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here's your mole

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>> No.22263858

Pole humillante

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Chloe Ironside is playing all factions.
She will lead the ultra powerful gelroy test subjects in a revolt against the bully democracies of the A3W world and establish the Absolute Anti-bully Dictatorship faction.
This is not a prediction but a prophecy.
All hail lady Chloe.

>> No.22263990

I don't buy it. Chloevil will take over and teach the world the joy of bullying

>> No.22264031

>tfw I love Yukari
>her physical and spiritual expy is a major character in WTC5
This is the best timeline. Too bad nobody gives a shit about Yukari or Higanbana as a whole.

>> No.22264034

Nah, Anon's right, he's just not telling the full story. Chloe's goal in setting up the anti-bully dictatorship is so that she herself can be the only bully and get sweet revenge.

>> No.22264043

Yukari was a spiritual successor to Ange.

So technically she has been the ultimate humiliatee for three expies in a row.

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ange masturbated 4 times a day

>> No.22264099

Higanbana has some hilarious character profiles.

I like how Sumire's ghost story evolved due to the malicious modern society. She was originally a ghost story about a beautiful preteen girl in a kimono who appears out of nowhere after school and joins your group of friends. When the sun sets and everyone starts going to their respective homes, the last kid to be alone with her will be spirited away and never be seen again. But in recent decades, modern kids started making fun of her kimono and bullying her for it, turning her into the bullying youkai.

>> No.22264113

>we never met 13 year old Ange who masturbated 8 times a day
It's a travesty that the only hebe character with a hairy loli pussy we've had so far is Gannet. Everyone else has either adult proportions or an actual loli body with no pubic hair.

I guess Satoko would be the closest, but that's because she's an oppai loli. She isn't really a young teenager despite her figure.

>> No.22264119

Based Toujirou.

>> No.22264142

Jesus how big is her ass?

>> No.22264276

the same size shes up there

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Erikantrice manifesto: https://pastebin.com/XVrRMWqS
Last thread an anon discover a new argument about erikantrice:
Thanks anon very cool
Discussion:not discordshit but here
Or in my booru erikce.booru.org

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you guys ever hate it when youre walking around the house and your mom just makes this face?

>> No.22264883

I've yet to hear anyone give a good explanation as to why she does this

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Restoring this thread's dignity.

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This thread is more that than kinzo at the star of every games!!!!
Send erikantrice memes to give life to it.

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So about those traitors
Very high due to the death of Rethabile's brother, could be the traitor Tojiro told "I love you"
Too dumb to be a traitor, not CPP, only suspicious part is the blue body part but that is after humanity ends so it's probably irrelevant
Has a motive for being a culprit, one of her main skills is observing Miyao and Jayden so she would be a perfect traitor, probably isn't CPP unless the serious personality isn't part of her original personality, she wants to be liked by older men so she could be Tojirou's traitor too
is probably the character who got sent an invitation to join the traitor order at the end after her talk of civilization being a tilted tower that needed to be built from scratch, is almost guaranteed to be a CPP unless she is pretending, first had doubts about who Lilja was, then the recruitment e-mail happened, then she killed Lilja
Nothing ever implies she is a traitor, too apathetic to be one, no hints of CPP yet but she can potentially have higher P3 levels than Miyao so maybe she is a CPP after all, has the power of making accurate predictions
Chloe suspected her, she might not be a traitor working for the 3 Kings but she could be a traitor for some other faction/order, might be CPP since she suffered serious personality changes since she became a research target, her skill, talked in third person after Chloe asked her who she was and her Clay Girl thing might imply her brain can make any number of personalities
Only suspicious part is the golden gauntlet, her personality doesn't seem fake and it doesn't fit with what a traitor would sound like so she isn't likely to be a 3 Kings traitor, has a "supernatural power of always making the correct choices", potential CPP due to her high aptitude but has shown 0 hints
Nothing implies he would be loyal to anyone but Linji, could potentially become a traitor after he starts hating Miyao, useless as Gauntlet Knight without the Baibao ace Linji, probably not a CPP
Only suspicious part is her backstory that is similar to Gunhild's, but she doesn't seem to hate society as much as Gunhild, useless without the Baibao ace Linji, probably not a CPP
Not enough info about her to theorize at all
Not enough info, has high P3 levels and hints of maybe being CPP
Not enough info

Has many personalities but the ones seen so far aren't traitors
Possible traitor, friends with Gunhild, recommened as the ABN rep of the public bath order by Gunhild, has that one scene where he talks about Miyao sending him an e-mail that tells everyone that is okay to kill, if Gunhild is a traitor then he is likely to be too
Probably a CPP, not enough info
>Yeladot Shavit
All very shady, but none of them stick out as traitors
Probably not a traitor unless she is a CPP with a personality who hated her brother and this would clear Meow's suspicion, genius P3 levels so she could be a CPP even without showing any hints
Addicted to drugs so he could be blackmailed into being a traitor, nothing suspicious about him otherwise
Unstable P3 levels, has "a body incapable of getting fat", doesn't need anti-sleep drugs to avoid sleep
>Cairo squad
Could end up becoming a traitor working for Tomitake
Has a skill that is basically pretending to be retarded, very dangerous and likely to have a hidden agenda of her own

>> No.22266184

Level C become level S with hardworking
In a country where your future is decided at birth?
She was like maya ,was raped and now want destroy this world. 3 kings give to her powers!!!

>> No.22266266

I wonder how many of these knights might work for the translators too.

>> No.22266315

4 by AOC,COU,ABN,ACR for three kings
Lato is translator nation so valentina
Idk if there are in other nations.
Maybe linji for the golden arm...

>> No.22266330

>Lato is translator nation so valentina
Valentina is actually too dumb to be a traitor, it's probably Maricarmen

>> No.22266383

She hopes Battler will realize his daddy had patrician taste and that she's better than his real mum

>> No.22266414

I really feel like Meow is hiding something, whether as a traitor or something else. Why does Toujirou never mention Meow?

>> No.22266430

Bern is so cute when she's being festive!

>> No.22266440

Because he's a garbage father and doesn't know about her. He's seeing his kid for the first time in a decade.

>> No.22266466


Why is this stuff so creepy?

>> No.22266470

we truly live in a society

>> No.22266488

This is why i don't eat meat. Ok, that was a lie, I eat fish. And sometimes chicken.

>> No.22266492

I was thinking about why Lingji wasn't able to block the punch. Of course it's possible that bad dad somehow upgraded Miyao's gauntlet to break through her shield, or that he hacked her gauntlet to turn it off (though blue Miyao makes it sound like this isn't the case), but maybe another possibility is that her shield was suddenly depleted by something else, like say if she were shot in the back.

>> No.22266497

Maybe the people in the wherehouse are not humans but animals!!!!!!!
Fuck fuck
So ciconia characters are animals that in virtual reality are humans!!!!
Cats ecc.

>> No.22266499

True, but with how on top of things he seems to be it strikes me as odd he wouldn't know his son has another personality since birth.

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Tomitake can hack gauntlets, future Miyao mentions Koshka will die because her shields will fail and Miyao says it makes no sense that two of the best gauntlet knights would let their shields fall so easily

>> No.22266537

Her shields didn't fail.

She didn't have shields in the first place.

>> No.22266556

She did, their shields were bouncing off one another earlier in the fight.

>> No.22266578

Crossed swords. Easy mistake to make.

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I fix umineko
Thanks me later guys

>> No.22266758


I love this one, but whenever the music loops in my copy of the game it makes a half-second static noise that drives me insane because I suffer from misophonia.

Is my copy fucked or does the game make that sound when it loops the sound file or what?

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Just finished Minagoroshi on my Higurashi reread and ran into a little problem.
Does anyone have the patch that ports the original MangaGamer Matsuribayashi to the new engine they used for the rereleases by any chance?

The pomf links on the higurashifix wiki are all dead.

It really sucks, I don't want to have to play the original. You can't change the resolution of it at all, so the fonts are either ridiculously small and borderline unreadable on my monitors or when I force it to fullscreen so ugly they actively hurt to look at

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Should've waited for the new Matsuribayashi release before the reread desu.

>> No.22266800

so 2 years from the looks of it

>> No.22266817

Why is she so hot. That outfit is truly one of Ryukishi's best designs.

>> No.22266850

I want to grope Lingji

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Gunhild values her sister, she isn't the traitor.

Chloe is Canadian, she isn't the traitor.

Koshka values life itself, she isn't the traitor.

Lilja is similar to Koshka. She was on death-row and was given the alternative of going through an experiment. That means that she had a 0% change of survival and took it anyway. This suggests that she doesn't want to die and cannot be the traitor.

Lingji is suspicious for having the golden gauntlet and saying 'well her personality doesn't seem fake' isn't enough of a dismissal.

Monotake is in love with Lingji therefore he cannot be the traitor.

Aysha values being important. She climbed from nothing to be the best, meaning she isn't willing to lose everything to go back to being poor.

Naima is autistic and values her friends.

Stan is definitely a traitor, as I've mentioned in the past threads. He also mentions how guard that sided with crime can never be forgiven, so he is fully aware of what crimes he is committing.

Naomi lacks any emotion but I have to reread to see if she values anything.

The Yuri nuns value love, friendship and their parents. Fatma is the only one that doesn't seem to have any explicit values or love.

Rethabile knew her brother's location and could have revealed his location to ward off any suspicion.

Dunno about the rest.

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>> No.22266894


This prob has been discussed before, but Seshat must be Featherine, right?

>> No.22266896

No. Seshat is an alien similar to Hanyuu.

>> No.22266897

Ikuko is yasu
Seshat is bern

>> No.22266914

Hmm, that says it has the syspatch applied but it still isn't resizeable.
Wasn't there a patch to make the game look fine in fullscreen?

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So the factions:

"Them": Ancient aliens? No one wants them to come, they'd harvest humans and turn them into human brains. No other information are given.
Seshat: Wants to "save humanity" in her own way, willing to pay an heavy price. Seem to be immortal and heavy involved in human history. May be involved in few religions.
3 Kings: Keep resetting things to "them" don't come. Despite being Gazel Minister/Selee look-alike, they appear to be mortal and just another set of 3 Kings.
Jestress: Wants something, has her own agenda? May be related to Lambda and Vier.
Vier: ??? Doing her own thing. Opposes the 3 Kings?
Miyao's mother: Wants her own thing. May be be connected to Vier and Jestress or another Takano-look alike?

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Been shitposting my theory about it since Umineko and long before Ciconia because of Seshat and Featherine/Hanyuu. Something might have to do with Ma'at as well not sure.

How is Bern Seshat dont tell me its because of the leopards.

>> No.22267004

Doesn't Toujirou heavily imply that his wife is in fact Vier? He says she disappeared from the world to focus on her hobbies.

>> No.22267009

>wanting to grope a commie
That chink should be executed or enslaved.

>> No.22267032

Nah. It doesn't work. What the fuck are you doing.

There have been some 6+ theories since Ciconia's release which have been absolutely retarded. Jestress is Mother; Koshka is Bern; Seshat is Featherine.

For fuck sake. Read the damn VN. Use your brain. You aren't as stupid as you appear. You can do better. Read the words. Read the sentences. Process them. It's not that hard.

Sometimes it's like I'm talking to literal morons. Don't be a moron. Activate your brain. Use the on-switch. It's there, somewhere. You can do it. I believe in you. Jestress is not Mother, if you think about it, correctly, by using your IQ points. Seshat is not Featherin, you absolute retard. Miayo is not Yasu. I don't care that they used the same two words and one could almost look like Kanon but different but the same.

There are good points to be made. There are also utterly retarded points to be made. Many people are crawling in their own intellectual excrements.

>> No.22267042

I'm really ont feeling the "X is Featherine" theory. Featherine seem like a character specifically related to Umineko given her link to Ikuko. Yes, I know she's also related to Hanyuu, but it seems like a passing mention more than anything.

Bernkastel and Lambda are voyagers so I expect them to pop in some ways, though R07 is going to subvert people's expectations for sure.

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Had an idea for a concept of a statue with Rika and Hanyu, so felt like sketching it.
It's nothing official for now, but there is a possibility I'll get the rights to do some in the future.

>> No.22267098

>Chloe is Canadian, she isn't the traitor.
t. definitely a fucking leaf
Chloe would best enjoy an energy bar as the last man on earth before blowing her brains after taking others down with her. nationalism is like shingles and its blinding you.

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>She was seen as a scribe and record keeper
It's not as retarded as the Yasu = Ikuko theory.
Seshat is the goddess of knowledge and writing . Featherine/Ikuko is basically Borges as an anime girl. She's the keeper of The Library of Babel. There's to be a relation somehow.

>> No.22267186

I mean this all assumes they're each being completely honest and not just putting on an act, you know like a spy might do.

>> No.22267193

Seshat is no goddess, she's a pathetic human pretending to be one.

>> No.22267195

read Ciconia and draw Chloe's fat tits already

>> No.22267199

I resumed it, just got past the scene with the 3 kings and notLambda. Chloe gets bullied hard holy hell.

>> No.22267200

WHF with Ciconia? From Ryukishi I want another "realistic" detective or mystery. Not some retarded /pol/ fantasy setting.

>> No.22267210

Wut. Yasu = Ikuko theory is a theory that makes mostly sense, and tie several loose end in a satisfying manner. The Seshat = Featherine is literally retarded and make no sense, built on nothing but... nothing, really, just that the mythological description of Seshat is kind of like not entirely incompatible with Featherine.

For fuck sake. Don't tell me you're on those people that absolutely fight against Yasu = Ikuko because it rustle your jimmies.

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yasu is ikuko
why ikuko know everything?
why ikuko help battler?
because when yasu try to kill herself battler save her but he lost his momories.
so all umineko is just the magic version of ikuko create mistery novels about rokkenjima for made battler solve them in the hope to get his memory back.

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Best worst moms

>> No.22267233

>Wut. Yasu = Ikuko theory is a theory that makes mostly sense
It really doesn't. Even if you ignore the bazillion of issues Yasu had and their characterizations it's basically impossible for obvious reasons for a physical point of view.

>> No.22267241

t. drugged-up dyslexic

>> No.22267271

The last time I've played one of these games was when Umineko Ep6 came out and I really don't remember much anymore. Randomly picked up some stuff over the years though like Shkannon being the killer.
Do you think it's worth replaying all the episodes or is it just too long for that? Should I just jump in and pick up at Ep7 even though I barely remember anything? Or should I just not bother at all?
I remember having a ton of fun with the games back then, I feel like I missed out a ton by not keeping up with it as they come out...

>> No.22267285

use the mangas to refresh your memory?

>> No.22267295

You done fucked it up, anon. Start over. There's no point reading episode 7 without the buildup from the previous episodes.

>> No.22267299

What issues?

Here the loose ends that are answered by Yasu = Ikuko:

>How did Ikuko know about the truth of Rokkenjima?
>Why did Ikuko create a witch avatar?
>Why did Ikuko care about battler?
>How did Ikuko know about Yasu?
>Why would Ikuko try to make Battler remember his sin against Yasu?

If you can't answer those questions, you are wrong. And the bazillion issues don't exist. I have never seen a cogent, rational person seeing any incompatibility between the witc creating personality dissociating Battler lover rich Yasu and the witch creating personality dissociating Battler lover rich Ikuko.

It is a theory that has attracted some mild hatedom from some low intelligent people. Well, that it is what it is. You should try to think beyond that level, really.

>> No.22267301

Reread, especially if you know the tricks behind the mysteries, to see how unsubtle R07 was with stuff that was controversial
Also Ep7 has a chapter where you get a solutiondump so you may want to remember stuff

>> No.22267307

shaknontrice is shit
manga change add and remove many parts of the story with the obvious intent to make it work

WHY ERIKA DIDNT SAW kanon body in the closet?
because she was kanon!!
this is the only solution tu umineko

>> No.22267316

There's no point in starting at 7 if you don't remember the rest well.
Also they honestly aren't THAT long. Every Episode is like 7-12h on average, depending on reading speed. You can knock that out fairly quickly, even faster if you just skim through the sections with nothing happening

>> No.22267322

so why ikuko know everything and help battler?
yasu=ikuko destroy every magic of umineko and solve every mistery

>> No.22267326

Or, you know, because Kanon was back in the guest house.

>> No.22267334

no red true about the position of kanon in the 5th and 6th games!!!
stop reading the manga!!!!

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Yasu = alien
>even faster if you just skim through the sections with nothing happening
Anon, that's not how novels work

>> No.22267358

There's a ton of parts in Umineko that really are just pure padding. I'm not saying to just hold down Shift until you see the next barrage of colored text and effects or anything like that, but there's not much reason to pour over every detail and think while reading the almost identical slice of life shit for the 34th time

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Some of these questions are literally answered in the manga, the others in the novel itself. Some are you fundamentally not understanding several parts of the novel.

It's a garbage Rosa-trice tier theory that requires you to take any piece of characterization you like and discharge the rest, and straight up argue every scene you don't like is "R07 lying to the readers" (Even in the manga to clear up shit!). The same R07 that apparently felt like laying Yasu's issues completely bare, forgot to mention the whole central character of Umineko is also this other chick, for some reason, and he has been lying to the readers for 10 years now.
We don't need to prove anything,because no matter how much you screech and scream, just like Rosatrice it will never, ever, ever be relevant or acknowledged or mentioned or exist in the story and it will always just be a shitty, non canon theory worth laughing at people who fundamentally don't understand Beatrice character.

>> No.22267368


Kanon was still at the guest house though.

>> No.22267381

manga is fake!!!
so R07 insert a character that know everything for what?

berncastel=her cat
battler=battler blanco without memories
lambda=a clock

all umineko games were in ikuko's house
image ikuko reading her novels to battler,he didnt understant nothing meanwhile the cat watch them.

>> No.22267384

How often did you people read Umineko to even remember where X was at Y in game Z?
I just played through Higu->Umi->Cico over the course of the last month and already don't remember half the things you people are talking about half the time

>> No.22267388

No, the games were on Rokkenjima. Come on, anon. Did you even read it?

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The one who rescued Battler was, without a doubt, Kanon.
Battler and Kanon are different people.
The one who rescued Battler was, without a doubt, Kanon.
Battler and Kanon are different people.

this are red true
kanon entered in the room and never exit!!
his body disappier how?
simple he is erika!!!!

>> No.22267396

150+ IQ and too much free time. I have a good memory.

>> No.22267397

"""loose ends"""
>How did Ikuko know about the truth of Rokkenjima?
She figured it out along with Tohya
>Why did Ikuko care about battler?
Because she's not quite a trash human being and wants to help him
>How did Ikuko know about Yasu?
See question number one
>Why would Ikuko try to make Battler remember his sin against Yasu?
See question number two, especially after working together for a while

>> No.22267399

I fully understand Beatrice character, thank you very much. I understand what kind of personality dissociating obsessed character she is. She literally created Shannon and Kanon in order to cope with difficult moments in her life.

You are saying that she couldn't have created Ikuko's character because... Beatrice doesn't like to create alternate characters. Also she wouldn't create alternate characters in order to protect Battler, that's stupid, Beatrice wouldn't do that. She certainly wouldn't lie to an amnesiac Battler and take care of him for as much as she could. She wouldn't try to make him remember his sin and create complicated murder mystery while toying with him. That's entirely out of character for Yasu/Beatrice.

You still haven't answered the question, by the way. You dodge them quite artistically, but you didn't answer them.

>How did Ikuko know about the truth of Rokkenjima?
>Why did Ikuko create a witch avatar?
>Why did Ikuko care about battler?
>How did Ikuko know about Yasu?
>Why would Ikuko try to make Battler remember his sin against Yasu?

>> No.22267405

Yeah no. Kanon never entered the room. He didn't need to enter the room to save Battler.

>> No.22267407

rokkenjima was nuked from the inside!!!
magic didnt exist so how can they do a game if the entire island didnt exist?
because umineko is just the magic version of a sad story about a woman that try with all her force to made her love remeber her!!

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Chloe just wants to fly. Canadians are simple people.

>> No.22267415

Alright, show us the novel/manga/R07 interview page in which R07 reveals Yasu is Ikuko.
>You still haven't answered the question, by the way. You dodge them quite artistically, but you didn't answer them.
Please. I've argue with Rosatrice fanatics since 2010, I know it's pointless to argue with you in a serious matter when you can just claim "R07 is lying" or "This scene is lie."

>> No.22267416

you deny red true
so is useless discuss with a fanatic goat 1bit.
i hope you one day will read umineko

>> No.22267421

There's no red truth saying Kanon entered the room, though.

>> No.22267426

Why would Umineko even happen if Yasu could just have fucked off to a mansion and live happily ever after?

>> No.22267427

>She figured it out along with Tohya
Nah. Ep 3/4 are written by Ikuko, to make Battler understand. The narrative is written by Ikuko, in order to make Battler understand. in Ep 3/4, Battler/Tohya understands nothing, and Ikuko/Beatrice is the one leading him.

>See question number one
Retard answer by retard being.

>>Why would Ikuko try to make Battler remember his sin against Yasu?
>See question number two, especially after working together for a while
Yeah, sure, a wealthy heiress from nowhere with all the answer of Rokkenjima just appeared with a bizarre but perfectly possibly obsession with Tohya/Battler and dedicated decades of her life to him. That's perfectly reasonable.

>> No.22267429

Yasu wouldn't just start her life over after causing the death of everyone and brain damaging Battler. If she wasn't totally suicidal before, this shit would make it impossible for her to go on with her life.

There's no fucking way someone like her would just pretend to be Ikuko, set up a fake life and take care of Battler after all the shit that happened.

>> No.22267431

yasu the reader
kanon the body
erika the detective
claire the narrator
ikuko the reader
lion=the what if good ending

yasu loved mistery novels so create this characters in her mind
but after she notice that her female body was broken she create a ale personality for explaine this.(incest make women infertile)

>> No.22267437

At the time Battler was rescued, only Kanon entered the guest room.

a personality cant enter in a room only a body can!!!!!
so kanon enter!!!!

>> No.22267445

>Ep 3/4 are written by Ikuko, to make Battler understand. The narrative is written by Ikuko, in order to make Battler understand. in Ep 3/4, Battler/Tohya understands nothing, and Ikuko/Beatrice is the one leading him.
She literally says that she likes writing the end first and going backwards. She says that Erika is her character. EP5 and EP6 are the only ones written by her because both feature Erika as the detective and the first scene is a flashforward. The others were from Battler.

>> No.22267448

sorry miss
beatrice the culprit
and ikuko was the writer

>> No.22267459

Stop arguing seriously with the ESL faggot, he's a troll.

Ignore anyone who refuses to use proper English or capitalize their sentences. Just ignore them, they are trolling and already know what you are attempting to make them understand. Don't even bother, it just shits up the threads.

>> No.22267465

R07 isn't lying, you doublepus moron. R07 said everything he had to say about Umineko. It's just that you didn't quite catch that the ultimate narrator, Witch with all the knowledge, that has harboured Battler for decades, lied to him, created a witch persona, and helped him remember, is...

actually the Umineko narrator, Witch with all the gameboard knowledge, that has loved Battler for all her life, lied to him, created a witch persona, and really want him to remember.

That's not my problem. That's yours. You didn't connect the dot. Don't be like that.

>> No.22267473

>R07 isn't lying, you doublepus moron
Given the whole theories relies on the fact that "these several manga pages are lie", yeah, he is.
But anyway, show us this proof. Shouldn't be hard.

>> No.22267474

i am not a troll read my manifesto

i dont know english
but you hate me because i have ritgh!!!
you cant deny my theory so start to attack for the language

argument argument and argument
deny my dumb theory and i will left
it's simple?
pro tip you cant

>> No.22267476

>I just played through Higu->Umi->Cico over the course of the last month
It's normal to not remember shit if you do that
Bad anon bad

>> No.22267479

Sure, but unfortunately, the game ended while Erika was in the room, and Kanon does not exist in the room, so Kanon can't be Erika. Sorry, anon.

Nah, this is fun.

>> No.22267483

Just how obscene and pathetic does Naima look when she's completely naked and her loli arse is exposed for everyone to see?

>> No.22267485
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>I fully understand Beatrice character,
You don't even understand Beatrice is supposed to be a tragic character lol.

>> No.22267487

now this is october content

>> No.22267489

>the game ended while Erika was in the room

you are deny the red true
so is useless speak with you
a red true is true without question!!!
so why erika disappier?
so why erika lost?
is all fake
yes everything i cant explaine is fake and meta

literrally a religious fanatics cmon

>> No.22267496

But the red says the game ended while Erika was in the room on the very page you linked, anon.

>> No.22267498

The sight of the naked body of a loli is so corrupting and tempting, it should never be bared, even in solitude. For though the eyes of men may look away, the eyes of the Lord are always watching.

>> No.22267499

didnt count what count is the vn
pls read the vn cmon

>> No.22267506

>a red true is true without question!!!
But that's a witchs' rule, anon. Witches aren't real.

>> No.22267513
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>> No.22267514

yes but all is a game.
the red true are true provide by the author of the story ikuko.
so are true and there arent magic!!!

>> No.22267522
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Heh. Rethabile is an incompetent, talentless princess. That's interesting. Also interesting that the royal family spent 1.7 billion credits to her training, probably because she's incompetent.

>> No.22267542
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>> No.22267551

>Not blond
>Not cute and funny

>> No.22267561

Name a single nig with talent.

>> No.22267566

>not blonde
they would've just given her a shitty wig because the budget was 100 yen
>not cute
>not funny
just like the original

>> No.22267579

The game ended while I was inside the guest room, so I did not undo the chain lock that I had previously set. So, it can't be that he escaped behind my back after I left the room. Furthermore, the chain lock was set at the same time I entered the room. No one could have left the room during the few seconds between the time I entered and the time I set the chain lock

ps3 fag!!!!
read all
the game end when she was in the room
but after battler escape and she check all the room!!!!!

>> No.22267602

She's cute. Anime hair colors would be cringe IRL and not achieve their intended effect. This is why "red haired" anime characters are not intended to be an equivalent to real life gingers and I hate it when tumblrtards miss the point and draw someone like Kairi from KH with fucking freckles. Be it blonde, red, blue or green, it's all different varieties of crazy anime hair color. None of them are meant to represent real life hair colors or races.

But yeah, it's hard to capture the personality of a cheeky loli without actually using a loli actress. Why do Japs always refuse to have children play child characters anyway? Are they really such bad actors?

>> No.22267607
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Calm down, anon. You need to speak a little more coherently.

Explain why this means Kanon can still be Erika even though Kanon does not exist in the room.

>> No.22267608

Sexy as fuck voice though desu wa

>> No.22267614

>Royal family is ciconia born and can have birth defects or lack of talent
>the masses are bred intentionally incompetent in factories to prevent them from surpassing the royals in competence or beauty
Africa is still a shithole.

>> No.22267617

Where do you even download it?

>> No.22267623

erika kanon,beatrice ecc..
are just personality of yasu.
yasu can kill a personality in every moment
this explaine why erika didnt saw no body in the room,,
because kanon was into herself!!!!!

sorry if i didnt speak well :(

>> No.22267629

>ywn spank her pathetic Jap ass while drawing a racist WW2 caricature of her
Why live?

>> No.22267631
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Andy and Ishak. It's funny because both of them are characterized as pure geniuses. Andy is a late bloomer ace that became number 1 without even trying in a ridiculous short amount of time. And Ishak is the genius that beat all other geniuses. I'm tempted to say that Rethabile is the spy due to her incompetence and lack of talent. Especially when the narration emphasizes that talent is the only thing that matters for a Gauntlet Knight.

>> No.22267643

I mean, she's doing the illuminati hand sign all the time.

But she seemed genuine. I don't suspect her at all.

>> No.22267644

But anon, anon.

>Three people--in other words, three bodies--went in or out.

>> No.22267664

Making all four leaders of the Order traitors would be hilarious
That said it's not unheard of to have members of a royal family on a vanity post in a military, the only problem was that the power of the gauntlet was vastly underestimated and she actually became important - enough that she could force herself to the throne and it would be hard could stop her

>> No.22267667
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She even dates hot men merely to show off that she's debating hot men. That's lacking love.

>> No.22267684

here i want you!!
why there was blood in the bathtube?

kanon take kyrie's head ,made it pass into the room and made it exit by the bathtube!!!

3 bodies enter:
battler's body=battler personality
yasu'body=erika and shannon personality
kyrie's body= nothing(was death)

this explaine the blood in the bathtube,why erika cut head at the people.and why berncastel confirm that a body can exit from the room by the bathtube!!!!!

>> No.22267692

he actually shits on her a lot when you point it out lmao

>> No.22267693

sorry not shannon kanon confused
kanon isnt shannon

>> No.22267699

She only dates rich white men so she can roleplay as a 18th century underage black slave in bed.

Royals tend to have a humiliation fetish because they are never spoken to rudely. She finds it exciting.

>> No.22267705

nyaa was where I got it

>> No.22267715

Thanks. But there are like three different nyaas and I always get confused. It shouldn't be too hard to find, though.

>> No.22267726

Wouldn't she have to kill like 20 other people and get away with everything in order to get the throne? That's psycho stuff.

>> No.22267730

Not really, it's a different guy both time that shits on Rethabile. Although it's the same guy that tells the other guys to stop shitting on her.
I would say that Andy and Ishak can't be the spy because they're genius level. And Abdou was a random guy that was spotted by Ishak for having talent despite his bad luck. All three have talent therefore they can't be the spy.

I think I've figured out three quarters of the spies. I just need to crack Noor, Sujatha and Rukhshana. One of them is the spy but I can't figure out what they value or love.

>> No.22267732

>kanon take kyrie's head ,made it pass into the room and made it exit by the bathtube!!!
For what purpose.

>> No.22267735

title is [Sense-Raws] Higurashi no naku koro ni (TV Drama) - 02 (BS241 1280x720 x264 AAC)

>> No.22267746

for add his "body"
making erika believe that he was a real person:

>> No.22267749

Sorry anon, no.

>From the time you entered the room to the time of the logic error, you, Battler, and Kanon were the only ones who went in or out of the guest room.

There is nothing about Kyrie here, and the statement about three bodies follows from this. Silly wordplay isn't permitted.

>> No.22267751

Well she could stroll in and be like 'hey everyone above me in the line of succession, I have an gauntlet and you don't, so kindly let me pass you so you don't have to face any coups' and 'sup daddy, care to give me the crown since I have a gauntlet and two bodyguards with them? kthx'

No, Ishak explicitly tells them that what they say applies to her, despite her not being the subject of the conversation

>> No.22267760

As soon as she runs out of weapons the gauntlet isn't that powerful.

>> No.22267762

>No, Ishak explicitly tells them that what they say applies to her, despite her not being the subject of the conversation
You're misunderstanding. >>22267692 he is saying that the person insulting indirectly the princess is the same guy. In >>22267522 Andy is insulting her while in >>22267667 Abdou is the one insulting her. You are correct that in both case Ishak is the one telling both to stop it.

>> No.22267765

>21st in line to the throne
Jesus, how many siblings does she have? Are they all just factory babies?

>> No.22267768

refer to personality not to body!!!!

now i explaine all

Of course. Three people--in other words, three bodies--went in or out(battler,yasu and kyrie body). Only you and Kanon entered, and only Battler left(refer to personality) . It has already been said in red that all people can only use their own names. Therefore, the names Erika, Battler, and Kanon can only be used by those people.(yasu body can use erika an kanon,battler body can use battler and kyrie body nothing because kyrie was death)

>> No.22267781

She could also be knocked down the list below more distant relatives due to succession laws favoring males

>> No.22267783

I bet she loves those doujins about a country being invaded and the princess paraded naked and sold into slavery to further humiliate the defeated nation.

>> No.22267785

But she has enough to, um, 'be a witness to a tragic mishap in which The Royal Highness and over twenty members of the Royal Family perished, Queen Rethabile attempted to save them using her gauntlet's shield but was unable to and barely survived herself'

>> No.22267789

No, anon. This would violate Knox's 8th. Please argue properly.

>> No.22267794
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Something that is interesting is that Koshka mentions that Lilja spends all her money to the point of barely having any. This is odd because, a few scenes prior, Gun mentions that most Gauntlet Knight have so much money they don't know what to do, with Miyao and Jayden giving huge tips for their food because they don't value money.

>> No.22267798

It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented.
what clue?

what clue are not presented!!!!!

you can use a name for refer to a body or to a personality
beatrice use this trick many times!!!

>> No.22267804

Do these two get cash though? They're not technically personnel, I guess they're giving them some allowance but why would they pay a literal Class D and a Russian hick

>> No.22267805

The clue not presented is the taking of Kyrie's head and using it to create your supposed illusion. Come on, anon. At least understand your own claims.

>> No.22267806

>that most
I don't think you get much of an allowance as military property that was spared death row

>> No.22267807

Why does Asuka have such a punchable face?

>> No.22267814

Everyone gets cash in the AOU, so that includes them.

Maybe but the point is that Lilja is spending whatever money she has on something to make life worth living. That means she isn't the spy.

>> No.22267816

she completely severed the heads of all those she killed.

all of this are red true!!!!
so this clue are presented!!!

>> No.22267822

Death row shouldn't apply to cute females in the first place. If you are going to kill them anyway, why not take away their human rights, make them into sex slaves and donate them to some ultra virgin or future school shooter? Her life wouldn't be wasted and it would prevent some incel from going insane and killing people.

Women shouldn't be on death row unless they are ugly.

>> No.22267824

No, anon. That refers to the death. Not to the head being taken. That is never mentioned.

>> No.22267832

she killed kyrie ecc by severed the heads
so kyrie head is separeted by the rest of the body!!!!
understand, and kanon can take the entire body in the room and made it exit with the bathtube because berncastle confirm it!!!
i choice only the head for this red true!!! understand!!!

>> No.22267841

How did you manage to read the entirety of Umineko when you can barely string two sentences together? And you still think you understand the story better than everyone else, when you probably don't comprehend half of what you read in English.

Dunning Krugger effect at full force here.

>> No.22267844

That is completely irrelevant, anon. It still violates Knox's 8th because there is never any indication that Kanon collected any part of Kyrie's body before going into the guest room, therefore the clue is not presented.

>> No.22267850

i read it in italian
but i go to uni and i read many english book
i can read english but not read it
even battler can give kyrie's head to kanon he is outsiede!!!

>> No.22267852

If Beatrice's message bottles are written from the perspective of Maria's diary, how are we reading scenes from Battler's POV and where Maria isn't present? Are we seeing Tohya imagining what he would've done as Battler as he reads the story?

>> No.22267857

Just how old is Rethabile anyway? Like 17? She's quite short.

>> No.22267859

Of course Battler can do that, but unless there is some hint about it in the narrative, it violates Knox's 8th.

Are we done, anon? It looks like you've reached the small bombs threshold.

>> No.22267874

the narrative made us know that kyrie head exist.
the narrative made us know that battler can give kyrie head to kanon.
where is the problem this is a clue!!!!

where is the narrative that made us know that EVERYONE IS THE CULPRIT!!!!

>> No.22267886

But I mean from the real world perspective, not the meta one, why would he do that?

>> No.22267888
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Thanks for arguing with me anon, it was fun!

>> No.22267892

IIRC the message bottles weren't a part of Maria's diary, Yasu wrote it and then added the note at the end saying that Maria was the one who wrote it

>> No.22267893

Piece Battler on the game board has no reason to carry Kyrie's head around. They're just pulling a prank on Erika. They don't know she's trying to kill everyone, and they don't know about the meta battles and red/blue truth.

>> No.22267911
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So far, I got half of the 24 members.

>> No.22267916
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nothing even for me
i love argument about my favorite book
kanon free battler
so kanon ask him to bring kyrie head for the plan!!!
remeber that battler is the game master!!!!

>> No.22267924

What reason does piece Kanon have to ask piece Battler to bring Kyrie's head into the closet?

>> No.22267929

erika's personality had gone mad and killed 5 people!!!
so the only way to stop her was to form a impossible crime even for her

>> No.22267930

I think what he's saying is that to make it seem like it really was written by Maria you would need to take out the scenes where Maria isn't around.

>> No.22267938

Piece Erika isn't aware of the metaverse or red truth.

>> No.22267939

We don't know if the bottles match the episodes 1:1

>> No.22267944

>Gunhild values her sister, she isn't the traitor.
wut? It's pretty much stated outright, in the postgame fragments - she says she wants the world to end, and has a very strong motivation for it.
Of course that would assume that the clip where she finds out about Maya happened a long time ago. Most of the fragments seem to be in chronological order, so that one would have to be an exception.

>> No.22267946

erika piece killed 5 people!!!(where is the knox 8 that explaine why she kills 5 people)
so his another personality "kanon" try
to stop her.

I am the visitor, the 18th human on Rokkenjima!!
red true
erika belive that she was an human
so she isnt aware of be just a personality!!!!

>> No.22267952

Her finding out about Maya couldn't have happened that long ago since Maya was alive at the party.

Giving it some thought, it could just be written like this: "I'm Maria. This is my diary. Here's what Beatrice told me happened."

>> No.22267953
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My theory that Seshat is like Hanyuu is present here. She only has a limited amount of power she can use to interact with the real world. She's stuck in VR.

Red Herring. The four traitors were selected prior to Maya's supposed death. A resentment of the people in charge does not make her nihilistic.

>> No.22267969

My bad, I forgot that piece Erika is aware of the metaverse and game. But the problem is that piece Battler and piece Kanon aren't. They don't know that Erika is a killer and they don't know about the metaverse or game. Thus, they have no reason to carry Kyrie's head around.

This whole theory also doesn't make any sense because you have to ignore the explicit truth that Erika is Bernkastel's piece and has nothing to do with Beatrice or her game. You can throw in the piece, but you can't change how other pieces work.

>> No.22267970

Was there indication that the party happened recently?

>> No.22267974

>my cousin that I didnt like died whoops I guess I have to destroy the world now

>> No.22267982

Fragment 15 implies that it happened before the Chrismas party. I think it implies that Gun faked her death to seek revenge.

>> No.22268003

kanon share mind with erika in my theory
are 2 differentpersonality of the same body.
so if erika know a thing => kanon know the same thing understand!!!

>Erika is Bernkastel's
erika in the 5th game say :natsuhi is the culprit
but int the hidden tea partyof 4th game bercastel say:
The thing that shot Natsuhi wasn't a trap, it was a real shooting murder with a gun raised and trigger pulled!
berncastel say that natsuhi isnt the culprit but instead she belive erika when erika said that!!!
literrally here erika deceive berncastle!!!

remeber that erika know the solution of the epigraph
bern no!!!!
why if erika is just a piece?

and when erika open the bathroom the water made bern and erika lose the control of the body in this moment erika beome kanon!!!

both bern and erika didn't know what had happened during the loss of sensations caused by water

>> No.22268013

> Erika is aware
kanon wa literrally sent by beatrice to save battler
so why he isnt aware?

>> No.22268014

I'm not understanding what you're trying to say about Bernkastel and Erika. There's no contradiction there. They're talking about two different situations.

I'm also not getting how you know that Bernkastel doesn't know the epitaph's solution. Are you implying that Bernakstel and Erika are the same person? Do you have any evidence of this?

>> No.22268016

this shit is fucking voodoo i love it

>> No.22268021

erika is just a piece create by lambda for berncastle.
how can lambda create a piece if there are only 17 people?
simple add a personality to yasu(kanon);

the epigraph respond to the answare bercastel didnt know everything about erika!!! so if erika know the solution of the epigraph and bern no this mean that berncastle dont know about the real form of erika!!!

>> No.22268022

>so why he isnt aware?

>> No.22268026

what you mean with voodo?

>> No.22268033

about the meta world!!!!
we see beatrice that resurrect kanon and send him to save battler!!!
so he is aware of meta world

>> No.22268038
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>he didnt read Le sanglot des cigales
what's your excuse ?

>> No.22268046
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Being Chloe is suffering

>> No.22268049

>how can lambda create a piece if there are only 17 people?
Because Shannon and Kanon are the same person and Kinzo is dead. 16 people + Erika is 17 people.

If so, then whose peace is Erika, and why?

But there's no evidence that piece Kanon actually knows about the meta. If he knows anything, it's that Battler is in danger from Erika killing him. That's no reason for him to carry Kyrie's head.

>> No.22268054

I don't know French

>> No.22268058

incomprehensible haitian magic or something i dunno

>> No.22268063

because erika didnt see nothing in the closet!!!!
the detective cant see lie
erika is aware of meta because she kill people
kanon is aware of meta because he save battler
logical consequence

>> No.22268064

you progressively learn french by reading it

>> No.22268065

Being best girl is never easy. Ask Rika.

>> No.22268069

nah my theory isnt incomprehensible
just argue about 8 knox is useless
is a a devil proof!!!

>> No.22268084

im stupid so i can't understand your magic shaman-san im sorry

>> No.22268088

Je l'ai déjà lu an anglais.

>> No.22268090
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sorry for this
if you want know something ple tell to me
or read my manifesto

in the pic a brief explaination

>> No.22268091
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Saving a life is saving the world. But if you flip the chessboard around, sacrificing a life is to sacrifice the entire world.

>> No.22268099

Saving a life saves the world = Pandora
Sacrificing a life saves the world = Miyao?

>> No.22268103
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Stan is without a doubt the spy. He merely follows orders, even if he knows they are wrong.

>> No.22268104

if you flip it again its killing one person is like killing the whle world = " For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind," from the Quran

>> No.22268107

Each one of Lingji's beautiful pubes is worth more than the life of 100 ARC nigs combined.

>> No.22268108

I don't make a distinction between sacrificing someone and killing.

>> No.22268127
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>man of the world
>values his own life
That seems contradictory. I don't know if that clears him or if he's bullshitting.

>> No.22268132
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The emphasis on Stan always following orders is hilarious.

>> No.22268173
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any day now

>> No.22268192

He's saying he isn't a martyr.

>> No.22268199

rare spiritium does

>> No.22268219

It explicitly refers to bodies, not personalities. That's the whole point of Erika's wordplay tangent. Kyrie is not permitted to enter the room, even as a head.

>> No.22268220

Damn. I want to re-read Umineko but it has only been two years since I last went through it fully.

What do? Would reading Higanbana be a good alternative?

>> No.22268236

to personality!!!
beatrice use this trick many times.
before she say bodies. and after she say personality for made erika confuse.

beatrice's goal was to make believe that kanon had a body so when erika didn't saw it she had to give up.

(erika had choice 2. to admit that she was kanon and win the game but at the same time deny her existence or believe in magic so that she can be real)

>> No.22268241

re-read now that you know erikantrice you will see a different game!!!

>> No.22268392

I'll say it in red:

Erika is not Kanon
Eriakntrice is not canon!

>> No.22268404
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yes kanon is not erika
they are 2 different personality!!!!
so erikantrice is canon!!!

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How is your figure collection?

>> No.22268472

What country are you from?

>> No.22268480

I don't own any, I'm not a material kind of person

>> No.22268486

I don't think Koshka would call her a money-wasting champion if they had none to begin with

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only an italian can solve umineko!!!

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>> No.22268508

Funnily enough I was also the same until this year, I bought all of those figures in 2019.

>> No.22268568

chloe getting off to okonogi's abuse

>> No.22268588

He’s Italian.
And so am I.
Rest assured, he’s not just incapable of speaking English. He sounds just as retarded when speaking in his own language. He comes off as not very bright , and outright deranged at times.

In case you’re wondering how someone could be so fucking stupid, he read Umineko in Italian, from a godawful translation that just badly adapted the English translation and probably mistranslated a bunch of passages that are relevant to the plot as a result of that.
The Erikannontrice anon never read Umineko.
He only read some Italian bastardization because he’s too fucking stupid to understand either English or Japanese.

>> No.22268609

discord spotted!!!!
the translation can change the atmosphere not the content.
italian translation was made with witch hunt support so i read the same of an english!!!!!

and again stop insult 1BIT without argument!!!!

>> No.22268626

Have you gone mad!?

>> No.22268635

she clearly does, they're going to be the star couple in the next phase

>> No.22268644

You are pathetic.
Fuck off from 4chan and come back when you can express yourself in coherent English and without vomiting off-site 9gag templates on /jp/.
You are the worst thing on this board right now, and I can’t even insult you properly because you wouldn’t even be able to understand more complicated posts.

Fuck off.
You are a shame for this country, I am sickened by the fact that people will associate Italian posters with a subhuman like yourself.
Get aids and die.

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>> No.22268663

rude anon!!!!
why u so mad?
just argue and deny my thoery
>even be able to understand more complicated posts.
i made a fucking manifesto!!!
>shame for this country
160 of iq,i go to uni i am a resource for my country.

>> No.22268689

Starting working as a 3d sculptor of statues got me in the mood.

>> No.22268770

Okay, Luigi.
Explain "Our confession" then. It's written by Ryukishi.

>> No.22268772

When are you going to make your own?

>> No.22268775

umineko wasn't written by ryushiki, it was written by BT

>> No.22268796

That's pretty impressive considering he died before half of it was released

>> No.22268810

you can write something before it releases smooth brain

>> No.22268842

As opposed to writing something AFTER it releases?

Who's the smart one again?

>> No.22268859

Three of my statues are being on preorders this year (two coming soon) and a lot more planned. Talked about getting the Higurashi rights to the CEO of the company I work with, he's interested in doing Higurashi, even if it's obviously not a priority right now, we have a bunch of other series we're doing to focus on. Ideally I'd want to do some for both Higurashi and Umineko. The latters is likely gonna be harder (it's mostly a matter of "will it sell?",) but eh, we're doing series which are definitely less well known (SunKen Rock and Zetman), so Umineko could happen.

Wonder if Ciconia will manage to get popular, Higanbana and RGD have been hardly comparable to Higu and Umi in popularity, but Ciconia is also the next WTC.

>> No.22268936

Ciconia got next to zero marketing in the west. It doesn't seem that anybody outside of WTC VN fanbase is giving a fuck about it

>> No.22268991

what the FUCK are those sleeves

>> No.22268993

Higurashi also started from nothing so I would be giving it some times before concluding it’s a fail popularity wise.

>> No.22269068

Different anon here but that's just retarded vanity talk, it doesn't disprove what the other anon said and simply just sounds condescending.

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>> No.22269164

why is ishak addicted to drugs?
and you think the reqruitment mail was sent out to people other than miyao? that's interesting.

>> No.22269191

Not him, but I doubt Miyao was the one who got the message. Three Kings seem to view him as somebody who's messing with their plans. Chloe or Koshka are much better candidates, since both are clearly dissatisfied with what's going on around them and don't mind fucking the shit up, unlike Miyao

>> No.22269204

I didn't think much of fragment 16 at first but after reading Revelation again I'm pretty excited.
That kind of imagery just can't be beat no matter what the age. The four horsemen, angels fighting the dragon, locusts that wear armor to battle, stars and mountains falling onto earth, the lamb, the trumpets, the broken seals. Men will seek death yet death will flee from them (8MS life support?).
If he follows through it'll be metal.

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I didn't realize it at first, but back during the festival at the beginning, in the mystery mail to Jestress the sender wasn't someone who's already a spy for the Kings. So there's at least one spy for Jestress to identify too. Presumably it's them who received the invite at the end.

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Something like this? I don't remember anything said about Osaka so it might be too big.

>> No.22269235

I forget if the exact size was mentioned but yeah something like that

>> No.22269238

I wonder if anywhere else got solar nuked
Or was Japan the test subject in both wars

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New one.

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>yes kanon is not erika
>they are 2 different personality
I think you're on to something anon.

>> No.22269805

Why is Gunhild so far up her own ass?

>> No.22269908

Where did lingji's golden shield come from?

>> No.22270038

China stealing tech from dumbass beaners.

>> No.22270083

I can't find a place to download the answer arcs.

>> No.22270173

I wish R07 would go back to writing fun slice of life ala Higurashi instead of trying to weave these grand conspiracies he's really not good at at. Umineko was a mistake, it getting so popular ruined him

>> No.22270330

Based anon
Perfect as always
Why you find better template than me?

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Honestly kind of agree. I don't think he's bad at grand conspiracies, I've been really enjoying Cic, but I've reread Higurashi much more than I have Umineko simply because I find it so much more enjoyable.

>> No.22270376

Because the producer of the manga force him to confirm a solution.
So he choice the more popular one
For made it work change half of the story
All for get money without revail the real solution.
R07 wanted his mistery to be eternal
But i resolve it!!!!

>> No.22270394

I finished the last note of the golden witch, it was alright but nothing to get too crazy about. It's pretty short anyway. I guess it was kind of interesting for providing an alternate scenario of what could have happened had Asumu been alive.

>> No.22270424

There's grand conspiracy in Higurashi and Slice of Life in Ciconia. The big difference is the setting. Things have been much higher level since RGD, with politics and military stuff taking a front seat. This is the stuff I think he does worst, and it weakens the experience from top to bottom. Now he's got a brand new scifi setting on top of that, and you can tell there's a struggle between character and setting exposition. It seems like the latter dominated and what was left of the former got relegated to the fragments. I'll never pass up whatever R07 makes, but I do hope the coming phases of WTC5 are more character driven, along with whatever else is in the pipeline. I like it so far and I expect it to get better over time, but it's a little disappointing to know so little about this enormous cast of characters while having the phrase WALLS OF PEACE burned into my retinas

>> No.22270460

yeah higurashi and umineko felt methodical in the way where they characterized the cast. It really felt like you knew more and more about the characters every episode, even as the plot got crazier and crazier

I don't think ryukishi has any problems pulling off abstract complex plots, but i think he's really out of his element with the politics and conspiracy stuff. I haven't played RGD so i don't know how well he does there

>> No.22270469

I don't agree that he's not good at them. RGD and Ciconia's conspiracies aren't the most clever but they're not dumb, they're really character driven at their core. The conspiracy and the conspirator are symbiotic in his stories. There is no mafia genocide without Gabriel, no basedsauce wars without Rose's ideas. And I think it's going to be the same with people like Toujirou and his plans. The conspiracy and the villain are one.

I agree with more slice of life. Literally take every public bath scene except the first establishing one and replace it with the wacky shit that happened in the fragments and you'd bump the score by a few points.

>> No.22270487

Does anyone know what's up with this drama CD shit? It apparently ties into Ciconia somehow, but I'm not proficient enough to translate complicated spoken Nip

>> No.22270610

Is there any porn in which Yasu has a dick?
Asking for research purposes.

>> No.22270667

There's no porn of Yasu depicted as Yasu in general, but like the most popular Umineko doujin involves Beato with a futa dick assaulting Battler

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In shkanontrice theory nanjo cut yasu dick (for made yasu tranny have sense)
So no sorry anon
Stop be gay

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>> No.22270688

Not even Bing Bing Wahoo man's earthquake machine will be able to restore Chloe's human dignity after I'm done with her!

>> No.22270693

you guys think yasu ever massage his prostate thinking of kanon fucking shannon

>> No.22270696

I've only ever read the main WTC VNs, is any of the sideshit actually worth it?
Like I think Higurashi has a billion console exclusive chapters for example, any of that good?

>> No.22270700

the only side thing ryukishi wrote was umineko tsubasa so you should probably read that
the higurashi side stuff was basically made and written by play station or whatever so u can ignore those

>> No.22270747

Higurashi Rei is important and should be considered part of the main story, although it consists of two joke arcs and an epilogue arc. You may skip the other two, but Saikoroshi is a must read and anyone who finishes Higurashi without reading it is missing out on the actual conclusion to the story.

Higurashi Hou is a collection two/three weird side arcs and Hinamizawa Bus Stop (a beta version of Higurashi that basically spoils the entire plot in the span of 2 hours and is actually pretty fascinating to read). I like it a lot.

That's all there is. Nothing more. It's just like 4 lighthearted side episodes, an epilogue to the main story, and a beta version of Higurashi. Just 6 side arcs.

All the other side arcs that give Higurashi that reputation are console exclusive (meaning shitty sprites and backgrounds), NOT written by Ryuukishi and pretty damn edgy to the point of being ridiculous sometimes. There is good stuff there, but not much. It's not canon anyway.

The only side story I like (not counting Rei and Hou) is the one with Natsumi, which was originally a manga, so I recommend that one. It seems Ryuukishi was actually involved with its creation and Natsumi even appeared in Higurashi Daybreak as a playable characters. Since the original PC version, over characters like Satoshi. So she's pretty beloved at 07thExpansion.

>> No.22270751

oh right i forgot about rei like he said

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that ayylmaonati mask looks soo fucking retarded. this along with the fact how much the "open-world" rosegungays sucked are the reason why i refuse to read ciconia.

>> No.22270758

All right, gonna check some of those out then. Thanks a lot!

>> No.22270769

I wanna fuck this loli bitch up the ass!

>> No.22270777

Ryuukishi is really stepping up his loli game. Higurashi wasn't that remarkable outside Satoko, who was super lewd. Umineko was kind of a step down, because Maria and Ange were really cute but not really lewd (too autistic and too young respectively). Higanbana was loli heaven and had some pretty amazing ones, but only a few could compare to Satoko. RGD only had Xiaolan but she's the most humiliatable and mindbreakable so far. And Ciconia is starting out really good with Naima and Gannet.

>> No.22270793

Ryukishi went all out with Ciconia. There's no age restriction in which children can become Gauntlet Knights and they have no rights. That means you have an entire world full of loli abuse.

I do agree with you that Xiaolan is one of his best. I want to tie her up and torture her until she uses all her energy to beg for forgiveness.

>> No.22270826

>Why you find better template than me?
Because you're a subhuman, and your only contact with internet culture is the garbage memes you've seen on Facebook (since it's the only part of the internet someone as retarded as you can browse without knowing English).

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This mention by Ishak is rather suspicious. The choice to do nothing is a choice in of itself, and it is apathetic.

>> No.22270838

I didnt have facebook!!!!
I just compliment to you that you remeber the best templete for do erikantrice memes!!!!!
Even i saw trinity meme but i didnt think to do an erikantrice memes with
So pls no bully
I am an oldfag of 4chan

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I'm starting to wonder whether Ishak is the spy now.

>> No.22270847

c>laims to be öldfäg
Haha dream on ESL niggtard :)

>> No.22270851

Battler wanted to kill his parents for giving him such a weird name.

Imagine what this bitch must be planning to do at the annual family conference! She's the killer and the spy!

>> No.22270856

>She's the killer and the spy!
Say it in red!

>> No.22270866

What if the meat factory isn't the future and is actually happening beneath the Earth during the story? All the humans there could be cult members that were tricked into joining the VR heaven with their families. The factories could be the source of the world's spiritium.

Evil Miyao is someone putting on Miyao's face, he's not really him. And the future he's warning Miyao about is that the aliens managing the factory will come out of the Earth and lead the rest of humanity into it.

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Yeah, Andy is definitively not the spy, but I can't seem to find any good information on Rukhshana and Sujatha.

>> No.22270883

doesn't it just sound like he'd do anything as long the pay s good?

>> No.22270899

I read many math book in english
I read ciconia,danganronpa 3 and fate morgana in english
I just cant write

>> No.22270906

Yes but what can you buy from someone that wants to end the world? Money is a tool for exchanging goods and services. Such a tool is worthless without any goods or individuals that provide services. Andy is a genius that hates work but makes it up by just being the best. He beat everyone because he's the best. Getting paid is just his way of flourishing at life. Also, you can't really 'relax' during the apocalypse, so it would go against his policy of slacking off. In another scene, Jesstress mentions to Tomitake that it's dumb for anyone to want money when it leads to the end of the world. The same applies with Andy. He's surely kill for money but he wouldn't destroy the world for it.
People that are greedy and motivated by money are some of the most life-affirming people because they want to experience the best out of life.

>> No.22270989

So far, my guesses for the spies are:

Stan has obvious mentions that following orders is something soldiers must do, yet also mentions that martyrdom is bad. This is contradictory and it's hard to know which he advocates.

Rethabile is mentioned as a worthless princess, lacking any talent that only has anything of worth because she went through a 1.7 billion training program. She also dates men merely to show off, meaning she wants the attention of others and does not seem to uphold any values of her own. However, she does seem to uphold responsibility, regardless of her lack of talent. Accepting to choose is a prerequisite to accepting to think. If you don't continually think, you die.

Ishak is a genius and leader, he values living yet he also has a mention to Rethabile that they should stop choosing and leave their fate to someone else. This is embracing apathy which is death.

Lingji upholds traditionalist values of family yet she also has the same Gauntlet as those blue girls at the end of Phase 1. She also says that her enemy isn't Miyao so it could be a red herring that she's the spy merely because of that Gauntlet.

Noor looks very similar to one of the blue crystal girl. I haven't found anything of importance on Noor.

>> No.22270997

Oh, and of course, Stan might have lied about receiving an email from Miyao to forget about the order.

>> No.22271012

underrated reference in filename

To be frank, a lot of African countries shared a name with their ruling dynasty, not unlike all the Chinas in history; making her dynasty name the name of her commonwealth is a neat reference

IIRC there was a mention that 3K have a spy in each faction, so you can't really skip the Atlantics

>> No.22271043

>underrated reference in filename
Hehe, I'm glad you noticed.

>IIRC there was a mention that 3K have a spy in each faction, so you can't really skip the Atlantics
They only said that there were 4 spies, one of the King assumed that there were one in each, it doesn't mean that it's the case.

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>They only said that there were 4 spies
No, quite the opposite, Jestress explicitly says "all four factions"; after that:
>KoR: ...Oh? ...So, the Battle Standard Festival children we just saw...
>KoF: The four factions sent six members each, for a total of 24 people. ...If there's one in each group, that means four of our pieces have been inserted, yes?
And at this point Jestress avoids an answer and changes the subject, though I can't think of any trick behind this.

>> No.22271081

Clearly the grand masterruse is that absolutely everyone but Miyao is a spy and it's all a gigantic setup

>> No.22271085

>though I can't think of any trick behind this
duh, I'm a moron, just realized the line from Jestress doesn't imply any number, so the amount of moles in each faction is >=1, not =1

>> No.22271087

Hmm, I see. Alright then. That's annoying because I don't think there's any spy in the AOU. Miyao is too obvious to be the spy and some symbolism point to him and Jayden being sinless. Gun values her sister. Chloe is Canadian. Koshka values life. And Lilja values life because she took the one in infinite chance to keep on living and likes to eat and spend her money.
I guess the AOU spry must be either Miyao, Meow or Chloe.

That only works if everyone in on an orient train.

Right, so there might be more than 4, but maybe 5 or 6.

>> No.22271169

Is Naima's atheist alter male or female?

>> No.22271184

They kings said that they had four pieces spying on the rest, but remember that there are like five different factions at play here. Someone acting suspiciously might be a spy for a different order that opposes the kings.

>> No.22271189

Why don't they just blame WW3 on Kim Jong Un's son or whatever? Korea doesn't seem to exist in this world, so it was probably nuked to hell after launching their own nukes at America.

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>Korea doesn't seem to exist in this world

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I don't like Chloe's wording here. Responsibilities is strongly tied to duty which is the moral necessity to perform certain actions for no reason other than obedience to some higher authority, without regard to any personal goal, motive and desire.

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Chloe's usage of 'heaven' and 'using the sword of peace' is rather odd and ominous, despite being words of reassurance towards Miyao. Declaring 'I will obey any orders you give me' relinquishes any thinking on her part. If you stop thinking, you're dead. Chloe is probably the spy.

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I wonder if Hinamizawa getting glassed in WW3 killed Hanyuu or if she's still floating around doing fuck all.

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There seems to be two point of emphasis by Ryukishi: you must love and value or else you fall into nihilism, and, if you stop thinking, you give up on life itself. It seems as though Chloe is saying that many people are like her.

>> No.22271227

I think the scariest part of Higurashi is the onikakushi nightmare. There was a lot of fucked up shit that was revealed in the Matsuribayashi pieces section, but I just find the crap K1 went through way more disturbing.

The idea of these girls just pretending to be his best friends for over a month just so they could find the perfect opportunity to murder him, all according to the plans of some weird organ harvesting mafia or demonic possession or just the two of them being psychos who enjoy killing other kids and burying them at the garbage dump... God, that shit is just sick. I can't blame the guy for retaliating like that when those creepy ass ideas were going through his mind and his brain was in paranoia mode 24/7.

>> No.22271253

Something like this happened in Latin America recently (I think it was Mexico). Some middle school kid got himself a girlfriend his age but it was all a trap. She lured him to a deserted place so he could be kidnapped and killed by a mafia that her uncle belonged to. I don't remember what they wanted to kill him for, but the "cute loli" and her uncle were arrested eventually for being part of that mafia.

>> No.22271279

What if one of the gauntlet knights is secretly a murderer with a few skeletons in their closet? Reminder that Rena killed two people and Keiichi killed a dude. And they would've gotten away with it and continued on with their lives if they didn't go fucking insane afterwards.

Maybe Gunhild murdered someone in self defense when she was 14 and had to hide the body in a garbage dump.

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Ah, I think I have something on Rukhshana. She might have the same autistic love as Mariana.

>> No.22271330

Rethabile also gives a monologue about the death of her brother. Unless the narration is weirdly tricking the audience, I don't think she can be the spy.

>> No.22271349

We should check characters with vague backstories. And the ones that don't ever show up in the VR server. Although I'd say those ones are the least likely to be spies. Also, anyone whose thoughts we've been following should be trustworthy, unless they have some weird alter willing to do bad shit.

What if the kings and jestress are all physically trapped in the 1000 year door and that's how they can project their avatars into VR rooms and kizuna chats while also predicting the future? What if Evil Miyao is someone trapped there? It's a dimension cut off from the normal world, where time goes by more slowly.

>> No.22271361

>Mario doesn't get a sprite
>Seshat's random bodyguard does

>> No.22271373

Mario has unironically become one of my favorite characters and he only had 10 minutes of screentime.

I like him more than Koizumi or the old man from the store near Maria's house. And I liked those a lot.

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>> No.22271387

I've said it before and I'll say it again. He reminds me of Kinzo.

>> No.22271390

Now that you mention it... They sure like to go down in flames.

>> No.22271447

my dick up and down and in between chloe's tits

>> No.22271455

Aucune. Je l'ai piraté sur yggtorrent mais je me suis senti mal alors je ne l'ai pas lancé

>> No.22271498

I just realized, maybe the people capable of fixing the 8MS debacle are all down there jumping around with Vier and the rest of nutcases while the world ends.

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Sujatha also seems to cling to hope, even when she knows she shouldn't. Unless this is a narrative trick, I think that confirms that she isn't a spy.

>> No.22271540

your examples are far too vague. i don't think you would've gotten anywhere using this kind of logic on past WTCs

>> No.22271548

Your criticism is vapid.

>> No.22271550

I just think it's way too early to try to figure out the traitors, the only one that seems plausible is Stan for now. Considering the rest have had three lines at most.
And did they confirmed they traitors are characters we already know? There's thousands of Gauntlet Knights, for all we know at least one could be a new character in phase 2.

>> No.22271562

Phase 2 will add a third cagando and she'll be the protagonist.

>> No.22271569
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Ryukishi planned everything. This is going to be like Umineko where everyone goes 'oohh it was obvious from the start' once everything is revealed. Ryukishi would not have said that there were four or more traitors without giving appropriate hints. You've merely given up thinking.

>> No.22271573

then tell me how you could've deduced anything about the culprit in higurashi or umineko using methods like yours.

>> No.22271580

Different game, different context.

>> No.22271588

Not quite so, but you tell me how we can say Noor, Mariana or Gannet are (or arent) traitors considering they barely had any lines besides the love triangle cliche thing. Of course Ryukishi planned everything and it'll click in the future, but even in Umineko and Higurashi, more important and relevant characters were introduced in later arcs which gave more meaning to the earlier arcs.

>> No.22271637

if you say so. i don't even necessarily disagree with any of your conclusions. i just didn't like it when you used the word "confirm" when using this kind of evidence. nevermind me.

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Also, the context was given by Koshka at the end of Phase 1: the problem with the world is that it lacks love. That is the premise for judging whether a character is a spy. When you understand that nihilism originates form four different requirements:

-a hatred of the metaphysics of reality (basically that reality is limited because A is A, etc)
-a hatred of the self through self-loathing (the internalized view you are incapable of doing anything, thereby you hate yourself for not being capable of accomplishing anything)
-a resentful hatred of others and values beyond mere envy for the previous two (others can accomplish something, and I hate that they can achieve excellence and that I can't)
-an inability or rejection to find any sense of joy in life (small pleasures such as drinking coffee, eating good food, seeking short term joy is bad)

If you do not value or love anything, you become nihilistic and accept the destruction of the world. Ryukishi also emphasizes that if you stop thinking for yourself, you live by the thinking of others according to obligation or duty.

>pls give me the answers
With Noor, I have nothing, so I haven't passed judgment on her. Mariana mentioned that she loves Gaunet whenever she's cute. She's not the spy. Gannet is hyper-emotional with her friends because she values them. That removes her from being the spy.

>Of course Ryukishi planned everything and it'll click in the future, but even in Umineko and Higurashi, more important and relevant characters were introduced in later arcs which gave more meaning to the earlier arcs.
That's the equivalent of saying 'of course Ryukishi foreshadowed everything but he gave more hints and then later revealed the culprit'. Like, no shit, but my point is that the foreshadowing is still there. Telling me that my examples are weak when Sujatha barely has any lines for me to work with is undercutting the methodology of logic itself.
The reasoning with Sujatha is
1- The monologue narration would not be a lie because it makes no sense to lie her to herself to trick the audience since there is no meta.
2- You can read monologues of the spies a few time without knowing their face, meaning that monologue narrations are truthful regardless of whether a character is a spy or not.
3- Not everyone has monologue narration. And the few times they happen must not be ignored.

I'm currently going through the VN again to make sure I have every possible line of dialogue of character valuing something or loving anything.

>> No.22271651

There were major clues starting from EP2 of Umineko, and considering Ciconia will be 4 episodes it makes sense that there might be enough clues even in Phase 1.

>> No.22271670

I'm not the other anon so I never mentioned about Sujatha, since I personally trust her. I still think some of the deductions are kind of baseless or kind of a reach. Even so, since Ciconia has the split personalities thing, I think it could be a bit more difficult to resolve. You do you though, it's really interesting to see the screenshots you post about the values of each character.

That's true, I forgot Phase1 was supposed to be like arcs 1-3.

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>i just didn't like it when you used the word "confirm" when using this kind of evidence. nevermind me.
Well, that's just a flaw of communication on my part. Nothing is confirmed until later phases. I think that the line 'I've know [that there was no way we could've played at being heroes] for so long, and yet... (I kept believing in it)' is a large clue to her innocence.
A spy would not have that narration is what I'm saying. And if the monologue narration isn't deliberately tricking the audience, then it can act as enough of a confirmation regarding Sujatha. Especially considering she has like 10-15 lines in Phase 1.

I'm still unsure whether Chloe's 'I just wanted to fly' was enough of a confirmation of her innocence. Especially with my reread of the VN and her declaration that the 'tower needs to be rebuilt' and obedience to Miyao. Yet, at the end of Phase 1, Chloe also has a monologue that she doesn't know what is right or wrong anymore. A traitor would not have those lines.

>Even so, since Ciconia has the split personalities thing, I think it could be a bit more difficult to resolve.
I view them as a red herring. And although it doesn't really apply fully, I attribute Knox 1 that a personality has to be shown to be accepted as a culprit. It would be incredibly boring and dumb to go 'ah ha, it was I, Rethabile alternate personality, I was the spy'. The main personalities must be the traitor or else there's no point to it. The only exception to this is Meow because we see the deliberate split personality.

Anyway, I'll keep rereading and seeing if there's any worth to it all. I still can't find anything on Noor though and I don't like it.

>> No.22271833

Yeah but I don't think Umineko is solvable from Ep1 alone, not without leaps in logic that are absolutely mental (Hideyoshi thinks the bodies aren't real and lies about Shannon's body being in the shed, same with Nanjo and Kanon's death - like bruh, no way anyone can think of these from just Legend)
Maybe, MAYBE from Ep2, and even then it would be tough

>> No.22271842

why not is pretty obvius.
kanon "disappier" thanks the help of the medic like in 10 little indians.
eccept eva and hydeoshi(here you must know that not all you see is true) kanon can kill everyone

>> No.22271843

There were people who had solved the epitaph between EP1 and 2, and then used EP2 to confirm their theories.
No, really.
It's absurd and I swear they HAD to have been friends of Ryukishi who decided to leak shit, it's just not feasible for a human mind to do that without cheating.

>> No.22271869

Anyone has any record of that? Was it in a forum or 4chan or something

>> No.22271872

It was in Japanese communities, comparatively no one in the west was even reading Umineko at the time.

>> No.22271885

Sorry, my bad. That is such a dick move though, to leak stuff like that. Did it get the theory get big in jp community or was it kinda on the low?

>> No.22271911

I mean, considering it ended up being a bunch of shitty puns on Taiwan's river and railway (and LORD U), it was unorthodox but someone from around there could get it (though 郷 being a homonym of 京 is a dirty little trick) - the whole kanjiplay generally makes it nigh impossible for English-only audience

>you must know that not all you see is true
Yeah but that's the point, the 'unreliable narrator' theories were tinfoil-tier at the time of Ep1, only when Ep2 started showing actual magic and introduced red truth did it catch ground
Just by reading Legend, you have little reason to doubt what you're being shown, ESPECIALLY the scenes where Battler is present - hell, this is the reason why Natsuhi's death too so long to reach a consensus, even with Ep5 and introduction of Knox

>> No.22272049

Naima is a cunning cunny and also the culprit.

>> No.22272054

beatrice speak about knox and van dyne in the turn of the golden witch.

>> No.22272105

I feel like people are focusing on the wrong mystery here. Rather than trying to figure out who the traitors are, you should be focusing on the question "who is Seshat?" I believe this latter question can be answered with the clues as presented. Remember that Seshat's character tips heavily imply that her form is just an avatar. So who is behind that avatar?

>> No.22272198

>I view them as a red herring. And although it doesn't really apply fully, I attribute Knox 1 that a personality has to be shown to be accepted as a culprit. It would be incredibly boring and dumb to go 'ah ha, it was I, Rethabile alternate personality, I was the spy'. The main personalities must be the traitor or else there's no point to it. The only exception to this is Meow because we see the deliberate split personality.

Different anon again but yeah I wonder about this... You might view it as boring and dumb but I reckon that, because the alternate personalities are going to be more prevalent in future phases, we might be forced to question exactly who the 'main' personalities really are, thus throwing even monologues into contention.

In my opinion this actually makes it MORE interesting considering the lack of a meta world and hard mystery element.

>> No.22272280

Its someone we didn't see yet.

>> No.22272290

I wanna make her go 'wowowow'!

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I already solved that. Seshat is an alien the same way as Hanyuu. See >>22261239

>In my opinion this actually makes it MORE interesting considering the lack of a meta world and hard mystery element.
I view it as a bad mystery. I'm not saying there can't be new elements with alternate personalities but it would be boring to have X alter personality be the culprit that even X didn't know about. The exception to this being Meow because they were introduced early on. It's also bad theory arguing when you go: 'oh it's alternative personality X that is the culprit' without any evidence.

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Why does she wear the gun?

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Also see >>22267953
There is no distinction between Seshat's avatar and her true form. When she interacted in reality to deal with the traitor, she showed herself but afterwards complained that it drained all her energy. She likely can manifest herself at will in VR because it's a form of communication and knowledge.

>> No.22273087

It's a toy.

>> No.22273096

She could hack into Selcom to create augmented reality and many things could go like that maybe? Any arguments why it wouldn't be plausible?

>> No.22273112

What happens if you use Gold Text to say "Nothing that has ever been said in red is true". or "Knox's rules do not apply, and therefore this is not a Mystery."

>> No.22273122

*ahem* fuck walls of peace

>> No.22273131

Depends which theory of the golden truth you believe. The Gold truth can represent either something only the gamemaster can use or it represents a collective agreement of truth among a group of individuals, regardless of whether it adheres to reality (the candy appeared by magic for example). A meta declaration about the meta rules of the game is not something a game piece would know about so they wouldn't be able to collectively agree on it to agree.

>> No.22273195

Don't we know that gold truth can only be used by a game master? But it had to have greater significance than that.

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I'm going to spitball an idea without any basis. If Une or someone that looks like her is behind all this, I'm going to lose it.
I just realized that in Outbreak, Une wanted to eat the entire human race.

Lambda said only a gamemaster can know its full signifigance iirc. I prefer to think of it as a collective agreement among gamepieces/individuals because it acts as an alternative to the red truth. Lambda said that the gold truth can be stronger and weaker than the red truth. To give a parallel, the gold truth is similar to science; a collective agreement upon all parties on the understanding of reality.

For example, everyone on the island agreed that the corpse was Kinzo because of the toe, but it could have been a body double. However, since everyone agreed, it became a gold truth. It absolutely could have been a body double from some random person with a 6th toe, but everyone agreed that it was Kinzo. The red truth would have confirmed that it is Kinzo or not but a detective cannot use magic as his reasoning, but they can use a gold truth. This is why Lambda also calls the gold truth a human truth.

>> No.22273268


red truth refers to events
golden truth refers to object

>> No.22273273

Could it be that Ryukishi has been lying?
>That's right. The gold text is something that anyone can use if they understand the rules of the game, so ultimately, even 'pieces' in the game can use it. That's probably why Beatrice the elder could use it too. It's like a hidden finishing move in a fighting game that anyone can use if they know the right commands (laughs).
quoting an interview

sorry, what? He turns around and says anyone who understands the rules (and Beato by proxy) can use it, after it has been stated in the game by Lambdadelta that it can only be used by the Game Master?
>..................Yes. ......Golden truth, effective. The gold truth.........can only be used by the territory lord of this world......no. ......only by the Game Master himself!!
quoting Lambda

I may be just misinterpreting things but I'm also not gonna deny the possibility of either Ryukishi or a translator having screwed up (or Ryukishi deliberately lying for more mindfuckery)

>> No.22273274

No, I agree with you. The gold truth is just a textual form of the things Beatrice was doing already. It was probably introduced to heavily imply that certain scenes are fake as long as everyone present agrees, so people who didn't know yet would figure it out.

>> No.22273373

It was more of a logic puzzle than mystery until Kanon's dissapearance. The mystery itself has many holes that can be only really explained that the pieces are ordered to do that (Erika kills despite several contradictions, the sacrifices were really hard trying to get killed, Battler was left out, all the "seals", the word "everyone" etc)
It's like the cheese puzzle earlier in the game. The riddle was different because you heard it instead of seeing it so it has more solutions. Erika said the corpses were in plastic bags so you could move them without blood trails. No red truth forbid that whole corpses were moved. And Erikanon (or Erishkannon) were hinted several times in EP5 and 6.

>> No.22273422

Yeah, sorry but I'm bored of arguing about this already. Maybe the Erikanon theory is plausible, but it makes so many wild assumptions that it just comes of as really silly, so I don't care for it, and also BadEnglish-kun is just rude with how hard she's pushing it.

>> No.22273548

i belive in my theory because explaine the disappearance of kanon's body with a human trick

shkanontrice have 2 theory:
the whole scene is all meta
kanon become yasu,yasu is not in the game so erika cant see her(but battler saw her in the 4th game)

My theory can explaine everything without use magic.

>> No.22273562

sorry if i am rude
just your argument of knox 8 for me is a devil proof.
even in shkanontrice kanon went to save battler
how can kanon piece know that battler was in danger if he wasn't aware of the meta

> bad english
for speak with you i use google translate
so its google fault not mine.

>> No.22273582

I don't like the idea of going through all the assumptions just to definitely explain the scene as possible without magic. Both theories require metagaming for the explanation so I don't see one as worse than the other in that regard.

>> No.22273621


>> No.22273645

think my thoery with yasu=ikuko can explaine all the games as ikuko tells her stories on rokkenjima to battler in an attempt to get them back into memory.
this explaine all the meta.

you cannot deny that there is a reason x for which a fact occurs.
if it is possible to do something, it cannot be denied without proof.
the head of kyrie was mentioned in the story, and kanon was aware of the meta, so erika opens the bathroom door, the water makes her lose control of the body and kanon appears, free battler tells ti him everything,battler brings the head (or body) of kyrie ti kanon, he put the head out of the room through the bathtub and returns erika, erika opens the wardrobe and sees nothing.
the perfect crime.

so why you say that this is an assumption

>> No.22273669

>this explaine all the meta.
I don't consider the meta as something that needs explanation; trying to explain the meta is hairsplitting and doesn't improve the story in any way.

>if it is possible to do something, it cannot be denied without proof.
The same goes for it happening. There is no proof that it happened as you described, therefore it is an assumption. It means Erika-Beatrice has the same level of plausibility as Shkaonon-Beatrice.

>> No.22273693

hempel raven
if i deny all the other possibility
my theory become the true!
how can i deny all others theory?
simple with this:
my theory is the only one who explaine this without meta or magic

>> No.22273705

See, this is why you are rude, anon. You push your theory onto everyone even though it is not better than the others. What would Dlanor say, hm?

>> No.22273721

I only used a logical weapon that I learned during umineko

dlanor can say everything but the truth is unique and can never be denied by any lie

>> No.22273755

Why in CICONIA game not a single one ciconia appeared? In Higu there was cicades everywhere, in Umi was seagulls right from start. Where's my ciconias?

>> No.22273759

You should be less pushy is all I'm saying. I'll be going now. I like arguing but I also have other things to do.

>> No.22273767

ok thanks for the advice
good luck for your other things!!!

>> No.22273770

ciconias sound like a machine gun

>> No.22273775

matrix humans creation machine of AOC are the ciconia

>> No.22273781

Miyao is our precious ciconia

>> No.22273808

Doylist (GM) explanation: Battler, Bern and Lambda didn't completely understand piece Erika and the game whose are based around her really are messing up but still makes sense. Like it is stated, Lambda and Bern "scribble" on the game board. This includes: Intentionally stealing detective authority from Erika, banishing Erika from "worlds" instead of games, creating many good opportunities for other players. Erika is like Lion, no reason to exist but she still exists because she was "found" by Bern. Coincidence?

Watsonian (on game board) explanation: Tbh, Erikatrice really fits as a possible solution. Erika's provocations was necessary to make people "play dead". Also, she somehow knows how to make Maria lose her interest in her sick rose, Maria could tell her age and is affected by diplomatic immunity (read the TIP about that). This and that, canon is pretty plothole induced and relies on Battler-Beatrice relationship and rez..

Doylist (author) explanation: Tohya is somewhat aware that the mastermind could have more identities and Ikuko misinterprete it and got the brilliant idea to destroy a dead girl's and her family's reputation and wanted to include Erika in the story. Tohya agreed and included her in the mind of his original idea. Ikuko however released the manuscript under her own name, saying "it takes so much iq to understand this"
>doesn't understand it and has to ask Ange about the solution

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