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[Anonymous No.]

Making another Rance tread since the last one has just about hit the bump limit.

Anyway who actually uses Leyasu over kosmos. There's a lot of reasons I can list why hes' superior in battles or dungeons, but a lot of people prefer their kosmos lookalike regardless.

[Anonymous No.]

*Ieyasu

[Anonymous No.]

In the end, I didn't find him that useful.

[Anonymous No.]

We had this thread already.
Bushi unit, not so good.

[Anonymous No.]

He's more useful than Senhime in dungeons, but in battlefield I prefer Senhime.

Besides, good Ashigaru are precious.
Too many Bushi, not enough Ashigaru.

[Anonymous No.]

Kos-mos? There's a Kos-mos in this game?

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3421644
Well, Senhime offers Satisfaction, being a very Decent footsoldier(few of them accesible in most playthroughs) with Auto-Heal and all-guard, and after you get her to love, bringing her in battle raises her affection(which leads to some nice bonus upgrades).
Decent stats and high level cap do not hurt.
Getting her to Love can be annoying though.

Tokugawa is a strong Bushi, and better in commander battlers, and gets you the other decent raccoon characters, but he is not as Useful battle wise since few Bushi are truly needed. Also, harder to recruit(gets frustrating when you try to capture that twerp) and no Satisfaction.

So, it depends on what you want to do in the game.
If you want to Tackle the Harder dungeons, get Tokugawa. For a more helpful battle unit, get Senhime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421707
Senhime.
Her design is officialy parody of KOS-MOS.
(Orion blatantly says so in the manual)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421707
Sengoku Kos-mos is the best Kos-mos

[Anonymous No.]

Bunshi are the main damage dealers in this game, and he comes with Full Power Attack 2, how is that poorer than senhime.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3421718
I had the opportunity to buy a fig of her and didn't.

I got a Sacchin instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421722
>Bunshi
>main damage dealers
No.

[Anonymous No.]

how do you recruit that guy anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421726
I have 1/8 version, the one with snakes. And it's fucking gorgeous. Thinking about buying the other one, but it doesn't look as awesome and I always have some other stuff to buy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421735
On a related news, Senhime has giant boobs. 1/8 boobs are bigger than all the other 1/7 and even 1/6 figurines I have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421710
The 5 SAT loss is lamentable but totally worth it in my opinion, As for capturing, it's simple as beans with the Kuge sister Bunshi, two hits of light attack = guaranteed capture.

As for battles, I can't see how senhime is better. She has her purpose as a defensive unit, but most of the time you want offensive ones that do damage. Leyasu comes fully loaded as a Bunshi with 5 actions points, Senhime 3 actions points and a small auto heal.

To make senhime a decent damage dealer you would need too much work on her, extra action points/ affection bonuses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421722
In higher difficulty levels, you depend less on dealing damage and more on defending and increasing the battle rating to your favor.

[Anonymous No.]

He's a good Bushi unit with very nice Dungeon stats. But Bushi units are a dime a dozen.
Footmen, now... those are freaking rare. Plus KOS-MOS is a hot chick.

On a side note, Bushi really are the main damage dealers in the game, but only because there's so many of them.

[Anonymous No.]

I herd figures

Isoroku figure is godly

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421722
Cause when the opponent has 4000 Troops, getting him to 2000 does not lower his damage output that much.
And you will never have as many.
The only Great Bushi Units are Kenshin(stats plus Goddess of War, Top Tier unit of the game), Noir(autoheal+ Commander Charge)), Rance(easy to buff to 8s plus the best autoheal after a few events+CHaos+Rance attack) and Akashi(kind of a pain to be useful).
Then, you have the Bushi units with Commander charge that are moderately useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421728
enlighten me and tell me who the main damage dealers are then

>>3421754
I didn't mean this discussion for higher difficulties really. If a player is tackling the harder modes he already has lots of family bonuses, and probably uses the Takeda and One eye houses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421753
It's BUshi, hon
bunshi is a molecule

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421753
>most of the time you want offensive ones that do damage.
And there A LOT of better front and second row units to do that. Decent footman units however, are rather rare.
>5 actions points
That you will never use in the combat completely, unless you are using him solo or something. Battles don't last that long.
And no, you don't need to make Senhime a decent damage dealer. (why would you fucking do that, jesus christ?) You, however, need to upgrade her defence.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3421753
The problem is the fucker actually appearing. Capturing is dead-easy.
And Senhime's purpose (footsoldiers) is not damage, especially in later difficulties . And you lack unique footsoldiers in the game in comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421769
With these bonuses, Tokugawa is obsolete, Senhime still useful.
And the only guaranteed house bonuses are the storyline ones, Takeda one especially can be a bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421769
Out of those nine characters though, only one is a Footman.
Good Footmen are rare as hell. You start with Katsuie (good) and Maeda (excellent), but then it's very difficult to get decent ones. Senhime is pretty good, Nogiku is good too... that's pretty much all you can get easily. Yoshihisa is unavailable or can only be obtained late in the game.

[Anonymous No.]

the Strong bushi:

Rance, yes he needs a few books and SAT bonuses, but he's a beast afterwards, and comes with a 20%+ dmg item.
Leila, well she's bushi like, comes with good stats and a usefull special attack
Leyasu, comes with decent stats and fully loaded skills
Motonari, Comes with good stats and skills

Im not mentioning Noir and Masamune, if you conquered One eye already then you've practically beaten the game already anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

did any humanitarian hypocrites among you rage when Rance killed those little boys who raped Kou?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421792
Nope.
Everything is Rance's including women.
You spoil the flower he actively waits on, prepare to die.
law of the jungle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421792
kids deserved it, fuck 'em.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3421792
Why would you NOT want him to kill them?

[Anonymous No.]

If we're talking about five star difficulty, then all you're doing is battle rating your way to victory anyway. All other units are fodder in that sense.

>>3421772
Full Power Warrior Attack consumes two action points so it's pretty easy to use up all five.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you get Ieyasu?

He gets killed by whatsit from Oshu whenever I capture him

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421790
>enlighten me and tell me who the main damage dealers are the
There is no unit class that can be a main damage dealer. There are however, a lot of unique commanders in different classes that outperform any bushi unit. Instakillers like ninjas, 56 and musketeer girl, Omachi, Takeda cavalry (tactician too, because BR damage is awesome), tulips, percent attackers, special cannon, Leila.
Mages and shikigami are great if you are using smaller squads. Musketeers too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421817
you need to capture and recruit the footman tanuki. Afterward talk to him twice and when you face Leyasu you'll get the option to give him tempura, doing so makes him join you at a later turn.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3421817
Beat the game. Capture the raccoon dog that's always sleeping. Get a couple of conversation scenes with it where you find out about tempura.

Rape the Ieyasu army until you get up to the fight against him. Choose the "Tempura" option.

Ieyasu loves Sill, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421821
well I suppose there really isn't a "main damage dealer" class, but what I mean to convey is that some bushi are very good damage dealers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421813
because there's these deranged folks in the world that inisist kids who commit atrocities shouldn't be held responsible for their actions like adults and blah blah blah

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421821
Omachi and Yamagata aren't exactly common units. Of course they do more damage than Bushis, but they're exceptions.
Add up all the damage that's been done in an entire game, divided by class, and Bushi units will generally come out way, way on top. I think that's what people mean when they say Bushis are the main damage dealers; that the bulk of your damage is inflicted by them.
If the game was filled with Mages and you could only get a couple Bushi units, they'd be saying Mages are the main damage dealers.
Either way, there's a metric fuckton of Bushis available, and very few decent Footmen. That's why people grab KOS-MOS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421839
>some bushi
Tokugawa isn't one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

BTW, have anyone played the free minigame taking place after Sengoku Rance?
Suzume, Kanami, and Senhime chop up some baaad ninjas
http://www.alicesoft.com/sp/sanbikiga/index.html

It's pretty fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421859
Downloading now.

[Anonymous No.]

I've yet to play this. Any good? Who's a good translation group that's done this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421876

It's no good and coalguys subbed it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421878
you sire, are a terrible human being

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421850
>Bushi units will generally come out way, way on top.
Not in any of my games, really. I just don't see any reason to use them outside of something like 5 best ones.
And Omachi isn't hard to obtain. In fact, she should be one of the priorities, considering that One Eyed house is great and has no gourds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421878
... Coalguys?

WAT

[Anonymous No.]

I think there's a divide in though between the different difficulty modes. At high difficulties you're probably using house bonuses like One Eye and Takeda, so most of the other units you get during gameplay are pretty inconsequential.

In the low difficultys with no house bonuses, everything matters on the commanders you recruit. Personally I don't use tend footmen at these low difficulties, I prefer to put something else in the front row that deals more damage, bushi. There may be times when they do take a beating and even get annihilated, but even then rarely do they die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421876
get the patch here, and id say it's worth a look

http://yandere.gray7.com/

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3421907
There is no guarantee you get these house bonuses, and it's still not a complete party.
Bushi are DEATH only in Normal mode, and even then seriously lacking against the Demon Army.
Footmen are always useful.
And Tokugawa is just not that good.
He is mostly useful in dungeons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421876
Try Hongfire?

[Anonymous No.]

I could've gotten a Kou figurine for dirt cheap.
Could've...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421921
Id like to bring out a sample game, 1 start no house bonuses

top, twelve commanders are what I use to battle with, I can totally murder anything the demon army or one eye throws at me.

Also im counting Leila as a bushi since she virtually is one. And Katsuie is only there because of speak attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>TADA: I don't like elves and dwarves! I also despise goblins, kobolds, and orcs!
>Goblin = Yankees

lolwut

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421950
>speak attack

He starts yelling at people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421950
and the map

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421955
spear attack*, my mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421950
>Also im counting Leila as a bushi since she virtually is one
If anything, she is a cross between the Bushi and Footman with a very unique ability. The only thing that makes her useful.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3421950
Waaaaay too many units and money, and their stats raised.
Smells of tampering.
It's ridiculous(not to mention 1 star ain't that hard).
The point is, Tokugawa is not that good a unit.
There are many ways to beat the opposing parties.
Agireda in Real route can actually be much more menacing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421965
>Waaaaay too many units and money, and their stats raised.
Not that impossible, really. I usually play somehow like that. It's not a very optimal way, though. Takes way too much time.

[Anonymous No.]

What's a bushi

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3421974
Even Having conquered ALL the areas in Kill the Monkey with Merchant and Asset early through, I did not have as much money and troops.
And with 1 star and NO bonuses to save you resources?
A bit iffy.
Can't confirm 100%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421982
A samurai warrior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421965
>>3421984
I did start with bonuses, what I said was I did not start with house bonuses. This had all items and misc stuff for this run.

[Anonymous No.]

the easiest way to cheat in sengoku rance is use SpoilerAL

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421996

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3422023
That was just a one-fingered salute to everyone that won through sheer determination and battle permit spamming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422023
Cheating is for losers.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3422039
You're doing it wrong. Set the "turn" back to 1, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3421950
>>3421956
For anyone wondering were the gold came from, I have nine commanders with merchant

[Anonymous No.]

from last year's alice soft staff page, during the official character popularity poll
the main artist Orion's doodle

"vote for Noir!!"

[Anonymous No.]

but the following week......... ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422107

there's a limit to how much merchant can add

[Anonymous No.]

>For anyone wondering were the gold came from, I have SpoilerAL installed on my machine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422113
so who won the poll

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422121
it's not like I earned 400k gold in one turn

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422158
100 turns, 400k gold? With 2k troops on that many commanders? 277 Sat, 5 action fans? Many, many stats as 9? Color me impressed, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

Does the Demon-Only Chisel work on Xavier? I'm assuming it does but am not sure who to give it to. The 6 people I'm planning on bringing to fight Xavier for the second time are

Rance | Kentarou
Uruza | Kenshin
Natori | Mori

Rance and Kentarou have their respective weapons so no worries for them. I'll give the healer -50% dmg helm to help keep her alive. What I'm trying to distribute are:

+100 dmg sword
+50 dmg fangs
+50% dmg Demon-Only Chisel
+20% dmg Murasame

Any tips on whom should get what? I was figuring the Chisel for Uruza (5 attacks) but not sure if the Murasame outdamages the other two weapons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422202
wasn't hard at all, with all items and the misc bonuses

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422218
sarchasm

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422210
The Demon-Only Chisel, or another other item for that matter isn't going to play that big a part in the battle. Just bring in your highest level commanders and some shinigami guards

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422202
It really isn't that hard. I had the monkey run almost like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422228

Still, it does work properly on Xavier, correct?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422251

no

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422228

Meant to add in last post:

If I do bring Souun in, equip him with the freebie Shiki guardian and replace Natori or stick with the helm and replace Natori?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422256

Well that blows. I'm pretty sure the +100/+50 dmg weapons work in commander fights so I'll just bring those in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422256
Whaaaa?
Far as I know there's only three freakin' demons in the entire game. Xavier being one of them, and the only demon that's in any of the standard routes.
I can't believe they'd make that item solely for the Demon King mini-route?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422268

it's a youkai chisel. to be sure, just equip it and try it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422261
Why do you care that much? You can switch the commanders anytime, just put some good ninjas in the first squad and change the units whenever you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422275
Oh... so the translator just messed up the description on that and the gold mask, then?
Is that what happened to the Lure ability? I haven't had the opportunity to try it yet, but an Attack buff on a Musket unit wouldn't do anything...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422276

Last time I went against Xavier with a party of ninjas for replacing, he killed my whole party in about 3 attacks. I'd at least want a chance of damaging him for once.

[Anonymous No.]

Youkai, Monsters, Demons, and Devils are all completely different spieces, but maybe there are some translations that gets them confused with another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422310
>Youkai, Monsters, Demons, and Devils
Also, Oni.

[Anonymous No.]

Well that was pretty anti-climatic: Lost Kenshin and Kentarou before I could really used them. Wish I hadn't bothered trying to raise Kentarou for so many turns.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, guess it's time for a new game. Guess I'll do a 1 star run of Kenshin's route. Any bonuses I should consider other than extra war fans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422444

I should mention that I have none of the house bonuses (missed Mori's by one turn because of plot kill)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422486
I recommend the two bushi, extra fan and battle permits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422528
I would take a popularity wand instead of bushi. Works great in the long run.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422528
>>3422539

How exactly do battle permits work? Do they randomly take over territories until one territory left in the province or do they always take over a territory?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422444
The musketeer is pretty good, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422559
they always work, but yea you need to conquer the last sub territory yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422559
They don't fail until one territory left in the province . They do however lose troops during the attacks, so they are a bit pricey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422559
And yeah, they pick their targets randomly. However, they will always recover lost provinces in territories you control before targeting provinces in enemy territory.

[Anonymous No.]

So grab:

Musketeer
2 Bushi
War Fan
Pop. Wand

What about the last 5 points? National Power +3 or +10,000 gold?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422577
>>3422583

Wish I had noticed that in my first game. Probably would have saved 10+ turns of just fighting.

[Anonymous No.]

So I've been dicking around with free for all mode - Dokuganryu seems like one of the best choices, since they're only open to attack from two angles, and they have 5 great units along with 4 decent generics. Only real flaw is how much fucking national power they take up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422684
whoops, wrong image

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422684
They're great. Powerful in both army and dungeon fights.
The drawbacks are NP (as you mentioned), and the fact that aside from the eyeball's understandably good Search score, they have absolutely no noncombat abilities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422728
Forgot to add; for free for all, of course the noncombat stuff wouldn't matter much.
Personally I owned Free for All with Shimazu. They've got powerful commanders (including possibly the best commander in the entire game, Ootomo Sourin) and start with only one opponent.

[Anonymous No.]

re-playing through the Isoroku route made me lament how quickly Nihonmaru was demoted from ruler of JAPAN to projectile

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422210
You should immediately sub out Rance or Kentarou so that you have a backup in case Xavier's an ass and uses his 49% damage attack multiple times in a row. You just need either one of them in the active party to be able to deal damage to him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3422684
Real Men Start With Hani.

It's so fucking hard, it's awesome.

[Anonymous No.]