/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is for the discussion of any and all works by by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON.

Download Links:
>A collection of all official Japanese versions of TYPE-MOON PC Games (work in progress)
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

>Kara no Kyoukai
novels: https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/
movies: https://nyaa.si/view/1152431

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime - Blue Blue Glass Moon, Under The Crimson Air.
https://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lY
Tsukihime PLUS+DISC - Alliance of Illusionary Eyes
https://nyaa.si/view/453758
Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya - Twilight Grass Moon, Fairy Tale Princess.
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2502321
Tsukihime Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ

>Melty Blood
Melty Blood PC games (Original + ReACT + Act Cadenza + Actress Again Current Code)
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
MBAACC - Community Edition
https://mega.nz/#!6FUx2C6a!L2AxbiQzPHtgRI3YPHv4NZfi2EYS9RMeNHoSp6pAcFw
Melty Blood Manga (divided into two parts: the first part, spanning volumes 1-6, follows the original Melty Blood storyline. "2nd ACT" spans volumes 7-9. Melty Blood X is based on the Melty Blood Drama CD -Rojiura Pyramid Night-)
https://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwA
Melty Blood Manga - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate/series
Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2386805
Fate/hollow ataraxia
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
Fate/Zero novels
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-5XtCxJULf4YWZfSkZKWGc2S2M
Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files novels
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B13rmXgOUD7NdUV2NDR2bWo1clU
Fate/Strange Fake Light Novel
http://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read

>Mahoutsukai no Yoru (魔法使いの夜)
English Translation Patch (Chapter 1–7): https://mega.nz/#F!loBEBJDB!LMlgzDXX_ZnnRtnKFbXhQQ
French Translation Patch: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french

Novels/Manga:
>Angel Voice (anthology containing two separate angel themed stories: Notes by Nasu and Clockwick Canaan-Veil by Takeuchi.)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip
>Fate/Apocrypha
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/volume-1/pdf-and-epub-version-2/
>Fate/Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silver
http://www.mediafire.com/file/myvc2c0ydv2lqhq/Fate%25EF%25BC%258FPrototype_Fragments_of_Sky_Silver_Vol_1.pdf/file
>Fire Girl
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Today's Menu for the Emiya Family
vol. 1: https://mega.nz/#!qlczzYiI!bnZsuBiMRVCKmugwizlIGc-0Bm1rXUXk_locMF7ogIU
vol. 2: https://mega.nz/#!T0UD0SBQ!yL4vw1j91cXFyFfVsUbyeRuJb4vTCesOhQqo9mmFtlA
>Tsuki no Sango - Coral of the Moon
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx

Helpful TYPE-MOON-related links:
>Beast's Lair forum
forums.nrvnqsr.com
>Encyclopedia of Type Moon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ/edit?usp=sharing
>Fate/Complete Material II: Character Material
https://pastebin.com/Zjy1Sj6d (embed)
>Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works] Deluxe Booklet
part 1: https://anidb.net/forum/thread/56958
part 2: https://imgur.com/a/zzgtH
>Fate/stay night [Heaven's Feel] Animation Material (Deluxe booklet featuring staff interviews)
https://imgur.com/a/yhv4ZNd
>Fate Franchise Loseless Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g
>Fuyuki Rebuild
http://tatari.co.nf/fuyuki/index.htm
>mirrormoon
http://mirrormoon.org/
>TMdict, a light-weight, multi-lingual TYPE-MOON glossary
tmdict.com/
>Tsuki-kan, a small fansite containing bits and pieces of information on all things TYPE-MOON
tsukikan.com/
>Tsukihime doujins from 2008
https://mega.nz/#!fHgSVb5L!EPDHKU2KHLdjW1bM2b0-VV7WzrA9xPqrLnJTu0AkwyY
>Tsukihime Music Collection
https://nyaa.si/view/1090729
>Type-Moon Mega folders
https://mega.nz/#F!tBRTDDLT!6-uk9SmrvHKLFYU_3QTwgQ
https://mega.nz/#F!IEgnySDK!wvEo43UGmHFEKC1JBVykGw

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[Anonymous No.]

Does the OP need updating?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22298742
Yes, I think it lacks mahoyo links.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22298742
>>22298757
It's also missing the subject field. I was wondering why tmg didn't find anything.

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>>22298774
Oh indeed, I think I'll delete it.

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>>22298774
Someone fucked up then.

[Anonymous No.]

Will we ever find out Nasu's true identity?

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>>22298860
As far as I know TM has a building with a public adress. We just someone in Japan to go and take a photo of him.

[Anonymous No.]

To whoever the previous poster was that asked "Why did Nasu lose his edge after FSN/FHA/FZ?"

For starters, he never wrote Fate/Zero but he was heavily involved. Second, you're completely ignoring that Mahoyo even fucking exists -_-. I'm guessing its because English posters haven't read it, but its been since then that he lost his edge. And he lost it because (i know ppl think its a meme, I genuinely believe this) he didn't make enough money off of Mahoyo and so the whole company decided to go capitalist. Mahoyo was the last thing he tried on desu, CCC is overrated as fuck and is where the fan-service FGO-ish story telling began.

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>>22298965
Although you're right, it is also worth mentioning that after Mahoyo, it is very hard to actually say "he wrote something'. I mean, I would even doubt if the famous parts people say that were written by him on extella, fgo, etc were really him.
You know, Takeuchi could just convinved him to put his name on the cover and hire ghostwriters.

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I've been reading KnK in japanese. Man does the English translation blow.

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>>22298860
I imagine him as a very effeminate man.

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Is there somebody here that lives in Chiyoda?

[Anonymous No.]

The commonly used English fanbase term are magecraft and Magic right?

Command Spells or Command Seals?

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>>22298727
shit op, goshit and no goddamn title is absolutely haram

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>>22298965
>And he lost it because (i know ppl think its a meme, I genuinely believe this) he didn't make enough money off of Mahoyo and so the whole company decided to go capitalist.
How many times must we do this, old man?
Mahoyo was not made to be a money making project with huge mass appeal.
At no point does Nasu really say anything about how important it is from a business standpoint, everything he said and is implied that he did it because he wanted to, the way he wished to.
It shows that TM now has the sustainability to make a passion project work.
He was happy that his origin work was now being made into something following his whims.

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>>22299593
so happy that he abandoned the sequels, never talks about it, and let Koyama out to dry

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>>22222222

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>>22299622
TM has always followed trends and adapted to find their next big calling.
Nasu had so much crap to do that to make the next big thing, he had to make previously announced things and partially completed series mothballed.
Nasu rarely ever talks about past works unless there is some relevance to do so. Mahoyo is not related to anything made after it and so there is no reason to mention it.
He also knows that he wants to finish all three parts before he is satisfied to talk in depth post completion.
Koyama has stuff to do, but he is clearly not caring about much atm, he wants another art direction role to be motivated again.
Mahoyo like the Remake was just a victim of many coincidences, not that what there is or should be is not worthy.

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>>22299665
And honestly, I'm saying this and giving Nasu plenty of benefits of the doubt because frankly, there is so little of TM that I still care about, and so I'll defend it until it is dead for good and I can finally abandon this cesspool of a ship.
I do wish Nasu would just say something decisive, but he never does.

[Anonymous No.]

The new translation project for mahoyo (jp->fr->eng) just released chapter 8.
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8586-Mahoutsukai-no-Yoru-French-to-English-Translation-Project?p=3021055&viewfull=1#post3021055

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Still waiting for tsukihime remake, huh?

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>>22299537
I call them in jp
Majutsu, Mahou and Reiju.

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>>22299575
It was meant to be ironic. That picture is a peice of art that express the current crisis TM is suffering.
Oh and sorry about the lack of title.

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>>22299665
>Nasu rarely ever talks about past works unless there is some relevance to do so.
He rarely ever talks, period.

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Why does Fate/Extra get so much undeserved hate?

Extra is all about the character interactions, and the R/P/S is a reference to how all Nasu fights are like that. For example Emya > Gilgamesh, but Gilgamesh > Alexander, and perhaps Alexander > Emiya. Powers tend to work based on compatibility unless you're just an all around type like Saber's are supposed to be.

The plot in the original game was a little barebones (You wake up in a school with no memories and you'd better murder everybody who crosses your path to buy another week of life; despite knowing you're probably going to fade into nothingness at the end of it anyway) but it had an interesting lore, and CCC improved upon everything to the point that Nasu was proud to call it the final in the Fate series and the last one he would work on. If you didn't like the first game you might not care for CCC still, but shit actually has some real intrigue and plot going on now rather than a tournament style set up where you learn about and then fight a new servant each week.

1) The Servant farewell, the high point because it meant the maturity of not relying on them anymore (wasn't this the climax of Fate route with Saber and Shirou and UBW route with Archer and Rin? The scenes even had mirror-names).
2) The salvation of a loved one who has been ignored and the heroic sacrifice of another who has been misunderstood in previous occassions (Ilya-Sakura*, Black Sakura-White Sakura. The Servant farewells were already explored in FSN- CCC compresses them).

Even if the world building was bad the story and mostly the characters are still great

[Anonymous No.]

>forgetting the subject field
>saltriver image

Anyway chapter 8 TL for mahoyo is out if anyone wants to give it a try, though I would recommend waiting for the whole thing if you're not gonna give feedback or if you're not in a rush to read it.

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>>22299972
I hope this is pasta

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>>22299993
do they even care about quality not doing episodic releases and with the first 7 chapters still being mcjon lmao

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>>22300473
>not doing episodic releases
What do you mean by this?

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>>22300473
>7 chapters still being mcjon lmao

quick run down on mcjon?

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>>22300531
an anon posted a single text comparison once to prove mcjon's translation is bad and everyone believed him

then he said he's translating mahoyo himself and everyone believed that too

thank god for the frogs

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>>22300473
They already said they are gonna retranslate the first 7 chapters but AFTER translating the whole thing.

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>>22300543
Mcjon admitted his TL is so shit he wants to kill himself

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>>22299007
I hope he is

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>>22300543
>thank god were getting a translation watered down through two languages already
The absolute state of TM EOPs.

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>>22299026
You need someone to burn it down?

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>>22301895
Nah, just the usual paparazzi.

[Anonymous No.]

they have people checking it with the jp script, i highly doubt itll be that much worse than takajuns shit especially with the amount of editors they have, though still not worth reading

[Anonymous No.]

I have cross-checked, their translation is pretty fucking solid. Checking both French (machine translation, both Google and DeepL) and the JP (my own JP, duh), it seems that they did change a lot of stuff that the French script took liberty on, and that more closely resembles the JP. From what I've seen, their JP proofreaders are doing a hell of a job (they have a good amount of them too). The prose is pretty up to par with the JP, and much better then Takajun.

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>>22299972
>>22300198
> but it had an interesting lore
definitely pasta

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>>22302073
As a proofreader/editor who's taking way longer than I usually would to check any doubts I have with the JP/FR scripts, I appreciate you saying this anon.
We'll try to keep this level of quality and improve on it going forward.

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>>22302085
yall changing sorcery to magecraft in the first 7 chapters already makes mcjons tl more worth reading desu

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand why the Babylonia anime failed to give the MC anything remotely interesting while some manga, specially Shimosa, are doing a decent job to make them a character.

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>>22302268
because they know that people will still eat it up, regardless of the amount of effort that goes into it.

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>>22302268
Are the manga any better than the game? During my monthly trip outside i noticed my bookstore selling some of them.

[Anonymous No.]

have any of you tried screen capturing Realta Nua through discord ?, i can't seem to get the image or the audio working

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>>22302073
>Checking both French (machine translation, both Google and DeepL) and the JP (my own JP, duh), it seems that they did change a lot of stuff that the French script took liberty on

Examples?

[Anonymous No.]

See this anon? This is what the legacy of Nasu became. This is what FGO caused. H scenes? Tohsaka anus? Hah, don't make laugh. The eroge scenes will never be as degrading as that shit mobage.
I sincerely wish to you FGO whalers and tards a slow and painful death.

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>>22303229
It's even worse because they are so wrong about everything they said.

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>>22302977
They are hit or miss. Shimousa is the most popular with the ever hiatused Mortalis Stella because of the art and Ritsuka being proactive as summoner/Master and inner thoughts/characterization.

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>>22302268
I don't expect Babylonia Gudao to be as experience as Shimousa Gudako but they definitely should do something with his character on the anime.

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>>22303634
Shimousa works a lot because the chapter itself gave POV and introspection to Musashi, Amakusa, Ritsuka and a bunch of characters (and made some idiots complain about waaah too long) and gave a lot of good grounds to be adapted (as Solomon chapter has a lot of introspection of Roman, Mashu and Goetia - Da Vinci serves just as an exposition tool for Roman in the end). It feels like a love letter to the inspiration of Fate: Makai Tensho. The mangaka who adapts it is amazingly competent and presented Ritsuka not as this void self insert but as a courageous Master who might not be good at magecraft but uses her resources (mystic codes, command spells), experience, wits and compatibility with Servants as summoner (and makes use of her as summoner rather than a passive wallflower) along with sticking to the main friendship and bonding with Musashi which was a reminiscence of the old style fate where Master and Servant help each other to grow stronger. Ritsuka works better as a girl because her main strength is the communication and the empathy to form bridges rather than hot blooded heroism (it might be sexist but it's a complain of Gudao in the anime, because you're expected to make a guy more active in the battlefield), plus her looking after children would feel really 'off' in a male, it's just how it is. Any /u/thing is treated like an unwanted joke too making Ritsuka look ill or irritated when Kiyohime clings to her (thus shaking off the Riyo portrayal) and it's played for laughs.

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>>22301992
>>22302073
If they've got people that know Japanese why don't they translate it from Japanese instead of having them check and fix a derivative translation?

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>>22303736
Because way more people on the group are french translators and they also happen to have more time to devote to the project.
As it is the translation part is well underway, it's proofreading/editing and cross-checking to ensure a decent level of quality and accuracy that'll take a while.

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>>22303743
>it's proofreading/editing and cross-checking to ensure a decent level of quality and accuracy that'll take a while.
Only because they're insisting on using the shit French translation to begin with.

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>>22303736
none of them are fluent, but they know enough to read. not translate

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>>22303775
Thats exactly why i havent translated anything.

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>>22303770
I can tell you for a fact that we don't have enough people on board fluent in moon, good enough at translating, and with enough free time to do the whole thing from JP.
This is the only viable way we'll get anywhere with the TL while still mantaining decent accuracy, and I'm thankful to the original french translators for paving the road.

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>>22303795
>while still mantaining decent accuracy
It doesn't sound like anyone involved will be able to tell either way.

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>>22303229
> Pedantic Romantic
I hate this fag so much.

[Anonymous No.]

https://reddit.com/r/fatestaynight/comments/dm53qs/unpopular_oppinion_ufotable_fucked_general_anime/

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>>22304406
why are you linking reddit here you fucking dumbass
Go back

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Not that anon, but people say that shit about Zero anime all that time.
Frankly, if you want to watch whatever in anime, you're already doing the most fucked up way, so who cares at which point you start?

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>>22304406
>>22304450
>Fate/stay night 20th Anniversary anime

-Saber arc
-Garden of Avalon written BY Nasu has Merlin OBSERVING Fate route ending
-Last Episode, where Shirou meets Merlin, who guides him on a quest to reunite with Saber.
-Nasu retconned in one of the interviews for the UBW Anime that Saber was a guardian or mother figure to Rin and Shirou, shepherding them through the story. He completely axed any possibility for romance
-Caster and Rider gets some actual characterization
-Waver teams up with Rin to dismantle the fuyuki grail system
-Soundtrack by by Hideyuki Fukasawa (UBW composer,)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_qjyCVMrw

Is it kino?

[Anonymous No.]

Would Tsukihime Remake have sex scenes? Would it have voice acting? If yes, would they keep the current cast (the cast that did Carnival Phantasm and MB, not the anime) or cast new and younger VAs?

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>>22305120
Fuck you for reminding me.

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>>22305120
don't remind me of Hisui's dead seiyuu
she voiced a lot of my favourite characters and it breaks my heart to remember it

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>>22305120
>>22305169
>>22305170
What do we know about the Tsukihime Remake?

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>>22303736
I've done exactly that. It's much easier to let someone translate the whole thing and then just fix whatever is wrong.

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Reminder that if you play FGO JP you should be shot, but if you play FGO NA you should be shot twice.

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>>22305501
Are you the translator?

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>>22305252
Only what Nasu said last july, which is:
1 - He was test playing it;
2 - It was a very fun game for "oji-san gamers";
The second one gives the idea it will have sex scenes, but frankly, I doubt it.

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>>22305599
No. Just have helped some projects.

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>>22305521
fgo na is translated the exact same way mahoyo is now, over 3 different languages.

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>>22306031
You can rest assured we won't shove memes where there aren't any, retard.

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>>22302073
Why are you lying on the internet
If not provide examples

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>>22306366
It's pretty sad you actually think I'm on 4chan 24/7.

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>>22306366
>>22303120
The quickest one I found going through Chapter 8 again. The first scene, here's the French line:
>Allez, on y va ! Je ne sais pas qui aime ça, mais pour une drôle de raison, il y a un tas de boîtes de haricots rouges en bouillie.

DeepL translation (again, I don't know French):
>Come on, let's go! I don't know who likes it, but for some reason, there are a lot of cans of red beans in mush.

The French TL changed some things in this line, mainly the initial "Come on, let's go!" not being like that in the JP script (exclamation mark, mainly), and their removal of shiruko entirely, for a more localized version. Here's the JP line:
>さ、行くぞ。誰の趣味かしらねえが、なぜかしるこの缶が山ほどあってな。中華まんの一つでもあった方が気が利くってもんなんだがねぇ。アレか、遭難用のチョコレートみたいなもんか？

And here's the English TL (by them, not from me):
>Well then, I don't know who brought them, but for some reason we have a bunch of cans of shiruko.

As you can see, the initial "Sa, iku zo." was translated as "Well then," which makes more sense in context, has no exclamation mark, and is a better translation in comparison to the wrongly excited "Come on, let's go!" from the French TL. They also brought back the use of shiruko instead of the localized version from the French TL.

I'm not gonna waste my time going back through the script again for more concrete examples, I just wanted to prove to the skeptics that yes, they are definitely looking at the JP script. This isn't a shitty TL that's been bogged down by 3 languages.

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>>22307299
Forgot to mention, JP script and French script I compared using the stuff provided from the French github, while I had the English patch installed, since it was easier then constantly switching out the patches:

github dot com slash IDerr slash mahoyo-french-dev

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>>22307299
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

in Tsukihime, is it possible to extract artwork directly from the game files?

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>>22307299
huh well thats
uhhhh
hmm

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>>22307299
>Yeah, this translation is really fucking solid based on this one line
absolutely based, thanks man

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>>22307689
How about you look through the rest of the script yourself if you're so serious about this, instead of asking this one anon to do your homework?

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>>22307711
i'm not the one that felt the need to fellate this amazing translation

also what makes you think i'm particularly serious

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>>22307723
"Really solid" doesn't mean "amazing", anon.

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>>22307729
he said "pretty fucking solid"

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>>22307729
>>22307735
and "prose ... up to par with the JP" which is basically the highest compliment you can give for a translation

except he didn't even bother to show us an example of a line with good prose.

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>>22307735
Literally all he was explaining was that it's not just blindly translating from the french as some people feared, JP cross-checking matters.

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>>22307689
Go do your own shit then. I was cross-checking the scripts in the first place because that's how you prove a hypothesis, by experimenting yourself. Your preconceived notions about the translation make you put on some super thick rose-tinted glasses and make you refuse to check it yourself. Unironically you're acting exactly as flat-earthers do, and even worse because at least THEY TRY TO EXPERIMENT.

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>>22307740
>except he didn't even bother to show us an example of a line with good prose.
Unless you've got the wrong definition, this is as easy to confirm as just reading the translation yourself. No checking any JP scripts.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Nasu actually a girl?

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>>22307939
based

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>>22308091
No.

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all im gonna say about this situation is that their new logo is very sexy and way better than the guy on fuwanovels, the bottom part looks kinda iffy but it looks fine downscaled in game

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>>22308091
nasu isn't even real

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>>22307939
alright I checked the scripts and the prose isn't nearly as good as the original

and no I won't give proof

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why the hell is op using the fake nasu google images pic

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>>22308974
The intention was not that I thought it's Nasu. This photo is just a symbol of the crisis TM is currently facing.
We all know that guy is Shiokawa anon, don't worry.

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lmfao makes sense

im omega late but holy fuck fire girl tl is alive

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>>22298991
Yeah the snippets of the English translation I've seen were pretty bad. Enjoy the read though anon.

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>>22305521
>Gomenasorry
>sore wa chigawrong
>chotto a minute
Wait is this real? Am I being tricked here?

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>>22309108
it's real

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>>22309134
And people unironically pay money for that "translation?"

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>>22309142
People unironically *choose* to pay money. They don't even have to in the first place. Its fucking insanity.

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>>22309142
It is worse, there are people that actually glorify it.

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>>22309142
Most people who play FGO don't care about script quality

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>>22309318
Most people who play FGO taps the skip button like crazy. They probably only know story by summaries on reddit.

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>>22307689
>>22307711
>>22307939
>in a hell hole like /tmg/

They hate us because they ain't us

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>>22305120
>Would it have voice acting?

Like Fate, Mahoutsukai no Yoru doesn't make use of voice actors, could you please tell us the reasoning behind this?

Nasu: Sound is a very strong tool. The existence of voices can greatly affect a work's charm. However, each player has his or her own ideal voice for the characters that only exists in his or her own heard. I think this is one of the reasons characters from Tsukihime and Fate were so popular among gamers, because gamers can simply overlay their ideal voice over the characters. If the creators want a character to be loved by the players, they don't necessarily need to add in voices, forcefully impose their own vision onto the characters. In today's world, we feel very uncertain by not adding voices for characters, but still, we don't want to impose any specific impressions on the gamers, because human imagination is unmatched.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.famitsu.com/news/201910/05182695.html

>Nasu: "From the start I had a strong desire to present show a long-form romance piece with sex appeal, so I thought a sound novel would be good. That [Tsukihime] was welcomed by a lot of people, so I thought whether I should continue as a game writer or follow my original dream of being a novelist. Since I can't do both, I decided to do my best as a game writer."

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>>22309587
idk this place kinda sucks i just come here because im bored and like seeing people argue

[Anonymous No.]

Seriously what the hell happened with Fragments DramaCD production

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309587
Oh, so the only place where you find people who care about translation of VNs is a hellhole, because you know, fgog, reddit and whatever fgo suckers can't read more than 140 characters.
Good start by shaming the ones who actually care about translations. You translator who wrote that, go fuck yourself and die, we don't need assholes like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309699
you are not really helping your case anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309699
It's pretty miserable here sometimes, man. I come here for art posts most of the time and I rarely see moments where someone isn't insulting the obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309699
I don't think I've ever seen a single translation get praised here. Its always either learn JP or gtfo. The general consensus seems to be quite the opposite, actually. /tmg/ doesn't care about translations. And if /tmg/ really did care, with the amount of JP people in here, they could have easily done something. But they haven't because like i said, JP or gtfo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309718
Frankly, at this point I'm not even caring anymore.
At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if he prefer FGO shitholes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309736
We are the weaker side of TM fandom, so of course things are miserable. Actually, no, we're worse than miserable, 'cause we have nothing to talk about.
>>22309738
Or maybe you haven't been talking with the EOPs, because there are lots of them. But yeah, we're on jaypee so it is not uncommon to praise moonrunes.
But in this case he should hate 4chan as a whole then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309753
he doesnt hate this board or else he probably wouldnt have even found that post to begin with

[Anonymous No.]

Don't let this be Axia bullshit all over again, we don't need more /tmg/-twitter crossposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309753
>cause we have nothing to talk about.
Kinda of amazes me how much TM content is untranslated despite BL and the sheer size of the fanbase honestly

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309761
what alternative is there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309778
Frankly, it not a question about untraslated but rather no content.
You people all know that we (me included) reads moonrunes and we're ready to share whatever we find.
But it is kinda hard when everything after Mahoyo is shit or uninteresting.

[Anonymous No.]

Zoomers prove once again that they are fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309771
I have direct contact with her, she is too focused on that other franchise with mecha things to pay attention on us.

[Anonymous No.]

What did /tmg/ do to Axia? Axia-chan is indeed based

friendly reminder: /ourgirl/

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309836
Like I said, nothing. She just shifted her focus.
Which is something we should have done long ago, but we keep having hope with Nasu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309826
>I have direct contact with her, she is too focused on that other franchise with mecha things to pay attention on us.

Even if Nasu completely stops working on FGO he will do nothing but Extra/Link/CCC since Alien and cyberworld things are his current thing.

list of things nasu threw out the window:
-Satsuki route
-Tsukihime 2
-Tsukihime remake
-DDD
-That one anime with ufotable they had planned
-CCC being his final fate work
-Mahoyo 2 and 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309818
well just sounds like you need to get invested into other things besides tm stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309853
I think he will throw out the window everything after the Remake, cause ya know, he actually done that.
(Unless he keeps it to himself)

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309859
That is like saying to a homossexual he just have to eat pussy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309761
Are Fate fuckers ever happy with ANYTHING?

>You bitch about Nasu deciding to focus on curry instead of doing something interesting with Ciel's character and ruining Kohaku from KT and on by turning her into a lolrandumbxD caricature of her original self
>You bitch about a few similarities between Shirou/Rin and Soujuurou/Aoko, right down to what they call each other
>You bitch about Réalta Nua making Sakura a blood sucker, the rape backstory got removed, and the worms got changed
>You bitch about TM making Realta Nua ports and Saber spear-heading everything since the advent of Realta Nua and Saber's special ending/apology to Takeuchi
>You bitch about the Tsukihime Remake Artwork
>You bitch about DDD vol 3
>You bitch about why we have under night in the first place (type moon not wanting them to make another melty blood until the remake comes out)
>You bitch about Extella hardly has to do anything with the events of Extra and CCC. It only gets a passing remark of acknowledgment of "oh right, that happened once" with Gilgamesh and Liz
>You bitch about Nasu for suggesting to Higashide the creation of Sieg to replicate Shirou and Jeanne being Sieg love interest
>You bitch about UBW anime (100% written/directed by Nasu) Shirou was supposed to be speedblitzing Gil, not flying around like a madman
>You bitch about Fate/Extra Last Encore(100% written/directed by Nasu) cut the 4th Floor, Tamamo and Female Hakuno
>you bitch about Illya's scenes being cut from the Heaven's Feel movie
>you bitch about 90% of the TM lore is now in FGO
>you bitch about Fate/Grand Order -Absolute Demonic Front: Babylonia-'s boring characters overall (Ushi, Benkei, Leonidas, etc), which are mostly just character bloat, further detracting from the few characters that are good
>you bitch about Nasu in a recent interview that he is done working on FGO as soon as the Lostbelt arc
>you bitch about TM being Sony's puppets

What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309880
That is a very heterogeneous list. I doubt half of it are from Fate only fags.
I am a Tsukihime/KnK fag and I only bitch about
>Lack of Tsukihime Remake
>Lack of traditional VN production
>90% of the TM lore is now in FGO
If FGO was a chinese made game with lots of errors because Nasu doesn't check it which makes it not canon, it would be much better.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone never read any of Kara no Kyoukai manga before?

https://mexa.sh/fp3ez6mjr804/Kara%20no%20Kyoukai%20The%20Garden%2001-07.rar.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309944
I read a little bit of it. It's pretty based

[Anonymous No.]

Which one is better, Google Drive or Mega?

The OP torrents with 0 seeds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309999
I mostly prefer GD, but mega is fine too.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone extract the CGs from the HD patch of Fate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309999
The only torrent in the OP with 0 seeds is a KnK movie compilation that, according to some random on nyaa, is of inferior quality.
>>22298742
This. There was a better torrent some time ago, change it back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22310224
>There was a better torrent some time ago, change it back.

Explain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22310224
>>22310235
https://nyaa.si/view/264295

[Anonymous No.]

>>22310224
Who is in the process of archiving everything?

Tsukihime is an out-of-print doujin. I hope we're archiving these

[Anonymous No.]

>>22309778
F/SN never got a HQ rewrite because MirrorMoon were totally burned out from helping translate F/SN near the end being highschool teenagers and all and there wasn't really any native English editors to look over TakaJun's work so we just had to make do with what we got and for people to forever make misunderstandings about Nasu like OP.

You know that infamous vomit line said by Shirou when he was having sex with Sakura?

That line from Shirou is actually made up by TakaJun.

What Shirou's line should have been properly translated as should have been something like "It fell so good, my head felt nauseous".

The word "vomit" doesn't even exist during that scene. TakaJun took a lot of liberties with the sex scenes and made them sound a hundreds time more awkward than the original and there are plenty of questionable tl work he made in translating F/SN.

TakaJun had a shit tier English vocabulary when he was translating F/SN.

MirrorMoon were also lazy so they also removed all the ruby text from F/SN because they didn't want to translate it which is a shame because the ruby text allows paragraphs found in F/SN to have double meanings especially some of the poetry/battle quotes or weapon names you see in the game.

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>>22310384
>didn't want to translate it which is a shame because the ruby text allows paragraphs found in F/SN to have double meanings especially some of the poetry/battle quotes or weapon names you see in the game
That actually applies to every single work from Nasu, he explores A LOT double meanings, specially with kanji and some neologisms.
If there is one thing translations in general (and anime and manga adaptations too to some extent) fails is translating this trait from Nasu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22298727
/tmg/ retard, can you type it?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a translation for UBW drama cds?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22310512
No

>Fate/zero special drama CDs
https://translation-blog.tumblr.com/post/21210458027/project-page-fatezero-special-drama-cds

>Fate/Zero ( フェイト/ゼロ ) Drama CD 2
book.com/DecJacky23/posts/i-have-translated-one-of-the-drama-cds-it-takes-place-some-time-after-the-finale/1858315667743004/

>Fate/stay night Heaven's Feel: First Interlude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4tzVeWPOU

>Melty Blood Drama CD - Rojiura Pyramid Night.
http://heavens-feel.com/rojiurapyramidnight.html

>Melty Blood Drama CD - Ladies in the Water.
https://heavens-feel.com/type-moon-melty-blood-drama-cd-ladies-in-the-water.html

>Fate/EXTRA Last Encore ORIGINAL DRAMA CD 2: Tales Told by the Fox
https://amielleon.dreamwidth.org/305579.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>22310573
2nd link is dead, have you got a mirror?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22310578
>book.com/
facebook

[Anonymous No.]

I agree with that guy actually, this place is indeed a hell hole because it's a living, breathing representation of what's left of the core TM fanbase. And, let's face it, it isn't pretty. We're just a group of people no one wants to make content for anymore because we're not as financially lucrative as the mobage fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22310678
>I agree with that guy actually, this place is indeed a hell hole because it's a living, breathing representation of what's left of the core TM fanbase

Beast's Lair?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22310678
First, no this is a hugbox until something of value apears. If TsukiRe is true, than things will change for a long time. We might even allow FGO talk if Nasu behaves.
Second, no, BL is filled with the true old generation TM fans and is even where the said Mahoyo translation was posted and has most organized talk about it. It was not on FGOreddit, nor fgog, nor any other bullshit casual fanservice suckers, it was on the forum where all fan hardwork related to this franchise is.
Third, fuck you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22310740
>We might even allow FGO talk if Nasu behaves.
You are probably the most autistic and annoying person in this general.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>22310740
>BL is filled with the true old generation TM fans
nobody bothered checking mcjons translation for 4 fucking years.

you're delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

I tried downloading the japanese tsukihime in the mega upload in the link but I'm having a hard time extracting the files. Been trying to play all type moon works in japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22313504
Check first if you have japanese locale, cause no TM japanese work install or extract correctly without it (at least mahoyo and tsukihime cases)

[Anonymous No.]

>>22313718
I'm always in local so that shouldn't be the issue. It's mostly because i'm low tier at file extraction. I'm not too trusting with finding random burners myself, since it seems like I'll need something to convert the files included.

[Anonymous No.]

so I have finished KT is it wrong from me to think that the best scene from it was not even writen by nasu ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22314507
Which one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22314512
the discussion between SHIKI and Shiki during the drinking dreaming moon

[Anonymous No.]

>>22314507
Why would you think it is wrong? It is not like Nasu is the best writer in the world.
You're free to hate it anon, don't worry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22310691
If you scour any of the threads you'll see people discussion about FGO so no BL is not apart of our fanbase. BL lumps in with the FGO fanbase with the likes of /fgog/, Reddit, Twitter etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>22315108
I don't think he meant that we have BL here, he was correcting that BL would still have some of what's left of the TM core fanbase. And I agree, not all people from BL are FGOtards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22299972
Probably cause Nero is a trash waifu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22305521
Yeah that's fair.

[Anonymous No.]

>FGO killer

[Anonymous No.]

>>22315278
Assuming that is the only option there.
>deliciousgarcher

[Anonymous No.]

>>22313504
>>22313765
Oh yeah the Tsukihime game is locked away in some weirdly formatted bin files or some shit. Daemon tools lite is literally the only thing I'm aware of that can mount them and extract them. Nothing else I've tried worked. I had to fucking boot up a virtual machine for it.

P.S. Use onscripter to play the game by the way. Don't run the exe directly.

[Anonymous No.]

So what was the thing at the Machi Asobi event? Nothing? It's meant to be today right

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316388
It will happen in an hour. It is just FGO update, probably halloween event, not so probably next lostbelt.
link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLtjWoCmaDU for those who are interested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316449
Isn't there HF info as well? I saw on Twitter the staff were shilling the event and they had a picture of HF characters

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316518
The stream was just finished yes.
Jouji was based and they played EMIYA track too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316541
What else is there for HF?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316518
Oh that might be another stream then, I only knew about the FGO one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316585
why does Rin have an ahoge now

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316688
I didn't even notice that until your post
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316688
Because she will be the new focus on the saber wars event and had to create something for people do farm, just like people farmed saber's ahoge

[Anonymous No.]

New three illustrations of Saber, Rin and Sakura for the exhibition
https://type-moon-museum.com

>>22316688
Takeuchi already added an ahoge for Ishtar in Babylonia anime

[Fate No.]

>>22316754
Can you post the Rin and Saber illustrations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316754
Now Sakura has an ahoge

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316762

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316792
>tracing
Well at least he admits it

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316585
>>22316688
My collection grows!

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316785
since HF1 BD

[Fate No.]

>>22316792
Post the RIn illlustration

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316792
>15 years of Type-Moon
do they not include Tsukihime?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316807
>>22316809
Why is he like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316762

[Fate No.]

>>22316817
Thanks! How did you get the images? I used Inspect Element but couldn't find it

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316814
15 years of FSN. You can just read the official website https://type-moon-museum.com

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316822
I got it from the official twitter actually, couldn't save it from the website

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316814
>Presented by Fate 15th Celebration Project
>do they not include Tsukihime?
what's wrong with you anon
btw you remind me of an anon who kinda got angry because they didn't announce or mention anything about Tsukihime at FSN 15th Anniversary stage of FGO Fes

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316851
no, I was just noting that the images literally read "1 Years of Type-Moon"

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316851
no, I was just noting that the image literally read "15 Years of Type-Moon"

[Anonymous No.]

Lmao the new FGO event is so generic trash that people are actually mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316866
It's supposed to be read like this actually
>Fate/stay night
>-15年の軌跡-
>TYPE-MOON展

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316891
And Nasu is the writer of that event, and the text also says "Halloween is a Heisei thing so we're gonna do Sabers War II now" lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316891
they've gone into damage control mode and unlisted some of the videos they just released.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316891
>>22316899
Oh right, look at what our Mushroom wrote for the introduction
>Two weeks after the promised festival...

>The lotto box festival that made one rethink their life.
>The land of temptation where eggs were hunted in the amusement park.
>The high quality anime that airs every week.
>Overturning that turbulent fate, the heroes once again gather.

>Hello, Machi Asobi.
>Thank you, guests and attendees.
>And by this line, I'm sure you are prepared.
>Yes.
>This is what the next event will be. You know it, don't you?

>It has been 3 years since SW1, in which the survival of Earth, humans and Sabers were placed on the line.
>The curtains of that epic tale are once again drawn back.
>Just what is the Servant Universe?
>What is the fate entrusted to Heroine X? What are the secrets of the Space Guardians?
>The second episode of the Space Opera which smashes all these mysteries into tiny bits, await it while you daydream.

>Uh, Halloween?
>That's a relic of the Heisei era. You know that too, don't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316907
>unlisted some of the videos they just released.
They do that all the time when a new CM or new servant's NP just gets released though, also it's listed now

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316912
>We messed our dev schedule up so bad this year for seemingly no reason that we'd actually be late for halloween so it's time for me to be XD ironic with the servant universe

[Anonymous No.]

somehow this is even more offensive to be than all the way sluttier servants for being so bland and yet still trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316956
Calamity Jane's art and rarity was leaked back in fucking 2015 and after 4 years her art is so terrible

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316948
Why is their dev schedule so fucked up? They're literally a billion dollar company, it can't be lack of money

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316948
To be fair Machi Asobi was delayed due to the typhoon so the event was supposed to be announced two weeks ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316978
because they know that regardless of what they do, the majority of the fanbase will still blindly follow them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316978
they used money for live events bro
though jokes aside despite having to spend a lot of money for live events (thus they only started doing it since 2017), it also makes a lot of money back for them too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316978
we don't know if they actually planned to release SW2 for Halloween or their dev schedule got fucked up. the writer was specifically revealed to be Nasu + the event requires Solomon so some people think (read: hope) this is just false ads like what they did with CCC collab before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316978
Delight works which has to actually produce all the updates probably only gets a fragment of the money made after the TM, aniplex/sony cut etc, so they're only a mulit-million dollar company. how sad. The real bottleneck is that Nasu does the same shit george lucas used to do, overseeing everything that gets made and slapping his seal of approval or disapproval on it. All the other writers are also hack frauds that work way too slow. Other gacha games are capable of releasing story content once or twice a month because the writers actually trust each other. Nasu hired higashide and sakurai to be FGO main writers and still has to check everything they do.

[Anonymous No.]

Something about seeing not-Rin in a cowboy outfit with a katana makes me upset

[Anonymous No.]

>>22317250
It's almost been 16 fucking years since f/sn and they still have to keep milking the original 3 heroines.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22316541
Fucking awesome poster, can't wait to see the First Grail War flashbacks.
What did Jouji do exactly? Did he cosplay again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22317352
It's a situation worth devoting some thought to. If you examine the process of content production for FGO - and TM's more recent products in general - it is inevitable that you discern a characteristic double movement. On the one hand there is a constant drive for outward expansion, for more servants, more waifus, more and bigger and more explosive plotlines. Mobage in its very structure, as a business model, necessitates that content be produced in this way. But on the other hand, there is at the same time a subtler movement, a withdrawal, a constant return to FSN - an obsessive repetition of some of the elements of FSN (characters, designs, plotlines, even entire scenes). Saberfaces are the paradigmatic example. It's not just Takeuchi being a hack (though he is) and it's not just a tehepero epic meme XD. It's a kind of compulsion to repeat which speaks to a deep anxiety on the part of TM. They are afraid, timid, conservative in this regard; they are afraid of making something wholly removed from FSN. To ward off this anxiety they manifest a creative compulsion to constantly call back to FSN, as it were with self-awareness. They make different things now, but the difference is suffused with a deep sameness. And the products get eaten up by otaku - because otaku likewise don't want different things, they want 'different yet the same'. And the same is what they get. Eternal return of the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22317443
I agree with you mostly, but, to be fair, recycling is an issue that has permeated TM's entire existence.

[Anonymous No.]

does the knk novel reprint have new illustrations? looking at short blue haired touko is weirding me out in the 2 volume version

[Anonymous No.]

>>22317416
>What did Jouji do exactly? Did he cosplay again?
Yes he did, well, in a video that was recorded before. The first thing he said in that video was YOROKOBE SHOUNEN. After that there's a quiz section for the guest with Jouji revealed the Q&A (well, still in that video). When the quiz section was finished, he surprisingly (cuz the guest list only had Ueda, Sugiyama, Kawasumi and Shitaya) appeared in the stage, cosplaying Kirei and then they showed the new key visual.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>22318232
kami

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have the link of the HF stream?

[Anonymous No.]

Post nice songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEDXArkQYKM

[Anonymous No.]

>>22318485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpEF_mDkQVs

[Anonymous No.]

>>22318485
Have some Fujino theme then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80F86gROF4

[Anonymous No.]

>>22318485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M4AM2D041o

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cSKxSBKxpE

[Anonymous No.]

FUCK JAUGAURMAN WHAT IS THIS CHARACTER ASSASSINATION
FUCK PSUEDO-SEEVANTS THEYRE A SHIT STAIN ON THE LORE AND ONLY AN EXCUSE TO REUSE THE CHARACTERS FROM F/SN
FUCK FGOFAGS AND FGO

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319054
Oh, the episode is already out?
Time to shitpost then.

[Anonymous No.]

Why this dude has Kirei voice?
Well, it is better than having Saber voicing Squirrel Primate Murder.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh great, now little guda is having Emiya dillema issues. He is so empty of meaning that he had to steal the Kiritsugu and Shirou thingie.
I bet 10 dollars that he will call himself seigi no mikata.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319151
It is the King Hassan. Ya know "old man of the mountain" and that shit. He is voiced by George as well.

[Anonymous No.]

Personal slut*

[Anonymous No.]

Their bloodvessels will eventually be pure caffeine if this goes on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319054
Based.
Pseudo-servants are all fucking garbage and Jaguar Man in particular makes Babylonia impossible to take seriously, despite how fucking hard they try to up the stakes later in the story.

[Anonymous No.]

Can't say I'm surprised with that entrance.
Also, is it me or this show is structrued just like a kid's show? I mean, each episode you have a new character with some funny facts + a slow progress on the story.
Not that I am against it, but this usually means you don't have that much story to develop at all. Is this really the so famous "best written singularity"?
If that is really what FGO works, I can understand the nauseous of infodump that FGOtards suffer. They can't tolerate anything more complex than a show for kids.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319219
Forgot to put the image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319223
>that quality
Is this a cap from a livestream or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319230
I downloaded the 360p version for fast download, I'm not that eager to watch everything in high quality image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319239
I didn't know people like you could still exist in 2019 anon
I feel bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319248
Gimme a better connection and I change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319239
>>22319258
Sorry about that internet connection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319219
The best written singularity is Camelot. Babylon has a few good parts but overall it's incredibly uneven. It's in a dire need of an editor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319302
Really? People usually tell me the contrary, that Camelot was when it started to get good and than Babylon was when things got solid. But even then Babylon is not really that amazing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319328
don't listen to them.
there isn't a single good singularity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319219
"Best written singularity" is a very low bar, and far away from "good"

[Fate No.]

I hate Beasts' Lair so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>22320033
Oh, there are some nice people there. You just have to ignore the bad eggs the usually come from FGO nests.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22319328
when people talk about how great babylon is what they really mean is the EBIN SCENES in the second half

[Anonymous No.]

>>22320033
Is "Fukusawa's UBW OST is underwhelming" really that contrarian of an opinion to you?
I mean, I even heard some anons in this thread voicing that opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22320196
This. It's all spectacle. Granted that spectacle is pretty fun, but it doesn't have nearly as much substance to it due to the extremely lackluster first half. Really, aside from Gil and Merlin, every character felt like they were wasting my time.

[Fate No.]

>>22320417
Sure, Fukasawa's OST has thematic depth to it, just listen to Unlimited Blade Works

[Anonymous No.]

>>22298727
pure kino

[Anonymous No.]

Why does Nasu hates voiceacting so much? In fact, he seems to dislike that FSN has voices. Due to this, the Tsukihime remake will probably not have voices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22321203
VAs can give you impressions of characters, not based on dialogue, but based on tone. IMO Sakura's VA saying "senpai" all the time would be much more bearable if it was just text and not an actual human being saying it.
This might be why. His reason could be totally different. Some lore bot will probably link an interview saying something about it, I'm not about to do that though. No voices = faster-reading speed, so I'm all for it. VNs are supposed to be glorified otaku books anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22321203
>Why does Nasu hates voiceacting so much?
In the past i think. It feels like he has started liking it since CCC (there's an interview where he mentioned the voice acting in CCC, especially about Hayami Saori - Melt's VA) and now he's usually giving VAs advice and help them right during the recording. But maybe this is just the case for games/anime, not VN but then
>From the start I had a strong desire to present show a long-form romance piece with sex appeal, so I thought a sound novel would be good.
basically we just don't know what's in the Mushroom's mind

[Anonymous No.]

>>22321203
you have to realize that nasu is an old fuck and when he grew up full voiceacting wasn't common.

he's still trying to be a fucking game developer and keeps pretending that fgo is an rpg, he's just chasing the high he got as a kid/teenager playing shit like final fantasy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22321732
I still like both no voice and "shit" like final fantasy. The real issue here is not what whatever virgin otaku here or in japan thinks is good, the thing is that VO is not necessary for a VN experience and doing it takes a lot of time. This just delays TsukiRE and that is the real shit here. Wants some voice? It can always be done later, make it as a patch or whatever.
Don't create egoistic reasons that just delay what we want, that is dumb and surely goes against you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22321858
VA recording doesn't delay jack shit because your script is the very first thing you should have locked in as the rest of the team works on playtesting and graphic creation. You can literally hire one of several companies to handle the entire process for you

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/morikai3/status/1188394917380292608?s=19

Some HF3 news; Takahiro Miura is in charge of Saber Alter vs Rider and the fight in the Einzbern forest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22322956
>Takahiro Miura is in charge of the fight in the Einzbern forest
Welp, there goes any hope of Nine Bullet Revolver being faithful in terms of representing how brief of a fight it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323176
Face it, boomer, the movies have made the HF fights way more entertaining than they were in the source material.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323344
Fuck no. What an awful opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323682
Not him but I agree, HF movie fights are better than the VN's except for Lancer Vs Assassin

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323344
I know you're trying to shitpost, but aside from Lancer vs TA I genuinely loved how the HF movies have portrayed every fight, especially Saber Alter vs Berserker.This one especially is wonderfully storyboarded and has some of the most creative usage of terrain I've ever seen in a Fate fight, all courtesy of Miura. So I'm not mindlessly bashing him, it's just that his tendency to go completely over the top with his action scenes, while complementing a clash of titans like Alter and Berserker's fight very well, could end up ruining one of the things that made Nine Bullet Revolver so special.
>boomer
I'm 21 kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>22321945
Which is clearly not what would happen, right? Nasu is one of those authors who stalk all artists and orient them on what you should do.
And remember, this is a fucking VN, probably the Remake is the same size as FSN now, it will take a lot of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323344
You no that as long as the narration on those moments are not included, no flashy animations or whatever will make it as good as the source material right? It is even not a question about the person who is doing it, it is that adaptations will always reduce the amount of information that is in the source material, and that is reducing quality, period.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323759
>this is a fucking VN
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323688
In general the adaptions improve over the original visual novel in most regards. People only say otherwise to be apart of some super special club where they soldiered through a horrible translation for 100+ hours. The adaptions don't waste your time or hurt your eyes with horrible artwork. Plus the remixes are way better. The only thing bad about HF's adaption is not enough Illya, but she's not a great character anyway so whatever

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323849
Ok, after what you said, I think I am being dumb because you clearly are baiting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323822
Do you have one to prove your point though? I would truly like to see evidence of TsukiRE not being a VN cause that would surely be the final nail in the coffin and make me move on with my life.
C'mon anon, do it, help someone to get out of this hell that is TM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323849
Clearly bait. You didn't even try lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323344
That's because the fights so far had been the appetizers.
NLBW, Rider vs Saber Alter, Rin vs Sakura
and Shirou vs Kirei are the fights that actually matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323176
Indeed, why does ufo's best action director handle important action scenes? What a mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

Do we know who animated and directed the Saber Alter vs Berserker fight because christ that fight was a mess, I could not tell what was going on at all. Was it Miura?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22324666
>, I could not tell what was going on at all.
Are you retarded? Do your eyes have problems following flashing images or fast movement?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22324671
Yes, and what the fuck is wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22324678
Nothing, but you should understand that people with normal functioning eyes will enjoy flashy action scenes a lot more than you by default. Don't expect an anime movie of all things to cater to you in that regard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22323710
Sudou is the main director. At the least, he okay'd the storyboards, or likely asked Miura to draw them that way. Because those are his movies. Blame him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22324684
Same goes to you pal, I have healthy vision, grasped all frames and I agree with anon, it was a mess. There were some parts that were ok, but whevever you have too much movement and have to go fast because the scene needs to fit with music, then yes it gets messy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22324684
It's all flash and no substance to me. What I liked about the VN is that each attack feels like there's some kind of brutal weight to it. And even though DEEN's fights are not as well animated as ufotable's, I feel they at least capture that weight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22324814
DEEN's fights are terrible, the way they captured Berserker's "weight" is turning him into a total colossus that barely moves, which is just inaccurate. This is without going into how laughably bad and low effort the animation was at times.
ufotable has a far more accurate depiction of the Servants and their abilities. The Saber Alter vs Berserker fight perfectly depicts what a clash between 2 severely overpowered Servants would look like, and communicates how much stronger Saber is and how she has unlimited mana now that allows her to spam Exaclibur, without having to resort to a status screen like the VN. I could totally feel the weight of that fight and it honestly left me in awe when I first watched it, all the different ways that Saber manages to kill Berserker were awesome to see and each felt distinctive. Curious that people have such divergent opinions on this though, to me HF movies have been great so far, and HF2 is easily one of my favorite TM anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22324814
> captured the weight behind it
> Archer blocks one of Berserker's blows with K&B
> he then gets slammed into a wall by him and is fine afterwards

[Anonymous No.]

>>22324858
>all the different ways that Saber manages to kill Berserker were awesome to see and each felt distinctive
This was my favorite aspect of how they depicted the fight by far, they actually tried when it came to differentiating between the various ways Saber killed Berserker
>first kill : Saber simply slashes Berserker in half using the tendrills to bring him to her
>second kill : she uses some sort of gigantic dark flame spell
>third kill : Hammer of the Wind King (fucking awesome callback to one of her supers in Unlimited Codes)
>fourth kill : summons a giant fire pillar
>final kill : Excalibur (took seven of his lives, living him with only one life against Shirou)

[Anonymous No.]

This piece of text is an example of what makes me engaged with Type-Moon works.
There are lots of other scenes that are flashy on other anime and movies (and even better than what ufotable did) and I don't give a fuck about them. And I never will. Nasu is a good novelist, not an animator. And I want Nasu novels, not that bullshit crap that people will forget as soon as another flashy anime appear, you posers.
If FSN was just a flashy action anime, I wouldn't be wasting my time with weeb subjects.
Go back to your FGO nest, retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325096
If you just admit you outright don't give a fuck about animation, then why even bother discussing this in the first place?
No one argued that HF movies replace the visual novel you absolute numbskull, just that they're good adpatations of the fights to an entirely different medium.
Did you want them to dump the Nasu text in the middle of the movie? You're either baiting or way stupider than I imagined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325112
Also
>anyone who disagrees with me is an FGOshitter

I think you're the one who should go back to wherever you came from with your FGOfag strawman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325112
Actually the person above who is baiting clearly said it makes things better than the source.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325096
I heavily agree with this. Fights that are conveyed through text, when done well, are far better than any flashy effects action scene in an anime. The ufotable fights are only good at the moment you watch them, getting you hyped and intense, but they are forgettable. VN fights stick in your mind. I'll never forget how 5 seconds was turned was easily turned into 5 minutes of one of the greatest, most descriptive fight scenes I've ever seen in Hollow Ataraxia.
>>22325112
>No one argued that HF movies replace the visual novel
Yes they did dumbass. This conversation literally started when someone said the movie fights are better than the VN fights.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325127
>>22325128
If you mean just the Saber Alter vs Berserker fight then yeah, I would argue it's better depicted than the VN in several ways. But it really doesn't fucking matter because the VN already exists and is the definitive way to experience the story as a whole, regardless of which fights come out better or worse in the anime. I certainly don't read Nasu for fight scenes anyway, even in Mahoyo where they're really impressive, that's not his strongest point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325069
How do these kill him, when nothing short of A rank should even register as damage to him?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325139
> and is the definitive way to experience the story as a whole
If you prove to me that was his argument, ok, I stop there.
>In general the adaptions improve over the original visual novel in most regards.
>People only say otherwise to be apart of some super special club where they soldiered through a horrible translation for 100+ hours.
>The adaptions don't waste your time or hurt your eyes with horrible artwork. Plus the remixes are way better. The only thing bad about HF's adaption is not enough Illya, but she's not a great character anyway so whatever
I find it hard to think it will be the case though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325160
My guess is that Sakura's nigh-infinite mana pool allows Saber to bruteforce her way into A rank with every single one of her attacks.
>inb4 strength!=rank
I know, but keep in mind that what's supplying her directly with ridiculous amout of prana is the grail, an utmost sacred device that is shrouded in divine mystery. That's gotta count for something right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325128
>but they are forgettable
Speak for yourself. It's been two months since I watched HF2 and I still vividly remember the Alter and Berserker fight. It really struck a chord with me, with how well paced and sequenced it is. Most of all, it's the storyboarding, choreography and animation that really stuck with me, the way the fight was directed gave it a great sense of progression despite how chaotic it was, with Saber and Berserker traversing and destroying various segment of the castle by circling around it until they stop at the central courtyard ; moreover, a lot of the animation techniques used in conjunction with the sakuga cuts made for some very memorable sequences, and said sakuga cuts are legitimately incredibly impressive, especially when combined with ufotable digital FX. All in all, to me that fight was something way more than a "flashy but forgettable stunt". There are many ways an anime fight can achieve the same degree of memorability as a well written fight scene, and to label animation as a medium that is inferior for fight scenes is incredibly dismissive.
>>22325178
>>22325096
Why the fuck are you even giving this much credit to a mindless shitpost whose very goal was to rile you up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325460
>Why the fuck are you even giving this much credit to a mindless shitpost whose very goal was to rile you up?
You're actively contributing to the discussion, not only that you are agreeing with the shitpost. Speak for yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325515
>You're actively contributing to the discussion
I was just disagreeing with the guy who said that the all the anime fights were forgettable. Aside from taking issue with that statement I have no interest for this conversation.
>you are agreeing with the shitpost
How the fuck? When the fuck did I shit on the VN? I only defended the movie, how the hell does that suddenly make me dismiss and insult the VN, my gateway into TM?
You just want to stir up shit, don't you

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325460
>It's been two months since
And it has been more than ten years for me with pretty much any VN I read. And you know one thing that is funny? People at the time DEEN was released actually taught the scenes were good. Everybody who watched, as an example, Archer doing a complete run of the UBW (which is something that no anime adapted to show him do the full thing, no idea why, that would be something that VN does that could be for the better).
But nobody fucking remembers that anymore. And the fact that people call it shit just reinforces it.
There will be a time when this anime will be seen as shit again and the same thing will happen, because people will focus too much on the bad berserker frames and 3DCG which is the single aspect that most gets horrible with time because 3D modeling gets better and better.
>Why the fuck are you even giving this much credit to a mindless shitpost whose very goal was to rile you up?
Because there are people actually helping continue this charade by defending his pov.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22324666
>>22324671
>>22324858
>>22325128
>>22325139
>deen is bad now
>zero anime is bad now
>ubw anime is bad now
>hf2 is bad now

The ufotable anime was fucking excellent and Nasu himself was intimately involved with it. Can’t wait for the inevitable contrarians to say HF3 is shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325694
Why did you quote me multiple times even though I praised the HF movies?
But yeah DEEN is awful, the only good aspect of it is the Kenji Kawai soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22324666
>Was it Miura?

Yeah, we should have had Miura direct the entire thing and make the entire movie about Lancer vs True Assassin-esque action kowtowing to Nasu's demands to rewrite the entire route. Surely Nasu's rewrites would be great for Sakura, what with how he personally wrote Parvati to be a neglected pile of nothing and Kama to be a slutty villain who cries pathetically as the cast gangs up on and mocks her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325704
HF movie is awful, the only good aspect is the Yuki Kaijura soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.]

ganbatte ne

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325731
Nice try. You'd have to be fucking blind to not appreciate the detailed backgrounds and the effort clearly put into every scene compared to the DEEN anime, which looked pitiful 99% of the time.
This applies to UBW anime as well by the way, it puts DEEN in the dumpster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325694
HF for an anime is indeed excelent.
Now, as a general piece of art, compared to the VN it is very lacking. That is my case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22320417
>>22320871
>Nasu working closely with ufo
>removes all eroge elements from canonical releases
>admits the VN came on too strong in UBW interview
>preferred Miura's vision of a single flowing over the VN puzzle

Several characters are retooled for the anime adaptation to match up better to how Nasu feels he would write them now.

Nasu wanted to stick in a Rider vs. Saber battle on the roof because he felt that maybe the scene where Rider is knocked out of the running might be a little over the top, but Miura felt that he needed that to leave an impression.

The episodes Miura personally worked on for UBW were mostly pretty great (Director: 0, 23, 25; Storyboard: 0, 3, 10, 13, 15, 21[fuck this one], 23, 25), and he has a great handle on action.

In the original script the show had dialogue that Kinoko Nasu deleted because, "when the art is good, you don't need to spell it out.". there's an element of "show, don't tell" to it. Initially, Nasu didn't have as many comedic bits in the VN, but he added more in because of the VN's length and that he sees Shirou as someone who never truly smiles. Thus the anime may have fewer comedic bits compared to the VN.

Nasu worked closely with Ufotable on the UBW anime and he even suggested every change. Essentially, he perfected his vision of a FSN UBW adaptation together with Ufotable and it was very good. 4chan contrarians (/fgog/ and /tmg/) will tell you otherwise, of course

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325744
That was a joke though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325755
>>22325744
HF was fucking incredible so anyone who shits on it is a monkey brained retard. It not only faithfully adapted the route perfectly it even enhanced aspects of it.

Nasu literally praised Sudou for being able to do what he couldn't. Die mad about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325759
He always says this though and in the end it always become "each version a different timeline". Nasu doesn't put TM works over others.
Believe me, even onscripter Tsukihime will be a timeline by itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325780
Oh yeah a japanese folowing japanese ettiquete is an indication that the guy did a better work and that proves the VN is shit.
OMG you people are so fucking intelligent. Really.
Ok guys, let's close the thread, go back to our normal life, the guy just proved that Nasu hates writing, he will just ask people to do the trend work anyway, after all.
Boy, you really made me laugh now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325665
Ninja Scroll is 25 years old and people still wank over how good it looks. Same goes for EoE, Ghost in the Shell, Akira and a bunch of other "old" movies. HF2 is going to age just well.
Not to mention you're fucking exaggerating about the reception of DEEN's Fate. The people who liked it back then , thought it was simply just passable for the contemporary year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325112
>>22325096
>>22325460
>>22325128
>>22325112
>>22325845
>go to /tmg/ to talk about non-Fate Typemoon stuff
>/tmg/ is self proclaimed "general for true TM fans"
>all of them EOP who spam pics and crying about FGO
>seething about HF

HF is by far the best when it comes to tone, the other adaptations feel half-assed by comparison.

/tmg/ is on suicide watch because they are the new secondaries

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325858
This. Even Nasu prefers the adaptions. Just give it up, TYPE-MOON isn't for you guys anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325858
>>/tmg/ is self proclaimed "general for true TM fans"
Since when?

>all of them EOP who spam pics and crying about FGO
Objectively false, we're far from an EOP exclusive general.

>seething about HF
Did you not see that there was literally just a discussion about the movies, which was half in favor of the adaptation and half criticizing it? In which I personally defended it and praised its fights, but you still chose to quote my posts anyway? Why are you pretending that /tmg/ is one person?

Now that you got that bait out of your system, back to your dead game in your /vg/ shithole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325858
Literally only one anon is grumbling about the HF adaptation, get off of your high horse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325845
Well, of course, the budget was low. Considering ufotables budget, I would say it was just as good, considering both the time expectation and pattern + money + experence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325858
>HF is by far the best when it comes to tone, the other adaptations feel half-assed by comparison.
Yes, in the context of adaptations, you are 100% right.
But comparing to a written media, it is too much double standards.

[Anonymous No.]

Funny how when FSN originally came out, Sakura was almost uniformly hated, and it took an adaption for people to realize how good she is. Now she's up there with Rin in popularity.

Maybe the adaptions really ARE better, hmmm?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325885
>>22325892
>UBW adaption makes changes
>waaaah shit adaption! fuck Miura! fucked up Kara no Kyoukai 6 with his utter incompetence
>HF adaption makes changes
>OMG Sudou is a god! Best adaption EVER!

Nice double standards

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325916
Who are you quoting you stupid faggot? I thoroughly enjoyed both the UBW anime and HF movies, even if the latter are somewhat better directed in my opinion.
Guess I'll just stop giving you attention for now since you're clearly here to farm (You)s.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325885
Are you just trolling here or are you legit autistic? /tmg/ loves FGO. It's really, really sad someone complaining about your favorite series gets you this upset.

[Anonymous No.]

Look, I am not saying HF is shit. There is no reason for me to do that.
But I won't compare it to the VN and say it is better. And so just to be clear, I am not saying that the visuals of the VN are better, I am not crazing at doing so.
Each media has its positives and you as an individual should stick to what is your preference.
Now, don't go saying that the VN is shit just because it is not of your preference, because that is dishonest. That is the problem here that make me still argue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325899
So basically: if things would be different ...then things would be different?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325845
I'll admit, I mostly like DEEN fate as a guilty pleasure. My own issue with ufotable is that I don't like their art style, which is an issue I have with even their non TM work. Honestly Heaven's feel at least looks better than UBW, even if I have my own hang ups with ufotable in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325934
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325858
>>22325869
>>22325885
>>22325928
I'm going to assume you've never read the VN.

Ufotable is literally worst thing than happened with TM. First they bothered KnK with fillers and original content completely missed point of KnK. Than F/Z shitty garbage adaptation pandered to Nolan fans. And UBW Miura's vomit with no monologues flashy fights with bad animation full of CGI (Rho Aias vs Gae Bolg is literally CG shit) and fillers. Now HF nonsense. with Sudou fanfiction, bad direction and pandering to GOfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325950
Top kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325915
The way Ufo ucked up Illya's parts makes that claim false

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325957
>no argument
Concession accepted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325950
Ok, so we have bait from both sides. NOW things got interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325950
VERY bad CookingPriest impression

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325928
Anon, no one was arguing that the VN was shit or anything aside from that one shitposter >>22323849, who somehow managed to garner the attention of the entire thread. And everyone gave him exactly what he wanted, so I guess he's the only winner here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325950
The best part is that the last post marked is clearly not related to the other three.

[Anonymous No.]

Shhhh anons only maids now

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325976
Then the other posts who said the VN was shit was him faking? If that is it, yeah, I have fallen to his trickery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325992
hello andrew
...I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326010
Stop it twitterfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326018
Oh c'mon, I know you follow those doujin artists to see the latest fap material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326010
I'm not andrew and I don't use twitter. Who the fuck is andrew?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326042
You craving attention on 4chan just cause someone posted maids is absolutely fucking pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326066
>>22326042
I just like kohaku and hisui, didn't know it was a twitter thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326066
I am actually just repeating what someone did when Andrew was here. No attention needed, ignore me as you want.
Unless you have a pussy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326087
Lurk more newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326047
A Kohaku lover on twitter that sometimes post maids to calm people down, just like you did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326092
No.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, so now there are actually people saying the ufotable adaptations are better then VN overall. Great. And then they back it up by taking the authors opinion which is absolute... Alright then. Makes sense. Fuck forming your own opinion, if Nasu says it's better then what he could do, he must be right. It's not like UBW fucked up the main character, the most important part of the route, or anything like that. It's not like the HF movies purposely cut out key Illya scenes which are necessary in order to understand the conclusion. Those scenes weren't needed anyway, just filler.

Ufotable is by far not the worst thing that's happened to TM. We all know that's FGO. But the Ufotable adaptations are FLAWED. This is proven ffs. You can't actually say Shirou is the same character in UBW as he is in the VN. That's straight up false. You can like parts of them, sure, but calling them better then the VN in terms of any writing perspective will land you in the "delusional" territory. Now fuck this conversation and lets talk about maids.

>>22325869
>TYPE-MOON isn't for you guys anymore
Don't think there's a single person in this thread who disagrees. We don't want modern TYPE-MOON.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326094
Why the fuck did you feel it was a good idea to call out twitter faggots by name?
Lurk more

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326094
Huh, I just do that here sometimes. Kohaku is just a lovely girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326101
Talk to the first one who did it, faggot. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326100
>It's not like UBW fucked up the main character, the most important part of the route, or anything like that.

Explain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326100
>Don't think there's a single person in this thread who disagrees. We don't want modern TYPE-MOON.
That is certainly true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22325976
>>22325999
>>22326100
>muh inner monologues
That would like double the amount of episodes and we would get 5 minute still shots of Shirou talking to himself about the same stuff and multiple flashbacks of the same stuff and multiple repeating explanations of spells and magic circuits. Is that what you want?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326136
>people act like newfag retards so that means I'm allowed to
>>>/v/
>>>/vg/

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326152
What about the remake?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326155
There is a difference between adapting a part of the narration and completely excluding it, you know.
That scene from UBW where Last Stardust plays kinda does that, although not completely, and it is good. Just follow that steps. Make heavy dialogue episodes have no opening and ending if necessary (it is not like we need to see them all the time anyway).

[Fate No.]

>>22326137
muh monologues probably which is a stupid criticism to hate the adaption given differences of the medium

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326174
We'll find out in the afterlife.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326155
>>22326137
>>22326195
Its a completely fair criticism when the main character loses all sorts of rationale and intelligence if his thought process is barely portrayed or portrayed at all. There are infinite ways to adapt this to the anime medium, and ufotable does absolutely none. Nobody here is suggesting a bunch of monologues or anything that would replicate a more VN-ish format to something that clearly isn't a VN.
A bit of a niche example, and one people might not agree on, but the Twelve Kingdoms anime added 2 original characters which served to be different parts of the main character, and propelled those struggles within her in order for the character development to come out the same as the source in the end. In turn, the original source light novel had very well done monologuing and was without those characters. This is just one of the ways to do it, I'm definitely not suggesting this, but anime is a very diverse medium and the visuals can help in this just as much (just look at Utena ffs). The ufotable adaptation is very lazy in this regard, as Shirou is an irrational idiot and generic shounen protagonist when you don't show his thought process or his Survivor's Guilt.

[Anonymous No.]

So, let's talk about how shitty the new artwork from the Remake is and how most probably it will be shitted on FGO influences.

[Fate No.]

>>22326407
>putting the adaption of of a visual novel and adaption of a novel on the same pedestal
if you're going to argue, you're supposed to compare the adaption of FSN to another VN adaption e.g S;G or Rewrite

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326100
> You can't actually say Shirou is the same character in UBW as he is in the VN. That's straight up false.
It takes a re-watch, but yes, anime!Shirou is more or less the same as the one from the VN.
There are parts that suffer from his lack of inner-monologues (him wailing on Archer, while he's saving him from Caster being the most notorious), but with the knowledge people later pick up, they can put those ones into the right context.
I mean it's not like Rin, Archer, Saber and Gilgamesh + those fucking thousand-yard stares that Shirou often gives don't hammer it in that Shirou is fucking insane.

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>>22326430
Context of was pic related?

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>>22326422
A light novel and a VN aren't too far apart. Both are narratives, both have some level of illustrations. Both can sometimes be dependent on dialogue with barely any monologue (Clannad, Monogatari) and both can be dependent on monologuing (Fate, Twelve Kingdoms). VNs usually have audio and light novels don't.
It's a slight misconception that VNs are harder to adapt, but it's just that VN companies don't exactly make enough money for competent studios and people to make decent anime. LNs sell more and are owned by big-name publishers, and in turn are more likely to sell after the anime airing since it isn't as niche of a product as a VN is.

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>>22326411
The artwork has been criticized ever since it came out, this isn't new. I honestly don't care as long as the writing is solid.

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>>22326521
They also can be both affected by illustrations and audio, there's some VNs that sell a CD bundled with the book for expanded experience.

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>>22326557
>there's some VNs that sell a CD bundled with the book for expanded experience.
that's retarded, if people have to resort to other mediums to get a better perspective of the story or the characters then the author has failed in telling his story.

besides Saber, EMIYA, Berserker and Caster, the rest of the FSN Servants weren't fleshed out at all within any of the routes.

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>>22326570
Oh sorry, wrote the wrong one, I meant novels.
Also, that would be a suggestion, no?

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>>22326570
>that's retarded, if people have to resort to other mediums to get a better perspective of the story or the characters then the author has failed
Nasu does this a lot, there's a bunch of character material stuff which we otherwise wouldn't know about since it isn't mentioned in the source. Game novels aren't quite uncommon you know. Drakengard has quite a bit of Novella which isn't necessarily essential to understanding the story or characters, but is, as he said, an "expanded experience". Its extra stuff. You're misunderstanding.

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>>22326595
Sry for the mistype of expendend.

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>>22324858
>>22325069
>painfully boring and uninspired adaptation that confuses slow, drawn-out scenes with competent direction, and one that doesn't even have decent animation once you see past the rotoscoping and the bazillion lights and effects

HF's original story being good is literally the only thing that makes it remotely watchable, even though the movies' ineptitude butchers much of its emotional impact.

>>22326430
The UBW anime isn't great. Its okay enough as a solo watch, but if you get any deeper into Fate you will realize how much they botched it in retrospect.

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>>22326652
>deeper into Fate you will realize how much they botched it in retrospect.
Basically yea. It was my gateway into Fate and I loved it at the time, but after reading the VN and then rewatching it, it was pretty flawed in adaptation standards.

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>>22325927
Baiting this hard should be illegal.

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>>22326660
And frankly, not adapting everything is somewhat ok. I mean, the job of an animation is to be a good animation. Well, it is.
I usually treat adaptation as a curiosity and experiment like "how this fight scene would be if I saw it in action?". I usually don't care too much about the missed text 'cause that is already pretty common.

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You know what will be funny?
The day we have an anime adaptation of Mahoyo.

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>>22326763
Mahoyo gets shit on alot but it's mostly just the usual autists and faggot who swallow down memes without thinking for themselves.

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>>22326763
Its basically animated already, so this wouldn't be too bad IMO.
>>22326772
I'm sorry, I've never heard this opinion ever. Nobody hates on Mahoyo, especially when the general English population hasn't read it.

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>>22326705
>Based schizo

Not every post that you don''t like are baits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22326783
>especially when the general English population hasn't read it.
>same EOP shitposters

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>>22326792
Don't exactly get what you mean, but I have read it.

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>>22326010
>>22326047
Been a while since I've seen this and never for an Andrew.

Not shitposting when I say this, the Twitter tangents are fun. Like having a go at the neighbor.

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>>22326407
how to recognize Fai:
>walls of text about how perfect UBW Shirou is
>walls of text about how bad UBW/HF anime is
>walls of text about Miura
>walls of text about how awful FGO is
>walls of text about perfection of F/SN and Tsuki
>walls of text about old deep Nasuverse

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>>22326763
You ever think Nasu wishes he can work on non Servant stuff for the moon again, but is in despair since he knows it would bomb like Mahōtsukai no Yoru?

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>>22326824
Stop spouting lies and misinterpreting the idea behind making something.

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>>22326824
He has had enough money to do anything he wants for a while now. If anything bombed, it would be the smallest dent ever in TYPE-MOON.

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>>22326848
>>22326854
The remake of Extra series (yes, not just the original Fate/Extra game) is in Nasu's "things that must be done when Nasu Kinoko is still alive" list. You tell me.

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>>22326816
That's the same as the average /tmg/ anon.

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So, I bet my candy money that Fate/Extra Remake will release before Tsukihime Remake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22298727
Is Neco Arc fuckable?

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>>22326918

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>>22326763
After Mahoyo 2 & 3, anon

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>>22326816
Who the fuck is Fai? And you do realize where you are, right?

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So, we got two issues on the FGO community which are Osakabehime Japanenglish and the disappoint that was the substitution of Halloween for a Rin based Star Wars-event.
Do you think this will hurt the playerbase, assuming it keeps going like this?

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>>22327048
> he doesn't know Fai/Cookingpriest

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>>22327080
>Osakabehime Japanenglish
That's nothing compared to this

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>>22327118
Oh yeah, there's also that one, did it got a lot of backlash though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22327141
Yes, even reddit don't defend NA anymore.

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>>22326918
I've fapped to her before. So yes.

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>>22327080
The majority of FGO players do not pay attention to the script nor the quality of events, so no.
Even if they are butthurt about it now they'll be over it in a few weeks. These types of communities tend to have short memories

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>>22327080

Osakabehime honestly feels blown out of proportion with people purposefully cherrypicking all the scenes where she speaks in Japanenglish and ignoring everything in between where she talks normally nor the fact that is basically saying the same thing as the fan translation. It doesn't change anything about her either really, she is a fujoshi/otaku princess. Honestly I am interested to hear their reason however since I have a good feeling it boils down to her originally speaking in a manner which English can't replicate and/or her having traits that only someone from Japan would catch and her manner of speech in the NA version is trying to replicate that.

On a lesser note, this whole outrage is pretty rich coming from people for the whom the majority give the impression that they care for nothing beyond memes and fanart. Then you have the minority who settle for three language translations as if we're still living mere years or decades after Christ.

>>22327118

This on the other hand is more egregious and really spells it out that the NA version of FGO is about topping off pocketbooks and not expanding the franchise or giving a damn about overseas fans.

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>>22328268
>Honestly I am interested to hear their reason however since I have a good feeling it boils down to her originally speaking in a manner which English can't replicate and/or her having traits that only someone from Japan would catch and her manner of speech in the NA version is trying to replicate that.
Ahn, I actually play FGO and do all the thingies, even though I still hate it as your typical tmg. You can call me a FGO hater that has no prejudice. Why I play if I hate it? Well, I like to make valid arguments.
Anyway, she never talks like that in japanese, the translation was clearly a thing from the localization team, she talks normal, veeery normal, which is very translatable. I can explain each part of the sintax + kanji possibilities if you so wish.
Also, even if they were to try to make her otaku personality evident, no weeb or otaku (western or japanese) talk like that. The only cases are as a joke, but the common weeb actually talks complete japanese expressions, not half talk it. Every weeb respects the language and doing that would exactly do the contrary.
NEET, otaku and hikikomori would be the same case, with the respective proportions.
There is literally 0 reason to localize like that, aside from they being retarded (the japanese side who gave ok doesn't care, so don't use them as argument please).

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>>22328347

I had a feeling it probably didn't have anything to do with her manner of speech, which is why I also supposed that there was something about her originally that would clue Japanese readers in to the fact that she is something else behind her princess facade. There is likely no stereotype of a person that you could say is 1:1 between the West and Japan.

I'm still interested in hearing their reasoning before flying off the handle, not that doing the latter will accomplish much of anything. I will possibly lay the blame at Japan's feet however since it is they who control the purse strings and I'm sure the NA version of FGO has surely made enough to be able to afford a full time in house localization staff instead of the current arrangement where the translation is farmed out and then edited by a handful of Aniplex employees who at the same time are responsible for either other things about the NA version of FGO or Aniplex US' distributions.

Japan should thank its lucky stars that the Western fanbase will settle for memes, otherwise they'd have a dumpster fire on their hands or would actually have to put in effort.

With what is supposedly going on with the Japanese version of the game I wonder if the wheels are starting to come off and the NA version of the game post Part 1 was the first sign.

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>>22326652
>one that doesn't even have decent animation once you see past the rotoscoping and the bazillion lights and effects
Wanna know how I know you don't know shit about animation?

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>>22328554
Nobody cares.

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>>22328268
it misrepresents her character, yes, she is a otaku princess, sure, but in the original script she has a contrasting high, pretentious way of speaking but occasionally some netspeak slips through because she's an otaku.

in the English translation, none of her speech patterns could be said to be to be equivalently pretentious or overly embellished. she speaks fairly normally when she isn't spouting bad, obscure Twitter memes. by the way, that's the other issue; in the original script she mostly uses fairly well known terms, which aren't even exclusive to otaku really, but in the translation she doesn't use anything equivalent, and some of the stuff she's spouting are pretty much exclusive to some Twitter circles of ironic weebs trannies (no, I'm not joking, one of them even took credit for inventing this 'meme' and started gleefully posting about it)

but, honestly, who cares. the FGO translation has been a laughing stock from the beginning

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>>22328569
Then stop saying stupid shit that only makes you look like a retard.

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>>22328588

To me a misrepresentation would be adding words to her speech which have absolutely nothing to do with her as a character. The Japanenglish may be heavy handed, but it's not out of the question when one thinks of a stereotypical Western otaku.

I'm no expert, but I simply don't think it's possible to completely represent certain speech patterns from Japanese into English since English does not really have the trope of a person using a variation of a word and thus being able to glean something about them. With regards to terms, this is again something I would like to see them address since it sounds like a case where there is really no direct equivalent and the best one could attempt would be something similar.

Outside of grammar and possibly terminology (The latter of which I can't really blame them for when it seems like the only thing the powers that be care about is that Altria is used), I think the translation has been decent. I believe that if egregious cases had been present from the beginning (Such as the Shimousa line above or Shinjuku supposedly) at least a handful of people would have said something instead of complaining that they didn't use a fan name for one of the craft essences (Said fan name not even being real Italian).

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>>22329178
>The Japanenglish may be heavy handed, but it's not out of the question when one thinks of a stereotypical Western otaku.
It LITERALLY is. the origin of her speech is a fucking NA twitter meme, nobody talks like this. not even the "what a kawaii morning" girl talked like this.