Anyone else glad that eroges are being shut down? I think this will have them focus more on good stories in VNs. It has a lot of potential as a medium but mostly just used for sex. Only a few companies like Key, Type-Moon, and 07th expansion really take them seriously. Thoughts?

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Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:38:25 2009 No.2848595 [Reply] [Original]

Anyone else glad that eroges are being shut down?

I think this will have them focus more on good stories in VNs. It has a lot of potential as a medium but mostly just used for sex. Only a few companies like Key, Type-Moon, and 07th expansion really take them seriously.

Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:39:25 2009 No.2848599 >>2848595 You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:39:25 2009 No.2848600 God damn, look at that magnificent rack

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:39:25 2009 No.2848601 If they manage to turn sex into proper plot devices, then yeah. It would feel really out of place without atleast one sex scene, because this whole medium is about the porn, like it or not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:40:25 2009 No.2848604 >>2848595 I like Sakura's boobies. That is all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:41:25 2009 No.2848606 Taking the sex out of VNs, even out of VNs that don't emphasise it, is like taking the killing-the-bull out of bull fights, or I don't know, replacing the Bull with an angry cow.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:41:25 2009 No.2848609 I have no problem with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:41:25 2009 No.2848610 >>2848599 This.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:42:25 2009 No.2848611 If I wanted to read well-written literature, I'd read a book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:42:25 2009 No.2848612 It marks a massive defeat for all those progressivese wishing sex was as acceptable in media as graphic violence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:42:25 2009 No.2848613 >>2848600 She's not wearing a bra.

>>	ZUN !barYV1VtIA Sat Jun 27 05:42:25 2009 No.2848614 File: 97 KB, 175x150, reg1166129060.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I think you're right, Anon. We must immediately shut down the eroges.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:43:25 2009 No.2848619 >>2848606 What about the VNs that don't have sex in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:44:25 2009 No.2848620 >>2848613 That's because she's a good girl.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:44:25 2009 No.2848623 Yeah because erotic content and plot cant coexist. guess all james bond movies, the godfather, hell, even fucking romeo and juliet are all trashy literature because they have focus upon sexual dimensions. kill yourself faget

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:45:25 2009 No.2848628 >>2848623 Not what I said, man. The point is that VNs are used totally for sex. With this ban, now companies are forced to do something else to spice things up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:46:25 2009 No.2848629 >>2848619 I think anon is trying to say such things don't exist. I mean certainly VNs aren't really just choose your own adventure stories with pictures, right? We can't possibly have really high ranking ones with no sex right? oh shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:48:25 2009 No.2848643 >>2848628 not all VNs are eroge. just like not all small furry animals are squirrels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:49:25 2009 No.2848645 Protip: By the current restrictions, F/SN would be banned. (you're not fooling anyone with your "all characters in this VN are 18 or older", Nasu)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:49:25 2009 No.2848646 >>2848643 Never said that either. You're not listening to what I'm saying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:50:25 2009 No.2848649 >>2848619 Matters little. I would have been happy with Saya no Uta even if the sex was only implied. The rape scene made my blood boil.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:51:25 2009 No.2848652

>>2848628
You need to stop making retarded judgments based on your little knowledge of translated visual novels.

There are PLENTY of story-oriented eroge, but more porn-oriented eroge get translated because there isn't much of a market in the English language community. Now shut the fuck up and go learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:53:25 2009 No.2848663 Eroge are not being shut down, and it sounds like you've never played any beyond translated titles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:55:25 2009 No.2848669 >>2848652 >story-oriented eroge Yea, of course. I know this. That doesn't mean the plots are good. Still too much emphasis on the sex and that's the problem. I'm sure that most of the VNs that do get translated are the very best ones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:55:25 2009 No.2848673 >>2848645 I'll gladly fap to 16-17 year old characters, legal shit or not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:56:25 2009 No.2848676 File: 40 KB, 798x491, 1241194121195.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2848669 >most of the VNs that do get translated are the very best ones

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:56:25 2009 No.2848677

>>2848628
No they're not, its like the argument for violence within games, most common being "so many games have mindless violence within them, if this was removed the quality of games would improve dramatically as the creators would have to focus on something else"

problem with this argument? it assumes violence in games is completely detrimental or that games with no violence are unconditionally better. this is exactly what you're doing

let me ask you,
will a visual novel be great simply because there is no sexual content? no
will a visual novel be bad simply because there is sexual content? no

infact, while you may be "happy" that eroge is being cracked down upon, it's at the expense of many other people who enjoy or have the mental capacity to find depth within erotic ventures.

and for what? you think more non-ero visual novels will be produced? there are plenty around already.

in any case, i could equally argue "classical music is terrible, if there was no classical music, the music industry can focus on more relevant kinds of sounds"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:57:25 2009 No.2848678 >>2848669 Stop talking. Just delete your thread. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:59:25 2009 No.2848683 File: 29 KB, 500x500, 1231115035023.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >VNs >potential as a medium

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:59:25 2009 No.2848686

>>2848649
and that's why you're a total moron.

yes, the rape scene was intended to make your blood boil, it made you connect with the situation, it made you actually care more about the characters, and you seem to think it holds no worth whatsoever, why? because you got your head in some childish cloud of what you like and dont like, and seem to think right and wrong magically follows that too.

"oh no, this scene made me angry, lets get rid of it"
"oh no, this ending is sad, lets get rid of it"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 05:59:25 2009 No.2848688 >>2848595 We need less VNs and more Hentai "Games" Emphasizing on the GAMES part. I really want to see more games with the same quality as Kasumi's Feel the Flash. Sure its ony like 1MB, but goddamn...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:03:25 2009 No.2848698 File: 123 KB, 1216x437, DOHOHO.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2848619 Why would there be VNs without sex? Picture related.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:04:25 2009 No.2848704 This thread should be stickied, as a sentinel to all the young'ns out there who dont what they got between their legs

>>	ZUN !barYV1VtIA Sat Jun 27 06:05:25 2009 No.2848707 File: 367 KB, 199x200, reg_pole42791843657.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>Only a few companies like Key, Type-Moon, and 07th expansion really take them seriously. That subtle trolling won't work on us! Right?!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:07:25 2009 No.2848714 >>2848707 I might be inclined to believe it's a troll if I had any faith in humanity. Unfortunately I don't.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:10:25 2009 No.2848721

>>2848677

Not the same thing.

The difference is, violence in video games are important to the best games. On the other hand, sex is almost never needed to make a good VN. Greatest VNs it's not even a focus.

And with classical music analogy, that doesn't make any sense. Nobody cares about classical music. Now if I were to ban the shitty music and "artists" that are popular, you would no doubt see the quality in music on the radio increase.

I don't hate eroge, I just think they're holding back what could potentially be a much better industry in VNs. I feel the same way about all the shitty fanservice anime out there.

>>2848707

It wasn't supposed to be a troll. Whether you dislike their VNs or not, you can at least admit that their VNs are much more than porn with a plot.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:13:25 2009 No.2848728
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>On the other hand, sex is almost never needed to make a good VN. Greatest VNs it's not even a focus.
I do seem to remember some very famous VN where there isn't a single scene where sex isn't mentioned...

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:14:25 2009 No.2848732

>>2848721
> Whether you dislike their VNs or not, you can at least admit that their VNs are much more than porn with a plot.

Right, their VNs are plot with lots of porn packed in.
And that's the reason why I hate those. Either make a fucking porn VN or just let me enjoy the story and keep that away from me. Either story OR porn, motherfuckers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:15:25 2009 No.2848734 >>2848721 You cited three VN companies with translations, while completely ignoring hundreds of other great companies just because you're an ignorant fucktard who can't even research a little before spouting bullshit. Leave.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:16:25 2009 No.2848740 If you don't like sex in visual novels you should wait until you are 21 or something, then it's all you'll want.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:17:25 2009 No.2848744

>>2848721
In other words, your speaking as if your opinion should be the standard that all follow.

"violence is needed in good games" "porn is not needed in good visual novels"

now, tell me why, so far all ive seen is your low awareness of the world, as well as narrowmindedness

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:18:25 2009 No.2848745 File: 42 KB, 704x400, face14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2848734 > telling others to leave on an anonymous imageboard Did I accidentally on /g/ again?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:19:25 2009 No.2848748 >>2848721 i could equally say that the best visual novels have sex, and the worst games have violence. O SHI- has your world crumbled?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:21:25 2009 No.2848754 I only read vn's for the stories anyways. just something about reading while fapping just doesn't do it for me. I know the voice and characters and all, but if I want to fap I just get a cg set or a doujin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:24:25 2009 No.2848764 Sex is an essential part of human character interaction in any story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:25:25 2009 No.2848766 A lot of people seem to complain about sex being unnecessary. Am I the only one who likes dipping crisps in chocolate?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:27:25 2009 No.2848773 >Anyone else glad that eroges are being shut down? >I think this will have them focus more on good stories in VNs The strongest girl sewing my clothes. Those would be the strongest clothes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:27:25 2009 No.2848776 >>2848740 What? I'm past that age, and I've never really enjoyed sex scenes in VNs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:30:25 2009 No.2848783 Eroges will not die. Artists will creatively get around the bans, or just all consist of SEX IN MISSIONARY POSITION WITH TWO CONSENTING ADULTS.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:32:25 2009 No.2848788

>>2848734

I don't know Japanese, so of course I can mainly speak about the translated.

This doesn't make my opinion any less valid because you dont need to know Japanese to know what and who's running the industry.

>>2848740

I don't dislike sex in VNs. I dislike how they obviously run the industry to the point that it hurts quality. Wanko to Kurasou, for instance. It had a lot of potential, but was essentially ruined by the sex aspect of it. A lot of VNs are like this.

>>2848748

Sex isn't as necessary to make a great VN(not necessary at all, really) as violence is to make great video games.

>>2848744

Sex is usually just an ends in a VN. In a video game, violence is important many times to the whole experience.

Sex usually cheapens entertainment artistically. Violence does not(as much).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:35:25 2009 No.2848795 >>2848788 You're stupidity is terminal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:36:25 2009 No.2848800 >This doesn't make my opinion any less valid because you dont need to know Japanese to know what and who's running the industry. Ahahahhahahahaha

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:38:25 2009 No.2848806

>>2848788
Wanko to Kurasou is a moe fapping game, it wasn't meant to be much more. Just like moe anime isn't hurting the anime industry (if you don't like it, don't watch it. There's plenty of other stuff out there), fapping games aren't hurting eroge. If you want to complain to someone, complain to the tards who passed up thousands of better games to translate it.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:39:25 2009 No.2848817

>>2848595
>It has a lot of potential as a medium
no. If I want a story, I will read a book. If I want pictures, I will read manga. If I want both, I will read a light novel.

VN only fulfills the role of pretending some guy moaning in falsetto is a cute anime girl climaxing. (I find it hard to believe small doujin groups who sell porn games at comiket can get females willing to make sex noises.)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:40:25 2009 No.2848821 >>2848817 Well, that's just like, your opinion, bro. Isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:44:25 2009 No.2848833 >>2848817 >I find it hard to believe small doujin groups who sell porn games at comiket can get females willing to make sex noises OK, back to /a/...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:46:25 2009 No.2848843 >>2848788 How about you drop your not-so-subtle 'sex is dirty' overtones and start talking like a (I hope) young adult.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:47:25 2009 No.2848848
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What matters here is that VNs are not a genre.

Or if they were, they would be something like similar to Bollywood movies, just replace the obligatory sex scenes with dancing. C'mon, even their ripoffs of Fight Club and Reservoir Dogs had dancing, just like in Gekkou no Carnevale you bone the dolls in the end.

Saying the sex hurts the medium is like saying that Godfather is a lesser movie because of the existence of Slutcumsluts' Backdoor Adventures 17.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:50:37 2009 No.2848855 [DELETED]

>>2848806

It was not meant to be much more simply because the industry wouldn't allow it to. It's plot was mediocre because they knew it would sale based on having sex with cute animal girls alone

You only proved my point man.

I fapped to it. I fapped to it pretty good, but I still thought it was ridiculous, and had a lot of potential. If you throw away everything dealing with sex and focused more on well developed plot and characters, WtK could have potentially been awesome.

>>2848817

VNs are the sum of it's parts. You can't downplay how great it is(potentially) for not doing one thing better than a medium dedicated to that thing.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:51:25 2009 No.2848857

>>2848806

It was not meant to be much more simply because the industry wouldn't allow it to. It's plot was mediocre because they knew it would sale based on having sex with cute animal girls alone

You only proved my point man.

I fapped to it. I fapped to it pretty good, but I still thought it was ridiculous, and had a lot of potential. If you throw away everything dealing with sex and focused more on well developed plot and characters, WtK could have been awesome.

>>2848817

VNs are the sum of it's parts. You can't downplay how great it is(potentially) for not doing one thing better than a medium dedicated to that thing.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:52:25 2009 No.2848859

>>2848788
Wanko would have been even worse without the sex. It didn't have anything else going for it, so at least I was able to get a few faps out of it.

>Sex usually cheapens entertainment artistically. Violence does not(as much).
Ok that's just fucking stupid. There is artistic merit in both as they are both essential parts of the human existence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:55:25 2009 No.2848870 >>2848857 Yeah, you show em champ. Wanko to Nasuverse here we come! With added GUNS BLAZING!

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:57:25 2009 No.2848874

>>2848857
>It was not meant to be much more simply because the industry wouldn't allow it to.
Yeah because there are no plot-based visual novels.

>If you throw away everything dealing with sex and focused more on well developed plot and characters, WtK could have been awesome.
It had no plot or characters to develop. Now you're going to say that that's also the industry's fault. It's not. It wasn't well written, that's all there is to it. Removing the sex scenes would just result in more poorly-written slice of life scenes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:57:25 2009 No.2848875 >>2848857 Clannad could have been much better if it had sex. you only proved my point man. look, i have no idea where you're pulling this stuff from, make a coherent argument please. you're literally going "i think this, oh look, im right"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:57:25 2009 No.2848876 >>2848857 Look. Everyone here, especially the Japanese-readers, are telling you that you're wrong. You're making retarded presumptions based off of nothing. I give up. Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 06:59:04 2009 No.2848883 [DELETED]

>>2848859

Look at where porn is considered in society versus action movies.

Porn is considered shit tier artistically(not even considered art legally), and an action movie is a couple tiers above it. That's not to say that you can't have tasteful sex scenes in a movie that add or don't negatively effect the experience, but it generally does not go that way. Or just look at anime. Anime that rely completely on pantsu shots are definitely not treated with the same level of respect as something like Hellsing or Black Lagoon which rely completely on violence.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:00:25 2009 No.2848887

>>2848859

Look at where porn is considered in society versus action movies.

Porn is considered shit tier artistically(not even considered art legally), and an action movie is a couple tiers above it.Or just look at anime. Anime that rely completely on pantsu shots are definitely not treated with the same level of respect as something like Hellsing or Black Lagoon which rely completely on violence. That's not to say that you can't have tasteful sex that add to, or don't negatively effect the experience, but it generally does not go that way.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:01:25 2009 No.2848889

>>2848728
Amusingly though, only one or two of the explicit h-scenes add to the story, the rest could just be shortened/cut since they add virtually nothing. There's many points in the story where there's sex but it's not shown explicitly and it works perfectly.

I don't see what's so wrong about making eroge less hardcore. Keep sex, just make it less explicit, problem solved.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:02:25 2009 No.2848891 >>2848859 All wanko was was a Kemonomimi wish fufillment

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:02:25 2009 No.2848893 >>2848887 So i suppose naruto turning into a naked girl was dealt with harsh judgement from the fanbase and that toloveru isn't one of the best selling mangas out there... OH WAIT

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:06:25 2009 No.2848902

>>2848893

You're getting away from the point.

Sex sells, of course. I never implied that it did not. In fact, that's been my whole issue since the OP.

To Love Ru may be popular, but not even the most hardcore of it's fanbase wouldn't act as if the manga is anywhere near the same level of something like Berserk.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:07:25 2009 No.2848905 0/10

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:09:25 2009 No.2848908 Eroges are not being shut down. Just the Rape and extreme games will be gone. Normal ones will go on like nothing happened.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:10:25 2009 No.2848914

>>2848893
I don't remember that scene more that 4 or 5 times in over 200 episodes. Also I do not remember Naruto to have sex in any form.

>>2848887
The reason is pretty obvious, I think. Sex just isn't something that you want to watch with others. Either you watch it with your friend or alone. It's more of a private thing.
There's just not enough variety to it. Try to make an exciting (not as in "sexually exciting") sex scene. WOOO! AWESOME! DOGGY STYLE! I WONDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT!!!1
No, this just won't work out. I watch videos/play games to be entertained, to be thrilled about what happens next, what the "hero" will do next or how he will solve a problem.
I don't want to look at people having sex all day. It's nice to jerk off or get stimulated but that's all. If you want to show people that two characters have sex with each other (maybe to clarify the relationship) then implying it is more than enough.

also WALL OF TEXT

Lambda !DELTATiWVA Sat Jun 27 07:10:25 2009 No.2848915

>>2848857
Everything has as much potential as you project into it.

And wanko wouldn't exist without the porn because the whole setting was created as a justification for sex.

On the other hand, look at MOON. or Saya, these games have interesting stories and do gain intensity from the sex scenes.

Of course you wouldn't understand that if you only played VNs where the sex is gimmicky at most.

And I'd like you to name a view companies that waste potential by making games centered too much on sex. Preferably as successful companies as Key and TM.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:14:25 2009 No.2848921

>>2848908

I didn't mean literally. "Shut down" as in the fetishes that were being blocked. Though I will say, as a proponent of free speech that I'm not happy about this. It's just that I think this can have a positive effect on the industry as far as VN plots go.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:16:25 2009 No.2848926

>>2848902
Wait, are you trying to argue that removing a common element in bad VNs is going to improve the quality of VNs as a whole?

What ever happened to the universal truth of "95% of EVERYTHING is SHIT"? Removing anything isn't going to change this percentage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:19:25 2009 No.2848936 >>2848908 The only thing left will be sex in the missionary position between consenting adults for the express purpose of procreation. OH WAIT, "Conception" is in the list of restricted material! What could be left, I wonder?

>>	Lambda !DELTATiWVA Sat Jun 27 07:20:25 2009 No.2848939 >>2848902 It's you getting away from the point by the way. Manga and Anime are media aimed at a completely different target audience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:24:25 2009 No.2848950 >>2848939 >Anime are media aimed at a completely different target audience. Than VNs? You'd be pretty fucking wrong.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:25:25 2009 No.2848952

>>2848921
I thought Clannad was a great game. I laughed, i cried, i raged, it was time very well spent.
But i still think that some sex would have made it a bit better game. Why? Because sex is a part of human, every human. Since ancient times it got portraited on whatever medium they had at it's time.
I know i said it's good that all the mindless rape games like Virgin rooster and so on(only ones that i know being translated) are gone, but it has a negative effect on games that only use like one rape scene for effect and not build the whole thing upon it.
In my opinion the restriction take more away then they help.

>Currently, The bill that allows to limiting the content (It is censorship. Isn't it?) to all EROGEs is being discussed in the Diet because intellectuals and politicians said "Japanese EROGE were being problem and troubled with the foreign country. Therefore we should make EROGE hidden away from foreign country, and also its content should be limited and censored".

The Situation is hot at the moment. Once it calms down and unicef and all the other world savers will turn their heads to make some other part of the world a "better place" things will losen up and get better. It is always like that, loopholes will appear things will change etc etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:28:25 2009 No.2848961 >Only a few companies >like Key >good stories in VNs HAHAHA OH WOW

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:31:25 2009 No.2848972 Op is a gigantic faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:35:25 2009 No.2848988 >>>2848952 Clannad had sex, they had a daughter. It didn't need to be shown though, because that's not really what the game is about.

>>	Lambda !DELTATiWVA Sat Jun 27 07:36:25 2009 No.2848992 >>2848950 Do you expect more than 10% of all Anime/Manga fans to be fans of VNs too? I don't. This is only my opinion and not scientifically proved in any way of course.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:38:25 2009 No.2848996 Holy shit if I wanted to read a good story I'd read a book!! None of the Type-moon power-leveling shit is even comparable to the actual modern-day authors. BRING ON THE TENTACLE IMPREGNATION SEX!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:40:25 2009 No.2849002 Glad I'm not American otherwise I would be brainwashed to think sex is evil

Lambda !DELTATiWVA Sat Jun 27 07:42:25 2009 No.2849011

>>2848988
They wouldn't even need emotionally involving characters, because that's not what the game is about. Some philosophy book would have done the job way better, right?

Keep in mind that my argument is theoretical in nature because I didn't read clannad. And I see how sex scenes wouldn't be needed that much in it, so yeah.

Again, this doesn't mean that there are no games that rely on or even need sex scenes to get certain points across.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:43:25 2009 No.2849015

>>2848996
If you are under the impression that the majority of teh shit that gets published is good quality standalone, embrace your delusions and drown in them.

Just like every medium, the majority is shit and teh few good books are what trully matter and we appreciate.

But that doesn't stop silly people buying erotic books from grocery stores and enjoying the fact that Fabio put his ponos on Maria.

Condemning a medium as whole while glorifying another is retarded.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:43:25 2009 No.2849017

What I don't understand is the new bill just banning visual scenes or are they banning implied scenes too? If it's the latter then clannad would be banned for "pregnancy". Yes I am aware clannad is not a eroge, but the scope of this ban is so large that pretty much everything is going to be banned because of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:47:25 2009 No.2849026 >>2848950 No, hes right. thinking manga and anime cater to VN players is thinking that all people who love TV like radio, or all people who like Motorbikes like cars. similar things to not equate to similar interest

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:47:25 2009 No.2849027 >>2848612 Wait. I'm not for sex in media, but for sex when it's obviously adult media and targeted only at adults. That's a huge difference

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:48:25 2009 No.2849031 >>2849015 But expecting that banning the VN versions of Fabio+Maria romance novels will increase the overall quality of VNs is also quite silly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:49:25 2009 No.2849038 File: 22 KB, 450x400, 1217809459638.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2848595 >suggesting nitro+ games has a bad story

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:52:25 2009 No.2849048 >>2848649 >The rape scene made my blood boil. That's the point. Empathy with the character because she looks like a little girl.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:52:25 2009 No.2849049

>>2849031
Exactly.
These books serve a purpose for a certain audience.
The ones who buy those don't want more.
Same for sex-centered VNs.
If peopel want something more, plenty of shit exist for them.
Expecting that 'quality' of the whole medium will go up is silly.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:53:25 2009 No.2849051

in other words, OP is just a selfish bastard.

sex in VNs dont hurt him, and are liked by many, yet he wants it gone on the unproven and slim chance that "quality will improve" and by quality, OP seems to mean sexless VNs.

in other words, he just wants things to be sexless, because he doesnt like erotic things, even if that means taking it away from people who do like erotic things.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:55:25 2009 No.2849056 OP: My opinion is right Anon: no, its not, because this this and this, you even contradicted yourself here, here and here! OP: ...You're wrong, my opinion is right /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:56:25 2009 No.2849058 >>2848686 But I cheered for the fag raping Saya because that's what she deserved. Most unlikeable main heroine ever

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:59:25 2009 No.2849066 >>2849058 Play the game first, and stop trolling 1/10.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 07:59:25 2009 No.2849069 >>2848688 I BET YOU ARE TOUCHING YOURSELF AT NIGHT

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:00:25 2009 No.2849071 >>2849066 I have and my conclusion was that only narcisstic self-centered dicks like Saya.

>>	Lambda !DELTATiWVA Sat Jun 27 08:02:25 2009 No.2849078 >>2849058 And I cheered for Saya raping that other woman because my morals are questionable. Both scenes served me well in understanding saya's innocence and cruelty a bit better and feeling with her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:02:25 2009 No.2849080 >>2849071 And my conclusion is that you're just trolling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:03:25 2009 No.2849081 >>2849049 I am so glad we came to an agreement! High five!

>>	Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. Sat Jun 27 08:05:25 2009 No.2849090 >>2848595 NITRO+ Mother fucker where is it in your shit list?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:06:25 2009 No.2849092 >>2849081 I never disagreed with you actually, I 'm a different poster than most of the fucktards that posted here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:06:25 2009 No.2849094 >>2849080 What's so hard to understand with disliking Saya as main heroine? She's more like a cute crazy villain, and she deserved even worse thanthe rape scene.

>>	Lambda !DELTATiWVA Sat Jun 27 08:08:25 2009 No.2849101 >>2849071 Can't deny that. I still like being helpful though. Taking part in other people's happiness is nice.

Lambda !DELTATiWVA Sat Jun 27 08:13:25 2009 No.2849111

>>2849094
I don't believe in equal treatment or fairness. I live in a fantasy world, why should I? Of course I act reasonable in reallive because it offers the most benefits to me right now (particularly because I have some empathy that I cherish for variety, but that's just an extra..)

Because of that I consider everything good unless I dislike it.

>>	Lambda !DELTATiWVA Sat Jun 27 08:15:25 2009 No.2849119 >>2849094 I do understand your point though, but I feel sad for you, if you base your opinion on mere values of society.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:19:25 2009 No.2849125 >>2849094 Because stories should only be about nice people who donate to charity and pray everyday amirite?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:22:25 2009 No.2849126 >>2849119 To be fair, its impossible to develop ones morals without significant divestment from society. unless you're a sociopath.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:24:25 2009 No.2849133 >>2849126 Or Tarzan

>>	Lambda !DELTATiWVA Sat Jun 27 08:35:25 2009 No.2849164 >>2849126 Ah, that's plausible. Having somewhat open minded parents and a mental distance to my friends did it for me probably.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:40:25 2009 No.2849177 >>2849125 What's your problem? I don't really like Saya as mh and that's it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:43:25 2009 No.2849182 OP is the best troll that we had in some time now. Seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:44:25 2009 No.2849186 >>2849133 or retard tarzan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKpI9ND7KHo

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 08:59:25 2009 No.2849215 yes. yes.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 10:27:25 2009 No.2849481

*Browses through the mix of trolls trolling trolls and legitimate responses throughout this thread*

You know, quite frankly, I don't play VNs or eroge for the porn anymore. I used to play them solely for it, but as I've grown older and matured, I've found myself instead making attachments to characters and seeing them more as real people than as just objects to masturbate to. Crying at highly emotional scenes, laughing at inter-character comedy, and so on, it has all become part of how I enjoy the games. Actually, I've found myself unable to fap to a lot of the characters in more plot-intensive games, given that that tends to ruin my image of them, and dirty it.

So, in my own way, I do agree with OP. If I want my porn, I'm going to get it in a much easier, faster way. If I want a story where I can empathize and relate to characters, I'm going to read a VN.

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:23:25 2009 No.2850252

>>2849481
> *Browses through the mix of trolls trolling trolls and legitimate responses throughout this thread*

> using ** to mark an action like a shitty RP board

Stop that. You're making yourself look silly. This is not a board where we do things like that.

And by the by, you're not fooling anyone, we know you're OP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:25:25 2009 No.2850260 >>2849481 > Browses through the mix of trolls trolling trolls and legitimate responses throughout this thread > actionmarks I smell RP. That's EXTRA heretical!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:28:25 2009 No.2850278 >>2848595 video games will no longer progress if VNs are not alot to roam free in the wild of the internet

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:34:25 2009 No.2850306 >>2848857 Oh yea? Tell me why Fate Stay Night is allowed to have an anime even though it was nothing but making people fap to Sabre? And also even though the anime had no sex in it, it is still a good series to begin with.

CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Sat Jun 27 13:36:25 2009 No.2850309

*sees shit thread, clicks reply*

*tries to think of a your mom joke but doesn't feel like reading anything in this shitty thread*

*decides not to post but the back button is too far and backspace won't work because im clicked in the text box.*

*presses submit*

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:38:25 2009 No.2850315 >>2850306 But... but Fate/Stay Night anime wasn't good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:41:25 2009 No.2850335 >>2850315 As a stand-alone series (forget adaptation), it wasn't bad, and it had a pretty good appeal, including people who has no idea about the sex.

>>	Anonymous ‮^_^ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA Sat Jun 27 13:41:25 2009 No.2850336 >>2850309 grabs dick

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:42:25 2009 No.2850341 >>2850309 Reported for RP.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat Jun 27 13:43:25 2009 No.2850346 >>2850341 >reported for RP. oh u.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:43:25 2009 No.2850350 >>2850336 Reported for RP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:44:25 2009 No.2850358 >>2850335 Not bad, but not good. Mediocre, maybe even decent. I'll give you that. And a kiss.

>>	Suigin !YUsuiginy. Sat Jun 27 13:45:25 2009 No.2850363 reports for RP

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:45:25 2009 No.2850367 >>2850358 Avoiding being BAD is a damn good step actually, regardless what whinefags say.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:46:25 2009 No.2850371 >>2849481 >If I want a story where I can empathize and relate to characters, I'm going to read a VN. And if I want a story where I can empathize and relate to characters, I'm going to read a book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:53:25 2009 No.2850420 >Only a few companies like Key, Type-Moon, and 07th expansion really take them seriously. I seriously don't think you've looked into this matter that much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:54:25 2009 No.2850424 >>2850371 I'd rather... actually, both of them are good mediums. There's no better or worse, only differences.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Jun 27 13:55:25 2009 No.2850431 It's like the endless summer has really made itself truly apparent! Mass suicide is the only solution to this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:56:25 2009 No.2850439 >>2850309 You have to press tab first if you click on the text box. Then backspace would work just fine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 14:03:25 2009 No.2850472 >>2850363 Reported for RP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 15:07:25 2009 No.2850772 >>2848599 thirded

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 16:40:25 2009 No.2851274

>>2850252
>>2850260
>>2850341

And you say I'm the one who was trolling. If you have time to bitch about fucking ASTERISKS, you have something wrong with you that I have a serious problem classifying.

Also, believe it or not, I am not the OP. For one, I don't like 07th Expansion, and two, I hate Sakura.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 16:46:25 2009 No.2851301 >>2848595 Most of key's games involve sex. Also, I was under the impression that rape games were banned. I have heard nothing about games with sex in them. For instance a game like Rapelay where the objective is to rape.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 16:10:36 2009 No.2851301,1 Excuse me, but what is everyone talking about in this thread? When did rape games get banned and where?

‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮ ‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮ Mon Jun 29 16:33:11 2009 No.2851301,2 [INTERNAL]

At 4:25PM on the 26th of June of the year 2009 I went for the second time that day to ghost /jp/.
Another thread caught my attention.
The image of a beautiful young imaginary 2D girl accompanied what otherwise would be a post to create a shitstorm in a board that had just too many of these kind of threads.
I thought about posting my thoughts but decided against it because I had none at the moment.
My mind was as blank as those rectangle pieces of paper that people put on printer trays. Square but stretched.

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