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3477446 No.3477446 [Reply] [Original]

I need someone to make an accurate map of Gensokyo, I need to know how everything goes together. Can I get some assistance?

>> No.3477452

Also while were at it lets make a blueprint of the Scarlet Devil Mansion.

>> No.3477464

hmm

I have the feeling that a map of Gensoukyou will only stay current for a few days at the most

>> No.3477472

>>3477464
Gensokyo does not work that way.

>> No.3477473

>>3477464

It just needs the main locations, like Misty Lake, Youkai Mountain, The Shine, The Human Village, The Bamboo Forest, all that important stuff.

>> No.3477483

>>3477473
The best way to get this information is guess and make shit up. If you're wrong someone will correct you.

>> No.3477489

>>3477483
They have place where you can get information.

>> No.3477492

yea, someone could easily start a sketch having Hakurei Shrine in the middle?

>> No.3477500

>>3477489
It's more fun to enrage nerds.

>> No.3477501

>>3477492
Shouldn't Youkai Mountain be in the middle?

>> No.3477505

>>3477500
True

>> No.3477514

>>3477492
Shouldn't the hakurei shrine be on the edge since it's the border? I don't know.

check touhou wiki. Maybe the moon wiki.

>> No.3477521

>>3477514
Hakurei shrine is near the border, to the west. Mayoiga, Yukari's lair, is also near the border to the south.

>> No.3477522

>>3477492
It's on the eastern edge.

>> No.3477538
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3477538

>>3477522
Found a map. Might help some folks.

>> No.3477542

Geez, OP, we're not going to write your fanfiction for you.

Make Gensokyo however you desire. Or do some research, and find out what settlements in Gensokyo's period of Japan looked like. Then shape it accordingly.

It's not that hard. Google it.

>> No.3477543

>>3477538
Wait, according to this map, Reimu wandered aimlessly instead of heading directly to the SDM.

>> No.3477586

>>3477543
You expect Reimu to head straight for a destination without beating up random youkai?

>> No.3477595

>>3477542
One can not just make up how Gensokyo is made, that fucks up everything Zun has worked for.

Oh wait never mind.

>> No.3477596

>>3477521

Mayohiga is a special case, though, since unlike most places it has trouble sitting in one place for long. It tends to stick around the border, but it can't be trusted to be in the same direction every time.

Not entirely sure if there's a canon depiction of the Mayohiga either. Seen it drawn as anything from a cottage up to a mansion on par with the Eientei, though the popular image seems to be some sort of Tokugawa era villa.

>> No.3477598

>>3477586
Let's not forget that there was a lot of THICK RED FUCKING MIST ALL OVER GENSOKYO.

>> No.3477603

>>3477538
Can someone translate this?

>> No.3477607
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3477607

There's this, but honestly it carries as much weight as anything you make up. There's no such thing as an "accurate map" for Gensokyo, I doubt ZUN himself planned it out.

>> No.3477621

>>3477538

That looks good but wheres the river?

Also Misty Lake is way too big.

>> No.3477624
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3477624

Here you go. I found this somewhere, I don't really know where.

>> No.3477628

>>3477607

I doubt it's important, really.

The -good- artists and writers have the creativity, and/or have done research enough to render a wholesome, believable Gensokyo.

The bad ones have not. This rule can be used to decide whether or not certain fanworks are worth viewing.

>> No.3477632

>>3477538
The scale is indicating that Gensokyo is over a hundred kilometers, it shouldn't be that big.

>> No.3477636
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>>3477621
It's Cirno's lake; of course it's the largest.

>> No.3477638

>>3477632


I'm still marveling over the Misty Inland Sea.

Maybe the citizens of Gensokyo can have mock naval battles like the Romans.

>> No.3477652

>>3477638
Didn't the Romans do that in a shitty little colliseum? You don't need a sea.

>> No.3477655

>>3477636
It should only take an hour to walk around the entire lake, you can't walk 100+ kilometers in an hour.

>> No.3477657
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3477657

THIS...
... IS NOT GENSOKYO.

>> No.3477664

>>3477538
It looks cool but its way off scale.

>> No.3477667

>>3477657
That's the most accurate thing I've seen all day.

>> No.3477672 [DELETED] 

>>3477652

>shitty little coliseum

You must be talking about some other Rome. The Coliseum was fucking gigantic. But you have a point - it was still FAR smaller than the Misty Sea. This thing's almost as huge as the Caspian.

Actually, I think you could easily do full blown naval exercises in this thing.

>> No.3477674

>>3477667
>>3477657

This is the REAL Gensokyo.

TAKE IT EASY

>> No.3477681

>>3477652

>shitty little coliseum

You must be talking about some other Rome. The Colosseum was fucking gigantic. But you have a point - it was still FAR smaller than the Misty Sea. This thing's almost as huge as the Caspian.

Actually, I think you could easily do full blown naval exercises in this thing.

>> No.3477700
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>>3477681
Too bad there's only one ship in Gensokyo, and it's a flying one...

>> No.3477708
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>>3477700
I want to fuck Murasa!

>> No.3477712

>>3477700

Gensokyo has large, expansive woodlands. It would be an easy task to fell them, saw them into planks, and build even more ships. The problem is that I can't see what else use they would be, as Gensokyo can't be threatened with an ordinary sea-going navy.

Also, I don't think there are many shipyards, or shipwrights to design and oversee the building of these vessels.

>> No.3477719

>>3477472

with all those youkai running about blowing things sky high, I don't think the landscape will stay the same for long

>> No.3477720
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3477720

>>3477657

Would be a bit cramped trying to fit Former Hell in a tiny disc, though...

Come to think of it, it would be rather impractical trying to fit any major subterranean structure under the nightmare of geologic instability that is Japan. Gensokyo probably has its occasional quakes and landslides.

Is there anything that says Former Hell is actually located underneath Gensokyo, or does Parsee's bridge lead into some sort of financially troubled afterlife?

>> No.3477726

Alright, now lets make a blueprint of Scarlet Devil Mansion.

>> No.3477728

>>3477726
>>3477726

Learn to Architecture. Take a college class on it. You'll thank me later.

>> No.3477730
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3477730

>>3477726
brb, basement

>> No.3477731

>>3477712
Clear-cutting of forests? Reimu and friends need to combine their powers and summon Captain Planet.

>> No.3477732

>>3477712

Japan had no seagoing ships for most of the Edo period, so unless a shipwright is among the modern day people assimilated into Gensokyo, probably not.

>> No.3477733

>>3477731

Slash-and-burn for the win.

>> No.3477740

>>3477732

see

>>3477712

> Also, I don't think there are many shipyards, or shipwrights to design and oversee the building of these vessels.

I figured as much, which is why I did not think the idea would take off.

>> No.3477745
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>>3477740

Exactly. Meant to elaborate, not disapprove.

Also, wild youkai architecture.

>> No.3477746

You can't make a blueprint of SDM, as Sakuya is able to manipulate time and, therefore, space.

>> No.3477747

I still say Gensokyo is pretty large. Or at least large enough to easily house a large youkai population (mountains, forests, lakes and rivers) and a bustling human town without feuds for land.

>> No.3477754

>>3477746

What about a vector model?

>> No.3477759

>>3477746

It would still have rooms in a set location, even if she could change the size we could just do it to where it looks right.

>> No.3477765

>>3477759
Depends on whether or not she can curve space (I don't think so myself).

Voile is probably completely unmappable, being a library of magical books.

>> No.3477770

>>3477765
Then we'll make it up.

>> No.3477776 [DELETED] 

>>3477759

Yes, but it would allow for continuous updates, and through layering you could display locations that defy common sense, like rooms that share the same space.

But then again, constructing a model that updates changes in real time would be tricky considering there is no Sakuya to carry out the changes to begin with.

>> No.3477781

>>3477765
It's possible to navigate L-space reliably so it must be possible to map it.

>> No.3477787

>>3477776
Then make one that doesn't update.

SDM: as of 2009

>> No.3477788
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>> No.3477790 [DELETED] 

>>3477788

oh fuc-

>> No.3477802

>>3477787

Sorry, wiped that after realising I replied to the wrong post.

The easier way would be just drawing up the SDM as it looked originally and post it with reservations for varying results.

>> No.3477833

>>3477802
Then why don't we do that?

>> No.3477838

>>3477802

How did it look originally?

>> No.3477839

>>3477833

Is the clock tower at the end of the wing, or at the bend?

>> No.3477851

>>3477838

Nobody knows.
Supposedly the outside still looks the same, so maybe someone with in depth knowledge of Tudor architecture could piece together the inside from common elements.

Not that I'm sure whether the SDM is Tudor, mind you.

>> No.3477856

>>3477781
>L-space
Haha, I love that concept.

>> No.3477863
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3477863

>>3477839

Not sure if the picture is has any accuracy but yeah.

>> No.3477870

>>3477781
Come to think of it, you are right.

... is it possible to go to Voile from Discworld?

>> No.3477877

>>3477870
Of course. The other way, too.

I doubt Patchy knows how, though.

>> No.3477904

>>3477877
What are you guys talking about?

>> No.3477907

>>3477904
http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/L-space

>> No.3477913

>>3477877

It's a dark night and Patchouli Knowledge is reading by candlelight at her favorite comfy chair. It had been pretty uneventful this evening. No Marisa barging in to "borrow" books, nobody bothering her with mundane idiocy. A little lonely, to be sure, but nice. You get used to being alone in a huge library, reading cheesy horror novels in the dead of the night after so many centuries.

Something was off, though. Patchouli could almost feel someone staring at her. Several times she'd look around, and then tell herself it's nothing. She'd hear something softly thump in the back of the library, pages rustle or the floor creak. These are all things you hear normally, though.

Slowly, the night went on. After about the fifth book, Patchouli began to feel a little sleepy. A light rest couldn't hurt. Just as she started to doze off, she felt hot breath over her head. Stinking breath. The breath of some foul beast. Slowly, cautiously, she looked up.

"Oook," said the Librarian.

>> No.3477916

>>3477907
Why is there a picture of a Jew?

>> No.3477922

>>3477913
Is this leading into Tentacle rape?

>> No.3477936

>>3477913
Yeah, gonna have to call bullshit on this since there's absolutely no reason for the Librarian to go there.

Unless the SDM is going to be destroyed in five minutes and he's kindly warning Patchy.

>> No.3477939

>>3477863

Looks close enough, thanks.
So from the look of it, two wings and a main building with either a courtyard or a ballroom. The library should be on the bottom floor of a wing, the kitchen should be either in the basement or in a separate building connected by a tunnel. Not sure how the clock tower is attached, haven't seen any real clock towers connected with bridges.
The mistress' bedroom would probably be on one end of the top floor of the main building, probably under the roof on the right with the weathercock. Next to it should be a study or a personal library, although Remi may have done away with that.
Going by tradition, the head maid would either live in a sparsely furnished room in the attic, or in a back room connected to either the kitchen or the basement. There would be a rather extensive basement to house boilers and household supplies, so it is possible the basement would be in two or more floors with the bottommost housing Flandre.

In addition to that, there should be plenty of auxillary buildings around the manor.

>> No.3477950

>>3477939
I thought the Library was in the basement.

>> No.3477954

Well, clearly you cartographers are collaborating to create concrete charts of Zun's complex cosm.

However, there is clearly a conundrum: You will be confounded by the curtailment of consistency, considering the Scarlet chateau's champion chambermaid is not confined to the contraints of conventional physics, with her capacity to changethe composition of the castle at every chance.

>> No.3477955

>>3477936
Just wanted an excuse to write "Oook" on /jp/.
It's a terrible idea and should never be done seriously.

>> No.3477964

>>3477954
Yeah we talked about that.

>> No.3477968

>>3477954

/jp/ needs more alliteration.

>> No.3477970

>>3477950
It is in the basement.

>From "Perfect Memento"

>In the basement is the great library which is said to be the largest in Gensokyo.

The Great Unmoving Library.

>> No.3477983
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>> No.3477985

>>3477939

Refer to:

>>3477730

as that is the basement

>> No.3477993

>>3477983

what is this I dont even

>> No.3478001

>>3477970
Patchy could beat the hell out of Kaguya in a NEET fight.

>> No.3478006

>>3477993
Sengoku Gensokyo

>> No.3478008

>>3477970
Also here's more.

>The Scarlet Devil Mansion also has a basement, which is larger than it appears, and complicated.

>There are also many rooms without windows inside, which complicate it further.

>On the roof is a large clock tower with a bell, which only rings at night.

>A European-style mansion with red windows built on a ridge in the Misty Lake.

>> No.3478016
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>>3478001
Patchy is the greatest of all NEETs

>> No.3478025

>>3478016
Patchouli is a librarian.
That's a job.

>> No.3478035

>>3478016
>>3478025
pwn 4 life!!!1

>> No.3478038

>>3478025
No one ever requires her services or checks out books properly. If anyone ever does need help, she makes Koakuma do it.

Patchy does not work.

>> No.3478043

>>3478025
>>3478035
>>3478038

counter-strike!

>> No.3478050

>>3478025
I have enough books to have my home called a library. Doesn't mean I'm a librarian.

>> No.3478053

>>3477970

Hmm...
If the library is out of place, then the rest of the rooms probably out of their traditional places as well.

(... and a great example of Sakuya messing around with space. In EoSD you somehow have to go through the basement to get into the main hall)

>> No.3478055

>>3478038
A title is a title.
I'll give you this one, though.

>> No.3478077
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>>3478053

Of course the Library probably wouldn't have fit inside the house, I mean the thing is gigantic, so they probably made the house with the Great Library's location already in-mind.

>> No.3478080

Didn't one of the characters complain in some canon thing that the library always smelled of mildew because of the moist Japanese climate, and that the western-style basement library wasn't suited to gensokyou?

>> No.3478092

>>3478080
Yes.
> "That library reeks of mold." (Marisa Kirisame)

>> No.3478118
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>>3478053

Found another (Probably different version) picture of the SDM

>> No.3478130

>>3478118

Looks a bit like the mansion from the original Clock Tower.
When was the SDM translocated into Gensokyo again?

>> No.3478166

>>3478130

> 7/109 - (Bunbunmaru Newspaper) "Presenting the Ninth Are Maiden"
before 1998 A.D. - Vampire Incident (Perfect Memento: Reimu Hakurei)

Scarlet Devil Mansion appears in Gensokyo under auspices other than Remilia's
Akyuu believes Remilia came to Gensokyo after this incident

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>> No.3478214

>>3478174
wat?

>> No.3478276

>>3478118

For some reason the design of the mansion reminds of the school in Silent Hill

>> No.3478280

>>3478006
So does Reimu rape other touhous in captured territory?

>> No.3478618

>>3478280
No, that's Marisa, the resident negro.

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