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Anonymous Sun Apr 11 15:34:42 2021 No.34207239 [Reply] [Original]

I live in Japan, and it fucking sucks. I made a thread about this a lonnnng time ago, but this bears repeating.

1. Anime and manga are more expensive in Japan. The prices are ridiculous, and it's hard for me to justify buying anime even though I feel it's important for fans to make an effort to support the industry.

2. If you are a girl, you will be groped and treated like shit. I have had men grab my ass in public *7* different times in the past year and a half. My Japanese friends say that women should just grit their teeth and bear it, since if you try to do something about it you will be publicly shamed. I also feel dirty and pathetic when these incidents occur.

3. Office culture in Japan is...intense. You are expected to show up at social gatherings even if you do not want to. And at these social gatherings people have the EXACT SAME CONVERSATIONS AGAIN AND AGAIN. I've had like 50 conversations on the power of beer to refresh you after a day's work. You have to say "good morning" every day in a very specific way, and if you don't then someone will approach you and tell you that's not how things are done at company XYZ.

4. The people treat gaijin like shit. Even the ones who try to be nice come across as condescending and rude by American standards. There are also a large number of Japanese men who think gaijin women are sluts and that they can get you to open your legs at the drop of a hat. Fuckers.

I wish all the Japanohiles could actually visit GLORIOUS NIPPON. They'd change their tune.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 11 15:35:36 2021 No.34207252 >>34207239 bird... easy on the pasta

Anonymous Sun Apr 11 15:36:21 2021 No.34207264
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Hello, fellow NEETs. I just took a dump on the floor like I usually do. Everything was fine until I started pulling my jeans back on. Suddenly, I felt a fart coming. "No biggie", I thought at first, and just let it out. But that wasn't just a fart, there was unexpected wet shit coming out of my ass. You know, usually before this happens your stomach hurts and stuff, but this time it was just too sudden. My jeans were completely covered in diarrhea. But it wasn't over yet, I still had some harder shit coming. At that point I stopped caring about everything and continued shitting all over my pants. It felt like my ass was having an orgasm, and the shit just couldn't stop flowing out. Finally, it was over. I took my pants off, and wiped my butt with the side that was still somewhat clean.

Now, here is the problem, I have nothing else to wear. I do have some really old pants laying somewhere, but they've been dirty for the last 2 years. I'm pretty sure /jp/ didn't even exist yet the last time I washed my other pairs of pants. They are so old, they have mold growing on the old mold, so I don't even want to touch them.

So, any suggestions what I should do now? I'm thinking about just walking around naked, and if a mailman comes or something, I will put a blanket on.

Anonymous Sun Apr 11 15:42:34 2021 No.34207352
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>>34207239
Imagine thinking Japan culture is equal to Tokyo culture, Tokyo is a piece of shit of place.

You have bigass forests and villages to visit, and even smaller islands like Okinawa.
Tokyo is the least part of Japan you should visit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 11 15:50:36 2021 No.34207449 >>34207239 Shitty pasta, and false on all accounts. Fuck off.

Anonymous Sun Apr 11 16:00:51 2021 No.34207592

>>34207239
>who try to be nice come across as condescending and rude by American standards
>American Standards

American standards are weird as fuck man, you're all way too chipper and happy on the surface, it really freaked me out when I was over there

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 11 16:02:10 2021 No.34207611 >>34207352 Alright, I want to visit Japan next year, what areas are a must see? I have about 3 weeks time

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 11 16:05:46 2021 No.34207668 Imagine actually going to Japan instead of just watching anime and JAV Lmao what a fucktard

Anonymous Sun Apr 11 16:31:53 2021 No.34208049

>>34207239
I believe you should learn Aikido. Now I know you may be thinking, "Why should I learn a weakling martial art like Aikido when I am learning Karate?" I can see why you would think that, how can a peaceful martial arts like Aikido beat a powerful one like Karate.

Well, I have a story to share with you.

Years ago, I was a karateka, I thought I was the toughest kid in high school, I would pick fights, and kick ass. I was full of hate, until I picked a fight with the wrong dude. He was a Japanese exchange student, I still remember his name, Noboru Takeda.

I picked on him because of his hilarious and thick Japanese accent. I told him I was going to beat him so hard, he would go back to China(Yeah, I was a little racist prick.), he never said anything back, made me wanted to kick his ass even harder.

Well, here comes the fight. I threw several punches, he dodged them like I was a mere white belt. I was tiring out and he knew, I saw the smirk on his face that made me raged hard. I put all my strength in one amazing punch, and he grabbed it and threw me over. My back smacked on the hard cement ground, and I was knocked out for who knows how long.

When I woke up I was in the school infirmary, I asked the nurse who brought me here, and you guessed it, Noboru Takeda. The next day, he wasn't at school, he was back in Japan, and I never got to thank him, for saving my life and showing me the light. I soon learned that he was an Aikidoka and have been practicing Aikido ever since to show my thanks to him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 11 19:04:25 2021 No.34210013 >>34207449 >false on all accounts ok dude. you can admit japan isn't shangri-la.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 11 22:55:56 2021 No.34212305 >>34207239 manga is dirty cheap, shit pasta

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 02:24:18 2021 No.34214602 >>34207611 al of these, lighting incense candles and reciting the SOS brigade manifesto at each site http://tanasinn.info/wiki/Stalking_Haruhi_Suzumiya

Anonymous Mon Apr 12 02:29:09 2021 No.34214650

>>34207239
>Anime and manga are more expensive in Japan. The prices are ridiculous, and it's hard for me to justify buying anime even though I feel it's important for fans to make an effort to support the industry.
Streaming exists. TV exists. You don’t need to buy anime and a single manga vol costs below 1k yen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 02:31:31 2021 No.34214667 >feelio when drop stinky scatsauce on janiturd's nanner

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 02:43:32 2021 No.34214763 >>34207239 it is true that a lot of men will think that they can offer gaijin women money for sex

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 02:50:24 2021 No.34214821 >>34207239 I'm glad you're enjoying Japan my friend

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 02:53:17 2021 No.34214837 Oh no Japan turned out to be a workaholic gloomy depressing country! It's not like the animes at all!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 02:55:49 2021 No.34214852 >>34214763 Give enough money to anyone and they'd probably agree to have sex with you. Everyone is technically a really expensive prostitute if you think about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 03:10:39 2021 No.34214976 >>34214852 maybe, but it isn't really common to just offer money for sex to any random woman you just met, I have heard of it happening in Japan to more than one girl I know of (pretty white girls)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 03:48:21 2021 No.34215290 >>34207239 >Anime and manga are more expensive in Japan. Is this actually true? I can find Japanese manga at a local bookstore for cheaper than translated releases, so I kinda doubt this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 03:52:09 2021 No.34215325 >>34215290 it isn't true I've even bought manga in a sales bin for like 25 yen

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 04:08:19 2021 No.34215455 File: 1.28 MB, 1920x1454, ___3cAAAgOBOuA-1920.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34207239 >that's not how things are done at company XYZ >Japan But XYZ is a Taiwan-based company that makes brakes and coilovers for racing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 04:10:51 2021 No.34215472 >>34208049 The random cheesiness of the story made me laugh out loud

Anonymous Mon Apr 12 06:04:58 2021 No.34216250

Japan...I don't get why she gets all the hate on /jp/. World War II is just written to make her out as the bad guy, when really she's no worse than any of the 'protagonists' and a better country than most of them.

What are the main complaints? She raped China and stole Southeast Asia to use in the war?

Okay, let's get this straight. She never fucking raped China. She never did it. She never did it. She never did it. She never did it. She fucked China.

Let me ask you this. WHO IN THE WORLD DIDN'T FUCK CHINA? You can't even name one fucking nation who hasn't flooded her loose ports! She is the kind of bitch who will act like she doesn't want it when she really does. She'll say No! while signing multiple treaties. Japan knew this, she's a fucking ladies man. She knows what filthy whores like China want.

And there's this other big bitch you guys have with her. She supposedly stole Southeast Asia and used her in the war for her own greed.

Objection! She was worried about her one and only precious Brother-Asians. Is keeping your loved ones from a brutal imperialism so wrong? When America does the same thing to the Phillipines it's like 'oh she's so manly', but when Japan does it it's wrong? She just wanted to protect Asia. She probably was going to use her superpower status to tighten her ports back up or cure her malaria or something.

The history was written to make that faggot America look good. Objectively, Japan is a far better country than America. At least she has the balls to take action decisively instead of dicking around like America, and if she wasn't stuck with the weak ass colony Corea and no plothax she probably would have won the war.

Anonymous Mon Apr 12 08:45:33 2021 No.34217893

>>34207239
>same conversations over and over
your a gaijin anon, can't you think of some conversation topics that the nips might not have head or thought of? You have a perspective many of them haven't had. Learn to be a good conversationalist.

>girls are treated like shit
take a motorcycle, don't take the shrimp transporter.

>Office culture is instense and I don't like it
well yeah what do you expect? it's a different country and they have different issues to the west. They've been in a recession since the 90's IIRC.

You did travel all the way to another country for the sake of the passion of your career and not just to see kimonos and dakimakuras, right anon?

>they are rude by american standards
>American
ok, now I see the problem.

Anonymous Mon Apr 12 09:06:05 2021 No.34218120

In my home country, this is Nara of Japan, american student

1. steal stuff everything

2. lying to policeman

3. spit to face when talking, mouth smell bad

4. don't have money, many american student, hole in cloths and dirty pants, old shoes

5. raping? jap girl because jap girl say american boy no thanks, very ugly and fat

6. very smell of food eating by american

7. very smell of body, no bath long time, sometime 10 days?

american=monkey same

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 09:24:05 2021 No.34218368 >>34218120 o yea and wat the fuk r u gonna do about it nerd. say 2 my face not online and see wat happen

Anonymous Mon Apr 12 09:56:03 2021 No.34218846

>>34218368
Today I had the opportunity to fight a MMA fighter, and I declined.

No, it's not because I was chicken to fight, I notice that he wasn't worthy of fighting, in fact, no one in the past week who had challenge is worthy. I don't like holding back to have a challenge.

I wish I was weaker, so I can fight without having to hold back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 10:15:25 2021 No.34219092 >>34218846 maybe stop imagining getting challenged by baki characters in your head and go and find some actual living breathing people.

Anonymous Mon Apr 12 12:33:09 2021 No.34220632

>>34219092
I decided to take a stroll in the park today in my Aikido suit as I like to call it, the weather was great. I found myself a great spot for doing Aikido techniques, as I train, a beautiful woman came up to me and tapped my shoulder. I was so immersed in training that I mistaken her as a threat and grabbed her arm, tossing her to the ground. I quickly realized my mistake and apologized, she accepted the sincere apology of mine.

Afterwards she asked me what I was doing, I explained to her that I was practicing the ancient and mighty Japanese art of Aikido, she gave me her phone number, wanting to discuss more of Aikido.

An obvious excuse to meetup once again to have sex because I already told her everything about Aikido.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 15:03:44 2021 No.34222409 File: 16 KB, 382x322, 1605568104206.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34207239 >You have to say "good morning" every day

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 15:40:29 2021 No.34222977 >>34207239 >I wish all the Japanohiles could actually visit GLORIOUS NIPPON. If I did that, I wouldn't like it. Why would I do that to myself?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 15:55:17 2021 No.34223158 >>34214976 Apparently, it's also fairly common with black gaijin women and black half-Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 16:14:52 2021 No.34223408 >>34220632 Pastas aside, Aikido really is great.

Anonymous Mon Apr 12 17:19:54 2021 No.34224098

As a well-traveled, Jamaican-born, American national living in Nihon for the past many months, I have seen many instances of the widely-held notion that foreigners disrupt the well-run Nihonjin social fabric. I weave in and out of scenarios frequented by all walks of society (and proud to be privileged to be able to do so) and have plenty examples of ill gaijin behaviour to share; from Tokyo to Fukuoka. In particular from male caucasians from Western Europe and the US. Ill, ill behaviour. Simply classless. They seem intent on corrupting this society. It's not gonna happen, as Nihonjin are a tough bunch.

As we are well aware, Japanese society is exceptional in many regards, and seemingly few of the gaijins I have witnessed have proper regards for this old society. To be clear, Nihon is not without its misgivings, however, it is truly exceptional to anywhere else on Earth, in many, many regards. Spend a minimum of 3-weeks anywhere in Nihon and sit back and learn how civil society ought to operate. This is the most well-oiled machine in the world and Nihonjin should guard vigorously against infiltration. It's a matter of national and cultural security. It is an absolute privilege to be here. My returns to the West are fraught with disgust and disdain at how uncivil and disorderly things are, relative to Nihon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 17:22:36 2021 No.34224134 >>34224098 What, no anecdotes?

Anonymous Mon Apr 12 17:27:47 2021 No.34224186

>>34224134
My Aikido dojo is across from a Karate dojo. We usually get a lot of rude remarks from them, such as Aikido being for weaklings.

Well, one of them challenged me, he was a white male in his 20's. I accepted of course, I never back down from a challenge.

He had really good form, but his Karate was no match for my Aikido. He delivered a great kick but it was nothing for me, I easily grabbed it and knocked him down with a kick. This went on for about 10 minutes until he got too tired.

He got frustrated and left, he was about to cross the street but I stopped him from getting hit by a speeding cyclist. He didn't say thanks but it still felt good to save someone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 17:33:05 2021 No.34224239 >>34207239 this pasta is old and gross someone call in the bird

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 18:04:13 2021 No.34224567 >>34220632 Based. Based on what, you may ask? Based on the path of supreme enlightenment and self-improvement through the study of Aikido.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 19:00:57 2021 No.34225188 >>34224567 Have they taught you the kamehameha yet? how far are you along?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 21:01:00 2021 No.34226369 >>34207239 https://discord .gg/freezer

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 21:41:25 2021 No.34226723 >>34207239 Manga is not more expensive you fucking idiot it is literally a third or half the cost as a translated volume

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 21:42:27 2021 No.34226732 >>34215290 Anime yes, manga no

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 13 00:58:26 2021 No.34228533 /jp/ doesn't get moderated anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 13 02:47:10 2021 No.34229460 >>34226723 OP is just trolling

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 13 15:29:33 2021 No.34240664 >>34228533 it does but all the jannies just sit in the vtumor threads and ban anyone who tells them to fuck off to vt

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 13 17:17:11 2021 No.34241716 >>34240664 that is really depressing to hear

Anonymous Tue Apr 13 17:30:10 2021 No.34241817

>>34228533
>>34240664
Even the damn Global general which was exiled to /vt/ is back. There's not a lot of posts in it but the fact it's been up 11 hours means it's fine for them to be back too, I guess. Man what a fucked state of affairs this has all been. /vt/ is such a cancer they don't want to post in it, so they'd rather shit all over /jp/ until they sink that ship too.

Hard not to get aggravated every time you see it because all of this started over some mod drama and them thinking /jp/ should just be a vtuber dumping ground. And the salt to the wound is this apparently made such a shitstorm that they can't even be assed to moderate the rest of the board anymore because it's too much effort now. This could've been prevented early on if they just stymied the source of the cancer, but no, vtubers HAVE to stay on /jp/ because the mods like it so much here. What a disaster. /jp/'s been so mismanaged at this point you can't even joke about it, it's just sad.

Anonymous Tue Apr 13 17:38:42 2021 No.34241914
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Anonymous Tue Apr 13 17:41:14 2021 No.34241936

>>34241817
>Man what a fucked state of affairs this has all been. /vt/ is such a cancer they don't want to post in it, so they'd rather shit all over /jp/ until they sink that ship too.
/vt/ is filled with ENs and Newfags.
>Hard not to get aggravated every time you see it because all of this started over some mod drama and them thinking /jp/ should just be a vtuber dumping ground.
As opposed to what? A place where we all type "Remilla" instead of "Towa", then post pseudo-porn?
>This could've been prevented early on if they just stymied the source of the cancer, but no, vtubers HAVE to stay on /jp/ because the mods like it so much here. What a disaster. /jp/'s been so mismanaged at this point you can't even joke about it, it's just sad.
They don't even do anything. They just sit in their threads, as before. That's not cancer. You're just desperate to have a "We fought the bronies" moment in your life.

Anonymous Tue Apr 13 18:06:39 2021 No.34242173
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>>34241936
>they don't even do anything
>they just sit in their threads
their threads kill other threads on the board anon, that's kind of how 4chan works. This is a slow board and there are regular threads that get close to being archived that have regulars and hundreds of posts. vtuber threads get threads that shouldn't be archived archived.

I've also seen vtuber fags making multiple generals, not just of different types but of the same type before checking if a general is already started, or making another general straight away because their thread didn't get any responses.

You would understand all of this if you came to /jp/ for anything other than vtuber threads and weren't a newfag yourself anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 13 18:08:49 2021 No.34242198 File: 357 KB, 680x697, 1598611880221.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34241936 >/vt/ is filled with ENs and Newfags. Your board is shit because your topic is shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 13 18:12:42 2021 No.34242222 >>34215290 >Is this actually true? only for anime.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 13 18:30:42 2021 No.34242379 Why is it always that disillusioned wapanese complain? Normal people who go to Japan for other reasons than their interest in anime usually have a great time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 13 18:42:04 2021 No.34242559 Aikido almost won the Underground Arena Tournament so there is that.

Anonymous Tue Apr 13 18:50:35 2021 No.34242665

>>34241936
The fact that you're using that as your argument shows that you either don't know what you're talking about or don't understand why it's bad in the first place that they're still here despite /vt/ existing.
EN and Newfags are nothing more than an excuse considering it is very likely that you are a newfag yourself.

Anonymous Tue Apr 13 19:56:49 2021 No.34243291

>>34242173
>This is a slow board and there are regular threads that get close to being archived that have regulars and hundreds of posts. vtuber threads get threads that shouldn't be archived archived.
You're calling them "cancer" because they make threads on a topic that grabs more attention than your particular hobby.
>>34242198
EN is new.
>>34242665
>The fact that you're using that as your argument shows that you either don't know what you're talking about or don't understand why it's bad in the first place that they're still here despite /vt/ existing.
I'm saying it's not "Cancer". It's an inconvenience that comes from sharing a board with people who regularly talk about one particular phenomenon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 13 20:17:22 2021 No.34243493 File: 114 KB, 1504x1498, my life.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So much for going to japan then

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 00:09:31 2021 No.34246071 >>34243291 >making up multiple threads on a slow board means it's popular. fucking kys you dumb nigger.

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 00:34:03 2021 No.34246315

>>34243291
>You're calling them "cancer" because they make threads on a topic that grabs more attention than your particular hobby.
They are killing this board.
Multiple threads that were here a year ago are either struggling to stay here or aren't here anymore. /vt/ was to be a fix to that problem, yet they're still being forced here. Nobody gives a shit how popular it is. Vtubers are a problem on this board and need to be moved to /vt/.

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 01:23:59 2021 No.34246604

>>34207239
>They actually moved to japan

You fucking weeb lol. You're supposed to go for a holiday, not move there. Embrace all the freebie cultural passes you get from your gaijin card, get shit faced on strong zero and roam akiba, then return home satisfied. Japan is my own personal isekai while you made it your reality you retard

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 09:39:29 2021 No.34250567

>>34246604
I too found it annoying when i see shitty /vt/ threads stink up /jp/ and it gets very annoying, they have their own so please go back to your own board. I do hope vtubers go and all die because it was a mistake creating them in the first place to begin with. Sorry for going on a bit of a rant, but i am just very frustrated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 09:59:52 2021 No.34250864 >>34250567 The jannies refuse to let /jp/ be a better board

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 11:19:14 2021 No.34252027 well if the janitors wont do their jobs, then i guess i will have to guerilla warfare tactics against these threads.

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 13:53:02 2021 No.34255022

>>34252027
I think a bit of gore and uncle posting would scare most of the 12 year olds away. By the way i'm defintely NOT saying to do that, definitely not, but most of the /vt/fags are redditors that probably couldn't handle 90% of the more fucked up shit this site tunes out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 13:57:49 2021 No.34255092 >>34223408 no its not you fucking retard it is purely choreographic bullshit

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 13:59:19 2021 No.34255111 >>34246071 >making up multiple threads on a slow board means it's popular. Reread, schizo. >>34246315 Why don't you just post in the dying threads?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 14:01:37 2021 No.34255154 >>34207239 >If you are a girl This was your first mistake.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 14:03:14 2021 No.34255178 File: 435 KB, 1280x1175, 1387068865989.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] loling @ newfags replying to pasta if you wonder why this board is in such a shit state filled with teenagers, pic related is who is supposed to clean it

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 14:33:18 2021 No.34255516 >>34207239 Sounds like something the U.S. will turn into in about 20 years. FTW

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 15:02:32 2021 No.34255921 >>34255111 Who said I didn't genius. I can't catch every thread. People refuse to come to this board because of that shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 15:05:34 2021 No.34255958 >>34255921 >I can't catch every thread. If you need to bump that many threads, the threads dying is justified. They don't have many active users. Just let it be.

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 15:30:28 2021 No.34256254
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>>34255111
no one cares that it's "popular," the same way people on /a/ don't want to be flooded with low effort/bait tier threads for every aoty.

I did, did you read the part about making up multiple threads killing other threads? no one wants to be flooded with a bunch of normie hololive threads killing other threads on the board just because it's "popular."

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 15:31:31 2021 No.34256271 >>34255178 I never had much faith in the down syndrome cat desu.

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 15:34:59 2021 No.34256311

>>34256254
>no one cares that it's "popular,"
Who are you quoting?
>the same way people on /a/ don't want to be flooded with low effort/bait tier threads for every aoty.
Vtuber threads tend to take the form of generals, anon.
>I did, did you read the part about making up multiple threads killing other threads?
Usually accidental, anon. Early threads are ignored, not bumped.
>no one wants to be flooded with a bunch of normie hololive threads killing other threads on the board just because it's "popular."
Obviously, the people making and participating in those threads don't mind the commotion. Go and give people a reason to be interested in gravures and 2hu ecchi. Easiest way to fight back.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 15:40:27 2021 No.34256376 >>34255958 Letting topic after topic die because of one fad harboring idiots that spam threads is somehow justified when there is a board for the topic of said fad. No, it is not justified.

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 15:46:33 2021 No.34256445

>>34256376
>Letting topic after topic die because of one fad harboring idiots that spam threads is somehow justified when there is a board for the topic of said fad.
>>33912789
>>34153444
>>34239667
You could move all 2hus to /v/, /vg/, and/or /a/ and the problem would immediately be resolved.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 15:48:07 2021 No.34256461 >>34256445 You could move vtubers to /vt/ and the problem would be solved.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 15:50:20 2021 No.34256499 >>34256461 Fine. Compromise: Get the moderators to make a new board just for Touhou. Worse than bronies, honestly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 15:51:11 2021 No.34256511 >>34256499 Sounds like a plan.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 16:16:03 2021 No.34256802 >>34256499 >Worse than bronies, honestly :(

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 16:17:43 2021 No.34256821
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This whole thing reminds me of the shounentard invasion of /a/. Even their behaviour towards the native posters and board topics is near identical. But I suppose the mods are fine with that if it means that /vyt/ and /nijisanji/ gets to stay on /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 18:16:09 2021 No.34258361 >>34256821 Why does /a/ hate certain kinds of anime anyway? vtubers aren't doujin nor otaku but "shounen" is anime and manga. It's like being angry that there were people discussing kid collectable shows like Bakugan or Bdaman all the time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 18:23:35 2021 No.34258438 >>34258361 The monstrous size of the shounen battle fanbase compared with the sizes of all the other fanbases combined overwhelmed the place. "Gatekeeping" is futile when the native population of the board is outnumbered.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 19:35:11 2021 No.34259206 >>34258361 >vtubers aren't doujin nor otaku Outside Kizuna AI, they somewhat are/were otaku culture.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 19:37:40 2021 No.34259233 >>34241936 open jaypee, sees gura, close jaypee And fuck the jannies, when /jp/ was created every single poster of touhou in /a/ should leave or be banned, but they don't apply the same with holospam now

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 19:47:14 2021 No.34259329 >>34259233 Touhou is primarily a video game series, so that's somewhat justified.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 20:11:28 2021 No.34259594 >>34256445 You could kill yourself instead vteen

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 20:14:23 2021 No.34259615 Holoteens are at it again..

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 20:15:37 2021 No.34259625 >>34258361 >vtubers aren't otaku news to literally every japanese otaku on the planet

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 20:16:21 2021 No.34259631 >>34256311 >Vtuber threads tend to take the form of generals, anon. That doesn't make them good you retard. Lurk for at least 2 more years.

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 20:25:17 2021 No.34259727

>>34252027
advanced shitposters have been doing that for YEARS
it's quite interesting if you look closely and observe their tactics. It can be hard to notice on the surface, but if you knowingly observe, you will see

This thread could even be an example
Not even done out of mere stupidity but actually a carefully formulated post to tickle the jan-mans in just the right place. Gore and spam gets deleted, but if you make subtle kuso threads that have just the right amount of kuso without going overboard, then the janitors can't outright delete them but have to just let them exist while making the board worse. And if they do delete it, then the poster wins and other goals are achieved.
It's to send a message

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 20:27:45 2021 No.34259753 >>34259233 cuz the mods ARE the holospam when they get power they are the ones that get to make up the rules, not follow what was put in place before them

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 20:28:04 2021 No.34259759 >>34258438 Why does the native population of the board not like anime though? Why do they need to gatekeep anime fans from the anime board?

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 20:34:55 2021 No.34259828
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The mods sure are taking their sweet time "trying to figure out what's best in the long run for both audiences". I also find it a little funny how he thinks that /jp/ is a single entity, as if this place isn't splintered to hell and back with all the subcommunities that sprung up from all the kuso generals.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 20:42:40 2021 No.34259894 >>34252027 >>34259727 >This board sucks, lets burn it down instead of making better threads! Spoken like true shitposters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 20:46:19 2021 No.34259932 File: 39 KB, 374x475, jp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34259894 Perhaps you have forgotten why good threads are unable to stay up as long as they used to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 21:09:00 2021 No.34260154 >>34259932 Because there aren't enough people posting in those threads to keep up with the site's popularity.

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 21:22:45 2021 No.34260272

There are. It's that nobody bothers when there's spam and autosage across the board. If they're worried about board speed, then maybe they shouldn't have been ban happy the past 5 years. Maybe if they weren't constantly getting rid of people, they wouldn't have to grab at anything they can to speed the board up again.
As it was said before. People refuse to post here because of the trash that isn't being removed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 21:48:35 2021 No.34260513 >>34259329 Sometimes you can see holo EN and holo indonesia threads here. How southeast asian and muricans whores are otaku culture?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 23:19:35 2021 No.34261251 >>34259932 Because shitposters are too busy making 100s of falseflagging threads to bump any good ones, leaving only popular generals to survive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 23:26:53 2021 No.34261325 >>34260272 If they really refused to post here, there wouldn't be trash to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 23:33:37 2021 No.34261389 File: 14 KB, 271x239, 1606787326233.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >western VN aren't /jp/ >western vtubers are who i quote

Anonymous Wed Apr 14 23:46:13 2021 No.34261559

>>34256821
It's almost uncanny how similar the two scenarios are frankly. /jp/'s old gatekeeping standards can't really keep up at this rate, there's just too many newfags flooding in. It's a downwards slope - as more newfags keep coming in with no intention of following the board culture, the less people will want to gatekeep because it seems like a fruitless effort and the more newfags will grow more bold because they gradually begin to have like company. Though the worst ones are the fags who pretend to have been here for years misleading other newfags into thinking this retardation has always been the norm. To take matters worse /jp/ was always a slow board, so it didn't really take long for us to be overrun.

Even our mods have given up on us, Hina's bare-anus has been sitting on the catalog for like two days now. I wish I could say we still had a chance to bounce back from this but I think we've gone over the tipping point by now. It's just depressing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 23:52:21 2021 No.34261634 >>34261559 ...And four minutes after this post, they finally delete it. On the off-chance one of you is actually paying attention, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 00:05:40 2021 No.34261783 >>34261634 To be fair, I think I've seen that thread OP several times in the last few days, and the anus is only noticeable if you're looking for it.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 00:21:36 2021 No.34261942

>>34261389
You should know better than giving virtual cancer any attention. I argued as early as the beginning of 2020 that a vtuber board was merited because of their popularity and they completely shat their pants because, according to the some of them, it was impossibly to create a board of a very specific topic (even though we have at least one gorillion video game boards) and that it was too dangerous because irl drama (even though the site has been a boogeyman to normalfags for ages). And even after being proven wrong they've obsessed with posting their trash outside of their containment board. They're simply retarded subhumans and it's better to tell them to fuck off rather than take them seriously.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 00:25:46 2021 No.34261990 File: 6 KB, 778x152, memo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34261389 /jp/. Remember, it was /jp/ who decided western VNs weren't allowed, not the staff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 00:27:11 2021 No.34262000 >>34261634 Someone probably complained in /qa/'s 4chan happening's thread. It's the only thing the mods ever actually look at on 4chan besides their idol generals.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 00:36:32 2021 No.34262113

>>34259727
>>34252027
That's only effective if your specific goal is to get moderation to intervene less on the boards, or make their intervention less relevant. Which I'm not going to say is a bad thing - plenty of anons like the dynamic on /tv/ - but if you're complaining about them not taking action in some way, throwing spanner in their works probably won't do much to help that.

Also, you can send a message, but that really only works when
A. Different people send nearly the exact same message in a way which makes it unambiguously clear.
B. It is seen as a problem for most on the board, not just individual groups pitted against others.
C. It is a problem that can be solved without moderation taking one side and having to antagonize a large number of legitimate posters.
The specific issues of the hololive generals being a logistical clusterfuck on the board, and the concept of Western vtubers, are two such cases.

I think it is more a case of long-time posters being antagonized by changing tastes, trends and series in otaku culture, while being on a site that doesn't have a strong tradition of forcing people to step in line or GTFO if they're not breaking any rules. So those anons are bound to get little satisfaction from moderation, and have to subvert the general dynamic of threads/boards to get some satisfaction.
This is why everything from Kancolle to idol groups to vtubers are in a general, because they generally got denied a discussion if they took it to a regular thread.
This is why OPs on /jp/ are so particular about keeping transient threads on the board for long periods with consistent self-bumps, and why they dislike the increased speed.
And this is why there is so much handwringing over boards explicitly containing these things, because at the end of the day it makes your life a lot easier if the cat is obligated to mop antagonistic threads up for you, and they're currently not.

The design of imageboards is such that if you leave gatekeeping just up to individual posters, you're going to need bots/literal spam to crowd them out, and no matter how contrarian you're going to be, /jp/ is currently higher quality than that, even if it is content you do not personally care for.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 00:51:20 2021 No.34262285

>>34262113
Discontent people should just visibly sage threads they don't like. They're already willing to get banned for off topic or NSFW. Just make an image with the word SAGE on it and post it when you're angrily sageing a thread without mentioning sage in your post. It's not a downvote, but people still would take it as a sign of disapproval, and if you want to gatekeep in any way, you need some sort of sign of disapproval and not just mindless anti-moderation spam.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 02:02:18 2021 No.34262895

>>34262285
>Discontent people should just visibly sage threads they don't like.
There was a reason visible sage was removed, because expressing one's disapproval of someone else's topic doesn't contribute anything positive, nor does it stop someone who has thick enough skin or are too numerous to disrupt. All it does it is try and whittle down taller poppies to keep your poppies higher up, which is inherently antagonistic and a negative contribution.

People who are discontent that topical content they don't care for has gained a foothold on the board relative to content they care for are dealing with an intentional limitation of futaba-style imageboards. It is not a bug, and attempting to rectify it as if it were one ossifies a board and discourages discussion. I feel like those anons would do better on infinitechan-style boards, where you can make your own space (I remember /2hu/ and /fumo/ on old 8ch), but the general unreliability of those sites and the general resistance to move away from /jp/ makes that a pretty hard sell. The same discontented anons who want X and Y content contained off of /jp/ have no real desire to use something like /e/ or /h/ for lewd imagedumps, even if it would give them more freedom to post and more breathing space, because they want to use /jp/ as a one-stop board (not that I personally care one way or the other). While I can empathize, they're really using imageboards in a way which runs contrary to their general flow, and are bound to be unsatisfied.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 02:10:03 2021 No.34262955
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What is there to complain about. If you're using the proper filters (you are, right?) then you don't see anything and the board still moves at an acceptable pace.

>>34262895
I remember using sage outside of /jp/ would almost always derail a thread. By 2012 only /jp/ used sage and like 40% of posts were (polite) sages.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 02:13:59 2021 No.34262979 >>34262955 Keep filtering shit and you'll end up like the guy with 148 filtered threads.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 02:19:46 2021 No.34263018

>>34262955
>I remember using sage outside of /jp/ would almost always derail a thread. By 2012 only /jp/ used sage and like 40% of posts were (polite) sages.
Yup, and Krautchan-derivatives and other imageboards also have a culture of polite sage. /jp/ (and some of the other weeb boards) was the odd-one out on 4chan in this case, however.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 02:22:39 2021 No.34263037

>>34262979
Which is a problem for that individual anon, rather than the anons in those 148 threads.
Actually, I don't even think that's a problem unless they think the board should bend to their personal tastes, rather than an agglomeration of anons who visit the board.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 02:24:51 2021 No.34263058 File: 12 KB, 769x113, 2021-04-15_09-24.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How old is this shit?

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 03:00:43 2021 No.34263292

>>34263058
It was on /a/ well over a decade ago, and was probably genuine.
Pretty sure it's stuck around as copypasta because while each point made is based in reality, each one hits on points that your typical escapist japanophile/weeb is probably aware of, but either doesn't apply to them and couldn't care less, or don't consider it a problem. It's not wrong, just utterly tonally dissonant.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 03:27:48 2021 No.34263446 >>34261990 so why can't we decide that vtubers aren't /jp/ but the mods do?

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 04:02:41 2021 No.34263689

>>34262895
>because expressing one's disapproval of someone else's topic doesn't contribute anything positive
There is nothing wrong with expressing disapproval, nor with not contributing anything positive to a thread. If you do not express disapproval then you can not show anyone that something is frowned upon. If you don't call out frogposters, they will think it is okay to post frogs, for example. There's nothing wrong with being antagonistic and there's nothing wrong with discouraging discussions that don't belong.

>>34262955
While extreme, derailing a thread is better than spamming it with gore or CP or dubs or whatever just because you don't like it.

>>34262979
This. There's like one visible thread when I come to /jp/ at times.

>>34263037
>Which is a problem for that individual anon, rather than the anons in those 148 threads.
Just wait until something you do not like becomes popular and wipes out all other discussion.

>>34263058
Very. I think it's from someone's blog. At the least, it was originally sincere like >>34263292 said.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 04:46:35 2021 No.34264043 >>34263689 >This. There's like one visible thread when I come to /jp/ at times. Just what are your filters exactly?

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 04:48:57 2021 No.34264067

>>34263689
>If you don't call out frogposters, they will think it is okay to post frogs, for example.
I wish, I really do, but that only affects people who actually care or want to avoid not having their comment taken seriously, which is hardly universal and maybe intentionally invoked. It's more that on the weeb boards it's treated as off-topic, and people apparently give enough fucks to report it, and the post/image get removed. So if they actually care about people seeing their post, they'll find something else to use. Other reaction images get similar treatment depending on the thread.
>>/jp/?ghost=yes&search_op=all&search_int=dontcare&search_res=post&task=search2&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_text=frogposter&search_del=dontcare&offset=0

>Just wait until something you do not like becomes popular and wipes out all other discussion.
That's happened plenty of times, I've been here at least since 2011. My most frequented board was once /g/, actually, but I stopped browsing /g/ a long time ago precisely because of that. However, that's totally expected from a website which operates with ephermerality in mind. Even with things like the archives, generals, board culture, etc., the userbase of the site and the popular themes/topics of boards have little inherent rigidity to them. To expect your comfortable space on the site to remain in perpetuity and be validated by other anons is an unwarranted expectation.
Probably not what you want to hear, but my personal feelings and your personal feelings are just one of many, many actors determining the culture of the board. And if they collectively leave us behind, that IS fair.

>>34263446
>but the mods do
They clearly didn't, just that completely Western vtubers are off-topic yeah yeah HoloEN I know that's exactly the straw that broke the camels back. Not that anyone is happy about them not making a unilateral call either. They just left it up to anons to go with the flow. Anons who don't think vtubers are /jp/ can decide that themselves, like a lot of anons this thread do, but that holds little weight if they aren't the vast majority.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 06:28:01 2021 No.34264791 >>34260513 Why are you asking me? I'm a Kenzoku.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 06:49:46 2021 No.34264963 why does this thread have more than ten replies

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 06:54:43 2021 No.34265018

>>34259233
>when /jp/ was created every single poster of touhou in /a/ should leave or be banned, but they don't apply the same with holospam now
no mod from that era is still here
they just go and ban someone for saying that this website “isn't an anime website” once a month, while actually letting all the otaku topics spoil on the shelf.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 08:31:44 2021 No.34266536
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>>34264043
In making this, I noticed that sakamichi has switched, or maybe always had a tripcode. Do I have to put in the whole name and tripcode to filter by tripcode or would filter name work?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 08:32:46 2021 No.34266554 >>34264963 It didn't get deleted for being uncalled for catchphrases/copypasta, didn't get deleted for being full of spam and copypasta, so now it's the meta thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 08:41:31 2021 No.34266700 >>34264067 >I've been here at least since 2011 So you came during the worst era of /jp/, when it was completely usable from spam, and missed out on the actually good /jp/? Don't tell me you're unironically nostalgic for 2011 shitpost /jp/.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 11:05:12 2021 No.34268805

>>34266700
That's all you've got to say about that post?
Commenting on nothing else but the one tidbit that gives you an in to put me in a pecking order? Sure put me in that order, because it doesn't take away from anything else in that post. I'm just disappointed that you couldn't even be bothered to make an affirmation or rebuttal on anything else in that post, but felt compelled to judge that.

If it is not apparent from the context, the point of saying I was here in 2011 (or give or take a year, or just say "a decade") is to say I have had plenty of time to experience things I've enjoyed coming and going, and I am not naive to the feelings that produces. It is not to say I am inherently a good or bad poster, in the same way that being around since the board's creation does not make someone an inherently good or bad poster. Those feelings result from change over time, and if a decade isn't enough, I doubt another five years would be much different. This doesn't just apply to /jp/, but online communities as a whole (with different relative speeds of change of course).

I doubt we have utterly incomparable experiences in the comings and goings of online spaces, but rather that we respond to those experiences fundamentally differently.
Of course I am not happy when something I like no longer gets traction here. But most of the time I can't see these changes as being faults to be prevented, but an inevitable occurrence of life that will cause one great, unwarranted suffering if they can not find means to cope with it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 11:07:50 2021 No.34268835 Another thread lost to /jp/sies sperging out over meta stuff. It will never end.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 11:25:17 2021 No.34269058 >>34268805 I merely meant that wait until the next big thing floods /jp/ and you will be whining about it too. You are tying to downplay that with a whole lot of hot air. It's not worth replying more than what I gave you before.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 11:28:32 2021 No.34269109 >>34264791 Good taste.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 11:30:13 2021 No.34269141

>>34269058
Honestly I used to be much hand-wringing over it a few years ago, particularly once Vocaloid and Touhou were no longer on an upward scale of hype, and when I first started noticing the increasing number of idol generals.
I've come to accept that if I get no interest or entertainment out of this board any longer, it is more me than everyone else who is actually using it, and I need to seek out something else.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 11:33:31 2021 No.34269190 >>34268835 oh no, what a shame we lost this high quality thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 11:35:07 2021 No.34269222 >>34268835 Oh no, not the off-topic thread that breaks multiple rules that hasn't been deleted for some reason!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 11:43:59 2021 No.34269359 /jp/ is really slow though, if you discount the generals (as you should) you look at the first page, with all your 4chan extensions that hide all the generals, and it would take ten minutes for a new post to reach the first page. What a Ghost Town!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 11:48:07 2021 No.34269433 I mean I don't have anything against /jp/ being a ghost town. But can we at least be a ghost town in peace? Can we at least use this board like an image board, not having to share it with some weird chatrooms that are being opened every few hours?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 12:01:22 2021 No.34269645 >>34269433 See >>34262895 Make generals and go archive-diving.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 12:07:32 2021 No.34269726

>>34269645
Nah, I would rather uphold the status quo.
It would be better if the mods forbade generals, and deleted /jp/ and split the board into 10 boards.
You mention Futaba style limitations, I invite you to go look at Futaba and see how different their small boards are from ours.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 12:11:07 2021 No.34269766

>>34269726
Actually he's not >>34269726 , I am.
>It would be better if the mods forbade generals, and deleted /jp/ and split the board into 10 boards.
I don't think deleting /jp/ would do much good in promoting content, but I agree with creating more specific boards, which is not unlike the new /v/-theme boards.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 12:14:38 2021 No.34269818 >>34269766 Creating specific boards would solve 90% of all problems present here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 12:34:29 2021 No.34270093 >>34269190 >>34269222 Whether or not the thread is high quality or rule breaking is irrelevant. Stop strawmanning you spergs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 12:35:43 2021 No.34270112 >>34269818 Maybe the mods should move all the vtuber stuff to the vtuber board but that's too hard for them haha

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 12:48:38 2021 No.34270284 >>34270112 Maybe the mods should move all the video game stuff to the video game board but that's too hard for them haha

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 12:50:04 2021 No.34270303 >>34270284 Touhou belongs here. You should read the rules like the banners tell you to.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 12:55:50 2021 No.34270388

>>34269766
/jp/ does well promoting content, but it is just limited by how the Japanese culture boards are structured.
For the touhou threads, they are limited by the fact that threads last too long (although I am not too sure on this point), threads have to be dumbed down to fit inside "the balance of /jp/", the board having too many threads which oversaturates the entire board. But overall, the board is pretty good from that perspective as it stands right now. There are plenty of good enjoyable threads. But if you compare this board to Touhou-Ura, you can see how much different things could be if 4chan didn't part way from Futaba's structural and mechanical design so much.
As for the VN threads, I don't go there as often because I am not that much of a VN addict. But as for the discussion culture, it seems that it in some way benefits from being contained in one thread. But as for the other non-general VN threads, they usually struggle to survive. Although the recent surge of popularity of certain VN franchises has led to these threads having some traction.
As for the idols, 3D or 2D, I am not into that at all so I can't really judge it. In the past, before the creation of /vt/, I proposed idols to be seperated into their own board (which would include the idols of hololive), while /jp/ would become a more doujin-culture oriented board. But it is not really up to me to decide how the idol community should be split up, let that community and the staff decide it among themselves‌.
As for the Vtubers, they have an entire board to themselves, so everything should by all means be sufficient for them. Again, as for how that community should be split up, it is for them and the staff to decide it. I can only say that as long /jp/ is a board that houses content for things that could be split up into 10 different boards, there is no need for these extra generals to stay here. That however could change depending on how we structure the Japanese culture boards, then having /jp/ as a broader Otaku Culture board can be justified. You can only say that /jp/ is a broad discussion space, if the topics of /jp/ do have other not-so-broad boards for more specific discussion.
All the other topics suffer probably the most. Let us remember the Aniki jubilee thread that got turned into a meta thread a few months ago.

Splitting up /jp/ into many smaller boards can certainly be justified, especially since the website is supposed to be Japanese-culture oriented.
Sorry mods, but putting up a public ban message when someone insults anime is not sufficient in keeping up with that image, or that vision moot had in 2003. Do you ever see that image that describes how this website isn't a “weeb website” because it only has a few Japanese culture boards? Again, I remember that image being publically banned once as well. But the structure of this site speaks more than the action of a public ban.
You had the opportunity to keep this website japanese-culture-oriented (or at least a place where people can sufficiently discuss about japanese topics), but you decided to put all the japanese-culture contents into one trash-heap because it made /a/ look shitty and call it a day, and didn't change one thing about it until /a/ became boring for you and you wanted a new toy to play with.
We have proposed many solutions over the years, and I can say that many of these ideas are just stupid and it would be actually better to keep things with how the status quo is. But even the most uninformed meta-shitpost made 9 years ago by a teenager has some truth in it. And then we can even keep /jp/ around as a cool main board where everyone can meet up without problems! Just like what /b/ was supposed to be at the beginning! (of course, the hate would still be there, but there would be no more need for meta-discussion, the platform would be a success from a structural standpoint)

Sorry if this is too much of a ramble, but remember that whatever you do, deleting /jp/ and putting that community inside /vg/ is an extremely retarded idea and anyone who supports it should be perma-banned forever. Keeping it as it is would be a thousand times more preferable to that (although 0 times a thousand is still zero). But should you however decide to make a seperate Touhou board without the need of “congestion”, which you should have made ten years ago, remember to make it a red board! (or the other way around, whatever)

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 12:57:58 2021 No.34270410 >>34270284 lol no u, ya got him good kid

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:02:08 2021 No.34270468 >>34270388 >make a red board you're an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:04:18 2021 No.34270500 >>34270303 There are banners telling you to read the rules? Didn't they remove those years ago?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:06:33 2021 No.34270541 >>34270468 no more repression

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:06:42 2021 No.34270543 >>34270303 >Touhou belongs here. It's a dead video game series that gets spammed, ruining the quality of /jp/. Complain about Vtubers when that's been addressed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:08:01 2021 No.34270567 >>34270543 >ruining the quality of /jp/ it hasn't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:09:59 2021 No.34270596 >>34270543 Touhou doesn't get spammed though It's just that everything else doesn't get threads

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:14:04 2021 No.34270660 >>34270596 >Hololive is being spammed >Touhou isn't Choose one.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:14:52 2021 No.34270669 >>34270660 I choose the latter, in that case.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:15:28 2021 No.34270674 >>34270660 Touhou was here long before them and things are relatively the same thread count wise.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:15:58 2021 No.34270684 >>34270093 >rule breaking is irrelevant no, fuck off

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>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:19:29 2021 No.34270746 >>34270728 well thank god he's gone

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>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:19:39 2021 No.34270750 >>34270728 tl;dr, moot shoved shit here and didn't think twice about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:20:55 2021 No.34270774 File: 219 KB, 700x394, 1381823264884.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34270746 >>34270750

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:29:44 2021 No.34270871 >>34270303 >>34270500 Yeah, they got rid of the meido banner saying to read the rules years ago because people might actually expect the mods to do something if they knew the rules

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:30:46 2021 No.34270885 >>34270388 >>34270468 >>34270541 why not makes a second red /jp/

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:32:15 2021 No.34270907 >>34270774 he didn't say that, did he?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:33:35 2021 No.34270927 >>34270907 he did.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:33:39 2021 No.34270928

>>34270885
I'm just thinking make /jp/ red and a nijiura board for all the people that still have stockholm syndrom over it and create a few more boards that a japanese-oriented website would have e.g. /vn/, /fig/, /touhou/ or whatever stupid flavor of the month board (/vt/) people request.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:34:48 2021 No.34270944 >>34270543 how is it a dead series when the next installment is coming out in literally less than a month, dude? trend hopping has dulled your brain.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:38:53 2021 No.34271004 >>34270944 Fair. Not dead, but dying a painfully slow death.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:52:54 2021 No.34271203 >>34271004 No it's not. You are wrong

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 13:54:25 2021 No.34271218 File: 306 KB, 1360x682, 1393655809298.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34270907

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 14:01:39 2021 No.34271314 File: 916 KB, 502x3379, Me on the Left.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 14:03:27 2021 No.34271346 >>34271314 typical

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 14:31:12 2021 No.34271751 >>34270388 >that vision moot had in 2003 I wonder what happened between 2003 and 2008 that made him despise everything non-anime. He would have made some proper boards and not just a Jap/trash/ if he had stuck to the original vision.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 14:36:02 2021 No.34271831 >>34270541 it would only benefit retards that have nothing to discuss. Everything would be a porn dump because said idiots know they won't be banned every time they post.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 14:39:24 2021 No.34271890 >>34270907 see for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaLNwPIXh9A

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 14:59:20 2021 No.34272167

>>34271751
>I wonder what happened between 2003 and 2008 that made him despise everything non-anime.
Unironically went from a teen to a young adult and acquired different tastes and mentalities. I bet being the admin of 4chan after 2005-2006 would do plenty to temper his outlook on things, one way or another.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 15:08:27 2021 No.34272292 >>34271890 wow, moot said seethe before it was cool

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 15:57:01 2021 No.34272838 File: 236 KB, 412x621, 90e.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34272292 He is the meme master after all

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 16:42:53 2021 No.34273419 Reminder that /jp/ is dying for real this time and it is never coming back >>/jp/reports/image-reposts Go there and observe as years of culture is erased before your eyes!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 16:44:17 2021 No.34273439 >>34269818 >Creating specific boards would solve 90% of all problems present here. Like with /vg/ and all the new video game boards?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 16:46:30 2021 No.34273456 >>34273419 Haha, that's hilarious and also absolutely revolting

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 16:58:45 2021 No.34273581 >>34273439 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 17:01:35 2021 No.34273606 File: 48 KB, 243x266, 1520124960615.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34273419

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 17:04:16 2021 No.34273640 >>34207239 You suck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 17:13:45 2021 No.34273747 >>34273419 Oh God.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 17:30:57 2021 No.34273905 >>34273419 I hate this

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 17:40:09 2021 No.34273983 >>34224186 Buddy, you are an arrogant loser and these things never happened, japan is a society based on shame and they are all the same. Hell.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 17:42:56 2021 No.34274013 >>34273419 Vtubers everywhere

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 18:00:11 2021 No.34274173 [SPOILER]

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>>34273439
>Like with /vg/ and all the new video game boards?
One of these things is not like the other.
The new v-boards are so (relatively) successful at discussing their topical genres that meta dramafags have practically already forgotten they exist. /vr/ more or less falls into that as well. You get a jannies/mods who is familiar with the topic, and the slower post rate and more niche topic encourages threads that often wouldn't get a chance to breathe on /v/.
On the other hand, /vg/ has the whole variety of (actually on-topic) topics as /v/, but each thread is segregated from one another and operates independent of a unifying theme beyond thread style. It is effectively a board of sub-boards, and is the epitome of chatroom/public-discord style posting on this site.

Ironically, /jp/ is probably the closest board to /vg/ in mentality, given the willingness of people to make generals to have their space on the board away from pic-related derailment, and the obsessiveness of board regulars regarding threads they don't even participate in due to them taking up space and speeding things up.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 18:11:22 2021 No.34274255
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I wish the mods would say something. Anything. Are they still looking for a long term solution? Have they already implemented said solution? Do they just not give a shit? Nobody knows.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 18:16:58 2021 No.34274306 >>34274173 >/vr/ Why is the shmup thread so bad?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 18:18:47 2021 No.34274322 >>34274255 Why do the mods get to decide? Why does it feel like we don't have an admin? Who is at the wheel of this sinking ship? Is the seat vacant after all?

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 18:55:48 2021 No.34274760

>>34274255
Pretty sure /vt/ is the long-term solution, the problem it addressed being:
>Pressure release on /jp/, both in regards to the vtuber generals and everything else competing with them
>Answering the question of where absolutely non-Japanese vtubers go
My guess is that the mods have no interest forcing a decision upon anons as a whole, which would just be intentionally rejected and disparaged the stricter it is, and just let them establish the boundaries of the two boards as time goes by, kind of like how university campuses don't lay down sidewalks until they see where people go.
I don't think this a bad policy on a site where subjective rules are lightly enforced and plenty of bullshit is tolerated. But it doesn't give anyone who wants to move X anons to Y place much satisfaction. Pretty sure people here want some sort of closure, and would prefer another /mlp/ being made, which was only done once for a reason, but actually reminds me of /jp/ in many autistic ways.

>>34274322
>Why does it feel like we don't have an admin?
Pretty obvious, no?
Hiroyuki, while shrewd enough to know how to keep anonymous communities afloat, has no particular connection with 4chan like moot had. The avalanche of gaffes he made in those /qa/ sessions were proof enough that his sense of administration on 2ch was of a much different nature than how moot and co had operated. Also, like moot in his later years, Hiro already has other new/successful ventures to attend to. He's unironically a popular streamer and self-help author among other things IIRC. It probably is better for most anons, not just in /jp/, that he doesn't try to treat 4chan like 2channel, though a bit more involvement in English would probably make people feel like there's a face to the site.
Also, I don't think even mods do that much deciding, especially relative to other communities. At the end of the day, the amalgamation of anons set whatever standards a board generally has beyond explicit board rules, which are usually minimal anyway. Again, people don't like to hear that because it gives little closure, the if that isn't part of the secret sauce of 4chan I don't know what is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 19:03:45 2021 No.34274832 >>34274760 I really wonder if Hiro is just the name on the server bills but is really just a proxy for someone or something else. Seems like the type that would do that, there's no money in 4chan after all and this isn't a charity.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 19:49:45 2021 No.34275261 >>34270468 Personally I think green would be a better color but you don't have to be an ass about it

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 19:51:46 2021 No.34275280

>>34207239
>The people treat gaijin like shit. Even the ones who try to be nice come across as condescending and rude by American standards. There are also a large number of Japanese men who think gaijin women are sluts and that they can get you to open your legs at the drop of a hat. Fuckers.
based.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 19:56:02 2021 No.34275331

>>34274760
>>34274832
I don't have the post on hand but I remember hearing that Hiro mentioned in /qa/ the decision to make /vt/ was the mods' idea.
>At the end of the day, the amalgamation of anons set whatever standards a board generally has beyond explicit board rules
I don't disagree with you, but I wouldn't undersell the importance of mods either. Even if they don't interact with us, they ultimately decide what goes and what doesn't which can drastically steer a board in a different direction depending on who's in charge. Bear in mind all of this drama is the consequence of a mod(s?) deciding individual virtual youtuber threads on /jp/ were okay.

I am relatively curious about the chewing order of our mods though. Like the other anon said, Hiro seems like the type to delegate somebody to handle most of his responsibilities and I think he even did this with 2ch as well. One thing's for sure is that whatever happened back in December killed /jp/'s old mod, they were always on point with quality control most of the time and deleted stuff most mods on other boards wouldn't be bothered to.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 19:57:37 2021 No.34275344 >>34273419 holy based

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 20:01:09 2021 No.34275391

>>34274832
>I really wonder if Hiro is just the name on the server bills but is really just a proxy for someone or something else. Seems like the type that would do that,
He's known for the exact opposite, and he later gave 2channel ownership over to a series of foreign shell companies to avoid legal issues in Japan, while being implicitly in control. This later screwed him over when Jim Watkins took full control the 2ch.net domain registration, which had no longer belonged to Hiro himself but a proxy company (Packet Monster inc), preventing recovery through ICANN or other means.

>there's no money in 4chan after all and this isn't a charity.
I imagine there is some money in 4chan as it is, probably just not enough for a company building and staff. On the technical side, it's requirements aren't dissimilar to other sites which primarily host text and some/light multimedia uploads, like twitter, reddit, imgur, etc. And unlike the others, 4chan:
- can probably run on a couple of servers in a datacenter
- has lower bandwidth requirements
- has much less storage costs due to transient uploads
- has low/no redundancy requirements
- doesn't need cloud/scaling requirements
- doesn't need many developers, if any constantly paid one at all. Hell, Hiro could probably be the entire operations for the site, with volunteers just checking to see that it's up and following a simple runbook if not
So 4chan probably costs much less than any larger community site to run overtime, with much less upgrades required. Keep in mind something like https://catbox.moe/ , which is anon's 10MB-200MB free file host of choice, only costs $1000/month to run.

While moot seems to have went into some decent debt a few times keeping the site afloat, that still indicates that the site was probably close to covering its hosting, and I assume Hiro is more willing to use less scrupulous hosting providers, is willing to sell data to third parties, etc. Hiro indicated 4chan could run out of money in 2016 or so, but it seems like they resolved that through one means or another.

My theory is that Hiro is the legitimate owner, but doesn't make much of his income from the site. Instead that goes to hosting, and most of the rest to a few (1-4) people who do the work of keeping the site legally hosted and accessible, which could well be a full-time job. But this is probably OK for Hiro, since the continued cultural/online impact of 4chan is both convenient publicity for himself, and could serve as a bargaining chip for something in the future.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 20:02:52 2021 No.34275413

>>34275331
>I don't disagree with you, but I wouldn't undersell the importance of mods either. Even if they don't interact with us, they ultimately decide what goes and what doesn't which can drastically steer a board in a different direction depending on who's in charge.
Speaking of, can we have a second /vp/? The current one is run by mods who take down anything that isn't inter-gen shitflinging, pedophilia, zoophilia, or compfaggotry.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 20:04:15 2021 No.34275428

>>34275331
>they were always on point with quality control most of the time and deleted stuff most mods on other boards wouldn't be bothered to.
Examples? Besides the vtuber character threads being allowed outside generals now, I didn't notice much else change. Flanfly was missed a day or two, I guess.

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>>34274760
>Pretty sure people here want some sort of closure, and would prefer another /mlp/ being made
I was hoping they would go the /v/ route and make a bunch of spinoffs while still keeping the main board a place where people can continue posting whatever otaku stuff they want. It would give people who want to discuss certain niches a place to post without fear of getting archived in mere hours, and the mods would still have a place to dump whatever Japanese trash they don't want on other boards. The new spinoff boards don't have to be as focused as the /v/ ones. I think that a general doujin board would work just fine. It would be dominated by Touhou, true, but 2hu has reclined hard, so it would still be possible to comfortably discuss other series as doujin works as well.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 20:11:36 2021 No.34275526
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>>34274760
>Pretty sure people here want some sort of closure, and would prefer another /mlp/ being made
I was hoping they would go the /v/ route and make a bunch of spinoffs while still keeping the main board a place where people can continue posting whatever otaku stuff they want. It would give people who want to discuss certain niches a place to post without fear of getting archived in mere hours, and the mods would still have a place to dump whatever Japanese trash they don't want on other boards. The new spinoff boards don't have to be as focused as the /v/ ones. I think that a general doujin board would work just fine. It would be dominated by Touhou, true, but 2hu has reclined hard, so it would still be possible to comfortably discuss other doujin works as well.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 20:14:11 2021 No.34275558

>>34275391
>Hiro indicated 4chan could run out of money in 2016 or so, but it seems like they resolved that through one means or another.
This would be a great mystery to have resolved. I was trying to imply something more sinister in my original post. Why make nothing or close to nothing, when you can make good money by giving American three letter agencies access and moderator positions. I'm not sure why this possibly seems ridiculous to a lot of anons though, at the very least a moderator could make money this way instead of doing it for free.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 20:28:21 2021 No.34275736

>>34275558
>I'm not sure why this possibly seems ridiculous to a lot of anons though
It is ridiculous.Why would "three letter agencies" need to buy access to a free site anyone can look at or post on? They infiltrate pedo rings, they could infiltrate the moderator/janitor team and if there was something about this site they wanted, they would just seize it.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 20:47:37 2021 No.34276035

>>34275736
You're asking why they would want admin access, or at the very least mod access, with the ability to see IP and hostname of every post on /pol/? To be able to manipulate what is permissible and not? To easily astroturf here like they are able to do on Twitter? 4chan is never going away same as Twitter, it's healthy to wonder why two social media giants are able to continually operate at a loss with no downtime or begging. Intel cyber budget is huge now and getting bigger, they do do things.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 20:51:23 2021 No.34276097 >>34275526 No one at all talks about doujin though. And when they do, it's only translated trash that gets onto Steam. It'd just be a weeb /v/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 20:53:08 2021 No.34276115 >>34276035 No I'm asking why they would purchase it and not just seize it outright or infiltrate it. There's no reason for them to spend money on this site. 4chan can't beg because people kept shutting down its begging accounts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 21:04:01 2021 No.34276280 >>34276115 Really, it makes no difference. They're funded by the govt. They could easily throw $10M at this and call it a day.

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 21:05:51 2021 No.34276325

>>34276115
They always recruit and pay people, intel orgs behave more like businesses. Why seize it and have Hiro, in the comfort of his far off foreign country which does not respect the extradition treaty, mouthing off about how his site was stolen again? No one would use 4chan. Plus he's a shady guy who is looking to make money. He doesn't post here or acknowledge us, so being the admin of 4chan is a really expensive hobby for him that he clearly doesn't even care about participating in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 21:18:27 2021 No.34276527 >>34271004 Still get's plenty of new content a day, my man. Just because something is no longer an internet wide phenomenon doesn't mean it's "dying". You gotta lay off the fads.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 21:20:54 2021 No.34276559 File: 30 KB, 1445x1084, The Evidence.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] We haven't even peaked

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 21:30:40 2021 No.34276706

>>34276325
>Why seize it and have Hiro, in the comfort of his far off foreign country which does not respect the extradition treaty, mouthing off about how his site was stolen again? No one would use 4chan.
5channel is still the most popular BBS in Japan despite him doing just that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 22:02:26 2021 No.34277202 Truly virtual cancer and e celeb streamer bullshit has the potential of ruin the internet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 16 03:08:30 2021 No.34279855 >>34270543 >It's a dead video game series that gets spammed, ruining the quality of /jp/. >>34279811 >>34279815 >>34279814 You are talking out of your ass.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 16 03:27:05 2021 No.34280026 >>34207239 Wow, I need to move to Japan

Anonymous Fri Apr 16 07:47:07 2021 No.34282107
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>>34241936
I blame the idol general threads, those should have been banned years ago and enabled the vtuber threads in sense. Now we have idol and vtuber general threads pushing all the slower threads off the board.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 16 08:21:33 2021 No.34282483 >>34282107 Vtubers still would've wound up here. They'd be pushed off /a/ and dominate /v/ (might be a good thing).

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 16 08:53:13 2021 No.34282884 File: 88 KB, 1300x975, 5df773cefd9db21a1c58b0c4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34207239

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>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 16 12:32:33 2021 No.34286061 >>34218120 my nippa

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 16 12:33:37 2021 No.34286072 >>34224098 eyyy mon

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 16 14:15:40 2021 No.34287298 >>34282107 This I will never understand why idolshit doesn't just stay in /mu/ like kpopshit

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 16 15:53:15 2021 No.34288865 >>34275261 my bad then.

Anonymous Fri Apr 16 19:12:03 2021 No.34291504

>>34274760
My only actual issue with the /vt/ content still being forced in here is how they're still allowed to have so many generals. This board is already saturated enough as it is, so why would you think that letting 10 or so generals still permanently eat away at the thread limit despite them having an entire board dedicated solely to them would be a good idea? Some twisted notion of tradition, maybe? I don't even mind the occasional single vtuber threads that a lost soul makes every so often because they always die quickly enough due to lack of interest unless some spiteful fuck keeps necrobumping them, but at the very least the remaining generals need to go.
And allow me to express once again how disappointed I am in how the moderation is dealing with this topic. Three months later, the complete lack of action or response at all only tells me that they might have ulterior motives behind all of this.

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