/tmg/ - Type-Moon General

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A place for discussion of the works by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON.

>Type-Moon Visual Novel Collection (in Japanese)
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

>Kara no Kyoukai – the Garden of Sinners
Kara no Kyoukai novel (in Japanese)
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/%E5%A5%88%E9%A0%88%E3%81%8D%E3%81%AE%E3%81%93_%E7%A9%BA%E3%81%AE%E5%A2%83%E7%95%8C/index.html
English translations by cokesakto
https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/
Kara no Kyoukai Anime Movies
https://nyaa.si/view/264295
Kara no Kyoukai Manga
https://nyaa.si/view/1187963

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime
https://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lY
Tsukihime PLUS-DISC
https://nyaa.si/view/453758
Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2502321
Tsukihime Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ

>Melty Blood
MELTY BLOOD PC Collection (updated 2018-05-30)
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
MBAACC - Community Edition
https://mega.nz/#!6FUx2C6a!L2AxbiQzPHtgRI3YPHv4NZfi2EYS9RMeNHoSp6pAcFw
Melty Blood Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwA
Melty Blood - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare Manga
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate
Fate stay night [Realta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2725572
Fate hollow ataraxia
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
Fate Zero
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-5XtCxJULf4YWZfSkZKWGc2S2M
Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/5943-Lord-El-Melloi-II-Case-Files?p=3041785&viewfull=1#post3041785
Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files Manga
https://mega.nz/folder/fQFiyY4I#UcZr7N0u3_35994pXKP8qw

>Mahou Tsukai no Yoru - Witch on the Holy Night
VN: https://mega.nz/#F!YVkkhAjQ!Ggu2BS3MDfaofporByJsFw
English Patch: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nUY3G5Z8tgBnfvELhbLiYhmLolDI2TwC/
French Patch: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french

Other works
>Angel Voice (A doujin anthology that contains the short novel "Notes." written by Nasu, and the Manga "clowick canaan-vail" drawn by Takeuchi.)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip
>Fate Apocrypha
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Fate Extra
https://cdromance.com/psp/fate-extra-mod/
>Fate Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silver
https://mega.nz/#!aAsCybqb!WwnKiMn_HK9HqvA_myhLn5GM0yeAv8TTxyQsWWpqaGs
>Fate strange Fake
https://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read
>Fate type Redline
https://mangadex.org/title/44059/fate-type-redline
>Fire Girl
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Mahou Tsukai no Hako: Starlit Marmalade manga
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/lli17cum6jzg7/Marmalade
>Tsuki no Sango
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx
>Tsuki no Sango Manga
https://mangadex.org/chapter/773842/1

Other links
>Beast's Lair
forums.nrvnqsr.com
>Encyclopedia of Type Moon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ
>Fate complete material II Character material
https://pastebin.com/Zjy1Sj6d (embed)
>Fate Art Books
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nmo3TqWLRgvl9M7MxzuWKDe3rAP1LVut?
>Fate Franchise Loseless Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g
>Type-Moon Comic Ace
https://web-ace.jp/tmca/
>TMdict
tmdict.com/
>Tsuki-kan (comprehensive record of real-world statements, interviews, Q&As, feature articles, etc)
tsukikan.com/
>Tsukihime Archives
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NBqMPjBkGiNk9vIgOtPyjNnpxeH5fmHI
>Tsukihime doujins from 2008
https://mega.nz/#!fHgSVb5L!EPDHKU2KHLdjW1bM2b0-VV7WzrA9xPqrLnJTu0AkwyY
>TYPE-MOON 10th Anniversary Phantasm translation
http://heavens-feel.com/type-moon_10_anniversary_phantasm_translation.html

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Medea!

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>>27105281
Friendly reminder that Medea is in a happy, loving relationship with Souichirou, and they even have a daughter.

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>>27105384
As it should be.
She deserve to be happy.

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>>27103980

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>>27103980
Where did this pairing come from anyway?

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>>27107438
From HA, where there was a decent bit of teasing from Rider to Ayako. Fue came along with One Day! and expanded on it, so yeah.

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>>27105384
If you told me their daughter is in FSF I'd believe you, shit is crazy

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>>27110394
No, she's in the spinoff manga for Tsukihime, drawing a blank on the name but it star's Shiki's cousin?

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>>27107438
Also rider sucked Ayakos blood in fate route and that's what the whole mugging shit with the infamous misogynist shirou screencap comes from

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>>27111125
Wait what?

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If shirou doesn't takes a piss or poop, I wonder if Arcueid shaves?

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>>27111286
He's talking about this part.

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>>27113066
Sorry I don't speak 'Shirou Harem Member', could I get a translation?

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>>27118489
mfw

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>>27110342

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I just want Hollow Ataraxia to have an anime. Is that too much?

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>>27123038
do you really want ufo to adapt something else, especially after the HF movies?

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>>27124204
UFO is fine, knock it off.

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What are these things? Wallets?

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>>27124725
Those are fridge magnets from the looks of it.

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>>27123038
Does it really need one?

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>>27127264
Yes.

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Someone can correct me on this but I used google translate to get the gist of this and I'm insanely amazed.

https://twitter.com/jyuri0606/status/1303895134669422593

So basically during the great east tsunami on Japan? A police cop was looking for a criminal during the tsunami happening? because the criminal stole a tsukhime disc and was asking in the neighborhood where is tsukihime? where is tsukihime? where is tsukihime? This elderly cop wanted to play it so much that his partner that was younger said, I will find that criminal!?

Jesus fuck this shit just adds another layer of how much tsukihime has effect on people and no doubt Japanese people. I mean I knew it inspired many Japanese creators and gauged a interest from visual novels in the 2000's but being alive and seeing this in 2020 is just bizarre. Then a year later type moon fest happens and they announced tsukihime remake. I think the most disappointed thing from them is not telling and updating the fans about tsukihime remake. I can't imagine you can at least do that!? How the fuck are these fans even alive? I would call them half alive or half dead?

After seeing that tweet, is just nothing but sheer appreciation of what TM once was.

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>>27131368
>poster gets his house looted while he was relocated to a temporary dwelling after the Tohoku disaster
>young cop on the case is shocked (for some fucking reason) that someone in the neighbourhood he often patrols had a semi-rare game in their possession
>says that he wanted to play it since the time he was in school but couldn't buy it back then (probably because of age restriction)
>older cop asks the poster if he could lend Tsukihime to a young cop if they find his stuff, poster agrees
>young cop says that he'll definitely find the culprit (but never does)
What a weird police officer. And I don't think Tsukihime is that exceptionally hard to find. Iirc anon from here managed to buy it somewhere, multiple times even.

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>>27113775
Mitsuziri got molested? Good, that'll teach her femininity.
>munches happily on rice

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>>27135355
based ginger

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What does it say about Nasu's world-view that he keeps recycling the "poor unlucky girl falls into villainy" victim-becomes-the-perpetrator concept?

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>>27113066
People say it's due to poor translation but the nip text is still pretty "what the heck" of a thing for Shirou to say. I mean, I get the general point he's going for, but this isn't clumsy translation at all.

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>>27118489
Make room Duke Nukem Forever.

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>>27138983
Yeah I always wondered if that part was translated correctly and it turned out the answer was "yes". Good job Takajun.

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>>27133336
You can find it on yahoo auctions but only for insane prices. It's reasonable rare. That's a crazy story though.

>>27131368
It's worth noting that the poster also thought he would be embarrassed by reporting that an adult game was stolen but it turned out to be alright.

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Sakura is the best heroine.

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>>27147062
No

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is blu's game translated yet?

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>>27135355
God I love Shirou

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>>27147062
Yeah true

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>>27147062
She is.

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Is there a VN for Zero?

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>>27153365
anon...

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>>27153365
In the right timeline, yes.

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>>27153365
Can there be Saber as a protagonist with an Iri route?

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Will there ever be a protagonist like him?

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>>27154299
Iri asshole on my tongue

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Do we know what happened in wars 1, 2, 3, and any others that took place before Zero? The participants and what turned everything into a war when it wasnt supposed to be a war? I remember something about Rin being related to that Hyena girl...

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>>27113066
Is this edited out in the real RN by nasu like the clock line?

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>>27156779
No, that screenshot is from RN. I don't know why the fuck nasu edited out the clock line.

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>>27156223
I think the First War was a friendly competition of sorts, like the Olympics? Second War ended in bloodshed and they decided to bring the Church to oversee it starting with the next one. 3rd was a death match from the start. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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>>27156223
>>27157232
Cant believe they never made a VN or LN about the first war. Young Zouken & Justeaze interactions seem like they’d be really interesting.

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>>27157566
Nasu started jerking off his extraverse like 4 years after /HA released and things have been going downhill ever since

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Thoughts? Is this better than what we ended up with?

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>>27153365
sure, if you speak Russian:
https://vndb.org/v15808

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>>27158795
Did they seriously use screenshots from the anime and then put text over it? Jesus christ

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>>27158875
as opposed to what? making their own art work?

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>>27158948
>making their own art work?
Duh? At least put some effort into this.

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>>27158795
This is the work of a madman.
Does it at least use text from the novels?

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The further i get into Zero, the more i think Iksander is Best Guy. What an absolute legend.

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>>27160074
>t. waver

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I like Kuuderes.

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>>27162529
too bad fate doesn't really have any.

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I think fate is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills servants and doesn’t afraid of anything.

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Havent played FHA yet, is it... complete? Or is it unfinished, like Tachyon: The Fringe is and they had to rush it out the door?

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>>27163344
it was finished years ago, and had the voice patch applied years-1.5 ago.

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>>27163344
Huh? It’s totally complete. You should know that it’s primarily a fanservice disk though, only about 10% of the scenes are about the core story. If you want more of the characters interacting with each other & some more backstory about them, read it.

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>>27163697
Only reason i asked is because i'm going through the tv tropes page (i know i know) and what they were saying about the continuity made me think they were not done writing it when the game was released.

On another note, for FSN and FHA, do you have to do all the bad ends to get 100% completion?

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>>27163558
Reminder that the english translation would still be incomplete if it wasn't for this guy.

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>>27163910
o7

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>>27163910
what was that other faggot waiting for?
the english patch?

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A part of me thinks FHA was planned before FSN was released. It would be dumb not to reuse the assets they already had and fill it with some canon lore along the way.

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Nasu needs to empower his female characters more! Give Kohaku an OnlyFans and make half the male cast simp for her!

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>>27164816
The fact that a lot of the scenes that talk about the grail war are about the Fate routes’ events could be an indicator they were being written concurrently in FSN earlier stages.

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>>27165545
Does Kohaku have a bush?

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>>27164816
>>27165608
It's likely. Don't know if the main story itself was conceived at that point, but they probably were certain that they were going to release a fandisc afterwards.

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>>27156718

"Fine, I'll do it myself."

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>>27156718
>>27176114
>wanting yet another layer of cancer in the TM soup
Gachafags are bad enough tyvm.

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Was he right to indulge in his desires, or should he have just remained reserved his entire life?

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>>27179970
reserved. maybe find a more benign outlet if he must.

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> Watch HF3
> FGO tertiary sits to the left of me

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>>27186285
> Get out from cinema
> Some zoomer trying to explain half a bible long of Heaven's Feel to their boomer mum.

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>>27123038
I'm split. In one hand it means there will be more normalfags and tertiaries are exposed the Sekai Ichi no Servant: Medea and Caren-chan and it hopely make for some good cosplays, in the other hand it means they need to animate two different anime, one for the side story and it would be animated like slice of life, the other anime animates the main plot.

Apparently Emiya-san Chi no Gohan is not enough for normalfags to start cosplaying Medea

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the most kino anime ever made

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Hey guys check out my Kiritsugu AMV with Linkin Park - In The End https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHQq1MVStCQ

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>>27193623
whoa, bro, that's so awesome!

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>>27186285
What were they saying?

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>>27186285
theaters are open now?

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>>27186285
>watch HF 2
>sex scene happens
>theater bursts out in laughter and shouts to one another
secondaries and tertiaries are one thing, but when did we get flooded with retarded children?

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When you play FSN/FHA, do you have to get all the bad ends to get 100% completion?

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>>27194097
>>27198885
FHA: Yes.

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>>27194097
they said what?
>>27195524
Yeah, they aired it for some days now. Cinemas have been open for at least a month
>>27197407
blame anime getting into the mainstream.
I haven't watched HF1 and HF2 but HF3 is pretty faithful to Realta Nua.
>>27198885
FHA: yes.
Forgot about FSN. FSN doesn't have a completion meter.

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>>27199303
>>27199421
Thanks.

Fun fact: I've gotten into Fate the same way i got into GuP, SAO, and half a dozen other anime series; the Abridged version.

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>>27156223
Faldeus says in F/SF that his grandpa participated in the Third War. Nasu probably gave him the greenlight to do that because he doesn't care. It still leaves some slots open if you count the Three Families and the Edelfelts.

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The purpose of the grail war was to sacrifice 7 heroic spirits in order to access the Root. Are the spirits permanently eliminated, and therefore unable to be resummoned? Or do they return to the Throne with no memory of what transpired?

>>27200549
So we have no real info on wars 1 and 2.

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How do I get a Maiya gf?

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>>27197407
>>sex scene happens
Dammit, blood sucking is much more interesting than sex. It's another trait Sakura shares with Rider.
Oh well, wasn't interested in watching HF movies anyway.

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boys i need help, i can't get the Mahou installer to run properly. It only installs 3.9 MB and then stops the installation

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>>27205252
Maybe try something else to mount the disc image.

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>>27204164
You got it wrong. They do the blood sucking in the moves for mana transfer. The sex wasn’t about that.

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>>27204164
You got it wrong. They do the blood sucking in the movies for mana transfer. The sex wasn’t about that.

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>>27205941
So why do they have sex if it's not for transferring mana?

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>>27200597
The second, Heroic Spirits aren't people or the record in the Throne. They're just temporary copies.

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>>27205986
...Huh. What if you want to summon one without the Grail? Does it just require the standard summoning we see plus a boatload of power? Maybe an item if you are going for a specific servant?

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>>27205986
Had to wonder, seeing Saber of Black pulling out his own freaking heart and giving it to Sig.

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>>27205959
Anon, Shirou & Sakura being actual lovers is a really important aspect of their relationship in Heaven’s Feel. Ufotable knew this, so while they did keep the bloodsucking, they also kept the sex. In the movie, Sakura initiates sex with Shirou after she becomes anxious that Rin is taking Shirou away from her.

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>>27198885
>>27199777
You do need all of them to see the ending to Taiga Dojo, which is the true ending.

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>>27205941
>>27206274
Before they did the blood sucking, Sakura was about to bring sex up but stopped herself because she wasn't ready. Sudou knew whether they were going to be accurate to the original or Realta Nua was a point of contention with the theatrical adaptations, so he decided to use elements from Realta Nua to keep people guessing and build suspense.

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I was just thinking, what would a pre-Angra Mainyu Holy Grail try and do to grant Kiritsugu Emiya's wish of a utopia? I just had the thought in my mind and trying to put together a somewhat plausible idea of how it would have worked.

If I had to guess, I would say that using its mana to summon heroic spirits or some kind of counter force like Alaya does, it would try and purge all "Evil" or very harmful human beings before they could cause destruction, a la Psycho-Pass or maybe like Madoka, or even Death Note.

It would be in line with Kiritsugu's methods of trying to get world peace, like Natalia said, the only way he can prevent something like Alimango from ever happening again is by killing all the people who are like Norikata Emiya.
Angry Manjew kind of deprives us of seeing a proper logical extreme to Kiritsugu's ideals by instead giving us an ultra logical extreme of "everybody dies lol", but I feel like a non-corrupt Holy Grail might actually grant a wish that while imperfect, does lead to a closer vision of Kiritsugu's "utopia".
The only question is how would the grail even achieve such a thing? It's capable of reaching The Root by just using an obscene amount of prana to I guess poke a hole in the world or some shit, but can it produce enough prana to somehow sustain a powerful enough counter balance against all potential major evils in the world? Would the Human Order just bitch slap the Holy Grail for trying to do such a thing?

Any thoughts on this?

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>>27206974
The only way to eliminate conflict as a concept is to eliminate all forms of scarcity, so it would probably have to involve making literally all living things true magicians or merging the universe into a singular infinite entity. The alternative is probably like Requiem or some shit because that's more interesting.

Anyways, the entire scene where Kerry confronted the grail was written like dog shit with a fallacious, unnecessary thought experiment when simply burying Kerry in negative sentiment like what happened to Shirou and Saber would've been far more effective and highlights Butcher's inability to sympathize with humans. It also was originally supposed to blow up when Kirei touched it.

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>>27207468
Why was it so hard to make the ending match up with what FSN said? I’d rather Zero never exist than be this weird pseudo-prequel

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>>27206802
Oh, well, still don't like the inclusion of sex.

>>27206274
Never understood the whole "sex =love" thing. It seemed an excuse for characters being horny. Idk, there are other ways to show form affection outside of sex.

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>>27208976
Why is a modern day puritan posting in a thread about a company who made it big by making eroge?

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>>27208976
Meant for >>27206274

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>>27208976
I mean, it’s two teenage characters who’ve been horny for each other for a while. Having sex made their relationship feel more real to me.

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>>27207468
>Anyways, the entire scene where Kerry confronted the grail was written like dog shit with a fallacious, unnecessary thought experiment when simply burying Kerry in negative sentiment like what happened to Shirou and Saber would've been far more effective
Part of the point is that Angra Mainyu views Kiritsugu as being the one who understands what it means to "bear all the world's evils" though, which is why the grail essentially exemplifies favoritism and gives him the wish rather than Kirei. From the moment Kiritsugu says "If I am to carry all the evils of this world, then let it be so. If that will save the world, I will gladly accept it.” in volume 3 after killing Kayneth, the grail likely favors him.
He shows Kiritsugu this thought experiment because he believes it will indeed work in combination with taking Irisviel's form when presenting the wish to him, Manjew's issue was grossly misjudging Kiritsugu's character.

Also, I don't recall the curses doing shit to Shirou, so I don't see how that would have made a difference here.
The real correct thing would have been to tip the scale in Kirei's favor.

>It also was originally supposed to blow up when Kirei touched it.
Is that not what happened though? I always interpreted the ending of Fate/Zero as being Angra Mainyu reaching out to Kirei before his death, just like it reached out to Kiritsugu right before him and Kirei were about to kill each other.
Thus, what happens at the end is Kirei's unconscious wish, his desire being realized by the grail partially. That's even what Gilgamesh says at the end. This isn't the part of the ending that's incongruent with Fate/Stay Night.

>>27207945
Hate me if you want, but I'm one of those people who prefer Fate/Zero to Fate/Stay Night so I'd rather it exist than not, even if it doesn't always line up with the bits of details on the Fourth Grail War that we get in Stay Night, it makes for a better standalone story than if it tried too hard to kowtow to Stay Night's outline of the previous Grail War..

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>>27209778
Fate Zero is a proper Greek Tragedy. I think they would have been proud.

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Speaking of Zero’s inconsistencies, I never hear Kiritsugu’s death talked about much. Kotomine says multiple times in FSN that HE was the one that killed Kiritsugu, but in Zero it’s Angra Mainyu that curses him. Is this an inconsistency or did I miss something somewhere?

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>>27209163
We both know even if Fate was released as a normal VN, it doesn't change its greatness.

>>27209770
Eh, guess I'm in the minority who thinks sex is pretty unnecessary outside of breeding in media.

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>>27210297
Kotomine lies as easily as he breaths.

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>>27210337
F/SN would be objectively worse without Tohsaka's anus.

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>>27210297
>HE was the one that killed Kiritsugu
When did he say that? He said he defeated him but I don't think ever actually said he killed him (someone can correct me here if I'm wrong). Kiritsugu dies in F/SN from grail aids too. There's not a difference.

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>>27207945
Everything about it was originally just background for FSN and the details were there to give it more significance. The entire story was already told. Someone got the bright idea to turn it into a full-fledged story, but there wouldn't be much of a story to tell much like if you didn't take every returning character's character development that happened in their lives before the war and put them into the war, even if it just turns them into embarrassments such as with Saber.

>>27209778
I understand why it was written the way it was. That doesn't make All the Evils of the World acting like an edgy 1st year philosophy student and providing sophistry that falls apart in five seconds of closer observation any less stupid.
>I don't recall the curses doing shit to Shirou
>how to spot a secondary

>>27210023
lolno

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>>27210297
Kirei also bitterly says that the fire was caused due to cowardly master who constantly ran from battles (Kiritsugu) getting ahold of the grail. Even in Fate/Stay Night, Kirei was supposed to be an unreliable narrator, Fate/Zero at least lines this unreliable narration up by having Kirei absolutely seethe when he mistakes Kiritsugu heading in his direction as a challenge for a final fight only to then realize Kiritsugu's not even regarding him at all.

Also in Fate/Stay Night it's stated that Angra Mainyu's curses is what killed Kiritsugu. It wouldn't make sense for Kiritsugu to be killed by Kirei given Shirou witnesses Kiritsugu's death.

>>27210824
>That doesn't make All the Evils of the World acting like an edgy 1st year philosophy student and providing sophistry that falls apart in five seconds of closer observation any less stupid.
>I don't like that the deranged murderous psycho thought he found another deranged murderous psycho and acted as such so i think the writing iz stoopid ;( ;( ;(

>how to spot a secondary
Shirou literally tanks the curses in Fate and Heaven's Feel, unless you're crying about me not recalling some obscure bad ending like a faggot.

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>>27206974
I think FGO lore explains that one of the three families learned of Gaia/Alaya's Counter Force/Counter Guardian system and recreated it for the HGW. If Kiritsugu won and wished upon an untainted grail, if he used that method on a worldwide scale, magic could lose its mystery (he wouldn't mind though). But if the Einzbern hadn't fucked with the system in the third war they wouldn't have resorted to hiring Kiritsugu in the first place.

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>>27210758
>When?
Right before Shirou & Kotomine fight.
>died from grail aids in FSN
Yeah, but before Zero it was assumed Kirei put that curse onto Kiritsugu like he did to Shirou in the fate route.
>>27211020
>Unreliable narrator
Sure, but that doesn’t seem to be what this instance is trying to be. Kotomine also told Tohsaka that he killed her father & that turned out to be totally true. This was probably supposed to be true too before Zero.

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>>27211594
How did Kirei kill Kiritsugu though?
Fate/Zero did nothing different from what Fate/Stay Night shows in this instance, as Fate/Zero just goes with how he did in Fate/Stay Night, sitting with Shirou.
Unless Kirei is claiming Kiritsugu's death as his own killing because Kiritsugu died from the curses of the grail mud that Kirei caused that line makes no sense even in the context of only Fate/Stay Night.

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>>27211594
Gonna need this in Japanese.

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>>27211750
>How did Kirei kill Kiritsugu though?
Before Zero the assumption was that Kirei did exactly what he did to Shirou in the fate route: use the mud to put that curse onto him. He gradually got weaker over the years & died next to Shirou. Thus Kotomine killed him.
I’m arguing that Zero created an inconsistency by removing Kotomine from Kiritsugu’s death & making Angra Mainyu the killer.

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>>27212166
Why would Kirei be able to do that at the time of Fate/Zero though? He was shot by Kiritsugu and killed, Angra Mainyu revived him -- that is also according to Fate/Stay Night.
Are we to then believe that Kirei was revived with no heart and then threw the grail mud at Kiritsugu afterwards when Fuyuki already burned or something?

That timeline makes no sense, Fate/Zero isn't the one that created an inconsistency here, if it depicted Kirei getting into a second fight with Kiritsugu and him throwing the mud and running away, there would be an even more nonsensical incongruence between Zero and Stay Night.
If we believe that translation is correct, then it's Stay Night which fucked up. Again, that's the wrong incongruence to lay at the feet of Zero.

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>>27211594
>>27212044
Alright so yeah he does actually say it.
>what did Nasu mean by this

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>>27212402
>it's Stay Night which fucked up. Again, that's the wrong incongruence to lay at the feet of Zero.
How can it not be Zero’s fault? Everything makes sense when reading FSN, it was Zero’s responsibility to come in & show events correctly.
>Are we to then believe that Kirei was revived with no heart and then threw the grail mud at Kiritsugu afterwards when Fuyuki already burned or something?
What’s so unbelievable about this? Fuck you for killing me & destroying the grail, have a curse, bitch. Also what do you mean about no heart? He’d have the heart Angra gave him.

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>>27212664
Thanks for grabbing the jap screencap. Yeah, it’s always bothered me, but unlike a lot of other inconsistencies, I never hear anyone talking about this one.

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>>27212802
I flat out didn't remember it. I wouldn't call it an inconsistency, but I don't know what Kotomine means by 殺し here. Perhaps, the implication is that Kotomine himself infected Kiritsugu with mud? That's really fucking subtle though.

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>>27212746
>Everything makes sense when reading FSN, it was Zero’s responsibility to come in & show events correctly.
>What’s so unbelievable about this? Fuck you for killing me & destroying the grail, have a curse, bitch.
I just can't imagine this. Kiritsugu sorting through the wreckage of the Fuyuki fire only to have Kirei flank him, throw mud, and then scamper away, it just looks so ridiculous and childish in my mind.
If Kirei threw mud at Kiritsugu, why would he stop there? Why wouldn't he just fight and kill Kerry there? Fate/Stay Night only mentions that they fought once, and that Kiritsugu had defeated Kirei, so it makes no sense that they would have a second encounter where Kirei gets to throw mud at Kiritsugu and then run for whatever reason.

It just doesn't make any sense. The only way I can make sense of this is if he's claiming that due to the grail mud falling due to it being HIS wish, he is the one who killed Kiritsugu.
It doesn't make sense in the context of Fate/Stay Night itself.

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Retarded interpretation: Kotomine was actually talking about Shirou's biological father not Kiritsugu.

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>>27212984
>The only way I can make sense of this is if he's claiming that due to the grail mud falling due to it being HIS wish, he is the one who killed Kiritsugu
This wouldn’t make sense though. The grail mud that fell never cursed Kiritsugu, it was Angra (in the form of Irisviel) who cursed him after he rejected the grail.
>Kiritsugu sorting through the wreckage of the Fuyuki fire only to have Kirei flank him, throw mud, and then scamper away, it just looks so ridiculous and childish in my mind.
The way I’d write is that Kirei curses him & then leaves him for dead in the great fire, thinking the initial effects of the curse would leave him unable to escape. Meets up with Gilgamesh, sees that he’s incarnated into the world, & they both head back to the church. Kiritsugu finally pulls himself together, finds Shirou, & gets him to the hospital. Idk, it doesn’t seems all that ridiculous to me, & the timeline is made consistent.

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>>27213047
Kek, that’d actually be a funny excuse if anyone ever pressed Nasu or Urobuchi on the issue.

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>>27213295
>The grail mud that fell never cursed Kiritsugu, it was Angra (in the form of Irisviel) who cursed him after he rejected the grail
No.
>He understood that his attempts had been in vain—recently, Kiritsugu had already faintly felt that his time was probably up. Cursed by the black mud, he probably did not have much time left.
The mud cursed him. Angra Mainyu dramatically says "I curse you! Angra Mainyu curses you!" but that's not what causes the curse, obviously, just like Diarmuid says "I curse the holy grail!" he's not actually cursing the holy grail, it's just dramatic irony.

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>>27213414
I see. Still though, it couldnt have been THAT hard for Zero to have been written so Kotomine is the one who delivers the mud onto Kiritsugu. Kotomine being the one who kills him feels so much more impactful than just Angra. Their whole fight probably should’ve changed to match what FSN says, same with Gil & Saber’s fight.

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>>27212664
>孤独 with ありのまま rubi
How can the English language even hope to compete?

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>>27211020
>Kirei also bitterly says that the fire was caused due to cowardly master who constantly ran from battles
Kirei was talking about himself in this context, which Shirou confirmed with him.

I'll break the Manjew scene down for you because you're actually retarded.
200 on one ship. 300 on the other.
First, it operates on the assumption that one person is capable of repairing a hull breach alone and is incapable of recruiting others to expedite the process or teach them while repairing it.
Second, it depends on Kiritsugu conveniently being on the ship with the lower number of people to justify killing them to help the others, said people collectively being selfish enough to prevent him from working on the more urgent ship first, and third, a ship that can carry 300 people but incapable of carrying 500. For reference, cruises can usually carry up to 3000 individuals plus luggage, to say nothing of cargo ships that carry far heavier things. Here's a simple equation to calculate a ship's capacity: Number of people = vessel length (ft.) x vessel width (ft.) ÷ 15. This would mean both ships have to conveniently be large luxury yachts that are already overcrowded for some reason. If this is not the case and the ship could carry at least 500 people without sinking, it relies on Kiritsugu refusing to try to persuade the smaller population through literally any non-violent means, which would probably be significantly faster than murdering 200 people singlehandedly.
Third, and the most damningly retarded element of this conflict, is the fact that the 300 crew would inexplicably move from a ship that is going to be repaired to one that is not despite the fact the ship that is intact was already proven to be capable of carrying them. There is no way to rationalize this absolutely ridiculous development. In addition, Kiritsugu, despite his protests and refusal due to not lining up with his morals, ultimately accepts Mainyu's logic from its perspective.
>b-b-but it was supposed to be stupid! muh characters!1!!
When two characters are in a philosophical debate with a clear winner and loser, it indicates the writer himself using the story as a mouthpiece for his worldview. It's necessary for the writer to have this thought process and put it to paper. If you want to argue that Urobuchi, who has a terrible habit of writing like this in complete sincerity and does so several times in FZ, held the readers with enough respect to expect them to understand how flawed this "ultra logical conclusion" is. Forgive me for finding that extremely unlikely when the rationalization for Mainyu providing this argument to begin with doesn't line up with the established functionality of the Holy Grail and is thus strictly used for thematic reasons, not to develop its superficial aspects.

>Shirou literally tanks the curses in Fate and Heaven's Feel
The fact you think that's the issue I was taking with what you typed is a pretty bad indicator of your reading comprehension.

>unless you're crying about me not recalling some obscure bad ending like a faggot
No, and there is no such thing as an obscure bad ending. All of them can easily be accessed by using the flowchart everyone has now or by simply following the hints contained in the Taiga Dojos and common sense, not to mention the in-game check-list. Each one is a completely plausible development of the story and is just as important as any other individual scene contained within it. I'd love to talk to you about the nuances of Urobuchi's writing style, his blind spots, and flaws, but you seem like you'd be incapable of rationally judging something on a technical level.

>>27212984
Here's another solution: it doesn't matter. They're two completely different stories and shouldn't be used in reference to each other or to judge one another.

>>27213696
Because then it would be reminiscent of Shirou's fight with Kirei in Fate when it was intended to evoke the final battle of HF.

>>27213698
There's nothing stopping English from being written with ruby text even if its not conventional.

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>>27206061
That's why the Holy Grail (the Fuyuki one at least) requires 60 years to amass enough mana to summon pathetic heroic spirits, because it uses the class system to approximate a heroic spirit even with 60 years of mana. Even if you have enough mana, the Servant summoned can just kill you without Makiri's command spell.

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>>27213698
>>27213855
The beautiful chuuniness of that text is what makes Nasu Nasu and it's impossible to convey that in english.

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>>27214070
EOP here
I don’t get it. Can you explain?

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>>27220067
English is a very simple language compared to japanese, which makes translating something and trying to keep the entire meaning intact very difficult. Way more difficult if you were to say, translate german. They have 2 alphabets, english has 1. They have Kanji, english has no kanji. A Furigana-like system really doesn't truly exist in english. Furigana is essentially writing katakana/hiragana above kanji to help out readers for the more complex ones, but writers quickly discovered you can use it to give sentences double meanings instead, this is very commonly used by chuuni VN and LN writers. You can write shit like "His sword[lightning] pierced through my shield" to say his sword strike was as fast or powerful as lightning. But writing that way is not commonplace at all in western countries, so the translator will usually rework the sentence into something like "His sword pierced through my shield as if it was lightning" to make it work. But in some cases it is next to impossible to make the sentence work, often the furigana and base kanji will be complete opposites of each other to imply a mental conflict of the character for example. If the translator encounters a case where he feels he cannot make it work he simply chooses which one is the least serious loss and drops the other one entirely. A localizer might start writing complete fanfiction in an attempt to convey both at the same time. One Mahoyo translation project on fuwanovel felt furigana was important enough that the translator decided to convert the furigana system to english, and it does truly look strange. I can think of very few other examples, it is pretty much industry standard for everything to drop the system. Using Furigana, you can, in theory, write 2 entirely different sentences that are displayed at the same time and the translator will just want to shoot himself in the fucking head. One recent example I can think of is the FGO summer event where Mashu actually does this to convey to the reader that something very fucked up is going on. Even moving away from Furigana you have shit like 900000 different ways of spelling "I" that all reveal different personality traits to readers and several hundred hyper autistic speech ticks that really have no equal in english, like nojalolis, so translators will usually try to rewrite all the dialogue to be read in some random accent they feel fits and gets close enough or drop it entirely.

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>>27165545
I sincerely hope you die of AIDS for making me read this

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>>27222338
tl;dr japanese is retarded

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>>27224543
You have no idea. How you write/say the days of the month in japanese is one of the most retarded thing I've ever seen.

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>>27226393
How does it compare on a scale of 1 to French numbers?

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why did this suddenly become abstract prose poetry

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>>27220067
It's hard to explain. F/SN is well known as a chunnige (and so is type-moon stuff in general). I assume you have a general feel for what chuuni is (superpowers, tons of fights, secret organizations, etc.) What makes this different from English is that the underlying language/prose itself to changes from "normal" Japanese. The way Kotomine talks in this text is nothing like what a real person in Japanese would actually say (at least non-ironically anyway). It's chuuni as fuck, but that's okay because it's fucking cool. I mean look at this shit:

>外界との隔たりをもったものが、
That's just a really fancy way of saying "weird/different/outcast one". You could easily just rephrase this as something like:
>異端者が、

But that's not nearly as cool. You'll notice that the english translation just says "when you are different from others". That's not wrong, but it doesn't have nearly the same connotation that the Japanese line does. You could attempt to do some fancying rephrasing, but it'll probably just sound retarded instead of sounding cool because chuuni fundamentally doesn't exist in English.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSu3srARXP0

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>>27199421
wait are they open in burgerland or is aniplex still mogging us

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>>27222338
didn't the HA translation have some instances of this? like a few small words over other words, or some shit.

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>>27230203
>because chuuni fundamentally doesn't exist in English

that's called camp/campy

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>>27234225
What? Being campy is humorous. It's not even close to being the same.

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>>27234471
>absurdly exaggerated, artificial, or affected in a usually humorous way

not only humorous. it's exactly the same what you described. nobody talks like james bond does, 'but that's okay because it's fucking cool'. right? your only beef with the translation that it's a shitty translation made without much effort put into adapting the camp

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>>27222338
>the translator will usually rework the sentence into something like "His sword pierced through my shield as if it was lightning" to make it work. But in some cases it is next to impossible to make the sentence work, often the furigana and base kanji will be complete opposites of each other to imply a mental conflict of the character for example. If the translator encounters a case where he feels he cannot make it work he simply chooses which one is the least serious loss and drops the other one entirely
tl;dr translators are hacks instead of just keeping the ruby text. It's not a difficult concept to understand.

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>>27234849
>nobody talks like james bond does
I've never seen a James Bond movie (aside from one I barely remember so it might as well not count as seeing it), so I don't know if this is true or not. Regardless, it's not at all the same thing. Chuuni isn't just "an exaggeration". In this discussion, it's a genre/style of a fictional work that consists of many different elements (detailed fantastical settings, superpowers, philosophies, etc.)

>translation
When some character randomly shows up and starts using some fucking obscure word like 拙者 to refer to themselves, である's all over the place, and just talks like a fucking weirdo in a particular Japanese way, there's no way to really translate that in English. You have to compromise which loses the intent of the original.

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>>27230203
>because chuuni fundamentally doesn't exist in English.
not really nowadays we have really good Don Quixote English translations that even manage to do justice to the humor in some parts. It's just that Japanese is a retarded language

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>>27235548
Disregarding the other anon's oversimplification, it's not like the chuuni genre can't be comprehended in English. You're explaining it now, aren't you?

Furthermore, the issue you take with loss of meaning applies to literally everything in translation, even loanwords. The task is to find the closest possible analogue. I don't think pseudo-medieval Japanese and pseudo-medieval English are that detached from one another. The actual quality of the execution is another matter.

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>>27235726
I don't know Spanish so I can't judge that.

>>27235742
It can be comprehended sure, but can it be translated well into English? I'm of the opinion, "not really".

>Furthermore, the issue you take with loss of meaning applies to literally everything in translation, even loanwords.
I don't disagree. I would argue that chuuni stuff is higher on the level of difficulty than say, a standard mystery novel in Japanese. You could attempt to go the pseudo-medieval English route and that's probably about the closest you'll get, but essentially that would just be shoving in thou's and art's and so on. It's not like you could convey some of the stranger sentence structures.

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>>27236085
To elaborate, I think it works the other way around too. I don't know if any of you guys have read any of those super flowery old English novels with very detailed, beautiful prose. Good fucking luck translating that shit.

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Abashed, abased, lowered,
Abate, depress, calm,
Abought, paid for,
Abraid, started,
Accompted, counted,
Accorded, agreed,
Accordment, agreement,
Acquit, repay,
Actually, actively,
Adoubted, afraid,
Advision, vision,
Afeard, afraid,
Afterdeal, disadvantage,
Againsay, retract,
Aknown, known,
Aligement, alleviation,
Allegeance, alleviation,
Allow, approve,
Almeries, chests,
Alther, gen. pl., of all,
Amounted, mounted,
Anealed, anointed,
Anguishly, in pain,
Anon, at once,
Apair, weaken,
Apparelled, fitted up,
Appeach, impeach,
Appealed, challenged, accused,
Appertices, displays,
Araged, enraged, ; confused,
Araised, raised,
Arase, obliterate,
Areared, reared,
Armyvestal, martial,
Array, plight, state of affairs,
Arrayed, situated,
Arson, saddle-bow,
Askance, casually,
Assoiled, absolved,
Assotted, infatuated,
Assummon, summon,
Astonied, amazed, stunned,
At, of, by,
At-after, after,
Attaint, overcome,
Aumbries, chests,
Avail (at), at an advantage,
Avaled, lowered,
Avaunt, boast,
Aventred, couched,
Avised, be advised, take thought,
Avision, vision,
Avoid, quit,
Avoided, got clear off,
Avow, vow,
Await of (in), in watch for,
Awayward, away,
Awke, sideways,

>>27236085
I think you're overestimating the similarities between Middle English and Modern English as well as how many rules there are for how sentences have to be structured in English. The actual translatability of something is way too vague and relative to be determined of something can be "translated" or not. A good translation or not, what a translator could potentially provide simply is.

>>27236130
Which is why editors load them with footnotes.

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Would someone mind td;lr'ing some Fate info? Read the original VN and played Extra, reading about CCC it's the sequel about the game but seems pretty linear but then reading about Extella the story seems to take a dip? Could someone who's played it clairy a bit more about it and what about Link does it connect to the stories? If I skipped CCC and Extella could I jump into Link?

I heard Extella I think it was that ruined Tamao's and Nero's characters by making them really one dimensional

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>>27235420
Even if you want to keep it good luck convincing your boss that it will generate more sales. Good luck convincing your engineer it's worth all the potential bugs. Good luck convincing other translators that this is the way it should be done when they are already campaigning against shit like honorifics for entirely retarded reasons

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>>27235548
>detailed fantastical settings, superpowers, philosophies

i don't really understand how's these elements are a part of a character speaking in a campy way. maybe instead of picking james bond as an example of western camp, i should have picked batman TAS. it also has fantastical settings, superpowers, and philosophies with campy characters

>You have to compromise which loses the intent of the original

isn't the goal of translation is exactly to convey the intent of the author instead of just giving literal word-by-word translation? so far all you been saying that's this shit is impossible to translate, but what i've seen is the fact that translators just didn't try hard enough to be autistic about it

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>>27236579
are we talking about fan translation or pro? i thought FSN was a fan translation

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>>27236360
>I think you're overestimating the similarities between Middle English and Modern English as well as how many rules there are for how sentences have to be structured in English. The actual translatability of something is way too vague and relative to be determined of something can be "translated" or not. A good translation or not, what a translator could potentially provide simply is.
I'm certainly not going to pretend to be a Middle English expert so you could very well be right there. The translatability of something isn't something I view as a binary operation, but more of a sliding scale. Some things are definitely a lot more difficult than others. Translating Nasu's stuff I would argue is pretty much "hard mode".

>Which is why editors load them with footnotes.
At that point you've already lost and are compromising.

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>>27236470
the Extraverse timeline is pretty weird, but only Extra and CCC are worth playing (reading)anyway.

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>>27236470
CCC ends in a way that makes it entirely irrelevant for the timeline no matter which ending you get. Because Nasu is a hack he choose to make Extella another alternate universe and a sequel to an extra timeline that is different from the game, he just posted a bunch of cliffnotes on his blog and there's like 3 throwaway sentences ingame. I wouldn't recommend Link simply because the entire story is like 5 hours of pure filler, Extella is trash too but at least it has text volume. I'd honestly suggesting just not playing either of them. but if you want to keep up with Nasu's modern sci-fi lore bullshit instead of not bothering with the franchise anymore Extella is very mandatory.

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>>27236806
Nasu has a blog?

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>>27236705
I don't disagree that it's a spectrum, but the point is that's not a spectrum that can be quantified, and where it falls will vary too widely depending on who you're asking. I don't think being grammatically correct matters so long as the intent is properly conveyed and the text can be understood, after all native speakers will speak in broken English all the time conversationally. As such, the only chuunige that's ever really intimidated me is KKK. I'd also like to qualify that I consider the practice of translation as a whole to be unethical. Translators are essentially pawning off copies that to the consumer, even if this isn't intended, is viewed as an original. It's interesting seeing misinterpretations of things snowball when it gets carried over to an isolated culture like Chinese fart magic, but correcting those misunderstandings takes a really long time.

>At that point you've already lost and are compromising.
This is and always will be a dumb meme, just like spoilers. You "lost" the moment you decided to show someone something that was rewritten. Simply changing the phonology and prosody is disastrous. If you're going to acknowledge translation as a practice, the most effective possible method should always be used. Footnotes are common practice literally everywhere outside of pop culture translations because people generally understand that they don't harm the experience if you ignore them and give you a greater understanding if you acknowledge them. It's literally just the best way to avoid changing the text. Does it need to be done without excess so it doesn't bog down the text, both in length and quantity? Yes. Is it at its best when, in the case of translation, provides a literal translation in addition to a different one within the text that benefits the experience the best? Yes. Anything is better than replacing an element of the original in its entirety.

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>>27236642
I know this sounds weird but it's not only limited to the way characters speak/the settings/etc. It seeps into the style of writing itself. It's hard to explain but chuunige writers all tend to write their prose in odd, strange ways (sometimes it could be considered exaggerated but it's not always that). One of the easier tells is that there's a tendency to use more obscure kanji (although I've seen this plenty outside of chuuni so this may just be a Japanese thing). It is, of course, a term invented on the internet so it's not like there's a strict criteria, but it's a useful term and encapsulates many things.

Pic related is an example from the first Demonbane game. If you've ever read/played it, this is just the beginning scene where Master Therion beats up on Al. However, the writing style here is very distinctively chuuni. All this text is just describing gunshots and using language like "刻まる" and "怪異は起きた" in this context is atypical.

>this shit is impossible to translate
Well I was originally just half shitposting so impossible isn't really accurate. I would consider it extremely difficult though.

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>>27237388
I think we agree more than disagree although you probably take a few more extreme positions than myself in some areas. I wouldn't consider translation unethical. More along the lines of a necessary evil (which maybe is technically still unethical. I'll let philosophers figure that out).

>You "lost" the moment you decided to show someone something that was rewritten.
I agree. I'm not against footnotes by any means. It's just that footnotes are an admission that you can't translate that part perfectly and thus require supplemental material to convey the meaning. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's less than ideal. But you are correct in pointing out that the very act of translating itself is less than ideal.

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>>27237201
http://www.typemoon.org/bbb/diary/

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>I'd also like to qualify that I consider the practice of translation as a whole to be unethical.
I know we're on 4chan and all, but fuck man, this type of autism is rare, only place I've ever found something similar was on /lit/.

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>>27237388
> I consider the practice of translation as a whole to be unethical
fucking lmao

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http://www.typemoon.org

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>>27237388
>tfw Fitzgerald is burning in hell for translating the Iliad

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>>27238819
>LAST-UPDATE 2003/10/01
wew

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Translate my cock into Rin’s ass.

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>>27237388
Reading is translating. You are converting what is objective and external (the writer's display of symbols) into something subjective and internal (your own personal understanding of the meaning of those symbols). Especially if you are not Japanese the language will have a very different meaning for you, which will deviate from the writer's original subjective and internal meaning, since it is culturally embedded in a very different understanding of the world.

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>>27239034
I will send a hate mail to that email they have in the site

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>>27239274
>Reading is translating.
This is a different definition of translating than what was used in the discussion but OK let's roll with it.

Reading in the native language:
>Author's words -> your internal translation/interpretation

Reading a translation:
>Author's words -> translator's internal translation/interpretation -> translator's words -> your internal translation/interpretation

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>>27179970
He was based
for that there is no sin
for that there was no sin to begin with

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>>27234035
Not a burger, checkmate.

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Heaven's Feel but Sakura keeps Saber Alter as her servant instead of Rider.

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>>27241338
cursed honestly seeing the HA version of Saber Alter

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Does the new movie do a good job of adaptating that final fist fight?

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>>27241780
no
no light and darkness
no 7 hit SAKULOVE combo
instead of best priest whooping the sword autists ass they're both kinda equally matched which is the most egregious sin
Kaijura SCREECHING
Like every final fight ufo ruined it

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>>27236728
I'll keep that in mind, I was kind of interested in Link since it seems like Musou game. I hope CCC gets a remake like Extra so I can finally play it I half wanted to play it because Karna's design

>>27236806
Because the protagonist gets a new body in the true end?But then what happened to the original and then in the first game they get deleted

Also are they still in the artificial body during the events of Extella? Why even make another timeline? I feel like Nasu doesn't even know what he's doing anymore. I still have faith in a Tsukihime remake somewhere before 2044 and I wish he would write more for DDD but I feel that's dead in the water, has it been mentioned in the past couple years? I understand that Fate right now is the cash cow that keeps giving but some would like if he went to his other works as well or just gave more of a nod to them. Or maybe he has but I just missed it.

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>>27163851
Yes

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any good kohaku doujins
I'll take hisui too

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>>27243551
Tsurui's Melty Blood doujins are short but I can coom to them every time I see them
goddanm you anon

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>>27242520
a new timeline was made to justify both Tamamo and Nero having history with you and wanting your dick/vag, and having MC stick around the Moon Cell with some other people we never see.

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>>27245103
Can a new timeline be made where I fuck ayako and ryougi for all eternity

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>>27245401
nah, it would get pruned.

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>>27245103
I want to ask if that's necessary but damn, seems like Archer and Gil got the short end of the stick there's not route for them where they thirst after the protag?

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>>27131368
It happens all the time with Japanese companies, more specifically in video games, where for one reason or another, they abandon a certain style or type of product and go off in another direction. I guess it's just uncommon for a visual novel company to do this. You can still love something even though you know you'll never get something similar again from the people that were once there or the company in charge. Nihon Falcom did the same thing when they shifted from making PC game to PSP games as a move to survive as a company and they effectively ended up courting younger gamers and leaving their old fans in the dust as a result. You can see the drastic design philosophy change from their games in 2007-2008 and what they released in 2010-2011 after shifting.
In any case, it's somewhat special that there is this much nostalgia for the old Type-Moon but it shouldn't be surprising given how big the market is for retro items of all types and kinds. But there isn't really any way the current Type-Moon can capitalize on it. They may just wait until the 25th anniversary or something but I don't trust the current Type-Moon to not screw the remake up and I've made my peace with the way things are so it really doesn't matter to me if it eventually releases or not.

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>>27245718
according to Extella Zero, a second MC (I think female) pops up and summons Archer, and you defeat near the end. Gil never felt anything romantic for FeMC in CCC. during Extella, they're just kind of there.

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>>27238819
Damn, going back through the archives makes me sad that I missed so much cool stuff. Does anyone know if anyone archived the mobile games? Also does anyone have any rare type moon memorabilia here?

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>>27245401
based department?

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>>27241780
>>27242092
Also an abridged version of the debate that cuts out the growth of their relationship and no EMIYA or Shirou giving Kirei happiness either

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>>27247677
They even cut the
"I like kotomine Kirei" line right

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>>27247817
Technically that was part of the narration, which is a big no-no in movies for some autistic reason, but yeah, they didn't even try.

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>>27247817
>>27248001
wtf I hate sudou now

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Why couldn't it be made?

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>>27247817
God fucking dammit

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>>27248557
Because it's not fate.

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>>27212984
POCKET MUD

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>>27242520
>CCC spoiler
In the normal/servant endings the timeline fixes itself and leads back into Extra, and then Extra plays out exactly however you played it. In the true ending Hakuno gets out by sakura power and probably start having sex the moment the credits start rolling, but because Nasu is Nasu and nothing can be simple anymore he apparently said that the mooncell will always create a copy of the protagonist no matter what happens so Extra will always happen no matter what and he will always get deleted. Or the last encore trashfire happens. So there might be hakuno on earth that impregnates sakura, but another Hakuno dies on the moon as he does so.

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Okay /tmg/.
For once and for all, what is the objectively BEST route from the Fate VN?
I say Heaven's Feel.

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>>27278851
Yes.

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Why does Tsukihime need a remake

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>>27279872
Because it's an nscripter game and type moon are the guys that made mahoyo.

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>>27279872
Hypothetically, Tsukihime with actual voice acting and good visuals would be a kamige of kamiges.

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>>27279872
Re-reading it earlier this year made many of the issue that I ignored when I was younger more apparent. The last two routes feel really short and don’t even have any conversations between Kohaku and Hisui and never really resolves their relationship. Having an interlude with them talking would be great in order to explore their relationship more. The lack of any battle music also hurts and the action scenes lack the edits that make FSN fights great. More music and voice acting would be great. Some more writing to expand the later routes would be good.

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>>27279872
I wouldn't be against it so long as the decided to make the character designs more like the original.

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>>27279872
I wouldn't be against it so long as they decided to make the character designs more like the original.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best version of the EMIYA theme?

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>>27278851
UBW is the best route, imo

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>>27282671
Realta Nua

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>>27278851
>>27279734
For the millionth fucking time THERE IS NO BEST ROUTE. Each route is dependent on the last to tell a complete story, which is all of them. You just get that impression because Heaven's Feel is the end, so it happens to be built up the most and provides the the most final resolution outside of the extras, i.e. it's the climax.

>>27282700
And you are a faggot.

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>>27260746
Good thing they're releasing this new visual novel, it's called Fate/Crescent Albedo

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>>27278851
>>27279734
Heaven's Feels only redeeming quality is Kotomine being there, because without him, it's shit.
I just can't stand Sakura in this route.
[Spoiler] I ESPECIALLY can't stand Sakurafags. They're the worst.[/spoiler]

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>>27291926
Fuck i fucked up the spoiler

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I asked a long time ago, but does anyone have a copy/rip of this DVD?
It was released at c72 and has an extended trailer/OP for melty AC that only exists in really poor quality.

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>>27291926
Not a fan of anybody in Fate, really, so I can say this somewhat objectively.
Rinfags are worse.

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>>27286931
fate is the best route

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>>27281371
Nasu doesn't believe in voice acting.

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>>27282671
vita

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>>27282671
Original and Ufo UBW

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>>27294568
Yeah. He still goes to the voice recording, discusses with the VAs about their respective characters beforehand and even selects the cast by himself.

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What version of the BGM does the Kagetsu Tohya torrent in the OP have?
Because tracks 11-18 are completely different to the ones here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JPbEo25C-A&list=PLCEC6F58B10067104&index=1

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>>27297678
Yeah, but he didn't instigate that, he just rolled with it. He said he prefers visual novels without voice acting, see Mahoyo.

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>>27298168
>He said he prefers visual novels without voice acting
I know, as he doesn't want the voice acting to be different from the voice imagined by the readers. This is the reason why Nasu has to supervise voice recording that much.

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>>27278851
Heaven's Feel, and Sakura is the best heroine.

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Yorokobe

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>>27294018
It's the most important route

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Is there anything about Gil knowing the name of every single one of his people in Uruk? Is that just headcanon?

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https://youtu.be/fImqu0hmcCo

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>>27311536
Shit song Hana No Uta is better

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>>27313082
ご意見ありがとうございます

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>>27313650
Is this some twitter meme. It's beyond my comprehension.

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I just wanted to say that The Tohno Family Con Game is the peak of non-Nasu writing

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>>27313650
Arcs floating ahoge is kino
Where did this takeuchi go

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is kara no kyoukai worth watching?

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>>27334263
Yes, directing is great except for 6th episode and the characters are good.

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>>27334263
Absolutely. Ufo still hasn't topped movie 5.

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>>27334263
No, it's obviously gonna be remade soon.
Wait for that remake.

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>>27311052
theres so many retcons for gil and Uruk, does it really matter at this point?

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>>27304774
blu-ray onegai...

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>>27334263
If you like pretentious shit and pure unadulterated nasushit then yeah it's worth watching

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>>27346653
Do companies hire people to go onto websites and talk shit about competitors in an effort to drive them away? Do organizations hire people to go onto sites to shit on everything in an effort to drive people away from said website?

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>>27347075
I was complementing KnK you idiot. Nasu's autism in writing chunni shit is when she's at her peak. See Tsukihime and FSN. If you didn't think that KnK was pretentious then you're just biased

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>>27346653
>>27347408
Autistic and chuuni? Absolutely. But how is it pretentious?

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>>27346653
define pretentious
define unadulterated

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>>27347470
>>27347478
Idk how to put it into words

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>>27348071
Then your opinion is irrelevant

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How can I read the Tsukihime VN? It's the only VN I've had trouble getting to work properly. Text is slowed down and garbled when I apply the English patch.

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>>27348471
press 3 it should go faster

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>>27348471
Learn Japanese

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>>27348471
Use the /vn/ link and try to download a few of them. The size of the vn isn't even big so just trial and error it

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>>27347408
OMG I'M CRINGING SO MUCH MY BALLS ARE DYING AND MY ASS IS AS HARD AS A ROCK

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Anyone got that pic of the tram problem showing shirous ideals in each route?

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>>27356161
You should ask on reddit, it was made there.

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You find this note on your desk. What do you do?

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>>27356634
Oh damn, it actually is

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>>27356947
Report the threatening letter to the police.

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Is there a easier choice in the game?
Fuck the wormslut

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>>27358420
Easier choice to a Tiger Dojo, if that's what you mean.

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Does anyone remember the first time Touko was mentioned to receive Grand rank when she's 20 years old? The closest thing i can think of was this part from KnK 6
>当時───二十代でマスタークラスにあがった私は、自分が最年少の魔術師だと疑わなかった。けど、実際は生誕から十五年でマスターになった子供がいてね。中東方面の学院にいたその子供と会う機会は一度もなかったが、その名前だけは全ての学院に知れ渡っていた。
but here it says Master-class rather than Grand rank. Now that i think about it, did KnK have any mention of the Grand/Brand/Pride/Fes/... ranking system?

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>>27362609
I'm pretty sure it's never mentioned in KnK.

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>>27363093
Thanks anon. Then i guess the ranking system was (somewhat) first introduced/mentioned in Character Material, El Melon 2 part.
About Touko and her 20 years old Grand thing i will probably go look up CF to check that. Though if i remember correctly Iselma arc didn't mention it either. Guess everyone just assume Master = Grand (i think it's the same thing too, just that KnK was written much earlier and by that time Nasu didn't think about the ranking system yet) and say Touko achieved Grand status when she's 20.

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posting an ancient meme

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>>27358420
>persist on being a super hero

yeah nah

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>>27361854
is this real

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ufotable fate route: TV or movie?

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>>27358420
Based

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How is DDD? I see the novels are translated, at least the first two volumes.

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>>27375630
The second one is good if you like baseball.

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>>27371870
Fate route by ufotable will be announced for 2021 (15 anniversary of DEEN version)
Screencap this

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>>27375630
the translation is shit
the story is unfinished and Nasu hasn't touched it for over 15 years

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>>27371109
Yes. FGO launch was an absolute trashfire and Nasu was ready to shut it down within 3 months if it doesn't improve.

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is ufotable cafe worth my time

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>>27371870
Ideally neither.

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>>27358420
Agreed

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akiha makes me smile anon, where are you? Others may have been harsh to you but don't give up on /tmg/ yet, I miss your posts.

[Anonymous No.]

Fate/Grand Order is so fucked up that it even cucks itself
How do they do it?

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>>27408539
>it even cucks itself
explain further

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>>27409073
jp exclusive arcade shit is getting more updates over the profitable phone game

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>>27409159
Sega is a much more competent game company.

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>>27410915
Except shit like proto merlin getting into arcade first requires TM to do work. It's incredibly retarded that they're actually spending time on FGO arcade when the main game has no fucking content . TM ditched lost TM IPs for FGO and now they're diching FGO for a fucking arcade game during a global pandemic

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How much would people shell out for a monthly sub to FGOArcade PC master race edition?

Also Sakura is for hugs.

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>>27413736
I'd rather have a new Extella. Fuck gambling.

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>>27413736
'some' people would probably go ham on that, but /tmg/ is not such a place.

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>>27413736
it's not a good game.

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>>27414242
Fair enough. Just want a 3d Mata Hari/Medusa.

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>>27414293
the different artstyles translate like trash to 3D, just look at this horrible monster of a face

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>>27414362
EgAAADS ITS TERRIBLE! THAT BED IS A MESS!!!

Oh and the 3d modal aint all that great either...

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>>27414362
What the fuck is going on with that hair.

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>>27414362
looks like an illusion's game

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>>27413238
We don't know that. It depends on the details of the contracts.

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put some finishing touches on this

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>>27415183

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>>27414739
>We don't know that
You think SEGA pulled all the proto merlin lore out of their ass? That Nasu suddenly decided he doesn't want to supervise shit that gets in his universe anymore?

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>>27414362
That actually looks like a good adaptation of the art to 3D though.

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>>27417726
Between Olga still being alive in Arcade and Sita replacing Rama, I'm pretty sure this is actually one of Nasu's weird multimedia deliberate creative decisions.

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faggots

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>>27419044
Yes

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>>27417726
Maybe they just asked Nasu for new content.

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>>27415817

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>>27419586
Which means Nasu spend time working on arcade he could have used on the actual FGO or one of his several abandoned IPs.

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>>27423426
Yeah, Nasu cares only about money.

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>>27415183
Nice.
>>27415817
Incredible.
>>27423058
We don't need that remake anymore, this turkey had been handled.

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>>27415183
Nice.
>>27415817
Incredible.
>>27423058
We don't need that remake anymore, this turkey has been handled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27423058
>>27429412
obligatory even more unfunny edit

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>>27358420
>Fuck the wormslut
That's the plan!

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>>27448133
"I love you, Senpai."

[Anonymous No.]

Would Nasu actually rewriting Sabers route look like the Higurashi remake coming out

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>>27463940
Ryukishi and Nasu are both absolute hacks and love evangelion to death, so probably.

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>>27464472
But we love them anyway.

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>>27465061
No? I like their old works not their modern self masturbation garbage

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>>27464472
>>27465176
Did R07 fall from grace that badly? I'm not super familiar with his stuff but I thought he was still a solid writer. It's just that his peak was long ago which happens sometimes.

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>>27465335
The current state of R07 is a thousand times better with the ABSOLUTE current state of Type-Moon

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>>27465335
he fell from grace halfway through umineko

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>>27466903
cope

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>>27466903
I think you will find it hard to find a franchise where this isn't the case, including star wars.

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>>27468787
>including star wars
I'd rather play FGO than watch Disney Wars desu. At least FGO has stuff you can coom to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27468954
some people can also ejaculate to literal shit, good argument.

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>>27469033
Well okay but the point is that at least FGO has waifubait. Disney Wars is just ugly people, retarded characters and retarded plot. Neither are good, but I can rub my dick to one of them so the scales tip in their favor.

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>>27470077
Seeing the horrible modern day TM designs for literally every single female is like seeing your childhood crush become a dirty third rate stripper and everytime you meet her she hints that she wants to hook up with you by talking about all the good times you had years ago, and all your friends don't understand why you aren't taking her up on the offer even though the girl you liked has stopped existing long ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>27470273
Some are definitely bad, but I don't think they're all terrible. And it's not like I give a single fuck about some random gatcha whore that has nothing to do with when Type-Moon was actually good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27470476
well they already made all the FSN heroines body hjacked whores so I guess you still have the tsukihime ones

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>>27213295
>The grail mud that fell never cursed Kiritsugu, it was Angra (in the form of Irisviel) who cursed him after he rejected the grail.
Did you actually read the novel? Kiritsugu was cursed by the mud.

>>27207468
>when simply burying Kerry in negative sentiment like what happened to Shirou and Saber would've been far more effective and highlights Butcher's inability to sympathize with humans
Again, in the novel this is what Angra Mainyu does.

>The five small fingers, once so graceful, grabbed Kiritsugu’s shoulder. From the five fingers biting into him flowed a black mud.
>“Curse you ... Emiya Kiritsugu ... to pain ... to regret until death ... I will never, forgive you ...!”
>“That is fine.” The hatred-stained mud circulated in his veins, flowing into his heart. It drenched the soul of the man who lost everything. Still, Kiritsugu’s fingers did not slacken. Forgetting even the meaning of the tears down his cheeks, he told the woman in the black dress as he continued to strangle her. “That is all right.
>Like I said—I will bear you.”

[Anonymous No.]

Shirou's projection of swords is just him pulling them out of UBW right?
Then what about his projections in the shed? Are they from UBW too?

[Anonymous No.]

where the HENK do you get started with the deeper tm lore

[Anonymous No.]

>>27490448
Read tsukihime

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i didn't get it, was that a sequel bait?