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Superior theory edition

>> No.22292433
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if you like it or not send to me your opinion,advise or critique because with these i can improve my manifesto.
pls i put many effort and time to do the pic so WATCH IT!!!!!

p.s: ...AHEM.... LAMBDA SAID:
There was an exception clause in the original, but for this game IN RED('the detective isn't a culprit') has been proclaimed in red, so you don't need to consider the exception. (Referring to Knox's 7th)


>> No.22292437

for the life of me I can't figure out the 'storks sound like machine guns', maybe because I've spent a lot of time around the birds and some with rifles, but I just can't hear it

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erikantrice is the only true
image fusion many bullshit lie you obtain only a big bullshit lie.
i can kill all theory with only a sentence:


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boy have I not heard that word in a loooooooong time

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Revelations 16:12-14
>12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon that great river Euphrates and dried up the water thereof, that a way might be prepared for the kings from the rising of the sun.
13 And I saw from the mouth of the dragon and from the mouth of the beast and from the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working signs: and they go forth unto the kings of the whole earth, to gather them to battle against the great day of the Almighty God.

>> No.22292497

finally finished umineko after a few months and all I have are questions. so the episodes were all fictional stories wrote by battler? what was the point of the metaworld, why would witches be messing about in fiction stories, is it supposed to represent the public trying to solve the rokkenjima mystery? then was the real explanation given to ange just a lie too? i really didn't get any of the metaworld after 6 and definitely not in 8.

>> No.22292509

Episodes 1 and 2 were by Yasu
3 and on were by Battler
Meta world Battler is the identity of Battler that Tohya lost at sea.
I recommend reading the Episode 8 manga if you haven't already. Lots of further clarification and other bonus content

>> No.22292510

yasu is ikuko
all the game between battler and beatrice was the magic version of ikuko try to get back battler memories by made him solve her stories about rokkenjima

>> No.22292557

So what the fuck happened at the end? Did the calamities stop because Miyao killed himself? Or is he still alive and all the space pillars shit will happen after the truce?

>> No.22292558

i'll check out the manga since while i understood what 8 was trying to say in regards to the truth not being the end all be all and that ange (stand in for the player) shouldn't solely care about the truth and be willing to accept some "magic" in life (magic/witches in umineko being imagination and coping, as seen by ange's use of the stakes and maria using witch stuff to deal with rosa's abuse)
but absolutely everything with the metaworld invasion turned my brain into pudding, if the manga fixes that then it'd be great

>> No.22292570

the manga is a complite shit
change add and remove half of the story for made shkanontrice works!!!!

>> No.22292602

>Did the calamities stop because Miyao killed himself?
I still don't understand how that could happen. I feel like blue Miyao was lying when he said that, or that because program Miyao was alive he'd kill the people responsible for saving mankind through the factory. The factory wipes away the pain and thus program Miyao is imposing it all on his friends by denying it.

Either way I don't think he's dead. Last we see of Miyao is him covered in Lingji's guts right? And the truce happens right after, humanity will slowly die from the calamities.

>> No.22292667

Meow is the spy. She wants a body of her own and is helping the kings with the brain in a jar VR conspiracy. It's suspicious that she was spying Jayden at the game center. She's probably dating him just to cover up her true intentions because she was caught. It's pointed out really early that she can hide memories from Miyao (which is a given, so why point it out) and spends a lot of time going to weird places in town while Miyao isn't there. She is the traitor. Who else could've given Toujirou they password for their gauntlet at the very end? Only Miyao and Meow should be able to give those away.

Alternatively, Miyao is a program Toujirou put in her brain. He doesn't give a fuck about Meow because he only cares about his "son", the murder program he inserted in her brain. Isn't it weird how they have a sibling relationship but their dad ignores the existence of one of them? He only cares about his program.

>> No.22292686

Overriding gauntlets is Toujiro's privilege, it's listed in the character tips.
I also doubt that Kings want to end up with the factory.

>> No.22292697

Meow is way too perfect to be true. The last time a girl was this cute and sweet, she turned out to be the culprit who was killing everyone out of a suicide wish.

>> No.22292724

I wanted to say you shouldn't base your assumptions of freaking Yasu but then I realized Higurashi's 'cute and sweet' girls were Rena and Rika, both of who are very suspect

>> No.22292760

>My whole way of thinking has changed, I remember that I was afraid of the dark, I trusted people but after umineko I never believed in something without valid proof in logic and now thanks umineko i am at the university with very high grades
>Doubt in life is the most important thing to achieve success, in the world everyone has bad intentions, everyone want to kill you do not trust anyone trust only the logic
that was a good laugh anon, thanks, I needed one, and here I thought you were doing this unironically

>> No.22292768

The meta world has weird connections with the "real world", still all that happens in the meta world is true, as voyager witches prove

>> No.22292776

Naima was 100% focused on the party (which would've been their empty internal/subconscious world in an era without Selcom) while her aggressive alter took over in the real world to keep her from experiencing the horrors of war.

The weird ass Lilja who kept saying strange things was probably some sort of alter too, while the usual one chatted happily in the party. Chloevil is clearly just Chloe snapping and doing what she had been planning for a while, I don't think she has alters.

But it's suspicious as hell that Meow suggested having a party in the first place. Maybe she was doing something IRL while Miyao was too distracted setting up the room.

>> No.22292786

Stop using "for" wrong, UUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOHHHHHH!!

>> No.22292799

i want show to all of you my love for umineko.
there are people who think that i am a shitposter!!!

p.s.:what you think of the image i put 1 or 2 hours to o it

>> No.22292802

i am a computer scientist!!!!
i only use for,if and else!!!

>> No.22292847

Who is the traitor?

Who is the humiliator?

And who is... the humiliatee?

>> No.22292861
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Chloe, all three!

>> No.22292870

I want to outrage her modesty.

>> No.22292879

Lingji cagando! Even though she's so cute and dignified! Pathetic!

>> No.22292888

Jestress is chasing a fucking Bern expy at the end, is she...

>> No.22292890

Why can't everyone just accept everything happened because of a disgruntled transvestite.

>> No.22292901

Yasu is not a tranny, Miyao is not a tranny and Meow is not a tranny either.

Ryuukishi has yet to write an actual tranny character.

>> No.22292909

no while or switch statements? sad!

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Who needs a gauntlet's space warping tech when your blouse is already packing some high-grade payload.

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>> No.22292954

Oh no even in fanart the hands are biscuits.

>> No.22292967

After reading this a bunch of times, I just finally understood the joke.

>> No.22292987
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The artist assumed you'd be too focussed elsewhere to notice.
It takes a bit.

>> No.22293066

>Christmas party in the virtual bath house
>Halloween party in the golden land
Will truthseekers be vindicated?
Virtual reality is the ultimate magic. Yet it's built upon not something like Ange's love but that horrifying, inhuman factory.

>> No.22293088

Can someone explain why people say the whole game is in VR?

>> No.22293116

>yasu is ikuko
i hate how this dumb theory is popular. Umineko doesn't really have a point if yasu could have run away and fucked off in some mansion with battler

>> No.22293156

Goat syndrome extended to Ciconia.

It's as stupid as asking what if all of our reality is actually a computer simulation.

>> No.22293184

Seshat is going to end up being a fat middle aged guy using a cute avatar.

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Because the recursion of VR theory would be pretty cool and could explain how exactly the future memories by Miyao and Miyao's mother are a thing, since the game doesn't really offer any other explanations for it beyond the usual meta bullshit that seems to be missing this time around
Also people theorized it was a simulation from the very second the OP was revealed, because a decent amount of people interpreted the end of the OP as Miyao entering/exiting a simulation or going back in time

>> No.22293261

Anyone have the "sky" background image? (the one with the fight between Miyao and Lingji)

>> No.22293280

did anyone else get into other things by reading WTC? it at least prompted me to read more Mystery novels.

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*farts and clogs your toilet*

>> No.22293295

what is it with your obsession with shitting and Maricarmen?

>> No.22293306

what did she do?

>> No.22293321

you're the only goat i'm seeing here

>> No.22293343
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90% sure that Ryukishi lurked jp/4chan

>> No.22293370

Anyone read Myth?
Nakao Boushi wrote it and he has a director credit in Ciconia.
It's made exactly how you'd expect a game from a WTC fan would be.
It's got some themes very relevant to some Ciconia topics but mentioning it would be an ending spoiler. Basically, the worlds might be structured similarly. Of course it's not going to be the same, but it might be worth looking into.

>> No.22293385

Just ended Ciconia
what the fuck was that end? it was like devilman or evangelion
i liked it but sometimes it was boring but the ending was 10/10 for me, i wonder if the next phase will be a time loop or the story will continue

>> No.22293395

umineko made me want to read the divine comedy
I swear someday i'll go through the whole thing

>> No.22293400

do you guys pronounce chloe as chole or chloie

>> No.22293411

It got me into trying to write. But I am really not very good at it. I don't think I could ever be as cruel to my characters as R07 is to his.

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>> No.22293478

Being a good writer doesn't mean doing horrible things to your characters.

>> No.22293495

the fact that black beans are an important part of her diet is lewd!
Maricarmen the cute onee-san farts!

>> No.22293512

how far have you gotten? I only read Inferno

>> No.22293564

Would you recommend Myth? Been thinking about checking it out

>> No.22293600

The meta is real. The real world is the meta of the meta.

>> No.22293619

just started ciconia, and played higurashi a long time ago, is the military dude in the intro the same dude that appears in higurashi or am i remembering faces wrong

>> No.22293644

He has the same face and the same name. Any other information is speculation.

>> No.22293673

Yes for sure.
It's got a pretty good meta world mystery. The only problem I had was that it was the ending was abrupt. It was a good ending, with closure. But it feels like Myth introduced about 30 different mystery threads, and the ending closed the 5 most important.

>> No.22293728

Huh. So all the mysteries don't end up getting answered? Or is it like Umineko where a lot of things just end up being left up to interpretation?

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>> No.22293789

Eh, it's like RGD if that makes sense.
There's so many threads, but all of a sudden it ends and there's immediate payoff for just the main threads.
It's 50 or so hours long but it felt like it should have been 80 hours. It's still worth reading.
And like I said, the whole thing feels like it's at least thematically connected to Ciconia. Especially the ending.

>> No.22293810

what the hell?
I've been listening to Umineko music just recently after years and literally a day later this thread comes up and Umineko is gaining popularity again!

/jp/, what's going on? It's like we're soul brothers drawn by a common interest

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Hell yeah my brother.
We're comrades that protect the walls of peace together!
We won't let any sprouts of war grow as long as we're together.
Who cares what the middle aged men think? No matter what won't let these walls of peace fall down!

>> No.22293825

New chapter in development

>> No.22293920

satoko fucking poops bros

>> No.22294064

I read some Agatha Christie novels due to Umineko. Fair play whodunnit my ass. Those are impossible to solve.

Other than that, I feel that he's greatly impacted my worldview and the kind of stories I want to write.

>> No.22294191

Ciconia in a nutshell

>> No.22294225

Woth golang you didnt need it

>> No.22294272

Ciconia made people remember Umineko exists too

>> No.22294277

It's the beak sounds. I can easily where he's coming from.

>> No.22294289

Just finished Ciconia, what's up with that ending? I was doubting it was going to loop since it was almost ending and nothing resolute was happening but I'm kinda certain it will now, which is cool
Koshka best girl by the way

>> No.22294326

fuck off Miyao you're just a murder program and everything is your fault

>> No.22294329

>weird ass Lija who kept saying strange things
I know Chloe and Koshka said something along these lines but I didn't really understand what they meant, did Lilja really act so strangely?

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Repeat it in red! "The chapel was locked when they found Kanon!"

>> No.22294364

lmao a tranny is the cause of death again

>> No.22294366

this mean that the accomplices are all the parents and nanjo and not only eva and hideyoshi
the manga didnt say it
so all the doors are closet!!!!

>> No.22294371

All five master keys were discovered, each in the pocket of one of the servants! The individual keys were found inside envelopes alongside the corpses! In short, all keys related to the linked closed rooms were locked inside the linked closed rooms!! No key could be returned from outside the room using the crack of the door, the crack of the window, vents or any place of the sort!!

the chapel key inside the closed room boiler room was linked to the closed room chapel

>> No.22294387

>this mean that the accomplices are all the parents and nanjo and not only eva and hideyoshi
No, only the person opening the door would be an accomplice, they can pretend it was locked.

>the chapel key inside the closed room boiler room was linked to the closed room chapel
It says that "all keys related to the linked closed rooms were locked inside the linked closed rooms", not that "all keys locked inside the linked closed room are related to the linked closed rooms", meaning that you can find inside keys that are unrelated as long as the related keys are all there.

>> No.22294406

Yes but
Plans a mass murder because her boyfriend doesn't remember him.
Program of God that will break the seven seals and unleash Jenovah's many plagues to cleanse the wicked from the world and prevent a human factory dystopia.

>> No.22294413

2nd game
the chapel was a fake closed room
in shkanontrice because rosa and all the servants are accomplices!!!!!
so you need that everyone that discover the door is the culprit to fake a closed room!!!!!

locked inside the linked closed room!!!!!!
so mansion parlor was locked inside the chapel

another red truth Murdering them from outside the room would have been impossible!!
impossible cover all case.
if chapel room was open why its impossible kill shkanon for outside!!!

>> No.22294450

how's it changed your worldview?

>> No.22294467

At first it made me a lot more logical and cold. Many years later, after I realized I was wrong about the story, it made me have a deeper appreciation for understanding people and letting go of the idea of something like a universal, objective truth. Though I think some of these ideas had sunken a little before I fully understood the story, and I only became totally aware of them later.

>> No.22294474

Adding, the biggest change overall was a general improvement in my ability to think and a willingness to analyze and question anything presented to me.

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even coming back and reading his work years later I now have a way deeper appreciation for his writing. sasuga Ryukishi-sama.

>> No.22294487

Yes i read the 7 death of evelyn hardcastle
Is similar to umineko.

>> No.22294506

Bros, I miss Umineko. It's really weird, I finished playing it more than like 5 years ago and I still remember a lot of scenes and the general plot structure and characters extremely vividly. Meanwhile, most VNs I read I end up forgetting what happened within a couple of weeks to months. Do you think it's worth it to reread?

>> No.22294518

Nope do it
Now that you know erikantrice>>22292433
you will read something different!!!!

>> No.22294532

>2nd game
>the chapel was a fake closed room
>in shkanontrice because rosa and all the servants are accomplices!!!!!
>so you need that everyone that discover the door is the culprit to fake a closed room!!!!!
Regardless of who was an accomplice in the 2nd game, you don't need several people to be accomplices if the person opening the door pretended that it was locked and that they were unlocking it.

>locked inside the linked closed room!!!!!!
so mansion parlor was locked inside the chapel
Okay, then after the adults were done investigating the chapel, they left and locked the chapel, with the key to the mansion parlor inside, as they had no need to open the parlor since they had already been in there.
>another red truth Murdering them from outside the room would have been impossible!!
impossible cover all case.
if chapel room was open why its impossible kill shkanon for outside!!!
Because the culprit is Shkanon, and Shkanon can't kill Shkanon who's inside the room from outside the room.

>> No.22294550

So why rosa dont had opened the chapel with battler?
Better alibi.

>leave the key
The parents take all the keys its said by battler.
battler is the detective and cant see any lies.

>shkanon is the culprit
Impossible to kill
Mean that no matter how many possibility exist in universe
Shakanon cant be killed from the outside.
Even eva is the culprit
But be the culprit didnt matter here.

>> No.22294554

Look this

>> No.22294574

stop fucking shitposting until you finish your goddamn manifesto

>> No.22294584

Try to read end of the golden witch
With erika=kanon in mind
And after this you will not say shitposting anymore

>finish your manifesto
My manifesto is like a manga
One chapter for weak
Many people didnt wait the end of a manga for discuss about it

>> No.22294678

>So why rosa dont had opened the chapel with battler?
>Better alibi.
Battler was sleeping, and Rosa already had an alibi. An innocent Rosa would have no reason to wake up Battler to go see a demonic scribbling on the chapel, it'd just look suspicious.

>The parents take all the keys its said by battler.
battler is the detective and cant see any lies.
Sorry, my memory is really fuzzy, when does Battler say they take all the keys? If it's true, there's a problem, because Nanjo can't leave the chapel key in the boiler room then, since the chapel key would need to be locked inside a room.

>Impossible to kill
>Mean that no matter how many possibility exist in universe
>Shakanon cant be killed from the outside.
>Even eva is the culprit
>But be the culprit didnt matter here.
So what you're saying is that it should physically be possible to kill Shkanon from outside, regardless of who was the culprit? But that doesn't change regardless of whether the chapel door was locked or not. If the door was locked you could just shoot someone through the window. Yeah, the window was intact, meaning no one shot through it, but it's still physically possible if you're interpreting the red truth that way. However, if you interpret impossible not as something that you can't do, but as something that couldn't have happened, then it's impossible because Yasu didn't kill herself.

>> No.22294693

>Nanjo cant leave the key
After the parents discover all the victims
The wake up the cousine and told to them everyrhing
Here battler discover that all the keys were in the end of the parents

Erika in the 6th game kill 5 people but she wasnt the culprit.
Why battler cant do the same?
He is the detecive but lambda said that in the first 4 games the detectice can be the culprit.
So battler can take a gun and shot shkanon in the chapel,
I know that battler have no reason to do it that but its not impossible for him do it.

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The initial discussion between Toujirou and Seshat feels quite poignant during a re-read, but I still don't understand them I think.
>Military might is a necessary evil in Toujirou's mind. It can do good and it can do evil, the extremes humanity have chosen are both part of the problem (hating and despising the idea of war in B3W and having it glorified and loved in A3W). What matters is that we should accept the fact that it's an imperfect solution we really have not outgrown, we need to keep 'discussing' as we find a better way.
>While he is somehow puzzled by this, Seshat has a more cynical point: humans simply cannot, at least in huge groups, think without extremes. Sure she agrees with the idea that the masses need to be 'trained', but such training will surely be harsh (How? By experiencing a fate of destruction over and over?). After all, debate has lost all of its meaning: It's not a way to grow and learn anymore, it's merely an act to destroy what you do not agree with, sheep mentality is a given. And so, since humanity is unable to guide itself, it needs to follow a path laid down by someone else.
>Ultimately, even though Toujirou somehow shares this conclusion with her, he wishes for a sort of perfect world where humanity can truly accept all viewpoints (and by this finally engage in true 'debate').
So what is it? Ultimately, he too will exploit this fault in the human debate system to influence the direction the world is going in, that's exactly what his Order does. Is he just resigned to the destiny the Kings want while harboring a vague hope that stuff will head into a different direction?
Pic related is of particular interest to me because it almost seems like a reference to the endless discussions our gauntlet heroes have in the public bath over and over again. They debate, sure, and at least superficially seem to reach a consensus, and yet they cannot find a valid answer to the problem in front of them at all, they simply keep clinging to the current ideology of the Walls of Peace and how it's beautiful and right, ultimately achieving nothing.

>> No.22294740

That makes me think that the 3 kings aren't meant to represent any one side of the conflict, but rather they're just a tool to force a conflict on humanity and see whether they overcome it or not. The players of the game are wagering on humanity's response to the attacks of the 3 kings.

>> No.22294747

The solution is discovering immortality and not reproducing anymore. Society is dumb because the adults are constantly replaced every 30 years. If it's the same 10 billion immortal people for all eternity, they don't have to learn the same lessons over and over again or worry about properly passing down those lessons.

>> No.22294750

The 3 kings represent the thee causes for war and conflict.

>> No.22294766

Really? I would expect fear instead of ridicule if that were the case.

>> No.22294797

What if there never was a world war 3?
What if the world is actually in the A5+W era?
Or what if WW3 was a battle against alien invaders that conquered the earth then erased their presence as the rulers?
We'd never know because they erased the history.
Ryukishi could be hiding any number of crazy things in the unknown time.

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So, how old is our lying general? Top material Freudian slip here.

>> No.22294836

There are no time loops.

Everything past the credits is a flashforward to phase 2, which ends with Blue Jayden in the VR. The rest of the phases will take place in VR and none of the established rules will apply to it. Meow will be a separate person in there. The outside world is a shithole with meat factories and pollution, managed by the few conspirators and survivors.

Lingji's brain is all rotten and shit so it can't be VR'd. Yuri nuns probably killed themselves by using their suicide attack on someone, so they are out too. But Koshka is too important to be killed, so she got transferred to a new body after murdering some officers and is now being used in experiments IRL.

Phase 3 and 4 will take place in VR world. Phase 2 is everything leading up from Lingji's death to Blue Jayden.

>> No.22294854

She's another nutjob with an alter that views herself as older than she really is.

Or she's actually like 18 or 19. The cyclops store owner was supposedly her sister, produced in a factory at the same time as her, so they must be the same age. And she was probably around 20, so Gunhild must be too.

I bet she sucked some old man's dick as a 12 year old to get access to good PP training despite being a shitty street rat with no talent.

>tfw the Nina expy is also a dirt poor kid who only got nice clothes and money by joining a morally questionable organization
Called it.

>> No.22294873

Fuck, I just noticed that Jayden and Miyao are basically Charles and Oliver. The cringy dumbass and the overly serious tryhard. And they are managed by a hot girl with big bazoongas and a shameless personality.

>> No.22294970

>Mario wanted to return the seasons and temperature differences back to Earth
>Mario games are always the same shit with ice/desert/water worlds

>> No.22294975

Does Naima have Dignity™ or is she the cutest Vatican cumdump in existence?

>> No.22295120

You guys think Satoko could give a good footjob? She's got nice pantyhose, and her personality seems like it would suit the act well.

>> No.22295123

Mario is italian like me.
He want restore dignity to the world again with his machine.
I want restore dignity to umineko with erikantrice.

>> No.22295142

Will Dr. Flathead be important? He stopped being the PoV when Mario showed up.

>> No.22295145

These old meme screenshots are so wholesome. Just imagine them with the PS3 art. Ewww. Soulless.

>> No.22295166

>not pretending that her feet smell and refusing the footjob just to humiliate her

>> No.22295177
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Again, I just can't hear it - storks' mating ritual is annoyingly loud, but keratine smacking keratine is somewhat soothing when it's not right outside your window
not the case with small bombs propelling bullets in guns

you know it

>> No.22295186

>Turning down a footjob.
>From a cute loli of all things
Gay. And if I did turn down the footjob while saying her feet smell, it would be in the hopes of making her angry and stepping on my face.

>> No.22295193

Add a textbox to the mix and you got peak soulless.

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I am somehow disappointed by the fact Ryukishi lost a chance at giving us a cute ingame interactive map. Making your own is fun while taking notes, but still.

>> No.22295311

So I recently found Haworthia Project, with translations of the drama and songs. After reading Phase 1, all the Data Fragments and skimming through Haworthia, this is my current hypothesis:

The Geroy Facility was researching Koshka, whom they codenamed "Pandora". In the last "regular" Data Fragment, they stated how she would be able to survive the coming apocalypse and how they were trying to replicate her brain structure. It is very possible that they will, indeed, succeed at this, which will lead to humanity, unable to survive on Earth anymore, relinquishing their bodies. This will lead to the scenario the "Other" Miyao (Hereafter referred to as "McAfee", as he is obviously some crappy antivirus installed when you failed to uncheck a box) showed to regular Miyao. Everything but the central nervous system is removed and people enter a form of digital existence.

The other thing concearns Vier and her mad science lab, specifically the gauntlet-wearing creatures, or should I call them... Organics Automata? Yes, I strongly suspect that Haworthia is a separate or parallel "Fate of Humanity"-Scenario, with the Automata eventually spreading out to restore the planet, preferably without the horrible disease called "Humans". This might happen instead of (or in concurrence with) the end of carnal existance as we know it described above. It is also quite likely that the world beyond the hatch, 1000 years in the future, is a world of Automatons (Getting NieR flashbacks).

And here's the kicker: I believe, at the current stage, that part of humanity will give up their bodies to become beings of pure spirit, with the Organics Automata eradicating or chasing away those who chose to maintain physical existence. At the very least Jayden will be digitized, maybe Miyao as well. And Jayden (possibly with his consent) creates a copy of Miyao, McAfee, that gets sent to the past, with whichever method is available this time, armed with the knowledge of how everything ended up so horribly.

Indeed, I have a sneaking suspicion about this entire affair: Everyone already IS brains jacked into a network, creating a complex digital world that, unfortunately, can only maintain itself on the peoples' memories of what the world was like and has somehow fallen into repeating a simulation of Humanity's end. So I think McAffee might not have travelled in time, but persisted and avoided erasure upon the reset of the fake world. This would also be a scenario in which the "Good Ending" would be a bitter-sweet world of eternal standstill, in which humanity can't truly advance and just stays as it is in a simulation of the A3W era, forever. I also believe Jayden, on some level, or in some... Version... might be aware of this, seeing as, in the seriously mind-f*cky preview at the end, he was shown in a way only McAfee was previously: The body of an Organics Automaton, but the head of a Human (Might be in reference to only the brain being a natural, human part while the body is fake and artificial), and McAfee is a being that would know about the purgatory of repeating history and the artificial nature of the world.

As to the 9th Prime Chivalric Order and the Order of Prometheus, I can't think of that much just yet. What I do notice is this: Sheshat's order are the keepers of knowlege known as "Wisdom", which are numbered. Vier's group also "translates" knowledge which is simply assigned numbers. I have a suspicion that the two groups are either one and the same or closely tied to each other.

>> No.22295402

Humiliation no naku koro ni

>> No.22295431

If phase 1 is a VR, the dead could come back when the world resets.

If it was real life, they could come back in the VR world after the meat factory ending. But they would be copies of their minds, while their real consciousness is dead as fuck. Why do you think they were studying how to copy Lingji's brain configuration?

>> No.22295560

It made me read the Divine comedy which got me really into medieval theology and the history of christianity. So today, more or less thanks to umineko, I’m a theologian.

>> No.22295569

You are catholic?

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Did you enjoy reading Dante? As an italian I found the english translations to be a bit soulless, but I guess it's inevitable when translating 14th century poetry.

>> No.22295658

Very much so. I read it translated in my native language. But since I already know a decent amount of latin one of my greatest dreams is to learn italian so I can read it untranslated.

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The real explanation of what happened was given in episode 7 but all the games contain some truth that's not shown by Bernkastel.

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>Explain how it's perfectly fine to have an entire chapter of the world history to be completely removed from from history for the sake of avoiding hating each other
>Everyone remembers stuff that happened before WW3 and they admit it doesn't influence them at all
>Everyone admits that countries have disputes like in the old days so nothing really changed
My cute drug-addicted wowow waifu can't be this brainwashed.

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>tfw living in the ABN

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Toujiro clearly knows the world is VR. He acts as if nothing happening will ultimately matter and his constant talks about things already having ended when they begun is more than enough proof of it.

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>He acts as if nothing happening will ultimately matter
Haha I must be living in VR too then

>> No.22295930

>Here battler discover that all the keys were in the end of the parents
Can't find it.

>Erika in the 6th game kill 5 people but she wasnt the culprit.
She was the culprit.

>He is the detecive but lambda said that in the first 4 games the detectice can be the culprit
When does she ever say that? That literally goes against Knox.

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Given that 'normal' Miyao never seems phased by the knowledge of Evil Miyao (and is so detached he sees himself happily play WanyaDora with the others), is it safe to assume he's is merely believing he is Miyao himself? But then again, why would you install a murder program inside your son that also believes he is more than that?

>> No.22295989

>cant find it
I replay banquet of the golden witch 2 days ago.
After the discover of murder circle
The parents and the cousine are in the same room
Jessica and george are crying
Battler speak that their parents discover the body and take all the keys

>erika was the culprit
No it was a battler game
Battler create a game where no one die
But erika choice to become the culprit!!!!
So every piece can become a culprit
So its possible for battler kill shkanon in the chapel if the door was open

Look at end of the golden witch true

There was an exception clause in the original, but for this game 'the detective isn't a culprit' has been proclaimed in red, so you don't need to consider the exception. (Referring to Knox's 7th)

>> No.22296023

It makes no sense to not include Denmark in AOU

>> No.22296028

To be honest I made it without paying too much attention to that, but that makes sense, I'll update it. Thanks anon.

>> No.22296093

Mexico (or at least part of it) is part of LATO. Maricarmen is from there.

>> No.22296127

>Battler speak that their parents discover the body and take all the keys
Still can't find it.

>So its possible for battler kill shkanon in the chapel if the door was open
It's also 'possible' with the door closed.

>> No.22296137

There's a meat factory ripping people's spines and their brains while keeping them alive and plugging them to the matrix. That's a thing. They're ripping people's brains and plug them into a virtual paradise. That's canon (though it could not have happened yet, or it's a prophecy, or it's a lie, or something like that).

To the point, the Matrix twist is overdone but fun, and was overdone but fun twenty years before the Matrix, but Ciconia being futuristic it took people all of five minutes (drunk and drugged) for them to postulate that Ciconia is in VR. Then the fandom mostly waited to see if they were right or wrong.

Ryukishi delicious and batshit insane answer to that is to provide an entire character whose entire purpose is to push the Matrix theory, while making almost all the action and lore incompatible with the Matrix theory. That's really, really good, Ryukishi. You absolute madlad.

>> No.22296144

what bothers me is that we don't know the timeline for things. as in, how many years it has been since ww3 and stuff. or maybe i missed it.

>> No.22296159

100 years, speed-o-reader.

>> No.22296196

The red true said that its impossible if the door is closed!!!
This is the true we cant doubt about it.

shakanon cant be helped by anyone
Cant fake the closed door
So there is no way to put the chapel key in the boiler room after she closed the door.
So shkanontrice is fake and my theory the true.

Why lambda said that in the first 4 games the detective can be the culprit?
Because the detective was inside the culprit kanon and during the 5th game lambda take it and create erika!!!!

>> No.22296260

when did vier die in the surface world? when were gauntlets created?

>> No.22296264

>The red true said that its impossible if the door is closed
Actually, it only says that "murdering them from outside the room would have been impossible", no doors are mentioned there. But even if we include the door being closed, that still doesn't mean it would be possible if the door was open.

>Because the detective was inside the culprit kanon
You said in >>22294678 that Battler is the detective. So you're saying Battler is inside Kanon?

>> No.22296294

Umineko started out as a story that didn't actually happen IRL and was just the content of a message bottle. The situation in EP1 had nothing to do with the rest of the series, because Battler went meta at the end and stayed meta for the whole thing. And it turned out that the "truth" of what happened on Rokkenjima was hinted at in each episode, showing us little snippets of situations and tricks that kind of took place in the real events.

It's possible that Phase 1 is all VR (meaning that Lingji's brain splattering all over the glass sea doesn't matter because she was already a brain in a jar IRL). The calamities that brought about the end of humanity happened in real life, but it all ended with everyone being turned into brains in jars connected to VR in the factory.

That's why Blue Miyao knows the future. Phase 1 is already VR, and humanity is stuck as a bunch of brains reliving the wars and disasters that caused the end of civilization and the factory hell.

It's possible that gauntlet knights didn't have that much power IRL, and thus the 26 protagonists didn't die during the final clash and were turned into brains in jars at the factory after the Earth got screwed by the space pillars and the aliens came to save humanity digitally.

This would explain why gauntlets can fucking summon shit out of thin air. The gauntlet knights are brains/programs given special privileges to manipulate the VR reality in certain ways, that's why they can literally do magic. Of course, the alternate explanations are superscience/8MS manipulation or weaponized holy elements if God/magic exists. But if they are programs, my explanation would make a lot of sense.

Toujirou, the kings, Jestress and Seshat are outside forces (Maricarmen sensed a non-human aura in Toujirou at the beach scene). They might be IRL survivors of the calamities (including the zombification 8MS) and they can temporarily connect their brain to the VR world to access it. That's why they seem to appear out of nowhere, have no sense of danger, and the disasters never accidentally kill/starve them even when the whole world is going to hell. Because they don't live anywhere in that world. That's also why they can manipulate shit so easily, erase people's memories and get all the passwords they want.

It's possible that Toujirou connected his daughter's brain to the factory VR after she got fatally wounded during the final clash on december 25. And he added a murder program to her virtual self's brain, which is Miyao. That's why he considers Miyao his son and has big plans for him, which probably includes having him succeed and eventually get his mind transplanted into a Haworthia automata blue body IRL to start a new form of humanity with those artificial bodies.

So everything we see during phase 1 is generally what happened IRL beforehand (all the wars and disasters). But the details are different and people die during the final clash, which probably doesn't matter because they were already brains in jars and will be revived if the world resets. It's like Umineko again, where each episode dropped details about the true events.

>> No.22296299

>when did vier die in the surface world?
Whenever she wants, you misogynist sperg. Vier can have died whenever she wants, she's strong, proud, and extremely brave.

>when were gauntlets created?
Just after Jesus was born, unless you count Satan into the equation. But you shouldn't bow to Satan. Vier can. You can't. The gauntlets were created while Jesus was conceived, the King of King.

It saddens me that you simply can't read the Christian subtext of Ryukishi. Have you ever reread the Book of Revelation three times? Do you even know of it? Can you understand that the time is near?

>> No.22296306

In the 5th game berncastle thought that battler was the detective too
So there isnt a limit to the numbers of detective.

>Murdering them from outside the room would have been impossible.
This red true force the door to be closed
Because if it was open for battler become possible kill shkanon!!!

>> No.22296324

>So there isnt a limit to the numbers of detective
There isn't, there can be more than one detective. But "the" clearly implies that there can only be one detective per game.

>Because if it was open for battler become possible kill shkanon
Which red truth states this?

>> No.22296333

Also, it's possible that all the scenes with Vier are happening IRL but in the past, before the factory hell. The part where they use Mario's machine to destroy all the 8MS happened IRL, and that earthquake is being repeated in the VR world along with all the other disasters as the simulation repeats history over and over again.

There is no guarantee that the three scenes in the underground lab are happening at the same time the story takes place. They are in the past, before the whole world got VR'd and doomed to experience the A3W era in a loop, from Miyao's birth to the end of the world and reset.

Blue Jayden at the end is not them in VR. He and Miyao are actually IRL for the first time, in automata bodies tasked with rebuilding the world. Everyone who died in phase 1 is still trapped in the simulation.

>> No.22296344

>The situation in EP1 had nothing to do with the rest of the series, because Battler went meta at the end and stayed meta for the whole thing
So Phase 1 is either the real world before VR or a post-hell VR that ends with them being taken out of the simulation to fix the Earth in artificial bodies.

Either way, it's no indication of how the rest of the series will be. For all we know, phases 2 to 4 could take place in the devastated real world where Miyao and Jayden meet with the people who were managing the simulation. Just like Battler got meta'd and met Beatrice.

>> No.22296355

But yasu never become the detective during the first 4 games.
Just the personality was inside her waiting for his turn.
So there is de facto 1 detective for games

Murdering them from outside the room would have been impossible
Red true
Beatrice didnt said: no one murder from the outside,
Said that its impossible to murder from the outside
So this force all methods to kill someone from outside to be impossible
If the chapel door was opened this mean that its possible kill who are inside!!!!

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>is it safe to assume he's is merely believing he is Miyao himself?
good point. the person holding conversations with blue miyao might not even be the same entity as the miyao from the main story.

this really makes me wonder what the context of these conversations are. because of the times that keropoyo interfered, it's possible to think that these happen in miyao's subconscious mind. but evil miyao knows so much about the future that it might as well be a meta scene. i know the BG is labeled meta or something, but still.

>> No.22296370

>this really makes me wonder what the context of these conversations are. because of the times that keropoyo interfered, it's possible to think that these happen in miyao's subconscious mind.
They are happening in the unused part of the brain where selcom is installed. Because keropoyo, blue Miyao and regular Miyao are all programs installed in Meow's brain.

>> No.22296411

>But yasu never become the detective during the first 4 games.
>Just the personality was inside her waiting for his turn.
>So there is de facto 1 detective for games
You're forgetting Battler, unless you're saying Battler isn't a detective.

>If the chapel door was opened this mean that its possible kill who are inside
How is it possible? The red truth says that killing from outside is impossible, not that "killing from outside while the door is closed is impossible."

>> No.22296413

If they are all fighting in each of the four disputed territories, with the goal of expanding the borders even a bit before the LATO-imposed truce... doesn't that mean Lilja could be alive?

The glass sea is the only place the AOU and the COU are fighting for. So it makes sense if Miyao and Lingji are there at the end. Which means that Grave Mole is fighting one of the two ACR ace kettes and a bunch of newbies at the Atlantis spirit field. So Lilja might have survived that fall if she fell into the water and pretended to drown until Chloe looked the other way and left. Unless she got really fucked by that zapping device and the weight of her gauntlet made her drown before she could regain control.

Each kette must be at a certain war zone, because they are all in different places of the world and there is no way they could go somewhere else before the end of december 25.

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Yeah, when I wrote that post in my head, Miyao's body had four personalities / programs
>Miyao himself
>AntiMurder Program
>Murder Program, which believes he is the same as Miyao
I don't know much about VR theories because I am still quite confused by the data fragments and the ending, so I decided to slowly re-read it and take notes. The knowledge the AI possesses could just be a different kind of Wisdom. What I found interesting, is the way the AI words the prophecy:
>These are not illusions, you might call them memories from a guaranteed future. You exist, therefore this future must happen.
>There is one way to protect this world. It's very easy. Will yourself to disappear.
It might just be the AI trolling us or being deliberately ambiguous, but wording it like this almost implies that there was a small possibility that MurderProgram would not appear, which would lead to a happy world. If we want to follow those Matrix comparisons, that would almost make MurderProgram some kind of bug inside the system, causing the destruction of paradise.
But as I said I don't know if I want to have an opinion over the "Is this AI or not?" debacle.

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>as your inner conscience
after realizing this about anti miyao, some things started falling into place.
>miyao's mother created miyao to prevent the "factory hell"
>he will achieve that goal using the same method as the 3 kings, by destroying humanity. that's why he is a murder program in anti miyao's eyes.
>anti miyao wants to stop the murder program.
i think these are reasonable assumptions?

now the question is just how anti miyao (who is miyao's conscience) can know about the future, and whether it is time travel, VR or other loop shenanigans.

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This line is so fucking based, wow

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Hey anons, I stumbled upon this article : https://soranews24.com/2019/09/12/keep-your-2-d-crush-with-you-always-with-their-special-ai-generated-fragrance/ and was wondering what would the WTC characters smell like. I instantly thought of candies for Lambda, a cat like odor for Bern, trash/sweat for Rena, beach for the LATO onee-sans etc. What are your ideas? Do you think Beatrice or the seven stakes wear some kind of fragrance or perfume?

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question: do humans even deserve free will?

>> No.22296492

Yeah. Even if it's only the dying movement of a doomed organism, we still elected Donald Trump in 2016. It was mostly a fluke. Yeah. We still did it. The country has never been better since them, and "they" are against it. "They" want it to stop. And they'll probably win.

Yet, still, we succeeded. We made things better. And that means, as a race, we deserve free will.

Also pretty impressed by the recent advances in science. Good things with trapped ion quantum computing, would never have thought it's actually possible to store that kind of things in the hyperfine structure. Old new but the gravity wave detector was pretty swift. Good stuff all that. With Trump, it makes me happy for a future.

>> No.22296547

>They have no objective means of proving that a particular corpse belongs to Kinzo. Battler proved that it was Kinzo's corpse with Gold Text. Therefore Gold Text is not objective.
>Battler's proof above succeeded without him providing evidence, meaning Gold Text does not require evidence.
>It was not blocked by Knox's 2nd, meaning Gold Text is not supernatural.
>it can be used by humans according to Ryukishi
>it can be used to lie
>If Red text and Blue text correspond to Lambda's certainty and Bern's possibility respectively, Gold text could correspond to Beatrice's "endless magic"
>It is automatically true in the absence of evidence, but if there is contrary evidence, it becomes worthless
>It is considered true until proven unreliable and it is up to the detective to disprove it with, for example, Blue text.
Gold Text is Witness Testimony.
quoting myself

>> No.22296563

Lilja got hit by rockets while getting zapped

>> No.22296580

>There is no guarantee that the three scenes in the underground lab are happening at the same time the story takes place
The Kings talk about the bait they sent to ""them"" while watching the Battle Standard Festival, ""them"" most likely being the eggheads since it's just a couple of scenes away. One of the Kings even says that a cheap trick like that ain't gonna work, and their mole does get busted instantly.

>> No.22296629

Maricarmen smells like farts

>> No.22296644

So, assuming that VRification ignores physical brain defects and forcibly merges alters, the end result is:

-Miyao: PERMADEAD (integrated with Meow)
-Meow: PERMADEAD (Integrated with Miyao)
-Integrated Miyao: EVOLVED (Blue Jayden talked to him/her/whatever)
-Jayden: EVOLVED (Blue Jayden)
-Gunhild: DEAD (exploded into pieces) (could be faked but the others would've noticed her flying away, so it's unlikely)

-Lilja: DEAD (fell to her death) (could have survived if she fell in the water, but Chloe would've noticed and finished her, so it's unlikely)
-Koshka: EVOLVED (they couldn't afford killing her because her brain is very valuable)

-Lingji: DEAD (got her head smashed on screen) (seems like a very definitive death but it depends on what "evolving" means)
-Momotake: UNKNOWN

-Sujatha: UNKNOWN
-Rukhshana: UNKNOWN

-Naima: UNKNOWN (probably got killed by Yeladot Shavit for rebelling, assuming they were dispatched to the same battlefield)

-Leah: UNKNOWN (all three are dead if they used their signature suicide attack to neutralize Naima)
-Fatma: UNKNOWN (then again, maybe they got attacked by Naima's alter from behind, who swore to murder anyone who attacked Naima's ABN friends, which they most certainly did as it was their job. If that happened and one of them got taken out, the other two alone would be no match for Naima's alter).
-Stephania: UNKNOWN (this is all assuming they were dispatched to the Kashmir spirit field along with Naima's kette, which is likely because the ABN wouldn't give a shit about the refugee camp in Africa when it comes to expanding their borders in a rush before the truce, so both kettes were probably in the same place and saw each other do things that warranted a confrontation).

-Rethabile: UNKNOWN (probably had to face a deranged/traitor Chloe in the middle of the sea)

-Gannet: UNKNOWN
-Mariana: UNKNOWN

-Cagando 1: UNKNOWN (probably fucking Toujirou as the world ends)
-Cagando 2: UNKNOWN (raped by Cagando 1 and Toujirou)

Now, evolution could mean either:

-Getting factory'd and becoming a brain in a jar trapped in VR (blue body probably means becoming a special program that can remember the IRL timeline). In this case, the story would end with a bittersweet Umineko-tier delusion where the characters achieve a happy ending and stop the end of the world, but it's all a VR paradise still. But who cares if it's not real when you can experience it all the same.

-They were already in VR and were already brains in jars reliving the end of the world, and evolution means having their consciousness copied from the simulation to a blue automata body. Or maybe they just grab the brain, disconnect it from the VR world, put it in an artificial head made to resemble their face, and put that head on a blue automata body. The lab girls could be full automatas without a human brain. This option would also mean that Miyao was indeed a program "fathered" by Toujirou and the brain was Meow's originally before she got hooked to VR.

If it's the second option, it means Lingji could come back and isn't permanently dead. She may even escape the simulation in an automata body. If it's the first, Miyao will delude himself with a simulated copy of her mind and live on in VR. Either way, the real world is uninhabitable for non-blue humans and Miyao/Meow are doomed to merge into one mind.

>> No.22296663

"Why was Naima's alter so soft as the game master? They should've called her a nig*er"

>> No.22296678

Who is Naima's God?

>> No.22296746

I think the kings are in the real world and just want to test humanity in the VR to choose a successor. They will take that person out of the simulation and put their brain in a blue body so he can start a new civilization.

The kings themselves can't leave their own expensive ass shelters and only meet in VR because the surface world is a shithole where the zombifying 8MS runs rampant. They want to leave the real world and the management of the VR web of brains to a chosen one. That person will essentially become a God to the people still trapped in VR.

>> No.22296835

Miyao never existed, he's a program inserted into Meow's brain.

>> No.22296874

This with VR not being actually VR but a true simulation. Aliens or someone is using memories with the brains in the jar to figure out the truth about what happened either to the earth the 8MS or anything that mean that all went to shit and they are trying to fix it similar how Bruce Willis is sent out into the past to figure out the details needed to find a cure for a disease that created the end of the world in the future. (not even telling what movie it is you non-boomers)

>> No.22296947

Miyao's existence caused all the deaths. The order he created was turned on its head and became the main reason all the kids were forced to kill each other. Someone leaked it, probably Lilja and that's why Chloe killed her.

>> No.22296958

battler is the detective in the first 4 games
in the 5th and 6th was erika
but during the first 4 games the detective personality of yasu exist inside her
this personality never come out.
this is the only solution to the lambda sentence
why beatrice allow detective to kill?
because she was forced for her personality!!!

killing from outside while the door is closed is impossible
ok never say that but clearly implies its impossible
cmon if you cant pass a key when the door is closed how cn you kill a person!!!

>> No.22296990

Rethabile is such a pathetic human. All humans want is eat and fuck! That's why this perverted princess wants to remain alive! Otherwise she wouldn't give a fuck about the world ending!

Anyone who doesn't want the world to end is a shameful pig that wants to keep eating and masturbating, even if she's a cute, elegant girl like Lingji! The fact that she doesn't want to die is the proof!

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I confess.....

>> No.22297007

Stan is likely rip since we get a scene where Naima is throwing a tantrum over someone dying, and only Naomi is around

>> No.22297009

I hope she had the orgasm of her life before heading out to battle, because she's fucking dead now. She probably had a magnificent banquet too, so her guts that splashed all over Miyao's face were full of her shit! Pathetic! Your waifu isn't so cute now, is she?

>> No.22297050

Erikantricefag's entire scheme is coming up with wild conjectures, and if you point out any flaws in them he just comes up with more and repeats until you get bored, all because Erika apparently didn't notice Sayo hiding in the closet in Dawn, even though that's irrelevant and you can count the people who care on one hand.

Either that or making shitty edits linking to his ESL scribblebook.

>> No.22297077

Why should we assume that Miyao's mom gave birth to him in order to stop the meat factory? This is assuming she knows about it. If she has foreknowledge, how? If she's just injecting Miyao into the VR, why are we shown a scene where she's physically giving birth? Seems misleading.

>> No.22297090

Gunhild singing Caramelldansen when?

>> No.22297104

What's even his deal? Erika didn't open the closet to begin with. The scene where she shot at it with a gun and opened it was a meta representation of her final theory being proven/disproven. Turns out she failed and Kanon wasn't in the closet, so she lost. It doesn't matter if Shannon was in there because Erika never actually opened it to check.

Why is this so hard to understand for that guy?

>> No.22297130

Just hold on, I guarantee you'll soon get a response with an explanation of why Erika did in fact check the closet. Probably because meta bad.

>> No.22297144

>if you point out any flaws in them he just comes up with more
This is accurate. It's literally how he came up with erika=kanon and the kyrie head bullshit in the first place.

>> No.22297178

erika is the detective she cant see any lies!!!!
and she saw nothing in the wardrobe.
ERIKA =KANON is the blessed true give me by gods to destroy the parasypte of beauty shkanontrice and bring back umineko glory.
READ MY MANIFESTO is not only erika didnt saw kanon in the wardrobe
shkanontrice have millions of contracdition.


>> No.22297189


why ryukishi write about them?
becuase in a mistery novel the little details are the keys to find the true!!!!

never bevr and never i accept magic
magic doesent exist every mistery can be explained with an human trick
and my theory is the only that solve all umineko all meta of umineko with human trick!!!!

>> No.22297194

Different culprit in each game =/= Everyone is the culprit

>> No.22297196
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So, during the festival, the mole contacts Jestress.
>To my beloved Lady Jestress. Those people must view the boys and girls into the AAI as the most interesting guinea pigs in existence. If I remain concealed here, they will surely try to contact me in some way. If anything happens, I'll report on it immediately"
And during the ending, the broken cup mail is sent to ????. Assuming ???? is the same, usual mole, is there, other than the 4 spies (which are members of the ninth order), a fifth one that only works for Jestress?

>> No.22297197
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At least post the link when you make an edit so people don't have to type it you absolute cucumber.

>> No.22297206

Loops are a key component of WTC so far. Higurashi already did time loops, umineko simulated loops by having the episodes be stories, and ciconia looks to have loops through VR. I really doubt he'd go back to normal time loop shenanigans.

>> No.22297213




Kanon is dead. Among the five people in Kyrie's group, he was the first to die. In short, he was the 9th victim.

<Die the Death>! <Sentence to Death>!!<The Great Equalizer is Death>!!

>> No.22297222

Sorry man I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

>> No.22297223

so for you different culprit mean eva and hideyoshi culprit in 3 games but not in the second?

so you prefer this to same culprits in every games with a motive to kill everyone!!!!

>> No.22297224
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Not to sound rude, but you are being beyond obnoxious, I seriously think nobody cares at this point. At least try not to write the cringiest messages possible.

>> No.22297230

what part you dont understand

van dyne rule a servant cant be a culprit
rudolf rifle is broken. remeber the 7th ep berncastle story.

people mean body
red true of 6th game

>> No.22297234

>cringiest messages possible
I'm pretty sure that part is just bait.

>> No.22297235

a true Battler-tier theory would be a hyper-intelligent elephant or gorilla that moved the rock and took the body

>> No.22297238

so if is cringe
deny my sentence?
o you cant because you cant deny the true!!!!

>> No.22297243

It doesn't matter what I prefer. It is what it is. These are also accomplices, not murderers.

>> No.22297257

accomplies cant kill people.
so you surrend and accept this shit only because other people think that is the true?
society slave even if the 99% of people say that a thing is true this doesnt say that this thing is true!!!!
never surrend fight for your ideas
i finnally find a theory that explaine everything with the same culprits i cant surrend now!!!

>> No.22297258

culprit does not equal accomplice
I could also argue that Genji is not a servant

>> No.22297259

>Why should we assume that Miyao's mom gave birth to him in order to stop the meat factory?
i'm actually no longer sure about that.

i assumed that because of the use of the phrase "my adorable miyao" (but i could be completely wrong and it's just a generic phrase in japanese).
so far it's been used:
1. by the mom herself at the very end of the game
2. after the factory scene
3. in the 2nd meta scene where anti miyao tells him to either kill himself or the 3 kings
4. when keropoyo glitched out after miyao asks him what he himself really is
i treated each of them as the mother speaking to miyao in some form or another since i thought the use of that phrase was deliberate. if it was in fact the mother speaking, then we could gain some insight into what her goals may be.
example 2 makes it clear that she wants to prevent the factory setting, which sounds similar to what the 3 kings want to do so that's why i assumed that.

but example 2 and 3 makes it clear she wants to kill the 3 kings. so i'm not so sure anymore how things relate to each other now.
also example 3 is clearly anti miyao saying the phrase directly so maybe i'm reading too much into things.

>> No.22297267

>accomplies cant kill people.
and that is stated when?

>> No.22297268

5 keys one for each servant
show to me the different personality of genji
culprit is someone who kill people not the mastermind!!!!

>> No.22297275

You're wasting your time. I mean, if it's fun for you don't fucking listen to me but he'll just shovel more conjectures until you give up. Are you seeing this shit? Episode 7 ???? as the basis for a rifle not working in episode 3?

>> No.22297279

erika killed 5 people and he was the culprit but she wasnt an accomplice of battler!!!!
so every piece that kill people is a culprit!!!

>> No.22297280

I agree that accomplices can't kill people. However, that has nothing to do with anything you've just said.

>> No.22297283
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>ERIKA =KANON is the blessed true give me by gods
There is only one God and his name is YHWH.

>> No.22297286

Yeah, you're right. I like to hold out hope that shitposters are really just dummies, but I guess it's settled.

>> No.22297290

so for you erika didnt saw yasu is meta
isnt a conjectures
for every thing i say have a proof
you not!!

>> No.22297295

so genji cant kill nanjo and kumasawa!

>> No.22297298

i know
i am a proud catholic

>> No.22297300

True, though you don't need it to be hyper-intelligent. A trained one will do.

Also, the rock could be moved by humanS, but not by a single one.

>> No.22297301

yhvh only exist to get punched in the face
freikugel that punk-ass mr. clean

>> No.22297305
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Give up hope, anon. You'll sleep easier.

>> No.22297315

Yeah but those theories are Will-tier, and where's the fun in that
(though the wording of 'no human could have moved' imo implies that even all few billions pushing at once would be unable to move it, as it would require a human to move it a little bit anyways)

>> No.22297317

Did he kick the tombstone like a zombie and get up?

Hahaha, no, no. That's exactly what the sinners who killed Jesus imagined. What Jesus meant isn't that he would revive physically. He meant that his teachings would resurrect in the hearts of people that wanted to be led correctly.

>> No.22297324

Which is an acronym for Yasu Helmed Witch Hunt.

Welp, that's it, Umineko is solved.

>> No.22297326

Stop replying to the troll, he's being obnoxious on purpose and the threads are becoming unreadable because of it.

>> No.22297330

i am not a troll
i have a manifesto.


>> No.22297338

Italians are loud and obnoxious by nature, coherent less so. I don't think it's all his fault.

>> No.22297339

But Erika clearly isn't a virgin at the start of the 5th game. How do you explain this if Battler never fucked her?

>> No.22297341

Our only hope is that people stop taking the bait, but that's hard when he aggressively baits people by with irrelevant replies to all Umineko posts.

>> No.22297343

gohda like rape women maybe?
and say with red erika wasnt a virgin!!!!

>> No.22297347

For the record, you are also wasting your time. See >>22297275

>> No.22297352

why is wrong?
ryukishi use ep 7 for give a solution to umineko
he put bern story for made us understand about the rifle!!!!

>> No.22297353

>and she saw nothing in the wardrobe.
There is no such line. She didn't see Kanon in the closet, because it was Shanon.

>> No.22297355


>> No.22297358

The Lion, the witch and the wardrobe.

EvaAngeLion, the three golden witches.

>> No.22297364

ok erika open the wardrobe and saw shannon.
what happened?
erika in 5 second understand that kanon is shannon and kill beatrice
instead she surrend why?
because an human enter in the room and disappier.
a true magic
erika cant argue back
because if she argue back she admit that she wasnt a human!!!!

Hi, pleased to meet you! I am Furudo Erika, the detective!! I may be an uninvited guest, but please, welcome me!!
I am the visitor, the 18th human on Rokkenjima!!
(pls i am a human ritgh?)

"...Sorry, but..." "Even if you do join us-" ""That makes 17 humans.""(you are not a human you are just the yasu fantasy of being a detective!!!)

>> No.22297367

Okay, so you're saying that what the red truth really means is that "(While the door is locked), murdering them from outside is impossible." I can agree with that, but then it means that red truth is irrelevant when the door is unlocked, so it doesn't matter whether it was possible or not to kill them from outside while the door is unlocked.

>> No.22297370
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How would he rape her if before the start of the fifth game if she did not exist?
She pretty much says so in her scene with Dlanor (only non-autists can see this, so ask a friend to read it for you).

>> No.22297376


Would Maria have turned out this cringy?

>> No.22297379

There is no line that says there was nobody in the room but Erika, only that Kanon didn't exist in the room. There is no line stating that Erika opened the closet and saw nothing there. Additionally, it was a duel after the game was already suspended, so Erika cannot open the closet as a piece at this point, she can only provide blue truths and she didn't figure out Shkanon which is why she lost.
You can show me a screenshot from the game proving opposite or fuck off.

>> No.22297382

image yasu all alone remeber her first love battler
she cannot talk about this with anyone apart with her mistery books and her greatest ally in reading them the knox decalogue

>How would he rape her if before the start of the fifth game if she did not exist?
the yasu body exist and feminists say that you can mental rape a woman.

>> No.22297383

She's so real and pure. But she's also a pathetic human and has an ass, so that's kinda humiliating. How can she live with herself?

>> No.22297388

Do forgive me, it looks like I misread some of your ESL gibberish. My points still stand, however.

>> No.22297394

[Request: 'I am not the rescuer.'] Of course! You are the detective, are you not? Don't worry, I will respect that!
a detective cant see lies!!!!
van dyne rule:-The reader must have the same possibilities as the detective to solve the mystery. All clues and traces must be clearly listed and described.(This force all that erika sees to be real and not meta).

why erika shot?
she was the detective she cant kill no one
so if the gun didnt shot she would understand that someone was in the closet.

>> No.22297404

Have I mentioned that he'll just pile on conjectures (or just complete gibberish in this case) until you give up?

>> No.22297409

1bit goat
argument of fuck off discord tranny!!!!

>> No.22297410

wtf I want an autistic daughter now.

>> No.22297418

>Jayden: EVOLVED
Fucking glorious.

>> No.22297425

She's kinda annoying but pretty adorable. A rare specimen. Why can't lolis stay like this forever? Most autistic women are the extreme kind that borders on mental retardation, but neurotypical girls lose their fun and colorful personalities as soon as they finish elementary school.

This girl is like an eternal 10 year old with the lewdness of a teenage body and without the low IQ variety of autism that females tend to have. She's pretty smart.

I don't even want to see her humiliated that much. She's pure and deserves happiness, not suffering or humiliation.

>> No.22297431

Straight white male virgin here, sorry.

>> No.22297434

ok i accept it.i cant deny the unclosed door with only this red truths
so shkanontrice faked the closed room this is the only sollution possible
but really the accomplices can fake a closed door even if there are other people near?
and why umineko manga dont explaine this?
make you really think...

>> No.22297442

>cutest girls in WTC history
>implied humiliation in their backstories and world lore
>they are all fucking brains in jars so it doesn't matter
Fuck it all, why did he have to ruin it at the end?

>> No.22297469

Jesus Christ, why does that guy put on the same fake smile and use the same condescending intonation regardless of who he's talking to? Dude, you don't need to treat a zombie-looking burn victim, a brain dead kid with a rare disease that can barely comprehend speech and an autistic teenager more intelligent than you in the exact same way. It's rude.

>> No.22297473

I want to see her anus twitch.

>> No.22297475

>a detective cant see lies!!!!
That is correct. However, at no point does Erika say that there's nobody in the room but her, making this point completely moot. It is only stated that Kanon is not there (because it's Shanon now).

>> No.22297483

How the hell is this human girl so quirky? Shouldn't she be broken from the bullying and completely lacking in personality because she's too scared to be herself?

>> No.22297485

we saw the whole scene
that erika shot to the closet and no one was here.
erika saw it this is why she surrend!!!
watch if she saw shannon?
kanon enter
go in the closet
i open it
i find shannon
= kanon is shannon
simple equation
but instead she fucking surrend and die.
berncastle say that it was a total defaut why?
because she didnt understand that the piece who was controlled by her was kanon!!!!

>> No.22297488

I bet she's autistic enough to masturbate to memories of her own bullying and to the human condition of her crush (she's probably a lesbian).

>> No.22297500

What the fuck, she's Rena IRL. She's a literal anime teenager. How does she do it?

The lack of self awareness of a preteen girl and the intelligence of a teenager. That's the perfect personality.

>> No.22297511

anon-kun i am autistic like you pls send your credit card info and watch my ads....
cmon guys did you read umineko!!!!
dont trust no one!!!!

>> No.22297528

Mfw George is an actual boomer

>> No.22297530

Damn, literally anyone could stick it into her sweet butthole with just a little small talk. She's too innocent. She's gonna get her ass broken.

>> No.22297534

I just came to this. Thanks for posting.

>> No.22297545

>tfw autism can make a girl act even more hyper than Stephanie from Lazy Town, an exaggerated fictional character

>> No.22297549

Cute girls don't have assholes. That's just madness. I mean, I can't possibly imagine her taking a shit, it doesn't feel real.

>> No.22297565

It's OK because the fact that they are brains in jars means that they went through the ultimate humiliation of the factory hell.

>> No.22297716

I feel like there is no world map of Ciconia because they were too lazy to work out the logistics without political buffs getting mad.
All we get is something vague akin to
>After WW3 the world was fucked up by nukes so much that the geopolitical landscape was changed

I suspect, in reality, the borders of said countries are in roughly similar places, but completely different than we suspect. For example, the countires representing ACR are all over the place on the real map, but in the Ciconia map those countries could have taken over a third of africa or more during WW3.

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>> No.22297938

I wonder if the random LATO country in Europe will have any significance later on.

>> No.22297957

>that erika shot to the closet and no one was here.
Again, it was never stated that no one was in the closet..

>> No.22297977

Erika didn't have a gun IRL, so she didn't shoot at the closet. And the game was suspended before Erika did anything else (this is stated in red), so her piece literally couldn't open the closet for all eternity.

>> No.22297980

again even in umineko shkanontrice manga there is shooting scene.
explaine why erika is so dumb that didnt understand that kanon=shannon
even battler in 3rd game said that jessica could had more personality!!!

>> No.22297986

erika is the detective again if she saw a gun there is a gun.
the game end only if the detective or the witch surrend.
battler closed in the logic error game suspend beatrice fight erika the game restart
erika shot the closet, surrend and the game end

>> No.22297992

This cutie will never experience the factory IRL.

Why live?

>> No.22297996

Shut up, explaine-kun.

>> No.22298000

how many times have you read umineko?

>> No.22298001
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i I thought you liked my explainetion!!!!

>> No.22298010

3 or 4 now i rereading it for my manifesto!!!

>> No.22298053

your enthusiasm is cute.

>> No.22298058

i must study but fuck i discover the true solution of umineko!!!!

>> No.22298062

Erika saw Dlanor. Dlanor existed as a real person in Rokkenjima.

>> No.22298075

this is meta world!!!!
detective powers only works in a game world

>> No.22298095

Oh yeah? Say it in red.

>> No.22298102

The reader must have the same possibilities as the detective to solve the mystery. All clues and traces must be clearly listed and described.
van dyne true
only works in a mistery not in a fantasy

>> No.22298118

Oh yeah? Say that Van Dine applies to Battler's game in red.

>> No.22298124

will killed goats like you with van dyne truths in 8th chapter

>> No.22298135

Erika chooses not to use the detective's authority for that game in part 12 of ep 6, Oct 5th 1986 1:11AM.
She cannot use it later because the detective cannot be a culprit, and she became the culprit in order to lock Battler in a logic error.
I see no point arguing about anything else because it's a fact.

>> No.22298142

That doesn't mean Battler's game uses Van Dine. Dlanor is real.

>> No.22298176

I wanna make her scream

>> No.22298218
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>> No.22298302

Scream as in sexually?

>> No.22298342

Koshka best girl.

>> No.22298351

I assume he wants to make her suffer.

>> No.22298432

I'm inclined to agree, but you never know with Ryukishi this early on in a story.

>> No.22298484

Kohska and Lilja were kinda low on my list but the data fragments made me like them more.

>> No.22298502
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i finally finished ciconia!!
that took a while.

i liked it a lot!
in the beginning i was dubious but when you start understanding the factions ecc.. it get's really interesting.

so what did i miss when i was away?
what are the theories?
where are the memes?
what the fuck was the 16th fragment? Maya can't be both in Geroy and an escort. is this a loop thing?

>> No.22298554

Grave Mole kette is best.

>> No.22298616

i wonder if maya is going to be the kind of pitiful character that has a shitty fate no matter which loop she is in (assuming that loops are going to be a thing).

>> No.22298753

>That Filename
ok i laughed more than i should
i don't even know if it was intentional

>> No.22298767
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So, who are the players? Kings vs Seshat? Then who's the monster Seshat is referring to? Are Kings actually pawns of the reptilians? The scientists don't seem to be a direct opponent of the Kings, they're just doing their own thing from the looks of it. Are Kings not aware of Seshat's movements, thinking that they have no opponent?
My main assumption is that the game(board) is obviously not finished yet, and all of that will become clear in phase 2. I also assume that phase 2 is going to use the remainder of the clock from phase 1 and then we'll get a new loop of whatever origin.

>> No.22298790

Leah is cute anons, stephania the cutest among them all, fatma's there too, i guess she has more clout but thats it, stephania and leah are cute af
Yeladot Shavit is my weakness

>> No.22298827

I love Koshka! Russian cat!

>> No.22298954

Not anon but it taught me to not judge people for their worst mistakes and try to have an unbiased judgement on matters I'm a third person in.

>> No.22298957

Is all Ciconia art on twitter? Pixiv and boorus have fucking nothing.

>> No.22298966

the monster that calls itself gods representative is probably a direct analogue to the beast king from revelations, but I wonder how you'd translate that into a sci-fi setting.

>> No.22298977

Pretty much, unfortunately. Nobody uses actual art sites nowadays.

>> No.22299019

The king of the reptilians, obviously. What concerns me is that "it was aliens" is a really uncool move but it was strongly hinted that alien's aren't out of the picture during Vier's first appearance. The other possibility is the Matrix ripoff which wouldn't be very exciting either. Still, I hope that Ryukishi won't disappoint in the end.

>> No.22299248

There's already scifi interpretations of Revelations. Pretty much any Maoist type figure would fit the bill under the right circumstances

>> No.22299257

holy fucking shit how long will this le gay buddies shit go on
it's making me nuts

>> No.22299328

If you're talking about Jayden and Miyao, there's nothing gay about it. They're just acting like normal friends and I'm not hitting on Miyao.

>> No.22299417

what is that from

>> No.22299449

>I actually thought the arcade thing was gonna be peak faggotry
what the FUCK

>> No.22299513
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Made me nut too

>> No.22299570

She return the detective
[Request: 'I am not the rescuer.']Of course!You are the detective, are you not? Don't worry, I will respect that!

>> No.22299606

I enjoyed it.

>> No.22299862 [DELETED] 

That is unironically one of the best parts of the novel. I love Ruykishi's character interactions and it's a reason why for me "Walls of Peace" talks were so boring, because instead we got characters standing still and comment over the hardships of being a soldiers and not wanting to be a gamepiece, inside a bath.

>> No.22299923

>the fact that Naima poops

>> No.22299958

With multiple personalities, you could actually have an alter that's never used the bathroom.

>> No.22299966

Wow, you used his own thing against him. Neat.

>> No.22299974

She can't return to being the detective, because she already declared herself as the culprit of this game.
She is only a 'detective' only in name, it is forbidden by Knox for the real detective to be the culprit.

>> No.22299984

The red true say that she was a detective
A mistery without a detective isnt a mistery.
She wasnt the detective only before the logic error
After this she return the detective.
The reader must have the same possibilities as the detective to solve the mystery. All clues and traces must be clearly listed and described
Van dyne truth
Beatrice said that during logic error she was the detective
Its a battler game the mastermind is battler
Every mistery need someone who saw only the true or its all a big insult!!!!

>> No.22299986

Learn how to speak English, stop using exclamation points like a fucking retard, stop posting like an obnoxious mongoloid.
You are a blight.

>> No.22299996

Not insult!!!!!!
1bit goat!!!!!!
Erika is the detective confirmed by the red truth said by beatrice!!!!!
The detective cant see any lies!!!!!!
So why she didnt saw yasu body in the closet?

>> No.22300003

Just learn to fucking write.
Spero che tu comprenda che sei un subumano, e finchè scriverai come un coglione non verrai mai preso sul serio. Rovini ogni cazzo di thread in cui posti con i tuoi messaggi di merda, e non meriti manco di essere preso in considerazione. Esprimiti come un essere umano, invece che come un cazzo di negro, e magari qualcuno potrà essere interessato a parlare civilmente, invece di trattarti come la merda che dimostri di essere.

>> No.22300015

You mad discord tranny
Stop insult and start to read umineko vn and argument!!!

>> No.22300037
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It's honestly fucking hilarious that you people keep trying to reason with Erikantricefag while he plays by his own rules and is immune to insult. All you should do is ignore him and report for spam, but no, you keep talking to the crazy person as if your words have miracle healing powers that will make him not retarded.

>> No.22300043

Until the Ciconia hype abates, it's going to keep going like this. The threads are slow, and the amount of new people ensures that less experienced /jp/sies not familiar with the local rules will engage with shitposts, instead of ignoring them.

>> No.22300056

Why i just post my theory
Its umineko related
But maybe people here fear the true

>> No.22300090

didn't you get btfo multiple times just in this thread my man
maybe it's time to stop

>> No.22300103


>Then who's the monster Seshat is referring to?

It's Jayden

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>> No.22300146

Which faction does Australia belong to?
Did we get nuked out of existence or did Ryukishi just forget about my country like these kinds of stories always do?

>> No.22300168

Wait, Australia exists IRL? Wtf?

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>> No.22300180

I discuss with an anon about how shkanon can put the chapel key in the boiler room if the door was closet.
He said that the room was a fake closed He didnt deny my theory
Only proof that shkanon is possible if accomplices can fake a closed room even if there are not-accomplices near!!!
But this cmon is fake (there arent red truth but cmon)

>> No.22300192

Bing bing wahoo

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>tfw none of the characters are from italy

after umi i was sure at least one of the characters would be from italy

no mario doesn't count

>> No.22300234

Okonogi's training method is actually pretty effective.

It creates kind of a Stockholm syndrome that makes you feel morally indebted to him. Like "damn, the instructor is such an asshole, and I'm a worthless piece of garbage, but that one time he complimented me! He went out of his way to treat me nicely even though he didn't have to and I don't deserve it". It makes you want to obey him and do all you can to bring him good news, even if it conflicts with your morals or Miyao's ideals or whatever.

It's like when a bully is suddenly nice to you for a few days. You feel like such a loser, and the bully feels like a superior existence that is graciously treating you like an equal because he's so generous. So you end up feeling gratitude toward the bully even though he's a fucking bastard.

It's crazy how kids understand this sort of mind game even in elementary school.

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>his country doesn't have a gauntlet knight

>> No.22300248

Is that why Chloe killed Asuka? Was Asuka refusing to abandon the order's oath?

Chloe must be very vulnerable to that sort of thing because she's a humiliatee with low self esteem. Why else would they show us that scene of Okonogi dragging her away from that stupid research center? He has been training her for the whole game and that's why she changed so much during the second half. And it explains her apparent crush on Okonogi. She's got Stockholm syndrome.

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Chloe probably wants to feel like she's always improving/has more to learn.

Speaking of, lotta people seem to think she's a traitor of some kind or had some reason to off Lilja. I just thought the (probable) CPP Chloe was just an edgelord who used the first opportunity to kill off Gravemole so she can go solo and have a better chance of survival (like her bio says). Is that probable?

>> No.22300264

Holy FUCK she's cute as hell. Pathetic ass childish human! Lewd!

>> No.22300267

How the fuck did Ryuukishi come up with a story about weaponized DID?

>> No.22300273

Sorry to interrupt but Erika clearly declares in red truth she is the detective after the logic error battle scene. The initial theory of Erikatrice: there are 2 people named Erika, one of them is the real detective, the other is an alternate persona of Kanon (Kanontrice)/Yasu. Meta Erika is a fusion of both.
In Alliance Beatrice forbid any 18th human and any 18th person in all games (depends on how you see this red truth.)

In the early parlor scene where everyone is gathered Lamda made a confusing statement:
Erika only increased it by one person and besides her the number of people does not change. Using the Erikatrice interpretation this means there are - without Kinzo- already 17 people w/o Erika. We beieve Beatrice's truth is true and Erika (as an persona) belongs to the 17 people while 1 person was substracted.
So, we can give the detective authority to a dead girl swimming in the ocean and let zhe other Erika do "detective things". Knox mysteries don't need detectives. (But Bern declare's herself a detective, not Erika) The reader can solve the 5th and 6th game by hints and red truths. Ironically, the red truths regarding "Genji never left the mansion after 24:00" and "Krauss was killed after the morning call" (stated by Bern) are hinting Erika was able to "investigate" them. Yup, culprits have the power to turn human truth into red truth.

What do you think, everyone?

>> No.22300289

this was the wtc where i laughed the most.

did someone wrote the jokes for him?
and they are actually good jokes without any of the cringe the jokes in higurashi had
what happened?

>> No.22300358

Really good
I dont understand the krauss death
So for you erika kill krauss?
So the death erika was the detective and erika the culprit with detective authority?
I am very atheist about the real furude erika because lambda say in read that:She does not exist in the worlds before this one, nor does she influence them. So i didnt think that there is a dead body in rokkenjima

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>> No.22300410

What even happened to Jan-Poo, the guy who was writing Witch of Truth?
He also wrote Witches and Woodlands, but has been inactive for years.

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Excuse me?

>> No.22300448


i expected a "tea party" after the end with him as beato

kinda disappointed that we got no meta stuff after the ending.

>> No.22300478

1st: Bern is in the human side. Ehe cannot produce red truths unless Erika saw it. Detective's view is objective which equals red truth. But game 6 shows that the culprit can also have an objective view. However supernatural agencies that produces red truth out oft höhere are forbidden Luke "Natsuhi is not the culprit". This implies Bern either cheated OR Erika did some " investigation" aka killed Genji and Krauss. Keep in mind it was not shown that Erika investigate the seal on the waiting room with Genji in it. But the red truth just showed Genji didn't left the mansion after 24:00 .
2nd: It's very confusing but there is an unwritten rule that humans ARE allowed to speak red truth like Natsuhi and Erika did. However witches can transform "human" truth Ingo red truth as long there are no lies in them. That's what I try to say that Bern creates red truth from Erika's viewpoint.

>> No.22300513

But remember that lambda ,the game master, can Confrim and give red truth(berncastle sold her body).
In my theory george is the culprit
So if erika created the strategy of killing she can knew the truth about the homicides.

>> No.22300618

>Bernkastel sold her body
How lewd. Pretty much over the story Lamda teases Bern. Meta Erika is artifical IMO. It's just the opinion how Bern and the world want to see her. I am pretty sure she was dead INSIDE in Prime and tried to kill herself.

>> No.22300635

I'm probably wrong but from what I understood the Kings, Toujiro and Seshat are more or less in the same side of wanting to wipe humanity so aliens doesn't take over, so they're kind of allied, even though the three of them doesn't seem to have the exact same goal.

>> No.22300640

it's funny though, probably Ryukishi's best comedy bits

>> No.22300647

Why not? He's the best one

>> No.22300650


he's not a main character he literally comes up does shit and disappears
not even a sprite

>> No.22300661

If Ciconia loops I bet he'll have a slightly bigger role in phase 2, maybe even a sprite, keep hope anon!

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>The red true say that she was a detective
uhhh sweetie it does not

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Sorry to interrupt but Beatrice clearly declares in red truth she is the Golden Witch so witches exist.

>> No.22301042

She's a detective, but she doesn't have the detective's authority, just like Battler didn't use it in all of his games.

>> No.22301063

Detective authority didnt include all what detective see is true
Because this power is given by van dyne

>> No.22301065

She never looked into the closet so it doesn't matter.

>> No.22301066

Erika confirm so she was the detective

>> No.22301071

She was the detective she cant kill anyone
So if the gun didnt shot this mean that someome was in the closet
But instead the gun shot this mean no one in the closet.

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I'm sorry, I don't understand.
Beato was standing in front of the closet when Erika shot blue truth at it. This means witches exist, since the detective observed the witch. Welcome to the Golden Land!

>> No.22301161

I mean
Beato say:you are the detective,are you not?
Erika didnt said nothing
This mean she knew that she was the detective.

Sorry but i will never accept the witch
Meta erika and erika pawn are different
If meta erika shot and kills beatrice erika pawn must didnt shot because this mean someone is in the closet
Meanwhile if meta erika didnt shot pawn erika must shot because no one is in the closet.

>> No.22301190

There was never a non-meta gun in this scene. Feel free to prove me otherwise.

>> No.22301256

Lile erika didnt saw kanon
Erika saw the gun this mean the gun exist
Van dyne is the most powerfull weapon.

>> No.22301292

>Erika saw the gun this mean the gun exist
Erika saw blue truth going around Beato, this means magic exists.

>> No.22301318

Meta erika isnt erika
Image the moment when erika relize that she didnt bring a gun in the room.
The gun of kanon shannon duel is the same gun that had erika

>> No.22301397

Tell me about Gayden, why is he wearing a veil

>> No.22301476

i like the theory that the blue bodies are supposed to be robotic/virtual.

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>> No.22301604

And he doesn't even respond in Italian. Confirms that the whole thing is fake.

>> No.22301619

this is an english board capito terun di merda

>> No.22301645


all the good non meme fanarts are for Gunhilde

is it because she looks like Mion?

>> No.22301664

Gunhild is top SS+ operator in the inertantional conspiracy. INERTHANTIONAL. She's important and Cute and Big Boobed and also she has a sister that whore herself to capitain for Gauntlets; Gunhild is the best. Only the people who follow Erikantrice would admist thjat Gunhilde's not the best. Believe it, dattaybayo.

>> No.22301669

Damn. Why did all the artists migrate to fucking Twitter of all things?

I guess it's still better than Pixiv unless autistic Japanese artists are just as prone to nuking their twitter accounts too. Hopefully not.

At least it's not fucking deviantart with its cancerous watermark culture.

>> No.22301684

Reminder that Chloe canonically posts mental porn of herself online and Gunhild flicks her bean to it.

I bet she blackmailed Chloe after Tip#1 and fucked her.

>> No.22301691

Her tits look like they're going to fall out. Do AOU girls not have bras?

>> No.22301746

Talk about bug eyes, yuck.

>> No.22301759

It's easy to see why they'd pick her
>Only girl in the main kette
>fun personality
>Erika-esque twintails
>big boobs with cleavage
>plenty of screentime

>> No.22301773

I think it's because on twitter you're more likely to get feedback. Artists see all those likes and retweets and feel motivated. And they even get comments on their work. The ego trip and fast recognition is more important to them than preserving their work on an actual art site.

>> No.22301792

I think that's great and all, but I'll never understand their utter disregard for preservation and how many of them go out of their way to destroy any copies of their works on a whim.

>> No.22301802
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>anti-miyao thinks the reason he was created was horrifying
Does he not know Murder Miyao was made to stop hell on earth?
Okay, random theory time
>Takano is Miyao's mom and created the murder program personality
>She gave the murder program a compulsion to kill "them", who actually are the 3 Kings and it isn't a red herring
>Gave Miyao's someone's memories of the factory, and told Program Miyao that he needed to kill "them" to stop it
>Takano actually lied to him and her ultimate goal is to have the 3 kings killed so the factory is certain to be created
>She made Murder Program Miyao think that killing the 3 kings was a good thing to do so emotions wouldn't get in the way, and that way the fact that he wants to kill them under the compulsion would be hidden by his desire of avenging his dead friends
>Anti-Miyao is Murder Program from the future, somehow

Someone who just has to be Miyao's mother claims that she created him to stop <hell>

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so what about that thing in the lab that takes you 1000 years into the future?

i think the idea is that Koshka is supposed to go inside it?

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Bras became obsolete in the A3W era thanks to new scientific advancements. Now there are 8MS in the atmosphere whose sole purpose is to support women's breasts, offering personalized care and greater comfort and than any B3W era brassiere with their crude cups and digging straps.

>> No.22301838

Believe me anon, it baffles me too. I've been doing my best to check twitter daily and save any WTC art I come across, in the hopes of preserving it. Of course, since it's from twitter there's plenty of unnecessary jpg artifacts.

>> No.22301840


look how smug she is

>> No.22301851

She's got a hairy pussy and an ass. How can she be so smug? Her naked body is pathetic and obscene.

>> No.22301862

she has a cool rocker/punk theme to her i guess? is there any character you want to see? i might draw it.

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Koshka has the best fanart though

>> No.22301866
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That's the face of a woman who's never had to experience back pain or shoulder aches, free to enjoy the benefits of her voluptuous chest with none of the negative repercussions. The comfort of letting her unrestrained breasts dangle freely in her blouse without fear of sagging or bouncing, knowing the 8MS will take care of everything for her.

>> No.22301885


>is there any character you want to see?

Lilja is cute

god if she died and Ryukishi doesn't reset i'm going to be so mad

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seconding Lilja.

>> No.22301922

>Takano actually lied to him and her ultimate goal is to have the 3 kings killed so the factory is certain to be created
that actually would explain why miyao is tasked with preventing the factory but should kill the 3 kings when the 3 kings seemingly have the same goal.

but one thing, the one telling him to kill the 3 kings is anti-miyao. anti-miyao specifically told him he should kill the 3 kings (not even "them", he specifically referred to the kings), either that or he should kill himself.
so since anti-miyao is anti-murderprogram, i doubt the murder program is targeting the 3 kings.

>> No.22301943

what if both the kings and the lab are meta?

the kings are the emotions that lead humanity to war

the lab is...
the 8ms?
like the meta version of the 8ms?
the 8ms wich created a network and became self aware?

>> No.22301968

Third for Lilja

>> No.22301980

That TIP was hilarious, but it's also concerning. I think Chloe likes the idea of being alone in a zombie apocalypse way too much and finds it a comfy way to die.

This is why I believe she's the traitor. She wants to survive until the zombification 8MS kicks in and then commit suicide because she's fed up with the world.

>> No.22301988

So what organization is ciconia world's 4chan part of?
Are we being used by illuminati?

>> No.22301997

What if she gets tons of screentime in flashbacks and tips but her humiliating death remains?

>> No.22301999

>of herself
no, it was some kind of furry porn if i understood correctly.
but yes, gunhild probably masturbated over it.

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>> No.22302005

Gunhild was interested in her furry porn, but that's just one of the many kinky fetishes Chloe engaged in.

I don't think she's a furry, she just likes the humiliation of being fucked by a beast. But it's far from the best form of humiliation.

>> No.22302021

Doesn't it make the viewer experience the situation itself? That probably means Gunhild has experienced being Chloe and getting her ass humiliated in multiple VR experiences, all coming straight from Chloe's wild imagination.

I guess those with poor visualization skills would be terrible at it and use pre-made footage instead. Chloe can get a clear picture using her imagination alone, including all five senses, and then adorn it with special effects after saving it as a video.

>> No.22302023

Gunhild flashing her tits at a black metal concert.

>> No.22302036

She enjoys the obscenity of her own body and is probably an exhibitionist. She just doesn't have the guts to do exhibitionism shit IRL.

>> No.22302042

Gunhild's sister flashing her tits at a party full of obese old men with double chins straight out of a doujin.

>> No.22302046

Death is only humiliating if she begs for her life. She went our cursing Kuroe and didn't have time to piss herself before she plummeted to the ground.

>> No.22302047

You type like a 4th grader. Fuck off unless you are a girl, kiddo.

>> No.22302048

Not as fun.

>> No.22302056

She got hit by incoming rockets m8

>> No.22302067


because i'm not english.

4th grade is probably were my writing skills are at

>> No.22302071

>unless you are a girl
I fail to see how typing like a retard would be acceptable for a girl, but not for a boy. Let's not have unnecessary double standards here, that writing's universally stupid.

>> No.22302090

I don't know what the fuck you retarded dumbasses are arguing about, but Erika isn't the detective in 6.

>> No.22302093


>> No.22302129

Because retarded girls are extremely cute, and retarded boys aren't.

>> No.22302130

guys I think cyclops and cyclops might be the same person

>> No.22302156

So I picked up Myth after reading your post and I just finished.
There's so much to unpack from the Myth program itself its hard to pin down everything regarding parallels to Ciconia. Maybe once I've got it consolidated in my head I'll have a better shot.
Brain in jars after some sort of calamity is a common trait though, if we assume meat factory is taking place post phase 1 rather than concurrent with the story at least.
also cheers for the rec mate

>> No.22302173

Lolis type like retards and that's what makes them so charming.

>> No.22302182

Your English skill has nothing to do with your total lack of punctuation.

>> No.22302189

>I fail to see how typing like a retard would be acceptable for a girl, but not for a boy.
Would you really chase away a 4th grade cutie just because she's a bit dumb? This isn't the /jp/ I knew.

>> No.22302198

Lolis shouldn't be reading all this humiliation talk. They are cuter if they come up with their own awkward fetishes instead of being spoonfed the lewdest imaginings right away on fucking 4chan.

>> No.22302212

>It's made exactly how you'd expect a game from a WTC fan would be.
In a good way or in a bad way?

>> No.22302385

What are the chances that Meow survives?

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>Miyao is a murder program created to stop the factory from being created
>Anti-Miyao comes from a future where the factory was avoided and it was so much worse he went back in time to make sure the factory happens

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incredible writing

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>> No.22302834

Beato gangsta

>> No.22302835

>still better than Pixiv
yeah no, pixiv has way better search function and doesn't screw with the uploaded image as much
and of course they'll prune their twitters as well because most of them are afraid their old art would be found when they get a paid gig - not many embrace it

>implying we're not already

>> No.22302887

Gunhild singing this when?

>> No.22302911

gunhild its just a basic norf bitch

>> No.22303149

Pixiv also doesn’t use endless scroll, which automatically makes it better for archiving.

>> No.22303211

Where's the theory that battler has rough sex with everyone?

>> No.22303355

Fine, you all like the ERIKANTRICE theory, but can it explain why that name has an N in the middle?

>> No.22303489

N for Kanon.

>> No.22303502
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Jesus Christ the tumblr noses
But there's still a couple okay ones not posted in those threads

>> No.22303533

Where's anonymous with his Jessica x Battler story? He better just have died at this point. Or had his hands removed.

>> No.22303536

internet patriots

>> No.22303555
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>So what organization is ciconia world's 4chan part of?

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>> No.22303853

just started ciconia and it's so good even if the music is awful
...sorta surprised ryu's pandering to fujos but knowing how this shit goes i bet miyao is gonna be like, actually a girl somehow/was a girl in the past

>> No.22303874

strange enough, someone came up with the Jaydeen Hanyuu theory: http://kurodango.dou-jin.com/%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%82%A4%E3%83%87%E3%83%B3%E8%80%83%E5%AF%9F/%E3%82%BC%E3%83%AD%E3%81%8B%E3%82%89%E8%80%83%E3%81%88%E7%9B%B4%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F%E6%9C%80%E7%B5%82%E7%9A%84%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%82%A4%E3%83%87%E3%83%B3%E8%80%83%E5%AF%9F

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pic related

>> No.22303918

Remember, this is the cries of the Ciconias: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MgFyurBxXE

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i want to fuck kuroe until she starts making ciconia noises.

>> No.22304007

Okay, but why are you calling her Kuroe?

>> No.22304009

because she'll be Japanese by the time i'm done with her.

>> No.22304108

She only fucks dogs.

>> No.22304116

Nobody knows that anon's a dog on the Internet.

>> No.22304120

My thoery truth confirmed

>> No.22304125

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Jestress is Beatrice.

>> No.22304132

I mean

>> No.22304142

But it's japanese so we would have to be kanon not anon.

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you're one to talk, beato

>> No.22304183

Umineko is all western
Even the name
So ryukishi thought the anon name in english add the c of culprit canon and change it to k for a better sound and translate it in japanese

>> No.22304627

They're talking about "them", possibly an alien entity/temporal entity/Great One/whatever. The Three Kings want to prevent "them" from coming by wiping out humanity occasionally. Seshat's order splintered from the Three Kings armed forces an undisclosed amount of time ago, potentially over a difference in philosophy, but she doesn't see the Three Kings plans as something inherently bad. Seshat, and by extension her order, wants to save humanity from "them". That is also Toujirou's goal, and just like Seshat, he seems to back the Three Kings' plan, at least a little.

One can infer that wiping out humanity makes sense when you get into the big picture.

The players on humanity's side are Toujirou, Miyao's mother (at least at the point of Miyao's conception), Seshat, the Three Kings, and (only partially because of her own agenda) Jestress. On the other end of the game table are "them", which we know next to nothing about, except that they're already far into a/the game, and doesn't seem to acknowledge humanity's players at first. Takano is seemingly on neither side but is still a player, just doing science stuff with bing bing wahoo. She could have allied herself with "them", though, what with calling their strange artifacts "Wisdom", which is a term Seshat sees as completely bogus and highly treatorous.

At this point of time, "them" could be aliens, nanomachines AI from the depth of space, humanity's future that time travelled into the past, inter-dimensional travellers, hell, even witches or actually angels.

We can infer a little more about "them" by using the parallels with the Book of Revelation and what was shown by meta Miyao, but it's on shaky ground. It is possible that "they" are the angels in the Revelation, here to bring heaven on earth. If that is so, that heaven could be the meat factory. Assuming aliens, it could be that some alien empires come after a civilization develops well enough to put them all into VR. Maybe as a "gift" or something. The Three Kings, knowing that, have decided to reset civilization from time to time.

>> No.22304756

stop being a brainlet and make your own map, you'll never solve the masters riddles with your lack of creativity

>> No.22304993

do you think that this will be the last WTC?

>> No.22305016

So "evil" Chloe betrayed them but "normal" Chole will not remember anything?

>> No.22305030

is it just based on the hair color and the horns?

>> No.22305043

Honestly Maricarmen looks like a fart queen

>> No.22305050

In this capitalist world money could save everything.

>> No.22305079


>ryu's pandering to fujos

bro ryu has been into traps since higu

>> No.22305224

It's so weird to realize that even tomboys like Mion and Jessica have 80s bushes between their legs.

They are so boyish and masculine, and yet their naked bodies are the epitome of femininity. There is nothing more feminine than a hairy pussy. They are such tomboys, and yet their naked bodies reveal their true nature. They are females and it's natural for them to be fucked and squeal like pigs, abandoning all pride and masculinity. Lewd!

>> No.22305316

Wait, so Ciconia is a Haworthia prequel?

>> No.22305343
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Edit anon here. Been a while since I did my topless Chloe edit. To make up for lost time, I decided to try and do the next two girls together. Here's what I have so far. It's my first time working with a dark-skinned character, and overall I'm happy with how it's going so far.

>> No.22305348

>no nipples yet
You could take some reference from Satoko's nude sprite or Ryuukishi's old Leaf Fight cards. Although those were all loli nipples for the most part, so they may not look good on actual breasts.

>> No.22305369
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Phase 1 is a virtual repetition of the end of the world after the factory ending. They are all brains hooked to VR.

Phase 2 will continue the world-ending disasters and the stuff we saw after the credits. It will end with them being pulled out of the simulation and given organics automata bodies (Blue Jayden scene).

Phase 3 will be about humans in organics automata bodies restoring the Earth or eliminating the key factors that make it impossible for humans to live in, now that the 8MS is broken. At some point, someone is thrown into the 1000 year door and stays there frozen in time.

Phase 4 takes place 1000 years after the main story and shows how humanity has recovered its population and technology has advanced enough for space travel to be a regular thing. But they are all a new species of human that was genetically modified thanks to Koshka's brain so they could survive in the Earth's environment. Miyao and the others are still alive in those blue automata bodies, protecting the world.

It could very well be a prequel to Haworthia.

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Nipples are usually the last thing I add. I've still gotta fine tune the shading values and recreate the texture effect before I'm ready for the finishing touches. Even then, I can't post the complete versions on /jp/
I do need to start giving some thought as to how I'll handle their nipples though, as far as size, position, and color are concerned.

>> No.22305378

So all that happened in Phase 1 actually happened IRL but we are experiencing a simulation of it with several changes thanks to Blue Miyao's interference with Miyao's brain?

I just want Lingji to be a fucking brain in a jar and hopefully get an blue angel body or whatever after having her disembodied brain disconnected from the VR. If Phase 1 is real life she's fucking dead for good.

>> No.22305388
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Consider a different image host please.

>> No.22305389
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not him but had to

>> No.22305397

Any suggestions?

>> No.22305401

I see artists using both Google Drive and Mega, but I wouldn't know if or how they can be a pain for the uploader.

>> No.22305407

How's this?

>> No.22305411

Damn, Jessica sure is pathetic.

>> No.22305420

Functional, so loads better than Imgur, but it should also be possible to create browsable folders on Mega if you can be bothered to figure out how.

Nice edit by the way.

>> No.22305430
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Yeah, I know how to do that. It's just that I only put the one file there for now.
And thanks. I'd considered possibly doing an animation based on it at some point. But it's just an idea for now.

>> No.22305440

I'd love an animation of best girl if you can find the time since yeah, this is actually really good.

>> No.22305455
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The idea I had was for Okonogi's disembodied hand to try and chop her head like always, only for his hand to miss and end up knocking her blouse down.

>> No.22305465

What color should Seshat's nipples be? Dark brown to match her skin tone, or pink to contrast it?

>> No.22305468

You have one of these bouncy gifs/webms with Natsuhi?

>> No.22305472

Right, he "missed". I like it.

>> No.22305489
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Nope, but I do have Eva.
He'd end up with his hand wedged in her cleavage, the inner sider of her bare breast resting in his palm.

>> No.22305496

A shame, but Eva is pretty good too. Arigatou.

>> No.22305517

>He'd end up with his hand wedged in her cleavage, the inner sider of her bare breast resting in his palm.

That is quite a move, but if it's Okonogi I can believe it.

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You're welcome.
Knowing him he might end up berating poor Chloe even more, as if it were somehow her fault.

>> No.22305536

>Knowing him he might end up berating poor Chloe even more, as if it were somehow her fault.

Isn't it? She probably tried to move out of the way.

>> No.22305542

I feel like Phase 2-4 is going to be even more horrific if Vier wants to turn planet earth into a zoo of immortal, disfigured, brain-damaged humans.

Chloe's VR experience is foreshadowing for the Zombie 8MS. People will have to choose between getting eaten by the zombies or going to the factory and become brains in jars.

I think the whole world is already VR and Chloe's zombie movie is a memory from the real world before she got turned into a disembodied brain in a jar. That's why it's so realistic despite being made solely from her imagination.

>> No.22305546

True. She most likely dodged without thinking. In that case, I wonder how he'd punish her for causing such a scene.

>> No.22305552

>zombies break into the factory and start eating Lingji's brain in a jar

>> No.22305566

>Lilja MEOWS
>Koshka means CAT
>Chloe has a hairy PUSSY
Why the fuck aren't they the warcats?

>> No.22305575

Those arrows on Naomi's profile are probably there for the Phase 2 alter reveal.

But what about Lingji's profile removing the COU flag from the background? Is she secretly allied with some other faction?

>> No.22305585

This is a start!

>> No.22305588

Another round in the simulator, but she doesn't get to fix her blouse first.

>> No.22305600
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The world is VR and Toujirou is connecting his brain to it. He and Seshat are IRL people manifesting as avatars, that's why they can hack stuff.

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I think this is meant to be Bern.

She's manifesting as a random COU gauntlet knight trainee piece, while Lambda is manifesting as Jestress, who is in cahoots with the three kings.

It's all a game between them with Lambda as the dominant game master and Bern as a weak piece, for old time's sake.

>> No.22305618

I meant AOU.

>> No.22305697

Luckily it wouldn't affect her avatar in the simulator, but knowing that her real body is exposed would cause Chloe's performance to plummet as she's constantly stressing out over it. This, of course, would only make Okonogi even angrier, lecturing her about how a soldier shouldn't allow such distractions to hinder her performance. To drill this into her head, he'd force her to remain topless until she can properly control her embarrassment and provide satisfactory results.

>> No.22305705

I'm pretty sure all background knights are put together from different sprites

>> No.22305725

has the jp community pushed out any notable theories or discoveries? wouldn't it be harder for them to work with anything concerning revelations?

>> No.22305726

Obviously, but that head sillhouette is still modified to look even more like Bern's than Maricarmen does.

It's obvious that Ryuukishi intended that character to be Bern, not some freak fusion of different characters. Or at least he wants us to see Bern there.

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>> No.22305740

30% of the characters have congenital DID.

The other 30% look like it but are actually suffering from other shit that increases their P3 level regardless. Trauma induced DID, bipolar disorder or straight up snapping from the abuse (Chloe).

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on one hand i think that this can't possibly not be a puzzle, and on the other hand it's weird that if you go into the files and remove he clock, you'll find another city hidden behind it. was ryukishi expecting people to find this or is it all random?

>> No.22305778

It doesn't seem like Ryukishi's style to make people dig into the files and stuff.

>> No.22305799

yeah, and that would suggest that either the hidden city isn't relevant or that the whole thing isn't important.
but then why the cipher? or maybe it is just supposed to be the written language in ciconia-verse.

>> No.22305813

There's a pretty big theory about Jayden being Hanyuu.

It's a bit far fetched, but their "I'm paying attention" serious faces are very similar and their hair too.

>> No.22305818

What if going to a real map and linking all the towns makes a certain shape?

>> No.22305829

Okay I've heard some wacko theories but Jaydenyuu (Hanyden?) has got to be the weirdest so far.

>> No.22305877
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they're all over the globe so i doubt that. i tried it in google maps once. also some city names might have multiple places they could be referring to.
a surprising amount of them are in north america

>> No.22305896

>"I'm paying attention"
it's been too long since higurashi for me. if that was something hanyuu said then there may be a connection.

>> No.22305915

No, I mean their serious faces. As opposed to their angry faces.

>> No.22306036

Well, finished now everything I found.
Just to be clear, is there anything posterior to the 16th frag?

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>> No.22306076
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Fragment 17.

>> No.22306120

The background when Evil Miyao appears might be called "meta", but that doesn't mean it's the same meta as the meta in Umineko.

The Higurashi meta was a series of parallel universes in the realm of the gods.

The Umineko meta was connected to the Higurashi one but it was mostly a metafictional world where thoughts and ideas are given form. It's a world of fiction.

The Ciconia meta could easily be UNDER the world itself, not above. Meaning that the "meta world" where Evil Miyao appears could just be inside Miyao's selcom, in the region of his brain where selcom is installed.

If Meow is the only real one, and Miyao + Evil Miyao are programs installed in her brain, it makes sense that Evil Miyao only interacts with Miyao himself and Keropoyo (another selcom program). This Evil Miyao tends to appear after Public Bath chats, ripping away the bathhouse background to reveal the "meta" behind it. Meaning it's all selcom shit inside his head, not a superior world or anything.

>> No.22306130

So, you want them to be a fujoshi feminist? What are you, dumb?

>> No.22306136

GTFO Jayden

>> No.22306144

I want to humiliate this childish bitch.

>> No.22306148

So all the humiliation tease will be turned on its head and everyone will get a robot body?

>> No.22306156

Asuka exploded into a million pieces and her disgusting internal organs were scattered all over the place. She's humiliated and dead.

>> No.22306193

Ok, so we have humanity fighting a collective which seems to be alien to earth, which could be witches in the meta sense or "angels". There is a lot of reference to New Testament and Illuminati.
We also have boys and girls factory produced which prematurely control mecha devices.
Is it me or Ryukishi is trying to make his Evangelion?
In a sense I could say that he is trying to make his version of Notes, although Notes is Evangelion inspired in some sense, so no wonder.

>> No.22306216

he said in an interview that Ciconia was similar or based in "evangelion genre"

>> No.22306218

>Is it me or Ryukishi is trying to make his Evangelion?
kinda. see https://0707toshokan.wordpress.com/2019/10/13/famitsu-special-interview/

>> No.22306226

>Ange got humiliated so hard that she wants to turns humans into brains and free them of their human condition so no one can lewd or bully someone because they can't poo

>> No.22306231

Heh, well, no wonder it was similar.

>> No.22306240

Gunhild would still be pathetic even as a brain in a jar or even as a head in a porcelain blue body. Because she remembers being a pathetic human even if she isn't one anymore. And even if she erased her memory, others would remember the time when she was a pathetic human. She can't escape from her pathetic human body even as a brain.

>> No.22306250

if they're indeed within the selcom the evil miyao's knowledge of the future basically confirms that the world is in a simulation or loop of some sorts.

either that or a hanyuu like being is somewhere inside miyao.

>> No.22306256
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You even have the AT Field after all.

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Ok, people, you have tons of theories, but nobody is talking about the true mastermind candidate:
I mean, he is an AI that exists in 100% of Selcom and more often than not do very questionable things, like refusing to be deleted.
Remember, this is also a Internet dystopia with people hacking into things and an AI is no joke.

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I finished making the base for Seshat's topless edit. It came out pretty well all things considered. I had some trouble deciding on a color for her nipples, so here are some options.


Vote here on your favorites

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>> No.22306363

Post Lambda!

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>> No.22306401

I Bet you’re so stupid you think purple hair= must be bernkastel!!! We already matched the sillhouette to be Vier’s head, Meows dress and Gunhild’s gauntlet.

>> No.22306792
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It isn't Vier's hair, man. Look closely

>> No.22306812


who is the ciconia tomboy?

>> No.22306852

Who cares what the sprite is made of? It's clearly meant to look like Bernkastel.

>> No.22306881

What the FUCK, just how dirty is my mind?

I was convinced that the censored word Keropoyo suggests in the Music Room is "manko" and thought it was a perverted joke about how seeing a manko makes him grow like a dick with a hilarious Mario mushroom sound effect.

But apparently the word is fucking "Mario", censored for copyright reasons, and the joke is super innocent. What the hell?

>> No.22306902


use a flat map bruh

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It’s Vier’s. The first thing i did when I read that part was to Line Bern’s head up and it didn’t fit. It’s probably just an homage or a red herring.

>> No.22306917

It's alright ciconia is the lewdest game he's made.

>> No.22306930
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you know, i was thinking that too when i posted that. i'll get to it later.

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the final scene with Miyao and Lingji is literally that scene from evangelion.

the one where Gendo activates the dummy system to make the eva fight against Shinji's will and kill Touji

literally the same scene


>> No.22307021

So what's with that image of Miyao dead with half his face gone and a gauntlet on his left arm, which Blue Miyao showed him before the factory scene?

What's up with that? Is that how he dies after killing Lingji?

>> No.22307041

>implying it's not meant to be both

The body doesn't fit, Vier is much older and taller. That's clearly supposed to be Bern, regardless of what they used to make the silhouette. That's probably who Jestress is chasing at the end, it's her lover Bernkastel, playing as a random piece.

>> No.22307068

>Meow suggests the Christmas party
>doesn't attend
>someone gives Toujirou the password to their gauntlet, which only Miyao and Meow know
HMMMMMMMMMM... And Jestress has her exact same face too.

>> No.22307087

Why does literally everyone think Jestress is chasing Koshka at the end? Are they all speedreaders? Koshka is clearly on the floor surrounded by soldiers in a completely different place. Jestress is in the middle of the sea.

What the fuck?

>> No.22307092

what do you mean "everyone"?
barely anybody has mentioned this scene.

>> No.22307098

Main traitor: Meow
Bait: Gunhild, Chloe
Could be: Jayden
Non traitor: Koshka, Lilja
Murder Program: Miyao

>> No.22307099


i tought that while i was reading because it happens later and Koshka was escaping and she is really important

>> No.22307103

You're the first person I've seen with that interpretation.

>> No.22307104
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Is Gunhild using romantic words in Japanese when she says she loves Miyao?

And what does she mean by pic related? If she met Miyao before, she would've been discouraged from becoming a gauntlet knight because she had no natural talent and would've chosen a different profession, instead of becoming a whore that sucked dicks and fucked old men to become a "blue" candidate?

>> No.22307107

gunhild from level C to level S with hardworking.
cmon sold her soul to three kings for power.

>> No.22307111
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Nobody gives Tojiro the password, he has the authority to override gauntlets

>> No.22307115

Pretty much. She drove herself insane studying and her asshole won't close properly after the old fat men got done with her. All so she could access the good PP training instead of being fertilizer.

>> No.22307120

On second thought, that says nothing about the gauntlets. Well shit.

>> No.22307121

Just new artstyle. Design the same

>> No.22307125

Miyao was holding almost 1000 people inside his head. Meow couldn't manifest without crashing selcom and giving them a headache. She requires quite a bit of mental power to become co-conscious with Miyao or vice versa, but it was all used up for the Virtual Room.

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