07th Expansion

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Despite Ciconia being mediocre at best so far and I don't care one iota about it, I think it'd work great as a fighting game or perhaps even a strategy game where you support the walls of peace.

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Imagine a fighting game with every 07th vn

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>>23395270
What is she doing

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>>23395426
cleaning the window of course

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ERIKANTRICE
manifesto: https://pastebin.com/XVrRMWqS
Booru:https://erikce.booru.org
last thread was shit
finnally i return and no discussion
very sad!!! cmon discuss together for discover the real truth of umineko.

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They finally did it.

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>>23395718
What about the Rei arcs? I've been waiting for 5 years since the announcement.

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>>23395764
don't know where that cap is from, MG just calls it "The eighth installment of the #Higurashi series, Matsuribayashi", no 'final arc'
bet it's an animeonly who wrote that

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>>23395886
It’s the final arc of the main series, the final chapter of the Answer Arcs.

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>>23395695
Hasta la vista, baby.

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Baby la vista,hasta

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I want to finally read the Higurashi series, but I keep seeing so many releases and additions that it's difficult to keep up with. What do I need read, and in what order, so I can get the full picture?

I assume that I can start with the first 8 episodes from Steam, but what comes after?

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>>23396095
english is a shit version of french
learn latin anon

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>>23396184
there's more afterwards ????

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>>23396184
saikoroshi -> outbreak -> kamikashimashi
ignore the console arcs

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>>23396184
the 8 episodes is the main storyline. Everything else is extra.

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>>23395695
I'll comment on this scene because an Anon said Kanon "isn't there". But the dialogue doesn't make really sense if Kanon doesn't respond to Shannon. Erika should be surprised that Shannon knew about the solved Epitaph.

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>>23396217
Miotsukishi Omote is a better ending than Matsuribayashi.

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>>23396343
the sentence of kanon seem the typically watson sentence to sherlock

>how could we understand it? this is impossible for anyone except a witch?

look
we understand it seem this is a sentence for a detective who try to solve the mystery not for a servant who belive in witches

and the replay of erika is the typiccally elementary watson
this dialogue is between erika and kanon

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>>23396575
Having Takano and co. kill Teppei and Rina seems like a huge cop-out to me. That kind of resolution doesn't have the same philosophical weight as acknowledging that having to denying "bad peoples" lives, treating them as nothing more than obstacles, is a tragedy in its own right.

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>>23396217
Thanks.

>>23396318
Is the extra worth reading in your opinion?

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What happens if you undergo hormone therapy for a long time? Can it change your organism permanently?

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>>23397648
I agree, but to me this is outweighed by how well it handles Hanyuu's character (and Rika's to a certain extent). Hanyuu felt a little tacked on in the main chapters, and the development for her here really made me like her a lot more. I also like the fact that the fragment is not a miracle like in Matsuribayashi. There is a lot of hardship in that route, and I think it sends a better message about trying even when things seem impossible. It's not a perfect chapter, but I think it's a better conclusion to the story.

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>>23398041
organism as in behavioral patterns, emotional reactions etc.? The way behavior changes while the body is flooded with hormones could cause someone to develop new habits, but the hormonal balance itself should return to normal if left alone.

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>Finally convinced friends to read Umineko
>Now I'm distressed because I know they'll dislike EP8's ending
damn why can't Ryukishi write good final chapters

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>>23398422
more likely they'll drop it after 2-3 episodes because it's too long

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>>23398422
>Suggesting Umineko before Higurashi
This shithole is still full of secondaries and falsies I see.

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>>23398172
So trannies have to take hormones their entire life if they want to stay trannies?

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>>23398422
Anon now that you finish umineko
read erikantrice manifesto for understand the real truth.

Kanon and George are the culprit in all the games (including bern's game) with genji,kumasawa and nanjo as accomplices

Ikuko is yasu , all umineko is the magic version of her wrote stories about rokkenjima to make Battler solve them in the hope to get his memory back.

Erika is Kanon this is why erika didnt saw nothing in the closet

this is the real truth of umineko!!!

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>>23395270
this is not ok

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>>23398422
You might be surprised. I unironically like episode 8 and hate episodes 5-6 because Ryukishi can't pace for shit.

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>>23398422
>distressed because I know they'll dislike EP8's ending
How do you know the truth before it even happens?

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>>23397818
Saikoroshi is the only extra that I would consider necessary since it's considered canon and has a connection to an Umineko character. As far as worth reading in general, only the PC original extras. They're all short and interesting what-ifs and are fun to read.

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Jesus Christ Ryukishi

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i just want to plow miyao until he doesnt know what personality he is

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>unironically hating ep8

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>>23399469
Who hate ep8 just dont understand that ikuki is yasu

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>>23399469
only people who hate ep8 are those that fell hard for the "everything is a metaphor and everything is just a book" meme

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>>23399469
Episode 5 and 6 are far more worthy of hate for being drawn out borefests.

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>>23399469
I don’t understand why would anyone hate it. Episode 8 basically saved the VN, if Umineko wrapped up without such series of twists then it would have been a waste of time, ep8 made everything we went through worth it.

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Anyone have a gif of Bern's cat eyes and jaws from Umineko 7?

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>>23398041
It fucks you up. Don't listen to the trannies, they are a death cult.

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>>23400093
I wouldn't go that far, but I do think that there are people have been groomed into adopting a trans identity by parents, friends or even medical professionals, and like you say, it is eerily similar to how people get indoctrinated into joining more traditional cults when they're in a bad spot and vulnerable.

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>>23398488
Nah they are already in EP4
>>23398602
I'm sorry, I like Higurashi less and I prefer to guarantee they read the one I prefer.
>>23399139
>>23399161
I mean, yeah, there's still hope they like it more than me.

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>>23399541
>>23399788
To be honest, Ryukishi doesn't do the best job at balancing the two sides of the story. The idea is alright but the execution is lacking, in my opinion.
Just an example, Battler and the gameboard characters are just awful to look at. They are pieces in the worst sense of the term. They are as irreal as, say, Maria summoning Rosa in the golden land. Maria's illusion of Rosa is obviously a bad thing, 100% bad at that point - in this case, well, it just isn't explored enough. Ange knows they are all fake but to make peace with herself kind of ends up accepting them just like that, seeing as how they keep being the same during all of the EP? Okay I guess. EP4 had a better resolution for Ange in that respect though, there she can understand and forgive Eva, but not replace her with the nicest person ever who she never was. Which is was EP8 seems to think it does, but not what it actually does. Granted, Ange doesn't know these people well enough, she was six when she last saw them, their relationship is different. But if we're going to talk about that, then Ange doesn't really know, remember or care about anyone but her main family and Maria. The rest are irrelevant to her. They are important, but to the main storyline, not Ange - then again, the plot doesn't make up its mind about where it wants to go.
As I see it, Ryukishi is unable to strike a balance between the golden land as a land of death and as the final destination after the series of events that makes the main storyline from EP1-6 (just like he's unable to strike a balance between that same storyline and the Ange one that suddenly reappears in EP8). It comes off as 100% fake in a way that I highly doubt was the intended. EP3's golden land is bad and EP8's is good, but they are exactly the same.
And yeah I know the "for Ange's sake" argument, it works fine as that I guess, I'm just saying Ryukishi could have done it better. Also, unpopular opinion, I don't care for Ange enough to like her as the final MC. I'm here for Beatrice.

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>>23400874
>I'm sorry, I like Higurashi less
Subhuman.

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>>23400093
More like they are a delusion cult.
Maybe many years from now real gender transition will be possible.
Now they are just unaware lab rats.

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>>23400874
>I'm sorry, I like Higurashi less
Not gonna blame you here. Fags like you who watched the Umineko anime and then discovered the VN are plaguing this thread. Hell, I'm not gonna blame you for pretending you played Higurashi either, all Umineko cultists here do that.

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>>23401511
I wonder if MG will work on Rei now that they have finished with the main arcs or continue completing Hou as a whole first.

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>>23401406
>>23401470
Get over yourself. Higurashi and Umineko explore different themes and have different approaches to storytelling. There's absolutely nothing wrong with prefering one over the other.

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>>23402022
I don't understand how anyone who read Higurashi first could even prefer one over the other, they both complete each other.

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>>23403095
I read Umineko first and prefer Higurashi because I felt like the quality was a lot more consistent. Umineko had moments of brilliance, but it also had times when I wanted to stab my eyeballs out with a fork. Higurashi didn't quite have as high of highs, but its lows were a ton better, and that's why I prefer it. Also Higurashi doesn't have trannies.

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>>23403182
>I read Umineko first
Why would anyone do this?

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reminder

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>>23403284
The western Umineko cultists (who played Umineko first and probably never played Higurashi) are loud and always overhype Umineko (it's a great VN and a great installment to the WTC series mind you but not as much as the cultists say) so the newfags will definitely pick Umineko first and most of them will be brainwashed by their ideals.

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Higu anime was good enough.

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>>23399323
That was rough

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If Naima thinks exposing a girl's skin is lewd, how traumatized would she be if someone stripped her naked like an animal?

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>>23404120
Seek help.

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>>23402022
The only good parts of Umineko were episode 1,2,7 and Bernkastel's game is episode 8. The rest was a snorefest and utterly retarded.
Meanwhile, Higurashi has 5 good episodes (1,2,3,6,7) and the other 3 were alright.
They should have cut content from Umineko and added more content to Higurashi.

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>>23404120
Would Naima refuse to take part in this?

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>>23404120
>>23404180
I heard you folks needed help stripping a girl naked. I'm here waiting on stand-by.

[Anonymous No.]

i would selflessly and graciously give ange 8 children so she can have a family again

[Anonymous No.]

has anyone ever tried making a 07th discord server that isnt infested with trannies?

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>>23402022
Yes, there's nothing wrong with preferring Higurashi to Umineko. If you prefer Umineko, however, you are a subhuman.
This is not to say Umineko is bad, by the way. It's just not better than Higurashi.

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>>23406100
I just want a server without the usual hugbox totalitarianism 07th-fags seem to fall into. Don't force me to implicitly validate other peoples self-image because differences in worldview aren't "nice" you anti-truth bastards.

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>>23406100
That would be a contradiction.

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>>23406100
Nope anon
i am get Banned from all 07th server just because i said that Kanon is a cute tomboy and Battler isnt gay

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>>23406420
italianon whats your discord tag i wanna talk to you on discord

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>>23406100
Why not take over their server when they join the 41%?

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>>23395270

the only mediocre thing here is your post

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>>23406508
sorry i cant contact me on my booru
last time people post my discord tag in a sex-meeting thread for trannies on /soc/.

50 faggots contact me, but I didn't know what had happened, so I started talking about erikantrice with them.

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>>23406650
Gunhild is such a slut that she doesn't even have a gag reflex anymore.

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>>23406692
u can add me yourself on discord my tag is kimikalover53#5997

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>>23395270
I hate when dubs and Enlish media names it When they Cry.
When they cry? Who the fuck cries?


The series name is HIGURASHI no naku koro ni
They fucking leave out the cicadas from the title.
It's When the Evening Cicadas Cry, not fucking THEY.

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>>23406705
Kimika a fucking bitch though.

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>>23406705
i try but diiscord say that you blocked me

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>>23406725
impossible maybe u blocked me accidentally?

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>>23406735
Your message could not be delivered because you don't share a server with the recipient or you disabled direct messages on your shared server, recipient is only accepting direct messages from friends, or you were blocked by the recipient.

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>>23406764
you cant message me so you need to add me as friend

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>>23406716
The English name of the series has always been "When they Cry". It's a bit of cheesy Japanese Engrish.

Then Mangagamer decided to localize Higurashi back in 2009 and went full retarded naming it "Higurashi when they cry". Instead of "Higurashi no naku koro ni" or "when the cicadas cry" or literally any other name.

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>>23406705
Are you pulling a Yuki and taking that crazy boy away with you?

Thank you. Maybe these threads will go back to normal after all.

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>>23406790
Truly rage inducing, something I don't want to take home at all.

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>>23406790
Higanbana - When the actual literal loli kiddos get bullied

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>>23395270
Is that official? If it’s not fanmade, I’ll be surprised.

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>>23406996
Do you mean the gif? It's from the first episode of Higurashi Kira

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>>23395270
What a waste. Satoko should be the one humiliating herself like this.

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>>23407040
What in fucks name
How many anime versions are there now?

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>>23407125
What do you mean? It’s not a waste, I wanna lick that window now! From Rika’s side of course.

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>>23406790
Dragon Knight seven and his hit game series, Cicada Season

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>>23396184
Get the games on steam (there's a bundle) then go to http://07th-mod.com/home/ and follow the instructions. You get the main storyline with updated visuals, a voiceover, some music and other stuff.

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>>23395718
Can't wait for the smash presentation to acvompany it!

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I hope Ciconia introduces an enigma that requires knowledge of niche dialects from many different languages so people from all over the world have to come together to solve it.

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>>23407631
Yes, that would be nice.

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When The Evening Trannies Cry

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>>23408253
she is a CUTE tomboy and Jayden isnt gay

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>>23408506
Jayden is ready for both so he's already gay

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>>23408506
Even if Miyao turns out to be a physical girl, Jayden is still hella gay

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>>23408506
She's a fucking schizo and belongs in a mental institution.

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>>23408253
he's a cute boy, leave his dick alone

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>>23408971
Why does so many R07 characters wear chokers?

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>>23409031
Chokers are the mark of the slut.

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>>23409031
Helps them prepare for lack of air in their system

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>>23407311
Way to kill the original experience that Ryu intended for us to enjoy. The only thing he should do is buy them on steam and switch the sprites back to the old ones and that's it.

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>>23407180
It was an ova for the deen version. Mostly just fanservice.

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>>23407180
It was an ova for the deen version. Mostly just fanservice. Altough I believe the first episode is based on a scenario written by Ryukishi.

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>>23409501
And it looks cute

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>>23409518
But they're ugly and unpleasant to look at.

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>>23409819
Oh okay. You're a filtered plebeian newfag and a falsie.

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>>23409695
I want to give Miyao a sibling so bad
>>23409819
Go back to your containment shithole, crossie. The hate for the original art was indeed an indication that you're from that place

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>>23406420
Then set up your own fucking server.

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>>23409895
>Original art is poor quality
>Here's an approved version with better art
>REEEEEE IF YOU DON'T LIKE SHIT YOU'RE A NEWFAG
Sprite purists are retarded.

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>>23409895
So true it instantly triggered the newfag into a meltdown seethe

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>>23409909
i am not a discord-backbanned
discord is just enemy territory to invade

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>>23409968
Who are you quoting?

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>>23398422
They won't dislike it if they're not retarded snowflake faggots that assume Ryukishi is targeting them

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>>23409518
Just think, there would have been a completely different original intended experience if r07 simply had the money to burn and hire an artist--or if he wasn't shit at drawing.

Console version would have been the original intended experience if alchemist came along and offered from the very beginning instead of waiting for it to become popular.

Your original *intended* experience is literally just "this is what I can cobble together, hope you like it." I bet you go off on people making new remastered midi tracks because theyre not 22khz, they're not compressed to hell, and they don't have insane amounts of clipping--how r07 intended them to be.

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Jannu

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>>23410748
Nice headcanon.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey everyone. I thought about making my own thread dedicated to this topic (maybe I will in the future?) but since there's already a thread here, I figured I'd check in with you guys first. I consider myself to be something of an Umineko superfan. I'm sure I'm late to the game on this one, and that there have already been countless threads asking "What the Hell happened here?" since Ciconia was released to the public. Therefore, I won't bore you with loaded questions. I earnestly want to like Ciconia. Yet, I cannot help but find myself repeatedly dumbfounded by this rainbow-colored abortion of a visual novel, and question why it is so different to anything that Ryukishi07 has written in the past. I haven't finished it yet for reasons that I think should be obvious to everyone; this is borderline propaganda, and hardly enjoyable except for the space between the many, many Miyao/"Meow"-centric scenes.

What I want to know is this: Did something happen to Ryukishi07 to cause this dramatic change in his writing? Or was the Steam translation effort simply hijacked by left-wing political dissidents?

There have already been plenty of threads over the years (collectively, between /a/, /jp/, and /lit/,) that have attempted to answer the former question, especially back when Umineko's answer arcs came out. Some of these conspiracy theories make references to strange statements, allegedly produced by Ryukishi07 himself, referring to how he became a different person (ie: "died") in the middle of writing Umineko. Some have insisted that he had a romantic relationship with a co-founder of 07th expansion, BT, or else that BT has since died. Some insist, amateurishly I might add, that "BT" is short for 'Beatrice,' and that the games were really about him the entire time. For obvious reasons, I have never taken any of these theories seriously over the years, nor do I believe that an author's personal life should generally ever come under scrutiny when analyzing a work of fiction that they themselves wrote. Generally, it just seems like a way of coping with bad writing and something that is usually done in poor taste. Nevertheless, Ciconia is just so different that I think the question is worth re-asking in a more organized way. Personally, I don't know a lot about the guy, and I'm hoping someone in this thread might have an answer that can help me like this game more than I do now.

>TL;DR - Spoonfeed me your Ryukishi07 facts and conspiracies. Seriously, I can't find anything that puts this game into context.

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>>23410822
zeru!!!

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>>23410858
Your first WTC wasn’t Higurashi and you sound like an Umineko cultist so you’re a lost cause.

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>>23410822
Jannu is a cute tomboy

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>>23410858
Every writer has their ups and downs, their hits and misses. It ain't that deep.

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>>23410879

My first WTC actually was Higurashi, although I'll fully admit to being an Umineko autist... I just feel 'cultist' is too strong of word. Part of the reason I am, is because Ryukishi07 was willing to own his mistakes and joke about how bad Higurashi was (as a mystery) in the middle of Umineko. Excluding the now-forsaken element of mystery, I'd be less curious about the man if Ciconia were at least as good of a story as Higurashi, except that it isn't, and it's also loaded to the gills with propaganda. So, I'm really willing to keep an open mind here.

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>>23410858
>>TL;DR - Umineko good, everything else bad
ftfy.
Exactly what this guy said here >>23410879

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>>23410879
>>23411022
reading comprehension - 0
random headcanon based on ??? - 10

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>>23411135
Any sane person would stop reading that wall of bullshit when he said he considers himself an Umineko super cultist.

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>>23411182
Any sane person would know not to make a conjecture based on a couple lines lest they look a fool. Only thing he mentioned being bad was Ciconia, that wall of text was just him asking if there are any theories or if there is anything that happened to r07 since Ciconia is so vastly different, writing wise, from everything else. Dude only mentioned umineko twice to put things in context.

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>>23410937

Well, that's a reliable answer. I was just wondering if there was any more to it-- you hear so many weird rumors over the years, that you begin to question if any of them might have been true after all.

>>23411022
>>23411182

Buttblasted trannies detected.

Imagine being a big fan of something and also not being a cultist. Oh wait... You can't, because trannies have no sense of "gray" and can only think in black and white dichotomies, with no appreciation of nuance whatsoever. I asked an honest question with an open mind, and I'm getting shit on for it by people that need a colostomy bag to defecate.

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>>23410858
Rose Guns Days is fun, original, well structured, it does a good job of bringing its characters to life and exploring its themes, and it was released after Umineko, between 2012 and 2014, so make of that what you will.

>>23410937
I think Phase 1 may be *intended* to come off as propagandistic. The characters interactions reflect the world they were brought up in: a world under the control of just a few totalitarian surveilance super-states that have very, very specific expectations of what its citizens are supposed to believe and how they're supposed to act, and, because technology has advanced sufficiently, have the power to achieve that goal to a greater extent than ever before. Some key scenes for this are Chloe's "dominance hierarchy group", the relationship between Koshka and Lilja, both of whom are basically slaves, the insight we get through Gertrude into the lives of her lower-class family, and everything involving Keropoyo and brain computing technology in general. The ending all but proves that "adults bad kids good", "we're the main characters of our lives" and "walls of peace" are meaningless and ultimately impotent meta-narratives the gauntlet knights cling to while they're marching toward their death by each others hand - they're just mindlessly parroting the propaganda they've been fed their whole lives and mistaking that for agency.

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>>23410879
>>23411022
>>23411182
Damn, these posts sure hit a nerve. Perhaps they were, bullseye?

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I can't believe Kinzo would base his family crest on something so stupid, and to put it on every single gold bar as well!! He must really love curry. Perhaps that was the foul smell plaguing his study too!

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Erikanon, you should post go to 2chan vn board and post your theory in italian, everything with CAPS LOCK and a lot of exclamation marks

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>>23411427
i dont know japanese and i dont know how to access on 2chan
this is why i ask /jp/ help i tought people here know japanese

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>>23411329

RGD was also very good. I think if I'd also mentioned that I have read other works of R07's and liked them, people might have been less quick to overreact-- but who can really say? You can't teach a pig to read, and you can't teach a tranny not to get emotional when somebody attacks (even gently) a single one of their necessary distractions from their own lives. I fully understand that there's probably a dude in a Party City wig gazing at pictures of Meow and thinking "literally me" on the other end of those posts, so I don't take them personally.

I did mention that Ciconia isn't all bad. I'm at the bit with Lilja and Koshka now, and I'm enjoying it. With regards to the idea of the propaganda being intentional to later sell us on some deeper meaning that is fed to us down the road... I was thinking the same thing for awhile, and that's what's keeping me going despite the revulsion I feel towards most of what I'm reading. I'm not altogether hopeful, but the difficulty of this game is said to be 'quite high, given the present circumstances.' I wouldn't put it above R07 at all to use Phase 1 as a means of simultaneously baiting both the Shkanontrice tranny-hypers and the people who consider themselves to be proper fans of mystery.

I also think your diagnostic of what it all might mean is pretty good; in the mind of a child, obeying the propaganda may be considered equivalent to agency. "You can play in the sandbox, as long as you follow the rules. But within the sandbox, you can build anything you like." Such logic may convince people that they have full autonomy over their bodies within that sandbox. Yet, nobody questions why humanity has gone beyond allowing people to have children the natural way. Kind of an interesting throwback to 1984, once you get past the insufferable parts.

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>>23410858
>to cause this dramatic change in his writing
It's very in-line with everything else he's written, you're just a retarded Umifaggot

[Anonymous No.]

We're leaving, Okonogi.

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>>23410858
I don't get how someone can read through Higurashi and Ciconia and not realize that R07 is a leftist through and through.
>was the Steam translation effort simply hijacked by left-wing political dissidents?
I read it in Japanese and no, from what I can tell the translation is extremely faithful to a fault even, it reads like shit

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>>23412915
>Higurashi and Ciconia
I meant Umineko, not Ciconia. Point is, he's always been like this and despite what people here seem to think, the social context is starting to shift in Japan, too. It's no surprise a WTC episode coming out in 2019 would have those elements.

Just look at Uchikoshi's new game. Same thing.

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>>23412915
why, hello there discord

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>>23413059
>nooooo how could the ex-social worker who constantly shits on nationalism in his works have leftist ideas

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>>23411476
w
I post there all the time
No hope

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>>23412915
>>23412932

Well, okay. I'll accept your point about the Steam translation being accurate if you insist that it is. I can't read Japanese, so I wouldn't have any way of knowing. It was just one idea I came up with out of ignorance with regards to translational accuracy.

Re: Umineko... I really just don't feel that this is some incredibly left-wing game, as it is regularly hyped up to be in these threads. Zepar and Furfur and the 'trial of love' are about as strange as it gets in that department. For everything else, you basically have to use Shkannontrice theory as a lens through which the rest of the game is to be observed. You have to believe that Battler is gay, and that Beatrice is a psychotic homo(trans?)sexual, and apply that lens to absolutely everything in the game to progress any further with the notion that this is a left-wing piece. Otherwise, I'd say the game is fairly centrist... "Truth is objective, but everyone has their own opinion," "Be kind to those with eccentric beliefs," and so forth, are entirely centrist positions.

How is Higurashi leftist, outside of simply having some yuri overtones? I just really do not consider that to be political whatsoever, especially considering how prominent the eroge market's influence shows on these games.

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>>23413319
You do know that politics go beyond gender and sexuality, right? It's very important to me that you do.

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>>23413313
How you can post here?
can you help me

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>>23413251
I feel really bad for you politicals. When you consider someone an ally you cheer so long as their actions seem to conform with the role you have assigned them and happily look away when they dont, and once you consider them an enemy you will only acknowledge them when they make a mistake. Even when you're reading a story, you only allow yourselves to think in terms of whether or not the "lesson" aligns with your ideology - to you, all information is either propaganda for your cause, or propaganda against it.

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>>23412932
Even the "dam conflict" in Higurashi is based on the Sanrizuka struggle, right? It's not like the whole game is spent valorizing communists or communism but there are a lot of lefty overtones. It's often more liberal than left, but yeah.

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>>23410858
It's the first episode of the title, knowing Umineko and Higurashi you should know that it's just the first introduction and exposition. Nonetheless thanks of reminding of BT, those were fun times when Batora went full butterflies and people started blaming Ryukishi's lover death.

Ryukishi is a god though, I can't blame him for any writting choice, nano desu.

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>>23413379
t. goat

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Imagine boiling things down to left or right. Literal goat level thinking in categorization.

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>>23413500
Umineko brought those kinds here. I fucking love Umineko but its fans are literal subhumans.

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>>23413500
Don't fret, Himatsubushi Akasaka is there for the fedora-tipping centrists.

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>>23413319
The degree of political and ideal bias isn't the problem, it's your double-standard. You came in here out of nowhere and starting shitting on Ciconia for its leanings but were willing to defend the other two at the drop of a hat. Just fucking relax and appreciate the narratives for how well they're told, you don't have to agree with the messages being pushed. Saying Ciconia is a major downgrade from Ryukishi's earlier work is incredibly naive

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>>23413570
>You came in here out of nowhere and starting shitting on Ciconia for its leanings
Wrong again. That anon was primarily talking about Ciconia being propagandistic, that is, about its messages being conveyed by characters talking about their (actually the authors) worldviews, rather than allowing characters to embody various ideals through their actions and testing them against the opposing forces of the narrative. And if that's what Ryukishi is doing with Ciconia, then pointing it out is a valid criticism, unless your definition of art was already synonymous with propaganda to begin with.

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>>23413500
I blame Ryukishi for framing the choice between truth and love as a binary in ep8 desu

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>>23413736
>That anon was primarily talking about Ciconia being propagandistic, that is, about its messages being conveyed by characters talking about their (actually the authors) worldviews, rather than allowing characters to embody various ideals through their actions and testing them against the opposing forces of the narrative.
That IS a fair criticism, but literally nothing that anon has posted has suggested that that's what his gripe was. He got sidetracked into the political stuff immediately

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>>23413371

Sure it does, but I don't feel strongly that Umineko spends a ton of time dumping on nationalism the way you think it does. Nationalism was originally something that Kinzo saw as an opportunity to commit suicide, and which eventually became the tool he utilized to secure a beautiful wife, land, and his fortune of legend. It really can't be viewed as a negative thing in that context, unless you're trying to make the argument that the military generals were blinded by nationalism when they fell for his plan.

If we're going to talk about the trope of 'the evils of having money and numismatic greed,' well, I would probably implore you to re-read Umineko. Sure, those are certainly themes present in the story, but they mostly serve ancillary ends... a tool to drive forward the main mystery, which itself is a means to delve into other, more meaningful conversations about truth, objectivity, the nature of belief, etc... All completely non-political themes, unless a person injects their own personal bias to skew a conversation one way or another.

All in all, I would say that Umineko is the most neutral of 07's works. Higu has some more left-learning themes (see also: >>23413384)

>>23413435

Yeah, that's a solid point. I guess I'm just a little shocked by the amount of pandering-- there has never been this much before, in any chapter of any game that he's been involved with. It really does border on propaganda. But you're also probably right to say that there's more good stuff coming, so I'll stick with it.

>>23413570

Same as above, although I'd like to comment here that I'm really not trying to defend or uplift anything. My personal disappointment with the ham-fisted politics aside, I think there are multiple metrics (outside of political leanings) that demonstrate an objective decline in quality. The music, character design, and writing have also gotten much worse. Hence, the question I asked was simply "Did something happen that led to this?" Instead of an answer to that question, I've gotten a lot of really uppity people telling me that "It was this way all along, get used to it," or otherwise insisting that I'm somehow wrong for pointing out the obvious.

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>>23413764
>insisting that I'm somehow wrong for pointing out the obvious
Because it's not "obvious" you dumbfuck, get off your pretentious high-horse. Anyone using a phrase like
>objective decline in quality
in regards to a narrative has a massive pole up their anus

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>>23413778

Where did I say "narrative design"? I said "writing." Go re-read the scene where Miyao meets with his dad and tell me that isn't the height of repetitiousness that adds nothing per-repetition to the narrative. Then name 5 tracks that are any good at all; I'll even get you started: Yain no Rinkaku, and even that one is totally overused in Phase 1. R07 was always repetitious, but there's something to be said for a "Say it once, say it again, then say why you said it" that just wasn't expressed well in this game... and that's not helped by the addition of characters that speak in fucking emojis.

Please stop being so buttblasted and calm down.

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>>23413832

*say why you said it" style of writing, etc....

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>>23413384
Look at the way the dam conflict was presented in the story - a small, tight-knit village working together with the local yakuza and old families, united by a shared tradition and mythology, working against the project of a large centralized government for the economic welfare of all. Do you really think you can get away with arguing that there are leftist/communist motives going on here because of muh historical parallels? Hinamizawa is just about as bourgeoisie as it gets.

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>>23413832
I just can't at all follow whatever you're trying to get out of us.You make an initial post complaining about "propaganda" and asking about Ryukishi, then you follow along with the political tangent as if it were your main original purpose, then you claim you never actually cared about any of that and dislike the writing in general, then you lump the VN's production value, obviously unrelated to Ryukishi himself, in with your one-sentence-long explanation of why Ciconia is so different from Umi and Higu.

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>>23413764
The change in the music is because Dragon Knight 07 gave explicit instructions to have a track's 'tone' be revealed in the first few seconds of it playing.
He didn't want instances of a scene ending before the song could kick into full swing, like what happened with most of the big hitter Umineko songs. Just look at Apocalypsis for an obvious example, the hype part starts instantly. But it's in all the calmer songs too.

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>>23413871

I unironically came here to ask about the past conspiracy theories surrounding the man that is Ryukishi07, and if there have been any recent changes in his life circumstances, that is all. I really am not too terribly familiar with what has been asserted over the years, and everyone always seemed to be more 'in the know' than I ever was. Therefore, everything I've heard over the years has been through the grapevine, and entirely unreliable.

Everything else has been entirely tangential conversation, and mostly my responding to others. No, I do not like the gender politics. No, I do not like the change in writing style. Yes, I think the music could be improved. Those things are all true, but no, they're not relevant to my original question, which is why I'm here at all. The problem is that this board is so fucking autistic that I can't ask a simple question about the author of a visual novel without being interrogated, forced off-topic by trans-autists that become extremely offended at the merest scent of a potential attack, and then subsequently accused of going off-topic on my own because somehow *I'm* a disgruntled fuck that's looking to bitch about everything. Yet, even saying "This game is different than the others" in the most civil tone possible is enough to get peoples' panties in a wad. One has to ask, when did this board become fucking Tumblr? Why does everyone here take things so personally?

>>23413922

That's really interesting, I had no idea. Thanks for the clarification-- I think that also explains why some of the tracks so far have been shorter than in the past, which was just a random, totally passive observation I made on the side (inb4, during and after some tranny retard attacks me for saying that and tells me about how every song is longer than ever because they all loop after 15 seconds.)

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arse

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>>23414033
>Yet, even saying "This game is different than the others" in the most civil tone possible is enough to get peoples' panties in a wad
>in the most civil tone possible
>first post leads off with "Yet, I cannot help but find myself repeatedly dumbfounded by this rainbow-colored abortion of a visual novel, and question why it is so different to anything that Ryukishi07 has written in the past"
>Gee I wonder why everyone here is such an autistic snowflake fellating Ryukishi fuck you all I was just asking an innocent question
Unironically kill yourself

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>>23414506

Dilate.

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>>23414506
seethe

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>>23414506
Cope.

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>>23414506
So true it instantly triggered him into a samefagging frenzy meltdown

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>>23414902
to be fair, it could just as easily be >>23414506 replying to himself to make it look like that

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>>23413752
It's not magic, it's not a trick. It's a "magic trick." Ba dum tish.

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>>23415199
Unironically the only real answer.

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>>23414902

>Doesn't know how to check for samefagging

/r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns/ is that way.

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listen, i just want to fuck the cast

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>>23406214
It has a better villain, I think that much is undeniable.

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>>23406214

Let me guess: You like Higurashi because cute girls doing guro things is your aesthetic. Yeah okay, pedophile.

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>>23403182
>Higurashi doesn't have trannies
You do realize that hating something for delving into a particular issue purely on principle makes you no better than those who push for said issue where it's not needed?

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>>23415433
Nice headcanon.

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>>23415278
Which cast?

[Anonymous No.]

Was the Umineko manga ever released digitally? I can only find scanlations and low quality uploads

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>>23412661
This is actually a really well-made edit.

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>Higurashi fans vs Umineko fans
Why is it that when someone insults one, the first response is to retaliate by attacking the other? Is it really so difficult to enjoy both for what they are and recognize that they each have their own merits? Both Higurashi and Umineko are masterpieces. I personallyprefer Umineko, but I realize that it's more due to my own personal tastes and how the story resonated with me, rather than some objective flaw on Higurashi's part.

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>>23415551
Fuck you they both suck.

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>>23415551
You’re basically me. I love them both but prefer Umineko due to my own personal tastes.
But I don’t blame the people who like Higurashi when they retaliate and attack Umineko fans. The majority of Umineko fans are indeed newfags, secondaries or whatever you wanna call them who basically discovered WTC through the shitty Umineko anime and the VN’s reputation in the west. They either begrudgingly played Higurashi after Umineko (which is retarded) or never did. It’s sad that they are among us here in this thread.

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>>23415490
They have been released digitally, as for why nobody has uploaded them... I assume the only people willing to dish out $200+ for all of Umineko are the people who want a physical copy to show for it. Only the digital versions of the first two volumes have been uploaded so far.

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>>23415631
For me it went Higurashi anime > Umineko anime > Umineko Chiru VN > Umineko VN and Higurashi VN.
It was a terrible mistake I made back at the time due to being a dumb teenager who hadn't figured out what VNs were. It severely limited my ability to enjoy both Higurashi and the first half of Umineko for years due to never getting to experience them blind. However, over several years and multiple rereads my memories of the anime were gradually replaced by ones of the VN and I was finally able to appreciate the story in its entirety.

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>>23415433
I was drawn to Higurashi because as a 13 year old acts of gratuitous violence turned me on. Also Rika being young but also an adult was interesting.

Personally I blame the Scholastic book fair and animorphs, what the fuck kind of shit were they having us read.

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Guys I fucked up and started Umineko before playing Higurashi, will I get heavily spoiled? I'm at the start of chapter 2 currently, should I just go and play Higurashi or are the spoilers not really that important?

>>23401511
Just looking at this makes me suffer

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>>23416151
Nothing is spoiled, but go read Higurashi first. Going from Higurashi to Umineko yields a better overall experience. Not to mention people who read Umineko first tend to be retarded, miss the message, and later read Higurashi through the wrong lense.

Also dont look at the higurashi arc map, thats only relevant if youre a console arc fag. Theyre bad, not written by r07, and contrivute nothing. All you need to read is Chapters 1-8 and Rei.

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>>23416151
>Guys I fucked up and started Umineko before playing Higurashi
Why? What made you do it? I’m curious and I wanna know the reason and if it confirms what some people said here.

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>>23416151
Some elements that connect Higurashi and Umineko are there but no direct connections. It’s still retarded to play Umineko first, that absolutely defies how one should go through the WTC series.

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>>23416151
It won't spoil the story at all, but Higurashi is referenced in sort of a metaverse sense that'll make it slightly harder to treat as a standalone story. You should probably stop and read that before Umi starts getting into voyager witch shenanigans. You should be fine if all you've seen is a glimpse of Bern

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>>23416151
Playing Umineko first is a huge mistake. It’s why some people say magic doesn’t exist or the meta world doesn’t exist. Anyone who played Higurashi first would never spout such bullshit.

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>>23416199
>>23416208
>>23416210
>>23416180
Alright thanks, best way to read Higurashi is with the 7th mod patch right? is the steam version fine or is it still incomplete?
>>23416183
I knew they were made by the same person, but I didn't think they'd be in the same universe because of the different artstyle, I played Umineko first because I heard that Higurashi wasn't fully on steam and also because It just seemed more interesting

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>>23416246
>best way to read Higurashi is with the 7th mod patch right?
No. Ryukishi’s original sprites and that’s it. But I’m sick of newfags crying over this every single time I bring it up so suit yourself.

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>>23416246
The Steam version with 07th mod patching in voices is the best. The final chapter releases on May 14th, so may or may not be worth starting right now depending on how much free time you're willing to dedicate to reading
>>23416260
Listen to me: kill yourself

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>>23416246
Don't ask about patches here. It's a contentious topic and OG fags will lose their shit if you do anything but bare bones OG. Simply go about it how you want. Whatever is more enjoyable for you is the best experience.

IMO: PS3 backgrounds + OG sprites + Voices
Delete the cgs.

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>>23416246
I believe the best way is to play with the old art but you do you.
Just forget about Umineko right now and play Higurashi first.

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>>23416260
So true it immediately triggered the newfag falsies.

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>>23416260
Can't you use the original sprites in the 7th mod patch?
>>23416267
>>23416274
>>23416305
Thanks! I'll start reading it right now

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>>23410063
>>23416310
So true it made you immediately reply with so true

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>>23416316
I believe the steam version already have a built in switch or something. It’s definitely included in the Hou release.

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>>23416316
The original sprites are included in the Steam release. There's even a hotkey to switch between them and the Steam sprites. I'd recommend not fucking with the sprites in the files and just switching back and forth for a chapter or two until you decide on which you like better

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>>23416310
Nerve-hitting truth, no wonder the meltdown wwwwwww.

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>>23416151
>will I get heavily spoiled
Somewhat once you meet Bernkastel. Don't google her.

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>>23416358
She was the character that made me think "Doesn't she kind of look like that blue haired girl from the other game?" which is what made me create my first post, I won't google her tho and I'll leave this thread before I get spoiled

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Ryukishi's shitty scribbles are worse no matter how you faggots try to spin it. You could very debatably argue that they have more nuance for a handful of Rika and Mion's sprites, but every other character's is outdone or matched by the modern ones, and Satoko's in particular are just flat-out better across the board. Stop confusing the newfag with your parroted reasonless oldfag swill and tell him specifically why he should use the old sprites if you can

[Anonymous No.]

What is it about the old art that makes people here seethe to oblivion?

[Anonymous No.]

What is it about the new art that makes people here seethe to oblivion?

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>>23416403
Honestly, you must have known that both Higurashi and Umineko are part of the same titled series When They Cry, this whole ordeal shouldn’t have happened if you did a quick googling.
Anyway, good luck and enjoy.
>>23416417
False newfag fans. No real fan would trade the real experience that is the original release with modded shit.

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>>23416417
I don't know, you tell me anon. Look at this expertly crafted depiction of Satoko being troubled, worried, concerned, bantering with K1, and other such things

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>>23416446
Nostalgia goggles.

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>>23416404
The studio does the bad art on purpose to save money. If the vn is a hit, they can always redo the graphics for a broader audience.
Meanwhile, they can milk Higurashi for years to come and when that doesn't work anymore, they can also do another Prism Illya.

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>>23410748
I don't care what the intended experience was. It just turned out good and that's all that matters. Why change it for something worse?

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>>23410866
This bitch is canonically a murder who is going to hell after she dies. And her asshole is all fucked up from being used as a human toilet.

Pathetic chink.

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>>23411329
>I think Phase 1 may be *intended* to come off as propagandistic.
This is obvious. How can people take it as the author preaching his political views? Jayden is a cuck who uses SJW filters to avoid getting in trouble with hyper sensitive faggots in a dystopian "progressive" society. That doesn't mean Ryuukishi agrees with that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Will there be ost wars in a few years?

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>>23416801
I really don't understand how you people can say this shit with a straight face

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>>23411329
I think people are too used to writers shoving their morals down the reader's throat using characters as their mouthpieces. That's why they assume that Ryuukishi agrees with totalitarian states that plan someone's entire life ahead of time just because Miyao happens to agree with the idea.

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>>23416812
Don't talk like that about my wife.

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>>23411012
>loaded to the gills with propaganda
You missed the whole point of what Ryu was doing.

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>>23411830
How the actual fuck are Meow and Beatrice trannies? Did you even read the same story?

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>>23411424
Poor guy. He was minding his own business and they captured him just to check if he was a golden bird?

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>>23413500
Imagine giving a shit about politics instead of making it so the whims of society can't alter your chosen lifestyle.

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>>23416860

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>>23413922
>a scene ending before the song could kick into full swing
This is a problema, but it usually only happens to brainlet speedreaders.

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>>23414033
>he got tricked by discord trannies into viewing Ciconia as a SJW propaganda piece
Imagine letting mentally ill subhumans ruin your enjoyment to this extent.

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>>23415402
Sayo is not a "villain" per se. And I like Takano as a character a lot more.

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>>23415433
>using pedophile as an insult
Go back to discord, tranny.

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>>23417002
Takano has good motivation, but literally everything related to it is gracelessly dumped at the last second. Higurashi has a major pacing problem, and that's not the only example

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>>23403182
>Higurashi doesn't have trannies.
Umineko doesn't have trannies either. Yasu isn't a member of a body modification death cult. And she's not a fucking sjw cunt.

Not only does she not deserve hate, she isn't even a tranny or a sjw to begin with. Just some dude who got fucked over by Kinzo's insane bullshit.

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>>23415490
I'm still trying to find a good version of the manga.

The Japanese version is impossible to find, let alone in good quality. Japs are physicalfags and anti-piracyfags, they don't care about digital preservation.

The English version is either terribly translated by fans or officially translated by a company that couldn't even bother reading the VN to avoid fucking up the terminology.

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>>23417021
Hifumi is hinted at a few times during the question arcs. And I always liked how she is such an obvious villain and her motives are the real mystery.

I think Matsuribayashi is the best arc by far. I have no problems with the first half, it's one of my favorite parts in the whole story.

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>>23416974
I never remember having this problem even once, and I'm a fast reader. If it did happen, the scene was probably short enough that it didn't need the song to fully kick in to make any difference. In my opinion it's a dumb unnecessary limitation on the composers.

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>>23417147
I think the main problem is the song having a slow beginning with 30 seconds of buildup before it actually starts. Sure, you get to hear the full thing before the scene ends most of the time. But often it loops back to that slow beginning right when the scene reaches its climax, which doesn't fit at all.

The trick is not being a speedreader and not using voices or any other stupid shit that slow down the pacing unnecessarily.

(By speedreader I mean those faggots that immediately absorb the text in a split second, getting it wrong half the time and never stopping for even a single second to understand the implication or feel anything at all).

[Anonymous No.]

Naima stoned to death!

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>>23417183
See, I'm never bothered by that slow buildup, because the beat is generally consistent and the feel of the music matches the mood of the scene. That slow portion of the song builds up anticipation during the scene and exponentially gets you pumped as it plays. A song that just starts right out of the gate, is short, and repeats much more frequently is just deadening.

[Anonymous No.]

decided to have a little fun and mess around with applying filters to the ps3 backgrounds

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>>23417239
That looks really nice. What filter did you use?

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>>23417255
need to work on it more obviously, but this is what I've cobbled together so far at least

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>>23417297
Is this Photoshop? I recognize pretty much all the terms and commands but have never seen this way of presenting them in annotated tabs.

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>>23417611
It's the action tab. I recorded the actions so I could run a batch script on all the backgrounds.

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>>23417002
Beato is a literal incel school shooter who wants to bring down the people she deems responsible for her suffering even if it means taking along with a bunch of innocents. I can sympathize with her in the same way I sympathize with Takano and (RGD)Richard, but she certainly isn't just some poor victim of circumstance.

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>>23417002
Beato is a literal incel school shooter who wants to bring down the people she deems responsible for her suffering even if it means taking along with a bunch of innocents. I can sympathize with her in the same way I sympathize with Takano and Evpuneq(rot13 for RGD), but she certainly isn't just some poor victim of circumstance.

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>>23417694
Beato doesn't even know what she wants. She's driven into a corner by her life screwing her over at every turn and decides to go "fuck it" and leave everything to fate. She questions her actions every step of the way and even in death continues to blame herself for the entire incident despite never actually killing anybody. Takano meanwhile laughs gleefully while lobotomizing an innocent woman because she got dropped in a toilet as a kid.

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>>23417745
Don't think most school shooters got chucked off a cliff nor have mutilated genitals.

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>>23418038
You clearly retconned your impression of Beatrice based on how she's portrayed in Chiru. 1-4 Beato is full of internal contradictions and tormented by her impossible goal, sure, but she also clearly indulges in cruelty with a sort of gleeful innocence, and it must be noted that her decision to leave everything to fate is made with certainty. It's not some sort of crazy whim that happens in 1 out of 10000 fragments.
Takano has the capacity for kindness as well, she just rejects acting on it with the same absolute will Yasu has.
>>23418118
Sure they do, if only symbolically.

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>>23418148
Let me be a little more clear: Can you really argue in good faith that Yasu had more of a justification for blowing up her loved ones than the average school shooter? For someone certain that they're disfigured, grotesque, broken because they have been treated like pests their entire life it doesn't matter that they have functional genitalia. Their situation appears just as hopeless to them as if they were a literal eunuch. And Yasu has friends and family she could open up to. If Keiichi and Shion are responsible for their lack of communication and bad decision making, then how is Yasu any different?

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>>23418148
>You clearly retconned your impression of Beatrice based on how she's portrayed in Chiru.
everyone does. OG beato is fucking savage

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone claiming Onikakushi and Watanagashi are good hasn’t read them recently.

The rooftop battle is easily the weakest part of Tsumihoroboshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>23418591
>HOORA, BAAAAAAAAAATORAAA! Time for your 12:00pm island flattening...!

[Anonymous No.]

Hey /07th/. Why didn't you tell me sooner how good RGD was, even if it's not a WTC title? I've just finished reading chapter 3 after putting it aside for a few months since I started reading it (forgot where I was so I read it all from the beginning) and boy I'm having a blast. I was glad to hear some tidbits of Happiness of Marionette in one of the soundtracks. Is Leo the chaddest MC Ryukishi has written? I think he might be equal to K1.
I really love how it depicts protectionism policies or prostitution in such a good light, and while it's heartwarming, I can't wait to see it all fall apart at some point. I want to see Rose getting mindbroken and on her knees when she'll face the cold reality of the universe she was forced to rule over.

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>>23419327
(you)

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>>23420034
Most people who give RGD a chance drop it in season 2 when the streetrats are introduced.

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>>23416966
There's a kind of creativity and beauty that you can find in things that were trying to be expressed despite the limitations, or lack of artistic talent in this case. It's why some older games have such charming aesthetic, and why some of Ryukishi's facial expressions are able to convey very particular feelings at some points. I'm not shitting on the tremendous amount of quality Alchemist put in Higurashi and Umineko's remade sprites, especially the latter. But they have that "generic" and standardized look about them.

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>>23420143
Which is extremely sad. 1949 is some real ryukishi kino.

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>>23420143
Streetrats as in Wayne's little friends? I don't think they've ever been named or properly introduced yet. As long as it's not like when you read Alliance of the Golden witch for the first time, it should be okay. Right?

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Any discussion about artistic merits always make you looks like a fucking pretentious loser. This is a fact.

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>>23420195
looking back on my own experience with RGD I genuinely wonder whether first-time readers wouldn't be better off just skipping the Zel-Oliver-Charles-Nina chapters prior to Zel's second inciting incident. If you find that you like them from the beginning you can disregard what I'm saying of course.

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>>23413836
Higurashi is ancom gang. Also "government does stuff" is not communism. And "muh historical parallels" are all over Higurashi - as batshit crazy as the story is sometimes, it 's pretty grounded in context compared to... most VNs. Even the idea of the swamp gurgling out some miasma that kills everyone has a historical analogue, the Lake Nyos incident.

But really, that's why I said it's more liberal despite the overtones. Minagoroshi is a good example of this. Whereas it somewhat makes the case for mass organizing and direct action as political actions preferable to literally phoning it in and hoping the system works as advertised, you can come away with the impression that the problem was the callousness and incompetence of some particular "bad apple" officials - as opposed to a structural view which would say their ineffectuality is not a perversion of the system, it is the system working exactly as intended. Although, I should say that the influence of the Sonozakis pushing it over the finish line could itself be a fair condemnation of liberal institutions. The treatment of the shrine storage is another example of a very Japanese kind of liberalism. Takano was right and Rika was wrong.

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>>23420259
Get your English straight before chastising others for looking like losers.

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>>23415735

Well, I'm back. Sir, I commend your honesty-- if more people were honest in this thread, it wouldn't be so pants-on-head autistic. Also, I think you've got the right idea-- I gave that book fair so much money over the years, and you know what I got for it? Fucking Animorphs, Hardy Boys, and a big collections of Edgar Allen Poe stories, including Al Aaraaf. Maybe that really does perfectly explain how I got here today?

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>>23416910

Beatrice is **NOT** a tranny. I don't believe that at all, and I'm not sure how you got the feeling that I did from reading my post.

I get that the autism is pretty high on this board, so I'll explain it plainly: There is a very large contingent of (((people))) online (mostly faggots/ trannies) who believe that Yasu/ Beatrice is an MTF tranny, and that Battler is therefore gay. These are the people I'm referring to when I say "Shkanontrice tranny-hypers," and the reason I phrased it that way is because they believe that Shkanontrice theory necessarily requires that Beatrice be a tranny to succeed. If you ever get around to other boards much, these people are fucking EVERYWHERE. Thankfully, I wasn't born retarded, so I don't believe that Beatrice is a tranny, or even that Shkanontrice is real.

As for Meow on the other hand... Dude, I'm like maybe a few hours into Ciconia, so I understand there's a very large margin for error for me to be wrong. That said, Miyao/ Meow are so insufferable that all you'd really need is for Caramelldansen and some rainbow flashing lights to come on during the Jayden date scene, and the picture would be perfect. They aren't like Yasu, who strategically used her various 'personalities' as tools to help improve her acting while committing a crime... Miyao appears to be genuinely mentally ill as a result of his training. I would say he's a tranny, except he hasn't talked about wanting to cut his dick off to become more like Meow yet. Definitely a mentally ill faggot as of where I'm at in the story, though.

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>>23417297
Their is also a "paint effect" filter on Word that do the same effect.

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>>23422528
this reads like copypasta

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>>23422626

It isn't one, but I will fully admit to being long-winded when I write. Just seems more natural to me than writing one or two sentences with no punctuation desu.

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>>23418038
Takano isn't vengeful. She's just crushed by the fact that grandpa went senile, killed himself and never fulfilled his dreams. She couldn't deal with such a sad event and wanted to do everything in her power to at least have him recognized.

Then everything went wrong and she chose to immortalize herself as the mysterious ringleader behind the curse of Hinamizawa. She was willing to kill people who got in her way, considering them "evil" in her self-righteous mindset. But she never intended to massacre the entire town until they decided to drop the research and pretend the disease never existed.

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>>23417745
Yasu isn't driven by revenge. If anything, her main goal is killing the innocents because Maria is fucked for life and George made it seem like he'd fucking jump off a bridge if his waifu turned out to be an eunuch/killed herself.

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>>23422528
Woukd you care to explain how someone born as a male, raised as a girl, who then experimented living as both a girl and a boy, decided to be a girl in the end and give up the male persona, and loved Battler, is anything but trans?

And how Battler, who knows the truth, and loves Sayo (born male), isn't then considered gay (at least when it comes to her). Or do you consider trannies to be the gender theyre pretending to be, thus makng Battler still 100% straight?

Sure it wasn't natural, it was something she was forced into in the beginning, and ger fucked up childhood basically conditioned her into it, but still, how is Sayo anything but?

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>>23418148
Takano is a cute kid turned sociopath. She can empathize with people but chooses to ignore her conscience so she can achieve her goals.

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>>23420143
Seriously? That's when I really fell in love with it. Zel a cute and the kids start annoying but grow on you pretty quick.

Maybe I'm biased because Nina is my type of girl and sort of a proto-Gunhild.

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>>23420266
Jesus Christ, dude. It's not THAT bad. Hell, I like it more than the first season overall. I really don't understand why you dislike them so much to the point of telling people to skip over it. This isn't Akasaka playing a clusterfuck game of mahjong.

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>>23422528
It's heavily implied that Miyao was born female and doesn't have a dick. He's just a mentally ill chick with weaponized DID.

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>>23422528
BASED
beatrice is a CUTE tomboy and Battler love her
anon join ERIKANTRICECHADS

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>>23423125
>Woukd you care to explain how someone born as a male, raised as a girl, who then experimented living as both a girl and a boy, decided to be a girl in the end and give up the male persona, and loved Battler, is anything but trans?
Trannies claim that they are born with a brain of the opposite gender and struggle with their identity. Sayo was born a normal guy and got fucked over by castration and lifelong lies about "herself". If anything, this is a disturbed guy who only feels like a girl because he has no testosterone whatsoever, stopped developing male traits as a literal baby and got raised as the wrong gender. Of course she feels more comfortable as a girl, she was literally conditioned into it. And even so, despite how much she wants to reject the truth, she still cannot get rid of the part of herself that Kanon represents. Kanon is the true Yasu, the others are basically just masks she doesn't want to drop because Kanon is a miserable eunuch with a stitched together peehole.

So this is not a tranny. It's an unwilling eunuch who was lied to his whole life and now can't bring himself to accept the truth. The female identity is too strong after living like that for so long.

Don't bring up Lion because his whole existence is meant to be Yasu's idealized self. He wouldn't be such an androgynous, mild-mannered fag in a realistic version of his fantasy fragment.

>And how Battler, who knows the truth, and loves Sayo (born male), isn't then considered gay (at least when it comes to her). Or do you consider trannies to be the gender theyre pretending to be, thus makng Battler still 100% straight?
Battler would be gay if he was attracted to men. He only likes Beato in the meta, because she's a girl there. And even the real Sayo would basically be a girl to him, considering he's always known her as a girl and she herself grew up thinking she was a girl.

How is Battler gay if he doesn't like dudes? His meta waifu has a female body and her "real" version is a totally prepubescent eunuch with no traits of either sex. And most importantly, this eunuchs was always a girl for both Battler and herself. So she's technically a girl.

Someone's self-image matters a lot when it comes to attraction. Have you seen those doujins where some fat otaku turns himself into a slutty loli? Those do absolutely fucking nothing for me, because the mind inside that cute head is still one that view itself as a fat male otaku and remembers having been one. Self-image is important.

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>>23423125

**Because there is no evidence whatsoever that Sayo Yasuda was born male.** That's something you came up with, because you personally felt that it was easier for a penis and balls to be damaged from a high fall than a vagina and made an assumption, based upon what you already wanted to believe. On that note, I would be willing to bet cryptomoney that you're either trans yourself, or else have jerked off to anime traps in the last 30 days.

Consequently, my view is that, if Lion truly were a male by sex, then he would have no insecurities about telling people as much... being the rightful male heir to the headship of a prestigious (and highly traditional) family name. To believe otherwise is to completely remove Krauss's influence as a parent from the equation and, further, to completely rob Lion's upbringing of any cultural context. I'll trust I do not need to explain why, although I'd be happy to elaborate if I must. Furthermore, it is extremely unlikely that Lion would regardless feel the same incessant need to disguise his gender, if he were male, and to challenge the gender paradigm at every possible opportunity in how he dresses and wears his hair.

It is far more likely that Lion, in that one-in-a-million universe, is actually a biological woman by sex. A woman that feels insecure about her sex, because she lives within the confines of an extremely powerful, and extremely traditional family and does not wish to present an image of weakness as its new head. She understands that she is only the head because no male heir was born before her, or in her stead. Therefore, she chooses to wear masculine-styled clothing, so that she will not let her family down as its interim leader. This is also why she is able to open up to Will as a woman; his way of doing business is to understand the heart of the matter without attending to trifling details. With respect to that, he is perfectly sympathetic to Lion's insecurities, and she therefore feels comfortable exposing her weakness to him.

Or, you could believe that everyone is gay and everyone's a tranny because you want to. Your move, Tumblr.

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>>23420034
I really like the fighting minigame in RGD. It seems pointless because you can't actually "lose" for doing it wrong, but it REALLY makes the fights feel satisfying and pretty intense at times. It gets harder or easier depending on your skill level, so it always feels right.

I don't get why they give you the option to skip the whole thing with the space bar, though. I guess if could be useful if you have no hands or can't use the mouse for some reason, but... it's a pretty pointless feature that isn't properly explained by the tutorial. Many people assume it's an auto-win button, which is itself retarded and would ruin the whole point of the mechanic if you used it, but it's actually a "skip the entire fight with a button press" button, which is even worse. Literally who is this meant for?

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>>23423438
You can't take Lion's characterization at face value, because the Lion from EP7 is literally a fantasy character living in a literal fantasy fragment. Everything about this world is fake, including Lion's appearance, personality and beliefs. The real Lion would be pretty different from this one, we just don't know because he never had a chance to be a thing IRL. EP7 Lion, and the perfect world he inhabits, are part of Yasu's imagination. It's a what-if world as imagine by Yasu.

But it's true that EP7 Lion could be either male or female. That's the whole point of this fantasy character, regardless of the obvious truth. They are a fantasy character whose entire purpose is being a gender catbox.

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>>23423365
>Kanon is the true Sayo
I take it you missed the entire duel in Chiru.

Also just because Sayo doesnt line up with the typical trans shit pushed now doesn't mean she doesn't count as one. You can spin it however you want, she was born a guy, and despite being originally forced to live as a girl, has now chosen willingly to live as one.

Also I attached the "at least when it comes to her" qualifier to Battler being gay for a reason. He may not be attracted to males, but he does like Sayo. It doesn't matter how Beatrice is portrayed in the meta, she's still Sayo, and Sayo is a boy. Spin it however you want to make yourself happy.


>>23423438
Keep projecting the tumblr shit.
But goddamn, how are you so blind as to miss all the evidence that makes its clear as fucking day Sayo was born male?
>"Man was 19 years ago."
>"Why won't I get my period... a flat boyish body..."
>Lion: "I’m also skilled at cooking. Gender equality, after all. I think that regardless of gender, one should be able to stand in the kitchen."
Why would Lion, if male, say that its gender equality for a girl to cook? And that a woman should be allowed in the kitchen?
Why would a girl being raised as a girl be traumatic? Just because she can't give birth? lmao
Why would a girl, raised as a girl, try out living as a boy, as Kanon? There would be 0 motivation or reason. Just as there's no vagina, there's also no dick. Unless you mean to say that being flat-chest was the cause of all of Sayo's suffering and questioning.

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>>23423531
>Why would Lion, if fe*male

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>>23423276

Beatrice is a cute woman and Erika is an anomalous 'piece' conceived of by Beatrice to change up the formula and keep things flavorful/ interesting for her beloved Battler. Yeah, that has been my honest, time-honored belief this whole time. Beatrice is a master storyteller, having spent her youth in a library and having gone out of her way books which catered to Battler's specific tastes. I don't know if I'd call her a tomboy (she might not be totally 'flat,' but using breast-bindings to disguise as Kanon, and padding to enhance as Beatrice,) but she's certainly the most devoted anime wife of all time.

I'll actually go a step further: In all games, while Beatrice is the mastermind of a wholesome muder-mystery theatre game between herself and Battler, Hideyoshi and George (the primary accessory) capitalize on everyone's confusion and become the culprits in every game. Eva covers up their crimes out of love for her now-deceased family. Eva had no foreknowledge of the crime, because they both conspired behind her back ahead of the family conference. Hideyoshi is motivated by money; George by love, a lust for power, and his desire to remake the family in his image. Oftentimes they are partially (or completely) thwarted... things go awry, and either one or both of them die in the process of executing the crime.

I know this because, stastically-speaking, there is less red text which prohibits this combination of culprits than any other in the entire game.

This is far more elegant than to believe EVAtrice theory, and certainly more elegant than Battler Family Culprit Theory, wherein Battler just happens to stumble back home the very year that his family decide to commit a mass murder. Further, it obliterates Shkannontrice theory, which attempts to circumvent the Decalogue (thereby ruining the spirit of the game) and several instances of red text that would otherwise forbid Yasu from committing the crimes herself. No trickery is required: You do not have to believe that a person can't be a mastermind and also a maid, or that a person is forgiven of their crimes the moment they decide they are now "someone else." You do not have to believe in convoluted mental illnesses, and you do not have to break the game for this theory to work.

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>>23423474
I was playing with a touchpad since I didn't have a mouse and I think it eventually became too hard to win consistently so I mostly moved on to the spacebar. At least for me failing the fight ruins the immersion far more than skipping it. I mean, the characters are winning, if I lose I'll feel narrative dissonance.

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holy fucking shit this thread.
>>23423563
Look, I do agree that it ought to be possible to construct a more elegant, thematically fitting solution to Umineko if we were to look at ep 1-4 in isolation and write our own answer arcs - even if we were to restrict ourselves further by also having that answer be compatible with the chiru red truths and the Decalogue taken in a "spirit of the law", "no sneaky semantic parlor tricks"-way, but you just can't get around scenes like the chick Beato love duel. Those scenes just turn into complete non sequiturs if Shannon=Kanon=Beatrice isn't the truth.

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>>23423695
These fags will perform amazing mental gymnastics, it's wasted effort. The manga spells things out even more than the VN because of retards like this, but it still wasn't enough. R07 himself could make a speech where he details everything in perfect English, and it still wouldn't change a thing.

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>>23423531

I'll first directly respond to the questions you asked, and address anything else as it comes up.

>Why would Lion, if male, say that its gender equality for a girl to cook? And that a woman should be allowed in the kitchen?

This is mostly a red-herring but, again, inject some cultural context. This woman was probably throwing a football with daddy Krauss her whole life. Even Jessica is a bit of a tomboy, and almost to a dykeish degree. Why wouldn't Lion be even more tomboyish, and cultivated to become naturally more serious as the eldest sibling and heir to the metaphorical throne? She's lived her whole life being treated boyishly, and waited on hand-and-foot by servants. To that end, she likely has some confusing feelings about her sex and does not believe she belongs in the kitchen, despite being a woman.

>Why would a girl being raised as a girl be traumatic? Just because she can't give birth? lmao

Who ever said it had to be? But let's be real, that thing probably looks like a fucking axe-wound, not a vagina. It's probably even worse looking than the average ""neovagina."" It was likely stitched up by Nanjo, who is nothing more than a physician and friend of Kinzo's, not a surgeon, without a hospital or nurses, or even the proper equipment to do the job. There can be no wonder then why she doesn't get her period... She probably suffered ovi-rot a long, long time ago. It's frankly even a miracle that she's alive at all and didn't succumb to infection. Hence, Ryukishi's comments that they had to gloss over this section.

>Why would a girl, raised as a girl, try out living as a boy, as Kanon?

Didn't you ever play pretend as a child? Putting on a different mask for a day doesn't mean she believes she is a boy-- just as you wouldn't believe that all drag queens are gay or trans-- but I think it should be obvious to anyone with eyes that she feels unworthy as a woman, with her current body. Maybe she felt that living as a humble piece of furniture would sufficiently warn away potential suitors better than living as a homely woman. She likely finally learned to be more feminine only for Battler's sake, and I think the whole situation with Jessica *really* caught her off-guard. That's likely exactly why Kanon acts like he's caught off-guard every time she comes onto him, and also why he always rebuffs her with the furniture line.

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>>23423695

I had a feeling I'd get called out for saying it the way I did, because I posted my comment without ever really fixing that part. What I really meant to say is, "They're the same person, but that theory *presumes* complete criminality, so it isn't 'real' in the sense that it does not accurately describe what happened." I'm gonna issue a formal "my b" for causing confusion there, lmao.

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>>23423658
I think you can press enter to auto-hit the target. Rather than using the space bar to straight up skip the fight.

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>>23423735
The thing is, I don't even understand why someone would feel the need to defend a line of reasoning that makes it so Beatrice isn't a eunuch. If the problem is politicals trying to appropriate Beato and Miyao as symbols for trans representation or whatever, all you have to do is point out that these characters are actually portrayed in a rather problematic light. The "heart" the reader is meant to unlock isn't pretty, uplifting or wholesome, the readers aren't expected to accept Beatos actions the way Battler does, it's easy to see that the romance between Jayden and Meow is going to run into huge problems and probably turn into a tragedy because they can't expect Miyao to consent to it and so on. You can simply contest the alleged moral implications of the facts, rather than trying to get around the facts themselves.

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>>23424018

Oh no, I definitely believe Beatrice is a eunuch. She's just a female eunuch, for headpatting and blowjobs only.

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>>23424048
well, whatever makes you happy I guess

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>>23423974
Oh, maybe I did that instead. Don't really remember anymore.

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>>23423123
That's what she tells herself, and it's the reason she always makes sure to give at least Maria a painless death, but her primary motive is demonstrated by her metaworld interactions with Battler and the scenes Beatrice, Shannon and Kanon have between themselves. If she just wanted to suicide herself and Maria and give Genji her farewell letters to George and Jessica she could have done that quietly.

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>>23424265
She wants to create an impossible crime for Maria, though. And she also needs to kill at least one person to make sure her life is ruined and she won't chicken out before killing herself. If she doesn't kill anyone, she doesn't even have the guts to let that bomb tick down to midnight.

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>>23424018
Isn't Miyao a huge fucking faggot though? Or does it just seem that way?

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>>23424839
Just tell Maria a suitably magical story about how you're going to the goldenland together and she'll accept it - it's what she wants to believe after all. And if the whole "I have to really make sure to ruin my life beyond repair so I don't chicken out on my suicide later -> and if I'm going to go that far I might as well take it to the extreme and kill a whole bunch of people"-motif isn't classic school shooter reasoning I don't know what is.

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chloe's monthly subscriptions to her orgy servers

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>>23424856
You mean, the fact that Miyao is weirded out by Jaydens sexual approaches makes him secretly gay? And if he weren't weirded out he'd be openly gay? Just like ultra-masculine, high-class, flamboyant, shy behavior are all simultaneously coded as totally gay?

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Which Ciconia is best at sucking, I wonder?

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>>23425170
all of them because ciconia sucks ass

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>>23424856

Trannies will believe literally anything as long as it's convenient for them, dude, even lies. "It's straight if I suck you off because I identify as a girl. Liking real girls is gay because they're irrational and feminine just like fags anyway am I right bro? Hahaha now take your pants off."

>>23425096

COPING LEVEL: SMALL BOMBS

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>>23425170
Most of them are just KIDs, so I imagine the literal slaves like Koshka are the most likely candidates. I'm sure Chloe would try her best though, and at the very least it'd be exciting for her, which is already kind of hot by itself.

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>>23425170
the nuns

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the incel resentment of ushiromiya yasu!

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>>23425201
You just KNOW Chloe sucked Okonogi before the battle festival

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>>23425404
meant for >>23425345

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>>23425395
why is Beat/r9k/e so cute?

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If Jayden is Hanyuu then...

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>>23425170
Gunhild canonically sucked dicks to reach her position being a talentless street rat.

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>>23425607
I still refuse to believe the one on the top is a girl. And the other one is literally the girl from subahibi that got fucked by a dog.

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>>23425622
miyao is the most fuckable of the group

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Are tranny spammers worse than wojak spammers?

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>>23427203
There's a difference?

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Hello dear Hinamizawa citizens. Could you please post spoiler free pictures and fanarts of Keireiji from Rose Guns Days? Keireiji or the Primavera club characters, actually. I'm too scared to stumble upon things I shouldn't know about on the internet since I'm only at the beginning chapter 4, so I'm relying on you guys. Thanks in advance!

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>>23423474
>It gets harder or easier depending on your skill level, so it always feels right.
Really? It only got harder to the point I'm now too slow to do more than 4 clicks in the attack sequences, so even overkill is becoming kind of hard now. Also, does the game register missed clicks? How do you get a straight flush?

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>>23429223
>Keireiji
I would , but I have no idea who you're talking about

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>>23429468
The white haired guy who was a military officer. The guy who introduced Leo to the whole warbuddies thing. Pic related