/tmg/ - Type-Moon General

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is for the discussion of any and all works by by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON.

Download Links:
>A collection of all official Japanese versions of TYPE-MOON PC Games (work in progress)
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

>Kara no Kyoukai
novels: https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/
movies: https://nyaa.si/view/264295

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime - Blue Blue Glass Moon, Under The Crimson Air.
https://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lY
Tsukihime PLUS+DISC - Alliance of Illusionary Eyes
https://nyaa.si/view/453758
Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya - Twilight Grass Moon, Fairy Tale Princess.
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2502321
Tsukihime Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ

>Melty Blood
Melty Blood PC games (Original + ReACT + Act Cadenza + Actress Again Current Code)
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
MBAACC - Community Edition
https://mega.nz/#!6FUx2C6a!L2AxbiQzPHtgRI3YPHv4NZfi2EYS9RMeNHoSp6pAcFw
Melty Blood Manga (divided into two parts: the first part, spanning volumes 1-6, follows the original Melty Blood storyline. "2nd ACT" spans volumes 7-9. Melty Blood X is based on the Melty Blood Drama CD -Rojiura Pyramid Night-)
https://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwA
Melty Blood Manga - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate/series
Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2386805
Fate/hollow ataraxia
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
Fate/Zero novels
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-5XtCxJULf4YWZfSkZKWGc2S2M
Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files novels
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B13rmXgOUD7NdUV2NDR2bWo1clU
Fate/Strange Fake Light Novel
http://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read

>Mahoutsukai no Yoru (魔法使いの夜)
English Translation Patch (Chapter 1–7): https://mega.nz/#F!loBEBJDB!LMlgzDXX_ZnnRtnKFbXhQQ
French Translation Patch: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french

Novels/Manga:
>Angel Voice (anthology containing two separate angel themed stories: Notes by Nasu and Clockwick Canaan-Veil by Takeuchi.)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip
>Fate/Apocrypha
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/volume-1/pdf-and-epub-version-2/
>Fate/Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silver
http://www.mediafire.com/file/myvc2c0ydv2lqhq/Fate%25EF%25BC%258FPrototype_Fragments_of_Sky_Silver_Vol_1.pdf/file
>Fire Girl
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Today's Menu for the Emiya Family
vol. 1: https://mega.nz/#!qlczzYiI!bnZsuBiMRVCKmugwizlIGc-0Bm1rXUXk_locMF7ogIU
vol. 2: https://mega.nz/#!T0UD0SBQ!yL4vw1j91cXFyFfVsUbyeRuJb4vTCesOhQqo9mmFtlA
>Tsuki no Sango - Coral of the Moon
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx

Helpful TYPE-MOON-related links:
>Beast's Lair forum
forums.nrvnqsr.com
>Encyclopedia of Type Moon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ/edit?usp=sharing
>Fate/Complete Material II: Character Material
https://pastebin.com/Zjy1Sj6d
>Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works] Deluxe Booklet
part 1: https://anidb.net/forum/thread/56958
part 2: https://imgur.com/a/zzgtH
>Fate/stay night [Heaven's Feel] Animation Material (Deluxe booklet featuring staff interviews)
https://imgur.com/a/yhv4ZNd
>Fate Franchise Loseless Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g
>Fuyuki Rebuild
http://tatari.co.nf/fuyuki/index.htm
>mirrormoon
http://mirrormoon.org/
>TMdict, a light-weight, multi-lingual TYPE-MOON glossary
tmdict.com/
>Tsuki-kan, a small fansite containing bits and pieces of information on all things TYPE-MOON
tsukikan.com/
>Tsukihime doujins from 2008
https://mega.nz/#!fHgSVb5L!EPDHKU2KHLdjW1bM2b0-VV7WzrA9xPqrLnJTu0AkwyY
>Tsukihime Music Collection
https://nyaa.si/view/1090729
>Type-Moon Mega folders
https://mega.nz/#F!tBRTDDLT!6-uk9SmrvHKLFYU_3QTwgQ
https://mega.nz/#F!IEgnySDK!wvEo43UGmHFEKC1JBVykGw

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[Anonymous No.]

What is your favourite Type-Moon trope and why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22412152
Seigi no mikata because it's so autistic and selfish that it's fun

[Anonymous No.]

Post wormslut.

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>>22412277

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>>22412139
meh op

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[Anonymous No.]

>>22412396
Based

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>>22412139
I love Sion

[Anonymous No.]

Fug, I wanted to see how manga handled Saber's corruption but this shit is too short and too slow for a monthly manga. Have to wait for another 1-2 months at least.
Well, it's still a better adaptation than the movies I guess

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>>22412277

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>If Rin was sent to the Matou and Sakura kept in Tohsaka, Tokiomi wouldn't know how to teach Sakura because of her element so he'd send her to the Clocktower for her education. They didn't say what would happen to Rin other than she'd become TOHSAKA from capsule servant as a joke

In other words, Rin becomes a whore that sells her body and soul. No wonder she gets possessed by Ishtar. Thanks, Nasu!

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>>22413813
> " Have to wait for another 1-2 months at least."
> Haven't even read the thing yet , but "it's still better"

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>>22414410
Not him, but this is retarded.
> Haven't even read the thing yet , but "it's still better"
The movies also aren't done, and there's much content from both to compare. If he deems the manga adaptation better then the movies, then its completely valid.
Horrible try at a "gotcha" moment.

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>>22414410
Caster's death in the manga was waaaay better than in the movie. And of course, the VN.

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>>22414435
>>22414480
Also manga original contents are way better than the movie ones.
So far it's a pretty solid adaptation compared to Sakura: The Movies, but I hope spring song will finally focus on other characters (Kirei's flashback and Ilya mostly).
My only concern with the manga is that it is too slow paced and sometimes too short, many chapters have only about 10 pages which is inexcusable for a monthly manga

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>>22413813
it's unfair how good the artist for the HF manga is

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>>22413813
I'll never forgive Aniplex for making a half-assed HF anime.
The manga is a better adaptation. It's enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.]

When Zouken was looking to become immortal was becoming a Dead Apostle an option?
If it was, please tell us why he didn't become a Dead Apostle. <Pon De>
Nasu: The Church arbitrarily hunts vampires. He didn't want to take that risk. If his aim (goal) was immortality then he might have become a vampire. After that well... it'd depend on how good his vampire affinity is.
A certain Yumizuka's "You thought I was a C but I'm actually SSR!" idiosyncrasy is something only about 27 people in the world have!
Takeuchi: Eh? Isn't there actually a few more than that?
Nasu: Yeah it's an underestimate by about 3 people.

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>>22415976
> half-assed
oh no, the Illyafags are at it again

[Anonymous No.]

>finally got the time to clear my backlog and read KT
>tfw Ciel
how many curry jokes do I have to go through before I'm done? Her soiling the Low kick scene was the final straw for me.

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>>22416956
as a Cielfag, I fucking hate that how much Nasu liked the “curry xDDD” meme

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>>22415976
It's not half-assed in any way you stupid faggot. They gave it 3 2 hour movies, which is unprecedented in VN adaptations. Just cause they don't deliver in every way doesn't make them not great.

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https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm35662481

Can someone give a quick translation of this video by Nasu?

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>>22417013
That joke is still going on by now. There's also an illustration of the Indian servants, the Nekos and Ciel with curry for Carnival Phantasm too.

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>>22417431
That is just the Q&A section from HF2 BD

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>>22417470
Where can I find it translated though?

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>>22417474
some on BL and some on /a/ (though the one on /a/ were translated from chinese -> english since that anon couldn't find the photos, just the translation on baidu)

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>>22416956
>>22417013
Could be worse. At least Ciel still exists as a character. Meanwhile I'm not sure Nasu even remembers Kohaku's original character.

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>>22416869
>KnK 8 movies, >10 hours
>Zero 2 cours, 12 hours
>UBW 2 cours, 12 hours
but
>HF 3 movies, 6 hours
Why so suddenly? You're an imbecile so let me tell you why. Aniplex didn't want a proper adaptation, Aniplex wanted a Hollywood action flick. Because it's easier. It is a half-assed work.

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>>22416869
>Illyafags are at it again
Illya serves a key fucking role in the route imbecile. It's like if they cut out the Archer parts in UBW and somehow you don't have a problem with it. Just because she isn't the main heroine doesn't mean her parts are somehow so unimportant they should be cut out.

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>>22418478
>VN route
>Deep characters, well-written plot, breaking down the ideals of the main character
>Movie adaptation
>"OMG LOOK AT THAT ANIMATION, HOLY SHIT THE CHOREOGRAPHY ON THAT FIGHT SCENE IS PERFECT"

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top 3 best Fate anime adaption?

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>>22419058
HF 2
Fate/Zero
ufoUBW

(not counting Carnival Phantasm)

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>>22419058
Fate/Zero 1st Season
Fate/Zero 2nd Season
Fate/kaleid 1st Season

Because unlike the ufotable FSN adaptations or everything else, these actually improved the source material and didn't make it worse. UBW anime sucked, stop gushing about the fight scenes because they aren't anything special, and Shirou is dumber then he was in the Fate route. HF 1 and 2 are for fighting and animation enthusiasts and that's about all it serves. FGO adaptations obviously suck. Fate/kaleid after the first season is objectively worse than the manga in terms of pacing and art. Deen/stay night sucks for being a shitty adaptation from a writing perspective. Case Files is barely an adaptation and full of lore retcon.

These are all worse anime adaptations from their source material. Anime-only Fate sucks, accept it.

Today's Menu for the Emiya Family is good, but idk if you want to consider that a Fate anime per se. Carnival Phantasm is obviously a masterpiece.

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>>22419548
Why the sudden increase of dykeness in kaleid 2nd season?

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>>22418623
>Visual "novel"
>Is well written
>Anime
>Has good animation
What's the problem exactly?

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>>22419058
HF1, HF 2, and Today's Menu for the Emiya Family.

L o v e all the Sakura content, and TMftEF hits all of my favorite comfy, SOL vibes with the OG Fate cast. It's great.

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>>22419548
FZero
Carnival Phantasm
Food/Stay Night

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>>22419821
Meant for >>22419058

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>>22419670
I'm not homophobic. Fuck this shit. If you have a problem with it then just don't watch it.
>>22419749
So anime just doesn't have writing then? Are you stupid? Seriously? Jesus Christ.

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>>22419548
> UBW anime sucked, stop gushing about the fight scenes
> HF 1 and 2 are for fighting and animation enthusiasts and that's about all it serves.
fuck off Fai

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>>22419986
>So anime just doesn't have writing then? Are you stupid? Seriously? Jesus Christ.
What I mean is that both of them are good on what they're supposed to be good, at the very least. Are you excepting an anime writing to be somewhat near the quality of a novel writing? Are you stupid? Seriously? Jesus Christ.

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>>22420018
So Fai is literally the only person in the world who has those opinions. And who the fuck is Fai and why should anyone care.
>>22420032
>Are you excepting an anime writing to be somewhat near the quality of a novel writing?
...Yes? Are you stupid? Is this your first time watching an anime adaptation? Seriously? Jesus Christ.

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>>22420082
>Is this your first time watching an anime adaptation
No this is not, and this explain why I don't get my expectation too high, unlike a certain anon.

[Anonymous No.]

A work in written media is better than an adaptation in animation media.
An adaptation in visual media is one of the possible interpretations of the written media however, it is the written media which holds infinite interpretations, not the adaptation, which limits itself to only one.
The VN has limitless potential, only the reader can limit it.
The movie is limited potential, only the producers can expand it.
The fact that you can't enjoy the limitless value of literature doesn't imply its lack of value but rather your lack of good will or intelligence.
The movie is a good and singular audiovisual interpretation and thats it.
My personal multiinterpretations (from songs I played to drawings) are much better imo compared to the movies but it will never be as good as the original work, the root of all infinite interpretations.
You group of VN deniers are all a bunch of faggots.

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>>22420688
Literally noone "denies" the VN.
Holy fucking shit, this is the most autistic /tmg/ thread in months.

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>>22412750
How do you feel about vampire Sion?

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>>22420823
I think ESL-kun was just ranting. I mean, he didn't quote anyone.

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>>22419548
>Case Files is barely an adaptation and full of lore retcon.
>lore retcon
example?

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>>22419548
>Case Files is barely an adaptation and full of lore retcon.
Can you elaborate on this one? The rest of what you're saying is reasonable, but I'm not sure why Case Files doesn't count or what constitutes "lore retcon."

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Sometimes I realize how absurd it is that F\SN doesn't have an official translation. Hell, even a dead series like Muv-Luv could get an english release 13 years after its release, while Type-Moon apparently are satisfied with being just the gacha guys.

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>>22423611
it baffles me too, considering how much money it would make.
but I'm fine with it being fan-translated only; it acts as a gatekeeper to ward away the undesirables.

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>>22423616
the fan-translation is shit

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>>22423619
A perfect fit for Nasubabble.

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>>22421494
I don't acknowledge her.

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>>22423611
You say that like the offical ML tl wasn't trash

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>>22423611
>>22423616
>>22424062
Nasu hates the worldwide audience. Extella only got released because Xseed is bringing a game their company made. He literally told Mangagamer and Sekai Project to fuck off when they wanted to localize FSN Realta Nua

>places price point for the license way too high to be profitable for anyone
>previously been seriously burnt by handing off his baby to a studio without extreme oversight
>really fucking paranoid about all his new projects to the point where he slide in and completely rewrote Fate/Extra because "fuck you this is shit"

He can't do anything about the video games and anime because Aniplex has control over the English dub and distribution rights to those

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>>22424062
It isn't. The old fan translation was absolutely horrible, the official one is good. The team working on the official translation wanted to base it off the fan TL, but it was so bad and unworkable that they just started from scratch.

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>After the release of the original game, how was the response to HF?
>After I had finished writing the scenario, I had a feeling of completion and thought "I've cleared a difficult task!", but after having received far more reactions and response to it than I had imagined or expected, I felt that I was able to learn a lot from it.

>To be precise, which kinds of reactions do you remember the most, Nasu-san?
>I felt that users want feel-good stories more than anything else. If you play Fate and UBW, you get to taste feel-good storytelling for roughly 40 hours. So I felt that there was no need for HF to be a feel-good story after all that, but then I learned that apparently not all users feel the same way. I reflected on this greatly, and came to the conclusion that for some works, it's okay to aim for being feel-good all the way through. I believe that if it weren't for my reflection back then, Type Moon wouldn't be the way it is today.

What did Nasu mean by this?

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>>22424185
The new one is too modernized and meme-filled, old one was somehow better.

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>>22424198
You're actually fucking retarded. Just for some context, the guy who did the Muv-luv TL is literally known for rewriting entire lines and basically making fanfiction. He's also known for doing the Rewrite translation, which is utter garbage. The official TL is not meme-filled or fucking modernized at all. Did you even read it?

I would at least accept and respect if you said that translations aren't going to give you the same experience as the OG, but this argument is just fucking stupid.

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>>22424254
>dude
>hawt

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>>22424195
Honestly no idea. Fate route being "feel-good" is a fucking lie since the true ending makes the heroine disappear. UBW isn't exactly feel good either but its not sad either. Heaven's Feel is like, defined feel-good. The true ending is super happy and utopia-like, even if the rest of the route doesn't feel that way.

I'm pretty sure this is his justification for making FGO be devoid of any meaningful death and being entirely feel-good.

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>>22424300
>Heaven's Feel is like, defined feel-good. The true ending is super happy and utopia-like, even if the rest of the route doesn't feel that way.

Nasu on HF True:

>It (Normal End) was the only conclusion considered at the time. However, after writing about 2/3 of it, I found that the story itself did not allow such a conclusion. After that, I wrote the original conclusion, and then followed the story and write the happy end. Since this was Shirou's tale of happiness after losing so much, even if Saber and Illya were lost, at least he should let Sakura achieve happiness. And this was the conclusion. Even though Sakura indirectly became a mass murderer, there was no reason to deny her of happiness. I came up with this idea that if one were alive, it was not bad to redeem him/herself while looking forward to happiness. Even though this was hypocrisy, I felt that the story itself strongly demanded this possibility. To be honest, it was the first time that I lost to the story I wrote.

>Nasu: Yes, its plot was created with porn in mind.

>Takeuchi: The image of those worms became too strongly attached to Sakura, and I think we did a pretty mean thing to her. ...We're making "Fate/hollow ataraxia" now, but even in that, there's been talk of how it'll be hard to dispel Sakura's negative image...

>Nasu: Aww, I don't think there's any need to dispel it, though. Isn't it alright for worms to just be part of Sakura?

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But that just doesn't make sense, I mean, Nasu made stories with unhappy and melancholic developments but then he found out that there were >some< people who were okay with feel-good all the time and then he concluded it was better to stick to them?
I don't mind Nasu changing his work line to something I hate, but, da fuck that logic.

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>>22424195
Although I dislike it very much, it is the truth, Most people don't have stomach to just enjoy what Nasu wrote, I mean, gory ideas, suspense and raw sexuality.
Normies like to read stories like Date a Live or any other moeshit with lots of love, comicality and "feel-good"ness.
They don't wanna suffer, they don't want to feel bad.
They just wanna feel good. And FGO is a good symbol of that.
Pop Japanese culture is running towards fake paradises in order to relieve themselves of pain.
Japan is running away from reality for a long time. To Nasu to do this and think like this is an obvious thing to happen.

[Anonymous No.]

Why everytime I read an excerpt from an interview with Nasu, his words further disappoint me?
Maybe it is a sign that I should definetly move on.

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>>22418478
>>22418623
HF had a lot of potential but drove it into the ground by prioritizing flashiness over substance when adapting anything.

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>>22424311
Nasu is right on the money about it being hypocritical. UBW should be the only ending where Shirou and the heroine stay happy after all losses, because Shirou finally finds his middle ground and owns up to the mistakes his ideals have, but still pursues it. It's the only realistic ending because it follows along the trail of thought of "Even though this ideal is impossible and unrealistic, we should still pursue it even if we may never achieve it since the results out of pursuing it will be good".

In the Fate route, Saber should end happy, for finally finding a conclusion and a middle ground in her ideals, and bittersweet for Shirou, since he technically didn't change idealistically from start to finish.

HF should end badly for Shirou, for knowingly giving up on his ideals and going to complete opposite direction, allowing innocent deaths for selfish happiness with Sakura. Sakura, though, should definitely have an ending like the normal end, aka bittersweet. A lot of the stuff that happens to her isn't her fault, but her way of pursuing happiness with Shirou was selfish and caused tons of innocent deaths (not thinking about those people's lives at all), ultimately putting herself at a standstill morally.

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>>22425224
> HF should end badly for Shirou, for knowingly giving up on his ideals and going to complete opposite direction, allowing innocent deaths for selfish happiness with Sakura.
t. Kiritsugu

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>>22425910
Not really. Kiritsugu's ideals also caused innocent death for salvation which could be seen as selfish, and so his death is rightly justified within the setting thematically. Like I said, in this case, there is a hypocrisy in Nasu's views.

To make this easier think like this:

Kiritsugu (extreme ideals in one direction, opting for sacrificing the few for the many), thematically should lead to his death.

Fate (Ideals stay exactly the same, opting to save everyone and no sacrifice), thematically a kind of neutral route.

UBW (Ideals change, no longer recognizes it as possible but worth pursuing regardless), thematically a good end.

HF (Gives up his ideals entirely, where now the sacrifices of the many benefit the few), thematically should lead to a horrible ending, or his death (but doesn't because Nasu is a hack).

[Anonymous No.]

>>22426400
Wow what a rinfag you are. Did you enjoy Saber Wars II?

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>>22426592
Saber is my favorite. Her development is what I like the most. And the Fate route is, uncoincidentally, also my favorite. I know its a surprise to you that there's somebody in the world who can try their best to judge something without bias.

>Did you enjoy Saber Wars II?
GOfag alert. I don't even know what the fuck happened in that event and I don't give less of a shit.

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>>22426615
I am surprised because of the shit argument, rinfag just seemed to be one of the possibilities.
I am a Tsukihimefag though, I hate Fate in general. Knowing what happens on GO just means that I am also not biased when judging GOfags.

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>>22426683
Great counter-argument.
>I am a Tsukihimefag though, I hate Fate in general.
Good job telling me you don't ever plan on responding in an actually meaningful way.
>Knowing what happens on GO just means that I am also not biased when judging GOfags.
It means you're in denial. I don't know about you, but I don't force myself to learn information I ultimately don't need and doesn't serve any real purpose. If your life's purpose is to le epic shit on GOfags 24/7, then more power to you.

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>>22426700
The tsukihimefag an etc. was just to prove you're wrong in calling me a GOfag. I wasn't planning on refuting points cause you're not worth my time.
Making you mad by baiting is fun though.

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>>22426737
Your definition of mad is seriously arbitrary.

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>>22426400
> thematically should lead to a horrible ending, or his death
Not really.
Fate and UBW show that Shirou cannot live without his ideal, as it's his "core", the one thing that makes him feel alive. He doesn't give a single fuck about what disaster may befall on him, because they all pale in comparison to him living as an empty husk.
HF shows us however that his "core" can be replaced or rather molded for the sake of a loved one.
It's consistent if you view F/SN as a character study of an insane kid first, and a tale about heroism second.

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>>22427036
>HF shows us however that his "core" can be replaced or rather molded for the sake of a loved one.
Then he's just as insane. Maybe this is actually my own bias, but I don't think there's much of a difference between living because of his ideals and living because of his loved one. If anything, he turns out more like Kiritsugu then. He's willing to sacrifice innocent lives in favor of his ideals, or his "core" as you say. It's simply a replacement that befalls the exact same results as his predecessor, and yet his ending is somehow a utopia and Kiritsugu failed. To me at least, it seems inconsistent from both themes.

>It's consistent if you view F/SN as a character study of an insane kid first, and a tale about heroism second.
And, regardless, if I did think you were right about this, the Hero of Justice is a huge theme that carries throughout the main trilogy, not only just in Kiritsugu or Shirou, but in Saber as well. Considering it as a secondary theme is fine (as interpretation of art is in the eye of the beholder), but as its still a focal point, spans across both Zero and Stay night, plus is present in multiple characters, it should stay consistent.

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>>22427177
> then he is just as insane
There is no definite “fixing” to Shirou.
He is fundamentally still a broken human being in HF and UBW as well, the difference is that he’s aware of how fucked up he is.

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>>22427310
>He is fundamentally still a broken human being in HF and UBW as well, the difference is that he’s aware of how fucked up he is.
That's just the thing though, UBW gives him a good end when he finds that his ideal is mistaken but still pursues it. He might still be broken but he isn't trying to sacrifice innocent lives for whatever he wants to achieve. Although in HF, he's literally doing just that. He's still just as broken, he's AWARE he's broken, and yet continues to allow innocent people to die for Sakura. But his ending is, debatably, even better than the UBW one, for him and his loved ones. How the hell does that make sense? Why is the ending where MORE people die the better one? Is it just because in HF he does it for his loved ones? If that's true, then the interpretation makes Nasu instead seem like the insane person here. "As long as it's for your loved ones, nothing else matters." It's just as crazy. I mean, it's fine for a regular romance where people aren't fucking dying, then it's just the classic "I would do literally anything for you". But completely innocent people die here. HF should have been "I would die for you." and end in that exact fashion, just like the Normal End.

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>>22427470
I understand what you're worrying about here, but I need to remind you that it is not insane to value your loved ones first in spite of people you don't know.
This is a discussion that was made in Fate Zero, which is the famous ethical dillema all over again, just remember the trolley dillema.
The point here is that nobody has the authority to decide who will die and who will live. One can only do his best to save as much as you can and that is what happened with Kiritsugu when after all that tragedy he was happy to have saved at least one.
HF is a distorted and freak route and it is good because of it. It is meant to be insane but the fact that Shirou chose to save a girl that had one of the worst type of life imaginable is not as insane.
And even then there is an ending, that is not called bad just a dead end, where he kills Sakura. Just call it your true ending if you want. I mean Nasu did not say what is the truest true timeline in FSN.

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>>22427509
Ok there's a lot to unpack here.
>not insane to value your loved ones first in spite of people you don't know.
That's literally not what I'm saying or was insinuating. It's actually perfect for Heaven's Feel to be that way, but my issue with it is the ENDING. The route itself is fine. It would have been more fitting for instead of Shirou being suicidal to save others, he would instead be suicidal to Sakura. Which is the Normal End. Which is consistent.
>trolley dillema
A lot of people don't recognize what the trolley problem truly is, or that Utilitarianism isn't just the trolley problem. John Stuart Mill expanded Utilitarianism much further than just the trolley problem. Just recommending you read up on that.
>nobody has the authority to decide who will die and who will live.
THEY DO. In fact, Kiritsugu decides the fate of many people just because he thinks its the best course of action. Shirou knowingly lets his girlfriend kill innocent lives even though he could easily put a stop to it or slow it down. Though let me make this extra clear, SHIROU LETTING THEM DIE FOR THE ROUTE IS PERFECT. It would not be interesting from a writing perspective or realistic if he actually acted sanely.
>girl that had one of the worst type of life imaginable is not as insane.
???????????????? Nobody is questioning this.
>And even then there is an ending, that is not called bad just a dead end, where he kills Sakura.
Nobody brought up Mind of Steel because its irrelevant, and ONCE AGAIN FFS, like the millions of times I've said it, the NORMAL END is the one that makes sense, and the TRUE END doesn't. Please read the entire comment before you fucking respond jesus christ.
>Just call it your true ending if you want. I mean Nasu did not say what is the truest true timeline in FSN.
>Literally called "True End"
yea ok

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>>22427623
>but my issue with it is the ENDING. The route itself is fine
The ending is a part of the route though, and it is one logical possibility, might be not "fitting" (whatever that means) but it is there as something that can be a choice. If your problem is that it is not to your liking, well, just stick to the normal then.
>A lot of people don't recognize what the
I did not reference this because I agree with Stuart Mill, I just wanted to remind you that ethical dillemas are difficult hence why they are so interesting.
>THEY DO.
I disagree with you that they do, but that would lead to an off topic and frankly that is not really important here.
>Nobody is questioning this.
You're questioning why Shirou should save a (loved)girl(that had a tragic life) in spite of innocent people.
>and ONCE AGAIN FFS
People who disagree that "the True Ending doesn't fit" will keep criticizing your opinion so calm your tits. We will keep offering you tons of alternate endings that are "perfect" because that ending is good for a lot of people. Don't expect me or people who share my taste to just agree to not have it.
You started this shitshow so bear the pain now.
>yea ok
Fate/complete material III: World material - FAQ with Nasu: Miscellaneous, p.136
"Q: Are the three routes of "Fate/stay night" parallel worlds existing at the same time? I was curious since I was how it would look to Zelretch.

A: They're parallel... sort of. But if Zelretch was observing, it'd become true, and my feelings on the matter is that I'd rather two routes disappear if one was true.
If all of these became possible at the same time, the other routes would become meaningless."
Assuming the authority of what is true or not comes from Nasu and that he always create a way to make all endings valid by the usage of parallel universes...
I mean, I'm not saying I agree with this or like this, it is just what it seems to be. So yeah, go ahead and take (or create) whatever timeline where the story follow your wishes.

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>>22427738
>The ending is a part of the route though, and it is one logical possibility,
>It (Normal End) was the only conclusion considered at the time. However, after writing about 2/3 of it, I found that the story itself did not allow such a conclusion.
The ending was written before the route was done. And that ending was changed. So no, I wouldn't consider a part of the route. Since it was literally changed without rewriting anything else.
>You're questioning why Shirou should save a (loved)girl(that had a tragic life) in spite of innocent people.
I'm not. I think the details of the Normal End are completely slipping from your mind. Sakura LIVES, Shirou DIES. I'm not questioning whether she should be saved or not, because I literally just said its perfect for the route. Please read what I fucking type.
>People who disagree that "the True Ending doesn't fit" will keep criticizing your opinion so calm your tits.
...Are you this bad at reading? I said that because you didn't read what I had typed. You quoted Mind of Steel when I have said multiple times that the one I'm talking about is the Normal End and the True End. I'm not mad at your opinion, I'm mad at your lack of reading ability, we also call this lazyness in the business.
>Fate/complete material III: World material - FAQ with Nasu: Miscellaneous, p.136
>Are the three routes of "Fate/stay night" parallel worlds existing at the same time?
>the other routes would become meaningless.
> I'd rather two routes disappear if one was true.
I'm sorry. I didn't know Heaven's Feel was multiple routes. You know, I could have sworn he was talking about Fate, UBW, and Heaven's Feel, and since this discussion is talking about just Heaven's Feel, this wall of text that everyone knows is completely irrelevant... Nah. I must be wrong.

Please pay attention to the convo. You are hitting strawmans with these replies.

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>>22427822
You're starting to be very dishonest with what I am saying. The normal ending is irrelevant because the topic at hand was the said ending you dislike, where Shirou lives and Sakura is saved. What I am saying is that there is nothing wrong with this ending and that the fact that you don't want to said ending to exist is absurd. It is like saying I don't want the normal ending to exist because, I don't know, it gives me nausea.
The point of the excerpt from Nasu's quote is to show you how this "endings" works. You said you know nothing about GO erlier, so I will assume you also have 0 information about what was shown in Ex games. Oh, you think this is irrelevant because those are shit? Well I also happen to think they are shit but hey, those games are the ones which explains how this fucking universe works and if study them just a little and read that fucking excerpt I gave you you would understand how little of value those true endings are.
And stop talking like an asshole, nobody is attacking you here.

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>>22427985
In your second sentence, you already put up a strawman. You're absolutely hilarious. Half of what you say sounds incomprehensible, it sounds like you're genuinely crazy. Please learn basic text comprehension before you start talking in English-based forums.

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>>22428174
I am not trying to be your offensor here, but if you really wish to treat me like I am your enemy, then this is your problem, not mine. It is people like you who make fgofags create bad examples of shenanigans and badmouth us.
Sincerely, fuck you and die. I am not wasting my time being nice with direspectful assholes like you.

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https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/1195265430463696897
New HF3 CM is going to be revealed around 23:33 JST tomorrow. You can watch it on Tokyo MX, BS11,...

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>>22417498
But kohaku had the best scenes

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>>22426400
But he was always aware that his ideal was never possible even in the fate route. Since he aknowledge that its impossible to be achieve there is no need at all to denies that ideal like archer try to do in ubw.

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>>22429992
Oh shit this is definitely new right?

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>>22430007
those are from tieba and since the new CM is going to be released tomorrow, chinks probably leaked it

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>>22429992
>that Sakura
oh yes...

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One of main themes of HF is what defines good and evil. Shirou states that he doesn’t give a damn about justice and evil after abandoning his ideals when he talks to Kirei. He also calls out Shirou’s hypocrisy by stating that he truly can’t be good if he’s protecting a murderer. His ideal was never truly tested in such a human way before that it confuses Shirou. How can he even think about being a hero when the person he considers family was abused and never saved by anyone? Shirou loses more than he gains and that’s fine. Nearly every character loses in someway and are beyond redemption. Still, Shirou still wants to save those he loves. Even if he’s betrayed everything, he wants to save those he loves. Even if Shirou and Sakura are bad people, they can still try and take responsibility for what they’ve done and help those that need help.

[Anonymous No.]

mcjon got lazy trying to get things to sound good so he makes stuff up

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What is the true permanent impact of FGO on Nasuverse?

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>>22434563
Discordfags' translation is more accurate but overall I don't see much difference between the actual meanings.

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>>22431432
Shirou was “wrong” in the sense that he wasn’t introspective or true to themselves. They’re both just doing whatever makes them happiest without any guiding principles or axioms, but Shirou acts as if he’s following some sort of greater good when he isn’t. Shirou chooses to try and save Sakura earlier in the route while knowing that doing so will almost certainly result in the deaths of dozens if not hundreds more civilians. Both of their paths are fine but Shirou is unable to be true to himself.

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>>22426737
The key to a good Nasu story, is him giving a shit + Nasu being forced to rewrite it.

Original version of Tsukihime didn't have Kohaku's route, the best route. Early on play testers said that the game sucked because it lacked a decent climax with Kohaku and a good ending with her story-line. So much shit would have been missed if he didn't include that route. Nasu was forced to rewrite it and create the entire route within two weeks while working pretty much every hour of those two weeks as they burned themselves out for it.Like shit, without Kohaku route we would have missed the best fight scene in the game, best SHIKI scene in the game, and we would have missed just how fragile and hopeful Kohaku's mask really was, and yandere Akiha. That was the route that actually felt like a resolution for the Tohno family, as they moved past the twisted past that held them back.

CCC; Nasu pushed the deadline back a few months because he suddenly wanted to rewrite most of the game right before it came out. You read Extra materials and so many ideas in the game that made it work turns out were only included in the final month or two right before it came out on a whim. The entire Gilgamesh route as well was only written in the last month or two.

FGO; first few singularities were shit, game didn't get good until America, Camelot, and Babylon. An interview tells how Nasu didn't expect FGO to blow up this much and after the reception from Septem he realized the writing for the game kinda sucked. So he was forced to rewrite America, Camelot, and Babylon big time right before they came out. However this caused them to be the best singularities in the story.

There's a few other examples, but you get the idea. Nasu only writes his best shit when someone near him tells him "Yeah this shit is lacking" and forced him to rewrite all of it right before the deadline.

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>>22434651
Wtf is this behaviour lol. I'm not making fun of you but I find it funny how Nasu makes and improvises the stories

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>>22415092
>I hope spring song will finally focus on other characters (Kirei's flashback and Ilya mostly).

Apparently, the route that would explore Angra Mainyu more was Ilya's (a lot from it was flushed into Ataraxia), so it's more likely her route would get that title if anything.

If going by Nasu interviews.

Sakura's route was less dark... but it became darker with Ilya's route merging? The idea behind HF was a "long harsh winter that finally ends with the restoration and spring."

One guess who is associated with winter and who is associated with spring. It was probably the deal of Kohaku route vs Akiha/Hisui routes again.

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>>22431432
Kotomine acts as though he's the only dude in the world who has a psychosis and cries about it and Kiritsugu's sob story is so exaggeratedly grim that it comes off as more comedic than somber. It's like what kids think "dark and grim" is all about when it's just laughable as a whole. Fate/Zero as a whole deals with caricatures of human beings who are more immature than your average middle school retard masturbating in a classroom with a safety helmet on.

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>>22434651
>However this caused them to be the best singularities in the story.
You lost me here pal.

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>>22434651
>>22434739
Why there are so many baiters lately.

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>>22434669
Probably the same guy who has been wanting to make FSN endings his way because he didn't like the true one.

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>>22434884
>Probably the same guy who has been wanting to make FSN endings his way because he didn't like the true one.

Explain?

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>>22434565
/tmg/ is contrarian

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HF3 new TVCM
https://bilibili.com/video/av75933113

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>>22435355
Barely anything new from the screencaps they showed yesterday, was hoping it'd be longer.

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>>22435363
I mean it's a CM, not a PV though...

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>>22434563
>says it's completely changed but can't actually translate it
>another faggot comes up with almost the same translation
Don't post those trannies here.

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>>22435355
>>22435363
do ya'll prefer UFO's FZ fights or FSN UBW/HF's inhumanly fast fights with aftereffects of strikes?

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>>22435355
Kirei wolverine, that is indeed nostalgic.

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>>22435441
Both are shit.

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>>22435482
What makes you say that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3fgfhVk9v4

The scene that completely redeemed Shirou for many, myself included.

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>>22435503
Oh, I don't mean to say it is objectvely shit (as in a bad work). Ufotable always make a good job.
But you asked preference, which is personal and I personally prefer written scenes rather than animated ones, hence why both would be shit.
It is nothing serious.

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Reminder that DEEN UBW is 10 years old next year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xns9_uGmh0

Why did they have to cram the plot into 90 minutes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22435541
Because of the format and media limitations I guess? Also lack of resources.

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>>22435401
The translation is completely different... way to show you don't know French, Japanese, or English.

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>>22435441
FZ, they are actually well done and not just flashy effects BS.
>>22435503
Last Stardust scene is barely a fucking fight scene. Literally only one second of animation that resembles something even close to one.

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>>22434651
> Original version of Tsukihime didn't have Kohaku's route, the best route
Kohaku's route is one of the weakest ones wtf
It's redeeming factor is the "coffee-break" scene between the two Shikis.

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>>22436084
There's a lot of people that like Kohaku for a lot of reasons which leads to them saying her route is the best.
It is just a biased argument, don't waste your time too much into it.

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>>22435766
Hi, SaltyBucket.

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>>22436344
Definitely him, hello. And Salty is a programmer/image editor according to Beast's Lair forum. He's not a translator.

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>>22436371
Now explain in great details why this thread needs his bullshit opinion.

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>>22434881
>Anyone who dislikes FZ is a baiter.

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>>22436561
>bullshit opinion
Yeah, I agree, Mcjon is just better in translation.

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So, most jrpgs that Nasu played and inspired him use 2d sprites right?
Why haven't he done something using them? Ya know, like most succesful indie games that he even played and loved as well.
Nothing against 3D, just asking.

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>>22437316
Nasu also has decently good taste in video games yet all the games that TM have been involved with outside of Melty have had awful gameplay.

I doubt Nasu has much input on the actual game design of these things, likely because he knows nothing about it

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>>22435782
outed the secondary, archer vs shirou wasn't meant to be a legit fight

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>>22437122
Better than who, exactly?
What has it to do with what I said?

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>>22437379
In theory he will have now with studioBB right? I mean, if Nasu wishes, he will have an army of developers to suck his dick and make any game now.
If he fails again I am calling him cursed.

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>>22437602
Well, maybe, but it isn't as if developers and directors are there to serve him. Remember, they have their own egos too.

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>>22437578
His opinion was that Mcjon's translation was bad you fucking neanderthal. So you calling it bullshit is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

How many of you have read every Type Moon VN and LN?

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>>22438320
>every LN
I've read all of Kara no Kyoukai and Case Files. Not sure if any other Type-Moon LN is worth my time other than Strange Fake or maybe Fate/Zero.

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>>22438320
I've read every VN, but not LN. I dropped FZ, am currently reading Strange Fake, Prototype is next, and I don't want to read KnK because the translation sucks (I have high hopes that JNC will license it like, tomorrow, 11 licenses lmao).

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>>22438383
Neverfuckingmind, they just announced them and they are all trash.

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>>22438422
Where can I see the LN annoucenments for JNC?

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>>22438570
I personally use ANN (because there's more announcements), but any news website should do. I think their twitter has them announced as well.

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>>22434739
> Kotomine acts as though he's the only dude in the world who has a psychosis
but that's him in HF as well?
> and Kiritsugu's sob story is so exaggeratedly grim
It's pretty fucking tame by T-M standards.

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>>22436167
But anyone who likes Kohaku should like her for what she does in her sister's route.

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>>22438976
It's so clearly bait. Why are you responding?

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>>22437630
No. He said that particular line is completely wrong. Which it isn't. Don't make shit up and don't post your discord faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22440109
...Which it is. Read the fucking line. Don't make shit up and stop being an EOP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22439161
Thread was so slow, and I was feeling so lonely.

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>>22412139
This is a very good thread. I am grateful for all of the contents provided in it.

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>>22442552
look at this loser

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>>22442552
Thanks anon.

>>22442658
Faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22442658
look at this loser

[Anonymous No.]

dead thread dead franchise

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>>22442802
braindead

[Anonymous No.]

I have hope something will happen on 25th of December.
I wish I hadn't though.

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>>22442899
Me too.
And number 3 and 4 are amazing. Might prefer 3 more because 4 is a little too much black.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22442552
>I am grateful for all of the contents provided in it.

Do you mean the download links?

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>Saves TYPE-MOON

Why is Strange Fake not talked about here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22443433
It's liked by gachafags and Zero secondaries as well, so /tmg/ decided to take a more contrarian stance.

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>>22443620
Fuck off we've talked about it multiple times over the years, it's just really slow to release and there haven't been news worth talking about in a while.

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>>22443433
Have no idea. I just don't think there's much to talk about it, because its just a well-written HGW. Not much to discuss overall, though the mixing of Tsuki and Fate worlds like it was before 2017 sure is interesting.

>>22443620
Not true. Fuck off. The LN spin-offs come up once every thread, and they are rarely bashed, just not widely talked about. Lord El-Melloi surged in discussion after the anime.
Go back to /fgog/

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>>22443433
I think it is not openly available in english/its translations projects would not be so known?
I would read it if i knew any good translation. I mean, it is the only thing a tsukihimefag like me could enjoy nowadays,

[Anonymous No.]

>>22443047
Yeah the boots make a nice contrast and the only real difference is the pendant, which is fine (and might have some reason to exist now).

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>>22443803
It's very much openly available in English. The translation is very good and almost caught up to the number of volumes out (5, currently getting translated and live progress can be viewed on their website).

Its as easy as searching up "Fate strange fake translation" on google, first link (the tumblr post).

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If Kohaku is't your favorite route, you've missed the entire point of Tsukihime

[Anonymous No.]

>>22444067
>Its as easy as searching up "Fate strange fake translation" on google, first link (the tumblr post).

You know it's in the OP, right?

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>>22444206
Everyone knows Hisui is the best route.

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>>22439161
What's with you and declaring anyone who dares to dislike FZ as a baiter?

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>>22444253
Why do you assume we believe you dislike FZ?

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>>22444067
>>22444210
I know there is an english translation done, I just wasn't sure if it was on par with the releases, last time I saw it was very outdated.
But if it is indeed complete, I shall make some posts later about it.

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>>22444272
I wasn't that Anon who posted why he disliked FZ, but you responding to everyone calling him bait is pretty retarded.

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>>22444253
That's definitely it. Totally not because their post is full of falsities meant to rile up anybody, even the people who think F/Z is average, against it. Literally, no criticism in that post is valid because it's all a strawman. We call that bait. I don't know what your definition is, but sure, defend the anon that's clearly a god damn troll. You must be new here.

>>22444299
And I'm the anon that called it bait. Because it is. You're socially inept and retarded if you think that's not bait. And, personally, I'm not the biggest fan of F/Z either, if that adds any credit. The LN is horribly written and something I'll never pick up again.

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>>22444299
I also wasn't the anon calling that guy a baiter (I am the one talking about FSF translation)
It is just that I remember the reason for people calling him baiter is because of his weird arguments, not that he actually dislike the works. The fact that he keeps making the same type of argument seems like bait (my intepretation).

[Anonymous No.]

Since when did /tmg/ become a hug box?

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>>22444601
4chan is a hug box

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>>22444601
Since when we realized the Remake wouldn't come out and Mahoyo and all announced works would stay in hiatus forever.

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newfag here, i see the DL links for f/sn but not an eng fan translation here. would anyone spoonfeed me and give a link?

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>>22444694
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[Anonymous No.]

>>22442899
I just want TM Ace 13 this year...

[Anonymous No.]

>>22444783
It is really ironic how TM ACE changed to FGO ACE and now StudioBB will soon be where TM logo should be...

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>>22444813
>It is really ironic how TM ACE changed to FGO ACE
FGO has its own Chaldea Ace. TM Ace will have new stuff about other TM works, even if it's just a new illustration (which is literally what happened with TsukiRe in TM Ace 12...)

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>>22444206
true, it's just like how all Arcueid/Ciel fans haven't actually read more than their routes

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>>22445782
We're fans of Arcueid/Ciel because of personal taste on characters.
The route being whatever is another thing entirely.
I understand what Kohaku route meant and I agree how important that ending is considering who the protagonist is.
But that will never mean that is my FAVORITE route because I still prefer meganekko over maids.
For people who defend such route you sure lack a lot of empathy.

[Anonymous No.]

Apologies beforehand if I missed it in the download links, but does anyone have a link to Hollow Ataraxia sprites? Thanks in advance.

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>>22445970
There's a link to it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22445999
I assume there's a zip of them floating around here somewhere. Unfortunately all the links I've clicked on have expired, and then I asked here.

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>>22441737
No. Or prove that it's completely wrong.

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>>22446392
I can read JP? Lmao. The guy at the bottoms translation is correct. Mcjon's line isn't. Can you stop this convo now? You're embarrassing yourself. Defending Mcjon is a hill you'll always die on. His script is fucked and everyone knows it.

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>>22444206
It's the weakest one of the Far Side routes, and I say it as a Kohakufag.

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>>22446579
This is true. It's the shortest route in the entire game, and aside from that borrows most of it from Akiha.

Arc and Akiha get special treatment, they have the longest routes with the most original content. Hisui and Kohaku have the shortest (but desu they should be considered one route because they lead into each other so well).

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>>22446553
The discord tranny made a statement that the line was "completely changed". It's wrong. Maybe you don't know the meaning of the word "completely"? Ask your English teacher.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22446805
Oh sorry semantics coach, didn't know you were socially inept to not know what "exaggeration" means.

And good job moving the goalpost there. Pretty smooth to be honest. Give it a 9/10.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22446844
Good job. Now ask your English teacher what "moving the goalposts" means.
The discord tranny posted bullshit and you brought that pile of shit here even though no one asked you to.

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>>22446915
I wasn't the one who posted the pic. And I do know what moving the goalposts is. You do know that I can go back and read your messages, right?
Goalpost ---> Moved.

>posted bullshit
And since it seems you know about JP so much and can read, how about you do your own translation instead of sitting on your ass? You could probably team up with Mcjon to make the shittiest translation of all time, with your extreme amount of JP knowledge, it's so powerful you could even compare it to the likes of google translate. That's how good it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22446915
>>22446957
keep going at it my dudes, really fun to watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>22446966
I try my best. Wasting the time of people in denial is always fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Archives have failed me so here's a stupid question: Has it been confirmed that KnK is in a separated timeline from the Fate/ ones?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22447032
Yes. It's retarded, but in 2017 Nasu made the awful decision in a blogpost of splitting Tsukihime worlds (Mahoyo, Tsukihime, KnK, Clock Tower 2015) and Fate worlds (Fate/stay night, Fate/Zero, etc) into parallel worlds. Before this, Tsukihime and Fate/stay night took place in the same world, same universe.

Though KnK was always a parallel world from Tsukihime, for some bullshit reason like, it's impossible for there to be 2 people with Mystic Eyes of Death Perception in the same world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22447056
KnK is parallel to Tsukihime, which is parallel to Fate. But could they be in the same timeline? I don't think KnK counts as a Tsukihime world, and its characters get referenced plenty in F/Z and F/SN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22447104
KnK is a Tsukihime world. The character references are usually before the split, like how Ciel gave Archer his coat, or how Touko is the one who provided the puppet for Shirou's soul.

And KnK counts as a Tsukihime world because of the existence of the DAA and the Demon Hunter families. It's also thematically closer to Tsukihime and Mahoyo and has characters directly related as well (Aoko and Touko).

[Anonymous No.]

>>22446957
Then do go back and tell me what exactly and where exactly was moved.
>And since it seems you know about JP so much and can read, how about you do your own translation instead of sitting on your ass? You could probably team up with Mcjon to make the shittiest translation of all time, with your extreme amount of JP knowledge, it's so powerful you could even compare it to the likes of google translate. That's how good it is.
I must apologize. I said that you don't know what "moving the goalposts" is. I was wrong. In fact, you're pretty good at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22447133
>says it's completely changed but can't actually translate it
>another faggot comes up with almost the same translation
>Don't post those trannies here.

>Now explain in great details why this thread needs his bullshit opinion.

I'm going to guess this is you. And regardless, the posts I know that are you defend this guy's opinion. Do you not see the problem here?
>almost the same translation
This was your opinion. You didn't think the translation was all that different. This is exactly what i've been trying to combat this entire time (hint: you're objectively wrong. Mcjon's translations are completely inaccurate). Here's what you said like an hour ago:

>"completely changed". It's wrong. Maybe you don't know the meaning of the word "completely"?
Maybe you're just blind, which at this point would excuse you for not knowing how translation works, but there's a huge difference in the argument here. You've now shifted your goalpost to taking issue with how the translation wasn't "completely changed", NOT how its all that different. Here's an example of how stupid this sounds:

Your original argument:
>Right now, in this moment, they would be wiped out by a horrifying miracle
>Just then, and from now on, a wonder that would make ones hair stand on end would crush them.
"almost the same translation" aka nothing changed

Your argument now:
>"it hasn't completely changed" aka the translation CHANGED, but not completely
We also call this "semantics", which you seem to not know the definition of.

>"moving the goalposts"
Good one. Let's ignore how this entire time you've been calling them "discord trannies" in an obviously derogatory way, implying their translation was trash. Thus I say, do it better. Faggot. Stop being in denial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22447239
It's impossible to decipher the post, especially this:
>You've now shifted your goalpost to taking issue with how the translation wasn't "completely changed", NOT how its all that different.
Does anyone have an idea what it means?
Again. The discord tranny said that the translation "completely changed" the original. Which is bullshit. That was my position and it still is.
So what's changed, exactly?
And stop making shit up, I've never said that the discord trannies' translation is bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22447441
That was never your position you fucking retard. There was no point in your original reply that stated you had a problem with it.

>"almost the same translation" aka the translation DID NOT CHANGE
Original argument

>"it hasn't completely changed" aka the translation CHANGED, but not completely. Semantics argument.
Your shifted goal post. It's an entirely different matter.

>I've never said that the discord trannies' translation is bad
>"says it's completely changed but can't actually translate it"
>"Now explain in great details why this thread needs his bullshit opinion."
>"your discord faggots"
>"The discord tranny" x2

So you hate them because... you hate them. Got it. Makes complete sense. I definitely would be extremely aggressive to someone's post ABOUT THE TRANSLATION, without reason, even though I had no problem with the translation. Your logic is astounding. Are you gaslighting me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22447632
>>"almost the same translation" aka the translation DID NOT CHANGE
>Original argument
>>"it hasn't completely changed" aka the translation CHANGED, but not completely. Semantics argument.
>Your shifted goal post. It's an entirely different matter.
So it's the same. Do you know what "almost" means?

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have hope for the Remake? I honestly feel that Nasu is just going to shove in a ton of FGO references and directly connect the story to FGO somehow. That one interview where he talked about how he wanted to make it so that there could be a Tsukihime event in FGO really left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22447132
That's a lot to digest, so please be patient with me. There's info about when the split happened? There's DAA references in KnK? Got damn it, they are in the novel isn't it? That's what I get for being a filthy secondary and only watched the anime. I have doubts are about the related characters though, they could be parallel versions of each other, not actually one and the same. But that can be said of the references between KnK and Fate too, now that I think about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22448782
Which interview? I don't recall him saying he wats a collab. There is only one interview about him talking about a SSR arcueid.
Tsukihime will be the last work I will actually give my attention regarding Type Moon, I mean, assuming the focus now will be both FGO and studioBB. So I'll just take whatever is offered, act like I'm happy about it and go there and kill myself to eternity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22447032
>Has it been confirmed that KnK is in a separated timeline from the Fate/ ones?
As far as i remember, no. Though it's definitely a different timeline from Tsukihime (because of MEoDP) and from Mahoyo (because of Aoko's age).
>Avz:
>It's the first post on the spoiler boards! I'm asking this here since it's a bit of a spoiler.
>The complete edition of Kara no Kyōkai coming out at the winter comiket is going to have errors corrected, but does that include changes to the setting as well? (For example, in Tsukihime the succession of the Fujou main family is done through the passing down of techniques, while in Kyōkai it is determined by blood.)

>Kinoko:
>I'll answer that!
>Regarding the Fujou, the setting isn't quite the same.
>Though Rakkyo and Tsukihime have a lot of points in common, there are a few tiny differences in the details.
>One of those is the Fujou. In reality they're actually ESP users like the Asagami, Ryougi, and Nanaya. But in Rakkyo they are a magi lineage.
>Other than that... oh, right, there's Aoko's age. If Rakkyo and Tsukihime were the same world then Aoko would only be a little bit older than Tohno Shiki. The Aoko in Rakkyo has not yet gained the title of "Miss Blue", and is still training in Misaki Town.
>It's probably best to think of it as subtly shifted parallel worlds.

>>22447056
That blogpost didn't mention anything about KnK tho, so we don't know if it's a Tsukihime-type world or Fate-type world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22449077
>I don't recall him saying he wats a collab. There is only one interview about him talking about a SSR arcueid.
It's from the same interview
>Nasu: I can’t reveal anything concrete yet at the moment, but rest assured that we’ve been making progress on various titles within TYPE-MOON. I’d like to apologize about not having anything to say right now. But all I can say is that as long as FGO is in service, I just have to make the Tsukihime R collaboration a dream come true.

>4Gamer: !

>Nasu: That’s why I feel that producing good content for FGO and releasing Tsukihime R are the duties entrusted to me and all of TYPE-MOON. After all, I also want to see SSR Arcueid Brunestud happen!

[Anonymous No.]

>>22449126
Oh that, I kinda don't consider that part anymore because of how he speaks nowadays. I mean, for some reason everytime I read something from the last 4 interviews it seems like he hate having to do Tsukihime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22448909
>There's DAA references in KnK? Got damn it, they are in the novel isn't it?
Uh, no not really, sorry. It's more of a logical conclusion. KnK and Tsukihime are very close and only parallel because of the bullshit reason I mentioned before, putting aside any other small inconsistencies that made Nasu do that.

It's easily explained like this. Since the Demon Hunter families and the DAA exist in Tsukihime, KnK having the Demon Hunter families must also mean they have the DAA as well. Both of these elements constitute a Tsuki world, as they are called, where the supernatural is the antithesis of humanity. Humanity fights the supernatural, as one can't coexist with the other since they were created to kill the other. In these worlds, the will of the Earth, Gaia, is a tiny bit more present. Gaia, because of humanity gaining independence from it and its rapid destruction of the environment, created the so-called anti-thesis of humans. Stuff like the True Ancestors, Crimson Moon, etc. etc. These powers have the function of stopping humanity from destroying the Earth, and are modeled in that way, such as them being vampires (though Alaya and the Counter Force are definitely still present here).

Fate worlds are comprised of Holy Grail Wars, more specifically the Throne of Heroes. This is where the supernatural are instead the glorification of humanity, as people from history are deemed Heroes, and become legends. These powers fight alongside humanity and are made to prevent them from extinction. In these worlds, the collective subconscious of mankind Alaya, is a tiny bit more present. Alaya's goal is to prevent the extinction of mankind, even if that means killing some of its own people. This is also why the Throne of Heroes and the Counter Force was made (though, once again, Gaia is also present here).

Sorry for the text dump. But truthfully, a lot of this doesn't matter. What you'll notice is that Gaia and Alaya are still very much present in both worlds, and that there is no inconsistencies here that say otherwise (to the point where Fate/Strange Fake mixes both these elements without a problem). This is because these 2 worlds were 1 until our "beloved" author made the retarded decision to split them, probably because of some FGO lore BS.

>not actually one and the same
Well, they were one and the same. FSN came out after KnK, and until then Nasu himself said Tsukihime, KnK, and FSN took place in the exact same world, and instead were just small happenings. Here's an excerpt from an old interview:

>Speaking of Tohno, did you ever think of doing a crossover with 「Kara no Kyoukai」?
>Nasu: No, even though the word rules (special powers/magic) are the same. They're both just small happenings in a single world. That's why the first main character I made is Aoko-san.

But regardless, even after the world split not much changes. They would just be that world's Touko or that world's Ciel. Which is why the world split shouldn't have happened in the first place, it just overcomplicates things for the reason of overcomplicating it.

Good luck reading all this btw sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22449119
>That blogpost didn't mention anything about KnK tho, so we don't know if it's a Tsukihime-type world or Fate-type world.
Refer to my other post. Originally, Tsukihime and KnK were in the same world. And then because of small inconsistencies in age, time, etc, they were split. There are also a lot of elements in KnK that simply don't or wouldn't make sense to exist if it was a Fate world, specifically the Demon Hunter families (Ryougi and Nanaya being 2 of them, while Tohno being one of the enemies). It's also thematically closer to Mahoyo and Tsukihime, as it doesn't feature a Holy Grail War or any glorification of human history.

While yes, technically it isn't confirmed, it just wouldn't make sense for it to be a Fate world with the facts given.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22449217
>it just wouldn't make sense for it to be
You know that FGO is filled with things that doesn't make sense all the time and increasing as we speak, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22449183
>FSN came out after KnK, and until then Nasu himself said Tsukihime, KnK, and FSN took place in the exact same world, and instead were just small happenings. Here's an excerpt from an old interview:
That old interview was published in March 2001 while the Tsukihime timeline =/= KnK timeline (the greentext in this anon post >>22449119) was mentioned in Dec 2001.
Both happened before FSN got released.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22445843
Your personal taste is invalid, there's no way you can like Arc or Ciel's route after reading the kinography that is Farside routes. Such beautiful routes that almost reach the quality of a Dan Salvato work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22450197
>Dan Salvato
the fuck?
entry level w*stern visual novels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22450197
>Dan Salvato
So, you're reducing Kohaku's route and Nasu's writing style to an OELVN? These people sure don't cease to amaze me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22449534
>Both happened before FSN got released.
Proves my point further then. KnK and Tsukihime were close enough before FSN's release to be classified as "subtly shifted parallel worlds". Because of its similarity, it has to be a Tsuki world.

[Anonymous No.]

>22450197
Amazing bait you got two people

[Anonymous No.]

>>22450428
it works every fucking time

[Anonymous No.]

them glowing kike cia niggas will never translate mahoyo en angleterre parce que baise nous. pourquoi même vivre plus?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22450981
Nice google translate. Angleterre = England you fucking Neanderthal. Anglais is English. And regardless, they're still translating, with chapter 8 already released. New progress page was posted yesterday and they've already started working on 1-7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22450214
>>22450313
Stop falling for the bait

[Anonymous No.]

Would a pseudo-servant that's a physical manifestation of the throne of heroes itself be particularly useful in the grand order if it was subject to the limitations of it's own system, in the same way servants with a divine origin can't go full beastmode or they'd no longer meet the qualifications to be summoned as heroic spirits?

It seems to have at least some will of its own, given it can independently assess how dire a situation is, and can make exceptions to allow for normal humans to be summoned as heroic spirits in exceptional circumstances.

[Anonymous No.]

When did the original Mirror Moon translation come out for F/SN? Was it like 2008?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22452289
I started uni in 2007 and it was out by then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22423611

I wonder if something like a kickstarter whose sole purpose was just to show how much interest there was would sway TM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22453019
Kickstarter would require them to have some interest in the first place. The project would already be set at that point, it would just need funding. They wouldn't ever do that because they don't think there's enough interest in the first place.

The only good idea I can think of is writing a petition, but those rarely work so...

[Anonymous No.]

>>22453242

I had a feeling Kickstater probably would not be the best for just getting attention, if they'd even allow it, perhaps Go Fund Me or something similar would be better. The general thought I had is that a petition is easy to ignore because names alone ultimately mean nothing. On the other hand, if people had to put actual money up (With the intention that they're getting it back), that sounds a little more concrete and would give TM both an indication of how much possible money they could make and how many people are interested.

Part of me can believe the idea that Nasu is scared about handing over any of his creations out of paranoia that he'll somehow lose control or they'll be misrepresented, but a great partner of me thinks it may be TM feeling like they're still a small doujin circle, out of their depth and at risk of serious harm if they were to localize something and it doesn't perform well. That could be why, in addition to Aniplex, Marvelous, and DW partially or entirely controlling the properties, they may not really be concerned about any games, anime, or FGO coming overseas since if they flop it's the aforementioned that will take the brunt or entirely of the financial harm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22453374
>Nasu is scared about handing over any of his creations out of paranoia that he'll somehow lose control or they'll be misrepresented
This is exactly what FGO does, but with more disrespect (heavy ecchi, jokes, bad text, etc);
>it may be TM feeling like they're still a small doujin circle
Takeuchi never had this line of thought, he was always an enterpreneur and he controlled Nasu like a bitch in order to achieve that. Takeuchi is the CEO btw, he currently have more power than Nasu. (search for TM biography for source)
>they may not really be concerned about any games
Read what Nasu said on StudioBB site. Or for fucks sake, just look at StudioBB.
>financial harm
I don't think that would be an issue nowadays.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the HF2 Animation Material Booklet should be included in the OP

https://imgur.com/a/xw0KZjk

[Anonymous No.]

is Mana a good character?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22455244
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22424152
Nasu's writing style translates horribly into english to be fair, and he thinks really highly of himself while joking about how much of a loser he is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22455442
It really doesn't. Most of the time his lines are pretty normally written, but once in a while you'll get the so deemed "Nasu line". These are definitely hard to translate, but not impossible. It just takes a bit of cleverness in wording to get the same meaning out there. It just comes down to effort you put into these specific lines, and sometimes people just don't wanna deal with that shit. The old Mahoyo translation is a good example of someone who literally just didn't wanna deal with it and rewrote it into something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22455442
>and he thinks really highly of himself while joking about how much of a loser he is
He is very bipolar regarding this actually. He first thinks highly and then goes on a depressive state saying how he should get better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22455204
mega.nz/#!KuB1hCIC!PAZnvKFTvl6JdaexAEcELJ_eZJpXINYxesGhEaxXLig
Created a mega link with it. Next anon who creates the thread, insert on the list kudaplease.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22419083
>>22419548
>>22419821
Carnival Phantasm is a horrible adaptation of Take Moon, though. Any segment involving Tsukihime or Sakura was intentionally gutted and made unfunny because of the director's personal biases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22456168
>Tsukihime or Sakura was intentionally gutted
I've read Take-Moon. This is false. Tsukihime is very present in their respective episodes, which take up half of the episode count in CP. And Sakura has a decent amount of screentime, and Dark Sakura gets a cameo too.
>director's personal biases
This is the type of BS people say to the ufotable adaptations, and its always bullshit. There's no "personal bias", its always your dumbshit brain getting triggered because your favorite girl isn't on screen 24/7.

I hope this is bait, honestly sounds like it. Though some of the dumbshit opinions people have here make me believe otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22456187
The Tsukihime segments randomly cut characters who were there in Take Moon, and most of their scenes are literally repeated several times in a row with minor changes, turning them into unfunny chores.
>Sakura has a decent amount of screentime
She's deliberately not included in the first season, then she gets one episode focused on her that the director completely changed the plot of for the explicit purpose of bashing and misportraying her.
>Dark Sakura gets a cameo too.
Yeah, an eyecatch where the background text makes fun of Sakura not being in the first five episodes.
>There's no "personal bias"
Except we literally know from an interview that the director loves Lancer (hence Final Dead Lancer and the like), and hates Sakura because he projects his ex onto her. If you've actually read the Matou Family House chapter, it's incredibly obvious just how full of spite his adaptation of it was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22455814
there literally isn't one good type moon translation, nobody wants to deal with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22456229
>turning them into unfunny chores.
Shitty opinion.
>bashing and misportraying her
You're watching a fucking gag anime on characters you already knew. You can't actually tell me the characters in CP are portrayed exactly like their normal counterparts because they fucking aren't. That's the point.
>background text makes fun of Sakura not being in the first five episodes
The background text was about buying the dvd. Quit your bullshit.
>director loves Lancer (hence Final Dead Lancer and the like), and hates Sakura because he projects his ex onto her.
Linking the interview would be nice, because i can smell a tinge of bias from you here. And, of course, this is flawed logic:
"I hate X character therefore I'm also going to misrepresent them, miswrite them, and spread falsities about them."
Yep, definitely makes sense. If I loved Saber and decided to do my Take-Moon adaptation, I would throw out faithfulness and just make every scene include Saber. You know what? I absolutely hate every single heroine except Ryougi Shiki. Let's just replace every girl in every scene with Ryougi Shiki, and make Shiki kill every single heroine while we are at it. I mean, its 100% GUARANTEED that my opinions will absolutely reflect on how the show is directed. It's not like I'm taking from a source or anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22456240
There is. You just wear some thick, rose-tinted glasses about how every translation is trash, and only the source language is good. And unless it's your translation, its utter garbage. Of course, as you are currently, you won't ever translate anything because you're a lazy piece of shit. Yet you keep complaining about it on an obscure general chat on /jp/, doing absolutely nothing to fix a problem you *supposedly* can fix.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22456439
>Shitty opinion.
The fact that perfectly good Take Moon chapters were left out in favor of repeating Back Alley Alliance and Phantasmoon countless times was nothing but pure incompetence.
>You're watching a fucking gag anime on characters you already knew. You can't actually tell me the characters in CP are portrayed exactly like their normal counterparts because they fucking aren't. That's the point.
There's a difference between parodying a character and shoehorning out of character behavior for the sole purpose of making them look bad. Sakura punching Rider and saying she wants to be abused by Shinji is as obviously the latter as it gets.
>The background text was about buying the dvd.
Not all of the text is visible, but it says something like "Eh? I bought the first DVD, but I'm not anywhere in it... I'm one of the main heroines, you know?", iirc.
>Linking the interview would be nice
Pic related.
>"I hate X character therefore I'm also going to misrepresent them, miswrite them, and spread falsities about them."
Yes, Sakura in particular has been a victim of hacks doing just that for a long time. Remember the final episode of Fate/Zero?
>I mean, its 100% GUARANTEED that my opinions will absolutely reflect on how the show is directed. It's not like I'm taking from a source or anything.
Of course a competent director wouldn't let their personal feelings get in the way of making a faithful adaptation. We're talking about the guy who directed Galaxy Angel Rune, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22453571
>Read what Nasu said on StudioBB site. Or for fucks sake, just look at StudioBB.

Don't forget next extella game, tsukihime remake was just a filler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22455204
>>22455865
Thanks, based anon! How much did the it cost?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.strawpoll.me/18970370/

Please vote no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22456890
Also Nasu's wish of remaking Extra.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22456971
> Nasu: During launch date, within an hour after installing the game, TYPE-MOON’s headquarters was basically up in flames. We halted all the projects we were working on just so we could prioritize FGO, so some of the staff yelled at me before the players could. “We stopped all those projects for this?!”

That's pretty much what happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22457134
omg I need the source of this
I am going to print it and shove in the face of all my friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>22457170
https://oneofepisodes.wordpress.com/2019/01/03/translation-4gamer-round-table-discussion-part-2-mafia-kajita-x-kinoko-nasu/

[Anonymous No.]

>>22448782
>>22449077
Tsukihime is a crudely written psychotic thriller with mystery elements in the form of supernatural elements that are never explained until afterwards.

And the story totally abuses the idea of fading to black as a device to easily make tons of shit happen while leaving the reader in the unknown and confused in order to keep them hooked and to introduce drama without much effort.

Kara no Kyoukai and Mahoutsukai no Yoru are Nasu's best works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22457190

[Anonymous No.]

>>22457227
>no argument

Kara no Kyoukai is more ambitious, and Fate is better written.

Even Mahoyo is better than Tsukihime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22457257
While mahoyo is not that crazy in terms of plot, it still have the best pacing and the best execution by a lot. also Alice Aoko and sou are his best written character in term of interaction with each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22457190
Nope. CCC is Nasu's best work. Even Babylonia and Camelot are much better than older Nasu works, KnK is amateur as fuck and cringe worthy to read. Nasu only started writing decently around 6 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22457798
Vro these baiters are not even trying anymore lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>22457864
It might be a ritual of passage or requirement for entry on FGO nests like /a/ and /vg/.
"bait one at /tmg/ and you're in"

[Anonymous No.]

>>22457864
Imagine being so insecure about opinions that you think everyone different from you is baiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>22453571

>Read what Nasu said on StudioBB site. Or for fucks sake, just look at StudioBB.

By games I mean everything that has been released overseas. I wouldn't be surprised however if for some unknown reason anything SBB makes never gets an official English release.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22458145
Ok baiter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22458249
But aside from CCC and tiger colosseum, all games are being localized, I don't think that would be the case.
I mean, VNs not being released overseas always had that stigma of bein not adaptable/not well received because well, eroge in general is a very japanese thing. You have to remember that although japanese are different at how they make games, they don't want a different result, that is, everybody wants to have a revenue of AAA games. Everyone wants to be in the AAA category, even if that means that your work will become shit.
Actually, thinking about it now, CCC actually enters this criteria of not being very adaptable to western audiences, for a lot of reasons. The only weird case would be Tiger Colosseum.
I mean, look how fast Extella was localized. Look how fast FGO NA is being localized. If there is someone who should be happy, that one is the game fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22458290
localisation is a big fucking tumor on the industry

[Anonymous No.]

The biggest update to EoD in literally two years, 2 more h-scenes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22461009
I thought the interface was Persona 5 for a moment.

[Anonymous No.]

Just finished the Stay Night VN. Anyone else liked the Fate route the most? I'd say that, then HF, then UBW - the other routes were good, but I feel like Fate had the most satisfying ending and had the least pacing issues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22463733
That's an extremely rare opinion, to be honest. There was a time where people loved UBW and hated HF, and nowadays, HF is the most loved one, but Fate was always just kind of there at best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22463769
UBW and HF do always seem to be the most liked, but watching Saber gradually open up her heart to Shirou over Fate and its bittersweet ending was amazing. Sad that there wasn't more development for Saber Alter in HF, they even joked about it in a Tiger Dojo.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>22463733
My fucking brother. I loved Fate route, and Heaven's Feel was a close second due to possibly controversial opinions.

Fate will always have this mystical type of immersion, and Saber's development was a great part of it.

[Anonymous No.]

I find it werd for peopl to not like Fate or to at least not have a part in their heart reserved for it.
Usually people differentiate themselves as Rinfags and Sakurafags, but in the end, loving Saber is to love what Fate is regarding its essence, which is the Holy Grail War and most of its symbols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22412139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGe5n8idtZA

[Anonymous No.]

>>22467867
Kino

[Anonymous No.]

>>22466770
That part of me died long ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22456647
Wait, is this really the reason Sakura got like no fucking screentime in CP?

For fuck's sake. At least now I have someone to blame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22456647
>>22468556
>Remember the final episode of Fate/Zero?

Can someone explain this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22456229
>Yeah, an eyecatch where the background text makes fun of Sakura not being in the first five episodes.

#09 The Distance between them - Issei walked away with the episode
Miura: Kamiya Hiroshi, the actor who plays Matou Shinji, is so good. His voice alone is enough to create a picture. I really thought he was amazing.
Kondou: There's a scene where Rin is talking to Shirou about adopted children, and I love how it makes you want to butt in and go, "How can you ask him that?"
Miura: Actually, I thought about having Sakura watching from a window, as those two (Rin and Shirou) are sneaking around outside the Matou house. But the idea was nixed by Sudou-san, so I scrapped it.
Kondou: Well, I guess I can see why.
Miura: I was worried about how to handle Sakura's exit, so I wanted to give her a proper sendoff. I set it up meticulously, but in the end, Issei ran away with the episode. (laughs)

[Anonymous No.]

>>22412139
Would you call TM VN deep ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22468833
The majority of people in this general started with FZ or FGO and didn't care/know about the series before FGO.

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>>22468860
Actually, no.

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>>22468729
Remember Kariya's death in Zero? The LN and other adaptations like the manga and drama CD had Sakura getting traumatized by it and interpreting it as Zouken teaching her a lesson about what happens to those who go against him, but the anime portrayed it as if she was mocking him and even made it easy to misinterpret the scene as her betraying and killing Kariya.

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>>22468815
What does UBW have to do with CP?

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>>22468932
Heh, and people persists in saying I am dumb for not liking adaptations.

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>>22468860
Keep baiting any time.

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>>22469089
But that was a weird bait now, don't ya think? He basically called us what most FGOfags are.
I mean, if he want to dirty their image, I'm all for it frankly.

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>>22469111
>But that was a weird bait now, don't ya think? He basically called us what most FGOfags are.

What's the difference between FGOfags and /tmg/?

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>>22468932
>>22468948
>>22468960
Are the ufotable anime bad adaptions of their source material?

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>>22469137
Its funny that I saw actual Tsukihime discussion on /fgog/ before while all I saw when I peered into /tmg/ was people seething and boogyman

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>>22456458
Man you sure are making a ton of hot assumptions there. The person you are replying to didn't even imply any of the things you are saying.

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>>22469189
>Man you sure are making a ton of hot assumptions there. The person you are replying to didn't even imply any of the things you are saying.

I can't tell if you're a really persistent shitposting troll or an honest to god fucking schizo.

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>>22469195
>everyone on /tmg/ is the same person

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>>22469185
Because we already exhausted all topics and whanever something pops up is just the same repetition or another interpretation of the text.

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>>22469148
It is not the adaptation as a whole, it is that specific change from the original source. Unchanged things were acceptable.

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>>22469185
I mean, we have been talking about everything for almost 20 years. The fact that they "started" talking about Tsukihime now (because the amount of people shitting on it will be like, enormous) just means they are fresh meat.
Have TM stop making shit gacha games and more VNs and you shall see we're talking about them. Can't talk about what isn't worth.

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>>22457798
>CCC is Nasu's best work
CCC is soulless fapbait that seems written because Nasu was horny one day and concealed his horniness in badly pseudo intellectual garbage full of the uninspired shitty cast that failed to be popular. It's like calling to love ru darkness one of the most deep and meaningful manga of the century.

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>>22470176
don't respond to the bait

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>>22470176
A cursory glance atCCCwill tell you that it’s a fanservice-heavy game, in both the sexual and “you’re a fan, here’s some stuff you’ll find funny” senses. And it’s true – this is probably the closest we’ve come to seeing another Type-Moon eroge without it actuallybeing an eroge. I can already hear the “Nasu is sexist omg!!1!” cries in the distance, but hear me out – the heavily sexualized nature of the game ties heavily into what the story is about. And what is that, exactly? Let’s bring up a clear comparison that some anime viewers will be familiar with:Revolutionary Girl Utena.

While I don’t have a way to actually confirm whether Nasu intentionally put inCCCelements that can be traced toUtena, the comparisons are very easy to make. On the surface level,CCCmimics the repetitive structure ofUtenaand its duels: each chapter ends with a duel with your Servant against an opposing Master. Duels inCCCare less of a contest of strength and more of a contest of principles –inCCC, you’re not fighting to kill every Servant you encounter, but to open their Master’s heart and break the walls that they have built to block your way. Each chapter begins witha fairy tale from Andersenthat tells the story of the central character of the chapter. The use of flower motifs is heavy – cherry blossoms/sakura petals are as important toCCCas roses were toUtena. The use of imagery and theatrics is so heavy that I find it very hard to believe that the connection toUtenais unintentional.

CCCalso makes use of the characters’sexualization to make a point. Sexuality is used both seriously and in jest – in the same way thatUtenawas not afraid to show that its characters are teenagers experiencing adolescent desires while also parading shirtless gay Touga and Akio,CCCis not afraid to use Elizabeth Bathory ~Top Idol~, Meltlilith’s, Passionlip’s, and BB’s outfits to both provide fanservice and contribute to the game’s overall theme.

And just whatisthat theme? In the first place, what isFate/Extra CCCeven about? I’ve talked about whatCCCisnot: a standard Fate/ series about a death game for the Holy Grail.So let’s move on to whatCCCis – I think the entirety of CCC can be summed up in this way:

Fate/Extra CCCis a story of love.

There’s a slight difference from saying that it’s alove story– in fact, that falls under the overall umbrella ofCCC‘s themes. WhatCCCseeks to answer is the question that we have all asked at least once in our lives:what is love?

Turns out that it’s a question that’s harder to answer than it looks. The word ‘love’ in English covers different things in Japanese –愛 (ai), 恋 (koi), 欲 (yoku), 好き (suki) are all “love” in one way or another. Let’s start with欲/yoku, the instinctual desire for something.

CCC‘s storystarts with a berserk AI who calls herself BB, who trapped you and the rest of the cast in the Far Side of the Moon, away from the Holy Grail War. To block you from getting back to the Near Side, BB sets up the Sakura Labyrinth, using the hearts of female Masters to create walls– after all, a maiden’s heart contains themost tightly-guarded secrets. The Masters under BB’s control now stand against your way, and you must break into their hearts and fight them in order to get back to the “proper Grail War” – the place where you all belong.

The ‘secrets’ofthe girls who become cores of each dungeon often take the form of something that they are obsessed with – something that they hide from others, but also something that they enjoy doing, that theylovedoing. I mentioned that the heavily sexual nature of the game ties into the story, so here’s why:sexual desire is a very basic form of love. It is a biological instinct to seek what makes us feel good.Fate/Extra CCCtakes one step further and shows a dualistic nature of this instinct – we are driven by a desire to control the things we love, but we also sometimes get controlled by the things we love. This is first clearly shown during the first two dungeons where the themes area desire to be controlledanda desire to control, but it’s even more clearly shown with BB’s two alter-egos,Passionlip and Meltlilith.

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>>22470201
Too lazy to copy paste the rest here, but go read the post on the one of episodes blog. It's a great analysis and shows that CCC is one of the best things Nasu ever wrote, and honestly way more refined than anything in FSN and especially Tsukihime.

I think the only reason people refuse to believe this is because this thread is filled with the same few people who parrot one another endlessly. Because I have yet to see any indication from anyone that they actually have read CCC and understood it. Probably because most of this thread cannot read Japanese.

Nasu is way better at writing than he was in the past and the fact that this thread can't see that pretty much shows how uninformed all of you are.

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>>22470215
You're great reason for why CCC is so great is a fucking blogpost from a guy who took 1 year of japanese lessons and also jerks off baldr sky for being deep.

You're such a fucking retard

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>>22470305
Learn English. Also, not an argument.

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>>22470316
what is your argument? you just copy pasted someone elses. You can pretend CCC is deep all you want but at the end of the day it's still nothing but sex jokes. and rin loves money jokes.

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I propose a simple solution to /tmg/'s problems.
Stop caring about Fate.

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>>22470415
It's an eternally mad general!

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>>22470415
But fsn is good...

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>>22333526
That would be nice.

I would much prefer Caster though despite my love for Medusa and Gorgon.

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>>22470693

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WRYYYYY

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>>22470215
Just another anon.
Let me make things clear here, I don't think CCC is a bad work and "only sex jokes". There is a point to that story and it is related to most of what was done on FSN. If you disagree, I invite you to read further on Nasu's words about it.
The usual issue with what I call "Age of Extra" (from Fate/Extra to FGO) is not that it is bad written. The issue is that as a major literature work, Fate as a whole is a very limited topic and CCC, a Fate derived work, suffers with it. I believe that there are two most interesting topics on any TM work with one of them being the character development, which is related to the post of the guy you gave us to some extent.
Now, the other topic of Fate that is interesting is the world building. What do I mean by it?
1 How magecraft (魔術) works.
2 How magic (魔法) works.
3 How the Magic Association works.
4 How Atlas works.
5 How the Church works.
6 How the Burial Agency works.
7 How Alaya works.
8 How the Counter Force (抑止力) works.
9 How Gaia works.
10 How the Gaia associated beings works (Non-human in general).
11 How the very essence of the universe (根源) works as a whole (Swirl of the Root根源の渦, Heaven空, Void「　」or 空) works.
12 How mental world works (Reality Marble固有結界 and Marble Phantasm空想具現化).
Fate franchise (CCC included) limits itself to talk about 1,3,7,8 as the major topics. All the other topics are either neglected (because of human order人理 issues), just used as a plot device or just slightly referenced.
One ot the things that makes me mad about Fate in general is its lack of world building when compared to early works, like Tsukihime, Mahoyo, Kara no Kyoukai and even the smallest of all, Notes. And not only that, much of what the world building had is often changed (retconned) to better fit character development, which has been a bad habit of Nasu for a long time now,
And curiously, one the biggest symbols of this bad habit is BB, with the biggest evidence being how much influential she is nowadays.
I personally hate it. It is like all Nasuverse is being bent to better develop the Matou Sakura Mythology. And by no means I am a Sakura hater, I would be actually a Rin hater.
You could say that some of the world building has been developed with Extella and Lostbelt, and I would agree. However, there is so much can be developed on Human Order based timelines. You CAN NOT develop Gaia elements like Types, the Church, True Ancestors, etc outside of Tsukihime worlds and Tsukihime-like stories (Kara no Kyoukai).
I don't think CCC should be regarded as a bad work, but you have to understand that CCC is a very niche work inside the already niche Type Moon Repertoire. EX and Grand Order timelines are, as far as we have observed, the most shit ways of talking about non-humanity issues.
Of course, you could say "who cares about that shit?", but the same would go to your romantic babble. Neither the world building nor character development is the focus of the majority of the TM consumers nowdays, they are just gacha addicts, people who like special effects and ecchi.
That is, what you like in Fate is valid. The only thing I ask you is not to make the dumb assertion of "everything else is bad because it doesn't develop what I like". I understand the good and bad points of each work and you should be smart enough to do the same with the other works.
One of the things that make me laugh at some of your arguments is that "Old works like Tsukihime are not as well written, Nasu is so much better doing Fate." Well, it is kinda hard to have other works well written WHEN MOST OF THE FUCKING TIME HE IS WORKING ON FATE. Yes, to talk that Fate is better written is the biggest Fallacy that could have been made.

Anyway, I hope this text helps you understand the side of some of us. This by no means represents all /tmg/ but rather a part of it.
Do not reduce Type Moon to only what you like, as it is not a franchise of only one Heroine. Not even Nasu would like that. Do that, and the only thing will you bring upon yourself is rage. If you really want a honest opinion, try to understand our side, our wish of Tsukihime things to continue. The wish of a even progress of all what is Type Moon.

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>>22471266
>Do not reduce Type Moon to only what you like, as it is not a franchise of only one Heroine.
That is quite literally what I've done in the last few years.
Even though they get basically nothing, it keeps my interest focused as to not waste my time on the current drivel.
Otherwise I would've abandoned following TM long ago, but because what I do like I like so damn much, it is so hard to let go as long as there is a potential of more in the future.

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>>22471299
Well, so in the end you understand how /tmg/ is. The only difference being that we're stubborn.
It is indeed a problem when you really love something.

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>>22470320
You haven't read CCC. Why are you lying on the internet?

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>>22471309
To invest so much in something so fickle, to treat it as something to be faithful to, that is what hurts the most when you can't let go.
It affects your life, fiction is basically fact if you let yourself believe it.

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SOUL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy_xbXIJ898

SOULLESS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T7u7NBV8t4

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>>22471490

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>>22471490
>2015 was days of maintaince
>we laughed about it

>2019 was only a 24h maintainance
>people go apeshit

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If on december 25th there is no TsukiRE announcement I shall abandon TM forever.

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>>22471717
Au revoir Shoshanna

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>>22471717
What's special on 25 december?

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>>22470415
You want me to forget this kino ost? Hell no
https://youtu.be/PJZLx17B2G4

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I would actually play Extra and CCC out of curiosity if there was a way to eliminate the horrific gameplay.

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>>22471811
Watch a gameplay video on yt? (if you remove the gameplay you wouldn't be playing anyway)

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>>22471776
Tradional date of most TM releases, Tsukihime specially.

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>>22471811
>watch some of the full playthrough videolists
>skip all the gameplay
woah

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I actually like RPS

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>>22471865
>>22471869
I'm autistic and refuse to watch gameplay videos on youtube. If I don't do it myself, it doesn't count.

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>>22471962
So, you don't fap?

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>>22471793
Dude REVERB lmao

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>>22472008
I don't understand.

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someone posted jim sterling video about addiction and gacha on /fgog/ kek

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>>22471776
Arc's birthday, also only a couple of days from the anniversary of Tsukihime's release. I think a lot of people are hopeful this will be when they officially announce the remake or even release it.

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>>22472074
>or even release it.
Anon
>when they officially announce the remake
I'm pretty sure they'll try to tie it with some FGO campaign to maximize the profits on both ends, so maybe golden week 2020 or 2021

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>>22472096
Golden Week 2020 will be either Prototype or Heavens Feel based.
2021 is a better bet.

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>>22472096
>Anon
The tiniest bit of optimism can't hurt right? ...right... ? ;-;

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>>22472137
It is either be this optmistic or go kill ourselves, so yeah.
The problem is...it will hurt even more if nothing happens.

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Well, good fat Gaben announced a Half Life game, although not the third, it is still something that nobody was believing.
Maybe we will get something similar? Like a one shot prequel?

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>>22472173
Tsukihime prequel, tying it to FGO.

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>>22472187
I was thinking about the story from Crimsom Moon vs Zelretch to Arcueid Birth and Roa being a pedo.
In a sense this is common to all timelines, including FGO.

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>>22470201
>I can already hear the “Nasu is sexist omg!!1!”
But Nasu said that the theme for CCC is "women are monsters".

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>>22472335
CCC was also where all this kinks were revealed.
>>Kingprotea and gigantism wink wink

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Hey guys, it is that time again. /fgog/ shitting on Nasu's past at its finest.

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>>22472292


Q: You must tell us the details of the battle between the Crimson Moon and Zelretch at his prime!!

A: You are asking me to divulge such delicious details from my stash of ideas? Mmmm... I have shown some similar scenes in Mahoyo, they would carry a similar vibe. It would be something like, the Crimson Moon dropping a mirror image of the Moon (HERE IT COMES!) versus Zelretch doing something only he was able to do: a virtually limitless Ether Cannon unleashed through a special magic circle ("Magic Square"). If we had five times the budget of Mahoyo, then we may be able to realize such a scene.

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>>22472411
Who cares? Notes is mediocre. People only like parts of it because their imagination could go wild with the possibilities. Most of it has already been recycled into Extraverse and parts of FGO and Nasu doesn't care about it so I wouldn't consider it relevant.

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>>22472720
Ok now, this is good bait. You almost got me.

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>>22472756
Whatever you say, Everythingisbait-kun.

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>>22472814
Ok baiter.

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>>22472915
I want more of this.

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>>22472560
>If we had five times the budget of Mahoyo, then we may be able to realize such a scene.
He probably has 100 times the budget of Mahoyo now.

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>>22472720
The value of Notes is as much as Tsukihime. It's original ideas are relevant, they just need to be updated. To bad mouth something because it is old is a fallacy.
>Nasu doesn't care about it so I wouldn't consider it relevant.
Prove it. Now.

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>>22471793
That is firmly average.

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>>22472756
Notes has already been retconned to hell and back.

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Although there are lots of haters here of Notes and Nasu's past, I will still love all those early books of his, not only because they have a special meaning to me, but I know that without those nothing of what people watch and play today would exist.
You might find it irrelevant or just bad.
But somebody is gonna praise this past.
And it is gonna be me.

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>>22473419
>It is original ideas
Yeah, recycling Lovecraft sure is original.

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>>22475764
Lovecraft was actually something recent, what was copied on Notes and on most of his works was Evangelion.
But when I said original ideas I refer to the result of the concepts he established, that is, what "originated" the nasuverse. I didn't mean he was original or not and frankly I never really cared.
I invite you to read Notes as it seems you lack knowledge about it. If you don't want to and just wanna badmouth it without any responsibility, then there is so much I can do.
This new world created by the new TM fans is indeed sad.

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>>22475793
I read notes years ago though
I invite you to move on to writing that isn't juvenile.

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>>22475863
Why the heck there are so many baiters lately.
I'm curious about something though, you mean that recent TM works are not juvenile?

[Anonymous No.]

How to fix that? I have this problem in fullscreen and windowed mode... The game just doesn't fit into the monitor

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>>22477248
ctrl + F

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>>22477867
It doesn't work...

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>>22477248
>>22478212
What OS and what resolution is your monitor? Tsukihime is a 640x480 game so I wouldn't think there would be any problems with the windowed mode.

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>>22478218
Windows 10 and 1920x1080. I downloaded the game from the OP post

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dead