GODDAM /jp/ I should've listened to you, but you trolled me so much I can't tell if you're trolling or not. And now I'm regretting it with this game ;_;

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Anonymous Fri Jul 10 01:58:07 2009 No.2914768 [Reply] [Original]

GODDAM /jp/ I should've listened to you, but you trolled me so much I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

And now I'm regretting it with this game ;_;

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 01:59:07 2009 No.2914775 I can't tell if OP likes it or not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:02:07 2009 No.2914804 so do you actually like it or not? I hated it honestly

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:02:07 2009 No.2914805 I haven't played it, the iso is still sitting in my downloads folder however. Is it decent?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:03:07 2009 No.2914808 Worst ripoff in VN history

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:03:07 2009 No.2914811

What's wrong OP?

It's good for the fight scenes and Lun-Lun (along with some other girls), its terrible for the "PUT YOUR COCK IN ME ARITA BUT NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU FUCK ME I'M A BOY, UGHHHHH I'M A BOY I'M A BOY" moments. Also chris is a terrible heroine.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:05:07 2009 No.2914820 Princess waltz was awesome until the second half. Then it was just "ok".

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:05:07 2009 No.2914822 >>2914808 Maybe if you played it before you played F/SN it might be alright, but then playing F/SN later would be less enjoyable. Maybe if you went into an alternate reality in which Nasu didn't exist and played it it would be ok?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:06:07 2009 No.2914825 Finding out Liesel's true identity was one of the biggest surprises I've ever had during a game, true story.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:06:07 2009 No.2914829 >>2914808 I bet you didn't even pay for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:10:07 2009 No.2914852 File: 50 KB, 810x636, hurpdurp.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2914829 Orly ? Guess again,retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:11:07 2009 No.2914860 >>2914852 You didn't even bother finishing the game? Now who's the retard?

>>	Andrey Fri Jul 10 02:11:07 2009 No.2914862 >>2914852 I bet you didn't even pay for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:11:07 2009 No.2914863 >>2914852 only 7 hscenes in this game?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:12:07 2009 No.2914866 >>2914805 Play it only if you haven't played F/SN.Do not play F/SN afterwards. Delete it if you've already played F/SN, or download a complete savegame for eroscene.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:12:07 2009 No.2914868 >>2914863 They're pretty long.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:13:07 2009 No.2914870 >>2914866 What if I started playing FSN but haven't beaten it yet?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:13:07 2009 No.2914878 >>2914866 I played it after I played F/SN and I found it more enjoyable than F/SN. Mostly because the fights were longer and more detailed. Also less cooking.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:13:07 2009 No.2914882 >>2914866 F/SN is better though. Princess Waltz is fucking awful.

>>	Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. Fri Jul 10 02:14:07 2009 No.2914887 File: 249 KB, 800x600, lun_lun.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Obligatory "Lun Lun is awesome!" reply.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:15:07 2009 No.2914890 >>2914860 I didn't finish it because I just started playing it yesterday,retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:16:07 2009 No.2914906 >>2914870 Proceed with FSN and then forget everything you've read, then start PW.

>>	ZUN !barYV1VtIA Fri Jul 10 02:18:07 2009 No.2914915 Lun Lun is better than 10 Fate/stay night characters combined.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:18:07 2009 No.2914919 http://tsukuru.info/b/?p=264&cpage=1#comment-1906 Everything you need to know about it.End of thread.

>>	ZONE !Du1A6pui8g Fri Jul 10 02:19:07 2009 No.2914922 I don't understand this 'have you played FSN' business. It's possible to like both, you know.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:21:07 2009 No.2914932 >>2914919 >Obvious F/SN fanboy comparing things to F/SN Uh, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:21:07 2009 No.2914935 >>2914922 Yes, but the possibility is rather slim.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:22:07 2009 No.2914938 >>2914922 I dislike both, am I cool yet?

>>	Andrey Fri Jul 10 02:23:07 2009 No.2914950 >>2914890 RETARD RETARD RETARD!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:24:07 2009 No.2914954 >>2914932 >I haven't played F/SN and haven't grown balls yet Eh,sure.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:26:07 2009 No.2914965

Honestly they're similar in concepts. magical beings fight for an object in an open warfare style brawl. Other than Chris and Saber having blond hair there really isn't anything too much alike about them. The main character is actually pretty cool though, better than Shirou. It's just that only a small amount of eroge have been translated so when two similar ones are translated people go "Derp shitty knockoff" When they don't realize that most eroge and visual novels are almost always the same shit with a new twist

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:28:07 2009 No.2914984 Anyone saying this is not fate stay night copycat is either a dumbfuck or haven't ever played it. The smell of plagiarism reeks right from the start,even the effect cg is ripped off straight from it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:28:07 2009 No.2914986

It's only similar in the same way that all animus are the same. Yes: there are a ton of similarities. However, if you're like 99% of the people here, and would really enjoy another 20+ hours of this crap, then it's a damn good game.

Fucking play the shit out of Princess Waltz because it's more of the same shit, and that's exactly what all of us want.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:30:07 2009 No.2915003 File: 300 KB, 800x600, pw-bath.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2914811 Not when she sees the cock. I thought PW was ok. First half was fine, but year the second half really lets you down. LunLun and Angela are worth it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:30:07 2009 No.2915004 >>2914965 >The main character is actually pretty cool though, better than Shirou 0/10 Admittedly, you almost had me going there for a while.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:30:07 2009 No.2915005 It doesn't matter if it's a knockoff or not, because either way it's terrible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:33:07 2009 No.2915019 >>2914984 Superficial similarities do not plagiarism make, dumb Anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:33:07 2009 No.2915022 How can Lun Lun be so old? She is still my favorite though!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:35:07 2009 No.2915030 >>2914984 There are also some lines that are pretty much directly lifted from F/SN.

ZUN !barYV1VtIA Fri Jul 10 02:35:07 2009 No.2915031
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>>2914938

Yes, you are.

There is nothing cool about Type-Moon. Unless you like arguing about how Shiki (Sasuke) can beat Gilamesh (Ichigo) with his Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (Ninja Eye Technique).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:37:07 2009 No.2915044 >>2915031 If you actually kept Shirou who has the same voice actor, your silly comments would have SOME merit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:37:07 2009 No.2915047 >>2915031 don't do that.... you're destroying my brain...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:38:07 2009 No.2915053 >>2915030 If you believe that F/SN is the 'ultimate original line machine', then yes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:39:07 2009 No.2915058 >>2915004 You got me with that statement, I really don't remember what the protagonist was like, only that he considered Lun Lun second. However, I do stand by most of that, PW is only similar in its initial setup.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:40:07 2009 No.2915061 >>2915044 zun's comments never have any merit.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:40:07 2009 No.2915063

Ok, I've just played it to chapter 4. This is a few good and bad things I've noticed.

1.A LOT of F/SN ripoff. I'm not going to use the word "similar" here, because that's far too lenient. Contrary to most people, I don't feel that Chris is a much Saber rip-off. Rather, it was how the narration went on, the whole cg environments(A lot of scene looks awfully a lot like F/SN,including the school)

2.Shallow as fuck story, card game not being the important part(the interval before you get to play it again is too long,IMO) and moralfag protagonist bullshit, only this time with no explanation or excuse.(Shirou can say he become a moralfag because of that big fire incident)

3.Eroscene. Now, this is a lot better than F/SN. It actually gives me a hardon, although I have to ignore the stupid narration from time to time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:42:07 2009 No.2915081 >>2915031 Say that to my face and not online and see what happens.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:43:07 2009 No.2915094 >>2915063 You people have to understand, the 'Magical battle contest' setting is nowhere near F/SN exclusive. The original part of F/SN is combining the trope of battle royale and Heroes of legend under the author's world setting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:45:07 2009 No.2915113 Stop being so pretentious /jp/, it's not like you have anything better to do with your time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:46:07 2009 No.2915124 >>2915113 I actually play other games than VNs. When it comes to wasting time, I have many other options.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:49:07 2009 No.2915145 I keep playing this game because of its card battle, is this bad ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:50:07 2009 No.2915163 >>2915145 Kinda. It's oversimplified, and cheap if you go on the defensive a lot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 02:56:07 2009 No.2915206 >>2915163 >cheap if you go on the defensive a lot And how are you supposed to defeat your opponent with that? Not to mention you wouldn't get any bonus from doing defense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 03:00:07 2009 No.2915227 I spent most of the story wishing a card game part would come up, and most of the card game part wishing I could get back to the story. But not in a good way.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 03:01:07 2009 No.2915241

>>2915206
Even with crappy cards, going overkly defensive means you almost never felt damaged, and just wait for that nice draw of the cards. If you sliglty upgrade the values every now and then, as long as you don't mind waiting, you will win most of the time.
And once you gather enough points, and do massive upgrades for everything in the second part, losing requires actual skill.

>>	ZONE !Du1A6pui8g Fri Jul 10 03:06:07 2009 No.2915265 >>2915206 You can just wait it out. With high agility, and decent cards, you can just throw away some cards to win initiative and you'll never die. Eventually, you'll get cards good enough for you to do an all out attack.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 03:24:07 2009 No.2915385 >>2915265 If you're winning initiative, you're not on the defensive.

>>	ZONE !Du1A6pui8g Fri Jul 10 03:28:07 2009 No.2915417 >>2915385 Ah, I see what you mean. However, as long as you win initiative, you will never be at risk so it's much safer (and you're free to attack at anytime). Seems defensive enough.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 03:36:07 2009 No.2915461 >>2915417 Win initiative = attack Lose initiative = defend So what's your "seem defensive enough" here ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 03:38:07 2009 No.2915484 >>2915461 He's saying "playing defensively", in this case by winning initiative at any cost to avoid all damage rather than risking it for a greater potential damage if you do win, not "get to the Defend rather than Attack phase", Anonymous-san.

>>	ZONE !Du1A6pui8g Fri Jul 10 03:42:07 2009 No.2915507 >>2915461 Offensive: Sacrificing safety for high damage later. Bare minimal initiative. Defensive: Playing it safe and hoping for opportunity to strike its head. A healthy initiative. I'm not good at making myself clear, so yeah...

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 03:50:07 2009 No.2915548

>>2915507
>Bare minimal initiative

But without good initiative, you can't go offensive. I always boosted my ini+atk stat, IMO this game has no use for playing defenses, unless you like to wait forever for the cards to rank up enough. And don't forget those annoying Block skill card.

ZONE !Du1A6pui8g Fri Jul 10 03:54:07 2009 No.2915564

>>2915548
By bare minimal initiative, I mean offering the lowest possible to win. It's like beating an 11 with a 12, but is a bit more dangerous since the cards are hidden; you're gambling big time. On the other hand, a healthy initiative would be beating a 12 with a 25.

Either way, you must win the initiative.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 03:55:07 2009 No.2915573

>>2915548
The point is, if your opponent uses 2 cards for initiative, you either use 2 or even 1 so you can deal proper damage (offensive), even if it's not the best combo of value numbers-colors. Good chance to lose the initiative

A defensive play is to use four-five cards for initiative till you can get cards that can get you the initiative easier.
MUCH less chances to inflict damage.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:02:07 2009 No.2915608
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I'm sick of everyone comparing this game to F/SN. Besides lifting Saber's character design(which about a thousand and 10 things have done) they're completely different. Saber/Chris' personalities are completely different and the plot outside a small parallel between the holy grail war and waltz are also completely different.

Chris for example has the ability to make you feel like a complete faggot even while pumping a pussy.

Pic unrelated. To my post. Not the thread. Totally related to that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:05:07 2009 No.2915632 >>2915608 >Chris for example has the ability to make you feel like a complete faggot even while pumping a pussy. You mean fucking King Arthur is somehow less gay?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:06:07 2009 No.2915636 >>2915608 >>2915608 What? Chris's h-scenes were hotter then Saber's though. The only thing that made Saber's scenes good was because of girl on girl action with Rin.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:07:07 2009 No.2915643

>>2915632
It's the subtle differences.
Saber: 'I want to feel your embrace.'
Chris:'Is it okay for two guys to do that?'.

Saber(when shirou turns her around and does her from behind):'I can't see you.. It's scary'
Chris(from behind):' I'm a boy, I'm a boy, I'm a boy'

ZONE !Du1A6pui8g Fri Jul 10 04:12:07 2009 No.2915667

>>2915643
>Chris:'Is it okay for two guys to do that?'.
>Chris(from behind):' I'm a boy, I'm a boy, I'm a boy'
Which is incredibly hot. I'd love to have something with a little more 'bromance' or at the very least, an imitation, but that'll take me to yaoi and from what I've seen, yaoi tends to be more on the scary side than cute.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:15:07 2009 No.2915686

>>2915608

Well, if you've actually played FSN then you would've noticed right away that PW ripped out many things from it, like how the effect were done (LOL Gae bolg strong reminder / the blood spurting scene/ etc. etc.) how the fight scene went on, even the plot twist in the middle game makes you feel like it's Heaven's feel all over again. All the while giving us nothing new(though the character designs are a lot better, sex scene is more fappable)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:16:07 2009 No.2915697 File: 75 KB, 566x800, 1245780757590.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2915632 You mean fucking King Arthur is somehow less gay? I could go into a long explanation, but yes. The last Chris scene felt like simulated gay sex.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:18:07 2009 No.2915707 >>2915686 Wat? better character designs? The PW heroines are fuck awful.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:18:07 2009 No.2915710

>>2915667
Hot or not, it's about very different mentalities past the superficial similarities.
>>2915686
The main problem is that you think F/SN is the only thing that did something like that.
Such effects are common trope.
The fight scenes in PW are also different, concerning focus, narration and how they work, and more akin to usual fantasy battles and action series(since F/SN has one thing that's unique, it's Nasu mechanics, thus they differ than most, for better or for worse)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:19:07 2009 No.2915714 >>2915608 You're right.They're different.Saber is more interesting as a character ,while Chris is as a slut. Also for some reason I feel like punching the VA every time Chris' name is pronounced.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:20:07 2009 No.2915719 >>2915686 FATE / STAY NIGHT INVENTED REGERATING HEALTH

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:21:07 2009 No.2915722 File: 21 KB, 255x288, Rageoriginal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] STOP SAYING BOKU WA DURING SEX

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>>	ZONE !Du1A6pui8g Fri Jul 10 04:23:07 2009 No.2915733 >>2915722 Boku can do what boku wants and if anata have a problem with it, anata can take it up with boku in private later.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:25:07 2009 No.2915738 >>2915714 Chris is a slut? Chris was a virgin while Saber says "I know how to please a man." King Arthur was a slut people.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:26:07 2009 No.2915745 >>2915738 0/10

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:27:07 2009 No.2915747 >>2915738 Saber was more moe. That's really all that matters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:28:07 2009 No.2915751 >>2915738 Saber was also a virgin. Academic knowledge is irrelevant.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:29:07 2009 No.2915755

>>2915710
>Such effects are common trope.

Oh ? Give some example and we'll talk.

Last time I see, PW effect scenes look very much like they just took it off from F/SN cg bundle and compile it into their own.

>PW are also different, concerning focus, narration and how they work, and more akin to usual fantasy battles and action series

How's that ? PW combat scene narration is done exactly the same way as F/SN, with the usual unnecessary prolonged explanation, by the same character(protagonist)

But it's WORSE than F/SN , because the fight felt like being dragged on, and the cg during the fight is just repetitive use of character sprite over and over again. In short, it's like reading F/SN, with some element missing out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:29:07 2009 No.2915757 >>2915745 You may say 0/10 but ask yourself, just how did Arturia learn how to please a man? She may not be a slut, but by that nature of her having some experience it makes her more of a slut then Chris.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:30:07 2009 No.2915765 >>2915757 Kama Sutra

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:32:07 2009 No.2915779 >>2915738 Chris said masturbation is not unfamiliar to her.Go figure. Also, bitch was wetting herself bad she had to wake Arata up for sex.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:34:07 2009 No.2915786 Chris' main goal in life was to get a penis. Seriously.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:34:07 2009 No.2915787 >>2915779 Masturbation is a natural thing. Saber actively persuing materials to learn about sex is slut like, it means she's preparing for a hard dicking. Stick a crest worm in her and you have Sakura v2.0

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:37:07 2009 No.2915798 >>2915787 lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:40:07 2009 No.2915808 Guys. C'mon. The Saber is a slut meme is the worst thing to ever hit J/P. It's such a fail troll at this point. Let's try something new?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:40:07 2009 No.2915810 This game was just created for Lun Lun

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:41:07 2009 No.2915812 >>2915808 >J/P But, I guess it's just not far if everybody in FSN isn't a slut.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:42:07 2009 No.2915817

>>2915755
Almost any Fantasy/battle VN has effects of that nature, even Ray Romano had a few (very few since battles don't really take place in narration mode).

And your premise is wrong, into thinking that it copied F/SN and you point out the differences.

Apart from the obvious fact of reusing sprites, PW battles run through the very common Japanese action series trope:
Describe the battle, have no idea how the mechanics actually work, you see get the effect described, then AFTER the upset-twist, explain how it worked. Also, the fact that are twists of the nature 'Super attack-I can counter it-I countered the counter-I planned all that'.

F/SN instead explains the events in too much detail as they happen, and many times you have before-hand knowledge of their workings.
Also, 'Twist,just as planned,twist again, counter twist' does not happen nearly as often'. When a great attack is unleashed, it either succeeds and it's over, or is countered and it's over.

F/SN is what is written a bit differently and escapes a few tropes due to NASU mechanics, while PW follows them to the T.

Of course they will be similar.
But PW is different from F/SN cause it retains the form, not because they modified F/SN.

And no, neither is inherently better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:45:07 2009 No.2915831 >>2915787 Stick crest worm to ANYONE, and you will have Sakura 2. Unless they die much faster. And considering who of the two more actively pursued actual intercourse...

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:47:07 2009 No.2915846 >>2915831 Sakura is a slut even without them. Confirmed by Nasu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:49:07 2009 No.2915859 >>2915846 Not really, no. Besides, she has that shit inside her since she was 6 and violated long before 16. So, unless somehow somewhere there is a statement 'Sakura would fuck anyone for a nickel if she hadn't gotten the worms'...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:54:07 2009 No.2915883 Saber is shit. If i wanted to see a shitty character, i wont because its shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:55:07 2009 No.2915892 >>2915883 I'm afraid you're suffering from a incurable case of shit taste, back to /a/.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:56:07 2009 No.2915899

Arata is the worst male lead ever because he prefers fucking his gay twin cousin over having an awesome life with Lun Lun, Angela or Shizuka.
He even goes as far as telling Lun Lun right before their ero scene that she will always be numer two.
Lun Lun actually loved Arata, goddamnit. WHY did he have to end up with that goddamn carpet grinding faggotslut

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:57:07 2009 No.2915906 >>2915899 Cause family comes first/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 05:00:07 2009 No.2915921 >>2915892 You're only butthurt because its true that Saber is shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 05:00:07 2009 No.2915924 >>2915921 you suck my hide nigga

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 05:01:07 2009 No.2915925 >>2915921 My butt is doing just fine thank you. I can't speak for yours though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 05:01:07 2009 No.2915926 >>2915899 It's fine. If you go with Angela, Arata doesn't say anything faggoty like that and tells her he'll make her happy the rest of her life. All the non pedos go with Angela anyways (even though Lun Lun is magically older)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 08:08:07 2009 No.2916904 >>2915926 >magically older Can't we have a break from this shit ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 09:57:07 2009 No.2917302 >>2915817 Seeing that you gave nothing new to your argument, mine stands ground that PW is basically a FSN rip-off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:02:07 2009 No.2917324 >>2915817 >PW is different from F/SN cause it retains the form Okay, now you're pulling shit out of nowhere.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:10:07 2009 No.2917352 >>2917324 More series and games follow a focus and sequence of battles/action scenes and Harem situations similar to PW then they do with F/SN. Simple as that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 11:37:07 2009 No.2917616 >>2917352 So you just like generic shitty VN ? Ok, I get it now. Your taste is horrible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 11:45:07 2009 No.2917649 FACT: Chris likes rubbing his penis on the carpet.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 11:50:07 2009 No.2917673

>>2917616
I never said 'This is better'.
I even insisted this is not a judgment on 'what is good and what is bad'.
I pointed out that PW is not a copy of F/SN and rather follows a form which can be seen in quite a few games/stories.

And being different does not by it's own make you better. Nor does following a tried recipe damn you into being awful.
It all comes down to execution.

If you can't make this distinction, then I wasted time talking to a fucking idiot.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:05:07 2009 No.2918352
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>>2917673
>Nor does following a tried recipe damn you into being awful

Clearly you don't understand the meaning of the word "generic"

Lie to yourself all you want, still don't change the fact that this game lacks creativity, and shamelessly ripped things out of Nasu's works.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:10:07 2009 No.2918371 >>2918352 >girugamesh, nasu 0/10 Try harder or play more vns.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:13:07 2009 No.2918381

>>2918352
The whole fucking point is that a good number you accuse it of 'ripping' are actually common in many fantasy battle stories, which means by extension, nasu stole them too.
And similar content is not the problem with 'generic', it's the execution.
but regardless if PW is generic or not, it did not steal it's content from F/SN.
It's quality(good or bad), it's uniqueness(generic or not) and whether it ripped of parts of F/SN are distinct issues.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:17:07 2009 No.2918400

>>2918371

Ha,no.I think it's YOU who should play the fuck more.

>>2918381
>which means by extension, nasu stole them too.

Ok, let's hear what games are you suggesting Nasu stole the idea of F/SN from. Because as far as I know, the only VN with Holy grail war is called FSN.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:30:07 2009 No.2918476

Comparing fate stay night with princess waltz is like...well..comparing Gattaca withTransformers 2(if anyone has ever watched it)

People who like Fate will definitely don't like pw, while PW lovers will most likely don't like fate. However, PW is a good start to get you into the world of VNs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:40:07 2009 No.2918538 >>2918476 I liked F/SN and PW, for different reasons. It's not impossible to like both. Also Gattaca is fucking awesome. That said, PW still makes you feel like a faggot in all the chris scenes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:47:07 2009 No.2918579 >>2918538 'Sup bro. And here I thought /jp/ don't care about western movies just because they're...well, western.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:50:07 2009 No.2918601 Dunno about this anon, but Gattaca was pretty gay and boring. Everyone looks so emotionless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:50:07 2009 No.2918602 This game is shamelessly ripped off of Fate/Stay Night. It lacks creativity, it's generic, it's shallow, it's stupid. I know this, but I enjoyed it anyways.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:54:07 2009 No.2918619 >>2918400 While not Grail War, Battle Royales on a magical nature with Nigh-Ultimate power as a prize? Even disney comics with fucking Mickey and Goofy have done that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:59:07 2009 No.2918659 File: 25 KB, 921x606, picardfacepalmed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2918619 >Implying disney is the same type of story with F/SN ...I feel so sorry for you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:05:07 2009 No.2918707 worst fights ever EVER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:06:07 2009 No.2918708 >>2918619 The waltz doesn't offer unlimited power to the princess that wins it. She gets to be the princes' bitch the rest of her life. The coronation happens regardless of who wins it. You're a fail-tard troll.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:07:07 2009 No.2918721

>>2918659
Of course it's not the same type of story, you fucktard.
While they have a SIMILAR setting and initial plot point, actual storytelling and execution is different.
Which was my whole fucking point. That they can have a few similar concepts without idiots claiming 'Ah, it stole from here and there'.
Quoting text with reaction pictures does not give your post any greater significance, nor does make you more witty.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:09:07 2009 No.2918737 >>2918708 The specific example was for F/SN. And 'Battle till you get a prize' plus 'they have extraordinary' abilities STILL stands. You guys desperately nitpick to support shitty statements.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:10:07 2009 No.2918741 File: 22 KB, 243x340, reimu_shock02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Quoting text with reaction pictures does not give your post any greater significance, nor does make you more witty.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:12:07 2009 No.2918759 >>2918721 >SIMILAR setting >actual storytelling and execution is different. Oh hey you're right. You just realised it was a CHEAP ripoff from F/SN. My whole point exactly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:12:07 2009 No.2918762 >>2918737 Fate / Stay Night invented tournaments. You heard it here first, folks.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:14:07 2009 No.2918785

>>2918759
You have no fucking idea what a rip-off is.
Simple enough.
>>2918762
Are you even fucking following?
F/SN did not invent tournaments, nor magical battles.
That was my whole point.
Stories did it before, stories did it after.
Are you even trying.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:17:07 2009 No.2918800 File: 58 KB, 337x404, sakura_grin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2918762 >Ignoring the whole story and assume F/SN is just another tourney shounen. Way to fail,anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:19:07 2009 No.2918813 >>2918741 I've been lied to all this time!?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:19:07 2009 No.2918819 >>2918762 >FSN .. tournaments FSN is a lot of things, but tournaments?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:21:07 2009 No.2918830 >>2918785 Or maybe it's just that you have never really played f/sn and just fantasized about it being "the same type of every-day fantasy, no copies LOL". Seriously, go play the fuck moar before you come shitting things you haven't even played.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:21:07 2009 No.2918831 >>2918785 Exactly, everyone knows halo invented magical battles and tournaments

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:21:07 2009 No.2918835 >>2918819 >>2918800 see >>2918737 'Battle till you get a prize' presented as a point of F/SN's originality

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:22:07 2009 No.2918843 >>2918785 Is your sarcasm detector still under warrenty, Anon?

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:25:07 2009 No.2918856

-Similarities-
Chris/Saber both like the colors white and blue and have blonde hair.
Waltz is a competition holy grail war is too. Both get dissolved for larger plot.
blood splatters when you get hit!! OMG!!
Shirou and Arata both share the common male lead attributes of I WANT TO GET STRONGER TO PROTECT PEOPLE. I'm not sure how much this would count as a rip off due to every animu/vn/mango ever has this.

-Differences-
Branching multi-pathed story vs static single ending
card-game vs decision making
Chris and Saber act completely different and have completely different goals.
The interaction between the princesses and Arata is a completely different dynamic than the servants and Shirou. (even though we all wish archer would bone shirou)
The motifs are completely different.
F/SN is centered on a story, PW is centered on sex/fighting/cardgame.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:26:07 2009 No.2918863

>>2918830
...You really are retarded and ignore most points I state.
What I have said repeatedly, is that starting with a similar setting and broad concept, very different stories past the su[perficial similarities exist.
F/SN uses a common fantasy plot setting and few ideas, but progresses in a very different way.
As for PW, it doesn't stray too much from the other fantasy action stories that uses such setting, and is in result DIFFERENT from F/SN, past a few similarities.

Where the fuck you get your deductions, I do not know.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:27:07 2009 No.2918873 >>2918835 Every story telling has to put an end somewhere, I don't see what you're trying to tell here..are you suggesting that because it share similar final moments it can avoid being called plagiarism ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:32:07 2009 No.2918907 File: 74 KB, 640x480, 1230580021347.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this thread

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:32:07 2009 No.2918908

>>2918856

So if we break the game and the similarities down into the basic points they should be easier to compare

Game-play, Characters, Plot/Story

1 Game Play. We don't even need to fucking anylize this one. You're a tard if you think they play the same.
2 The only real similarity is Shirou/Arata. Of course in PW Arata is simply an empty shell meant to carry the average Japanese male through the story. In F/SN Shirou is a character who is actually developed and explored.
3 Plot/Story. There's a competition in both of them. That's it. The master/servant princess/prince thing may seem like a parallel at first glance but it really isn't at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:32:07 2009 No.2918909 >>2918873 No, I'm implying that tournaments for prizes were not invented by F/SN.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:32:07 2009 No.2918913

I seriously couldn't care less if PW is a ripoff of F/SN or not. I played PW, enjoyed it, and moved on to the next thing.

On the other hand, I've never played F/SN and don't ever plan to; I've been meaning to get around to playing Tsukihime one of these days though. Unfortunately TM fanboys (see: this thread) have done their best to completely turn me off from touching anything TM.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:34:07 2009 No.2918924 >>2918913 Letting fanboys ruin things for you is one of the more pathetic things, 'just read it, but never discuss it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:35:07 2009 No.2918933 >>2918913 So you're going to deprive yourself of a good experience because of faggots? It's worth reading.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:35:07 2009 No.2918935

>>2918856
>F/SN is centered on a story, PW is centered on sex/fighting/cardgame.

True.

>>2918863

And you still seem comfortably avoid my comments about it copying the exact cg effect, the music scores being awfully the same as F/SN. The plot twist reminded a lot of Heaven's feel scenario, and the narration detailed exactly the same way as F/SN.

You told that this is common among other VNs, I asked for proof/example, you gave none. Simple enough.

I don't have problem with its story, it's these elements that in itself scream out "I'm a F/SN ripoff". And you're a liar trying to tell people otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:37:07 2009 No.2918944 >>2918935 Fate / Stay Night invented plot twists and narration!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:39:07 2009 No.2918952 >>2918935 I'm a different Anon than that anon. I'm simply putting objective material down because I'm not a faggot who argues with feelings. You guys can decide that shit on your own.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:40:07 2009 No.2918956 >>2918909 Nobody said so.What is your point about this "tourney" exactly ?

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:44:07 2009 No.2918981

>>2918944

I didn't say that. Plot twist is fine as long as you don't take the whole thing right out of others' works.Narration is fine as long as you're doing it your style.

The way I see it, PW failed both attempts(if it even tried, which I doubt) It's basically a F/SN breakdown for underage to pick up and learn what hentai is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:45:07 2009 No.2918988 >>2918956 Nobody said so. >>2918737 And 'Battle till you get a prize' plus 'they have extraordinary' abilities STILL stands. Is that so~?

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:47:07 2009 No.2918998

>>2918981

I'm really not seeing how the twist was lifted from FSN, and what, you're saying the FSN is the only VN allowed to have detailed fight scenes? Regardless, as one Anon has said, the mechanics for those fights are significantly different from those of FSN, sticking much closer to the usual shounen tropes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:48:07 2009 No.2919002 >>2918952 >I'm a different Anon than that anon Easy way to bail out,isn't it? >I'm not a faggot who argues with feelings Sure you are.No evidence to support your argument = making shits up.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:53:07 2009 No.2919037

>>2918998
You're not seeing it because you haven't played it. Big surprise.

>you're saying the FSN is the only VN allowed to have detailed fight scenes?

I meant detailed narration is fine as long as it is done in its own way, the way PW did it is not.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:56:07 2009 No.2919052

>>2918998

If you want to add more to my list go ahead and do so and we can discuss the validity of the points you add, or we can discuss the validity of the points I made. The fact you're so caught up in hoping I'm the other anon is dissapointing.

ITT we learn how to have an enjoyable discussion, because we're failing hard at it now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:00:07 2009 No.2919060 >>2919037 Yes, I have. If you're going to continue to refuse to explain your argument, I'm going to have to conclude you're just pulling stuff from thin air.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:01:07 2009 No.2919062 File: 4 KB, 210x168, coolface.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2919052 >enjoyable discussion >4chan OH U

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:01:07 2009 No.2919063 >>2919052 To quote your own good self, I'm a different Anon than that anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:04:07 2009 No.2919070 >>2919060 Hahaha oh wow. Now you're using my own previous argument as your own? Your lack in creativity proves why you got on so well with uncreative game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:05:07 2009 No.2919077 >>2919052 Here, >>2919063 I was responding to >>2919002 And clicked the wrong one. Sigh. This whole thread is a clusterfuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:08:07 2009 No.2919088 >>2919070 I'm not the person you were responding to with that, but thanks for helping me conclude that you are a troll. Bye.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:08:07 2009 No.2919090

>>2919060

Are your brain suffering some kind of Alzhimer ? I asked that you provide your proof earlier and you still won't give out any viable evidence. Troll all you want but that still won't change the fact of this discussion. This game ripoffs F/SN badly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:10:07 2009 No.2919100 >>2919090 No, you asked someone entirely different who was using entirely different arguments than I was to do that. I hate to rain on your parade, but your opinions are not fact, no matter how loudly you may shout them.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:10:07 2009 No.2919103

>>2919037
The fight scene descriptions are not similar, if only because the actual flow of battles and mechanics are pretty damn different. MUCH less use of analogies, if you want a writing style effect too. Many shonen battle series follow the trope 'don't explain mechanics, let impressive events happen, explain afterward', while F/SN describes everything as it goes most of the time.
Also, much fewer 'twists' during battles for F/SN, usually powers and abilities that are many times known to you already clash and you simply see the result.

The PW plot twist is in nature, foreshadowing and circumstances surrounding it VERY different, up to it's conclusion.

There.
Deny as much as you want, I'll go fap to Suzushiro assfuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:10:07 2009 No.2919106 >>2919090 It probably did. But FSN wasn't the first of its type either, far from it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:12:07 2009 No.2919114 >>2919090 >Are your brain suffering some kind of Alzhimer ? >Are your brain

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:12:07 2009 No.2919116 >>2919103 >>Also, much fewer 'twists' during battles for F/SN, usually powers and abilities that are many times known to you already clash and you simply see the result. Except for most fight with Saber.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:13:07 2009 No.2919121

See, the problem I see is, people seem to be dismissing PW because "It's a ripoff copycat FSN clone", which is somehow a bad thing. My take is "FSN clone? DO WANT!"

Seriously, getting the same thing one more time is well worth it. That being said, FSN is better, much better, mostly because it takes itself much more seriously. However, PW is still "good".

But what am I saying? This is /jp/, where everything is either "best ever" or "complete shit". Ugh

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:14:07 2009 No.2919126

>>2919088
>Bye.
>not the person you were responding to with that
>troll calling others trolls

You know, you don't have to pretend you have left the thread.There are other way to do if you don't like it...but seeing you as butthurt underage I guess it's normal you don't know.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:22:07 2009 No.2919184 >>2919121 >>2919121 >>2919121 >>2919121 >>2919121 >>2919121 Read this you dumbfucks, stop your retarded argument and go back to fapping!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 16:27:07 2009 No.2919206 >>2919121 >FSN is better, much better So if we thought 90% of F/SN was shit, we'll hate the FUCK out of this game? I actually liked it more than F/SN. Probably because Rin was the only character I liked, and she hardly got a route

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:01:07 2009 No.2919400 >>2918981 I don't remember a plot twist happening in HF, care to remind it for me?

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