatsu is useless without rance's love, and Nanjou ran is a sub-par diviner.

Unless the bonus allows you to get hojou soun really early, BEFORE you take over the hojou house...then it would be worth it. But AFAIK to get hojou soun you MUST defeat the hojou house first.

Hojou soun has decent stats, nanjo ran doesnt.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you get +5 points for clearing the kill toukichirou route?

[Anonymous No.]

I take the Houjou bonus just to spare myself all the Houjou cutscenes that delay other events, and of course the occasional unlucky encounter where Ran, from between two Ashigaru, decides to wipe out your entire army with Suzaku.
And mostly because the only other option is Uesugi, which is ridiculously easy to conquer, especially with autowins from having Rance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492106
Nope. True, Ran, Isoroku and Kenshin routes grant 5 points, for a total of +20.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492114
You can just spend 5 points more for masamune. You get 5 good characters for 20 points > you get 2 lame ones for 15 points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492117
I do occasionally, but then there's severe NP issues. I have to hurry to conquer stuff or I won't be able to get Gekkou.

[Anonymous No.]

I have 54 points...trying to think of what to buy...actually i dont even know what route i want to try this time round...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492164
54 is enough for an easy 1-Star Ran point run, which should give you at least another 60 points for future runs. If you like a bit of a challenge (and even then not that hard), 2-Star works too, but it only gives you something like 30 more points.
The most important bonuses to buy are always the 3rd action fan and the battle permits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492175
But you cant use the battle permits for a while right? As you need to conquer a minimum number of countries for 1k troop size.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3492164
Yamamoto is the more similar route. I suggest that.
Then Ran, then Kenshin.
Also, get Additional characters,+1 action fan, and spend 24 points in items.

[Anonymous No.]

Whats the difference between the difficulties anyway? Besides the higher points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492175
get 100+ troops satisfaction and your on your way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492190
100+ points on a 1 star run?

[Anonymous No.]

What are requirements for Rizna character clear? I talked with her several times and got up to her H scene but no events with her appear after that.

[Anonymous No.]

You need to find the random drop, sex medicine in dungeons.

[Anonymous No.]

How come no one recommends the Mouri bonus? Teru is a powerhouse. Motonari is a very solid warrior and comes decked out with Warrior Attack 2 and Commander Charge. Kiku has Assassination 2. And Chinu is the best girl in the game.

Sure, Gekkou is pretty cool, and Shinobu's DFC is a miracle of the universe. And Shizuka is a fun character, but I'm not impressed with mages in battle, since they're too slow to act more than once.

What it really comes down to, though, is that Chinu is perfect, and if are choosing some old ninja guy over her, you are an abomination.

[Anonymous No.]

Dokuganryuu every time for me. Omachi is just too good to leave until that late in the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492265
Teru is awesome against weak melee opponents, but otherwise she might as well be a generic.
Kiku is a good ninja, but the game's already full of those.
Chinu *explodes* in half the routes and she's a Miko, one of the worst types of units in the game. Her Poison ability is useless in the vast majority of battles.
Motonari is good, at least if you take great care not to clear him. Once you do he becomes horribly weak.
Mouri bonus is garbage compared to the Takeda one. You can take both and bear the NP issues for the first few turns, but then you might as well get the Dokuganryuu bonus instead, it's far better.
In short... take the Mouri bonus if you're a hardcore Mouri girls fan, but statistically speaking it's a very bad idea.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3492265
The maids are actually NOT that strong.
Kikku is the easiest to use and dominate with from even early on, since Teru lacks stats and Chinu relies on heavy numbers (current ones) and is slow. And motonari ain't that good.
Oney-Eye characters on the other hand, who also have auto-heal, rape early and later game easily. That's without Omachi.
As for Additional, you have the bonus of not triggering wars/events, gaining two unique skills (assassination +and Sticky), and Gekkou is simply the best ninja unit.
Finally, it's much easier to recruit the maids normally than One-Eye commanders.
Just conquer Mouri fast on any route, you only miss Motonari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492291
I thought mouri in his cursed form was stronger?

And takeda is quite hard to get...you need to get 4 strong groups capable of defending against the bullshit 2.5k tebaski unit that can one shot your defending backrow AND goes first before any of your troops....

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3492297
He has no troops, relies on Hit Points.
Also, defending the Blitz ain't that hard, just risking permanent death for the fallen units if you suck and many die.
The problem is recruiting them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492296
Dunno. Teru is pretty much my best frontline footsoldier unit. She can singlehandedly shred and kill off the Shimazu frontliners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492291
Choosing statistics over the erotic-yet-innocent charm of Chinu. Has this game taught you nothing? Shame on you, Anon. Shame on you.

[Anonymous No.]

>innocent
>Chinu
Other than these two, I agree. Think with thy cock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492313
Unless she has 2/3 of their numbers, no way.

[Anonymous No.]

Old men over cute and hot women? The fuck?

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3492332
If you can get them either way, why not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492332
Part of the fun is chasing and winning the females. It's boring if they're just yours from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492332
Old men are the future, anon. Submit, while you still have time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492330
The Shimazu come at the endgame. If your troops aren't that many by then, the hell have you done during the entire playthrough?

Fuck women?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492336
You must cherish every moment you can with Chinu. She is a strong, brave girl who manages to maintain an innocent, child-like image despite being a horny girl who loves to get fucked. She is perfect and wonderful, and it is worth spending the points just to get a little bit more time to enjoy being with her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492342
Yes.
Plus, excluding their Death Battles in True History, Shimazu brothers always scale way above you, more so on later difficulties.
Have fun trying to kill 7000 Yoshihisa troops or defending against 6000 Agireda troops in 5 star.

[Anonymous No.]

The problem is some enemy captains come with highly illegal troop sizes...e.g yamagatawa at 2.5k troops. Thats just not possible for you unless you conquer like, the whole of japan. Its not possible to obtain. The player cap is much lower for a reason. And thats because having godlike stacks with thousands of troops running around is imbalanced.

Thats not even the worse part...the AI doesnt need money at all. Look at Takeda. 10 national power. TEN. And yet they can afford to replinish...oh...thousands of troops lost each turn without running out of money. They shouldnt even have the NP needed for 40+ commanders for crying out oud.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492349
It's not like you actually need to kill them. Plus, more troops isn't all that scary after 2000.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492347
Why care if she is about to die?
Either go everlasting or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492363
It's sad what happened to her. Fucking Xavier apostles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492361
It is, if you own troops are also more than 2000, which means your modifiers get worse.
Thus you stay 2000 for better stats since yiu can never get extreme numbers, and have to win battles via battle rating that the opponent has an advantage due to numbers.
Only chinu is truly good for these situations from Mouri.

[Anonymous No.]

There are a lot of battles where you have to kill ALL troops to win via battle rating. Castle battles mainly.

Yamatagawa one shots any backrow unit you can field anyway, so if you dont kill him you are asking for trouble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492357
Yeah, that's something I hate about these kinds of games. The rules which apply to you doesn't apply to the AI. It's unfair that I can't economically overpower the enemies the least bit.

[Anonymous No.]

What sastificaiton bonuses do you guys normally get at start?

I usually start off with an amazing old man.

After that...katsuie is one of the priorities, but im not sure when i should get reinforcements(and whom).

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492384
All reinforcements. Second units from both are the best. First are the worst. Thirds are just good.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3492384
Always get all the reinforcements and fix Katsuie.
Then, fix Rance to make him the Best Bushi(requires prep, so optional) or lower troop replenishment cost.
Then, later on the game with a decent number of commanders, you can fix Maeda, or just raise affection

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492387
Leila is VERY good.
Magic has nice potential but requires some effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492384
I never get any old man, they're nice for noncombat stuff but useless otherwise.
I call reinforcements whenever possible (vast majority of people go with Leazas first, but Uruza is also high priority), usually heal Katsuie, get elite troops when Rance has 6 or more in all stats, grab -1 replenishment cost if I'm playing on hard difficulty... usually it's pretty obvious which ones are better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492391
Leila sucks unless you keep her troop sizes low.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492395
I find i always need some non-combat guys for negotiation, searches, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492397
Just LOWER than the opponents.
And with the Scaling, that's how it will almost always be. And even if not, she has good stats and modifiers and very cheap to replenish.
>>3492398
It's better to use mediocre battle units with good stats (Tacticians for Negotiation, Ninjas for searching) then useless battle units that just do that.
And you should really NOT specially need construction at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492391
Leila is nice, but she loses power way to fast if she is hit. Magic and Shizuka can deal insane amounts of damage with White Destruction, which I found very useful.
>>3492398
They are only useful during the early game, when you don't have decent commanders. But it's better to grab reinforcements in this case. By the middle game old men are waste of place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492427
If Leila takes a LOT of damage, you do something wrong.
She has good defense modifier and stat.
And when you hit with her Charge, she gets minimal counter-attack damage no matter what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492412
I never seem to end up with mediocre units that have decent non-combat stats. Or i do have good units that have decent non-combat stats but i cant spare them for non-combat uses because im too busy fighting with them.

[Anonymous No.]

Shimazu should have House Bonus.

Anyway, usually I get Mouri, One Eye and Takeda. The characters from other two house bonuses are either easy to get, or kinda useless. Gekkou and Shizuha are nice, as is that one Alice-Soft bonus monk.
After that it's the command fans and some items.

[Anonymous No.]

Its amazing how slow monks are in this game. The 9 attack bonus one is nice, but when i used him i realise dhe only attacked once a battle...

[Anonymous No.]

In one star difficulty im seeing that stat increases past 7 cost +2 NP instead of +1. Is this the difference between 1 star and normal difficulty?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492533
Enemies have bigger troop sizes. Some houses will attack 2-3 times a turn. I'm probably forgetting something else.

Also, on 3 star difficulty Nanjou Ran abuses Suzaku in many fights and instakills all your units on the battlefield (that is when you're fighting Houjou obviously).

[Anonymous No.]

Trying to fight tanegashima and oh my god yuzumi is so annoying, she can instant kill my footmen with a 100% success rate(why is she never that useful when i use her...)

[Anonymous No.]

Damnit!

How do you get the "Kentarou-kun Slash" Sat bonus to appear on the list?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3493719
You can only do it afte Kentarou turns into a demon and you have brought Miki back after she leaves.
Having chosen a few others is a good idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494204
That's odd, I did that and it's still not on my list...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494264
This is what it looks like, by the way. I think I've taken all the mandatory ones, so it should be available.

[Anonymous No.]

If not going for points:

Extra War Fan
Battle Permits
Mori House (drop Chinu)
One Eye House (drop Masamune)
Takeda House
Extra Characters
Pop. Wand
+100 sword
+50 teeth
+20% weapons
all level 2 textbooks
3x +3 NP

maybe some other stuff

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a better way to get Takeda generals other than wasting 200+ turns in Kill the Monkey?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494312

Wasting 200+ turns in Ran route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494312
No, but you only have to do it once. After that, you deploy them together in battle to unlock the house bonus.
You stand a much better chance of recruiting them if you defeat Takeda early. Every time you defeat a house, all their units become available for hire by other houses, so if you defeat Takeda late or defeat them early but then proceed to destroy every house, the recruitment pool will be *huge* and it'll take a long time before they get recruited.
>>3494287
The wiki confirms that it should be available after Kentarou has become a Majin and Miki is not missing. So I have no idea why it's not on the list.

[Anonymous No.]

Could a level 99 Rance solo Xavier?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494370

Assume no gay 49% dmg attack spam.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494370
I don't think he'd have enough Actions. The monkey reduces action points with every hit, too.
Not to mention the ability that does near 50% damage...
Pretty sure he couldn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494370
Assuming no monkey ,bodyguard and percentage attack:
No.
Kentarou is barely able at lv 99 and 5 action points and he does more damage than Rance at the same level.
Rance should do 3/4th of his total HP.
Kentarou can 'easily' do it if you saved his Youmeishou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494437
Have you ever cleared Kentarou?
I can't seem to be able to do it. His Slash ability won't show up on my list either.
There's a relatively strong possibility those issues might be related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494437
>>3494514
Oh, you did give me a hint, though. I haven't used his Youmeishu when I was "supposed" to. Maybe the game uses the Youmeishu boolean variable to "check" if you've gone through the proper events? You can never know with these crazy programmers.
I'll try wasting it to see if anything gets unlocked. It's harder than it sounds though, since he can't get hurt and the item isn't usable if your HP is maxed. I'll have to make him gain a level and then do a dungeon on the same turn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494334
How the fuck do you defeat takeda early when they have minimum 2.5k tebaski units for baba shouen/yamagatawa? You need more than 1k troops to fight that, and that means you need to conquer quite a few provinces first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494562
Damn... still no luck. That wasn't it. No idea how to clear that little bastard, or get his Kentarou-kun Slash.
>>3494573
Except for some rare exceptions, enemy troops scale, and the more you wait the more troops they have (and they gain troops faster than you do). I don't think I ever paid attention to their troop count, but unless the Takeda generals happen to be one of the few exceptions, they should have a relatively low troop count if you fight them early.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3494573
2 Star Monkey Route, with Uesugi, Takuga, Ashikaga, Hara, Tokugawa, Imagawa, Tanegashima and Tenshi conquered.
Aka, 6 nations that can recruit people after I deal with Takeda.
Stalled till Turn 65 to gather items and raise affection for necessary skills/stats raising, as to not rely on numbers and scale Takeda badly.
Not THAT hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494607
Actually, in order to clear him (which is possibly the trigger for his slash), you must raise him to 7 before he becomes a demon (then plus 1), and then keep talking to him RIGHT after his duel.
IIRC, you cannot clear him if Miki leaves(even if you bring her back).
Tricky timeframe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494614
But Miki leaves in the same event as the duel, doesn't she?
That's... beyond tricky.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494644
Oops.
Before she turns SILL to Ice.
I meant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494656
Okay, I'll try that!
Luckily character clears are saved whenever you save game and not only when you clear the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494656
You win another internet, anon. Talked to him once right after the duel, cleared him instantly.
I'm gonna go fix the wiki.

[Anonymous No.]

When playing casually, as in not for points, I like to take all the item bonuses, misc bonuses and a couple of of special characters.

I don't like taking house bonuses since they rob me of SAT. Im always shooting for early extra fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3492047
> Old. I already read this on the far superior http://www.anertalk.com/ (aner = anon) last night.
Same, OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494706
House bonuses prevent some Sat bonuses?
Aside from potentially Daidouji Komatsu, I had never noticed. Which ones prevent Sat gains?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494770

Mori for Kikkawa solo scenes and 4-way.

The rest depend on the route.

[Anonymous No.]

which is a good route to get points on? im still playing in true route but i wanna get more points in the next one

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494770
Im mainly talking about the SAT you get from conquering their respective house, and the space some commanders that don't give SAT use up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494786

In that case, only Houjou and Uesegi house bonuses cause that for at least 6 SAT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494798
you can also get SAT for conquering the Mori house

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494776
Ah yes... I thought they'd pretend that you have defeated Motonari (same as they pretend Souun ran away if you take Houjou bonus), but if they don't, that's a lost opportunity for Sat bonuses. Luckily I never buy that bonus.
You don't get scenes with the two Uesugi girls or the three Diviner girls when you conquer those places after buying the respective bonuses, either?
Man, I'm not an observant person.

[Anonymous No.]

The mori maids is the best bonus of any Rance game, ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494851
I'd rather go through the pleasure of CONQUERING them then having them handed to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494857
Lies, maids are best when they're yours from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.]

FINALLY

Fucking Takeda bonus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494868
Bullshit, foursome must be earned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494886
I only use the old grumpy men for 1 single thing: to get an fast an efficient point rush.
After that I never pick them again. Maids and Omachi is superior.

[Anonymous No.]

anyone else feel any pity when Nihonmaru got demoted from retainer of JAPAN to thrown projectile.

[Anonymous No.]

So how do I get Shizuka? I have Gekkou (so know I chose the option), I have Maria and have almost cleared her, but she won't mention her at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494984
she falls out of the sky

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494915

Other than a foot soldier that you can recruit easily later, Mori house isn't that great, as ninjas are almost as common as warriors and Chinu dies in nearly every route.

Takeda gives you 3 units with great combat and non-combat stats that can abuse battle ratings and a very powerful ninja, with all 4 of them having a passive that compliments their combat stats.

The only house that I'd say would be better than Takeda is One-Eye just for the self-heal and Omachi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494933
I have 199 Ogre Bones. I have no feelings anymore.
>>3494988
This is technically correct. More precisely she falls out of the sky sometime after you've recruited Maria. Maria is required for the event to happen and it may be delayed quite a bit if there's lots of storyline bits happening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494997
Thanks, anon. Too damn much storyline going on in Kenshin route for me atm, so I'm gonna assume that's the problem. Also running low on recruitment slots, so I may end up giving her the miss this time.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there another way to recruit Inukai other than to duel him with Rance? I've heard that Gekko can do something to Inukai but not sure if that recruits him or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495166
If you use the Gekko option, you simply take over Iga instantly. Inukai doesn't join.
The duel isn't so bad. You just need to have gained some levels (49 I believe is the minimum if you don't have a Passive that's about dungeon fights) and 4 actions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495280

Drats. I want to recruit Inukai so I can complete the 6 Great Treasures but not so late in the game that he dies before I get Rance leveled enough. Guess I'll just do a Ran route then.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone ever conquering Iga w/o suzume to get the 5 SAT and to let them revolt later so you can recruit Inukai, does that work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495280

dungeon fight doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of Gekko, when is the last event/turn that you can recruit him by? I want to say that it's by turn 9 but I could be mistaken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495375
when the first gourd breaks, I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495362
I conquered Iga without using Suzume a total of 3 times now. It never reemerged. I don't know why... maybe you need to not be at war, or something like that.
It's one of the last 4 things I still need to do to complete the Progress Report.
>>3495364
Not sure what you mean by "dungeon fight doesn't work". Maybe I confused you since I didn't express myself clearly... I meant any Passive that works in a dungeon-style battle, such as the "luck" abilities like Attack Luck.
>>3495375
I've often seen people saying 7-9 turns, but I once recruited him on turn 12. I'm pretty sure you need to recruit him before the first gourd breaks (since Nobunaga is required for the event), but I don't know what other event it is that makes him available in the first place. Make sure you have enough NP, it's really tight at the beginning of the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495418

Crap, can't conquer enough territories before it breaks.

Unrelated, what is considered the part where Ranmaru admits her feelings for Shibata? After the battle with Ranmaru and Shibata when you've done her intro speech, or when she's undressing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495516
Inukai brings his dogs, which you need to oneshot, then kill him.
Lv 49 is the least you can do it with 4 actions.
Attack luck may let you do it in a couple levels less, but for Rance, it's a moot point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495533
After the battle you deploy them together.
Also, if you conquer Hara ASAP, you should really have no issues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495533
Going for Iehisa's clear?
The wiki is fairly unspecific about that, but I believe her feelings for Katsuie are clear long before the undressing scene. It might even be as soon as the first time you send them into battle together, when Rance says he smells love.
If you want to be safe you can always save game, use 7 points' worth of Affection items, talk to him, use another 7 points' worth and talk to him again to see if you get the clear event.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495540

My problem is that I'm sitting at 38/35 Cost/NP and can't conquer the last territory of Takeda to boost it high enough to recruit Gekko. Debating now whether or not to pursue Shibata's character clear or the Shimazu brother's character clears. If I don't, I can fire Ranmaru and Shibata to make room for Gekko. If I go for one of them, I'd probably pick the brothers and need to go back a few turns to prep for firing Shibata. Or I could just restart and change some of the bonuses I picked so I'd have 38/38 Cost/NP by this point and could do a few constructions to recruit Gekko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495555
38 is a lot! Unless that's really all from basic character costs, you could probably fire some guys in units that are just over their NP increases (like, if there's a unit with 538 dudes, just fire 40 of them to gain 1 NP).
It's hard to go as far as dismissing a commander (aside from Nagahide, I always dismiss him), so I think firing some troops instead might be worth it.
You could even use your Construction skill to raise NP, assuming it'd give you enough and take less time than conquering Takeda.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495555

Guess I'll go the simpler route and fire One-Eye, which lets me character clear the girls and make a little more room for Ran and the Shimazu brothers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495592

Tried, takes the same amount of time and gourd still breaks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495600
Every single one of your units has under 500 troops?
If that's the case, then... I guess you have to dismiss someone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495610

Omachi was the only one (pop. wand) and I'm not about to fire 150 troops from her to get 1 NP back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495644
Ouch... I can understand that, 150 troops is pretty significant this early in the game, especially on Omachi.

[Anonymous No.]

Any tips on getting Ran to show herself in battle?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495912
be patient

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495920

Well, I just finished conquering Takeda and I don't want the 5th gourd to break yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3495002
Make sure you have the game patched with v1.04.
Shizuka, Gekko, and Shinobu were added in later patch, they weren't in the game originally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494933
Please tell me I get to raep that.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!mGXYMm0qKk/ No.]

>>3496694
Nope! Rance's hyper weapon just isn't strong enough yet.

Just as planned

[Anonymous No.]

>>3496742
But I wanted to raep her... What should I do? ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>3496777
Take it easy.

[Anonymous No.]

How can you get the event for Agireda where she requests to make her unit the largest in your army? I'm in my first game now and all Shimazu brothers already died and I got her H scene and as the wiki says raised her affinity to 7 trust but no further events for her appear.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Some units like takeda generals start at a minimum size.

I tried to take on takuga early on with 500-900 sized units...all of their uniques, showed up with more than 2.5k unit sizes. Ryouma always showed up with at least 3.8k ninjas for examples.

I bet if you lower all unit sizes to below 500 takeda generals will still start with 2.5k tebaski cavalry units.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3494609
How did you get 165 sastifcation from conquering only 6 countries?

[Anonymous No.]

How the heck do you get "Abe's/Asahina's death", "Houjou Conquered (Souun)" and the "Bikini Watch" events to appear?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497101
Abe Heizou is a akashi commander and the event where he dies appears to be random(note that after he dies he can still appear on the battlefield). It seems to be a random event that occurs when you are at war with akashi.

Bikini watch requries kentarou IIRC.

I dont know who is asahina...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497101
>"Abe's/Asahina's death"
They are both Akashi Commanders, so just destroy thier units

[Anonymous No.]

Oh asahina may be another akashi commander. Ive seen two akashi commander death events, they are beginning of the turn events.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497139
Ive had it occur without meeting them in battle at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497139
I've destroyed them dozens of times. But no event appears after that.

[Anonymous No.]

So I stalled out the 25 turns needed to unlock the popularity staff, saved, and exitted, but I don't see it in my available 2nd game item bonuses. Did I do something wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497211
Did you save the game, auto-save or complete a playthrough with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497219
Auto save as well as regular save (Twice even. Once before and after clearing the dungeon, as the hanny gave me the staff as a beginning of the turn event, which surprised me, as it was contrary to Wiki specifications.)

I didn't want to go through and try to beat the whole playthrough after giving other countries a headstart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497233
I got it with no problems...the names are cut off but you should see "popular" at least in one of the item bonuses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497242
Still not there.

I wonder if the difficulty selected (5 star) mattered. I guess I'll try another stall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497276
Difficulty has nothing to do with it.
Are you SURE it's not available at start-up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497282
Item Bonus windows screenshots at
ttp://img14.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=ranceitembonus1.png

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497305
Yes, so you now need to wait for one more turn so that it autosaves.

[Anonymous No.]

God everything is so much more difficult at one star.

The final iga battle with 6 ninjas that cant be assassinated(at least, suzume keeps failing..., no matter how many times i reload) is raping me.

My backrow units all die incredibly fast, and its amazing how much defense the Iga ninjas have...Shunsaka and Egao Ninja tanks damage like its nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497307
It's more of the fact that you do not have units with Strong stats( 7+).
Only Inukai is bloody dangerous in Iga, since he has good unit scaling, great stats, and an annoying all out attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497306
Oh, waiting another turn... Thanks. I feel pretty dumb now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497307
Asassinate rolls are determined at the beginning of an action fan. No matter how many times you reload a battle, if it's on the same fan, it'll always have to same outcome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497329
Unlike Yamamoto's whirlwind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497307

Why are you trying to conquer Iga on a second run through? Just do the duel with him to get him and eventually one of the six great treasures.

[Anonymous No.]

I asked this last night but I'll ask again:

When is the earliest you can capture Nanjou Ran? Is it right after she discovers she can summon Suzuka or after Souun warns her to stop summoning Suzuka?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497557
When Shoun tells her about Suzaku and stops summoning him.
It's almost a guarantee you will capture her if you defeat her after that event.

[Anonymous No.]

After he tells her she's summoning him it from inside her own body.
Chances of capturing her are extremely high. It's actually hard *not* to capture her. And I've never ever seen her be captured before that scene.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3497576
Funny tidbit:
If you capture her in the same battle that conquers Houjo, you see a slightly different scene.
However, that makes you unable to recruit her, ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497565
>>3497576

Thanks. Guess I'll just wait another turn then. Kind of annoying as I can regularly defeat her unit and allies with Gekko + Takeda + Rance without losing anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497580

What happens? I've seen the one where she and Souun die together.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3497590
Small Fight scene between Shoun and Rance, Shoun dies in regret.
You cannot recruit Ran even, in the prison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497580
Yet another different scene, eh? There's a lot of 'em.
I still have one of the Houjou conquering scenes on my list, I think it's the one where Rance and Souun have a sword duel. Tricky timing there, because if Ran is still there you get the scene where Gigai kills both of them, and if Ran is captured he'll leave after the very next battle.
In the original they also planned to have Daidouji Komatsu murder Ran after a while.
That helps a lot with replayability... so many things can happen!

[Anonymous No.]

Some much hardships for a nation that is hardly worth of the trouble, only one of takeda's generals or kenshin are more valuable than Komatsu and Ran/souun/old bitch together. And it takes much less to conquer them

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497621
...Try again and make sense this time.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok, got Ran. Now do I just release her from prison or is there a special event I need to wait for before doing so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497656
Conquer Hojo fast(cannot recruit her before that).
Then, talk to her a couple of times to open up the Dungeon SHou's at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497621

Um, 3 of Takeda's generals have skills that are essential to win at 5 star rating, with the last one being one of the most powerful ninjas that you can get for most of the game (Gekko and Orime are probably the only other contenders for the title of best). How is Takeda a terrible house bonus?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497664
Kikkawa Kiku is better than orime actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497596
>planned to have Daidouji Komatsu murder Ran
Awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497678
Check the alice mansion scenes, they are cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497670

Because of Assassinate 2 that she starts off with? If so, not so hard to get Orime that as well since you don't have to worry about her stats as much as Kiku. I guess you could argue that Kiku is better than Orime for dungeon fights since she can fight in the back row but Orime's self-heal more than makes up for her front row restriction and fewer moves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497691
More actions, better dungeon utility, and Assassinate2>Autoheal 1 and front row.
Ninjas are not that durable for autoheal to make a difference, of for it to cover her losses when she attacks since she does not connect(while it's useful for Noir, for example)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497691
That, and Orime has a higher level cap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497698
Not really strong in dungeons to capitalize on it.

[Anonymous No.]

I think we all know who the best ninja is

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497723
>2 Action

[Anonymous No.]

Ninjas are shit for anything other than assassinate and weakening guard. Their damage for cost ratio is horrible.

Also im doing a one star point run(or trying to) so i thought that taking over Iga the normal way would be faster than fighting all the way to africa and getting shimazu to re-capture a province.

[Anonymous No.]

Gekkou's high stats and Assassinate+ ability have always worked best for me.
Plus, Shinobu!

[Anonymous No.]

I think we all know who the best konoichi is

[Anonymous No.]

Cant seem to get rance's +1 action point command to show up....

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497771
I think you need to get Rance Attack or that elite troops bonus first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497771
You need the elite soldiers first

[Anonymous No.]

I dont think its possible to beat Inukai at level 49....

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497805
Maybe you need to Rance Attack him

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497809
Its more of a problem of rance dying before he can attack inukai at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497805
In theory, strong attack auto kills Imukai at 49 while each dog takes one hit to die.
Aka, 4 actions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497745
Koshikage with Fuurinkazan and Poison dagger does wonders along with high stats, plus a fast bastard.

[Anonymous No.]

I thought ryouma was a futa? Why is there no bulge?

[Anonymous No.]

OK, so, I need some help.
I know how to get the Houjou scene I'm missing.
I know how to unlock/finish Road to Hades.
I *don't* know how to make Iga reemerge (not using Suzume to conquer is not enough, there's another requirement).
I *don't* know why the gate closing event isn't always accessible (not conquering the territory above them is not enough, there's another requirement).

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497844
What do you think the belt is for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497850
Inukai re-taking over Iga appears to be random.

>>3497851
To keep the skirt in place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497850
You should be able to close the gate the moment you conquer the first Takuga territory and before(to be on the safe side, do so before attacking their other territory).
As for Iga, conquer them early on.
After you declare war a few times with others, they should reclaim the territory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497857
To hold the constantly erect dick vertical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497865
Cant be constantly erect, and if it was erect there would be a very visible bulge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497770

Someone who isn't a kunoichi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497880
Just a shitty ninja

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497861
Yeah, the gate thing didn't appear after I took their first territory, even before I took more subterritories. But I guess I can try again and get it "by accident" eventually.
I never fight Iga early on, so it's worth trying that too! I'll own them quickly and hope they reemerge.
Maybe Kenshin route... or monkey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497874
It's not thick, and she has no balls.

[Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄ƷAnonymous2007Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ !7AnImelIIg No.]

>>3497886
Like naruto, amirite?

[Anonymous No.]

For how long can I search for Inukai's hideout? I was collecting some satisfaction to increase Rance's actions but when I finally managed the get the 4th one, the event disappeared from their territory

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't it stupid to close the gate? Xavier is just going to conquer them and then you can't get that country back...

[Anonymous No.]

A lot of events in the game become unavailable after a little while, and it's usually hard to tell what caused them to disappear. Often it's highly arbitrary.
My guess is, you gained troops/characters and your NP became insufficient to accommodate Inukai. Events that result in the recruitment of a character usually aren't available if you don't have enough NP to support them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497904
Heh. It's a small enough loss (one territory, a handful of ordinary commanders).
Point is, look at my progress report. I can't complete it unless I close that gate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3497770

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498174
Oh, Kanami. Why are you so bad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498301
but.... but.... she used to be the last boss!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498452
I'm afraid I just won't be able to picture that until I've seen it.
"Kanami" and "Last Boss" are thoughts that do not work together!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498485
She didn't even have a name back then, btw.
She was random female ninja A, final opponent in Rance I

Our little Kanami has come a long way ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498544
What was the story of the very first Rance game anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

If you dismiss One-Eye before you reach the youkai territories, are you unable to character clear Omachi, Noir, Nogiku and Orime?

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3498544

Whoa.

She's worked her way up from nameless boss over the course of 7 games... while Suzume, "the greatest ninja", doesn't have much of a backround story even in her own game?
Guess not even the greatest can be the best at everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498550
Guild job to find Princess Hikari.
Prince's Lia's hobby is to torture young girls, so Kanami kidnaps them, and Maris the head maid oversees. Rance rapes all of them. Kanami was the last fight, hence 'boss'. At lv10. Enter Lia becoming obssessed with Rance

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498550

There is no story. It's just a random collection of non-sequiters that alice-soft finds hilarious strewn together with terribly drawn sex scenes and awkward euphemisms. You know, the same exact thing for every Rance game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498559
>Rance rapes all of them.

Why am I not surprised?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498558 while Suzume, "the greatest ninja"

No, she's the greatest kunoichi, though she is a pretty damn good ninja (level. 2 I believe, which still beats out Kanami).

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498558

Are you really surprised at undeveloped characters? Rance, the main character himself, hasn't progressed since the first game. Most of the fluff that gets posted is exactly that, side-stories produced outside the games to make the series seem like there was actual thought put into the development.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498580

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498580
I think you kinda missed the point.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3498580

>Rance, the main character himself, hasn't progressed since the first game.

Neither did Odysseus. Undeveloped character doesn't equal an uninteresting character.
But then again, the Odyssey reads kind of like a fantasy themed H-game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498589
[x] RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPp

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498618
Odysseus learns modesty.

Also, if it were me, I would've stayed on Circe's island.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498641
I probably would have too. Wife staying true for x amount of years while her husband is possibly dead? Not very likely I assume.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498641
He has leartb it already when Odyssey starts, so there is no development within the story.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3498641
You mean Calypso.
Circe transforms men to pigs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498589
WHAT MUST I DO TO GET TO RAEP HER???

[BB !yNnLbkgA46 No.]

The troll obviously has never played any Rance games.
Rance's personality has changed quite a bit over the years.
He's no where near as bad as he used to.

For the better or worse, he's been mellowing out ever since 5D.
Some people call it getting mature, some calling it losing edge.

He was borderline nuts in 4.1/4.2
He built a sand castle in the playinground, and killed a group of little children who destroyed the sand castle, out of annoyance.

Most likely one of the biggest things to make him mellow out was the guilt over Ferris' situation, and realization of his son, etc.
Rance 6 -> Sengoku was the biggest change so far.
(not counting Kichikuoh Rance, where he became a bit more mature as a ruler)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498685
So can I get a bit more detail about his reaction to Ferris' situation and finding out he has a son?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498685
>He built a sand castle in the playinground, and killed a group of little children who destroyed the sand castle, out of annoyance.

Okay, this game is seriously not for moralfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498685

The fanboy obviously plays Rance way too much. Rance's personality hasn't "changed quite a bit", they only toned down the lolrandumb violence to make Rance more of a good guy. He's still the same old clown used for failed humor and sex cgs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498733
Even if you are a moralfag in your life, you need to know what to expect from your entertainment.
I am one, but I enjoyed shit like Postal.
You vent out and carry on with your life as you should.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498735
Does it matter what exactly they do?
the result is a change on the character outlook.
You over analyze shit and forget the point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498748
Considering there really isn't much in Rance to analyze, I think you're both doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498779
please stop acting like you're not >>3498735 and gtfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498741
By moralfag I mean peoples who feel the urge to comment on everything what they think is bad for whatever or whoever in the... society or how they call it. You are definitely not one, knowing what the morals are and attention whoring about your "higher goods" is two different thing.

Now, back to Rance before I unintentionally derail the thread on the path of trolling

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498748
>>You over analyze shit and forget the point.

By not seeing Rance as one of the best games with a well-developed story, world, and characters of all time like most Rancefags do? That I don't read through all the extra books and memorize every event that happens in Rance to try and connect the series together? Yeah, I overanalyze Rance way too much. I wish I could quit you, Rance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498800
>>implying that Rance is full of things to analyze.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498813
Why the hell do you pester all rance threads, without a fail, every day?
You say this same old shit, every fucking day.

There's only one rance thread at any given time in /jp/. and 30 touhou threads.
Can't you leave us the fuck alone, and go pester other much more popular threads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498813
I have not seen a single poster saying anything to that effect.
One of the better eroge games , at most.
And the obvious details discussed here are from playing the games. Rest, just interesting background.

Hyperboling to justify your popping up to exclaim 'it's shit just because' does not help much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498826
Of course it is.
Whether they are important intellectual matters or just which creature should have been raped, is a different story

[Anonymous No.]

Question pertaining to Ran route: Do you get a different scene if you somehow manage to defeat Xavier in his timed battle?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498848
...Dunno.
Here's something to try out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498827
Why dont you just ignore him, they lose power if you dont pay any attention.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3498843

Somewhere out there, someone is bound to have written a doctorate thesis concerning the be-or-not-to-be of Rance getting it on with Omachi.
And in doing so brought eternal dishonour to their university.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498869
Definitely not in Canon storyline that will be used.
So, further in the setting, Bontenmaru is alive and Rance did not get some tails.

[BB !yNnLbkgA46 No.]

>>3498715
He just feels a bit guilty for what he did to her in 5D, and decided to try and convince girls to have consensual sex with him instead of always going for the shortcut (read: rape)

That mindset came into effect between VI and Sengoku

He's fundamentally still the same goof, just mellowing out a bit and giving a tiny nano-sized spec of thought before doing something brash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498894
And Kill a motherfucking Guardian Beast to keep the girls and earn a priestess' love, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498735
>they only toned down the lolrandumb violence to make Rance more of a good guy

that sounds like "changed quite a bit" to me, sir.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3498876

Considering how kitsune tend to be shapeshifters and all, anything Rance's single-file mind could think of doing with her could just as easily come right back at him. With disastrous and permanent consequences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498869
>>Somewhere out there, someone...

Let's not beat around the bush, we all know who wrote that thesis. Our university still hasn't recovered its reputation. We're thinking of just bailing out and letting it turn into a party school.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3498934

You got to be kidding?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498827
>>There's only one rance thread at any given time in /jp/.

Rance was spammed more than KS and infected other threads during the 0.50 patch. Even hardcore Rance fans were disgusted with how the newfags were hyping the game far beyond what it was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498918
She's apparently a rock.
At least you can sorta fuck her in the game. I mean, there's no CG for it, not even a note in the Ero Diary, but you *can*.
That's the beauty of multiple storylines and possible events. Even if it's not canon, you can make it happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498947
Shame that KS was spammed the rest of the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498947
so you're butthurt all this time, and waste your time trolling rance threads all day now?
cool sto... no wait, it's not cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498947
...No, not really.
The only actual hate outside of a couple whiners 'NO STRATEGY THREADS BAWWWW' because a threads were not condensed(not spammed), was way back with that silly tripfag.

The game was always hyped with good gameplay mostly. People did not comment on story or characters till much later on and just went 'RAPE',
You browsed a weird /jp/, somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498954

I don't think having the main character fuck a rock exemplifies multiple storylines.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498947
I don't know, it's a pretty fucking epic game.
They almost never make good video games these days, and it's horribly hard to find a game you can be passionate about. And yet I've spent around 300 hours playing it and I'm not tired of it, in fact I'm psyched about playing Kichikuou and learning more about the Rance world in general.
It's amazing stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498966
It exemplifies variety of possible actions in a non-sandbox environment.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3498974

Rance isn't Anon. He has some standards as to what he'd hit, as improbable as it sounds.
Besides, Rance ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and you need quite a bit of imagination of think up a way to fuck a rock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498989
それは冗談で言っているのか.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498947
fucking KS devs

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498964

Then you've missed the constant threads started by people asking the same questions that's already been answered dozens of times in past threads, such as "How I kill monkey" or "Why does Kentarou not have enough moves to win?" Then there's any thread BB starts which brings discussions on the intricately woven world that is Rance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3499013
Again, these were questions by new people who forgot to condense or know about the wiki. It did not even last long. People still post them time to time, in threads like these instead of making their own, they have learned to check.
Not senseless spam 'Hey, Will annoy /jp/ by asking how to uncurse Mouri'. Learn the difference.
And BB almost always posts in relevant threads, for people who are interested.

You just whinging for the sake of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498989
>He has some standards as to what he'd hit

"It's gotta look good, have a vagina and no penis, is not incestuous to me, and I won't die from fucking it"

[Anonymous No.]

>>3499040
He's still totally unmoved by lolis! Unless he's drugged/drunk, or in that mini loli route.
It's gotta look like an attractive adult female, which is a fairly standard requirement for any guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3499040
He doesn't seem to go for the lolis either. "Come see me in three years."

[Anonymous No.]

>>3498989
Anonymous would rock that rock senseless.

[Anonymous No.]

Apparently rance world is poorly developed and shit, compared to say, standard fantasy setting #51160 like D&D.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3499571
It's got countries, a skill level system, races, gods and all that. I think it isn't taken seriously because the monsters are all "joke" creatures. Haniwa, Pigbanbara, Yankees...
The major selling point is the vast amount of characters. Have you seen the Ranceverse chart? It's freaking huge.

[Anonymous No.]

Buh.

I believe we be auto-sagin'.

[Anonymous No.]

we get HCGs for all the yokai chicks but not omachi, why must they toy with us anonymous?!?!

well hopefully they'll rectify this in a future Rance game.