[ ] Protect Sakura. [ ] Insist on becoming a superhero.

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Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:36:05 2009 No.2217979 [Reply] [Original]

[ ] Protect Sakura.
[ ] Insist on becoming a superhero.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:37:05 2009 No.2217984 File: 50 KB, 803x599, fatedad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [x] man up

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:37:05 2009 No.2217985 [x] Put it in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:37:05 2009 No.2217986 inb4slut

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:39:05 2009 No.2217990 [x]DGAF

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:39:05 2009 No.2217992 [x] genuflect

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:39:05 2009 No.2217993 Ilya was unbelievably cute in that scene.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:41:05 2009 No.2217999 >>2217993 Isn't she always? I might actually consider reading/playing the VN if Ilya had a route.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:41:05 2009 No.2218001 >>2217985

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:42:05 2009 No.2218005 File: 79 KB, 810x656, BRING ILYA BACK.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2217993 >>2217999 I don't even like Ilya, but this was the best option choice in the game.

>>	eirei emiya !NERO.ByayA Tue Mar 10 11:42:05 2009 No.2218008 File: 243 KB, 800x600, youarekiritsugu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2217984 SEIGI NO MIKATA DA

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:42:05 2009 No.2218010 [x] Send her back to the kitchen

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:43:05 2009 No.2218012 >>2217999 I meant especially in that scene.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:43:05 2009 No.2218018 [x] Put it all the way in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:44:05 2009 No.2218025 File: 264 KB, 600x840, 1235856516316.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm probably the only one who will say it, so I'll say it proudly. [X] Protect Sakura, with all my heart.

>>	eirei emiya !NERO.ByayA Tue Mar 10 11:46:05 2009 No.2218035 >>2218025 Too bad you don't have a heart, since your body is made of swords.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:46:05 2009 No.2218043 File: 216 KB, 487x594, 1236474198466.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2218035 Heart made of swords.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:47:05 2009 No.2218044 MIND OF STEEL

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Mar 10 11:48:05 2009 No.2218057 >>2218043 A dick made of swords would not be popular with the ladies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:50:05 2009 No.2218065 >>2218025 Enjoy despair, ungratefulness, and either dying or having a loli do it in your place.

>>	eirei emiya !NERO.ByayA Tue Mar 10 11:50:05 2009 No.2218071 >>2218057 Waga kosshi wa nejire kuruu KARADOBORUGU

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:50:05 2009 No.2218072 MIND OF MOTHERFUCKING STEEL IS THE ONLY TRUE END

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:51:05 2009 No.2218074 File: 128 KB, 800x600, 1232016474518.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2218057 My dick's not a sword, it's a jackhammer.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Mar 10 11:53:05 2009 No.2218090 >>2218071 Caladbolg II: The Fake Spiral Penis

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:55:05 2009 No.2218101 File: 132 KB, 1022x750, dmc krauser.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fucking capitalist bitch pigslut needs to GO TO DMC

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 11:57:05 2009 No.2218114 >>2218090 Caster_arching_Saber.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:12:05 2009 No.2218183 File: 96 KB, 610x473, 1228741786139.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [x] Protect Sakura [x] Attack Rider Die a manly death

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:15:05 2009 No.2218199 [x] Rape Sakura. [x] Insist on becoming a superhero. [x] Kill Sakura.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:17:05 2009 No.2218210 [x] Genuflect

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Mar 10 12:18:05 2009 No.2218214 >>2218199 How does one rape Sakura? Is it... actually possible to rape her? Because rape implies that she doesn't want it.

>>	Karesh !kw3EPy0aUY Tue Mar 10 12:21:05 2009 No.2218232 >>2218025 I don't even like Sakura all that much, and I can't understand why Shirou goes so far for her. But damn it all, when that scene came up I couldn't help but be behind Shirou 100%.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:22:05 2009 No.2218239 [x] Insist on becoming Sakura

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:23:05 2009 No.2218246

Fun fact :
Anon, even though you forgot, as a male human being your ultimate objective is to pass on your genetic code to the next generation.
This means that it doesn't matter how much you keep on denying it with shitty morals or ideals, having a family with Sakura is the manlier choice Shirou could've made in FSN.

Saber is the planet's bitch, and even if by some weird shit she could stay in Shirou's world for a year, I highly doubt a servant body can conceive a child.
Rin is Rin, I don't really believe she would accept to give up most of her magic studies and career for a family.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:25:05 2009 No.2218259 >>2218214 [x] Violently Fuck Sakura [x] Insist on becoming a superhero. [x] Fuck Sakura till she die. Better?

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Mar 10 12:27:05 2009 No.2218267

>>2218246
>as a male human being your ultimate objective is to pass on your genetic code to the next generation

Says who? You're confusing instinct with human motivations. The manliest choice of all is to choose your own path and truth, and walk it without hesitation. Instinct makes you want to dive into the Erotical Black Hole.

>having a family with Sakura is the manlier choice Shirou could've made in FSN

Hardly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:27:05 2009 No.2218268 >>2218259 Superb

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:27:05 2009 No.2218272
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>>2218246

>I highly doubt a servant body can conceive a child.

You make me sad.

>Rin is Rin, I don't really believe she would accept to give up most of her magic studies and career for a family.

Maguses need a descendant for their Magic Crest.

(Which makes me wonder; what happens to the child if two magus family heirs fall in love? Having two Crests would suck.)

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Mar 10 12:28:05 2009 No.2218280 >>2218272 Love doesn't have much to do with magus families, so I doubt it's a very common problem.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:28:05 2009 No.2218284
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>>2218267

>The manliest choice of all is to choose your own path and truth, and walk it without hesitation

Then Mind of Steel isn't manly at all, because it's not his own path.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:29:05 2009 No.2218290 >>2218246 >I don't really believe she would accept to give up most of her magic studies and career for a family. Rin had a grandchild that became Sakura's student.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:30:05 2009 No.2218299 >>2218284 That's why UBW is the best, since he makes the ideal his own.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Mar 10 12:32:05 2009 No.2218316

>>2218284
Wrong. He made it his own path.

Just because a conviction wasn't born of your mind originally doesn't mean you can't make it your own. You could be the son of a cancer researcher and decide that you want to develop a cure for cancer. It probably wasn't your dream to start with, but you decided on that path yourself, so it's your dream now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:33:05 2009 No.2218323 File: 18 KB, 200x250, nerine.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2218272 yeah it probably sucks to inherit too much magic..isn't it sad Lycoris?

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:34:05 2009 No.2218329

>>2218316

>Wrong. He made it his own path.
See >>2218299.
He did in UBW, not in Mind of Steel, where he simply cloned Kiritsugu.

>Just because a conviction wasn't born of your mind originally doesn't mean you can't make it your own.

But if you copy a person, mind and body, you're not making it your ideal.
You're just being a good mimic.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:36:05 2009 No.2218341

>>2218272
>>2218246

You forget though, that whilst Saber is a Servant, she is also still alive and the body she appears in is her own body transported through time, rather than a clone of a hero who is being stored in the throne of heros.

Saber seems to eat, drink and sleep like any normal person does, i imagine she will be able to have children. The real question is wether she had started having her period by the time she took Caliburn from the stone. If yes, then there is no problem, but if she hadnt, there is no way she can reproduce as taking the sword from the stone froze her at her current age.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:37:05 2009 No.2218352 >>2218246 Actually, Rin would continue with her studies while Shirou stayed home with the kid/s. I bet he'd actually like it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 12:47:05 2009 No.2218439 >>2218341 Ah, the logistics of Saber's menstral cycle, i love /jp/

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:20:05 2009 No.2218664 File: 50 KB, 800x600, 1232368845250.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2217979 Yandere Sakura makes me hard

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:25:05 2009 No.2218679 I dont get why so many people are angry shirou gave up his goals for Sakura. His goals were childish and unrealistic. That fact was pounded into us after reading UBW and Kiritsugu's story. Becoming the superhero shirou wanted to become was impossible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:28:05 2009 No.2218695 Why can't Shirou just become a salaryman like a normal Japanese man?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Mar 10 13:29:05 2009 No.2218699 >>2218679 You didn't understand anything at all, did you, sir?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:30:05 2009 No.2218702 >>2218272 Remember folks Saber is not a real servant. She was summoned to the time period Shirou was in BEFORE her death because her wish was to obtin the holy grail. Therefore ending is possible, since it's her real body.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:32:05 2009 No.2218714 >>2218679 Just because it's impossible doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Mind of Steel is the True End. Shirou's ideal is Shirou's ideal, it doesn't matter who had it before.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:33:05 2009 No.2218722

>>2218699
What is there to understand? Shriou wanted to become someone who could save everyone. He was either to sacrifice the few to save the many, even if the few are his loved ones. Walking the same cold and lonely path that Kiritsugu and Archer walked. Or he could abandon his goals and selfishly save who he wanted to save.

He obviously chose the latter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:34:05 2009 No.2218725 >>2218702 >>2218341 Is it just me, or does the idea of Saber and Shirou having kids warm your cold dead heart up?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:34:05 2009 No.2218727 >>2218722 Not in my game he didn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:34:05 2009 No.2218728 What kind of a superhero would abandon a victim like Sakura?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:35:05 2009 No.2218730 >>2218714 I understand that, but we all know the outcome of that end. People are angry that he gave up the path that would lead to his own self destruction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:35:05 2009 No.2218734 >>2218728 She's not a victim, she willingly accepted evil. The correct path is to kill her to save the real innocent victims.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:36:05 2009 No.2218735 File: 232 KB, 842x1200, 37.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2218725 yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:36:05 2009 No.2218736 >>2218725 I let out an audible "d'aw" when I saw >>2218272

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:36:05 2009 No.2218744 File: 86 KB, 1024x768, 3272482121_0262d6e7cf_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2218728 Gilgamesh is my Hero.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:36:05 2009 No.2218745 >>2218725 Yes. It makes me smile whenever i think of it or see fanart of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:36:05 2009 No.2218747 >>2218730 There's no guarantee it would lead to his destruction. The Archer route isn't any of the published routes.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:38:05 2009 No.2218752 >>2218734 Abandoned by her family to a lifetime of rape and torture. Vengeance isn't inherently evil, no matter what Disney tells you to the contrary.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:38:05 2009 No.2218756 >>2218725 If there are two characters who ever deserved that kind of simple happiness, its Saber and Shirou.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:38:05 2009 No.2218758 >>2218748 Nobody can laugh at him, because an ideal is stronger than any man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:38:05 2009 No.2218760 >>2218747 So even though we've seen two examples of that ideal failing, he still should repeat what they (Archer and Kiritsugu) did and walk their same path? History will repeat itself if you do not learn from it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:39:05 2009 No.2218766 >>2218752 Oh god, not this again. Didn't we figure out last time that while vengeance isn't inherently evil, taking out the actions of three men on the entire world is?

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:43:05 2009 No.2218788 >>2218760 The ideal will fail, like the story says, there is no "superhero". But it's not about succeeding for him. The ideal is still beautiful, and that's why he keeps it. "Selfishly pursuing selflessness", was it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:44:05 2009 No.2218792 File: 110 KB, 1012x679, thatfuckinggirugamesh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2218744

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:45:05 2009 No.2218803

>>2218747
That's not the point though, the point is the ideal doesn't work. It inherently has it's fallacies. You cant save everyone like what Shirou wanted, there will always be sacrifices. His ideal would have to become twisted and morphed like Archer and Kiritsugu in order for him to walk it. Eventually he would be in the same place as Kiritsugu and Archer, having killed so many, including loved ones, his heart would turn cold.

Shirou becomes like Veidt from The Watchmen.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:46:05 2009 No.2218808

>>2218760

If by two examples you mean the other routes, they went quite well.

In Fate, Shirou fucking seduced King Arthur's rule 63 and, because he was mature and not a whiny bitch, let her go when he knew it was the right thing to do. It turned out that the promise of power from the grail turned out to be too good to be true, and he let go anyway, despite honeyed lies and promises that he could have what he wanted. Then he moved on with his life. Tohsaka would see to that. Fate can lead to an Archer End, but it doesn't necessarily have to.

In Unlimited Blade Works, Shirou's got a pretty fucking bright future. He's got Rin and she's got him. They've got their careers and lives together ahead of them. With her around, I doubt UBW Shirou would have become Archer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:48:05 2009 No.2218811 >>2218725 It makes me dawwww every time i think of it. /r/ing the doujin where, at the end, Rin teases Saber about having children and asks if she is happy. That one seems to end with happy pregnant Saber.

>>	girugamesh girugamesh Tue Mar 10 13:48:05 2009 No.2218813 >>2218792

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:49:05 2009 No.2218818 >>2218766 I don't want to get into it again, but you're pretty heartless to call Sakura evil.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:49:05 2009 No.2218820 >>2218808 I believe he meant Archer and Kiritsugu, who were both destroyed by the ideal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:50:05 2009 No.2218828 >>2218820 Kiritsugu died a happy man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:51:05 2009 No.2218832 >>2218818 I'm the guy who last time was saying that while what Sakura was doing - No. No, you know what? Fuck you. You're not dragging me into this shit again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:51:56 2009 No.2218831 >>2218828 Somewhat. If he had given up on the ideal or comprimised like Shirou did in UBW, he would have gotten the things he wanted and protected the people he loved.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:52:05 2009 No.2218840 >>2218828 Somewhat. If he had given up on the ideal or compromised like Shirou did in UBW, he would have gotten the things he wanted and protected the people he loved.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:53:05 2009 No.2218847 File: 62 KB, 480x360, shitstorm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A bit late but SHITSTOOOOORM alert.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:55:05 2009 No.2218859

>>2218831

People with a strong sense of justice have a hard time living with themselves if they know they're ignoring or even causing the suffering of innocent people. What separates the men from the boys is whether they keep at it after they realize how unglorious it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:55:05 2009 No.2218865 >>2218847 I wouldn't really call it a shitstorm, seems like a normal discussion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:57:05 2009 No.2218874 >>2218859 I agree with you. I posted >>2218788 , the ideal fails every time, but the ones holding it continue anyway, they won't stop believing in it. >>2218748

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:58:05 2009 No.2218882 >>2218828 Killing your own wife and never getting to see your own daughter? Yeah...

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 13:59:05 2009 No.2218889
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>>2218832

You really want to, though. Look at your two sages. Seething with hate. Calling to me. They feign disinterest, but it's a thin ruse. And somewhere, in your wicked, black heart, you can't resist the compelling urge to make it known that a victim of a decade of child rape is an evil person for what their life has turned them into.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 14:02:05 2009 No.2218904

>>2218803
The central theme of Watchmen the conflict between the utilitarian ethics of Veidt and the Kantian ethics of Rorschach. It is very careful to avoid picking sides.

Shirou's attitude is much closer to Rorschach than Veidt. In Mind of Steel he kills Sakura not because he's calculated that it results in the greatest good for the greatest number, but because Sakura is actively killing innocents right now and there is no other reliable way to stop her. The big weakness of utilitarianism is uncertainty, and Shirou doesn't have Veidt's godly super-genius to circumvent this. Utilitarianism is only a side effect of Shirou's ideal when it occurs at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 14:04:05 2009 No.2218920 >>2218904 I don't think Nasu put this much thought into this.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Mar 10 14:05:05 2009 No.2218924 Holy shit, we need to include Watchmen in every Fate debate from here on out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 14:09:05 2009 No.2218960 >Thread about Fate ideals and Watchmen FUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK!

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Mar 10 14:11:05 2009 No.2218976 >>2218960 Shirou is Rorschach. Both of them die.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 14:12:05 2009 No.2218991 >>2218924 Why would I save a loli that I have no p0n0s in?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 14:36:05 2009 No.2219164 >>2218882 At least he was happy because he knew that all his ideal wouldn't be wasted now that there's someone to inherit it. Too bad, that someone realised it very much later that his ideal sucks.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 14:42:05 2009 No.2219209

>>2219164

I wonder about that because he also throw it away to save Shirou.

Shirou himself is only doing it because of his sense of guilt over abandoning everyone to save himself ... UBW is funny in the sense its Archer Route and seems a bit disconnected from Fate.

To me its UBW<Fate<HF

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 14:46:05 2009 No.2219232

>>2219209
He didn't 'throw it' away for Shirou's sake. That happened before. After that ,Fire buns everything, he has been hit with the grail mud and finds a survivor.
He was just glad to save someone.
He DIDN'T want Shirou to be a magus and follow the path that for himself only brought hardships and loss, but you know what happens.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 14:49:05 2009 No.2219246 [x] Have sex with Rider behind her back.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:01:05 2009 No.2219309

>>2219232

He thrown it away in a sense, the shounenfags of /jp/ would have use it ... he did not because he realized the true nature of the Grail.

Then he also realized how fucking stupid his entire life was, he tried to amend and that is why he saved Shirou and tried to meet with Ilya.

But that goes over the heads of the shounenfags here ... the fact that path was only doing to lead to self-destruction since its a impossible goal filled with contradictions (right at the start with the "rejoice Shirou").

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Tue Mar 10 15:04:05 2009 No.2219338 >>2219309 >shounenfags get out

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:06:05 2009 No.2219353 >>2219309 >>2218788

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:10:05 2009 No.2219370
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>>2219309

It also seems that you also forget it's the most awesome path, since in the other all we see is a lot of Nasusex and "BAWWWW suddenly I love her so I'll protect no matter what"

It is obviously clear that Nasu wants to shove this route down our throat as a final ending, you can tell that from the choices he gave us in VN. Unlike Fate and UBW, it has no specific condition nor does it explain why suddenly Sakura becomes the main heroine in this route, apart from 'suddenly, I realise that my personal cook and maid is da best'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:12:05 2009 No.2219379 I always wondered what MIND OF STEEL was. Then I became super hero and got spammed about MIND OF STEEL in every fucking sentence. Best end by the way, I wonder how Shirou killed everyone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:12:05 2009 No.2219383 >>2219309 >shounenfags Gb2/a/, son. You obviously do not belong here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:15:05 2009 No.2219400 >>2219379 From my own speculation and Kotomine's statement, he would probably use Kiritsugu's method. That is, do everything that's needed to win-even if it means to play dirty.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:16:05 2009 No.2219404

>>2219370
...Excluding Saber who appears later, he has an obvious interest in the two sisters when the story starts.
Shirou's abnormal thought process and way he interacts leads to him either not acknowledging or not really doing anything about it.
If you see all 3 routes together, small choices made can affect a lot of things (Buy meat for saber, Rin gets a harem is a joke example).

And the reason the path is last has to do with the overall focus of Shirou's path and decisions, not the heroines. It's done for the sake of presentation, not importance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:22:05 2009 No.2219439 >>2219400 Yeah I suppose that's probably how it would turn it. WTB Epilogue of Shirou putting bullets in everyone's skull.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:28:05 2009 No.2219487

This game is bad, very bad. Don't play it I reccommend not to do it, it makes you incommfortable all the way you play it. Along with Hitomi My stepsister, Virgin Roster and other, please don't ever play those, waste of time and very disgusting. If you want to play some good and touching games that woth it, play Crescendo, Figuress of Happiness, Kana Little Sister, Snow Sakura or even the gracious Heart de Roommate. Honest, don't play this, don't let yourself be fooled as I did.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:28:05 2009 No.2219489 >>2218183 Thats what I never understood. /jp/ always hypes up Mind of Steel, but this is the best non end in Heaven's Feel

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:29:05 2009 No.2219491
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>>2219404
>small choices made can affect a lot of things

You obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Let me be more clear,

in fate and UBW the reason that the route parts from each other is clear, that is, Archer is not injured by Saber,due to Shirou's use of Command spell choice, so he can go on his own agenda, which is to kill Shirou.

However, in HF, the specific choice that leads to this route, does not exist,you can choose the same choice in fate and nothing happens. It suddenly forces on us the least loved character as a main heroine.Which everyone find despicable, it is also the longest and most boring route, constantly filled with Bad ends,inflicted mostly by the said 'heroine', just for the pure reason of 'you don't love her enough,you're deadLOL'

The only redeeming value in it is that we learn the true nature of Kotomine. Without him this route would've easily become a shitfest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:31:05 2009 No.2219504 >>2219491 It does, the choice is Sakura, Sakura and Sakura. That is the trigger, Shirou's love for Sakura.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:32:05 2009 No.2219513 >>2219489 Well, seeing that he wins because Saber go easy on him and didn't use her Excaliber haxx, it's not that all impressive. Plus,he can not finish her off because he's dead.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:34:05 2009 No.2219524
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>>2219513

Excalibur is a slow attack.

The time it would've taken for it to charge would've left her vulnerable to the first strike of Overedge.

Shirou borrowed Archer's speed, remember.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:35:05 2009 No.2219527 >>2219504 AND you can choose sakura in fate route on your first play, but still gets fate,not HF. Which is the very much of the reason of my argument until now.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:35:05 2009 No.2219533

>>2219491
In, HF. the simple what if is 'What if Shirou took notice of Sakura sooner and her problems' (which exist in every route). Thus, gets closer to her, Shinji messes up faster and snowball of effects.

Also, the other 2 routes have plenty of bad ends, point is stupid and not accurate. And saying 'Least loved character' is just stupid opinion, and not the basis for writing a route either way.

And finally, the point was never on the heroines.
No matter what it seems like, the focus is always Shirou and his growth, and how people he cares about (heroines) affect that. Sakura who was a victim first and then lashed out forced a different growth then tragic hero Saber and Partner-in-asskicking Rin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:37:05 2009 No.2219544 >>2219527 Nasu DOES NOT want you to view the routes in ANY order, hence why the UBW trigger can't come at first. You do not have an option at first. Your argumet is invalid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:37:05 2009 No.2219545 >>2219527 Maybe because HF only unlocks AFTER Fate and UBW were completed? Dumbass, you also DONT get the choice to stop Saber before Fate is completed.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:37:05 2009 No.2219548

>>2219533

>In, HF. the simple what if is 'What if Shirou took notice of Sakura sooner and her problems' (which exist in every route). Thus, gets closer to her, Shinji messes up faster and snowball of effects.

You can do the EXACT SAME choices in your first playthrough of the game, but it won't progress to Heaven's Feel without completing Unlimited Blade Works.

But why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:39:05 2009 No.2219551 >>2219545 Nothing "unlocks", though. All the choices are the same, unlike the UBW trigger, where a new choice pops out of nowhere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:39:05 2009 No.2219552 >>2219548 See >>2219544 >>2219545

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:40:05 2009 No.2219556 >>2219548 You really are a fucking idiot. He doesn't WANT you to read HF yet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:41:05 2009 No.2219561 >>2219556 So? There's still no logic behind it preventing me. You just waiving it off as an act of god does not improve my opinion of Heaven's Feel in the slightest.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:42:05 2009 No.2219564

>>2219533
>the other 2 routes have plenty of bad ends, point is stupid and not accurate

You DO realise that HF has more BAD ENDs than both route does, right ?

>And saying 'Least loved character' is just stupid opinion

Once again, you've shown you ignorance.

Character popularity vote, check it out ,slowfuck.

>the point was never on the heroines

Hurr Durr

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:47:05 2009 No.2219582

>>2219564
When he wrote the route, he didn't write and focus depending on expected popularity.
Plus, more preferring the other two does not mean she is bad. Less appeal=NO appeal.
That's why your argument is retarded.
And the Bad ends of HF are 16, aka less then half total but yes, more then UBW or Fate.
But they prove nothing, really.

You have a Sakura hate that you try to push as fact.
We have seen that a lot.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:50:05 2009 No.2219598

>>2219561
It's a pure fucking storytelling aspect.
If it was a book, he released the Saber version first, then Rin, THEN Sakura.
You NEVER had a choice, really.
This is the stupidest think someone has argued about on /jp/, and we have had WarhammerVsTypeMoonVsTouhouvsIndex threads.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:52:05 2009 No.2219611 Heaven's Feel is the true route. Sakura is #1 to Shirou. Nasu agreed.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:53:05 2009 No.2219618

>>2219582

>more preferring the other two does not mean she is bad

Ok, now it's you who's retarded.

>Bad ends of HF are 16, aka less then half total but yes, more then UBW or Fate.
But they prove nothing, really

This is why I called you ignorant,meh.

>You have a Sakura hate that you try to push as fact

Not really, personally she's just fine as the side character.

tl;dr Sakura fanboy trying to prove his point validity, with futile results.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:53:05 2009 No.2219619 >>2219611 Oh dear, here we go again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:55:05 2009 No.2219630 >>2219618 So, bad ends with many of them originating from other characters and that are not the main story in the end and POPULARITY are your main arguments? Sure man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:55:05 2009 No.2219631 File: 4 KB, 210x168, 1235998805542.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2219582 >>2219598 >>2219611 Is that some samefaggotry I smell ? I think it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:55:05 2009 No.2219636 The true route is the Ayako route that will come out in 2014 when they do a remake of the game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:56:05 2009 No.2219639 >>2219598 > This is the stupidest think someone has argued about on /jp/, and we have had WarhammerVsTypeMoonVsTouhouvsIndex threads. best definition of /jp/ I ever came accross

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:56:05 2009 No.2219641

>>2219598

We're SUPPOSED to have a choice.

The entire story revolves around our choices, and that's what leads us to the intricate BAD ENDs.

We're Shirou's subconscious, and we're trying to make sense of why the fuck two identical processes DO have different results when one happens at a later date.

Waiving it as an act of god still does not absolve it of being inexplicable to the story.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:57:05 2009 No.2219642 >>2219639 Warhammer 40k>Touhou

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:57:05 2009 No.2219643 >>2219636 >>2219636 >>2219636

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:57:05 2009 No.2219645 >>2219582 >>2219611 And here we have /jp/ Sakura fanboys, like always.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:59:05 2009 No.2219653 File: 13 KB, 150x181, 1235581106809.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2219630 ...You lose me man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 15:59:05 2009 No.2219655 >>2219645 I'm >>2219582. And she is nowheer near my favorite character. Your arguments are just simply retarded. I didn't particluarly like her oute and I can't even fuucking IGNORE your bullshit. It's bad even for /jp/ TM thread levels.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:01:05 2009 No.2219663 >>2219611 Well, that's why Nasu's work sucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:02:05 2009 No.2219669 File: 339 KB, 800x600, Sakura.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Senpai senpai senpai!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:03:05 2009 No.2219677 >>2219663 Do you truly believe everything you read on the Internet? BTW, Nasu's favorite character is Rider.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:04:05 2009 No.2219684 >>2219663 no, it sucks because he can't write a erotic scene. where's that capture about elaborate prostitute when I need it ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:04:05 2009 No.2219686 File: 12 KB, 205x174, punkfacepalmed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2219655 >nowheer >oute >fuucking Jesus Christ, even though you're stating some failed argument at least do it properly you fucktard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:06:05 2009 No.2219693 File: 321 KB, 1024x768, Ayako.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2219636 >>2219643 SUPERIOR MOE

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:06:05 2009 No.2219698 >>2219655 >nowheer wat L/2/spell retard.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:06:05 2009 No.2219699

>>2219686
Yes, cause you CLEARLY could not understand what I was talking about.
Fucktard.

>>2219684
Actually, from ALL the VNs I have read, the good sex scenes I have read are about ...6.
With 2 of them being so because they were very short.

It's a universal problem when you describe intercourse.
Few odd words are the least of the issues.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:08:05 2009 No.2219707 File: 248 KB, 1128x1600, 23.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2219693 YEEEAAAH

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:09:05 2009 No.2219712 >>2219699 >cause Haha, oh wow. Gb2gaia you dumbfuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:09:05 2009 No.2219719 >>2219712 You know what, this is fucking sad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:11:05 2009 No.2219730 >>2219707 That doujin made me rage at the ending.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:12:05 2009 No.2219734 >>2219655 >nowheer >particluarly >oute >fuucking This is the most fucking grammar FAIL I've ever seen since that nigger quote.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:13:05 2009 No.2219744 File: 341 KB, 1128x1600, 40.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2219730 It still gave promise of an AYAKO END so I was satisfied.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:14:05 2009 No.2219748 >>2219699 cool story ,bro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:14:05 2009 No.2219749 >>2219734 It's MISTYPING. Not wrong use of words, nor wrong spelling. You have never hit a key twice or reversed order in your perfect internet career, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:15:05 2009 No.2219755 File: 73 KB, 800x600, 1235192456140.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mind of Steel end is the best, Japan agrees.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:17:05 2009 No.2219765 File: 33 KB, 598x448, 1235067462479.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2219749 Internet is serious business LOL

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:18:05 2009 No.2219767

I'd think that choice over if it was Rin, or pretty much anybody else.

Sakura, however, is a useless, cowardly bitch. The whole HF is about Sakura stop acting like that. She can't be used as a woman even in that sense, as she might make a good wife, but I doubt she could develop any maternal instincts or any relationship to whatever as she was during the whole HF. When she wasn't either angsting or running away, she was a crazy yandere.
And if you've read Return to the Spring, you see Sakura that can actually act as a person, given a time to fix her personality. Then you look back and say: "Wow, somehow I wonder if even such a great thing was worth THAT much trouble"

also,

[ ]Bring My arm down
[ ]...I can't do it
[x]Project Rule Breaker and bring my arm down.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:19:05 2009 No.2219776 As heroine i like Rin, but as a story i like Minds of Steel. So what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:20:05 2009 No.2219780 >>2219767 Here we go again...

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:23:05 2009 No.2219794 File: 144 KB, 595x841, riderayako.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2219744 Ayako end is impossible. She already belongs to someone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:24:05 2009 No.2219797 >>2219611 You read Last Episode, anon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:25:05 2009 No.2219806 >>2219794 Rider would definately share

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:26:05 2009 No.2219812 File: 202 KB, 800x2030, GSC 1.6 -Fate HA- Sakura Matou.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2219645 Do you have a problem with us Sakura fans?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:26:05 2009 No.2219818 >>2219794 "Oh, you should imrove your diet, eat more meat, so you will be more tasty in the future" I chuckl'd

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:29:05 2009 No.2219833

>>2219379

This is the most appealing post in this fucking stupid thread, so I guess I will reply to this.

For Rin - Exploit her tsundere behaviours, backstab her and steal her command spell - easy modo win.

For Ilya - just kill her when she comes to play with you in shopping district. Another easy win.

Assassin&Zouken - most troublesome since Assassin can not be detected by Shirou's own skill. I guess it's time to put that command spell you stole earlier to use XD

Kotomine - no Ilya,no Sakura, no grail, no reason to fight.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:30:05 2009 No.2219839 File: 395 KB, 1128x1600, 29.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2219806 >>2219794 >Rider and Ayako threesome end Oh god I'm already fapping

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:31:05 2009 No.2219844 >>2219833 I've always wondered about what Rider will do in that one

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:31:05 2009 No.2219847 >>2219839 BEST END EVAR

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:33:05 2009 No.2219858 >>2219844 Rider can't do shit. By taking Mind of Steel Shirou has finished Sakura off earlier so no master, no problem.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:36:05 2009 No.2219869

>>2219833
>For Rin - Exploit her tsundere behaviours, backstab her and steal her command spell - easy modo win.

Ignore that she's a magus...

And Rin was implied to be his final opponent, as he killed her before the altar of the Grail after learning of its Angry Manju nature.

>For Ilya - just kill her when she comes to play with you in shopping district. Another easy win.

Ignore that she's also a magus with Mystic Eyes of lesser petrification.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:40:05 2009 No.2219908

>>2219858
That doesn't change the fact that she is a motherfucking servant, she can come in the Church ten minutes after what we've seen in the game and mop the floor with Shirou, Rin and even Kotomine. Or just take off Breaker Gorgon and go on the Borin' Mode.

Shirou can't take out Rin's Command spell as she kinda lacks servant, so it's Shirou and Rin(if Shirou isn't stupid) against Assasin. Well, enjoy the epic battle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:44:05 2009 No.2219945 >>2219869 Hey, like I said, it's all about how to exploit their trust.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:45:05 2009 No.2219957

>>2219869
our posts are interestingly similiar.

I guess the obvious is obvious.

But I still don't get why would he do anything to Rin. She is much more of a magus than he is, and I doubt any of them would wan't to do anything other than destroying it when learning about Avenger. I am sure that the Sakura thingie wil haunt her to the end of her life, but she is a magus of Tohsaka, she has the Mind of Steel from the beginning of the game. I think she would kill Shirou if she had to even at the end of UBW.

Illay is imho out of the game already.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:48:05 2009 No.2219976 >>2219908 And why would they wait for her ? Moreover, why would she want a revenge ? All we see of her in F/SN is that she's an obedient and protective figure, but not vengeful.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:48:05 2009 No.2219979 >>2219957 I see you skipped UWB as well ... Serious people, why do you talk crap?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:53:05 2009 No.2220002 >>2219957 Kotomine explicitly predicted that Rin would go mad from grief now that her sister is dead and would do anything to obtain the grail.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:54:05 2009 No.2220007 Kotomine should have smuggled a gun in.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 16:56:05 2009 No.2220020

>>2219979
Well, the only moment she went easy on Shirou was in the beginning, when she didn't want to kill him(and didn't in the bad end). She went easy on him, since she didn't take the wrench guy fighting gands with a strenghtening magic seriously. She would act totally different if shw knew what he really is capable of and that he is serious. Most of all, she was the one who decided to kill Sakura. She WANTED to kill her when she was still mentally able to. That's what being magus means, and Nasu wrote quite a few pages about that in the Prologue.

Of course, she didn't kill Sakura when they fought, I admit that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:00:05 2009 No.2220037 >>2220007 He said that a gun doesn't suit his taste, also remarked Kiritsugu for using it.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:02:05 2009 No.2220048

>>2220002
Kotomine, most of all, didn't know much about Rin, as she was always acting pretty tsun to him. Also, he could have actually wanted to grasp the Grail himself, I doubt he would TELL Shirou about that. And he wasn't really afraid of him, he actually wanted to fight Shirou all along.

And even if Rin was that fixed on the Grail, who knows what would she do, seeing the black lake, stripped loli (or alternativelly, stripped Shinji) and the void.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:06:05 2009 No.2220069 >>2220037 Well, it could compensate for the fact that he aged and got slower in F/SN.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:06:05 2009 No.2220076 >>2220048 Go play UBW and find out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:08:05 2009 No.2220080 >>2220076 I don't have to do that for a third time, do I?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:09:05 2009 No.2220087 Now I'm confused about Kotomine's motivation. Does he want to learn the meaning of birth, find out if living life differently from other people is a crime or to find the worth of a worthless life?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:12:05 2009 No.2220103 >>2220087 He wants to get his jollies off seeing massacre and destruction. Everything he said to Shirou otherwise was just theatrics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:15:05 2009 No.2220128 >>2220103 Oh. Great, I have this horrible mental image of Kotomine skullfucking Shirou while he's in magical surgery.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:17:05 2009 No.2220140

>>2220087
Well, most of all, he want to help himself, everything he does is because of that. He wants to find his answer, solve his problem, call it whatever you want. His problem was, that he couldn't be happy. Nowadays, that's common. He, however, found out that he IS able to enjoy some things, but most of them are wrong. He wondered when did it began. And found out, that he was like that for all his life, he was just born thinking the wrong way. And after understanding that he can't get an answer why did that happen by normal means, he thought that the best way to see if it was dependable was to observe the birth of someone who, as he was, was supossed to be evil by concept.

Also, he wanted to have fun, as Angra Maniyu could bring him quite a lot of enjoyment. Relate to Kefka if you want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:20:05 2009 No.2220155 >>2220103 It would be theatrics if he said that to Shirou only, but it was said in the Interlude, his feelings and motivation too. Vaguely, though, but it did prove that he did not said crap to Shirou to confuse him or somehting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:20:05 2009 No.2220156 >>2219957 I disagree, Rin failed the MIND OF STEEL when she brought Shirou back to life. Also note she didn't kill Sakura until Shirou gave his consent, she's pretty soft at heart.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:21:05 2009 No.2220160 >>2220140 Uh,no. He also realised that the moment Angra Manyu come to this world he would be killed, so the part about him enjoying is not true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:22:05 2009 No.2220168 >>2220156 Damn, ressing Shirou is a good argument. Sad thing is, Rin dropped a rank for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:22:05 2009 No.2220170 >>2220140 Wait, let me get this straight: By witnessing the birth of Angra Mainyu, he can figure out why he was born wrong?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:23:05 2009 No.2220180 >>2220160 I meant that for Fate, as Avenger was supposedly not coming out in that one, so he had a motivation as simple as that.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:27:05 2009 No.2220207

>>2220020

Not getting the point?

She saved Shirou for one reason, that Sakura would cry ... Rin always had weak spot in Sakura.

But its not only in there, in UBW she freezes when she sees the effects of the Blood Fort ... Rin despite all her bravado is still unexperienced.

Rin was not "taking it easy" with Shirou, she simply did not wanted for him to be hurt for several reasons, none actually related of him being a "second rate magnus".

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:27:05 2009 No.2220209

>>2220170
There were some semantics about that in the game, I agree that it sounds like bullshit. He, however, wasn't the one pulling Avenger out. And in his infamous qoute about the two madmen, he stated that it was all bullshit himself.

It's just "It's supposed to be evil, but you can't take it's right for a living. You don't know if it won't refuse it's nature. I did, for the most part"
Also, that's one of basic ideas of Hollow Ataraxia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:29:05 2009 No.2220224 >>2220209 I think what it mean was "you cannot presume something that is not even born yet to be evil".

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:30:05 2009 No.2220229 >>2220209 So in the end, it all boils down to "I can only feel pleasure in the pain of others, so let's give everybody a lot of pain"?

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:35:05 2009 No.2220257

>>2220229
What is wrong about that is, as some Anon pointed out before me, he was wanting to cause pain in Fate, but in HF he was going to die when Avenger was hatching(well, at that point, he really was dead already, but whatever) and it wasn't him who was supposed to take his power. He didn't really have reason to fight anyone, as he wasn't the one causing the pain, so no pleasure included. So his fight, if it wasn't just fighting Shirou because he was THE Emiya and because it would amuse him if he failed in the end, his last fight HAD to be ideological in some way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:39:05 2009 No.2220272 >>2220257 Actually, Kotomine stated that since both of them were going to die anyways, he was going to take out his anger on Shirou.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:41:05 2009 No.2220286

>>2220257
>He didn't really have reason to fight anyone, as he wasn't the one causing the pain, so no pleasure included.

He was following the exact logic of Kiritsugu's method.

By preventing Shirou from destroying Angra Mainyu and Angra Mainyu killing billions, he was killing billions.
"No pleasure" indeed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:41:05 2009 No.2220287 >>2220272 One wonders what was he angry about if he didn't have anything to lose and was a masochist, so pain didn't mean anything for him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:45:05 2009 No.2220303 >>2220286 well, I can live with that oh, wait.

>>	Waku Waku !Hauu07PLe. Tue Mar 10 17:46:05 2009 No.2220311 >>2220286 What? No. Kotomine wasn't protecting Angra Mainyu to kill anybody. He was protecting it because it was his "answer", and he didn't know how to do anything but seek it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 23:05:05 2009 No.2221969 I think the part about him being unable to enjoy life is bullshit, seeing how he eagerly ate those hot-as-hell Mapo Tofu.

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