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Guide and resources:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
(Please check here before asking questions.)

Previous thread: >>21999598

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>> No.22010426

>>22010413
Second for RTK will permanently cripple you

>> No.22010436

>>22010392
lol imagine installing 30 visual games and never finishing 1 of them

dont u think that kind of behaviour is a bit strange m8

>> No.22010447

>>22010436
Not really
just nothing that managed to consistently keep my attention
maybe I have to agree with people VNs are shit
I got over the half way mark for quite a few of them btw

>> No.22010495

>>22010436
I have a few thousand games thanks to ROM dumps and the like, haven't played most of them

>> No.22010502

retoasting for newsfags
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbwBhbB6P62P1SrcwcKgaqQ

>> No.22010511

>>22010495
having a bunch of roms and intentionally installing 30 software packages is completely different

>> No.22010515

>>22010447
find a nukige centred around your 近親相姦フェチ that should keep your attention LOL

>> No.22010535

after sentence mining from easy news, i think it's about time i sentence mine song lyrics


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMHP8ZXvuMM

>> No.22010615

>>22010535
is it sentence mining if its not a sentence

>> No.22010674

whats a good reader to use if i wanted to upload my yotsuba onto my phone?

>> No.22010706

Does core6k cover all N3 vocab?
Do I need to study vocab if I already did core6k? For the exam I mean

>> No.22010754

>>22010447
good I'm not the only one

>> No.22010766

>>22010447
VNs are shit. They are the lowest effort medium.
Manga and Anime take so much more to complete, therefore they are better.

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>>22010766

>> No.22010786 [DELETED] 

>>22010615


there are one word sentences in japanese where the rest of the sentence is implied

>> No.22010787

>>22010766
Lowest effort medium is LNs.

VNs are several times longer. You have to plan the story out along multiple routes and design a system whereby player choices effect the course of the story. There are tons of CGs and character sprites to draw, not to mention backgrounds.

With LNs, you write something a fifth of the length and throw in a few anime-style sketches along the way and you're done.

>> No.22010834

would you rather be fat and know japanese at a near native level, able to easily read whatever you want, or be slim but have your brain permanently crippled so you can never learn japanese past N4 level?

>> No.22010836

>>22010834
I can lose weight easy, so yes easily the fat choice. You can lose 100 pounds per month if you got the will.

>> No.22010837

>>22010834
what if youre fat would you be even fatter

>> No.22010839

>>22010787
yeah, I guess, but nobody reads LNs anyway.

>> No.22010841

>>22010674
which OS?

>> No.22010842

If you're fat you'll be forever shunned by Japanese society.

>> No.22010846

>>22010842
ur not trying to learn nihongo to be a part of japanese society are u lmfao

>> No.22010847

>>22010836
i mean permanently fat
>>22010837
hmm perhaps you'd just have to stay fat forever
>>22010842
who cares about society as a whole, it's all about finding a group of individuals that accepts you. watanabe naomi is living the life as a fatty

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>>22010842
are you sure?

cause they love this bitch

>> No.22010853

>>22010850
we mentioned the same person woah

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lmao this dude needs a cup of tea and a biscuit so badly

>> No.22010878

can someone explain the practical difference, if any, between finishing a VN versus reading 20% of 5 different VNs, assuming the same number of characters read in both cases? what difference would this make in one's language acquisition? i can't think of a single one. the latter might even be better due to exposing you to more writing styles and more varied vocabulary

>> No.22010893

>>22010878
meh who cares just tell people what you want to, like me

>> No.22010898

>>22010865
the colored chalk really makes that blackboard look even more childish than the pentagram
why do u have the window so fUCKING BIG

>> No.22010903

>>22010878
I would say the former is potentially much more enjoyable. Also, sometimes language gets more complicated in later stages of VN.

Why would you read 20% of 5 different VNs rather than pick something shorter you can finish in reasonable time?

>> No.22010911

>>22010878
90% of the words in a book are in the first 20 pages, VN's are probably simular, so sticking with one is probably the way to go desu.

>> No.22010971

>>22010426
RTK has been very helpful for me

>> No.22010979

>>22010615
yes. you just need a clause or even a smaller bit of info like 俺の妹, basically something longer than one word

>> No.22010991

>>22010878
The first parts of a book or LN are the easiest because the story hasn't really started happening, it's mostly introducing the scene and characters. If you finish a VN (or anything) then you see how the elements tie together. It's more complex to follow a narrative.

>> No.22011050

>>22010706
Anyone?

>> No.22011076

>>22010898
some men just have bigger windows. no need for you to feel ashamed about it.

>> No.22011177

>>22010850
>>22010847
They think she's funny because she's fat, not because she's actually funny.

>> No.22011180

How do I go from only comprehending single words to actually comprehending whole sentences.
Don't get me wrong I can understand small simple sentences just fine, but if I hear a longer sentence I just tend to understand single words.
Is it because I don't do sentence cards, but only single word cards?
or do I just need to listen more?

>> No.22011189

>>22011177
so what about all the other fat people they hate and ignore?

>> No.22011211

>>22011180
im in a similar boat and i doubt there's much to do other than just get more input until it eventually goes away. dont see how anything else could solve it.

>> No.22011229

>>22011180
>>22011211
words to chunks to sentences, this is how all languages break down. everytime you read something, string two to four words together and see if you can understand that set of words as a collective. then move on to the next chunk. every long sentence is just a bunch of chunks strung together

>> No.22011239

>>22011180
understanding the simpler sentences is whats helping you
with more exposure youll be picking out bigger parts of long sentences and fast speech
i think the variety of hearing a lot of different but similar sentences is important so just listen more

>> No.22011258

ive decided to improve my anime cards by not adding the sentence text since im listening to the audio and not reading it anyway. saves 5 seconds

>> No.22011264

>>22011258
if i did anime cards id do this and also skip the screenshot

>> No.22011483

>>22011264
They'd then just be audio context cards.

>> No.22011520

>>22011483
sure
qms making anime cards out of video games and still calls them anime cards so call it whatever you want

>> No.22011522

tfw no japanese gf to make anime cards out of the sentences she says

>> No.22011532

tfw no japanese gf to do a haurhi impression all day for my immersion

>> No.22011543

Can anybody here help me guess if ようする in this context "ようするにSOS団の団長と読書係が文武そろってワンツーフィニッシュを決めるという" is supposed to be 様する, 用する, 要する, or 擁する?

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>>22011543
why dont you just use a dictionary instead of guessing?

>> No.22011651

>>22011543
if you got problems with yousuruni, what's left for the rest of that sentence?

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I have a question
If i know you and where you work, you present me a friend is it ok to ask him
アノンさん も 4chanしゃいん ですか。
As in, are you an employee of 4chan too?

>> No.22011691

>play an easy VN with textractor and yomichan
>have to hover over words every other line
>99% of them have a vn freq over 1250
fuck

>> No.22011695

>>22011691
welcome to the suck nigga enjoy ur stay

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I always wondered, a lot of anons recommend making cards from animes or VN, doesn't that end up in you talking like cartoons?
A lot of anime characters repeat desu, desu wa, kana, etc every sentence, over the long run doesn't that ruin your speech.
When i was learning Portuguese i consumed a lot of cartoons and stuff , this ended up in people telling me i 'sound like a cartoon'

>> No.22011702

Here's a second request.
In the sentence "さすがに駅から自宅までの道のりで変なものに出くわしたりはせんだろう。", what does "はせん" mean? Is it は+せん (which ever one of the readings for せん) it be, or is it 破線 or 波線?
>>22011651
Everything else I understand perfectly.

>> No.22011712

>>22011698
>this ended up in people telling me i 'sound like a cartoon'
Latin American Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese dubs use "neutral" language that most people in every country (Spanish) or region (Portuguese) will understand, and nobody actually uses in their daily lives. It's not really comparable.

>> No.22011719

>>22011698
Compare the way people speak in anime vs in Youtube videos of normal people. It's not really that different. If you know one, you'll understand the other. Unless you're purposefully trying to imitate an anime character, you won't actually act like one any more than you'd be acting like your normal self.

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what's the middle row supposed to mean?

>> No.22011724

>>22011719
>you won't actually act like one any more than you'd be acting like your normal self.
this doesnt take weaboo autism into account though

>> No.22011725

>>22011698
>animes

>> No.22011748

>>22011702
you probably don't understand everything perfectly if you can't figure out the answer to these questions from context

>> No.22011754

>>22011725
アニメたち

>> No.22011757

>>22011721
失恋

>> No.22011760

>>22011670
I'd ask "お前は4chanの社長のベニスも吸わせる?

>> No.22011765

>>22011757
ohh that makes sense

>> No.22011766

hayai guy does speak like an anime character when he writes japanese and it is cringey so maybe it's true. although he doesn't actually write most of his sentences himself, he just copies sentences from his anki cards and builds from them

>> No.22011776

>watch anime and assume real people don't sound anywhere as retarded as this
>say anything at all to an actual japanese person
>ええええええええええええええええ

>> No.22011777

>>22011766
Part of the reason why he talks like an anime character is because he consciously tries to imitate one. The other part is because he probably doesn't have a lot of models of Japanese outside of anime, video games, or visual novels.

>> No.22011786

>>22011748
I think you're strongly underestimating the importance of knowing the parts to know the whole.

>> No.22011794

i highly dobut he has visual game role models as hes never even finished a single 1

>> No.22011797

speaking like an anime character basically means 'being too direct' or 'being too arrogant'. noone actually speaks like that because japanese people are generally reserved while anime characters are the opposite. if you are aware of that then the actual forms of speech are not different to the way japanese people speak.

>> No.22011807

>>22011797
normally but then u read hayai guys posts and its a whole nother level

>> No.22011808

>>22011807
yeah but that's because he literally just copies lines of dialogue from his anki card whenever he wants to say a certain thing

>> No.22011810

>>22011808
yah thats why its so bad u can tell hes cutting directly from logh lmao

>> No.22011818

like i cant think of any1 else who is a better example to point to when it comes to the dont talk like the anime advice i give than hayai guy

>> No.22011839

>>22011818
i wish i could have a recording of the first time he tries talking to a bunch of japs irl like matt's attempt im sure it would be funny as fuck lol

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Uh oh.

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anyone know how i can view the dojg part of itazuraneko offline? wont have internet for the next week or so. I tried using webcopy but the index got fucked up like this so its useless

>> No.22011865

>>22011862
buy the books

>> No.22011874
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almost half a year since i started being a committed anki drone. no regrets i must say.

>> No.22011875

>>22011865
i can just download the books but being able to ctrl+f the webpage is a lot easier

though now that i think about it i can just search for stuff in the dojg anki deck

>> No.22011905

>>22011862
Go to the core6000.neocities.org website, download the DoJG page as an html file.

>> No.22011920

>>22011874
Which deck have you been using? Or is it a custom one

>> No.22011933

>>22011920
just my own vocab mining deck, mainly context vocab cards but some 'anime cards'

>> No.22011937
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>>22011905
it doesn't let me expand each grammar point to show the example sentences and stuff when i download the html file. but the dojg anki deck has all this shit so i'll just use that

>> No.22011941

why would u do any of that shit instead of just acquire japanese haha

>> No.22011955

>目下 めした subordinate
>目下 もっか now
garbage

>> No.22011963

>>22011955
what is your problem

>> No.22011966

>うんこ poop
>おしっこ pee
garbage

>> No.22011972

>>22011963
that there's two readings for the same kanji that mean completely different things

>> No.22011976

なんで倒れてて記憶だけ飛んでるんだろう

the concept of what i think is memory lapsing being described as memory flying/leaping is throwing me off bros.

>> No.22011980

>>22011972
if you've got an issue with that you're gonna have real bad time with this language

>> No.22011984

上下
garbage

>> No.22011990

>>22011955
jisho.org/search/上

>> No.22011992

>>22011976
the sooner u realize japan is a island of cave savages the sooner u accept that everything is described like that

>> No.22011993

>>22011980
>>22011990
it doesn't happen that often though? i mean sure some things may be read differently but they usually still mean the same thing

>> No.22011996

>>22011972

>> No.22012007

>>22011980
give me other two-character words where this applies

>> No.22012008

>there was a tear in his eye
>there was a tear in his jacket
garbage

>> No.22012010

>>22012008
english has a lot less of this than japanese though

>> No.22012011

>>22012007
上下

>> No.22012012

>>22012007
一日

>> No.22012015

>>22012008
わたしわゲイ

>> No.22012019

Is there any difference between なにか なんだ and なんだか?

>> No.22012027

>>22012019
yes

>> No.22012029

>>22012011
the two readings still express the same idea there though

>>22012012
this i'll concede, though the meanings are still relatively close

>> No.22012032

>>22012007
御供
仮名
一分
五分
十分
四国
一行
二歩
二女
二男
工夫
末期
利益
大勢
後手
銀杏
分別
文言
施行
施工
図画
工場
自重
心中
町中
下足
競売
入水
追従
金星
金色
何故
兄弟
姉妹
姉弟
兄妹
父娘
家探し
家主

>> No.22012038

>>22012032
btfo

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>> No.22012048

for IMEs is there a quick way to only convert a desired word to katakana or does the IME have to be smart enough to know which word you want turned into katakana through the dropdown suggestion thingy? otherwise i have to enable and disable the IME via a hotkey to type katakana mid sentence. and it's kind of annoying.

>> No.22012051

>>22012048
ctrl+i

>> No.22012056

>>22012048
f7

>> No.22012062

>>22012051
>>22012056
that converts the whole sentence unless i disable and reenable the IME.

>> No.22012064

>>22012062
the fuck dude just press enter before typing the word you want in kana

>> No.22012068

>>22012062
i dont understand why you need to disable the IME? just press enter after the part you've written before the katakana to change the rest

>> No.22012073

>>22012064
>>22012068
TIL thanks

>> No.22012076

>>22012073
lmふぁお

>> No.22012079

>>22012043
wow what a cutie

>> No.22012081
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>> No.22012107

im the girl sayin fuinky

>> No.22012125

>>22012081
It's obviously フンニキ

>> No.22012126

play that fuinky music howaito boi

>> No.22012153

>>22012081
Had some kid tell me once that '習う' sounds like something an old person says and I should use '学ぶ' instead. What a little shit.

>> No.22012156

chocolate

>> No.22012168

i heard a dude say his age as just the number and i thought of davido kun lol

now that is permanently crippled

>> No.22012180

>>22012168
seems pretty common to me

>> No.22012187

>>22012180
no i mean im permanently crippled for thinkin of davido bc of the bad subs on that vid lol

>> No.22012197

i keep forgetting how to read the fucking kanji names that's it i'm keeping a text file for the readings of names for every story i read

>> No.22012199

>>22012010
English's pronunciation system is shit, since it takes many words from different languages with their original spellings, so you end up with words like "bourgeoisie" that nobody could reasonably get right on their first try, and spellings like fiancé and fiancée (or naïve - are there any other English words that use the "ï"?).

>> No.22012205

>>22012197
just anki it retard

>> No.22012210

>>22012197
I hate it when I encounter unfamiliar word, start looking it up and it turns out to be a name.

>> No.22012214

>>22012205
that's dumb as fuck i'm not wasting anki reps on random names until i get better.

>> No.22012218

>>22011875
There's a link on this page.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html

>> No.22012219

>>22012214
shut the fuck up retard

>> No.22012248

gonna have to echo that sentiment

>> No.22012299

just made a visual novel card.

>> No.22012306

>>22012299
Show us a streamable clip of one

>> No.22012314

imagine actually thinking I am copying anime dialogue for every Japanese post I make that’s just a delusion
I don’t care if you think I speak like an anime character though it’s often what I go for, you probably think that because I don’t mince my words and you got the idea (probably from retards like george) planted into you that if somebody doesn’t speak like a bitch it’s not real Japanese
listen, I don’t give a shit what somebody incapable of reading children’s games thinks dumbass losers I don’t ever plan on speaking to a fucking Jap irl

>> No.22012326

u dont mince ur words u just write a lot of them that i dont read

>> No.22012340

>>22012314
If somebody told you you could earn a safe million dollars or euros by pretending to talk like a polite Japanese person for 5 minutes, do you think you could do it?

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>>22012314
ur insecurity is particularly pungent in this post

>> No.22012347

>>22012340
yea surely I actually think I have a good grasp on polite language

>> No.22012353

would you rather someone say you sound like an anime character for talking too impolitely or that you sound like a girl for talking too politely

>> No.22012362

>>22012353
>caring what people think about u
sure is high school in here. grow a pair pussy.

>> No.22012370

well i sure wouldn't want people to think i care what they think about me...

>> No.22012379

>>22012353
what if I sound like a cute anime girl?

>> No.22012380

>>22012168
Now that I think about it, saying, "I'm twenty" instead of "I'm twenty years old" sounds pretty dumb, like claiming your identity is a number.
Let's take it a step further and claim that "I've been alive for 20 years." ought to be the only right way to say it.

>> No.22012404

>>22012306
https://streamable.com/vlsch

>> No.22012408

just made a jav card

>> No.22012411

>>22012408
Let's see what you've got

>> No.22012418

>>22012314
george is fluent though.

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What's the JLPT level in which you are capable of having a simple conversation or reading a light novel and not understanding because you dont understand the gramatical syntax

>> No.22012451

>>22012439
n1

>> No.22012462

>>22012439
reading a light novel and not understanding because you dont understand the gramatical syntax
i'd worry about your mastery of english syntax unless you're asking what jlpt level yo uneed to not be able to understand lns lol

>> No.22012483

>>22012107
なんちゅうファンキー

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>>22012462
Yeah, my bad, phoneposting, didn't realize.
I meant, when should i be capable of having a basic conversation that isn't just ending with です at the end.
The same with novels, i just dont understand the grammatical syntax, even i understand/search the invidual words,

>> No.22012510

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5t37q1neC4

is quiz better than this dude

>> No.22012540

>>22012510
if he knows he doesnt know japanese then hes ahead of qm

>> No.22012549

>>22012510
this reminds me of a friend that has the second best english exam ("first exam") and he asked me if there was a spanish translation for steins gate because he "forgot" how to read english
i was amazed

>> No.22012550

>>22012408
very based

>> No.22012570

>>22012549
>the second best english exam ("first exam")
what does that even mean lmao
dilo en español que no se te entiende un carajo

>> No.22012577

>>22012570
it's literally called first exam
what do you need to know

>> No.22012593

>>22012510
this guy already quit japanese and deleted his twitter

>> No.22012595

>>22012577
if you're talking about the cambridge "first" exam, it's actually the third "best" cambridge exam out of 4

>> No.22012607

>>22012593
but only after he got fluent using MIA™
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKs-NZvxa_Q

>> No.22012608

>>22012593
rip
just goes to show if u cripple urself its permanent

>> No.22012635

>>22012593
lmao rip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzkpVJUNaJg#t=249

>> No.22012638

>>22012607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKs-NZvxa_Q&t=343

>> No.22012642

>>22012638
this happens to everyone who gets good. they feel they have a long way to go. quiz feels that way too. but the reality is that they're all super high iq and fluent.

>> No.22012645

>>22012638
jumped the gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKs-NZvxa_Q&t=373

>> No.22012646

>>22012638
https://streamable.com/l6h0h

>> No.22012659

>>22012646
i wish i was as cool as マット

>> No.22012663

>>22012646
Doesn’t he know gaijin is an offensive word lmao.

>> No.22012677

dowmo koenichywuh super kakkoii guy matto dess

>> No.22012720

>>22012677
ナイス ダッブルス マオ 二ーガ

>> No.22012727

when will we get some mia exit videos
jeremy realized that working in japan hes gonna be just fine and that being a language learning eceleb is a shit idea and has left the cult
calvin has recognized that he has more important shit to sort out in his life but dreams of finding his place in the cult and finding an interest in a language one day
yoga has achieved the highly revered position of second in command and serves as lead tech officer of the cult and still immerses on weekends but can never find the same thrill that flash cards once gave him

>> No.22012744

matt doesnt even read the manga he just puts it on the wall

>> No.22012932

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWNhOGoOImA
This girls pretty good

>> No.22012969

>>22012932
cringe girl

>> No.22012979

>考える俺なんて 俺じゃねえ〜!
wtf yea that's what i'm saying.

>> No.22012982

>>22012593
Why'd he quit and delete his twitter?

>> No.22012988

>>22010841
either

>> No.22013030

>>22012932
yea well any time u spend watching real japanese person ur immediately doing a billion times better than watchign whatever white dude tellin u about spreadsheets or whatever these 2 retards are doing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgjPByUamFQ#t=1622

>> No.22013063

>>22011724
But if you're an autistic weeb you're likely going to talk like an anime character eventually, autistic people never talk perfectly naturally

>> No.22013078

>>22012720
>マオ 二ーガ
Is this supposed to be a katakana-ified transcription of "muh nigga"?

>> No.22013099

The opinion of someone who only knows as much as the average person can only sustain the status quo.

It can never inspire real change or truth, just attempt to tear it down.

>> No.22013112 [DELETED] 

poop and pee

>> No.22013121

>>22012032
Is this list inclusive?
Are there more words like this?

>> No.22013162

>>22013121
正気

>> No.22013188

>>22011858
>コンドーム
JSL detected

>> No.22013194

maybe it's because i can't understand shit but i can see episode 19 of demon slayer being considered good, but definitely not great. it had good art, animation, and music toward the end but the plot itself was medicore and boring.

maybe there's details revolving around what tanjiro remembered about his father and that "fire dance" that would make it better if i picked up on it. that's the most hyped an episode has been so i think all that can be expected from this series is quick pacing and good animation. it's definitely nowhere near the shounen greats yet.

>> No.22013197

you know shonens for little kids right? its in the name

>> No.22013199

>>22013197
yea but there's shounen that have arcs that i prefer above all other anime i've watched, but i haven't watched all of the anime greats yet so maybe that will change.

>> No.22013297

>>22011050
Core6k covers way more than enough for N3. You could probably aim for N2 vocabularywise.

>> No.22013357

https://twitter.com/miaharuya/status/1166323819893547010

this is starting to make me nervous. how is MIA generating all these dudes who are competent in japanese? has DJT been wrong all along?

>> No.22013400

>>22013357
I've said it before, but N1 in a year is possible and doesn't mean a whole lot, it's very likely this guy couldn't say a complete thought easily, and would have a hell of an accent.
Regardless, unless you're an actual NEET you won't have enough free time to do this. Even then, it requires dipping into diminishing returns real fucking hard.

>> No.22013401

>>22013188
You've detected yourself?

>> No.22013404

>>22013401
LMAAAAAAOOOO

>> No.22013414

>>22013357
>>22013400
one year of mia, not one year of japanese study as a whole
n1 from zero in a year is impossible

>> No.22013417

>>22013357
Mia for a year, but what about before that? Lots of mia'ers are afraid of their 2 years before they started miaing

>> No.22013440

>>22013357
based i wonder if u could do it in 6 months with marys input approach

>> No.22013464

>>22010413
Is it better to learn each individual kanji and their readings, or to slowly pick them up through normal vocabulary?

>> No.22013468

i think this is the most effective way to learn kanji *whips out pecker*

>> No.22013473

u must place every chinese house in ur memory palace or as i call it my memory city

>> No.22013529

I finally found a bigger dekinai than me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6bl7lk5dio

>> No.22013582

>>22013414
If you believe Chomsky or any of the other innatists, there's no "starting from zero" because everybody has inherent language learning ability, even if not everybody accomplishes that goal (mostly because of motivation issues).

>> No.22013594

>Chomsky
don't give a fuck what that stupid ass commie says

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>>22013582
this is technically a misunderstanding of Chomsky but it aligns with his views and he would agree with it so I'll let it slide

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22013618

I can perfectly remember a set of 100 words from anki, from JPN-> ENG but i cannot really make it the other way around
Example when i read ざくせい i can remember student, but when i want to translate student to がくせい I don't remember it.
Any tips on getting both sides?

>> No.22013625

>>22013618
why the fuck would you want to do that

>> No.22013636

>>22013582
not the point
"from zero" in this case just means not having actively studied japanese before

>> No.22013639

>>22013618
never translate from your native tongue to another one

>> No.22013648

>>22013639
I speak 3 languages and i am learning jp, i can translate between all 3 no problem, and most of my learning came from being able to translate meanings both ways, why is japanese different?

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>>22013648
lemme guess those languages are all european

>> No.22013651

>>22013618
it'll come automatically once you've consumed enough japanese

>> No.22013659

>>22013650
Spanish, Portuguese, English and a little italian
Not European tho

>> No.22013663

>>22013595
What game is this?

>> No.22013668

>>22013529
nice thats like 10 mins of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7TDpqCCpO4#t=18

>> No.22013671

>>22013659
damn those are even more closely related than i thought. yea don't learn japanese that way

>> No.22013672

>>22013663
thats canvas2 dude 1 of the greats

>> No.22013675

>>22013663
I c, it's Canvas 2

>> No.22013687

>>22013668
this is a real slapper

>> No.22013697

>>22013668
i'm getting crippled

>> No.22013701

>>22013297
Thanks
I thought I could take on N2 but decided to opt for the chill N3 route instead of stressing myself to cram stuff in 2 months
I guess the only thing for me now is to practice listening for N3
Any advice? I know watching anime and youtube shit helps but how to prepare specifically for jlpt?

>> No.22013711

>>22013687
>>22013697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCCVHyAaKlM#t=39

ive been lollin at this shit for a decade it never gets old for me

>> No.22013713

>>22013618
after enough exposure to the word being used in actual language it will come to you when you think of the concept whether it was prompted by an english word or not

>> No.22013720

thoughts on learning arabic? seems africa is the only continent i have no language skills in, besides those english speaking niggas

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>watashi no jitensha wa nusumu
jamal on suicide watch LOL

>> No.22013725

>>22013720
It's shit.
t. got compulsory arabic education in high school

>> No.22013728

>>22013725
wtf where did u grow up, a wahabi terrorist training camp?

>> No.22013734

>>22013711
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCCVHyAaKlM&t=100
https://soundcloud.com/nichibeihiphop/mouri-motonari

>> No.22013735

>>22013711
微妙に悪くないとこがムカつくわ

>> No.22013738

>>22013724
jesus christ
imagine speaking with such authority while being complete shit

>> No.22013739

>>22013728
No. Iran
But I can see why you might think that way
There is literally nothing interesting to read in arabic unless you want to convert to islam (don't)

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>>22013728
>wtf where did u grow up, a wahabi terrorist training camp?
Not that poster but i got it too, i went to an arabic community school because i got a scholarship, didn't enjoy the language because the only things i was allowed to read where religious texts, and i didnt really like their religion

>> No.22013745

>>22013724
ga nusumareta???

>> No.22013747

>>22013734
some things never change dude

>> No.22013748

>>22013738
yeah, imagine a thread full of such people lol

surely it couldnt exit right

>> No.22013753

>>22013724
why did u ping me for this

>> No.22013758

>>22013720
google "more books translated spain than arab"

>> No.22013759

>>22013753
he might as well be a disciple of yours given his 15 years of subbed anime experience

>> No.22013760

>>22013464
The latter. Kanji are much easier to learn the better you are at Japanese.

Trying to memorize them all right from the beginning, while possible, is extremely tedious and pretty much necessitates the use of memory hacks (mnemonics) to give you any hope of making them actually stick in your memory past the short term. Rote from scratch is all but impossible.

It's also worth keeping in mind that taking kanji on from the beginning can delay your start in the language by as long as half a year (possibly even longer, depending how slow you go), and it's very doubtful that you will end up later down the line learning Japanese 6 months faster to compensate for that investment.

>> No.22013763

>>22013759
dont associate him with me just cuz hes watched anime a lot

>> No.22013767

>>22013759
sam harris? stfu

>> No.22013769

>>22013763
thats all your method is comprised of though

>> No.22013774

>>22013767
whoops respond to wrong man

>> No.22013777

>>22013769
? i dont have a method and if i did it would be start with anime then do literally everything else as u become interested

>> No.22013778

>>22013760
>It's also worth keeping in mind that taking kanji on from the beginning can delay your start in the language by as long as half a year
My teacher suggested this,but didn't understand why, care to explain?

>> No.22013782

>>22013777
nah
>>22013767
what does that autistic jew have to do with anything lol

>> No.22013785

>>22013782
why r u nahing me ?

>> No.22013793

>>22013785
cause youre full of more shit than the septic tank at my country house

>> No.22013797

>>22013793
stfu

>> No.22013798

>>22013767
doesn't matter what he says retard. read the analyses of his statement that pop up.

>> No.22013799

>>22013793
but not more than ur posting

furthermore trips are seigi so u lost by default ggz

>> No.22013802

>>22013797
stfu retard
>>22013799
damn trips then dubs

>> No.22013806

>>22013798
>>22013802
don’t call me retard bitches

>> No.22013810

can all u lil punks stfu im gettign digits here

>> No.22013815

stfu guys or i'm not going to make a cool post that everyone can enjoy

>> No.22013816

https://youtu.be/vZa0Yh6e7dw?t=75

i'm learning japanese so i can understand this song

>> No.22013817

>>22013816
stfu retard

>> No.22013818

>>22013778
Most people who "learn" kanji* from the get-go do it in isolation before doing anything else because it is such a large task in and of itself.

The time you're spending "learning" kanji* is time you could be spending meaningfully interacting with the actual real language instead.

*what exactly constitutes having "learned" kanji is pretty vague and il-defined at best; arguably you can't really "learn" kanji themselves any more than you can "learn" a car

>> No.22013820

what a toxic thread

>> No.22013824

i came into the thread 10 minutes ago and already stank it up lol

>> No.22013825

>>22013816
that u moe?

>> No.22013835

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU-TnA29qb0

>> No.22013838

>tfw anime is dead
how do i cope with this feel

>> No.22013839

>>22013824
yoku decktah ne lol

>> No.22013847

>>22013838
you will be dead soon too, so there won't be much time for coping

>> No.22013853

>>22013847
i wish

>> No.22013856

even if anime goes downhill from here on out there are still hundreds if not thousands of great anime from 1980 to 2014 to watch and rewatch for thousands of hours so why does anyway complain about this

>> No.22013861

>>22013856
theres not that many good animes

>> No.22013863

>>22013853
anon pls there's a lot of people who love you

>> No.22013864

>>22013856
yea, it's kind of sad how much shit gets overlooked because they just keep going desu

>> No.22013867

2017 had some amazing shows, but there has only been a single good one in 2019 so far. I kind of forgot about 2018.

>> No.22013871

i started watchign kimetsu no yaiba but im super torn on it cuz its trash in a lot of ways but also good its like 1 of those shows where i have to regretfully come to terms with what anime is now

>> No.22013876

>>22013867
>2017 had some amazing shows
such as?
>>22013871
the animation is absolutely bonkers and it hits some of the shounen beats that im after but there are negatives as well. all in all its the best anime of the year lol

>> No.22013880

>>22013871
i like the animation and pacing. that's about it. i feel it suffers from the same problems bnha has except even worse.

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>>22012219
>>22012362
>>22013797
>>22013798
>>22013802
>>22013806
>>22013810
>>22013815
>>22013817
>>22013820
>>22013824
stfu

>> No.22013884

>>22013876
that one with the suffering

>> No.22013887

>>22013884
thats me when i try to watch any anime

>> No.22013891

>>22013876
>all in all its the best anime of the year
if golden wind doesn't have anything that beats episode 19 then that's sad.

>> No.22013900

>>22013887
ur aoty ?

>> No.22013905

>>22013900
i havent watched a single episode of an anime made this year

>> No.22013911

>>22013905
Kaguya sama ga kokuhakusaretai is cool

>> No.22013915

>>22013867
>2017 had some amazing shows
give me your recs i need something to watch

>> No.22013918

the last amazing anime to come out was shirobako and the last pretty good anime was flip flappers

>> No.22013930

rate matt's favorite anime from before he started hating anime
Evangelion
Cowboy Bebop
The Tatami Galaxy
Genshiken
Bakemonogatari
Hikaru no Go
Hunter x Hunter
Monster
Fate/Zero
Psycho Pass

>> No.22013932

>>22013918
The opening of ff gets me ready to fuck and the ending ready to protecc

>> No.22013936

>>22013930
Why do you keep bringing up people who post on youtube or wherever

>> No.22013937

>>22013930
why would he like any of those

>> No.22013938

>>22013930
ive only not seen hikaru no go the rest are really great anime

>> No.22013939

>>22013936
how many times does it need to be said that this is the eceleb thread? it's not a joke and if you dislike it then tough luck.

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>>22013936

>> No.22013943

>>22013942
>>22013939
based

>> No.22013945

>>22013930
havent seen most of these

>> No.22013946

>>22013942
What does %#39;e-celebs%#39; posting look like

>> No.22013948

>>22013739
Is Persian any good?

>> No.22013955

>>22013946
rate %#39;matts%#39; favorite vns from when he tried to like vns
steins gate
chaos child
muramasa

>> No.22013958

>>22013930
doke dokke anime king comin thru 2 pass jahgmento on this shit

extreme netflix zoomer pleb tier with some caveats

genshiken - its from a time and place he has no idea about i feel bad for som1 watching this in the postmortem of basically everything good

hikaru no go - pretty good and timeless if u watch it today is still real fuckin good but sadly the anime ends like shit but also i remember watchin this when it was airing and bein stoked for the new igo lessons every week at the end of the episode lol

>> No.22013960

>>22013955
he definitely didnt even read any of muramasa

>> No.22013964

>>22013861
yes there are ignoramus

>> No.22013965

>>22013946
ماذا اللعنة قلت للتو سخيف عن مات ، يا الكلبة قليلا؟ سأعلم أنك تخرجت من صفي في AJATT ، وشاركت في العديد من الغارات السرية على Duolingo ، ولقد تعلمت أكثر من 3000 بطاقة من بطاقات Anki. أنا متدرب على خدمة SRS وأنا من أكبر المعجبين بمشتركي مات.

>> No.22013968

>>22013960
u can use the qm argument he installed it so its the same

>> No.22013969

>>22013955
hayai guy tier

>> No.22013970

>>22013856
>1980 to 2014
this really was the golden age huh

>> No.22013973

>>22013965
If you don't read Japanese
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about matt, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in AJATT, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Duolingo, and I have over 3000 learned Anki cards. I am trained in SRS and I'm the top fan in Matt's subscribers.

>> No.22013974 [DELETED] 

>>22013965
i cant read ur fuckin sand nigger squiggles sorry

>>22013970
1980-2004 actually

>> No.22013976

anyone else interpret SRS as "sex reassignment surgery"?

>> No.22013978

how long do you think it takes the average nip to read a long VN? they work all day so they only get like 1-2 hours to read. must take ages

>> No.22013985

>>22013974
but 2005-2014 had haruhi, k-on, monogatari and ping pong the animation

>> No.22013986

>>22013978
almost as long as it takes me

>> No.22013992

>>22013974
whats your view of ttgl

>> No.22013995

>>22013985
ping pong is really good but the original movie did come out in early 2000s so it technically belongs to that so luckily were safe there and we dont have to associate it with that other putrid trash u posted

>>22013992
right place right time imagine watching it in 2019 lmfao

>> No.22013997

Can DJT be considered a language learning cult?

>> No.22014010

>>22013997
a cult needs a leader

>> No.22014021

>>22014010
Quizmaster, clearly. Jamal's has no ideology.

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>>22011862
Use this, it's a copy of that part of the site with links changed to work without the rest of the site. Open the dojgmain.html file in your web browser or mobile device.
https://mega.nz/#!a25wzIxL!NWztGuRWx1yXxytwZy4zEPto428ljY2wn6MLaTEen1Q

>> No.22014027

but u immediately made hayai guy second place to me

isnt that funny how it works

>> No.22014036

>>22013976
lol just just how ime is intermediate meditation education

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>> No.22014048

>>22014025
ty

>> No.22014050

>>22014027
Hayai guy is gonna make hayai site and that's what gonna make him the voice of DJT. I think.

>> No.22014053

>>22013997
no since djt is not a method it's a place

>> No.22014054

>>22014046
so cute

>> No.22014056

>>22014050
more of djt hates hayai guy than jamal though

>> No.22014057

Uhm, so guise, how2lern nihongo?

>> No.22014062

got in the minimum input i require for myself today so i'm gonna play some tf2.

>> No.22014063

>>22014062
thats the spirit

>> No.22014064

>>22014046
her arms are so skinny she need to eat man id feed her so much hamburg

>>22014050
idc about any of that

>> No.22014066

>>22014062
hope you did both reading and listening

>> No.22014069

>>22014062
i hope you have tf2 set to japanese at least

>> No.22014070

>>22014050
>>22014056
both of them are subhumans who have only made this thread worse with their presence
can't be a voice of anything if they've never made a positive contribution

>> No.22014073

>>22014063
i wish the eu4 manchu update would release.
>>22014066
did 2 hours of reading and at least an hour of listening, more if i count the times i paused and looked up words.
>>22014069
no.

>> No.22014076

why hasn't quizmaster called his cards hayai cards if they're main point is that theyre quick to make and quick to lead you to acquisition

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>>22014062

>> No.22014081

>>22014077
u mean im gonna make it ?

>> No.22014085

>>22014081
in a manner of speaking

>> No.22014089

>>22014036
wtf is that

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>>22014081
imagine this bitch standing atop a pile of bodies.

>> No.22014111

>>22014062
I bet i could destroy you in a scout 1v1

>> No.22014118

>>22014111
probably. my aim sucks so i usually have to play in an unorthodox way to catch the enemies off guard which usually works.

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>>22014099
sry dude that metas over

>> No.22014121

>>22014111
c u @ lan kiddo

>> No.22014124

>>22014089
the japanese keyboard

>> No.22014138

>>22014099
i always wondered how she got associated with japanese learning

>> No.22014144

>>22014138
I think she was on a banner from some Japanese learning websight that said 'You can't learn Japanese alone' or something like that

>> No.22014154

>>22014138
I believe she's from genki.

>> No.22014166

>>22013720
Many speak French. But also Arabic doesn't exist as a language, it's a collective of widely varied dialects that want to seem intelligible when they're not. The only standard Arabic isn't even used in daily life and is several times more complex than the everyday dialects. They were smart enough to have a universal standard but not smart enough to actually use it outside of the quran and news.

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>>22014154

>> No.22014171

before i didn't understand why you all hated r/LearnJapanese so much but now i get it. almost all the posts are retard-tier

>> No.22014177

>>22014168
its funny it says u cant learn japanese alone but then offers nothing to change that for u and instead asks for u to pay them money

>> No.22014188

>>22014144
>>22014154
i'm pretty sure she originated from a western "learn how to draw manga" book but i was how did the jump from "badly drawn anime girl" to "dekiru girl" happened

>> No.22014203

only dekinais use dictionaries

>> No.22014282

>>22014203
Jamal used a kanji dictionary back when he started reading. Now he's gay and listens to rap music.

>> No.22014300

only gays can learn japanese

>> No.22014309

what do u mean now

わたしはずっと前からゲイ

>> No.22014323

>羽
>羽根

>> No.22014338

>and rabbits

>> No.22014344

>>22014338
buddhism that's why

>> No.22014363

>>22014323
羽根 are the 根 of 翼.

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QUICK WHAT'S THE BEST BOOK TO LEARN HIRAGANA

>> No.22014414

>>22014405
any famicom game

>> No.22014415

>book
just use this shit
http://www.easyjapanese.org/write_hiragana.html

or tofugu if you need mnemonics and handholding

>> No.22014421

write all the kana 50 times in the notobooku and then play any famicom game

>> No.22014424

>>22014405
just do the kana flash game on the guide unlocking 1 row after you've gotten the last one 100% right. do that for 5 hours and you'll be safe

>> No.22014432

actually i just had a sick moment w. kimetsu no yaiba and now my major gripes are largely resolved if my internal fanfic is true

>> No.22014434

Just look at the Wikipedia chart for them once and read Yotubato, writing new words down on a notebook as you encounter them

>> No.22014508

im averaging one visual novel card every 1300 characters. at this rate i will be making at least 800 cards for this visual game.

>> No.22014516

why not write 800 characters of japanese detailing ur hot take on the game instead while making sure to mimic only known good japanese

>> No.22014524

need to find a japanese boy to taste my japanese before i consume it to make sure it's good

>> No.22014525

but if i posted that you'd just say "hOly shIT didnt read this"

>> No.22014542

feels good to know japanese

>> No.22014603

>>22014525
if u didnt try to reinvent the wheel and did what i said id prolly read it

>> No.22014606

do u think mutt understood the opening narration of tatami galaxy

>> No.22014612

i dont even remember it but im sure if its japanese he thinks he understands it

>> No.22014628

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2UKQ85d328
this is dope tbqh familia

>> No.22014654

Is it true that Jamal forever lost his potential to learn how to speak Japanese once he started outputting "私はゲイ"?

>> No.22014661

>>22014654
he never had any potential to begin with

>> No.22014671

>>22014661
he probably did, but it slowly decreased the more he came here to djt
that guy's got an iq of motherfucking 169.

>> No.22014682

>>22014671
and i own a billion dollars worth of procter and gamble shares and just busted a nut in miranda kerr

>> No.22014698

>>22014682
I'll believe the second part of what you said

>> No.22014716
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22014716

What is your short term goal?
Mine is understanding this song https://youtu.be/7J_oDG2FhCQ without looking at the lyrics

>> No.22014749

i'm gonna generate a word frequency list for the next vn/ln i read. i won't mine those words right away. i'll wait until i start encountering them. but i'll know what's appropriate to mine and what would be largely a waste of time. if it's not frequent according to the list, then i shouldn't mine it, because i'm a slower reader and won't encounter the rarer words often enough to retain it through reading or retain it through anki once intervals are long enough. anki haters have no argument against this.

>> No.22014755

>>22014749
why do you need to mine words you're going to see multiple times? those are the ones that are easy to remember

>> No.22014762

>>22014755
read more guys insist on this but it's almost never the case for me.

>> No.22014772

>>22014749
If you can't remember a word solely through frequent exposure, it's not worth remembering at all.

>> No.22014774

>>22014682
u aint the only 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vy4-FF71o

>> No.22014775

>>22014772
yea i wish it worked that way but i know from experience it doesn't.

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22014778

wish my daily anki reviews would go down but im not willing to lower my new cards per day so ill just have to put up with it.

>> No.22014782

>>22014716
>What is your short term goal?
Finish the main route of Leyline which should happen in the next couple weeks. Then I'll look into some LNs that are considered reasonably difficult but not super difficult. I think The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya fits the bill because I heard something about it having run-on sentences that I'll get lost in if my grammar isn't great (which it isn't), but someone correct me if I'm wrong. Once I finish that, I feel the largest hurdles will be behind me and the rest will come down to endurance.

>> No.22014783

>read VN
>encounter new word
>look it up
>instantly forget it
>encounter the same word again a couple of minutes later
>look it up again
>forget it again
>repeat

this is happening to me, that's why I need to mine them.

>> No.22014785

>>22014778
how much time do you spend on anki per day and how much do you read/listen?

>> No.22014791

>>22014783
same here, dont think ive ever remembered a single word just by seeing it multiple times in context lol

>> No.22014792

Imagine gains you'd get if you cut out things like eating and sleep.

>> No.22014794

>>22014791
yea but if you run into a word that you've been doing for the past week in anki that shit sticks a lifetime

>> No.22014796
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>>22014785
i try to read at least 40k characters a day (today was 63k) and watch 2-3 episodes of unsubbed anime before bed

>> No.22014805

>>22014782
The vocabulary used in Haruhi is, for the most part, not very high level, even though the sentences are quite long, so unless you're willing to re-read long sentences twice or even thrice, I'm not sure you'll feel too comfortable reading it, even if it's not exactly hard to understand (unlike real literature).

>> No.22014809

imagine gains ud get if u https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45Ekd6KKXpg#t=16

>> No.22014812

>>22014805
>even if it's not exactly hard to understand (unlike real literature).
I've heard light novels and novels are largely the same in terms of difficult but that novels are just written in a different style.

>> No.22014832

>>22014812
They're about the same in terms of vocabulary level, even though you need to have a much better grasp of figurative language and roundabout forms of description to be able to understand literature, whereas light novels are pretty much manga with descriptions instead pictures.

>> No.22014852

>>22013414
In 3 months I went from knowing no English whatsoever to B2 at CEFR.
I was a neet that would literally waste the entire day reading texts in English tho. I don't have that kind of time anymore.

>> No.22014856

>>22014852
Is your first language close to English?

>> No.22014885

https://youtu.be/IzNiFmJyTOg?t=23

what anime have you guys mined the most?

>> No.22014892

>>22014885
None. I've only ever mined light novels and visual novels.

>> No.22014902

>>22014856
Portuguese has some similar words (meme Latin words that ended everywhere), but things like tenses, modes, etc work pretty differently. The phonetics are very different too.
My biggest problem was with sentence subjects tho, in Portuguese you just drop the subject if it can be inferred from context, but English obviously works differently.

>> No.22014905

>>22014885
his answer to the second question says a lot about why matt is a true dekinai at life lol

>> No.22014917

https://youtu.be/IzNiFmJyTOg?t=255

LMAO GRAND PRICKS

>> No.22014919

>>22014917
thanks for the laugh man it reminds me of when my brother pronounced it the same way when we were kids.

>> No.22014920

>grand pricks
b-but matt has a high iq guys...

>> No.22014923

>>22014885
Naruto, but then I stopped mining.

>> No.22014938

>>22014917
oh yea why didn't you link the part where he compliments the owner of the site we all love and cherish?

>> No.22014941

cant believe matt rags on anime for being immature but somehow thinks manzai is better

>> No.22014945

>>22014938
because he didnt say anything laughably dumb during that part except that hiroyuki isnt like a typical japanese person

>> No.22014948

>>22014941
It's because it's got "real Nihongo" spoken at a fast pace. If every anime was full of shitty voice acting and fast speaking, he'd still love watching anime.

>> No.22014949

I'm a little confused on the use of と in this sentence

昔の人は長生きできないのだろうか、と動物の血をのんだりそうしたそう。

A bunch of examples for the ~ないものだろうか grimmer point in the 日本語の森 video have this. Is it essentially saying that the 昔の人は長生きできないのだろうか is a common thought (vs a direct quote) that the second half of the sentence is in response to? I.e. "If you wonder why people in the past were unable to live along time, it's appears they drank the blood of animals."

>> No.22014959

>>22014949
whats the source of this sentence

>> No.22014962

>>22014959

It's just given in a vaccum as an example in this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Fe7NGUUKU&list=PLINFE8v4DOhtrXfxqPYmNy4P8iIyaRwmk&index=8&t=680s

>> No.22014974

>>22014962
not at your timestamp, nor is it listed anywhere else in the video. sure you didn't just imagine this?

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Can someone help me understand this sentence particularly the last line?

原因は僕らじゃない…
と思うだって僕らのする回数って
以前は週一であるか
ないかの大人しいもので

>> No.22014984

>>22014974

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Fe7NGUUKU&list=PLINFE8v4DOhtrXfxqPYmNy4P8iIyaRwmk&index=8&t=3958s

Whoops didn't realize the time stamp didn't get updated. It's sentence #2 here. I also was missing a も in my sentence.

Sentence #3 and #4 use と in a similar way that I don't understand.

>> No.22015003

>>22014984
昔の人は長生きできないのだろうか、と動物の血をのんだりそうしたそう。
this is your sentence

昔の人は長生きできないものだろうか、と動物の血を飲んだりしたそうだ
this is the sentence in the video. you fucked it up more than just "missing a も"

next time don't ask questions without writing the correct thing. anyway he literally tells you what the sentence means in the video and it's way off from your own weird guess. 'in ancient times it's said that people tried drinking blood and other things, thinking 'i wonder if it isn't possible to increase our lifespan'".

>> No.22015013

>>22014885
>>22014917
19:13
>I don't believe anyone was better than I was at 18 months, at 18 months
>I was younger than they were and for the first 18 months I was literally doing it 24/7 so it's hard for me to believe Khatz was better than me considering he was going to school and had part time jobs and I don't believe britvsjapan was better than me
>they were at the first peak of the dunning-kruger curve
>at 18 months you'll feel you can do stuff but it might not be satisfying. You'll often feel it'd be easier to understand this or that in English. You might feel that if you plateau at that level then there's no point in knowing Japanese because it'd just be easier to do the stuff you wanna do in English
Khatz and britvsjapan utterly BTFO.

>> No.22015023

>>22014983
they fuck a lot more than they used to

>> No.22015058

>>22015013
>at 18 months you'll feel you can do stuff but it might not be satisfying. You'll often feel it'd be easier to understand this or that in English. You might feel that if you plateau at that level then there's no point in knowing Japanese because it'd just be easier to do the stuff you wanna do in English
This is how I feel after 8 months of reading 1 hr per day on most days.

>> No.22015182

>>22014785
>>22014791
>>22014794
hell yeah, this is the truth. almost all the vocab i know like the back of my hand now came from mining, then repping, then seeing again in context, in that order
>>22014772
that’s bullshit lol
>>22014762
i think they just want everyone without a photographic memory like them (?) to never learn japanese
>>22014778
why not

>> No.22015188

>>22014524
lol wut

>> No.22015207

>>22015182
bro just like remember everything you see the first time you see it and never forget it so easy

>> No.22015287

>>22015182
its not bullshit i agree with it however kanji is the problem generally in these situations which kanji are not words they are not the word so important to make that distinction

>> No.22015316

visual novels... good.

>> No.22015374

>>22015316
theyre bad actually i just had to read a flashback of the MC being molested by his non blood related older sister when they were kids. cant believe yall recd me this

>> No.22015389

>>22012502
Reading a novel is a skill that takes 10 times longer to achieve than having a simple conversation. Start with kids books/Manga like yotsuba or doraemon

>> No.22015397

>>22015316
for me, it's light novels

>> No.22015400

>>22015389
That just means there's more potential learning in knowing how to read, understand, enjoy, emotionally react to a novel than there is in gluing a bunch of words you know together to try to express thoughts that might be very clear in your mind.

>> No.22015410

>>22015397
i like lns too just because it's much, MUCH easier to just grab a random one and try it out. half the time when i dl a vn i can't even be sure that it'll work out.

>> No.22015457

>>110895225
Did I cripple here myself by using ておく despite not understanding the complete nuances of it, or was it by trying to translate a shitty nu4chan meme phrase?

>> No.22015463

>>22015457
>>>/int/110895225
There it was.

>> No.22015487

>>22015463
>>22015457
avoid saying shit that sounds stupid and you'll be fine

>> No.22015519

starting to realize that i only recognize words particularly well in context and can't read them in a vacuum, not sure how to feel about this

>> No.22015534

>>22015519
Lots of people suffer from that too. I'm not sure if there's an official name for it, but it could be called context-dependent recognition.

>> No.22015552

>>22015534
>context-dependent recognition
It seems to be a heavily studied phenomenon in psychology. There's nothing really new or unique there.

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i'm too autistic for this shit, i'm getting kind of mad. this game's going to be all about "the people who are treating you like fucking trash are really just looking out for you so be grateful :)" isn't it.

>> No.22015641

Found a new Matt video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtNa7OfpurE

>> No.22015647

>>22015641
ive already seen this

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22015682

How’s my writing? I just started today (I know my a is jacked up)

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>>22015611
reread the intro scene to the game if u wanna know what the game is about

>> No.22015697

>>22015682
uh yeah looks great man (throws it in the trash w/o even looking at it)

>> No.22015703

Only wrote the Switch section today and it’s kind of short because it’s very similar to the video game section. Wish I wasn’t so lazy with the site. Could already be done.

>> No.22015709

>>22015682
lol this thread isnt for ppl who write に as しこ my dude djt is nOT the kiddie pool of the japanese learning community

>> No.22015711

>>22015703
stop posting here when i'm about to go to sleep dude i miss a ton of quizmaster action because of that

>> No.22015715

as for me this is a great time for hayai guy to post cuz no ones here and no one cares and i get to have all that shit miss me

>> No.22015717

>>22015711
I haven’t been posting a lot at all recently. Going to sleep myself soon so you won’t miss anything and I’m really nit in the mood to make a single long post

>> No.22015718

>>22015709
Imagine fronting like this at a Reddit repost

>> No.22015723

>>22015703
i got 1 final challenge for u quizmaster

read cross channel start to finish and give us a blog abt it

>>22015718
ky as usual my dude

>> No.22015726

>>22015723
Maybe next year

>> No.22015733

>>22015692
feels like i'll be making a mistake if i do that but it's prob not a bad idea at all, it took me a few hours to readjust my brain to this game's writing so i struggled w the first few scenes.

>> No.22015735

I’m actually kind of ill which is probably contributing to my lack of productivity

>> No.22015745

>>22015726
do it now its the most important thing u could be doing honestly

what are u doing that could possibly be better than reading cross channel and takin a spin on romeos epic ride

>>22015733
nah theres nothing in the intro scene that will ruin the epic win in fact if ur japanese is trash ur going to ruin the hallmark moments all on ur own

>>22015735
u dont say

>> No.22015754

>>22015745
my japanese isn't THAT bad :/ i picked a VN that seemed interesting, there's so much out there that its impossible to know where to start, if i'm ruining kamige for myself by reading while mediocre, etc so i decided not to worry and "just go for it"

>> No.22015759

i just encountered 行動を取る for the first time and spent a couple seconds thinking of what it probably means. it's funny i try to autistically analyze all this basic stuff i read because i don't listen to it and feel it. when i was a kid i never read or heard "take action" and tried to figure out its meaning. but i obviously people learn their L2 differently to an extent.

>> No.22015763

>>22015754
im not trying to dissuade u plz keep reading it its pretty good for biting off romeo

>> No.22015775

>>22015763
im gonna, i feel like if i could handle baldr sky i could handle this, but im still new so when i pick up a new piece of media it takes a while to adjust to it i guess
fwiw i am enjoying it so far.

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22015780

Quizmaster when he sees 祠

>> No.22015783

>>22015775
oh god its u im gonna have to wait like 3 months before u get to any of the parts worth nipahing about got dangit

>> No.22015787

>>22015780
wanna just stuff hayai guy in a hokora and drop it in a volcano

>> No.22015792

>>22015783
yep sorry lmfao
to be fair i finished the first chapter in like a day but at the same time im sure the rest are gonna be way longer. somebody dropped out of my life (not in a bad way) tho so i've had more time to read lately.

>> No.22015791

i cant wait for baller sky guys post in 3 months

"wait what did i miss something"

>> No.22015799

>>22015791
いじわる :/

>> No.22015806

>>22015799
うぐうううう

>> No.22015810

why does jamal know japanese still if he's bored by japanese stuff now

>> No.22015816

>>22015647
ok

>> No.22015817

shit just starts to suck when u get old and the only way u find joy is to shit on everything and reminisce about the good old shit

>> No.22015833

>>22015810
he's not, he listens to all sorts of shitty j-rap

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>>22014516
a picture is worth a thousand words and this picture was drawn by a native

>> No.22015852

>>22015843
its worth it but we aint bartering boyo

i like the idea tho

>> No.22015853

>>22015780
I’ve seen it like 20 more times since then so I know that word damn well now
just depends on what you input

>> No.22015980

i dont do cards if it isnt for JLPT N3-N1

because N4 and N5 i will learn on my own without any cards cause i will see those ones so much and if its not in JLPT i wont need to know it for now, maybe later on i will add more advanced words idk

>> No.22016041

>>22015682
すごーい

もっとみせて

>> No.22016045

>>22015980
What exactly is anyone here supposed to take away from your post?

>> No.22016064

>>22016045
my way of doing things is of pretty high intellect and well reasoned so they should follow my lead

>> No.22016065

>>22016045
that applies to 80% of posts here

>> No.22016196

So lucky Japanese doesn't have aspect like Russian. I hated Russian because you don't know if a verb is imperfect or perfect and will just misuse/misunderstand it 90% of the time. The only good popup dictionaries that exist are for Japanese and English.

Japan>every other language (besides English)

>> No.22016218

>>22016196
for me it's spanish > italian > english > japanese >>>>>>>>> fuck eevrything else

>> No.22016256

did u know that i can actually understand most portuguese bcus of my knowledge in spanish... lol how do u bluepilled fucks think of that

>> No.22016265

>>22016256
yeah. same. but portuguese content is not that great so there's no point

>> No.22016287

>>22016256
Teu cu, venezuelano de merda. Vá pra puta que te pariu, arrombado do caralho. Eu vou te matar.

>> No.22016288 [DELETED] 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMHP8ZXvuMM [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_8YONoUqRw [Embed]
https://youtu.be/OSJQB3rSDNM [Embed]


sentence-mining these songs until i remember them

>> No.22016290

i hope you guys know 三宝

>> No.22016294

>>22010878
hayai guy desperately coping with his 100% drop rate of vns.

>> No.22016298

>>22016287
stfu jamal

>> No.22016303

did you take a moment today to sit/lay down and observe your own thoughts and impulses without judgement?

>> No.22016308

ill never 瞑想 my tomogaki (even though it did help me earlier in my life)

>> No.22016318

went to my university meditation club meeting earlier today :)

>> No.22016338

kankoku
chuugoku
nihon
igirisu
amerika

all the countries i know in japanese

>> No.22016349

i think germany is doitsu

it's probably katakana for deutsch

>> No.22016356

>>22016338
guess how you say spain

>> No.22016357

i looked up えいごならう to see what cute japanese girls are trying to learn english

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNwMMEGMnGA

>> No.22016361

>>22016349

oh yeah supein

i forgot. i know that one too

>> No.22016365

>>22016338
独逸

>> No.22016376

>>22016357

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8KqMBEwD7c

>> No.22016384

>>22016357
She wrote "naitive" on one of those insta videos, dekinai retard who can't spell 0/10 fraud

>> No.22016385

wtf. i installed a browser addon and yomichan was deleted. i have to redownload dictionaries and change the settings again.

>> No.22016402

>>22016376
I wish this retard would talk centered more, it's really distracting when it feels like one of my headphone drivers is busted

>> No.22016406

BAN
GER
TIME
LETS
GOOOOOOOO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Utuq5QY9dQ

>> No.22016408

tried playing my anime audio to my wireless earbuds today in class but the bluetooth wasnt connected so it played out loud and some girls snickered at me

>> No.22016411

>>22016408
the moment anon lost all of his nihongo gains

>> No.22016420

>>22016411
not actually though

>> No.22016429

>>22016408
based smart tech era

>> No.22016435

How good is Gaijin Goomba's Japanese?

>> No.22016451

>caring about what gaijin girls think
when you learn nihongo you don't need them anymore.

>> No.22016452

DJT needs more images. Not even 10% of the posts ITT have a picture accompanying them. Sad!

Someone become the new LitBus guy, only this time don't be a gaylord who drops what he's posting about after a week.

>> No.22016456

>>22016451
but im less attracted to asian women lol

>> No.22016514

>>22016456
I'm not talking 3D, dumbo

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>>22016452
I mean I'm playing through Filsnown, I could start dropping screens if you want it so bad

>> No.22016522

>>22016514
my dick get hard from catching the smell for 3D girl

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>>22016452
here's a picture.

>> No.22016536

>>22016522
this makes me wonder, when will we get smell creating devices for movies, anime, etc.. they should call it 4D or something, people would go crazy for it.

>> No.22016539

>>22016530
Asian women have fewer sweat glands and produce much less vile smelling sweat than white girls, so it's pretty obvious this dude never has touched a yellow girl otherwise he'd know their feet don't smell at all

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てめぇぇぇぇぇ!!!!!!!!!

>> No.22016548

to people watching anime with j-subs - do you just download a eng-subs version and then put the japanese subs in or try to find raw to download? is there any difference?

>> No.22016558

>>22016548
sometimes the eng-subs are hard-subbed, but if they're not it doesn't make a difference.

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22016559

These boys are pretty cute

>> No.22016566

>>22016558
thank you

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22016592

Hahah fucking OWNED

>> No.22016594

just one more thing i forgot to ask - when using video fluentcards it doesn't accept some video formats, so i tried to convert a video to ffmpeg using just ffmpeg -i but not only it was very slow but also produced a mp4 file that opened in video players normally but it showed just black screen with audio on the fluentcards site. are there some different options needed for it to convert properly?
this reads like it was copypasted from reddit but its not
>>22016592
holy shit that's brutal

>> No.22016600

どうもこんにちはマットです

>> No.22016604

>>22016600
more like ドウモコンニチハマットデス
foreigners btfo

>> No.22016616

漫画は既に壁に貼りました。

>> No.22016617

>>22016604
savage

>> No.22016619

>>22016616
eraierai

>> No.22016621
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Hopefully she's less useless now

>> No.22016641

>>22016621
Done for the night by the way, might post more screens tomorrow, who knows.

>> No.22016647

>>22016548
i use daiweeb, it's easier

>> No.22016668

How long do you spend on cards on anki? How long is it supposed to be?

>> No.22016706

>>22016668
I average 10 minutes, 15 if you include adding new cards.
"Supposed" is a pretty shaky term. If it's over half an hour you're getting inefficient since it's eating into big chunks where you could just be doing input. Realistically, it should be as long as you can tolerate, while keeping that balance.

>> No.22016716

Oh sick Misa finally uploaded the first absolute beginner video, I can finally start learning Japanese now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUymRdqBglo

>> No.22016719

>>22016716
stop posting misa on my nofap day

>> No.22016733

OH DUDE GENKI EDITION 3 IS COMING OUT NEXT YEAR I CAN FINALLY START LEARNING JAPANESE
http://genki.japantimes.co.jp/archives/3298

>> No.22016745

>>22016719
Imagine kissing her greasy fucking mouth and the next day your whole face is broken out in violent acne, every time you make a facial expression a new part of you bursts open

>> No.22016746

>>22016733
>Infomation: GENKI 3rd Edition
>Infomation
top kek

>> No.22016782

>>22016745
hot

>> No.22016785

>>22016719
nofap and learning japanese is impossible to do at the same time, you gotta give up on one of those.

>> No.22016798

>>22016785
>nofap day
>day

>> No.22016832

>>22016798
kek

>> No.22016844

>>22016716
misa says desu is a verb its official

>> No.22016909

Why would you watch a video where the person talks 90% English to learn Japanese?
That's a good way to always remain a dekinai.

>> No.22016914

>>22016909
Because you're an absolute beginner and don't know any grammar? Stop being retarded anon

>> No.22016931

>>22016914
I've been at it for almost 7 months and in all that time I've looked at grammar probably around 30 minutes in total.
If you're an ESL, I'm sure you've never looked at English grammar as well, have you?

Just look at this dude, he learned Arabic in 1 year without looking at any grammar. You learn grammar by just listening and reading, your brain will figure out the patterns itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=illApgaLgGA

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>> No.22016946

>>22016931
if ur point was that no one should watch grammar videos whyd u mislead by complaining about how the grammar video is done lol

>> No.22016952

>>22016594
I’ll tell you on my site

>> No.22016953

ドクターストーン

9話

すごいよかった

エジソンのおっさんはすごい

>> No.22016960

>>22016952
i've already figured it out, just googled a bit with different options and settled for this ffmpeg -i something.mkv -f mp4 -vcodec libx264 -preset fast -profile:v main -acodec aac something.mp4 -hide_banner
also didn't know you made something besides patreon, are you making a new cult or something?

>> No.22016973

>>22010413
What were the first things you read DJT?

>> No.22016975

>>22010706
You'll be fine if youre like 4k into it

>> No.22016979

>>22016973
よつばと! and random things in 電撃大王

>> No.22016981

>>22016973
yotubato
hanahira (dropped)
aku no hana
leyline (dropped)
sayas fuckin uta

>> No.22016997

>>22016960
you don't even need to change the codec except for audio to aac, the way you're doing it is much slower. if you just put the container into MP4 with aac it'll work 99% of the time unless you dled h265

>> No.22017003

>>22016973
yotsubato, dragon quest 8 and jjba

>> No.22017005

>>22016973
Dracu-Riot!
Satsukoi
Flyable Heart
Eden*
Leyline 1
Kanojo no Seiiki
Syukugar

>> No.22017019

>>22016960
https://pastebin.com/7itN9uA6
this is the script i use for fixing all the files in a folder that arent h265 and have dual audio track with japanese. you can just delete the -map stuff if there's only one track

>> No.22017020

>>22016973
Read a volume or two of each one: よつばと!, Sketchbook, ひだまりスケッチ
Then tried and finished はなひら in 4 days, took nearly 3 months to finish 2 routes of ななついろドロップス at a pace of less than 50 minutes per day, took another 2 months to finish 3 routes from サクラの詩 (even though I spent 10 days during the end of July where I was reading 3 hours per day, and had also been reading other stuff).
While going through that last visual novel, I read a volume each of キノの旅, おにあい, and 空ろの箱と零のマリア. None of them seemed like something I'd want to read a volume more of.
I also tried reading こころ, got 60/300 pages in or so, but got bored because I was advancing at an extremely slow pace, and already knew what it was about because I'd read a translation of it before I'd decided to learn Japanese.

>> No.22017023

>>22016997
>>22017019
thanks, i'll try using that

>> No.22017032

>>22017019
There are apparently things uglier than bash

>> No.22017083

>>22016960
just making a site where I show how to do anime cards, how to review them and why I think they are the best + some tips, tricks and opinions

>> No.22017190

>>22017083
wow nice, when will it be ready?

>> No.22017201

How do I get started on output?
I don't think I have the confidence to start chatting up with anyone yet. Is there a way to practice alone a little before finding a pen pal or whatever?

>> No.22017204

>>22017201
just accept the fact that you will never have japanese friends

>> No.22017208

>>22017204
How does that help me learn outputting japanese?

>> No.22017210

>>22017208
you'll never need to output

>> No.22017217

>>22017210
That's irrelevant. I want to output regardless of the needing to

>> No.22017224

>>22017217
Then talk to yourself or the fags on the /int/ djt thread.

>> No.22017241

>>22013464
Get an RTK anki deck, suspend every single card. Start reading as soon as you've finished a grammar guide, then unsuspend cards as you mine words that have those kanji.

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22017273

post ur ankis

>> No.22017275

>>22017241
>unsuspend cards as you mine words that have those kanji.
*unsuspend cards that have kanji that appear in words that you're mining.

>> No.22017285

>>22017273
*deleted*
I've gotten to the point of diminishing returns. Even if I made a card for something, it'd be a word so rare that I'd probably not see it often enough for me not to fail it.

>> No.22017304

>>22017285
wish i was at ur level

>> No.22017309

>>22017190
don’t know I’m lazy so it’ll be some time ahead

>> No.22017313

>>22017309
alright will look forward to it

>> No.22017390

What's a good VN that's got long-ass sentences?

>> No.22017414

Is N1gga level somewhere above N1 but below neiteibu?

>> No.22017422

>>22017390
Light novels, but you imagine the pictures in your head.

>> No.22017435

Made a python3 script that auto adds screenshots to your newest anki card.
Just run the script in the background and have ShareX or whatever save images into the IMG folder.

https://mega.nz/#!mQADDaQa!NH8ZVoyMUCmt72hYVepNV0fbalesMFvRRrpZyKAWxV4

>> No.22017472

>>22017422
Have you got any examples of one you've enjoyed?

>> No.22017473

>>22017435
thanks anon

>> No.22017498

>>22017472
I've been reading 本好きの下剋上 and it's pretty good. Isekai, but without even a tiny bit of wish fulfillment. Probably not everybodies cup of tea, though.

>> No.22017506

>>22017435
this is more like a bothersome gimmick
who wants to constantly start and close a python script when adding a screenshot doesn’t even take 1 second

>> No.22017539

>>22017506
No? You keep it running the whole time you're mining.
It detects any files in IMG, adds them to the field you set, deletes them, and waits for another one.

>> No.22017554

>>22017390
astelight

>> No.22017568
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22017568

If i want to ask if a wine is American, is this the correct way to ask?
このわいんはアメリカのです。
Is there even american wine?

>> No.22017579

>>22017568
I forgot to write wine as ワイン

>> No.22017596

>>22017568
stfu

>> No.22017612

>>22017568
アメリカのワインですか?

>> No.22017627

>>22017612

I was trying to practice これ、この、ここ but thanks

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>> No.22017667

>>22017627
crippled beginners actually enjoy practicing this babby tier shit instead of just getting a ton of input?

>> No.22017707

>>22017667
I did a test and i lacked a lot in actual writing composition.
I can read no problem these grammatical structures.

>> No.22017709

>>22017707
>I did a test and i lacked a lot in actual writing composition.
are you taking classes?

>> No.22017716

>>22017707
read better and more

>> No.22017717

>>22017707
matt was able to start speaking fluently after getting enough input. you haven't gotten enough.

>> No.22017727

>>22017717
>start speaking fluently
https://streamable.com/b6kya

>> No.22017734

>>22017707
ur english aint so hot either

>> No.22017797

>>22017568
このせかいにあいいがいにたたかうりゆうがあるだろうか

いやない

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>>22017709
Around 2 hrs a day + 3 hs of homework,spend the rest of the day either reading VNs and adding unknown words to Anki or repeating over listening exercises and trying to read faster.
Spend the rest of the day doing passive input on music or podcasts, trying to pickup words qnd grammatical structures
Also shitposting in /djt/.
Started taking this seriously about a month ago

>> No.22017820

>>22017812
if you're really serious you want to stop wasting your time doing 5 hours worth of useless class related shit and just read your VN for 5 hours instead

>> No.22017845

>>22017539
the point is people use the screenshot function for other things as well
and you need to run it every time you want to mine, close it every time you don’t
and there is no time saving happening really
because the screenshot takes 1 second

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>>22017820
I find it way easier to speak, for example i learned Portuguese in about 6 months by just living in Brazil.
Now, i cannot write a text in Portuguese , yet i am fluent in speaking,
I didn't want japanese to be another one of these languages that i can speak,yet not write.
I am starting from the writing up.

>> No.22017878

>>22017868
>for example i learned Portuguese in about 6 months by just living in Brazil.
>>22013650

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https://vocaroo.com/i/s0hRPMlfmGsq
even japs dont know when to use は and が smdh

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>>22017878
I am just going until i get up to JPLT5 and then i should be able to be more comfortable with the language itself.
As of now i can only read basic sentences and desu and desuka at the end.

I have good offers to work in japan (stayed there for 1 month and loved it) but the do need me to at least show a JLPT5 or JLPT4 to show that i am at least capable of communicating with coworkers

>> No.22017932

>>22017845
You do know you can just add a second keybind that saves to a specific folder, right?
It's in advanced overrides, under capture paths.

Dunno about the time saving part, switching windows to anki to paste annoyed me.
That's the only reason I made it.

>> No.22018022

>>22017868
All of the languages you mentioned that you mentioned are extremely closely related and have a high degree of mutual intelligibility by virtue of having a common vocabulary set derived from Latin. If you can't write Portuguese, it's probably because a) you've never practiced reading Portuguese, b) your Portuguese is barely beyond conversational level, c) your Portuguese is really just disguised English/Spanish/Italian, which is why you probably never learnt Portuguese (or other languages) properly in the first place.
>>22017918
Focus on being able to properly understand stuff like light novels, films, Youtube videos, etc. before you try speaking. Otherwise, how will a conversation be anything but you trying to glue words together to somehow communicate thoughts that might be clear to you but probably not to others, and then weakly attempting to interpret whatever other people are trying to talk to you about?

>> No.22018028

>>22017868
ull prob be able to learn to write a lot faster when u know japanese than when u dont
5 hours a day is a lot of time for that

>> No.22018033

>>22017568
I wouldn't ask that because who the fuck goes to Japan to talk about wine?

>> No.22018055

>>22017918
>I have good offers to work in japan
what type of work?

>> No.22018062

>>22017918
>As of now i can only read basic sentences and desu and desuka at the end.
n5 isn't much more than that lol

>> No.22018085

>>22018055
Software development
>>22018062
Yeah but at least i can show that as proof that language skill is at least something.
>>22018033
Just random sentences i made.
>>22018028
The thing is, what's the point of reading anything if i don't even understand the basic grammar. I want to be able to understand the structure on basic stuff

>> No.22018108

>>22018085
read tae kim

>> No.22018124

>>22018085
>Software development
How did you get such an offer?

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22018161

Is there hentai manga deck?

>> No.22018168

>>22018124
A lot of linkedin searching, there are a lot of startups willing to take people from the outside. And my country's relationship with japan makes it so it's easy as shit to get visa

>> No.22018171

>>22018161
Yes, vncore.

>> No.22018195

>>22018108
Tae Kim's problem is that he focuses so much on being easy to understand that he loses out on accuracy. Sakubi, Boiro, and even Ixrec are all better than his guide. Everything else can be learnt through sentence/vocabulary cards or just reading a lot.
>>22018161
no, but if you wanna make one, i wouldn't mind.

>> No.22018197

>>22016973
よつばと
a couple volumes from 絶対霊域、ふらいんぐうぃっち
サマポケ
and most importantly anime / drama subtitles!

>> No.22018205

can someone point out some inaccuracies in tae kim that will make you lose out on significant time later or something.

>> No.22018208

>>22018195
that's a good thing, you're not supposed to drill down and get all kuwashii with the grammar because the magic happens with reading

>> No.22018219

>>22018205
they can't even point out any inaccuracies

>> No.22018229

>>22018195
>Tae Kim's problem is that he focuses so much on being easy to understand that he loses out on accuracy.
If you ask me, he fails on both.

>> No.22018235

>>22018085
read (or watch) literally anything but tae kim

>> No.22018241

>>22018205
His explanations of は vs が, いう, ばかり, まま all feel somewhat inaccurate.

>> No.22018246

>>22018241
you have to actually say why or it doesn't count

>> No.22018248

wtf yesterday you fags told me tae kim was fine. i'm almost half way done with that shit!!

>> No.22018251

tae kim was a fine starting point for me. i didn't memorize his explanations. i just read flyable hearts and consulted his guide and other guides when i ran into stuff i had trouble with.

>> No.22018276

>>22018248
Don't worry about it. It's just the power posters circlejerking again. It goes through cycles. They used to harp harder on anki being bad and now they're slowly switching over to complaining about Tae Kim without explaining why. Grammar guides are just to help you get started with input, then the input will fill in the blanks and correct misconceptions. Their objections are mostly retarded.

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>>22018248
as a certified grammar expert i endorse tae kim as being fine

>> No.22018288

>>22018281
it's always based when people like you or quiz who demonstrate some sort of proficiency destroy the shitposters lol

>> No.22018305

>>22018248
it is fine don't listen to these retards, any commonly used beginner resource will do the job

>> No.22018314

>>22018248
I hate to spoil the surprise but you forget 90% of everything you learn, especially if the knowledge isn't contextual experience. That's why all those grammar guides should be used slowly or for reference purposes mostly. Reading half of Tae in a day is cool but patience, repetition, and consistency are the secret to language.

>> No.22018315

>>22018085
>what's the point of reading anything if i don't even understand the basic grammar.
u wont understand basic grammar until uve read a lot of japanese
theres a difference between memorizing a description of what somethin does and bein able to feel what its doin in a sentence
not sayin that readin about grammar is useless but u do it to clear things up that uve already got some exposure to not to prepare in advance
also not sayin u shouldnt skim tae kim or somethin just that u shouldnt try to memorize shit out of it

>> No.22018325

if you don't wait for the third edition of genki you are not going to make it

>> No.22018330

>>22018314
i didn't really read that much in day. i've been reading it slowly while just consuming the real shit

>> No.22018342

the best way is just to read through a grammar guide (tae kim is probably the most straightforward) so you have some kind of familiarity with the language and then just read a lot and look up shit as you encounter it. you're going to have to spend years learning this shit anyway so it doesnt matter what grammar guide you spent the first week of your journey reading

>> No.22018358

>>22018314
embrace that u wont remember 90% of it and get through it fast
then yeah u google the shit that forgot when u cant understand somethin which is how ur actually gonna learn but the initial read will prob give u an edge on findin word boundaries in all kana sentences so u can figure out what to google lol

>> No.22018364

>>22018342
There is no great way to start really. It just sucks arty the start. Everything is a mess. You must suffer for the first year. The second year is feeling way better but still sucks..

>> No.22018378

>>22018364
there might not be a great way to start but there's a h*ll of a lot of really bad ways to start like the guy above who spends 3 hours doing homework for his japanese classes. the 'great' way is merely the way that wont cripple you

>> No.22018415

>>22018378
Yeah. I think turning language into homework at all is cancer. Since a lot of what your doing is subconscious you legit could cripple your gains.

>> No.22018455

>引き金
>地獄耳
what where do these words come from

>> No.22018463

>>22018455
whats ur issue

>> No.22018480

>>22018463
nothing, i just feel like they have an interesting backstory

>> No.22018493

「この大会は、新しく再開したlimelightの店員さんの心のこもった手作りケーキの中でどれが最も美味しく、そして新しいかを競うものだ」
>そして新しいかを競うものだ
What does he mean with 新しいか?

>> No.22018510

>>22018246
Tae Kim introduces が by saying "It is also referred to as the subject particle but I hate that name since "subject" means something completely different in English grammar. Instead, I call it the identifier particle because the particle indicates that the speaker wants to identify something unspecified."
The problem with this explanation is that it fails to answer the question of what something unspecified could be, or who would make or leave something unspecified.
Let's compare this against Imabi's explanation for が and は:
"Ga が marks the subject—person/thing that performs an action (with verbs) or is what exhibits a certain state (with adjectives/adjectival nouns). By doing so, it is implied that the listener(s) are receiving new information, potentially even the speaker. Contrary to generic statements, it is the objective voice needed in making neutral statements as well as answering questions with the information the asker seeks.

Wa は, unlike ga が, is not a case particle. It is a special kind of particle called a bound particle: its purpose is lived out by the comment that follows, which means it is not restricted by what comes before it. Wa は is bound to the comment that follows. In return, the comment dictates the function of wa は. The only thing the listener can know is that wa は marks the topic of the discussion to come. Its motto is “I don’t know about other things, but as for X…”

>> No.22018515

>>22018493
「この大会は、新しく再開したlimelightの店員さんの心のこもった手作りケーキの中で"どれが最も美味しく(、そして)どれがもっとも新しいケーキか"を競うものだ」

>> No.22018518

>は vs が
literally nothing

>> No.22018519

>>22018480
引き金 = a piece of metal you pull = a trigger
i dont see whats interesting about this

>> No.22018529

>>22018515
I think I got it now, got confused because the first one didn't have a か

>> No.22018531

>>22018510
は vs が isn't something you can learn by reading any kind of explanation anyway and you will probably cripple yourself by trying to do so before knowing literally anything else about japanese. so tae kim wins here. try again

>> No.22018541

>>22018531
That's not an argument in favour of Tae Kim. That's in favour of "read more & ditch learning guides".

>> No.22018545

>>22018541
you said what he said was inaccurate, but your comment just says he doesn't go into enough detail. why don't you try again with a different grammar point that's actually worthwhile reading an explanation for

>> No.22018554

>>22018541
>That's in favour of "read more & ditch learning guides".
but that's also a counter to the sentiment that other grammar guides should be used instead of tae kim.

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who cares we can at least agree that RTK is a requirement

>> No.22018753

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HT3wB1J18k

>> No.22018764

>>22018740
do u think this guy made it or deleted his twitter and disappeared in shame

>> No.22018769

i want to become quizmaster's apprentice someday, but would probably need to start learning japanese first

>> No.22018772

prolly neither and just slowly but surely abandoned japanese and all his dreams that go along with it and became a npc

prolly at his 9-5 right now fixing the copy machine lol

>> No.22018775

>>22018769
i wanna join his discord and be friends but it's gonna take another year of learning until i get to a point where i'm semi comfortable doing that.

>> No.22018788

>>22018775
there are a lot of shitters in the discord dont worry. hayai guy is one of them.

>> No.22018801

luckily discord is a natural shitter containment area

>> No.22018806

>>22018775
join there's a couple of beginners over there

>> No.22018810

>>22018764
>furry
>accomplishing anything
pick one.

>> No.22018816

in the last several episodes of demon slayer w/ jap subs i've seen 絆 several times (but haven't heard it because my listening is trash and only certain words stand out to me) but i know i'll forget it if i don't mine it. but i can't make an anime card of it because i can only read the sentence, i can't hear it. i'm so fucked.

>> No.22018826

can u believe some kid is ruining kimetsu no yaiba for himself

>> No.22018829

>>22018810
i agree w. the sentiment but dont forget sonicfox exists

>> No.22018838

>>22018826
who

>> No.22018840

>>22018826
well idk if i'm ruining it for myself yet until i look back on it after i'm fluent and discover it's actually an incredibly gripping and deep story but so far it's just some good action mixed with some "feel bad about this flashback". i've already seen way better shows so i'm not worried about it.

>> No.22018864

>>22018816
time for some tf2 i think

>> No.22018869

>>22018840
its not but itd prob be a lot worse if u couldnt hear 絆 here just anime mine this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NasyGUeNMTs&t=8

>> No.22018875

>>22018840
what if i told u just the pure act of him carrying his dead oni imoto on his back is actually just 1 huge cope metaphor and at the end hes gonna come to accept shes fuckign dead just like the rest of em at the end in tearful fanfare

>> No.22018876

>>22018864
i will later today. long after i finish this boring episode about rui's backstory.

>> No.22018885

>>22018875
i guess that'd be a bit cooler than what it is now.

>> No.22018891

>>22018864
With subs
>メヂツクさんお願い助けて!

>> No.22018917

>>22018885
seems unlikely i have too much working against me for that scenario to play out but i still believe in the metaphor and then again he sliced the rock thinking he was training with dead kids so as a nakigamer i want to believe in my fanfic even though theres too many third parties that recognize the imotos existence which really is ruining everything for me and the fact this is anime in 2019 where nothing good will ever happen again

>> No.22018926

>>22018775
I'm lurking the discord just to read their autistic nonsense

>> No.22018942

After you watch Hunter x Hunter you're going to be underwhelmed by shonen like Kimetsu no Yaiba. Might as well get used to it.

>> No.22018944

>>22018926
you sound cool

>> No.22018955

>>22018942
yah i def felt this way after watchign hxh in 99/2k haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ngIcz9ru4

>> No.22018985

the dude who spared the sister protecting them from butterfly bitch was pretty cool.

>> No.22019060
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>>22018288
Matt's JCAT score is higher and he publicly humiliated Tae Kim on Twitter and also said in his videos that his example sentences are awkward and unnatural.

That guy is good in spite of Tae Kim's guide, not because of it. At the end of the day, you can use any grammar guide and in the long run it won't really matter, but that doesn't meant that some aren't better than others.

>> No.22019071

>>22019060
Why are you being misleading? Matt has said that Tae Kim has awkward sentences and the like but he also says it's "fine" and that if it weren't for the Tango decks he would still recommend it.

The greatest japanese learner in history endorses Tae Kim. Tae Kim haters BTFO.

>> No.22019080

>>22019060
whatd matt say to tae tae

>> No.22019081

>>22019071
>The greatest japanese learner in history
that's me (in the future)

>> No.22019107

>>22019060
quiet noob

>> No.22019113

>>22019071
>he also says it's "fine"
Saying something is "fine" hardly counts as an endorsement.
>if it weren't for the Tango decks he would still recommend it.
Translation: he does not recommend it. Id est, he does not endorse it.

Anyway, I doubt Matt has actually looked into any other beginner grammar resources. And since he used Tae Kim himself, of course that's what his fallback choice to tell people to use would be. He has no experience with anything else.

>> No.22019134

>>22019113
>Saying something is "fine" hardly counts as an endorsement.
He's aware of other grammar guides so it is an endorsement.
>Translation: he does not recommend it. Id est, he does not endorse it.
He recommends it over other grammar guides. He recommends the Tango decks over grammar guides.
>I doubt Matt has actually looked into any other beginner grammar resources.
Who knows. But even if that were true it shows how little it matters.

>> No.22019156

>>22019113
he recommended u mine tae kim for like a year and after looking at it his main reason for rescinding that was there were more sentences than he thought
are u really owning tk or are u owning matt

>> No.22019172
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22019172

So which guide should I use, give it to me straight.

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>>22019172
this one

>> No.22019211

https://streamable.com/lnwie

>> No.22019216

chiyo chan..ftw ?

>> No.22019219

>>22019172
Sakubi. It doesn't waste your time and it only uses sentences from native material instead of awkward sounding bullshit.

>> No.22019224

maybe u should just read boiro that ones real short

>> No.22019226

>>22019211
ブスむずカックサック

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>>22019172
Actually, follow these two
https://youtu.be/k0kU2cc85ZA?list=PLB3F2C5D8B5F81F34
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/vjg.html

>> No.22019239

>>22019224
>that ones real short
Just like him

>> No.22019243

you guys told me jp is hard, but i've been learning for a month and am already translating doujins

>> No.22019258

>>22019243
show the class

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its been a while since weve had some nice scanlations

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>>22019258
i've been learning for a week and translated this panel of some obscure doujin with shitty art

>> No.22019303

>>22019243
We didn't say it's hard. We've said it takes lots of time and effort.
Any dumbfuck can use a bilingual dictionary to translate h-manga, but it might not be as quick, precise, or smooth as what an experienced translator could attempt to do (which, yes, even a dumbfuck could become if given enough time).
Btw translating stuff doesn't make you better at processing language in a straightforward manner. It instead forces you to think in terms of equivalencies instead of true meaning, which makes lots of little linguistic details and nuances disappear.

>> No.22019310

https://hinative.com/ja/questions/1295334
lol

>> No.22019312

reminds me of the 転がるing of 玉s every time we talk about translating haha

>> No.22019319

>>22019243
-t Laruffii

>> No.22019325

>>22019310
whats funny

>> No.22019337

>2-10 hours
Gonna speedrun https://vndb.org/v14365 tomorrow. wish me luck

>> No.22019348

now that looks like some trash nukigame

>> No.22019372

When is 止める is read as とめる and when is it read as やめる?

>> No.22019384

>>22019372
oh man come on ask on reddit instead
if you want my advice: watch more j subtitled anime

>> No.22019389

>>22019372
車をとめる
その行為をやめる

>> No.22019393

>>22019384
I already have a hunch but still would prefer some solid confirmation

>>22019389
Seems about right

>> No.22019465

>>22011670
ye

>> No.22019472

>>22011712
It still makes you sound like a child or a cartoon.

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22019473

I was reading CLANNAD, and in the monologue the girl says この学校はすきですか。
Is it "this school, do i like it?
>>22019465
Thank

>> No.22019500

is it just me or does everyone who attaches an image to most of their posts seem to have major brain malfunction

>> No.22019503

the level of reddit shitter tier questions sure have increased I wonder if it’s just 1 newfriend asking them

>> No.22019509

>>22017568
このワインはアメリカのですか。

>> No.22019512

Have y'all niggas got sum good 1970s-80s anime recs?

>> No.22019518

>>22019512
dragon ball

>> No.22019522

>>22019512
gunbuster

>> No.22019528

>>22019512
nope but watch logh if you haven’t

>> No.22019535

>>22019503
better reddit shitter tier questions than your endless namefagging and eceleb shitposting desu
This was originally a general dedicated to learning the japanese language, not attentionwhore hangout

>> No.22019542

>>22019535
well it's not like that anymore so please go to /int/ if you want to ask dumb questions

>> No.22019548

>>22019518
>>22019522
>>22019528
I've already watched these 3. Maybe I should dig around on MAL for something more obscure.
>>22019535
Krashen solved all the problems of language learning back in the 1980s by saying it's all exposure and feels. The only usefulness you could get out of djt are LN, VN, or manga recs, as well as a periodical reminder that you suck (just like everyone else).

>> No.22019550

>>22019535
I don’t post about ecelebs much at all, sometimes just join in when others do and I’m certainly not an eceleb myself
as for learning Japanese, what’s the point of talking about it if you all will fail anyway
after I publish my site we really will have no reason to talk about Japanese whatsoever
I’m also still up to quiz if there is some new contenders

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>>22019548
>I've already watched...

>> No.22019557

>>22019473
whats ur problem

>> No.22019566

>>22019550
ill quiz u if we say the words out loud on voice chat while i stream it

>> No.22019570

>>22019566
matt wanted to vc while quizzing as well and it was awkward as fuck don’t think I’m up for part 2 of that

>> No.22019574

I can stream myself typing though if you are cool with that

>> No.22019575

>>22019384
その態度はないだろう

>> No.22019577 [DELETED] 

>>22019557
If it was a conversation between two people i would understand one asking the other is they like this school
But since is a monologue something like かな (i wonder) to be at the end.
Is like asking yourself if you like pizza

>> No.22019582

glad my brain functions well

>> No.22019583

>>22019577
i cant deal with esls sorry man

>> No.22019585

>>22019555
I've already done it.
>>22019570
That sounds kinda perverted (even if he didn't mean it in a bad way), so I can understand why you'd reject it.

>> No.22019587

>>22019555
manga suck ass compared to animation

>> No.22019589

>>22019557
If it was a conversation between two people i would understand one asking the other is they like this school
But since is a monologue Is like asking yourself if you like pizza
I would expect かな (i wonder) to be at the end.,

>> No.22019590

>>22019589
>>22019583

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>>22019587
wrong

>> No.22019598

>>22019589
why do you think its a monologue lol

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>>22019598
he prolly thinks of (2)

>> No.22019606

>>22019598
Because is the only character talking at the beginning, the only character in the screen

>> No.22019611

>>22019606
https://twitter.com/uver__infinity/status/985076584284483584
are you sure?

>> No.22019618

>>22019611
i really love the bqm of clannad

>> No.22019619

>>22019605
? what does this have to do with my post sir

>> No.22019630

>>22018740
I would say that RTK is incredibly boring, quite time consuming and easy to burn out on, so it's not really something you should recommend to every beginner. I am not saying that it cannot be helpful, but telling people that it's requirement and that you can't ever learn Japanese without doing RTK first sounds stupid to me.

>> No.22019636

reason #69 to watch 10000 hours of eng subbed anime before even thinking about reading

u wont even be able to tell whats going on in fuckign clannad even 1 min into it

>> No.22019645

>>22019636
idk man i think that guy is just retarded lol

>> No.22019649

>>22019611
I must have misunderstood it, thanks

>> No.22019657

>>22019618
its fuckin good

>> No.22019708

tfw too esl to write down my thoughts in an eloquent way

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>> No.22019718

わたしはゲイ

>> No.22019719

tfw too jsl to write anything but 私はゲイ

>> No.22019723

>>22019715
lawl

>> No.22019752

>>22019715
someone post this in /int/'s djt im rangebanned

>> No.22019763

>>22019752
i don't want you guys to know i'm german

>> No.22019779
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22019779

what did you guys use to learn hiragana? i'm watching youtube videos but it's not really sticking. how long should it take?

>> No.22019795

>>22019779
the kana practice tool in the guide
also keep in mind you only need to be able to recognize them and they'll solidify over time as you read more japanese

>> No.22019814

>>22019550
would you mind writing another long dramatic post abt how you're leaving djt forever or at least try to fix that crooked and mean attitude you have a little bit lol

>> No.22019815

not gonna say ur crippled based on just that but u need to square up

>> No.22019826

>>22019779
read more

>> No.22019841

>>22019779
Like 2 hours of realkana.
I'm amazed people need more than a day to get a grasp on kana.

>> No.22019843

>>22019779
It took me longer to learn hiragana and katakana than it did to learn the jouyou kanji, so don't worry. They'll somehow eventually stick after reading them and writing them down lots of times. Instead of focusing on trying to remember each one on its own, think of trying to remember words written in them. Write something down on a notebook and see if you can recall its meaning or pronunciation a week later.

>> No.22019854

>>22019779
took me a day of doing the kana flash game

>> No.22019885

god, I fucking hate dbz retards.

>> No.22019897

>>22019885
its the best shonen. hxh? lol

>> No.22019899

liquid are the biggest fucking chokers. fuck their incompetency is annoying.

>> No.22019907

>>22019899
?

>> No.22019909

>>22019897
DBZ is one of the worst. DB is merely OK.

>> No.22019925

>>22019897
hxh is a seinen.

>> No.22019931

>>22019925
whys the main character a little kid then

>> No.22019940

>>22019885
seething
>>22019925
no it isn't

>> No.22019944

https://twitter.com/NoMoreDaniels/status/1148741054109110272

is the japanese media a rightist mouthpiece? that would be a refreshing deviation from how it is in the west.

>> No.22019954

>>22019944
quiet nerd

>> No.22019959

>>22019954
please answer.

>> No.22019963
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22019963

Where do you guys watch japanese tv? I used aqstream but it seems to barely be working anymore. I have a VPN if that helps.

>> No.22019964

>>22019944
>HAY HAIZ WANNA TALK POLITICS
stfu noob

>> No.22019967

>>22019964
i told you to please answer man. PLEASE.

>> No.22019978

>>22019963
torrent from avistaz

>> No.22019997

>>22019967
Ask that question on Google in Japanese and see what Japanese people have to say about this kind of issues, instead of asking people who only interact with Japanese stuff through anime & eroge.

>> No.22019999

>>22019978
Doesn't Crunchyroll have original subs?
Also, Netflix let's you pick any combination of subs and audio you need, i was watching little witch academia like that

>> No.22020002

>>22019997
i can't and the perspective of western weaboos is more interesting than what bug people think.

>> No.22020028

>>22019978
send me over an invite bro

>> No.22020029

>>22020002
There's no point in asking us. It's like wondering "Is it raining right now in Central Africa?" and speculating about the possibility of it instead of picking a city on a map of Africa and googling "[city name] weather". Japanese people might be bugmen to you, but you're literally asking us about what these bugmen think about entertainment produced in their countries. We're not them. We're just outsiders.

>> No.22020041

>>22019779
>>22019843
>They'll somehow eventually stick after reading them and writing them down lots of times
this. write them down repeatedly. I also recommend mnemonics if it works for you. I used dr. moku hiragana/katakana mnemonics when I was starting out. You can always make up your own mnemonics if you're not satisfied with the ones currently available as well.
also start as early as possible with kanji, get the IPA Furigana addon/extension so you can start getting familiar with common kanji and i'm assuming you're gonna want to read manga with furigana in it as well.

>> No.22020042

>>22020029
>There's no point in asking us
speak for yourself. and i would sure as hell be more interested in what westerners thought of central african weather patterns than central africans.

>> No.22020045

>>22019779
Also memorize the order of characters "a ka sa ta na ya ra wa n", a common mnemonic I learned is "aka satana yarawan".

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No wonder 3k words feels like nothing.

>> No.22020065

>>22020049
my vocab level is around 20-30k and i still come across a new word every 2000 characters reading 'wordy' games like dies irae. you're never gonna truly escape the struggle until you get to the elusive 50k.

>> No.22020067

>>22020028
it says i have 0 invitation tokens but u would need to post ur email anyway i think but image posting ur email on a hacker website lol

>> No.22020077

>>22020067
imagine being afraid to post your email like lmao did you also give your phone number to register it?

>> No.22020093

>>22020042
>i would sure as hell be more interested in what westerners thought of central african weather patterns than central africans.
When it comes to something like current weather or political beliefs/divisions in a certain country, it really wouldn't be as much a matter of hypothesizing/theorizing on stuff as much as it'd be to ask about an actual state of affairs.
It really doesn't matter what I as a Westerner can think of Japanese politics or the division between liberalism and conservatism, because I would merely be projecting my primarily Euro-American understanding of these words unto a country whose contemporary history I barely know about. What they'd call far left or far right would probably not correspond to what I'd call far left or far right, mostly because political movements, parties, etc. arise in accordance to perceived social problems and in opposition to other politicians/rulers/etc.
Literally nobody could help you with this unless they'd grown up and lived in Japan, and had a relatively good knowledge of Euro-American history & politics too.

>> No.22020094

>>22020077
no i don't think so? my friend just gave me an invite through email. i'm pretty sure it wont let me invite anyone anyway. if you want to post your email on a hacker website thats all you man haha

>> No.22020104

>>22020093
>I would merely be projecting my primarily Euro-American understanding of these words
yea. that's much more interesting and relevant to me than a jap's understanding of his own country's right/left divide.
>Literally nobody could help you with this
lol that's bullshit you'd just need to read a bit about it

>> No.22020105

>>22019843
>It took me longer to learn hiragana and katakana than it did to learn the jouyou kanji
stfu this makes no fucking sense
>>22019963
why tf would you want to watch that shit

>> No.22020109

>>22020067
what year is it in here

>> No.22020130

>>22020109
jealous you dont have avistaz

>> No.22020146

>>22020104
>lol that's bullshit you'd just need to read a bit about it
Then maybe you should ask /his/ or /pol/ instead of the Kougoh Circlejerk General

>> No.22020149

>>22018455
>>22018480
search them up on kotobank

>> No.22020152

>>22020146
nah i'll ask again in awhile to see if someone who happens to know about it is lurking

>> No.22020159

>>22020130
i only watch 2d

>> No.22020172

>>22020146
This is peak djt hours. Ask later, and nobody will answer.

>> No.22020176

>>22020159
crippled

>> No.22020188

>>22020172
you genuinely don't think a single person out of the likely hundreds of unique visitors, perhaps thousands of unique hits per week on a thread that is probably largely frequented by otaku has not read anything about a topic like that. it's just a patently absurd position

>> No.22020191

>>22020152
i do know about it i just dont want to answer because i think you're a bad poster

>> No.22020200

>>22020049
holy shit so I'm over 7k words already I should just do flyable to feel like a pro and get the easy 5% extra from context, thnx senpai

>> No.22020204

>>22020191
thank you for proving my point:
>>22020188
like what a stupid fucking thing to even pretend might be true. "no one knows anything about the politics of a country that we're all interested in so ask elsewhere! btw i'm totally not trying to get you to stop posting about a topic that hurts my feefees" lmao didn't work i'm here to stay so enjoy the shit i spew bud

>> No.22020207

>>22020200
that's not really how it works

>> No.22020213

let's get the thread back on track.
https://youtu.be/XsGpakdBzZA?t=2414
learning a word through SRS != learning a word through immersion.

>> No.22020216

threads so bad im not even reading it now

>> No.22020223

>>22020216
did you say something?

>> No.22020226

Anyone in the thread gonna be in Kyoto for the next few months? Could use a bf while I'm there

>> No.22020233

>>22020226
If I were in japan I'd be slaying japanese poon all day long, no time for western 3dpd.

>> No.22020240

didnt know matt was a vegan

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22020247

Anybody wanna help me out with this?
I can't find the first kanji by radical searching 子or矛.

More generally, is there a way to find words by searching the latter kanji of the word? E.g. searching for *定 to find any word ending in 定?

>> No.22020253

>>22020240
i was gonna be a vegan for health benefits but then i realized i was an ascended being and it doesn’t matter if i die when im 55 or when im 95

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>>22020247

>> No.22020268

>>22020247
予定

>> No.22020269

imagine being 95 lmfao what a mess

>> No.22020277

>>22019944
check out nao channel youtube news

>> No.22020282

>>22020253
im vegan for ethical reasons. i dont think the systematic slaughter of animals is justifiable

>> No.22020287

>>22020269
brb while i take stevo out behind the shed

>> No.22020289

>>22020282
well technically nothing is ethically justifiable since morality is just rationalized feelings

>> No.22020292

>>22020233
I'm a guy :c

>> No.22020298

>>22020289
that's not what the bible says

>> No.22020319

>>22020289
thats not what my anime says

>> No.22020327

listen to what u want but also remember to tune in and listen to your higher self as well

>> No.22020334

>>22020327
i dont have one of those

>> No.22020341

>>22020334
well u might be an npc lol

>> No.22020345

>>22020341
i aint doin that right either

>> No.22020417

gonna have to watch doraemon so i can understand all the references to it

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22020442

only read 47k today. very tired. got owned by anki earlier. depressing.

>> No.22020467

>>22020226
u cant retreat to hanging with other foreigners u must go forth and make japanese friends haha

>> No.22020490

>>22020269
ud be surprised my grandad was still kickin ass in his mid 90s total self sufficient

when he went he just spiraled pretty quick but he was owning until then

>> No.22020516

>>22019944
Right wingers are subhumans who belong against the wall.

>> No.22020579

did anyone here apply to be a janitor so they could save djt once and for all

>> No.22020581

>>22020516
you sound like one yourself lmao

>> No.22020583

>>22020516
stfu. you can disagree but at least tolerate it, retard.

>> No.22020587

>>22020579
jamal is already the janitor though

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22020609

>>22020516
You mean like this?

>> No.22020615

>八百屋

日本語はすごいね

>> No.22020632

>>22020442
Damn bro i have to go through every card like 5 times to remember

>> No.22020637

>>22020615
eight HONDROD TINGS store

>> No.22020660

>>22020583
>tolerate us- uh, i mean, them! Don't be so mean! Bawwwwww!
Shut the fuck up, bootlicker.

>> No.22020696

Is learning hiragana/katakana the most awkward phase of learning Japanese?

>> No.22020706

>>22020696
it takes like a couple days max

>> No.22020713

>>22020660
happy 15th birthday

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>>22020660
>bootlicker.
The kind of respect I've frequently seen antifafags hold for the authoritarian, murderous regimes led by Stalin or Mao seems quite hypocritical.
I'll assume that since you're here on djt, you're a cringy anime-communsm fag too.
I honestly don't understand why people care to discuss politics in non-political spaces, but I guess people really just like to feel like they're talking about something important.

>> No.22020720

>>22020696
No. The stage where you can semi-read things but still need to look up a word every couple of sentences and this continues for months is

>> No.22020725

スターリンは何も悪いことをしなかった

>> No.22020727

im a radical centrist

>> No.22020732

>>22020727
im an anarcho-fascist

>> No.22020734

>>22019473
"Do you like this school?"

>> No.22020757

>>22020696
if by most awkward you mean by far the easiest part then yes

>> No.22020786

thanks for posting bangers

>> No.22020799

>>22019512
Aside from the obvious (LoGH), there's also the incredible Windaria (ignore the rating on >MAL), Akira and Gunbuster.

>> No.22020808

>>22020716
>but have you considered my strawman and refusal to look at who started this conversation?? Xd
Shut the fuck up, bootlicker.

>> No.22020814

can u stop shitting up my thread and post about matto or somethin

>> No.22020822

uppercase shits

>> No.22020824

>>22019843
>It took me longer to learn hiragana and katakana than it did to learn the jouyou kanji
wtf does that even mean

>> No.22020829

>>22020824
it means he did RTK and thinks he "learned the joyou kanji" in like 2 months and his brain is so broken it took him 3+ months to learn some squiggles

>> No.22020843

>>22020829
RTK is more helpful than harmful if you do it in a good way (not writing, kanji on front meaning on back, not being so strict about recalling the exact keyword)

>> No.22020848

>>22020843
never reply to me ever again

>> No.22020853

>>22019550
>after I publish my site we really will have no reason to talk about Japanese whatsoever
Are you doing a rewrite of the hopelessly out-of-date and 90% beginner-made DJT guide?

I thought you were just making a site about your anime cards.

>> No.22020880

>>22020848
>can't accept doing certain things can be useful
you're a true dekinai, the pure essence of stupid.

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>>22020814
uhh *walks in whilst 指を鳴らすing* whos thread is it again

>> No.22020888

上手い
上手

y'all seen this???

>> No.22020890

>>22020880
what does any of this have to do with 'learning the joyou kanji' quicker than hiragana? maybe you should learn english before moving on to japanese

>> No.22020893

rtk is a lateral move lmao

>> No.22020897 [DELETED] 

>>22020660
>>22020808
>bootlicker
Considering there is no form of left-wing ideology which doesn't rely on authoritarian coercion to force individuals to surrender at a minimum their wealth and in most cases their rights too, it's rather ironic that you should be using this term as an insult.

Do you have any self-awareness whatsoever?

>> No.22020902

>>22020890
the comment i was replying to was
>it means he did RTK and thinks he "learned the joyou kanji" in like 2 months and his brain is so broken
clearly, there's an anti-rtk sentiment, which is stupid. do rtk, don't do it, either way it can be very helpful.

>> No.22020917

i love to "learn" kanji by just memorizing one single keyword for them and being unable to actually figure out what any word they're in means or how it sounds

>>22020897
not true at all, anarchism doesn't rely on authoritarian coercion, it's non-hierarchical at least until literally anyone decides to fuck with it and then it immediately collapses because no centralized leadership

>> No.22020919

>>22020902
there's nothing in that post that suggests rtk isn't helpful. learn english

>> No.22020925

>>22020853
It’s mostly an anime cards guide indeed
there is a section on setting up anki and yomichan however
haven’t looked at our guide so idk how out of date it is

>> No.22020926 [DELETED] 

>>22020917
Left-wing anarchy is an oxymoron.

You can't have a collectivist society without coercion.

>> No.22020931 [DELETED] 

>>22020516
go be anti-white elsewhere

>> No.22020938

>>22020919
do you not understand implications? do you need everything said explicitly?

>> No.22020943

>>22020696
no. the most awkward part is when you have ankied yourself to the top, where you can read the sentence but have no fucking idea what it means

>> No.22020947

>>22020926
a huge part of human history was people in collectivist tribes, before kings and things. there are still tribes like that, that share everything.

>> No.22020953

>>22020938
i said there's nothing in that post that SUGGESTS rtk isn't helpful. that includes implications. you are the one who needs things stated explicitly since you don't know english, so let me help: there is nothing in that post that explicitly or implicitly states that rtk isn't helpful. it merely suggests that you don't 'learn kanji' or that 'learning kanji' is a retarded concept.

>> No.22020959

i'm only part of the /djt/ tribe gang

>> No.22020966 [DELETED] 

>>22020947
Tribes are hierarchical structures with authority figures (e.g. the chief).

>> No.22020976

>>22020966
not all of them.

>> No.22020985

>>22020953
read the post again.

>> No.22020989

>>22020976
ok m8

>> No.22020992

>>22020985
why? i wrote it

>> No.22020998

>>22020843
>rtk is more helpful than harmful if u do kklc instead of rtk
>>22020887
calm down its ok its our thread all of us here

>> No.22021005

>>22020992
ok, godfather, let me make it very clear. the part that says
>it means he did RTK
>and his brain is so broken
do i need to clarify it any more than that?

>> No.22021021

>>22021005
>and his brain is so broken it took him 3+ months to learn some squiggles
fucking esls

>> No.22021032

>>22021005
this is why i told you never to reply to me ever again, i could tell you also have a broken brain from the start. and in your case as well im sure it has nothing to do with rtk

>> No.22021033

>>22020824
It took me nearly two years of failed attempts to memorize hiragana/katakana by copying them down on paper a bunch of times, very unevenly spread over time, after which I learnt all of the kanji in KanjiDamage+a bit more in 4 months of ankidroning and reading.

>> No.22021040

everyone calm down and help yourselves to some feels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEfzl77qTT0

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>>22021040
NO FEELS POSTS!

>> No.22021058

>>22021033
if only u just read more

>> No.22021075

how long have u been learning japanese and how much of this do u understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w22-gYVEAbU#t=20

>> No.22021077

>>22021032
are you done yet?

>> No.22021082

>>22021075
日本語は分かりません

>> No.22021158

how long have u been learning japanese and how long can u last during the intro here before u start laughing lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kObHe3yHreY

>> No.22021168

any tips on how to take control of my hood

>> No.22021178

love ur boys more than ne1 else

to be a good leader u have to have a lot of love

when ppl feel how much love u have they will stand by u and ride till they die

>> No.22021184

hmm... seems like i need to make some friends first then. probably would have been easier if you just told me to shoot somebody.

>> No.22021193

not friends but nakama

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