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[Anonymous No.]

If i were a eleven,

If I were a university student,


If i were studying about English,

If i had a question about English preposition,

Would you answer my questions?

[Anonymous No.]

Sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273698
Not if you asked with that attitude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273703

Oh, sorry if my first English in post was bad.

>>3273702
Thank you!

[11 No.]

my first English in post

→English in my first post

[Anonymous No.]

I am always happy to help Japanese people out.

If they are not Japanese then hell no.

[11 No.]

some months ago, i asked about English preposition IN.

And this time, I want to ask about English preposition BY.

[Anonymous No.]

If I were an eleven,
If I were a university student,
If I were studying about English,
If I had a question about an English preposition,
Would you answer my questions?

Corrected for great justice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273698
To start off.

"If I were an eleven"
"If I were an university student"

"If I were studying English"

Remember to use capital I, and "an" instead of "a" before vocals

[Anonymous No.]

I am 11 and what is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273759
>"an" instead of "a" before vocals
... except when the following word is pronounced in a certain way, such as "university" is. "a university student" is correct.

[Anonymous No.]

Of course we would help you!

Of course we expect you to stay and translate japanese stuff for us!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273759
the word university starts with a consonant [y] sound so it would sound awkward to a native English speaker to use an before university. a university sounds more natural.

[11 No.]

>>3273739

Thank you!

>>3273759
Sorry, it's too simple mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

We wouldn't understand your question, so probably no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273759 vocals
Yeah, you better watch them vocals.

[11 No.]

>>3273773

I'll be delighted to do it if you don't care about my poor English skill!

And if you have any questions, please ask me!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273776
lol, I forgot that. I should go to sleep, too tierd.

It can also be used the other way around. i.e if it sounds like a vocal, like hour becomes "an hour" because it is pronounced like a vocal at the start, but written differently.

[Anonymous No.]

>ITT: we learn proper English

Finally.

[Anonymous No.]

>If i were a eleven,
I takes a capital. We were (plural). I was (singular). If I was eleven. When talking about your own age, you don't use an article.

>If I were a university student,
Sentences end with a full stop. If I was(singular) a university student.

>If i were studying about English,
I is always used with a capital letter. "About" would indicate place here, studying around, as if you were looking around the bottom of a tree. If I was studying English.


>If i had a question about English preposition,
If I had a question about an English preposition.
If I have questions about English prepositions.
If I had a question about English's prepositions.
If I had a question about the prepositions in English.

>Would you answer my questions?
No.
(Irony is an important part of English.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273821
> If I was(singular)
lrn2subjunctive

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273821
>If I was eleven
I don't think that's what he meant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273821
> When talking about your own age, you don't use an article.
I doubt this is what he meant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273821
>If i were a eleven,
>I takes a capital. We were (plural). I was (singular). If I was eleven. When talking about your own age, you don't use an article.

You don't watch much anime do you?

[Slowbro No.]

>>3273821
Eleven as in Code Geass eleven, dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273830
Yes, complex tense constructions are complex. Stick to the simple rules first before we get into "Had I known then what I was to learn today I would be acting differently now."

[11 No.]

Sorry!

I meant 11 = Japanese.

Is that old?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273853
Everyone except >>3273821 knows what 11 means.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh shit, is it the text moe guy?

What was the question then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273849
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjunctive#Future_subjunctive

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273821
>>(Irony is an important part of English.)
I lawld because it is true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273832
>>3273836
>>3273837
>>3273842
>>3273860
...so many people, so little sense of humour...

[11 No.]

Now e are trying to generalize meanings of preposition. But we have somany problems.

I learned that basic concept of By is "near" at least in spatial meaning, but other than spatial meaning, there are alot of meanings.

for instance, like in the sentence

Their wages were increased by 12%.

She had promised to be back by five o'clock.

We work by night and sleep by day.

[11 No.]

So we are thinking the way to generalize these meanings.

[Anonymous No.]

By is tricky because it has a lot of uses. It's one of those prepositions that really does a lot of work in English.

For instance, it can be used to express being next to something: "I was standing by the tree.

Or it can be used to express movement past something: "I walked by the tree"

It can also by used for when speaking about units of measurements: "They are paid by the hour" or "The length of the meeting was increased by several minutes"

It can also be used in a variety of was to express the means of doing something: "He sent instructions by email" or "I did the work by myself"

It can also sometimes be used to indicate the cause of something: "I was delayed by a phone call" and "I was bitten by a snake"

It can even be used to express something occurring before a specified time: "I want the report done by Friday" or "I was asleep by 10:30"

[11 No.]

But we can't generalize these meanings.

So, I'll ask you a ridiculous question, what kind of image about By do you have?

[11 No.]

>>3273940

Yeah,

I think many of the spatial meaning of BY include the meaning of BY like

I was standing by the tree.
=I was standing near the tree.

I walked by the tree.
=I walked past near the tree.

But in the abstruct meaning...

[Anonymous No.]

>Now e are trying to generalize meanings of preposition. But we have somany problems.
Now I am trying to generalise the meanings of prepositions. However, I have so many problems with this. [BUT never begins a sentence in written English, in spoken its okay colloquial]

>I learned that basic concept of By is "near" at least in spatial meaning, but other than spatial meaning, there are alot of meanings.
I learnt that the basic concept of "by" is "near" at least in spatial meanings, but other than the spatial meanings, there are a lot of meanings.

>Their wages were increased by 12%.

By here is additional. So $100 + 12%.
Other options "Increased to 12%" before the wages were 10%, but now they are 12%.
"Increased from 12%" they were 12% now they are 14%.

She had promised to be back by five o'clock. At or before 5 she'll be back

At five o'clock she'll be back. She'll be back at exactly five.

She promised to be back before 5. Only before five.

She promised to be back after 5. Only after five.

She promised to be back around 5. Any time approximately about five. Say +/- 15 minutes.

>We work by night and sleep by day.
At night we work, during the day we sleep.

There's a sense of adjacency in "by", but sometimes its physical, sometimes its adjacent up to (as in back by 5).

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273966
Sounds about right to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273977
It's fine to begin sentences with but in informal written things too.

[11 No.]

>>3273977

I know "by" also has a meaning like "at", and that's confusing us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273966
Saying I walked past near the tree is awkward.

Either say I walked past the tree or I walked near the tree.

[11 No.]

>>3274016

Oh, I see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3273985
But you end up looking like a fucking idiot. And most English speaking children get over that behaviour rapidly. Or they end up looking like uneducated demanding brats.

Beginning a sentence with those joining words is depreciated. Because they imply a direct connection to a proceeding clause. BUT OR AND BECAUSE, avoid starting sentences like this in writing.

Use short sentences, but, when making comparisons use clear bridging words between clauses. However, it is acceptable to use however to start sentences. I don't know why. It is probably acceptable because "however" reflects and compares to entire paragraphs of vagueness, whereas "but" refutes the immediately previous clause.

"You're a slut" "But I'm cute."
"...and thus ends the fiscal year in the black." "However, all our industries are out of date or producing the wrong goods."

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274027
The word you wanted was "deprecated"

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, did you just begin your paragraph with But?

But, you can use but to begin sentences when writing in the colloquial. It's especially beneficial when writing fiction.

[11 No.]

generalizing its meaning, we are trying to show these meanings by diagrams.

And these diacrems also need a kind of generalization.
they should share a construction partly.

[独人 No.]

>>3273943
>what kind of image about "By"
This is weird question as for us western speakers we normally associate abstract concepts not pictures to words.
If I understand correctly you mean of what have before our eyes and associate to the word (kinda like you have kanjis to do the trick).

I could think of a few things, but as I said, that's not how westerners think about language.

Think of "By" as an "Invisible person" who is nearby watching the action/situation you are describing. Maybe the "thing" itself tha you're passing 'by'.

>We passed by the shop
The shop "saw you" pass in front of it.

>Time passes by
The "god of time" literally sees the time advance

>I want this report by tomorrow
"Tomorrow" will see you give that report


If you want it more simple, as you said, the preposition "by" shows conceptual and/or proximity to a thing.
But it also does a causative function:
>By making that statement, he's grown more popular
Because he made that statement, he grew more popular.
The "statement" was observing him, and came to his aid to make him popular.

I know this sounds weird but that's the only thing I could think of. I''m not a native english speaker either but my native language is pretty similar to English (especially compared to what you Elevens speak)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274052
Yes. I enjoy using colloquial English to good effect. And I regret not deprecating correctly.

[11 No.]

>>3274058

Sorry, I have analized English language itself in university, and I think a language has so deep concept that is not shown on the surface.
So my questions are something strange.

[Anonymous No.]

>Sorry, I have analized English language itself in university, and I think a language has so deep concept that is not shown on the surface.
analysed, the English language itself
and I think languages have deep concepts that are not shown on the surface (of word usage?)

>So my questions are something strange.
Questions are abstract. "Something" tends to be for concrete stuff. "So my questions are strange".

[11 No.]

>>3274082

Thank you for revise the wording !

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274095
Revising the wording. :)

Its fine. Please apologise to Japan for me for the next 15 years of stupid English language speakers mangling the Japanese language.

[Anonymous No.]

Natural languages have ambiguous grammars, are context sensitive and are usually unparsable beasts.

[独人 No.]

>>3274075
Don't be sorry about your questions.
At least you're trying to improve your english.

But the reason behind this conceptual "deepness" lies in the diversity of language sources Engilsh has had in the past.
It has a mixed grammar and vocabulary from language like germanic (which is the primitive german/english), latin (language of the romans, from back when England was partly conquered by them) and french (back when the french also conquered part of them).
There probably are also traces of gaelic and other languages which were on the british islands (scottish, irish, welsh, etc.)

This and being an island allowed the brits to have a pretty detached language from the rest of Europe. As nobody conquered them anymore after the french they had almost no external influences on their mothertongue until they got to America (which is where differences between British and American English started).

But I disgress, this is about helping you out, not about a historic linguistic vision on the English Language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274108
Fascinating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274109
Maybe allow IronyAnon to say it better.

English is a whore.
English is a slut.
English got smacked in the face and raped in the back alley of grammar and lexicon. It got so many different things screwed up her cunt, that it broke her inside, and made her twisted.

Now English is Yandere for other languages. It cuts them open to steal their insides and push them inside herself.

[独人 No.]

>>3274161
I lol'd. Yet this pretty much sums up what I said.

[11 No.]

>>3274166

By the way, I like music, and I listen so meny kinds of music.

Do you have any favorite musician in Germany?

I have litened RAMMSTEIN.
I can't understand their lyrics fully.
but i like them.

[独人 No.]

>>3274201
I like Rammstein as well but they are mostly popular outside of Germany.
Most german artists try to look more "foreign" in order to be popular inside Germany (as that's what makes them popular).
The most prominent case of this might be "Tokyo Hotel", which basically took japanese j-pop aesthetics and applied them to german pop music.

You might want to listen to some songs by "Die Ärzte"
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm3824908
They do pretty nice music which somewhat along the lines of what Rammstein does.

[独人 No.]

Also, I'll be leaving the thread for now. I don't want to derail it and have stuff to do.

[Anonymous No.]

Icelandic is betterer than Englisc

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274258
Good man.

[11 No.]

>>3274255

OK, thank you for helping me!

[Anonymous No.]

Why are you helping out this filthy eleven?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274250

Even ppl who were born in Germany have problems with unterstanding their pronouncation @___@

By the way, if you like German music you should give a try to "Silbermond" (they make average pop music but they're good),
"Wolfsheim" (They sing in English and German, mostly some dark-sounding music),

Or "Scooter", they're from Germany but they don't (uhh..sing is a bad word in this case.. right? xD) sing German, it's techno/house music.

[11 No.]

>>3274305

thank you!

I'm checking them at youtube!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274305
>@___@
>xD

You don't belong here.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: Trolls trolling trolls

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274305
>@___@
>xD
Geh weg!

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>3274305

Scooter is the BEST thing to listen to while you're rolling on E, I swear.

I have all their albums. I think The Logical Song and Nessaja are their most epic works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274352
This

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274437
I don't like you anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274437
Wow, I thought you didn't have such a shitty taste.

[Anonymous No.]

よ　日本人

英語の勉強はだめ！！！！！

アイスランド語が一番！！！分かる？

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274682
No.

English is #1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3274689
英語は貧乏や

１００００００番やな