Elona General

[Anonymous No.]

Old thread >>22241522

>New? Start here:
https://pastebin.com/FDv2ATAa

>Mods:
https://pastebin.com/5ja03yuf

>E+ Changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>Elona Custom Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29851

>Elona+ Custom-G Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>Current Version:
Elona+ 1.93 (2019-11-03)
>Latest Custom:
E+C 1.90.4 (2019-06-02)
Elona+ Custom-G 1.90.4.1 (2019-06-03)

>Omake Overhaul English Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28909

>Current Version:
Elona Omake Overhaul EN (2019-06-17)
Omake Overhaul EN Hack final release (2018-12-14)

Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to Windows 7.
Using GIMP to create a sprite or PCC? Select "do not write color space" and save it as a 24-bit BMP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22384204
No Elin link?

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>>22384513
Heck. Knew I forgot something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22384204
Apparently someone ported Custom to OO EN for some reason?
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:31530?useskin=oasis

[Anonymous No.]

>>22384636
Plus' features aside, is there anything in custom that oomsest didn't cover? The translations and save file compatibility is already in (plus the damage popup).

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>>22384739
AI, mostly. Maybe using the house board to mass harvest/plant crops at a farm.

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>>22384204
>Elona+ Custom-G 1.90.4.1
Custom-G is at 1.90.4.2 now.

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>>22384204
Elin
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1moY3mcjFNPCytLFTdhgB0Xhnq2Bbt_yE/view

[Anonymous No.]

these images are the best lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>22384204
Can you get raped by orcs and stuff in this?

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>>22389171
Why? Your PC is a chad who always play the top 99% of the time. You'll be the one dominating and raping them instead.
If you're just looking to get impregnated or mindraped, then the wells, aliens and yiths will happily give you that gender be damned

[Anonymous No.]

I found the best quest.

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>>22390483
It compels you to Grab Titty.

[Anonymous No.]

what is better. Elona+ 1.93 or Elona+C 1.90?

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>>22391406
If you're used to the translation improvements in Custom, you might find Elona+ by itself kinda janky.

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>>22390483
Weird, I don't remember this string in the randart name pool.

[Anonymous No.]

Tips for beating the Crypt of the Damned? Boss won't stay muted.

[Anonymous No.]

Can you play Elona with a gamepad? DS4

[Anonymous No.]

>>22393464
What version?

>>22393469
Yes, I remember playing the vanilla with a cheap chinese bootleg controller. It was quite intuitive and comfortable. Haven't tried with the forks though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22394368
>94368▶
>>>22393464 (You)
Elona Plus 1.81.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22394476
Issizzle is something that you should generally be capable of bursting down with brute force. If you can't and your Mist of Silence level is low, then stack up on potions and try that. It can still be resisted, but at low Mist levels potions are slightly more dependable.

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>>22395092
Alright, thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.]

I really wish there was a good way to teach pets spells outside of E+C.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22396892
Leold can teach 'em a few spells.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22397144
Sure, but it doesn't account for a lot of spells nowadays.
Actually, that got me thinking. Does anyone know how "Variable Storm" compares to the regular ball spells? Does it act like the normal ball for whatever element it's using, or does it have a standard power?

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>>22398588
Just checked the source, it appears that Variable Storm works by just calling the appropriate storm spell.
Weirdly, it works by setting the storm to be magic, then checking each resist to see if it's greater than the currently selected element. Including magic, which means it effectively checks it twice for no real reason.

[Anonymous No.]

So, what is the consensus about the best melee weapon type? Was shield ever worth it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22401230

MA and 2H are the best styles. Lightsaber is the best melee weapon until you have reliable vorpal, then anything goes. in 1.92+ every weapon can get extra pierce with skill, so lightsaber isn't quite as op as it used to be. Bloodrod and hand-slot-held joker are probably the 2 strongest weapons, once you have vorpal and artifact fusion. Bloodrod has no sustain, and you'll run out of mp in like 5 seconds. Only use for boss-kills.

The best setup is fusioning 1 grenade, 1 gravity sphere, and the rest magic damage. Maybe add some chaos if you want status effects. You can't fusion nether, but it's a good one for healing too. Cut and decap are the strongest, but you also can't fusion them. Time stop isn't bad, but you can just use time stop ammo when you need it. Plus the 4-16%(multi-attack) chance of 2-4x turns without crit damage isn't as good as it sounds.

Shield trades offense for defense. If you die a lot it's fine, but if you don't it just cuts your dps for no reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22384204
E+CGFU is so forced casualizing that I honestly don't know if I can enjoy it

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>>22402136
What is -FU?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22402154
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:30363

[Anonymous No.]

>>22402170
Oh.
Well, it seems like that's kinda the point of it, no? It's Elona for people who want a more casual experience.
Although those do seem to be some... sweeping changes.

[Anonymous No.]

Recently updated from Elona Plus 1.81 to 1.90 with Custom, Custom -G and Beautify. Upon trying to convert my save file, the game gives me an error message which translated says "An internal error occured (1)" and the game freezes. Any fixes?

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>>22402562

Does it work without -g?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22402636
I fixed it. Just had to run each executable in order (elonaplus 1.90, then custom, then custom -G).

[Anonymous No.]

I've never tried Elona, but it looks like a game that could perfectly scratch my autistic needs (sorry in advance for the following unadultered autism).
I have some questions to determine if Elona+ or Omake is the better choice to fulfill my minmaxing, infinite grind, e-peen needs. In order of importance, which one does it better regarding:
>Infinite scaling and minmaxing
Ideally this would mean either infinite stat gain (even minor shit like +1 mana every 2 levels and no level cap) or anything (even non-combat stats or some weird item or whatever) that can always improve given enough time and grind or the right items. I've also read about a mutant build that allows a FUCKTON of item slots, aiming for such power gives me a minmax boner, do both versions allow such power?
>Challenge/"balance"
Permadeath is a must. By balance i mean legit-challenging and not-easily/not game-breakingly exploitable (aside from the very late-late-late game of course). Being able to eventually become a god with enormous stats and infinite wishes is fine. Being able to skip/exploit/cheese a win at any point aside from the very late game is not. Basically i need accomplishment, and that requires effort/challenge to reach the peaks of power and challenge to keep growing (so scaling content)
>Content
Which one has more skills/items/dungeons/quests etc? I know Elona+ has more continents, but as long as there are "infinite" dungeons that's not an issue. I'm referring to item variety/number of skills/pets and whatnot. I love collecting and 100%ing shit, so the more pets to minmax and items to collect, the merrier.
>Records everything in-game in morgue-files/somewhere as proof of no cheating (optional)
I also have e-peen syndrome, and since this game can't be played online, and since recording 100+ hours of gameplay would be both impractical for the viewer who wishes to verify if i've cheated and for my disk memory, i'd rather have a game where i can simply post my save/folder/whatever and let non-believers verify whatever they wish.I know this request is pure autism, but be patient. I also know every game can eventually be cheated, but any form of no-cheat-proof file or anticheat is fine. Otherwise i'll just stick to either recording or save sharing, it's not really an issue since i just need to not cheat.

Thanks in advance and sorry for the raw OCD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22402651
Elona+ for sure, I feel that Omake feels much more balanced with weapons types and the feats are really cool, but on pure amount of content and abilities Elona+ wins. For example some basic enemies scale to lv 50 in Omake while in Custom they go to 200. Omake feels more like a enhanced vanilla after you play Elona+ because of how bloated it is, which is good and bad at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22402651
If you want retardedly high stat levels and grinding Omake is practically built for making huge numbers.
But there is no permadeath in Omake and those retardedly high numbers seem to be made through the game purposefully letting you break it in half even relatively early.
So for those specific set of requirements I'd say plus. The stats softcap at 2k but you can level for much longer than that and equipment and buffs help you reach higher. And there is a mode for permadeath and one that tanks your stats if you save scum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22402651
>Infinite scaling and minmaxing
All Elona variants support nearly endless leveling, but vanilla and Omake do not have much content beyond the end of the vanilla story (Act 1 in E+) other than the gods. A bit of a gap there.

>Balance
Hard to say really. I've never been one to break the game in half so I'm not sure what you could do to do that. Having minmaxed pets in E+ can make the game far easier, but there's all sorts of fun bullshit enemies out there too. In the unlikely event you break the game such that glancing at the gods' avatars destroys them, there's always the Nightmare Manekis mod.
Permadeath is only an in-game option in E+. If you want to do that in the others it has to be self-enforced.

>Content
Both have different sorts of content. Omake has MUCH more "roleplay" sort of stuff, E+ has continued story with further Acts to the game, thus a couple more continents, and an expansion to pets with pet evolution. Shitloads of enemies too.

>Morgue files
As far as I know there's no way to verify whether or not somebody has cheated; intelligent use of a save editor program is undetectable. Omake, like vanilla, does nothing to stop save scumming.
E+'s permadeath mode has a feature where it will penalize you for loading a save without having used save-and-quit, which includes a permanent reduction to your health and mana stats.

Ultimately, like any other roguelike, not scumming comes down to self control, because nothing can really defeat the ol' save duplication scum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22402651

The void goes forever in all versions of the game, so there's no shortage of things to kill. Omake's endgame is much higher, but death ehekatl is pretty much the only thing up there, aside from custom npcs and void scaled enemies. Smithing is the ultimate grind, you can grind all the way to 2 billion enchant strength or stats/skills, but it'll take forever to get there.

Plus has the most stuff in it. No contest, I won't bother listing it all out. It'll also still take you 100-500 hrs to cap a character if you know what you're doing. Artifact fusion can keep you busy for a while longer, but that caps out at 2000-3000 enchant strength per gear to. Additionally, plus is the only version with perma death, choose "loss mode" difficulty. However, you really have to know what you're doing to take a loss character to endgame. Elona is riddled with cheap deaths.

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>>22403019
Oh, and mutants are stronger in oomsest, you'd want to start as a normal character though, and wish to be a mutant later, so you can get +12 limbs on top of your 13 to start with. Then wish to be a spider or golem for their race bonus.

In plus mutants can get 15 + 12 limbs, but you'd need a gene new game+ character to do it, and avoid leveling all the way into act 2 when you'd buy limbs from gavela.

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>>22402745
I see, but do enemies scale max to level 200? Or are there places (like an infinite dungeon kinda thing) where monsters scale even at higher levels?
A shame we can't have both the coolness of Omake and the sheer content of Plus, but oh well.
>>22402748
What do you mean "softcap"? As in "this is the max, only temporary improvements are now possible like gear/buffs"? Is there anything (even just level number) that can go infinite?(or integer number limit?)
Excellent news about the permadeath + anticheat measures. Of course anything can be bypassed, but it's good enough for me.
>>22402774
>Endless levelling
Muh dick. Is there even a cap?
Your post was very informative, it looks clear to me that Elona+ is the choice to make then. I hope the "MUCH more roleplay" part in Omake isn't met with completely broken Engrish and no flavour in Elona+.
I do know that cheaters will find a way, but i'm glad there ARE anticheat measures at all. I guess recording myself can be one-way to go about it, but since it looks like i'll play for a LONG time (autism and fun!) i don't know how many hundreds of hours i can humanly store and record.
>>22403019
>>22403040
Umh, that makes my choice a bit harder. Can a character reach literal 2 billion enchant strenght/stats in Plus? Or is true infinite scaling a Omake only thing? Glad Plus has the most stuff though

Thanks for the very precise answers anons, i'll post here again soon with any doubts i may have, or just to share my horrible newbie adventures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22403157
All [base] stats in Elona+ cap at 2000. They can be increased over that amount with gear, modifying mutations, buffs, etc. Most players never even come close to hitting it honestly, except grindmasters like Kai.
I can't really speak to how Omake does things however.
>completely broken Engrish and no flavour in Elona+
That's actually mostly why Elona+ Custom exists; it re-enables cutscenes that are normally disabled by playing in English, translates a ton of stuff, and gives at bare minimum a machine translation to everything instead of "This is untranslated"

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>>22403157
In plus base stats cap at 2k and with buffs/gear you can usually double that to 4k, sometimes as high as 6k. That's if you min-max everything that can be min-maxed. It's enough to hit for 1-5M damage against capped enemies, and you can use charge to 10x that for one hit.

In oomsest the initial cap is 2k, but you get a title that bumps that up to 9999 later (PC only). The hard cap is 2 billion stats, and you can get there with buffs, feats, and smithed gear. the level cap is around 1 billion before it overflows.

The side pic is an oomsest pet using feats + levels to get their extra stats.

[Anonymous No.]

can i safely patch custom 1.90 and cg 1.90 onto plus 1.93?

[Anonymous No.]

Guys I want to make a fix to a character mod I'm using, but I have never used GIMP before and I don't know how to edit bmps. Please help the porcs are just purple squares

[Anonymous No.]

>>22403391
No.
They replace the executable with a modified one, so each one has to be manually updated.

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>>22403400
Make sure you check this when exporting as a .bmp.

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>>22403403
wait, so are you saying they dont work with 1.93 at all, or that i have to do it in a certain way/order?

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>>22403414
They do not work at all. It would be like playing 1.90CG.
The way to make them work would be to:
>get the source code for both 1.93 and 1.90CG
>copy everything that's changed in the 1.93 code into the 1.90CG code
>recompile
This is assuming updates to 1.93 do not touch any code that 1.90CG changes from regular 1.90 E+, in which case it would be significantly trickier.
And I don't think that we've been getting the source code for the latest versions of E+ now that custom development is stopped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22403413
That wasn't the problem, but it's fine now. After brute forcing a couple options I figured out how to edit

[Anonymous No.]

>>22403441
We've never gotten the source for E+, it was always a decompile. This causes more headaches, as you'll need to clean up the decompiled code first.

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>>22403205
That brings to my attention: do generated randarts also scale? Or are they capped to a very low level of power? If it's the former, you can pseudo improve stats ad infinitum, since gear will always be generated stronger than before.
Does Elona+ Custom change much from Elona+ aside from kinda fixing the flavour? Or is it a whole different balancing/very different mechanics?
>>22403355
Those numbers make me hard as diamonds. Is there a level cap in Elona+? Or a cap to mana/Life? What does each level give? Because i'd also be fine with 2k stats and a single BILLION stat like mana or health.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22403549
I think level is uncapped in E+, which means HP and MP are as well (though their multipliers, Life and Mana, are capped to 2000 each like every attribute).

As far as randart values, I have absolutely no clue. Unlike Omake's smithing there is a cap on the amount of bonuses you can tack on to an existing artifact in E+'s fusion.
Random artifacts seem to be generated better as you get to higher levels, but I don't know if that applies to their random bonuses or just their material and type (which you can change yourself).

[Anonymous No.]

>>22403549
In plus generated enchants are capped at 550, but you'll not see that often. This can stack with innate enchants, so in theory you can get soxs with 800 nerve damage, then another 550 on top. Living weapons can get another +2k to +3k depending on your tolerance for it sucking your blood. But, I don't think it's possible to get more than that, even if you are super lucky.

Life/mana are capped at 1000, hp/mp are capped at 20M. I don't know if there's a lvl cap in plus, but the I've seen kai hit around 10k and I have a 3k snail myself. Feats don't scale in plus, and ether diseases cap at 255.

Custom adds a few QoL of life changes like bashing all the fruits out of trees, or being able to mass-harvest farm plots with a house sign. But aside from custom pet AI and translation it doesn't really change much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22403620
This anon says HP/MP have 20M cap, is it period or do infinite levels necessarly mean infinite stats?
>>22403628
Custom seems very worth it, i'll get it.

Thanks again guys, and sorry for all the autism, you are very kind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22404152
He's probably right, I've never gotten into that realm so I'm just going by memory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22404152
Oh, there is one thing you should look out for. In plus 1.90 there is an exp bug that makes you get 10x xp when killing weaker npcs (they're suppose to give .01x). You'll get to a point where every other kill gives you a level, once you start diving into the void. The latest g fixes this, otherwise stay on 1.89, or go with plus 1.93 without custom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22403205
>That's actually mostly why Elona+ Custom exists; it re-enables cutscenes that are normally disabled by playing in English, translates a ton of stuff, and gives at bare minimum a machine translation to everything instead of "This is untranslated"
You're mixing up Custom and Custom-G a little there. Custom never used machine translations, although it did backport some of Glyphy's writing.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there an E+ version/mod that just leaves alone anything that hasn't been translated yet?
I can read some Japanese but inventory management, reading job bulletin boards, etc just slows down gameplay too much. So ideally I'd play in English, but I'd still rather read any untranslated text in Japanese instead of some shitty machine translation or a blank placeholder.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the ideal hybrid race for a Warmage? I want to mix melee and magic.
I've played Yerles and Elea warmage in earlier versions so far. Is there any race that goes better with that playstyle? And no fairy meme pls.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there currently any working in-game chat servers?

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>>22405401
I like playing as a Golem, but then again I'm a Golem addict.
Your mana kinda sucks, but your life means you can melee easily and not completely rely on spells. More importantly, you're immune to Dim, which fucks up spellcasting when you're afflicted with it.

>>22405978
Nope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22406198
Damn.

[Anonymous No.]

Came back after a bit more than a year of break.
Was early game always this hard? Granted I play an elea warmage with 30 HP, but everything is killing me in 2 hits, died like 3 times from level 1-5. Even puppy cave level 1 is a risk, and that's with little girl tanking.

Also this thirst mechanic is dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22406616
The very earliest levels have always been a bit of a crapshoot. That hasn't really changed.
Also, you're not alone in that thought on thirst, hence why a lot of people use CustomG to remove it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22406631
The newest version adds some useful stuff though like spell learning points on level up. Too bad E+C and E+CG aren't updated yet, but I prefer playing the newest one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22406631
The boar child is pretty bs for anyone new or starting from the vanilla version, to be honest.

[Anonymous No.]

is there an easy way of addin my custom sprites to the base game sprites?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22408932
Yes
If you want to replace the sprite for all of a certain npc type, open up graphic\character.bmp and edit the one you want to change. You don't have to do anything in-game.
If you want to replace the sprite for one or a few existing character(s), make the sprite and save it as Pic_#.bmp where # is some number (up to 32? I forget), then put that in user\graphic\. Alternatively, the empty slots in character.bmp can be used as well, akin to the first method, but anything in the user folder takes priority over the character.bmp slot. Then, in-game, (i)nteract with your target and select Shape Change, then pick your sprite from the list.

Make sure everything is saved as a .bmp and, if using GIMP, make sure to set it to not write color space information when exporting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22408981
Oh, one more thing: pics 1-16 are for normal sprites and 17-32 are for the 2x height sprites.

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>>22408981
wait. so I don't have to edit character.bmp? nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>22393404
I remember seeing a random name expansion mod in the discord.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22409009
If you just want to change select NPCs and not every instance of a sprite, nope. It makes it way easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>come back after a year of break
>hear music in Vernis and Palmia
I'm... home.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22409515
I know that feel.
The music from the RPG and Wild Arms packs do the same to me.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys do when you meet a strong ranged enemy and it hits you hard, like a third of your health per turn?
Trying to kill him faster than he kills me is a huge risk.
If I teleport randomly, I might teleport into his range and get killed next turn.
If I heal, I might heal for less than the damage he does per turn and die in a few turns anyway.

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>>22410118
Mist of darkness?

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>>22410118
Retreat and gear up better. Especially get better healing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22410118
Teleport (not minor) then Escape.
If you can't even risk one turn of teleport, you're somewhere you shouldn't be.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm getting some conflicting info about dying. The wiki says that most of the items will be on the corpse. Do some of them actually get destroyed? Can you lose unique stuff like god gifts like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22411327
Some of your items (including the one that you equipped) will be forcibly dropped upon dying. If you dropped them on a randomly generated map (overworld, quests, some dungeons) they're pretty much a lost cause.

[Anonymous No.]

Precious items (god gifts included) can be recovered through the little sister quest at cyber dome though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22411431
If they are dropped in a non-randomly changing dungeon will all the dropped items be recoverable? In other words, if I can find some of the items is it guaranteed that everything will be there?

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>>22411444
Yes, unless they get burned or shattered. But that isn't directly caused by death.

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell is 'test world?'

[Anonymous No.]

>>22413644

Exactly what it says on the tin. Kinda like how s tyris works, other continents can be traveled too. At various points vanilla, oomsest, and plus have all had test worlds, some you could go to some you couldn't. But dungeons and events happen in these places all the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22413666
That's kinda cool.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you develop the dungeon deed town in oomsest? Just hire a maid and wait for the people to flocks in like a ranch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22414091
Maid is for events. People are found randomly through dungeons. First your grab citizens, then you can slowly get services likes shopkeepers.

[Anonymous No.]

America.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22414347
So the town npcs will start appearing on random dungeons after you build yours and you can talk to them to recruit them?

[Anonymous No.]

So, where do you download older versions of Elona/Elona+ now that bloodyshade is dead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22416116
You pray that someone had the foresight to archive his stuff. They'd also have to step forward to put it up for download ...

[Anonymous No.]

>have a million spells and special abilities
>just spam magic missile since every enemy dies in one hit
Do later dungeons get hard enough that buffs/debuffs become a must?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22416259
Debuffs are always optional. Buffs and piercing are more reliable.

[Anonymous No.]

The wiki is lying. Apparently you now lose charisma even if you die in the arena.
Fuck's sake, I'll just savescum every time from now on. There should be a game mode for normal rules except no permanent death penalties.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22416854
A point of charisma is scarcely anything.
Maybe if it knocked Life or something I'd see cause for concern, but that's what, two Invests?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22415923
Yes. You'll have a hard time recruiting them at first, I think you need high fame to increase your success rate.

>>22416854
Ano changed it around the .60 or .70 range I think, to stop people from suiciding to cure sick status and stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

I accidentally overwrote Kumiromi's Altar in the Truce Grounds.

Please tell me there is another altar that is easily accessible. Or am I fucked and have to pray for RNG in dungeons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22417325

Can't you just reset the Truce Grounds?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22417325
It's time to let RNGesus take the wheel.

Amur-cage in act 3 has an altar, which *should* be kumiromi's, its his god-servant after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22417346
How do you reset?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22417355

https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Cheating#Resetting_a_town_or_level

[Anonymous No.]

>>22417356
Holy shit it worked.

Thank you, based friend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22417366
Just a word of advice: never use that reset on a town.
It re-generates all the NPCs, but does not make that clear to the rest of the game. As a result other cities will generate jobs that ask you to speak to citizens that no longer exist.

[Anonymous No.]

Weird, I have this weird bug in omake where scrolls of recharge drain your PC's rod refill charges instead. I even managed to go -100 charges with it, damn.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have a save ready to try and reach South Tyiris with a mutant level 1 to gain the fabled 27 additional slots?
Otherwise, what is the bare minimum of preparations required to achieve this goal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22419905
make another character , inherit a gold bell , put some good ranged weapon on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>22419944
I guess i'll need some items to block exp though, what are the easiest one to obtain for a low level character?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22420007
All the exp block enchants are RNG only. You can stay up along time to enter !!need sleep!! status, which sets your xp to 0, but you'll need to be careful you don't fall asleep randomly.

You'll also need to get a deed of inheritance on the new character to get your bell or other gear you send to your other character if you go the gene route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22420084
Do you mean that there's also a way to make it without creating a gene character with inheritance?
Can i, technically, stay awake overtime to constantly reset character level exp until i can find an "impairs growth" artifact, while i farm gold and grind my Little girls and other Pets levels to do my bidding?
Or is it literally impossible without inheriting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22420159
It multiplies your gained xp by 0, it doesn't set it to 0. But, it might be possible? You'd want to collect all the hidden small medals in each town and buy a rod of domination from mirial and garok's workshop. Then use that on a gold/silver bell. Then just work on getting that bell powered up to fight through to zeome. Maybe hire an adventurer if you get the money.

So, it *might* be doable without a new game +.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22420225
>Multiply xp by 0
Are you referring to the sleep debuff or to the impaired growth attribute?
Otherwise the plan sounds possible, even if very rng dependant and requiring an insane grind and playing it safe.

I mean, to get all possible equip slots i still have to do this ordeal right? i know they have allowed you to choose what slots you want from the doctor now, but i guess the limit on mutants is still there unless you get there while below level 3, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22420305
Sleep debuff is * 0. The impaired growth just lowers xp, it has a minimum cap though, so you'll still get some no matter how strong the enchant.

This is the only way to get all the slots. Gavela will only give you new slots until you have 15. But the mutant race feat will give you +12 no matter what you started with.

Also, once you have 13 limbs, every new limb gives you a permanent -5% speed. Plus caps this at, I think, -40%. So you'll need to rely on the riding skill or just be half the speed. This is applied after buffs, feats, and gear.

[Anonymous No.]

Playing Elona+. I've worshipped and gotten the rewards for Ehekatl and Jure. Who next?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22420925
Yacatect. Get that jewel of free plat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22420969
Aight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22420925
I usually rush Yacatect first by spamming puppy cave for accessories (all that pocket money and golden goose adds up).
This usually gives enough rods to instantly do Itzpatl too for the passive elemental damage bonus and the staff. Itzpatl is not a priority, but
Then Kumiromi so I can start farming herbs. If I'm lucky I also got Rachel's books while farming the puppy cave, making gardening all that much easier.
Ehekatl next because I usually buy fishing as one of my last skills.
Then whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22421074
Oops, forgot to finish that sentence. Itzpatl is not a priority, but usually you get enough rods to do him too at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22420925
>Who next?
Just get every pet and reward from them

[Anonymous No.]

>just wants to stay and farm
>but Etherwind forces me to give up on that and find a cure
I didn't choose to adventure

[Anonymous No.]

>mad scientist joins me
>tenfold of my fucking stat
what the fuck
I just got god with me

[Anonymous No.]

Early game,should all my pets be little sisters or yowin horses? talking about 10+ pets here with little equips or no weapons at all

[Anonymous No.]

is there a better way to enter bonus to skill points? I followed that anon's guide on how to exploit the wishing well and now I have 19301 skill points and there is no fucking way I am going to comatose my finger pressing this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>22424553

Assuming plus/omake, nurses are pretty good. They'll keep everyone healed, and come with some built-in equps. Otherwise little sisters are pretty good.


>>22424750

....how? That's 4000 level ups worth. Anyway, regardless of how you got them, you can just hold down enter. You don't need to press it one at a time. Setting wait1 and alert_wait to 0 in the config.txt will speed this up a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22424750
You might as well just cheat the stats in with elosnack at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22424998
*implying he didn't*

Unless he's using purge mode or something, making 4000 wishing well wishes would take forever. By the time he reached 2000, 1/2000 of them would fail, so he'd need to reload millions of times to pull this off.

[Anonymous No.]

Is death ehekatl on omake overhaul EN? is there any reason i should play south tyris omake at all? all i heard from here are dummy dungeons fill the map on ST

[Anonymous No.]

>>22425075

I belive death ehekatl was introduced some time after OO stop developent, so she shouldn't be in OOEN.

OOMSEST adds a lot of things beyond it's attempt at ST. It's actually built off of around 3-4 mod projects, oor, modify sutuku, maybe a few others. They've also been tweaking things and pulling in a few other changes made by other mods like MMAh or ELM. Most of this is tiny things, like the ability to marry anyone even sheena, dialogue pop ups, upgraded wandering venders, letting ranged weapons work with absolute pierce enchant, etc. If you like those kinds of quality of life upgrades it's worth switching over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22425097
Ahhh that changes perspectives yes,thank you for the response anon

[Anonymous No.]

I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE THIS ANYMORE
I CAN KILL ANYTHING
ANYTHING
I'VE BEEN PLAYING ON THIS SHIT FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS AND OF ALL THE FUCKING THINGS THAT I HAVE TO JOBBED TO

ITS THE FUCKING SHEEP

A FUCKING SHEEP

[Anonymous No.]

>>22425502
its okay anon,i sometimes die to hunger or traps while distracted

[Anonymous No.]

>>22425502

https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Sheep_NPCs

We talking a nightmare sheep or a stray sheep? Now stray sheep can put you to sleep on contact, so I could see it killing a new character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22425502
Some of the new early game mobs are downright unbalanced for new players in plus. Get a grenade or a repeating crossbow, they're almost like a cheat for the early stages.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to edit the "background" (those 4 random lines you can reroll at character creation in Elona+)? With Elosnack i can easily modify my Alias, but how or where can i modify my background?
Also a newbie question: are there feats that can only be obtained at char creation and never again? Or can a character eventually get them all trough other means like that "secret of something" that gives you one for each ten levels? (And since levels are infinite you should get them all)

[Anonymous No.]

>>22426897

You can change your backstory in game at the memory palace in act 2, but I don't know anything about elosnack.

You can get everything yeah, except the race feats. You can even change your class feat with a business card, provided you type in the class name lowercase with no typos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22426906
Will it allow to write your own lines, select specific lines or does it only allow to reroll again?
Thanks for the useful info, i wonder what class feature is all-around the best, i started as a pianist for i am better suited for city life rather than bashing monsters in the head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22426921
Personally I think the thief class feat is the best by far, just the fact that it ALWAYS triggers would make it the best, but on top of that the effect is a 100% critical hit chance if the enemy didn't detect you, this thing borders on broken compared to the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22426921
If you ever plan on casting spells in combat, even as a melee/caster hybrid or pure caster, Warmage by far.

[Anonymous No.]

If I want to start, should I get Elona+ (Stable: 1.92) or Elona+ Custom-G (Stable: 1.90.4.1)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427130
If you're planning to play in English, then play either Custom or Custom-G.
Elona+ without Custom misses most of the story scenes. The developer didn't bother to translate most of the game, and untranslated cutscenes and dialogues are literally just not displayed.

1.93 has some nice additions like bonus spell points, but if you're not going to play in Japanese it's really not worth missing all the story for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427164
I see, thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to kill the two tutorial dudes (Lomias and Larneire) for their gear, but i'd also like to eventually recruit them with Domination/Monster Ball/Astral Pen.
Will they (or any story/quest/one-time unique npc) respawn in Party time quests with their gear? Or can i resurrect them later on with resurrection? Or can i wish them (or ant monster) back?
Gotta catch'em all lads, my collection must grow and i'd hate to miss out on some NPCs because of "durp they die in the story at one point/never appear again" or because of my greed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427190
They show up in party time and the void, all. the. time. with full gear and all.

[Anonymous No.]

I'd like to play Custom-G for its translations, but will i be able to updaye my save once the 1.92 version comes out? Or are old saves stuck every time a new E+ version comes out?
The only thing i'll miss is the thirst mechanic for roleplaying purposes, but i guess only Custom-G has 100% translated content, while Custom has the "sorry, not translated" boxes and Plus straight out skips untranslated scenes and boxes, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427233
Very nice, can Party Time and the void spawn every NPC (unique, friendly, story only and whatnot) period? Or are there some that are "get now or never again"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427190
Plot-dead NPCs like the King of Palmia will eventually be found in a special location in Act III.
Obviously this is very far down the road, so if you want their figure/card/to light-pen them, you'll probably want to do that before the plot kills them.

Some killed bosses (like the chaos fort bosses) are not found in this place, but may be found in the Void randomly, if you want to use an astral pen on them later.
I think the sole exception to this is the minotaur king; he never shows up in the void once you finish Act 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427327
I didn't play Custom-G, but it says it has plenty of machine translated or shoddy translations of stuff that's not yet in Custom.
If you want the thirst mechanic, you can just play Custom. I don't know why would you want it, though, it doesn't add much. Just get a mixer and blend down all the fruits/veggies that rot in your inventory and you'll have nearly infinite stuff to drink. Also, the game already has a hunger mechanic for your roleplaying purposes.

And yeah, you can keep your save when the game gets updated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427327

G still has some untranslated content, but it does much better than custom or plus.

You should be able to move your saves forward in versions just fine. It's been the case so far and my 1.90 custom save worked when I tested it on 1.92 plus. However, there's no one working on the mods, custom and g are currently abandoned. Plus is already on version 1.93.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys ever go to towns like Derby or even Port Kapul, or just do the Vernis-Yowyn-Palmia triangle over and over like I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427399
I go wherever the jobs take me, barring an errand for something like the spellbook vendor or the dwarves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427388
I'm in no rush (i can wait act 3 and more), i just want to avoid starting all over again because i missed on an NPC and can never get him back.
So the only "get now or never" is the Minotaur King? I doubt there's an official list, but i'd rather know beforehand what items/npcs/monsters i should get before they are gone forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427390
>>22427397
Thanks dudes. Could it be a good idea to play Custom-G until i'm done with all story content (how do i realize when i'm done with every cutscene/dialogue/story quests?), then switch to raw E+?
This way i'd not be stuck on a dead mod, but at the same time i could enjoy the story. Is there some hope that E+ will one day include more/better translations though? Or has it historically always ignored the english side of things?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427438
>So the only "get now or never" is the Minotaur King?
Well, as far as I can tell, yes.
Bosses that don't show up in the special location can randomly spawn as bosses in the void. Some bosses even show up in both!
However, the minotaur king stops spawning in the void once you clear Act I; unlike the other Act-I-only void bosses, that's the only place the minotaur king appears after you kill him in his side quest.

Keep in mind that the only way to "tame" boss monsters is through exceptionally rare Astral Light Pen items, and that until earning the Discarded Ranch deed in Act II your ability to "store" pets is very limited.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427452
>Is there some hope that E+ will one day include more/better translations though?
Besides the intro and a few dialogues that sends you to the main story dungeon, every cutscene (about 95% of the story) is still entirely skipped in vanilla E+. I really wouldn't count on it.

As far as I know Custom is compatible with vanilla E+, so you can use your savegame in the newest version if you want to. Custom isn't that outdated, though, that it should be a major concern for you that you're missing content from the newest version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427467
Can i just skip his sidequest, finish act 1 and then go back and pen him?
Also i tought pens were used to catch friendly NPCs, while Monster balls and Domination were used for hostiles, but maybe i got them mixed up.
So i guess Slan and all the other "deliver message then die" guys will be able to be found again in that Act3 zone, that's a huge relief, thanks for the answers and sorry for the raw autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427515
>Can i just skip his sidequest, finish act 1 and then go back and pen him?
Yep.

>Also i tought pens were used to catch friendly NPCs, while Monster balls and Domination were used for hostiles, but maybe i got them mixed up.
Pens are for anything that's not a normal enemy, because they create a duplicate of the target and make that your ally instead. If it's a <boss>, or NPC, or would otherwise possibly screw something up if it were to just vanish, you have to use a pen.

>So i guess Slan and all the other "deliver message then die" guys will be able to be found again in that Act3 zone
Yep, but that's also why I ruthlessly murder each of them the first time I meet them. For their figures, specifically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427545
So i can make hostile NPCs soulmates? Do they even accept gifts? It'd be fun to survive turn after turn of gifting while tanking dangerous as fuck bosses until they become soulmates with you. Do you just try blindly to see if they got to soulmate, since you can't speak to them like a friendly npc?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22427949
Yes you can, though it won't stop them from attacking you. They accept any gift-like items, though whether it works depends on their (invisible) impression, and yeah, you can't see it.
Throwing love potions at them works wonders, especially at lower impress. Once they get to higher ranks, although you have to test to see if they're there, you can hand them better gifts like tokens of friendship.

[Anonymous No.]

gotta love these

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428081
I gave up on those damned things. Too tedious for me.

[Anonymous No.]

According to this page:
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Food
Alraunia "improves Charisma and Learning by a large amount (1000+) and increases their potential, as well as all other attributes by a small amount (10)"

What does this actually mean? I thought that getting 1000 points would translate to gaining 1 in that attribute on the character sheet, but that clearly isn't the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>start a new run
>immediately gets raped by lolis
good start

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a better caster offhand than Shield Tonfa in the north (first chapter)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428527
It is 1000 = 1 level up, but as you get a higher skill/attribute level you gain less xp. I think it's xp/(1+lvl/10) so at lvl 10 you get half xp. I might have the numbers wrong, but that's the idea. of Plus capped this effect at lvl 300, so xp flatlnes at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428551
what the assfuck is wrong with your text

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428657
I have no fucking idea. It looked fine when I screenshot it. Probably got fucked when saving and uploading it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428664
I was worried you played like that, so I'm glad you don't. Be safe anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428666
Y-you too

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428676

[Anonymous No.]

Going to try and emulate Elona on an android software. Will post results.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys do with fruits, veggies and meat that you harvest in large amounts?
Because of the different enchantment value it doesn't stack at all, so I can't even dump most of them into my fridge and it just rots on me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428693
Cook it. Sell it. Maybe keep the highest enchant values to eat for xp and speed potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428693
Cook it and dump it whatever Kumiromi doesn't want in my store.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428692
The last attempt that was made couldn't move properly. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>tasked with clearing the monsters around the town
>kill a bunch of low level enemies
>read some spellbooks after finishing the hunt
>oops, summoned a dragon
>just leave it there and get back to town
I hope they don't mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428774
Dragons are proud , strong and smart creatures, they don't go around crushing cities for no reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428693
I like to stack the +10 foods in the 4-dimension pocket and sell the rest. I plan to sell everything once I get full herb diet going.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a legit way to learn pounding out (organ harvesting special action) in oomsest?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22430541
Yes it's the title reward for fusing 5 people with alchemy in the fusion pot "mincemeat alchemist".It's a reference to full metal alchemist.

Just collect the needed body parts and fuse them together. They have to be from the same critter, you can see what you need in the fusion pot, testing pot, etc. You only need to do it 5 times, but you should probably save up and do it all at once. The karma penalty is pretty high.

I'd normally recommend fighting bubbles, but if by legit you mean no bubbling then you can also just rush dungeons. Or collect gwen parts, she respawns all the time anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22430570
Ah, thanks. I thought I have to level anatomy to get that before. So performing the transmutation on non-humans still incur the karma penalty then?
I just want an easy way to clone the king before his assasination for RP purposes at first, but turns out that it's easier to savescum his parts and spam resurrections instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22430665
You always get the karma penalty, no avoiding it.

The only other way to clone someone is once you earn he Ragnarok title, then you can just gerobug them. But, that's a ways off.

[Anonymous No.]

*Record scratch* *Freeze frame*
Yeah, you're probably wondering how I got myself into this situation.

[Anonymous No.]

I like everyone!

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428617
I wonder if it's any use munching herbs at high levels then. Would have to eat about 30 for one attribute stat gain according to that. Extremely tidious.

[Anonymous No.]

First time ever killing Zeome and stepping into South Tyris. Was a gunner (54 firearm 63 marskman) with a laser pistol I changed material'd to adamantium.
Am I supposed to now collect AP to increase my speed so I can stop having to ride the Kaneda bike? Also will probably switch to martial arts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22433264
You can just get a better mount like lityou or the xeren tank.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22433233

Plus herbed-in food gives +2000 (for pcs) to ever stat, with say 200% potential is 4000. Now, your learn stat can increase xp by up to 5x which you'll reach fairly soon-ish, so that's up to 20,000xp per herb. Even dividing by 30, you still get a stat every few herbs. It's not as bad as it seems, but back in vanilla, even long running endgame characters would have trouble getting more than a few hundred in any stat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22432998
kek

[Anonymous No.]

How do you like your Gwen meat? I prefer it with onions sauce.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22428081
Took me two minutes, come on anon.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I cope without save scumming? It's been how I played since 2008, now that dirty nip cunt Ano has taken it away from me and custom is no longer updated. How do I cope?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22434219
Try not dying. Savescum only if you die. You shouldn't need it more than once a day or two, then the rare timer will be up.
Savescumming for RNG is for losers.

[Anonymous No.]

I know stats in E+ have a soft cap of 2000, but there's no hard cap (so equip and buffs should allow you to go over that right? Or do you not gain any effect over 2k and anything over that is just a number with no gameplay value?)
My question is: do mutations like the Ether Disease wich gives hooves (Speed of 20 + Lv / 2 , cannot wear boots) technically mean that you can increase your speed over that 2k ad infinitum as long as you keep levelling your character? Or does lvl here mean the lvl of the corruption?
Also can a character wirhout boots slot gain a mutation which precludes that slot like hooves?

[Anonymous No.]

How many items i can store in total between containers and house floors?
I know the heir trunk can in theory store everything the parent had in his inventory (so even hundreds or thousands of items before dying crushed), but since i love collecting randarts i sure hope i can literally store thousands of them, or am i gonna run out of room eventually?
Otherwise a way to increase carrying capacity inifinitely (maybe an ever-increasing strenght by ether-disease-like scaling?) will do, but does it even exist? Or an infinite space storage container?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to port an elona+cg 1.9 to elona+ 1.93?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22434312
>so equip and buffs should allow you to go over that right?
Correct. That cap is only for your "base" level.

The mutations cap at like +255, so it's more of a technical limitation.
I still keep some for RP reasons, but that's just me.

>Also can a character wirhout boots slot gain a mutation which precludes that slot like hooves?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

I keep playing sister/fairy prostitute to gain gold in omake,how does idol singing and pianist fare in early game money making? the karma penalties by whoring out are stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>22434312

With boosted spells, god weapon stat sticks, god buffs, and other buffs like clear mind, boost, and lulwy's trick, it's possible to get 4k-6k stats. But this is post-post-game territory when you've capped everything and kill lvl 11110 challenge quest npcs for fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>invest in furniture vendors
>nothing good for months
>then 2 happy beds drop in a single level 5 random dungeon
T-thanks, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22435790
Do you mean etherwind diseases or normal mutations having this 255 cap?
Is there a PC level cap? Because otherwise i guess it could go even higher

[Anonymous No.]

>>22436062
Ether diseases. Normal mutations don't get anywhere close to that.
You can raise your level as high as you like, the bonus won't go over 255.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22435825
worse early better later

[Anonymous No.]

>>22436116
Too bad, i need to go infinite in SOMETHING, but i guess there's an effective cap in every stat, is it? Even HP and Mana cap at 20M, i guess only money and platinum can effectively reach overflow

[Anonymous No.]

>>22436244
only our autism can reach infinity

[Anonymous No.]

>>22435825
You can do fetch quest/deliveries as usual to take care of your gold and karma problems. Idols are the extreme version of bards (basically tourists with performance instead of fishing and massive base charisma) that can perform without instruments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22436244
If you really want to just raise a stat to pointlessly high, you could raise dungeon level. It doesn't do much past ~7k, but it's a goal.

[Anonymous No.]

What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22436779
It's a little sister tree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvkbeFq16pg

[Anonymous No.]

>>22384204
>be /g/ fag
>can run 2hu no problems
>this game wont even start

[Anonymous No.]

>>22436779
>fruits

[Anonymous No.]

>>22436957
Lunix?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22436979
yah
Touhou works with no problems on Proton 3.7 but Elona returns a error in notepad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22437024
This works for me:

https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Biting_Chicken/Running_Elona_via_Wine

[Anonymous No.]

>>22437033
It turns out the download was bad. I got vanilla running. Should I install Omake now or later?

[Anonymous No.]

>Loss mode
>Fear death above all else, especially since i autistically rerolled a good Alias/Background
>Actually avoid all conflict/ambushes and play the market
>Selling garbage/fruits/herbs at first
>Performing on the side, avoided being stoned to death by miracle
>Finally buying a small farm
>Harvest_moon_comfy.exe
>Making modest but reliable dosh
>Investing into shops
>Using my gains to buy rods, scrolls and potions
>I now literally fight only with pets + rods and consumables
Is this what it feels like to be a cowardly merchant? Because i love it, and the risk of permadeath makes it all even more worthwile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22423847
How? Every time he joins his stats barely reach 20

[Anonymous No.]

>>22437075

Omake makes things a lot more fun to play, so if you want the vanilla experience it'd probably be better to do it first. It can be painful to go back.

Saves should be mostly compatible throughout vanilla and the omake line of mods, especially starting from vanilla. So you can just add mods whenever you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22437111
>try to do cargo merching
>bandits every 3 steps
nope i will stick with whoring

[Anonymous No.]

tfw I want to pick up elona+ again but don't feel like going through all of the early game.

It takes forever

[Anonymous No.]

>>22437216
>Whoring
>Not spending money on whores instead
If you keep this up you might catch AIDS from bandits.
My based rod of teleportation was worth every single penny to escape bandits. Do rods vanish once the last charge is used? I've bought 5 scrolls of recharge just in case, but still.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22437375
It's actually a lot quicker now because plus amped up growth a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22437380
Nah, they stick around even with 0 charges.

[Anonymous No.]

Any workarounds to carry the nuke to palmia? a fairy cant really do it early game

can you change its material or give it to a pet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22437762
Yes, you can have one of your pet to carry it (providing that they have enough STR to haul it). Pets only refuse to carry furnitures and "junk" items.

[Anonymous No.]

gg/PcerX6r

NO RULES

POST ANYTHING YOU WANT

yes american mummy please smother me

[Anonymous No.]

>house on next tile from farm
>harvest
>move a single tile on the world map so I can put them into the fridge
>leccho has gone rotten
is this a meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>22438734
Lecchos rot faster than anything else, in a whopping two hours. Unless you boost your speed that's not terribly unusual.

[Anonymous No.]

I just keep feeling bad for betraying Yacatect and switching to other gods. She still keeps giving pocket money even after I turned away from her. Big sis still considers you a family even after that.

[Anonymous No.]

Where is the character named "New citizen" supposed to appear in Kurualm? I've completed the related quest and can see her in party time quests, but can't find her in Kurualm.

I'd just want to say hi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22439019
She's on the far left dock, just right of the mercenaries ship you use to go on the pirate quest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22439320
Hmmm, interesting. Doesn't appear for me there. Still keeps appearing in party rooms.

I'm still in act 2 if that matters. Maybe I have to wait more?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22439541
Maybe. That character has already beat enthumesis, and there is another scene involving the ninjas in act 3.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh god i'm getting addicted to making money in this game. I've played for 3 days this game only, and i'm still level 5. Roguelike my ass, this is Recettear tier of addiction.

[Anonymous No.]

I inherited 5 platinum pieces and found two more randomly, how come my journal says "total platinum: 0"?
Also wjat's the "defeat" stat under karma? Is it when you have no god yet? It was 3 when i first noticed and now it's 4

[Anonymous No.]

>>22441634
"Defeat" is the highest level of enemy that you have personally killed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22441661
Uh, so do i use the cursor or something once faith covers that stat in my sheet?
Also any idea about why total platinum is still 0?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22441745
>Uh, so do i use the cursor or something once faith covers that stat in my sheet?
I don't follow.
Total platinum might be just from jobs? Or the amount spent, not sure.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>22442069
And that's why my first purchase is always some cheap wings for my ally.
Wells are the #1 killer in North Tyris.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22442069
What the heck? I didn't know your pets could fall inside the wells.

[Anonymous No.]

>read diary of a girl
>haughty ojou-sama falls from the sky and joins me

neat

[Anonymous No.]

What should my Charisma/Performer levels looks like before I consider party quests?

[Anonymous No.]

I got a fucking wishing prompt because my little girl drank from a fountain. I'm a level 13 wizard, what do I roll with?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22442124

Cha: any Perf: 20-40. If you're in plus you can use feather hats for a bonus.

>>22442151

Gamma shift core

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>>22442221
>Gamma shift core
Too late, got seven league boots instead.

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I have some vague recollection of playing some version of Elona where I remember staying underleveled to avoid paying those pesky taxes that get you negative karma if you don't pay them.
Then I remember the management of paying those taxes and the free time to acquire the money and surviving was getting annoying so I quit.
Is this accurate with any particular version? Or am I misremembering and screwed up pretty bad when I played in the past?

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>>22442412
You don't pay taxes up to level 5 or so.
But I really, really wouldn't keep myself underleveled just for that.
You pay taxes after your estates and your current money. If you're poor, your taxes will be very little too. It's really not a big deal, taxes are only a problem if you want to stockpile a lot of money for some reason. If you get above 200k+ and don't want to buy any estates then just invest into vendors.

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>>22442447
>taxes are only a problem if you want to stockpile a lot of money for some reason
Usually in a game where I know nothing my instinct is to hoard stuff and to save things for later until I fully identify what to do with everything, including money. I must have been stuck with some loop where I had to find stuff to sell to upkeep what I already had over and over. I guess I'll have to be more dynamic with money and spend it on stuff other than home.

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>>22442476
No way that happened. As I said, your taxes are a small percentage of your current money. You shouldn't have to grind for it.

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>>22442482
You also mentioned estates though. And after researching into it just now, my only guess is that the money I had to pay each month, I must have spent it on something every time after the bill came without realizing. Or at least a big portion of it. Then when I realized what I had to pay and that I didn't had enough, I'd have to go do stuff specifically for that value on the bill to avoid negative karma.

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>>22442518
If you got enough money together to buy several buildings likes a good home, farms, storages, etc. then you shouldn't have much of a problem getting money for taxes, though.
If taxes really became an issue for you then you must have farmed a lot of money first, spent it on estates then completely stopped farming money.

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>>22442518
You'd need to not pay for 3 bills at once to get in trouble. Back in vanilla a lot of people paniced about taxes, but its never been a big deal. People just hate tax. Tax, at least in omake/plus, is caped after a certain amount. You still have to pay salary if you hire employees, and maintenance on buildings, but you can get rid of those.

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Also taxes are once a month while you get paid twice a month.

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>>22442611
Yknow how they always say that naughty kids get coal for christmas?
In Irva that tradition is shit on your birthday. Happens more often than you'd think.

[Anonymous No.]

Noticed something, closing Elona+cg seems to deactivate (or activate if it wasn't activated) the num lock, is that supposed to happen? Does it deactivate the lock when I start the game so that I can use the numpad for movement and tab change?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22442965
Elona always attempts to disable numlock on startup. This is because it's looking for Home/End/etc for movement keys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22442965
>>22443053
Also it's only on startup. Once you're at the title screen and it turns it off it stops trying to mess with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>Start with 50 charisma
>Buy 8 wild horses as pets
>Now raising faith so i can get golden knight and give her the nuke
>So i can bash and whore myself out without penalty
Any plans past that seem dark,i have the feats which prevent me from attacking,No magic talent and getting a bell captured without knockout seems impossible

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>>22442965
There should be a setting to disable that if you want it.

>>22443157

Rod of domination. You can buy one from mirial if you collect the small medals that are hidden in towns.

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>>22443190
Isnt it like,100 coins? i forgot honestly,i just hope bells know how to use bows in omake without custom ai

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>>22443295
20 medals, comes with 4 charges.

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>>22443302
oh,perfect,that means i will eventually have a swarm of shuriken bells killing everything

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>>22442486
kek

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What happens if I read a cursed little sister's diary?

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I now have a little girl, a young girl, and a little sister in my party.

My alias is Old Brother

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>>22445497
You will learn all of her dirty secrets

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>Be gene engineering
>accidentally use up the pet i was pumping up
>game auto saves
FUCK

[Anonymous No.]

>saw deed of cozy house all over when I couldn't afford it
>now that I can it's nowhere to be found
sasuga rng

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>>22446750
Set them as precious so that can't happen.

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>>22446852
Literally me with deed of Palace.
When i was level 1 the store sold fucking bundles of 5, now that i got those 2M by constant commerce it's nowhere to be found. I just want to live in luxury with a couple slaves damnit.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm hoarding scrolls of wonder in the hope of gaining Wish stocks and investing points into the spell in hopes of being able to cast it. Is it too much of a gamble? Or are they better sold instead?
How many levels in MAG/Casting/Wish do i need in total to be able to cast it and not waste the stocks? Does PC level play a role at all?

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>>22447245
Stock cost reduction caps at spell level 300 in plus. You'll need a ~1200 casting to be able to overpower the wish -chance penalty.

Scrolls of wonder are great for keeping all your spell stocks up, read them even if you don't go the wish route.

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>>22447286
I will, does blessing them improve the odds or the quantity of stocks?
Also noob question, but can i recharge a book? If not i guess i could feed my magics with literally just scrolls of wonder.

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>>22447348

Scrolls of recharge can recharge books. If you're playing E+, Draw Charge and Fill Charge will also work on books.

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>>22447348
Blessing or cursing just changes reading difficulty of books. For scrolls of wonder, always bless, it doubles the stock gain. Cursed wonder scrolls kill one of your spells, never read it.

As for recharging, I'm not sure if you can recharge wish books. I know you can't recharge wish rods. Otherwise, you can recharge spell books.

[Anonymous No.]

>-60 karma in OO,go to noyel to buy a indulgence expecting to cost an arm and leg like in plus
>only 30,000 gold
Pleasant surprise i admit

[Anonymous No.]

Harems are peak wizardry.

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>>22447428
>>22447475
Thank you anons, sorcery sounds much more appealing if spellbooks can be recharged. Being a jew i have much money and scrolls of recharge handy to learn all the wizardry required.
Speaking of which, i acquired a textbook of Casting, and i used my one and only wish for a happy bed, and now i've entered this loop that i read, get bored and sleepy, sleep, rinse and repeat for insane gains from dreams and emall but constant ones to Casting. Is it normal?

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>>22447124
Welp, finally got my palace deed.
What's the most convenient place to settle in? I can't reach South Tyris yet. Maybe just near Palmia? I'd love to have many services, shops and the embassy nearby, but maybe there are even better places in the north?

[Anonymous No.]

Can i get god pet gifts more than once?
I'd like both a male and female android pet, if this can't be done can i just copy it with an astral pen and them change the sex of the copy by giving it forbidden meat?

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>>22448105
You can get new pets each time you re-worship them. But if you want to copy them, ranching also works.

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>>22447722
I always set up in the forest northwest of Palmia/west of the embassy.
It's central, convenient, and cozy. Plus my autism demands that I set up my shop(s) next to the roads.

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>>22447722
I like this place. You can easily do quest runs around the 3 best towns.

[Anonymous No.]

What a terrible introductory pastebin
You need to say what the fuck it actually is and not whether you want to play or not and where.
A short intro(What is it? How does it work? What do you do? would be nice and save several minutes digging through that mess.
So, what is elona? From reading this shitty thread it seems to be a procedural text based dnd/h game?

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>>22448495
....there's a screenshot right above your post, how did you get text based anything from this thread?

It's anime ADOM.

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>>22448539
Yeah , very helpful. My interest dropped to 0 because of you.

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>>22419905 here, tomorrow i'll finally be able to play the game, knowing very little aside from the necessary spoilers for what i need to do to complete my quest: get a 27-slot mutant character. In loss mode. No cheating.

Before i start though, i can't decide: do i make a parent-save first and make a gene asap, to inherit potions of descent and the pets and make it all easy peasy? (This would take me literal days to get such a parent save all set up)
Or do i go full madman and start from scratch? Do i miss out on anything if i don't go the gene-route? (I know of the Secret of Lumias little cutscene, but anything else like exclusive items? Do the save files even differ in any way between a gene character and a pure one aside from a full heir trunk and starting gold?)

I'm honestly tempted to start fresh, as
>>22420225 pointed out it COULD be done and it'd be a nice challenge, but i also do have some doubts: can bells be enslaved by rod dominate even by a lvl 1/2 PC? And would "prevents sleep" gear allow me to forever keep the sleep malus wich sets exp to 0 without randomly falling asleep? After all i do need a way to gain the necessary time to grind my skills/attributes out on the long term without levelling up, since this is basically a snail run until i reach south tyris.

Thanks in advance for all the help, i'll share my run on the thread as well, as i seriously doubt i'll not die a fuckton of times without your help.

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>>22448495
It's basically 60% a roguelike (if not in loss mode it's a mystery dungeon like game) 40% a life-sim sandbox, with housing, economy, crafting, jobs and professions andHUGE AMOUNTS of flavourful items and interactions, blackjack and hookers, and much more which can't be described in short.

The main quest (the road to the "you win" screen) is very bland and kinda short to be honest, even worse than ADOM's. It is challenging in Permadeath mode, since there are many dangers that require answers you may not have, but encounters aren't particularly strategic until later on (towards the 3 stones quest + final dungeon floors and the 2nd/3d act that come after winning).
The real boon of Elona is its huge amounts of content though: insane item variety, many monsters to kill and even collect, infinite dungeons, character progression scaling up in the thousands.

If you are looking for a multiple-runs roguelike like DCSS look elsewhere. If you liked DF, CDDA or Mystery dungeon you'll love elona.

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>>22448964
It's an immense challenge even with inheritance cheese.
I don't think anyone has actually attempted doing it fresh.

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>>22448964
Ignore the meta shit like mutants if you're just starting. Just play a normal game with a reasonsble PC combination first so you can actually have fun with the game.

[Anonymous No.]

A responsible parent wouldn't buy a wand of firewall for her kid's birthday.

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Once you have Kumiromi's scythe, is there ANY downside to eating rotten food?
Do you get full attribute growth bonuses?

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>>22449819
Not really, but you can also stuff it in a dimensional pocket and remove it again. This resets it's rotten status.

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>>22449960
Oh wow, thanks.
I thought it just preserves food like a fridge, never knew that it's a time machine.

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>>22448495
It's an anime life sim roguelite. Imagine ADOM and Harvest Moon combined and you'll be pretty close.

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>>22449110
Well yeah, that's the appeal, the challenge it offers. I don't mind grinding to overcome the odds and the lvl limitation will be the biggest problem. Can you confirm if the prevent-sleep gear works as i said? If so, i could inherit just the bare essentials, aka prevent sleep gear (or, if it doesn't work, xp drain gear) and some dozen potions of descent to be used in case of inevitable level ups from traveling and such. If i want to make or a bit easier also a seed of every type and a happy bed, but maybe that's kinda cheating territory and not truly making it starting from scratch?
>>22449550
Nah, if it becomes frustrating or outright impossibile i'll do as you say. Again, i do have fun with runs like this, and the reward for making it is a real tasty boon to keep playing such a save for a long time.

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>>22450483
Unless you're going to cheat the potions in, you're not going to be able to do it. Potions of Descent are ridiculously RNG dependent in E+ and cannot be farmed properly in a short amount of time.

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>>22450509
I see, so my only hope is XP drain gear, resting each time xp gets too close to lvl up. Sleep malus locks any xp gain, but it also gives terrible maluses to hp/mp regen, and i don't know if randomly falling asleep can be prevented by no-sleep gear. Attributes/skills can still increase though in both cases, right?

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>>22450555
Attribute and Skill gain is independent from level experience yes, but controlling the opening several levels is difficult. If it wasn't loss it might be tolerable, but with loss on you're basically praying for luck to carry you. Getting to the first two mutation levels is almost impossible to avoid because XP drain gear is as RNG dependent as it is. If you're going for 27 you should accept that you won't get a "perfect" 27.

[Anonymous No.]

Would the permanent fury feat be a must on a gunner in omake?

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>>22450881
>occasional experience loss, both randomly (might not work, giving it instead), and after events that would increase experience. Cannot lose a level
Does randomly mean even while just resting? If so, i could just wait whenever i get to half xp to the next level until it drops to 0.

The other way is to use the no sleep malus, but i need confirmation if the randomly falling asleep thingrabs you get the sleeping status condition occasionally (which means gear could prevent it) or if it means that the game forcibly makes me sleep till the next day (in which case would the gear still prevent it?)

Also what do you mean by "controlling the opening several levels is difficult"? That early levels are almost inevitable?

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>>22450952
what does fury do

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>>22450952
Not really

>>22451059
Insta-fury status on PC when hostile npcs are spotted.

[Anonymous No.]

Fastest way to get astral light pen or wish to get it? I've been drinking from fountains for two fucking hours straight and no luck. Or is there any other way of getting child Gwen after Act 1?

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>>22451037
Sleeping immunity only affects the status effects, not actually falling asleep. I'm pretty sure !need sleep! also prevents attribute and skill gain too.

Early levels are not inevitable, but even something as simple as traveling on the world map gives xp. Eating food gives attribute xp, standing around gives armor and stealth xp, etc. Even dreams can give thousands of xp to faith or healing. Not to mention the first few levels don't require much xp.

>>22451114
>>22450952

The berserker trait causes fury when you take damage, the description is a bit misleading. My character triggers it all the time from starvation and magic reaction. It's also not 100%, but getting 2x and 3x from time to time is nice. If you can keep from dying.


>>22451186
She shows up in the void. You can get 10 pens from ssil's life in this world quest, and in plus 1.93+ you can get them from winning the arena.

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>>22451186
I just saw Gwen in the void like >>22451393 mentioned, so it's not impossible to find her later.

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>>22394476
You retarded fucking newfag lmao are you too dumb to just click on the post number?

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>>22451037
TL;DR: as long as you never rest, you worship Kumiromi AND you bring active means of recovering hp/mp/stamina (rods are the easiest way, but Regeneration castable cpuld be a very worthy goal) you can effectively prevent levelling up forever while suffering no penalty aside from needing active means of recovery. I can train pets while rested and do exp-gaining activities while needing sleep. Anything i'm missing or plain wrong in the following plan?

I tested the no sleep malus thing, and gear does not prevent falling asleep from it.
HOWEVER, you can fall asleep only by resting (i waited and ate for 3 in-game months and nothing happened).

Basically, to get the no-XP sleep debuff WITHOUT resting (otherwise one can fall asleep, and the odds want that it's be the only way to recover without active intervention) or being (too) crippled in everyday life (tired from low stamina givess big speed maluses, and stamina is needed for everyday activity) i have to solve the following
>No hp regen
Any heal potion/spell/rod, even minor (since at lvl 1/2 max HP are pitiful even while minmaxing it) will do nicely. Preferably rods, since recharging them is cheap and easy, while spells consume mp, infact...
>No mp regen
Rod of mana and scrolls will solve this problem, but magic seems not worth it with all these restrictions, so this is only an eventual solution if i choose to actively use mana (maybe for the Regeneration spell, which would then only require me to provide a rod of mana and plenty recharges to solve every problem, and also 16 MP but that's doable even at PC lvl1)
>Stamina LOSS
Kumiromi's passive perfectly counters the stamina loss at least, so any additional source of increased stamina regen (like the Regeneration spell, but since it requires mana a Troll Blood potion will be perfect) gives positive stamina regen overall. At that point however, just eating good food restores a flat amount and might be preferrable.
>No pet exp
Can pets sleep if i don't? If yes (or if i can send them to town and take them back at full health/rest status), no problem. Otherwise it's really just a matter of letting pets do literally all the killing while rested, and doing exp-gaining daily activities while needing sleep.

Sounds definetly like a possible, if difficult and VERY costly, plan.
Otherwise does stunt growth gear proc while resting as well? It could just be that easy if all i need to do in this case is wait until all my xp is drained each time a level is imminent.

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>>22451393
>>22451393
Can someone confirm if ot also block xp gain for attributes/skills? This anon >>22450881 says they are indipendent from character xp, but it's no confirmation.

Otherwise confirmation on if Stunt growth drains xp while waiting or not (and if it interrupt activities) would be very helpful.
Do multiple pieces with xp drain stack? And can they sometimes give exp too instead of taking it away?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22451557

Pets don't sleep. I've never tested it, but I'd assume they still get xp. even if you don't.

For the disturbs growth enchantment, the wiki has this page: https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Enchantments_(Elona%2B)

And:
4% chance to reduce exp by next_lvl_exp / (300 - limit(abs(encpower) / 2, 0, 50)) + rnd(100)

So, it looks like it does just remove xp from you every now and then.

I don't think it disturbs activities, that's usually blood suck or teleport.

[Anonymous No.]

>finally able to whore out myself for free
>unsure how to proceed as gold is pretty worthless in omake
i feel lost now,i am playing a slut fairy and have four gold bells as my squad,the tower of fire burns me to a crisp in one tick

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>>22452555
Use the gold to invest in blackmarket vendors I guess?

[Anonymous No.]

I will cry tears of joy the day someone combines Elona's silly fantasy weebness with the mapgen and crafting of CDDA.

[Anonymous No.]

Can pets use rods of mana?

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>>22452555
Gold isn't worthless in omake. Start pumping up the shops, primarily the Black Market in Port Kapul (or Derphy). You want to hit around shop rank 2k to 5k, and unless you're running a time machine it'll take a while to get to that point.

Without blacksmithing (which requires artifact fusion licenses which kind of requires good gear already) and without pot of fusion, the black market is really the only way to get gear relatively early.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22452703
do aurora rings exist in omake? i kind of want to travel fast on the map as well

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>>22452684
I'd settle for combining the best parts of all the elona likes (plus, oomSEST, shooter, Elin's Inn) into a single game.

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>>22452743
They're already a thing even on the vanilla version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22452684
Pls no, I do not want Kevin or any of his forum celebs to have their hands at any elona variants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22452555
Get a fire res+ gear. The guaranteed gloves of vesda and the unique randart hiryu-to (from treasure maps, blue treasure machine or adventurers) are the easiest.

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>>22453975
Arent the fire gloves too heavy for a fairy? also i made a bell eat a hero cheese yet her HP stayed the same value? am i missing something?

Watching a lv10 bell solo a big daddy in the 3rd lesimas floor with nothing but her bare hands is kind of hilarious

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>>22451897
So even just waiting would work, right?
Then it's as easy as inheriting/rerolling until i have 1 or more of such gear early and stop whenever i'm halfway to the next level until all xp is drained.

I guess i'll try to setup a quick character, get such gear and test it. Then i'll see if i should (re)roll fresh until i get an early piece or just inherit 1+ of this xp drain gear and little else.

Thanks for the patience and all the answers anons, i really appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22454184
>Then it's as easy as inheriting/rerolling until i have 1 or more of such gear early
Finding exp drain gear early is a big ask. Even among cursed gear, exp drain isn't a common enchant. You'd be better off making a dedicated inheritance file, but that might take more time than what you're looking to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>22448962
Boohoo, then leave. If you can’t spend 5 mins looking into it, then this game is not going to be for you.
On another note is dual wielding viable late game? I see a lot of people going either MA or 2H. I thought duel wielding living weapons would be op.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22454528
Viability generally isn't the issue, but rather the amount of investment versus the amount of numbers you're trying to get to. In the past because the viability thing was an issue because grinding was more tedious without using specific means, exp gain was slower, and some bosses were damage checks that made some builds too tedious to run especially without the proper gear. Nowadays that problem isn't as prevalent.

Dual wielding did get hit with a couple nerfs that made people deem it much worse than before, mostly with hit chaining mechanics, but it's still viable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22452703
>>22452555
In oomsest blacksmith gear scales all the way to rank 2 billion. You can find 20k+ strength enchantments. Very useful for grinding attributes for the xp and growth buffs.

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>>22454054
Gloves of vesda drops to 0.9s with 1 blessed flying scroll. You need the cheese more than the vells. The cheese's life gain is minuscule, giving the bells limbs via gene engineering and decking them with full rubynus (and anti poison+bleeding) gears is more impactful.

[Anonymous No.]

my con is lowered for no discernible reason and restoring stats doesn't do anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>22454890
Double check for cursed equipment, mutations, and ether disease effects.

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>>22454787
I think, and this is from my poor recollection because I haven't bothered grinding in omake for a while now, but the Black Market scales faster than the Blacksmith when it comes to getting gear, mostly because it has a higher distribution of Miracle/Godly quality items that populate on refresh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22454890
Drink the blessed restore potions

[Anonymous No.]

>>22454787
>>22455052

Whoops, mistyped. It is the black market not the smith.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22454526
I'm already on it, no luck so far. I'm just making cash to try my hand at the shops and buying engagement stuff to reach Soulmate asap and make a gene.
Once i find it i'll finally be able to start my real game and share it here.

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>>22455501
Just scour the puppy cave for engagement rings/necklaces. There's also a guaranteed rare/high quality items at the 4th floor and the map resets every time you go up and down. If you can handle wizards of elea and yerles gunners it's a perfect spot to farm items.

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>>22455719
Thanks anon, i managed to farm up to soulmate much faster.
I've also finally found an "It disturbs growth" (only two pips, but since i can wait until all xp is drained it's a non issue) piece of equip, and i think it's a really good one too (it did cost me almost 100k+)
In addition to pic related, it's got "It floats you", "It negates the effects of confusion" and the xp drain thing. I dunno if pope robes are actually good chest equips, but i'll take anything with the xp drain enchant, and this one seems quite insane to me, i'd not complain at all.

I'd love to give my heir some rubynus weapons/ammo to compensate for the very low HP at lvl 1, but i can't be assed to farm anymore, so i'll probably just give him the Pope robe + Happy bed and the storage containers for books/potions/4 dimensional mirror. And some rations to boot.

We are almost there boys, i can soon begin my mad quest to 27 slots.

[Anonymous No.]

>buy bookshelf
>"Operates like Freezers" says on wiki
>cannot open it
I don't get it. I dropped the bookshelf and it doesn't work. Is it another furniture for storing books and this is just for decoration? Elona+ Custom-G by the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22457960

Bookshelves have always worked for me in E+CG. Seems like an obvious answer, but are you trying to 'o'pen it? You can only access it by using it (t). It also has to be in your house, but I assume you know that already

[Anonymous No.]

>>22458036
I tried both. The freezer seems to be Open but Bookshelf is neither Open or Use (t). Pic related, I just dropped it and I'm standing over it.
I just read the comments in the furniture section on the wiki and it says not all bookshelves are created equally. Does that mean vanilla and E+ have different item IDs for these shelves? And they look the same? If that's the case what's their estimated selling price?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22458091

Just checked in one of my own saves, and you're right. Tidy bookshelves are decoration only. I'd forgotten that was even a thing. Get yourself a "book shelf", a "magnificent bookshelf", or an "old bookshelf instead" .

[Anonymous No.]

Redpill me on cargo trading,i finally got a ring to protect vs thieves so i can start my enterprise business

whats the minimum and highest price of the turnips in omake? supposely ttheir value changes daily

[Anonymous No.]

>>22442486
heh

[Anonymous No.]

>>22458475
Cargo trading is troublesome. Your trade cargos (except traveller's food) are gone each time you use the return spell/scroll. There's bandits too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22384204
why does the pastebin recommend oomSEST to noobies when E+ exists?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22459495
anon...

[Anonymous No.]

new thread where