Umineko for the lulz

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Umineko for the lulz Anonymous Fri Mar 20 01:31:17 2009 No.2279200 [Reply] [Original]

I have only one thing to say...Nasu is a genius.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 01:33:38 2009 No.2279203 Janitor, I know you're out there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 01:35:17 2009 No.2279211 EHPIC LULZ

>>	Asian Anon of /jp/ !CirnoMZbR6 Fri Mar 20 01:36:17 2009 No.2279212 >>2279203 Look on topic to me besides the used of lulz.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 01:42:17 2009 No.2279220 >lulz

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 02:37:17 2009 No.2279410

Is it just me or is the premise of the fight between Beatrice and Battler absolutely absurd? He fights by denying supernatural forces, while he is talking to a woman made out of golden butterflies? Okay, I guess Beatrice needs to havve her witchdom admitted to, either because there is some metaphysical reason (ie, like a White Wold sort of system where people's beliefs effect magical power) or because she's over-the-top fucked up in the head.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 02:38:17 2009 No.2279416 >>2279410 Someone needs to read episode 3

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 02:49:17 2009 No.2279443

I don't know what's supposed to happen in 3, but it remains a fact that this "fight" is silly. Even if Beatrice has some sort of metaphysical reason for it (as suggested by the parents' admission of her witch-hood before all being killed), the way the game tries to present Battler as Pheonix Wright by pointing out every far-fetced possibility in a certain scenario, ie, proving something isn't impossibe...I wonder how long the real Pheonix Wright would take to go through his cases if he could do the same. Indeed, the comparison between these two I've seen around here are frankly hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 02:50:17 2009 No.2279447 >>2279443 sigh.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 03:59:17 2009 No.2279621 >>2279443 Read episode 3, it explains some of what you're asking. Also what's with the surge of people who ask questions about Umineko before finishing it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 04:02:17 2009 No.2279630 >>2279621 Retards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 04:03:17 2009 No.2279632 >>2279621 they want to know what happens without going through the trouble of playing it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 04:05:17 2009 No.2279637 >>2279410 From the way anons have talked, you'd think there was romantic interest and possible Beatrice x Battler pairing. Is this not true /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 04:05:17 2009 No.2279638 >>2279200 Evidence: 1) Nasu 2) lulz 3) Vista 4) umineko_lol2.jpg Conclusion: <-- /a/

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 04:26:17 2009 No.2279724 >>2279638 It's a clever troll, you moron. Conclusion: Troll <-- /v/ You <-- /a/

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 05:04:17 2009 No.2279839

>>2279630
There are some types of Umineko retards. For example:
1) Ask questions before finishing the game.
2) Admit witch's existence but call themselves anti-fantasy. In other words, they have forgotten that explaining all murders with "human logic" is the way to deny the witch.
3) Call Bernkastel "Frederica".

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 05:23:17 2009 No.2279915 >>2279839 >3) Call Bernkastel "Frederica". Fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 06:30:17 2009 No.2280160 >>2279915 Character names are very important info. Those who think little of info might never reach the truth. One of famous theories in Japan is highly related to it.

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 06:46:17 2009 No.2280195
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>>2280160
>Those who think little of info might never reach the truth.
>reach the truth

The fuck is this? Is that you izanami? I thought you were already dead

>>2279443

If memory serves me right FUKUI-SAN!, the magic that Battler sees is just Beatrice stating her point that magic exists. It doesn't mean that it's the truth, it's just a statement. So, Battler can also make the statement that magic doesn't exist and they both have to try to convince the other to accept their respective statement to make that the single truth

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Fri Mar 20 06:49:17 2009 No.2280201 File: 75 KB, 500x500, 2niy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2279839 They should call her Fancy Rika instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 06:59:17 2009 No.2280225 >>2280201 no. they should just call her fred

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 07:04:17 2009 No.2280239 File: 243 KB, 537x732, 2406124.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2280225 or '34's favorite sex toy'

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 07:21:17 2009 No.2280272

>>2280195
What we have to note about magics is that not all of them are visible.
In EP3, Eva-Beatrice claimed that she changed Kyrie's mind and it was her magic too.
And, Ryuukishi07 has said that "lots of parts of the real had been overwritten and some of them are so dirty because they don't even look non-real."

Important is defining what you believe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 07:28:17 2009 No.2280289 >>2280239 Why do I never see pictures of her. Always the other girls.

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 07:54:17 2009 No.2280367

I would be looking at Umineko differently if I never seen higurashi, because that story colors your expectations of what to expect. In Higurashi, there was this mystery that you knew was supposed to be solvable, you had hints and fore-shadowings, and the resolution didn't nescisarily contradict the hints and evidence -- at least not very badly -- but the truth was so far-fetched, so bizarre, that you couldn't help but be dumbfounded. NO ONE could realistically guess what was behind the Higurashi events. Because of that, people will look at Umineko in the same light -- you know there is going to be some sort of twist for the bizarre. But the fact of magic is beyond debate at this point -- multiple characters have witnessed magic, and done so from a dirst-person narrative position. There's no way the story is getting out of that. Beatrice might get a turn-on from debating this with Battler, but then the premise of the fight becomes very petty, silly, and hardly worth all the drama being run through.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:04:17 2009 No.2280404 Actually, Japanese fanbase's theories and non-Japanese fanbase's theories are rather different, and Ryuukishi is confronting the former.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:05:17 2009 No.2280409 >>2280404 Oh? What crazy theories do the Elevens have that are different from our own?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:19:17 2009 No.2280458 >>2280409 That this is THE GAME

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:23:17 2009 No.2280468 >>2280404 Most of us are one episode behind them. They probably played episode 4 already, while we'll probably play 33% of it in more than 1 day from now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:23:17 2009 No.2280469 >>2280458 what? seriously

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>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:29:10 2009 No.2280485 >>2280409 Probably that Battler fell off the front of the boat and everything after the trip to the island has been a coma he's been in. [spoier]we all know he fell off the back.[/spoiler]

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:30:17 2009 No.2280490 >>2280409 Probably that Battler fell off the front of the boat and everything after the trip to the island has been a coma he's been in. we all know he fell off the back.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:34:17 2009 No.2280494 >>2280490 I think he fell off the wagon instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:36:17 2009 No.2280501 >>2280490 That'd be a lame reason. I don't want to think Ryuukishi would use such lame explanations, I expect much fancier plot twists.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:37:17 2009 No.2280504 >>2280501 Ryubroshi outsourced the writing of this chapter to Nasu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:40:17 2009 No.2280506 It's all a dream by Battler on the way to the island. Every chapter is a different dream that's part of his REM cycles.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 08:40:17 2009 No.2280508 >>2280494 Could actually be true. Battler may have gotten into Kinzo's absinthe cabinet in one of the chapters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 09:02:17 2009 No.2280580 >>2280367 Only stupid people didn't figure out Higurashi before Minagoroshi-hen. And no, it's not beyond debate. Read episode 3, please.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 09:05:17 2009 No.2280594 Rosa is the rapist

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 09:08:17 2009 No.2280601 >>2280594 Wait, I thought Battler was the rapist. Unless Battler IS Rosa!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 09:10:17 2009 No.2280609 >>2280601 Battler is Ronove.

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 09:21:17 2009 No.2280653

>>2280409
(Sorry my English isn't good.)

It's hard to explain, but following two things are important:
1) They don't admit the witch REALLY, and are trying to explain meta-world and magics with something inside the real world of Umineko.
2) They pay attention to the viewpoint of the story. Most of them have supposed that "red text" and "Battler's personal view" are truth, and are speculating about what the scenes which aren't Battler's view are.

So, they have been continuing to say "Kinzo might have been dead" ever since EP1.

After EP2 was released, "magical half are someone's creation" theory got popular. For example, "non-Battler's view is Maria's imagination written in the message bottle."
(I think that's why Maria was killed at the second twilight in EP3. Ryuukishi perhaps wanted to show that magics could appear even after Maria died.)
At the same time, they proved all secret rooms in EP2 can be made by only 2 persons.

After EP3 was released, "Kinzo has been dead" theory became one of the strongest theory. And "Beatrice III" theory appeared.

...I think I shouldn't write about EP4 here.

These are just summaries of a part of theories. There are tons of theories in Umineko Wiki.
But what I want to say is the difference of stances, not details.
They think the forms of magics, including meta-world, are hints to the truth, not just obstructions which aren't concerned with the will of murders.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 09:29:17 2009 No.2280694 File: 247 KB, 511x497, 3506837.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Daily 90% thread?

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Anonymous Fri Mar 20 11:08:17 2009 No.2281016

Here is what is probably going to happen -- something so ridiculous NO ONE would imagine it inspite of the hints and no glaring contradictions.

And if anyone claims they knew how Hirgurashi would turn out...they lie. Plain and simple. There's no way you went into the final arc expecting a ghost loli with horns hanging out with Rika, a government conspiracy ontop of a secret society plot, alien diseases, queen carriers...at best you went in knowing Rika was important, there were multiple reality resets, there was some sort of mysterious orginization at the center...but that's it.

So, everyone just concluded that the Oyashiro murders were based off of something supernatural, due to the nature of the deaths and conditions under which they occur..and the fact that obviously something very supernatural was definately going on (reality resets). But there was no way we could know there was a bizarre virus that makes people paranoid and kill thesmelves and that Rika was the key for a very iffy explination. You just couldn't imagine it because ourr minds just aren't prepared to go from 1+1x2 to applejuice-powered timetravel reactors.

So now we have...Beato (lol) appearing and disapearing in clouds of golden butterflies, killing people with homing stakes that transform into cute girls and then talking to the victims' ghosts. And Battler is arguing against this...WHILE inside some sort of re-incarnated world setting! The only why they can get out of THIS is if Beatrice pulls a President Eden on us.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 11:11:17 2009 No.2281019 yeah, japs disappoint when it comes to endings

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 11:15:17 2009 No.2281024

>>2281016

If you didn't figure out who the culprit was or that there was some sort of conspiracy by Minagoroshi-hen, you are a fucking retard.

And alien diseases and queen carrier shit doesn't even exist so that just shows how much attention you paid.

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 11:25:17 2009 No.2281034

>>2281024
Someone needed to pay attention to what the fuck was happening. Rika was the queen carrier which is why everyone was so nice to her, and why people killed themselves when they tried to leave -- it triggered the the damn virus. Because it liked to be close to the queen or some stupid bs.

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 11:29:17 2009 No.2281045

>>2281034

Durhur maybe you missed the whole thing where Takano was completely ass wrong about the queen carrier theory.

It has nothing to do with Rika, because people were fine in both Watanagashi-hen and Meakashi-hen after she died and the 'Great Hinamizawa Disaster' didn't happen.

Hinamizawa Syndrome is triggered by location and paranoia ONLY.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 11:50:17 2009 No.2281101 >>2281024 Anime doesn't count because it made everything too fucking obvious, especially with showing that the Yamainu were behind it in the arc they made especially for the anime.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 11:58:17 2009 No.2281121 >>2281101 I'm not talking about the anime. Plus, a lot of that arc (including Rena's hat etc) was from Tatarigoroshi-hen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 12:03:17 2009 No.2281135 In the game, the word "Yamainu" and "Hinamizawa Syndrome" appeared in Tatarigoroshi-hen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 13:33:17 2009 No.2281504 Anyone know if there's an EP4 download out?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 13:41:17 2009 No.2281547 >>2281504 http://www.tokyotosho.com/details.php?id=195490 here you go, anon. It's the game itself, but english patch is still 90% complete... ;_;

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 13:43:17 2009 No.2281560 >>2281547 >but english patch is still 28% complete... Fixed it. Sadly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 13:44:17 2009 No.2281569 >>2281560 well, the first patch is 90%.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 14:03:17 2009 No.2281706 Well, that's fine. Gives me a chance to play other games. Count me in with those who fear that the anime going to suck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 14:14:17 2009 No.2281771 Hey any fanart of the spears? Or of Battler being furniture?

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>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 14:28:17 2009 No.2281869 File: 525 KB, 840x910, 3525459.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] not gonna happen

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:05:17 2009 No.2282054 As an anon, I respect and support your, Beato's, depraved fetishes. May I suggest: having Battler lick your fingers clean while Rudolf kisses your shoes?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:13:17 2009 No.2282107 File: 133 KB, 650x547, areeeeeeeeeeejpg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:21:17 2009 No.2282136 File: 20 KB, 422x343, awesomebeato.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:23:17 2009 No.2282142 File: 555 KB, 1239x800, 1237456646710.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2281771 Delicious full bodied stakes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:24:17 2009 No.2282147 File: 453 KB, 600x600, 3535851.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] MANSERVICE

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:24:17 2009 No.2282149 >>2282142 garters hnnnnnnggggggg

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Fri Mar 20 15:25:17 2009 No.2282156 >>2282142 I wish I had my own personal guard of strapping, busty girls from Hell. They'd really make an impression on the neighbors.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:31:17 2009 No.2282178 File: 949 KB, 1350x1159, 3514167.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't care if she's a terrible mother or a mass murderess, I would hit that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:37:17 2009 No.2282203 File: 366 KB, 1000x1000, 3459488.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BEST END

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:42:17 2009 No.2282226 >>2282142 Too bad they're all useless now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:44:17 2009 No.2282235 >>2282226 Well, they do better in EP4. Also: BUTTERFLY KISS TRANSLATION WHERE?!?!?!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:45:17 2009 No.2282241 You think the first patch will be done this weekend?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:49:17 2009 No.2282258 >>2282241 Chronotrig said 'A little over a week' a week ago. So... Hopefully. They haven't updated to 100% yet though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:58:17 2009 No.2282311 File: 129 KB, 501x700, 1zewpdu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2282226 Useless but oh-so-adorable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 16:58:17 2009 No.2282642 If asked which body part I'd like pierced I would have to say the heart. I feel the heart is the most civilized and noble place to be stabbed

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>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 18:46:17 2009 No.2283173 File: 688 KB, 778x1100, 13494678.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2282226 Mammon is still somewhat useful.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 19:25:17 2009 No.2283347 >>2282147 MOAR MANSERVICE! Bring out Ghoda!!!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 19:26:17 2009 No.2283350 >Umineko It's shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 21:10:17 2009 No.2283935 What's the likeliness of a Beato x Battler end? Slim to none?

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 21:19:17 2009 No.2283998

>>2283935

Considering what she did to Battler in episode 3.....Yeah,nothings going to happen. I wouldnt hope for a turn around of Beatrice either since when it comes to Ryukishi,the "bad" characters are nigh-impossible to change.

>>2283350

...Ohhh...? So now Umineko has trolls too?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 21:24:17 2009 No.2284030 >>2283998 This is weekend /jp/. Everything is trolled, no exceptions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 21:46:17 2009 No.2284146 >>2283350 >I quit at the beginning of ep1

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 21:50:17 2009 No.2284165 >>2284146 I found the introduction of characters at the airport quite a bit longer than I liked, and that stopped me for a week, but after that, it's fine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 21:58:17 2009 No.2284222 File: 79 KB, 899x661, 1235749082374.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] also anyone have the other version of this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:02:17 2009 No.2284249 >>2284165 The first half of the first episode does have a bad pace. It's not until around 30% in until the character introductions stop and the story picks up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:39:17 2009 No.2284789 Umineko has pros and cons for me: PROS Family drama cacklecackle* George and Shannon Pheonix Wright Creative murders CONS Airport Uuuuuuu Kannon and Jessica

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:49:17 2009 No.2284847 >>2284789 ITS GONNA FALL ITS GONNA FALL

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:49:17 2009 No.2284851 File: 12 KB, 265x167, Mariashock.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2284789 >CONS >Uuuuuuu

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:51:17 2009 No.2284864 File: 317 KB, 1687x1200, umineko01_170-171.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 00:07:17 2009 No.2284947 >Creative murders Eh. It overuses closed room murders.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 00:42:17 2009 No.2285161 >>2284947 It's a closed room murder mystery. Half of them aren't even closed rooms anyway, Battler's just made to think they are. >>2284789 >CONS >Airport >Uuuuuuu Agreed. >Kannon and Jessica Get out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 01:07:17 2009 No.2285302 >>2285161 There is actually someone who doesn't kind Kannon and jessica to be an extremly forced relationship?

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 01:25:17 2009 No.2285374

>>2285302

There's no relationship. People don't seem to get the point of their story.

They haven't had a chance to have a relationship yet; it's essentially a story of them finally getting the courage to act on their feelings in episode 2... right before they die.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 02:27:17 2009 No.2285602

Sorry, but Beato is ALL OVER that meat. She sufffers from a large number of Freudian slips that hard to misunderstand -- like requiring Battler to strip naked before crawling on the ground before her. She all but slobers when ranting about how she would "love" him. But also frequently offers her advice regarding women at odd times.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 02:58:17 2009 No.2285727

>>2285374
>They haven't had a chance to have a relationship yet; it's essentially a story of them finally getting the courage to act on their feelings in episode 2... right before they die.

Most people don't like the fact that there's so much drama over their little crushes they have. Plus, while I have nothing against Jessica, I find Kanon to be a faggot.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:07:17 2009 No.2285761

>>2284789
> Airport
I love that airport scene, though I didn't like Higurashi's club activities too much.

> Uuuuuuu
I don't know what you mean. You mean Maria's "uu- uu-" annoys you?
But her redundant "uu- uu-" obviously aims to annoy us. It's an important noise, I think.

> Kanon and Jessica
Their relationship is loved by fans.
Actually half of Umineko fans are female and most of them love Jessica x Kanon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:12:17 2009 No.2285783 >>2285761 I personally hate it, even more than George-Shannon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:24:17 2009 No.2285833 File: 134 KB, 750x624, jessicashannon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Jessica - Shannon is my favorite pairing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:30:17 2009 No.2285861 File: 142 KB, 646x505, umineko_tsundora.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:33:17 2009 No.2285884 >>2285861 I dont know if Jessy is tsundora towards Kanon or if she just doesn't know that she's in love with Kanon herself yet. She seems embarassed and unsure about her feelings, that could be the same thing though.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:34:17 2009 No.2285887
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TV Kannon will look sort of like Lelouch.

I'm actually a little afraid the anime is going to drastically change the way people are drawn in fanart.

Like George, ahh they butchered him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 04:00:17 2009 No.2286034 >remember the weeks without any updates and fall into the abyss of despair

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sat Mar 21 07:13:17 2009 No.2286701 File: 212 KB, 640x480, 1231782622032.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I was quite surprised when the true culprit appeared in episode 4.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 07:14:17 2009 No.2286705 >>2286701 I hate you

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 07:29:17 2009 No.2286750 File: 109 KB, 435x480, shannon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2286705

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 07:32:17 2009 No.2286759 >>2286701 Too bad you can see the pixels

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 08:13:17 2009 No.2286902 File: 33 KB, 863x480, 1236013847248.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2286750

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 08:16:17 2009 No.2286916 >I have only one thing to say...Nasu is a genius. >Nasu ...Nasu wrote Umineko?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 08:30:17 2009 No.2286938 >>2286916 It was me. I wrote Umineko.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 08:37:17 2009 No.2286956 umineko is shit writer tries to create drama by forcing characters together, would be a thousand times better if the relationship bullshit was left out

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 08:40:17 2009 No.2286961 >>2286956 This. Besides, it'll make the game more popular as fans can think about making love to Shannon or Jessica without raging.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 08:44:17 2009 No.2286979 Who the fuck cares about Shannon or Jessica? They can have their retard counterparts for all I care. Fuck yeah, Maria. I want to hear her moan 'uu-uuuu-uuu' as I penetrate her cute little ass.

>>	Nasu Sat Mar 21 08:46:17 2009 No.2286984 >>2286938 Whoops, forgot my name.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 08:52:17 2009 No.2287002

>>2286956
I still think that the forced drama might be part of the plot, that Kinzo has a special reason for picking Shannon and Kanon out of that orphanage of their's. Maybe it's a way of increasing the 'magic' in the family bloodline, and would tie in to how Jessica and George are a lot more powerful in EP4.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 08:53:17 2009 No.2287008 >>2286956 >>2286961 Pathetic faggots. It's better to imagine raping Shannon as George is tied up and crying right next to her.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 09:51:17 2009 No.2287248

I don't mind Shannon x George because it seems less forced, and there's at least the threat of Eva comming in to fucking nuke their little tryst.

Jessica probably does nothing for the fangirls, but kannon would be hot meat that crowd. If they get him a quality seiyuu, they're going to go crazy over him, and by himself will make any relationship he's in popular by default. I don't think there's going to be a Code Geass effect where they don't particularily like the characters but the relationship itself is just too hot to pass up.

I believe anons of both sexes will like Beatrice, and for more-or-less for the same reason: her over-the-top, hysterical, comical evilness. She actually says kneel before zod. Loved it. I'm scared they're going to butcher her in the anime.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 09:56:17 2009 No.2287263 File: 473 KB, 800x561, araara.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I'm scared they're going to butcher her in the anime. Don't be, she'll be EPIC based on voice alone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 09:58:17 2009 No.2287274 >>2287263 HNNNNNNGGGGGGHHHHHH

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 09:58:17 2009 No.2287275 >>2287263 Who's doing the voice?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 10:01:17 2009 No.2287284 >>2287275 Sayaka Ohara, who did the voice of Hot Bangable Witch in xxxHolic, and Hot Bangable Gondolier in Aria.

>>	Anonymous of Colombia !/MTU7LNU7s Sat Mar 21 10:05:17 2009 No.2287293 >>2287284 And Hot Bangable Hostess in Toradora.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 10:06:17 2009 No.2287299 90%

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 10:10:17 2009 No.2287316 File: 191 KB, 1016x1520, f73f35cc492194f81bf08e85c1049d08.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2287293 As well as Hot Bangable Class President

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 10:14:17 2009 No.2287325 >>2287316 Source if this is part of a doujin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 10:29:17 2009 No.2287369 Don't tell me that "forced drama" shit is making its way here from /a/.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 10:35:17 2009 No.2287384

I guess we'll have to wait and see in regards to her ability to do shrill, hysterical cackling. I hope to God they don't make her into a predominatly moe character. She's a female Alucard who's overdosed on endorphines. Seriously if she was human she'd have to go on medication for chemical imabalances in her brain.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 10:41:17 2009 No.2287405 >>2287384 Beato is moe, muu~

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 10:51:17 2009 No.2287437 >>2287384 her character is crazy, of course

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 11:44:17 2009 No.2287617 >>2287248 > Jessica probably does nothing for the fangirls Most of Jessica's fanarts are drawn by fangirls.

>>	Anonymous of Austria Sat Mar 21 12:14:17 2009 No.2287725 >>2287617 Most of Umineko fanart is drawn by fangirls.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 12:43:17 2009 No.2287836 >>2287725 Most of Battler being raped by his Rudolph/Ronove is drawn by fangirls.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 12:47:17 2009 No.2287849 >>2287725 It's what I mean. If "Jessica probably does nothing for the fangirls" is true, her fanarts must be exceptional.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 12:52:17 2009 No.2287864 >>2287849 She is a great self-insert character for them with that "My real self is not like this" attitude

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sat Mar 21 12:56:17 2009 No.2287882 >>2285833 Hideyoshi/Okonogi is my favorite pairing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 13:01:17 2009 No.2287895 >>2287864 Her 'Why don't I have a boyfriend while I have done pretty much nothing to pursue it and expected a confession somehow till I decided to hammer my younger servant' disposition must also appeal.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 13:07:17 2009 No.2287913

Fangirls never needed any special reason to make fanart and fanfiction. They didn't like Suzaku, but that didn't stop them from producing mountains of doujins and erotic fanart of Suzaku x Leleuch. In short, fangirls don't need help like a self-insert character to produce bizarre ponography -- all they need is two characters who are, or who have at some point been alive. They don't need it to be in the shoujo style either -- if their source material wasn't shoujo-friendly, well, they are perfectly happy with fixing that.

So even if they aren't nescisarily all into Jessica, they'll be happy to throw her into a relationship with Kannon, who they definately would like. If they don't find Battler very compelling, they would be all over the Battler x Beato relationship.

The true self-insert fangirl character is Beatrice. That's why us anons can't help but to respect her deparavity and fetishes -- we realize she is really just a female version of us, having broken through the 4th wall and interacting with a 2D world, playing to our heart's content. And fangirls, are, indeed, female versions of us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 13:45:17 2009 No.2288086 >>2287913 But they uh... do like Jessica. She's consistently pretty high on the character popularity polls.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 14:29:17 2009 No.2288264 Any 2ch image threads or japanese fan art sites?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 14:34:17 2009 No.2288294 >>2287263 President Aria always makes me laugh in that picture

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 15:27:17 2009 No.2288572 File: 364 KB, 727x800, 3547579.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bishounenservice

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:23:17 2009 No.2288878 You know what would make the Umineko anime a total trainwreck? Jun Fukuyama as Kanon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:25:17 2009 No.2288883 I like detective games, but a msterpiece this is not. It's a good horror-thriller read, but as a mystery it's shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:28:17 2009 No.2288891 >>2288878 Kanon's VA is Yuu Kobayashi. Get with it, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:28:17 2009 No.2288893 >>2288883 Do witches exist Y/N That's the mystery.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:30:39 2009 No.2288908 File: 61 KB, 550x750, 090306pict14.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Speaking of the anime, anime Krauss is looking much better than Ryukishi's

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:31:17 2009 No.2288913 >>2288908 Is it really hard to create something better than Ryukishi?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:34:17 2009 No.2288922 File: 83 KB, 550x750, 090306pict03.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2288913 I realized it was Rudolph I posted, not Krauss. Krauss is still dickugly. Bottom-middle Maria is lookin' kinda HINAMIZAWA SYNDROME, by the way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:36:17 2009 No.2288934 >>2288922 You should see manga Maria

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:57:17 2009 No.2289019 File: 128 KB, 367x374, 3545873.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I have a bad feeling about this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:58:17 2009 No.2289027 File: 283 KB, 936x1322, 3548625.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Manservice!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 17:00:17 2009 No.2289032 >>2288922 Kihihihihihihihi?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 17:00:17 2009 No.2289035 File: 31 KB, 646x505, Scrn03 00.45.29.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Witches don't exist confirmed

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:07:17 2009 No.2289327 Endless Witch = Mugenjyou Mahjou?

>>	Graus !!ICb+JmdEVKn Sat Mar 21 18:23:17 2009 No.2289397 File: 753 KB, 1691x1200, 09_32-33.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2288934 You called?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:24:17 2009 No.2289402 >>2289397 vol 2 scans where?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:32:17 2009 No.2289447 >>2289397 Holy shit her iris!

>>	Graus !!ICb+JmdEVKn Sat Mar 21 18:40:17 2009 No.2289483 File: 745 KB, 1691x1200, 09_34-35.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2289447 She just needs some good spanking

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 19:40:17 2009 No.2289751 I like the pudgy original Maria better, actually. It makes her look more normal and therefore more pathetic. Increases the pathos level.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 19:50:17 2009 No.2289776 >>2280367 oh look, a christian. how did that get in here?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:39:17 2009 No.2290870 File: 80 KB, 899x661, UminekoReac2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2284222

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:45:17 2009 No.2290898
File: 72 KB, 899x661, UminekoReac3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>2289751
I hated the redesigns done for Higurashi PS2 with passion. Yet I think that redesining Maria to look like a more classical loli is a good thing. The first thing I said when I saw her age was "What"

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:46:17 2009 No.2290901 File: 110 KB, 899x661, UminekoReac4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Done

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:57:17 2009 No.2290958 >>2290898 >>2290870 so win

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:58:17 2009 No.2290961 >>2290901 Would I be able to understand this image if I played Umineko?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:58:17 2009 No.2291224 Is the partial patch for episode 4 out yet

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:36:17 2009 No.2291404 >>2291224 Monday or Tuesday, so sayeth the translator.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 09:30:17 2009 No.2293225 >>2291404 so Friday is it then?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 09:36:17 2009 No.2293241 >>2293225 Maybe, but Witch-Hunt is probably the fastest translating group out there, along with Yandere and the guy doing all the DarkTranslations stuff.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun Mar 22 09:39:17 2009 No.2293250 Maybe if they brought Message on board they could finish it faster.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 13:25:17 2009 No.2293959 >>2291404 Actually WH is usually pretty good at keeping dates they set.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 14:32:17 2009 No.2294241

>>2280367
>multiple characters have witnessed magic, and done so from a dirst-person narrative position.
I'm not yet too far in episode 3, but what I get so far is basically you have to keep in mind that at the meta level it's a story told by Beatrice to Battler. If Battler didn't witness it with his own in-story eyes we only have the optional witness (who could be lying) or, if there is none, Beatrice's word for it (like any of the big murder fights so far), and if Battler did witness it directly there's a chance he misinterpreted, like being convinced Natsumi was shot by her own winchester because he doesn't know there are several of them, or like seeing all those occult things in the end of ep 2 after having, very probably, gotten drunk.

Ultimately so far it's a duel of narrators. There's incontrovertible facts, the red text and what Battler directly sees happen in-story, and then both Battler and Beatrice are trying to weave stories around that, with the goal of making the other accept your own story as the right one and emerge as the best narrator.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 14:38:17 2009 No.2294272 >>2285161 >Half of them aren't even closed rooms anyway, Battler's just made to think they are Well yeah, that's the whole idea behind most of the closed room murder tricks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 15:13:17 2009 No.2294416 Why do magics never appear on Battler's personal view? What are magics in this story? Why does meta-Beatrice need to "fight" to meta-Battler? What is the meta-world? We have to think of these since these are concerned with the structure of the story.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:03:17 2009 No.2295269 There is clearly supernatural forces at work. I don't know why the game still tries to pretend there could be any doubt.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun Mar 22 18:06:17 2009 No.2295290 >>2295269 The point is whether the culprit is supernatural or not. Higurashi had supernatural forces at work too, but the culprit was 100% natural.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:08:17 2009 No.2295303 >>2295269 I'm still trying to come up with an anti-fantasy reason for how the gold even exists in the first place and how Kinzo could build another house on the island and continually visit it, all without anyone else catching on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:09:17 2009 No.2295304 >>2295290 that's what ruined Higurashi for me and also what's probably gonna ruin Umineko

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:11:03 2009 No.2295320 File: 61 KB, 646x505, Screen00 (12).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:12:17 2009 No.2295323 >>2295303 some people have been posting about how the gold doesn't even exist in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:13:17 2009 No.2295329 >>2295304 How did it ruin Higurashi for you?

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun Mar 22 18:13:17 2009 No.2295331

>>2295269
It's not necessarily true that supernatural forces are at work. Parallel universes are theoretically possible, and would explain how circumstances could be different for each iteration.

As far as Battler dreaming up witches and such, it could be all a delusion, a break from reality based on his discovery of information relating to what you find out in episode 4, that he might have actually been aware of subconsciously. Or a physical causation, like a brain tumor in every universe.

Everything can still be explained without the supernatural, since everything magical is seen through Battler's mind-eye when the actual incidents took place out of the view of anyone but the victim(s) and killer(s).

"Battler is insane" is a condition which allows for everything else to fall into place, while there still being real murders done by members of the family and staff.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun Mar 22 18:14:17 2009 No.2295346 >>2295331 Sort of like how through the question arcs of Higurashi, what you see through the eyes of K1 is not necessarily accurate, because he IS insane at one point. Same with Shmion.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:19:17 2009 No.2295372

>>2295323
If it doesn't, then there needs to be some way to explain how Kinzo could not only afford to salvage the family name, but also how to build two homes and keep quiet about that.

Also, a kind of neglected point, but I'm curious: who is actually credited with painting the Beatrice painting? Is it Kinzo himself?

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:20:17 2009 No.2295376

>>2295331
>Parallel universes are theoretically possible

So what you're saying is that in a story where the same events occur in different ways, there's a possibility that there's a parallel universe, which by definition are the same events occurring in slightly different ways?

Are you SURE?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:21:00 2009 No.2295385 >>2295372 This was all explained in the first episode. He never used the gold itself.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:23:17 2009 No.2295392

They can't pretend Beatrice doesn't have the power and the will to commit the murders. Battler has directly experienced magic first-hand, and while it might be possible to claim: "Oh well, sure, Beato COULD kill them with magic, and even though she SAYS she does exactly that, it might be actually some human!" but then that's taking it to far into the realm of ridiculousness. Before EP3, it could have been claimed that Beato was making up a lot of stuff in regards to magic effects -- but now Battler has been slapped directly in the face with her magic...and not just when he's at her mercy in her magic nether-realm mansion or whatever it is. He sees other people interacting with Beato's power as well.

And what's especially madening is that Battler doesn't use arguments that might work, even in the face of what happens in EP3. Virtual reality or other form of manufactured sensory experience or memory alteration technique.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:23:17 2009 No.2295393

>>2295303
Thse aren't really big problems. The gold's got a fine in-game explanation, that it was given or lent to Kinzo by a rich person which he identifies as Beatrice. As for the hidden mansion, on a big private island with a forest Kinz's relatives are forbidden from entering, it's not really hard.

>>2295269
The only real weird thing is the loop structure, everything else can be narrators (Beatrice mainly) playing with you. Beatrice can show towers falling from the sky and goats and whatnot, but as mentioned before it's just her account of what happened, she's that good a storyteller. Note how chapter 2 onwards is framed by her telling stories to Battler. That means anything not narrated by Battler can actually be her telling a fancy story, which is why after she first chapter, which wasn't framed by her narration, you can start having narrators other than Battler and the first chapter's omniscient narrator, and all kinds of fancy supernatural stuff. The first chapter's a big clue in that sense, it establishes how Battler's the central point of view and anything he doesn't see is just holes to fill with hypotheses.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun Mar 22 18:23:17 2009 No.2295394 >>2295376 I've read through your question/statement a few times, and I'm not sure what you're trying to point out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:25:17 2009 No.2295404 >>2295392 >Battler has directly experienced magic first-hand Has he now? When does that happen? r is it only in the meta-bits?

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:28:17 2009 No.2295410

Game board Battler has never seen magic as of episode 3.

Meta-Battler has, but Shcrodingers Cat Box theory explains it; they're just Beatrice 'presenting her case'. Seeing is not believing, in this case, as everything aside from red letters and Game-Battler's point of view has to be taken with a grain of salt.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:28:17 2009 No.2295414

>>2295394
There are obviously parallel universes, because unless Battler and co. are getting murdered in the same universe multiple times and somehow forgetting it, all while time goes backwards or something, they're in different universes in each episode.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:31:17 2009 No.2295421 >>2295414 Except it can all litterally be a game of wits between Battler and Beato, in which case no one's actually getting murdered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:32:17 2009 No.2295423 >>2295421 what, even the murders are fake?

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:33:17 2009 No.2295427

>>2295393

First episode, a "witch" made up of golden butterflies takes shape infront of Natsuhi, and raises a staff. Wether or not she is killed in the same way Beatrice explains later on, if we accept that the narration in EP1 was impartial, than it MUST BE ACCEPTED that a supernatural being appeared before Natsuhi. If we accept the truth of a supernatural entity made up of golden butterflies, why not everything else? ANd if not everything else, on what basis can we pick and chose which golden butterfly magical phenomena to belive in? The fact istself that a magic phenomena occured forces us to realize this is a fantasy setting, and no matter how hard you try and argue against it, that's that.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:35:17 2009 No.2295438

>>2295421
In that case, what the hell are we even arguing about? Episodes 2 and 3 are literally cases presented by Beato which have no basis in reality. Of course magic would exist just as much as everything else in those worlds, because those worlds don't really exist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:36:17 2009 No.2295447 >>2295427 Natsuhi's 'duel with the witch' at the end of Ep1 reminds me of Rudolph's suggestion of a duel in Ep3. Maybe she died trying to protect someone she thought was Jessica?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:36:17 2009 No.2295448 >>2295427 Battler wasnt the one that saw it. Any scene thats not battler describing it might be false. See episode 4.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:39:17 2009 No.2295459

>>2295427
>First episode, a "witch" made up of golden butterflies takes shape infront of Natsuhi, and raises a staff. Wether or not she is killed in the same way Beatrice explains later on, if we accept that the narration in EP1 was impartial, than it MUST BE ACCEPTED that a supernatural being appeared before Natsuhi.
Not quite. All we can make out of this is that Natsuhi possibly saw a person surrounded by what she associated to golden butterflies, having the witch story on her mind. And then she was shot with one of the winchesters that was then left near her, and that one last bit is the only thing Battler knows for sure, in fact.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:39:17 2009 No.2295467 >>2295427 Butterflies are Beatrice's magic theory. The answer is most likely someone confronted Natsuhi with another gun, shot her, and switched the guns.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:41:17 2009 No.2295473 >>2295467 My bet is it was Kinzo. His death was largely glossed over, and the body was very unidentifiable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:42:17 2009 No.2295479 >>2295473 I'm not going to be a dick and spoil episode 4 for you, but... oh who am I kidding, yes I will. Kinzo is already dead before October 4th.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:43:17 2009 No.2295481 >>2295438 Well, if you accept that rather uncertain hypothesis the interesting bit then is: how does said duel of wits relate to the first episode, which isn't framed by it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:49:17 2009 No.2295497 >>2295479 There are no more than 18 people on the island, eh?

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:49:17 2009 No.2295498

Battler has been chopped to pieces and ressurrected multiple times, with magic. So what is gamer-Battler? Why doesn't he count? Because he's not actually in the game? How does that make him fake, or irrelevent to the discussion of magic? How is in-game Battler's viewpoint the "real" one? Umineko would have to reach to absurd, ludicrous depths to try to deny magic at this point. Gamer-Battler is the one trying to deny magic, while magic is slapping him in the face constantly. You guys are trying to hard to take the point of view you think from prior experience is the correct one.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:49:17 2009 No.2295500

>>2295481
It would probably mean the first episode actually happened.

And since we don't have any red text so far, pretty much anything, is possible. Even stuff that was later disproven thanks to red text in episode 2 and 3, because those are different "worlds" and if things from Shanon's reaction to George's proposal to the method used in murder, to who discovers the gold all are subject to change, then there's really not much that can be said for the house being subject to minor changes.

I don't subscribe to the house being different, not because it's impossible but because it would just be awful writing. But it IS still possible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:52:17 2009 No.2295509 >>2295498 Eva wasn't a witch either

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:52:17 2009 No.2295510 >>2295479 Wasn't he supposed to be the third/fourth twilight? With the stake in the head? So the second twilight doesn't need to necessarily involve killing then, does it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:54:17 2009 No.2295518 >>2295510 thats an awesome idea. It might just mean betrayal and FUCK ITS NOT BUMPING ANYMORE

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:58:17 2009 No.2295528

>>2295518
I didn't want to bring this up because it covers wording, but the actual twilight says they'll "Separate the ones that are close"

Is the Japanese more specific? Because the english could mean anything, from "separated from each other" to "separated from the remaining group of people"

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:00:17 2009 No.2295536

>>2295473
Doubtful. The six toes on Kinzo's feet make it almost certain the burned corpse was his.

My hypothesis is that there are multiple killers on the island with a pact to kill the others that was agreed to before anyone even arrived for the family conference. If one of this group of killers inadvertently died through either discovery or by accident, it would make sense for another one of the group to cover up the evidence of the pact.

I've strongly suspected Jessica as either a killer or the killer since episode two. She was never onscreen with Game-Beatrice in 2. She has the same hair color as Beatrice and could have easily cosplayed the witch in order to encourage Shannon to start a relationship with George. She has a secret second life she lives at school which is slightly different from her personality at home. Even Eva mentioned that of all the people to hold a grudge in the family, it would be Jessica, who was raised to be a perfect daughter by her overbearing parents but will never become head of the family because of her sex.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:02:17 2009 No.2295540 >>2295536 I'm not saying "it's the corpse of someone else with six toes" I'm saying it's not really a corpse.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:08:17 2009 No.2295574 >>2295498 So far gamer-battler seems to be a metaphor. Him and Beato are the litteral incarnations of the normal/supernatural sides of the story, battling for supremacy just like they do in the reader's mind. Don't mistake a narrative method for magic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:12:17 2009 No.2295585 >>2295574 Don't bring up narrative methods in what essentially is a murder mystery. When you believe something is true because it's implied, you make the writer much happier than he needs to be.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:12:17 2009 No.2295588 >>2295498 You can't take all this at face value. Even Beato points out at one point in episode 3 that humans' greatest failing is they suck at reading between the lines.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 19:20:17 2009 No.2295619

>>2295585
>Don't bring up narrative methods in what essentially is a murder mystery
Some of the cleverest murder mysteries are all about narrative methods. Maybe you should read some John Dickson Carr in general or Agatha Christie's murder of roger ackroyd.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 20:11:17 2009 No.2295824 >>2295585 You need to read more mystery novels.

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