07th Expansion Thread

[Anonymous No.]

That's right. This 07th Expansion, Higurashi, Umineko, Higanbana, RGD, Trianthology discussion thread was made possible thanks to Furudo Erika. What do you think, seacats...?

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>tfw no erika gf
Why live?

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>>21898329
PS3 Akasaka looks so fucking bad he ruins every single scene he's in.

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>>21896531
Thr CGs are really good. It's just some of the sprites that are off-putting like for example Akasaka's or Takano.

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>>21899018
RATS!

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i want to cum on Ange's face

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Who is the bigger slut?

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>>21900414
Ange

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>>21899018
I don't get this rat meme.

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>>21900321
The Higurashi CGs are mostly trash. Especially the PS3 ones. Like the scene where Takano and Okonogi pin down Tomitake. Their faces look so weird and terrible.

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Would Satoko be a rat kid loli obsessed with Minecraft if she lived in modern times?

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https://youtu.be/2EUdPhzAPtM

Would Rosa treat Maria better if she simply had a stuttering problem that made her seem stupid instead of being legit autistic and immature?

Also, would you date this girl? She's quite hot, but I'd find it hard not to burst out laughing every five seconds.

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>>21901730
kinda annoying but wouldn't be a problem with my dick in her mouth

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>>21901730
I'd just force her to use sign language or something.

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October 4, 2019.

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>>21902520
you just delayed it again with karma good job

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>>21901730
She's got the same buck teeth, heart-shaped lips and autism-nose that my super cute scene emo weaboo middle school gf had.

Cute! Cute! I wanna lick her ass!

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Play Higu and Umi with the console sprites. Fuck R07 apologists.

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>>21902615
Higurashi is fucking garbage with anything other than the original sprites and NO CGs. They actually hurt the experience significantly.

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Was this decision in the original version of the game? It was almost a decade since I last played it, but for some reason I don't remember it.

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>>21901730
She's a human being and has an ass. How shameful! How dare she show her face in public!

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>>21902831
It was always there. It doesn't matter what you pick though, everything plays out the same regardless

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>>21901730
Super lewd girl, but stuttering is a pretty lame fetish. Tourette's is better because it makes an otherwise normal and cute girl (with low self-esteem and nerdy hobbies because she probably got bullied for her disability, which makes her lower her standards for a partner) randomly say the most offensive shit that come to her mind, every 10 seconds. It's both lewd and cute, because it exposes the very personal way in which her mind works and reveals which words her subconscious considers more obscene and inappropriate. A girl who is aware of the pathetic nature of the human condition would spout "ass" related words most of the time. Even if she's a cute loli with a fun personality and a beautiful face!

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I wonder how much Umineko fanart is being lost forever every single week to random autistic Pixiv purges.

https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=72082645

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>>21904460
about the same as the amount of art getting lost on twitter

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Bros, why is the official Umineko explanation so bad?

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>>21904595
Trannies gotta ruin everything with their 40%

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>>21904595
The fact that you see Yasu's tale as nothing more than a means to explain closed room mysteries proves how shallow your understanding of the story was.

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>>21904685
I'm fine with Yasu, what bothers me more is that all the other characters are retarded enough to enable their bullshit. Pesonally I'd like no Yasu more, but I'll take one or the other if it makes the story make more sense.

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>>21902615
Kill yourself.

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Anyone have any Umineko or Higurashi stencils?

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>>21904595
>Bros
see >>21904785

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Just finished Umineko! Really enjoyable, and it made me regret being a dumbass who needs lots of hints to figure out mysteries/riddles. Still sorting out my feelings over the ending.

Looking forward to Ciconia. Usually I don't like going online to discuss ongoing media because people will figure out and theorize stuff, which makes twists less interesting for me. But, it seems like the author disagrees, and who am I to argue?

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>>21905000
I'm glad there are still new people reading the series to this day. It's fun to hear all their thoughts.

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>>21902520
This but unironically.

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>>21904685
It's not quite like that at all for me. I probably am a bad candidate for solving logic puzzles. The motive just seems lacking. Yasu killed a bunch of people to start a black magic ritual because of love indecisiveness?

That seems kinda... evil.

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>>21905519
Have you read the manga? There's a lot more to it than that. Hatred for the family, hatred for themselves, a desire to find love, the feeling that they don't deserve love, etc.

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>>21905577
She's just being depressed basically

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>>21905660
Yes, and she understands and regrets it.

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>>21871354
Could you share the Umineko scripts?

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>>21905519
It's not like Yasu killed anyone

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>>21905519
>The motive just seems lacking. Yasu killed a bunch of people to start a black magic ritual because of love indecisiveness?
What the hell? How do you even come to that conclusion? You are not supposed to take everything at face value.

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Thats right I'm a rat

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I'm following someone playing Umineko with pachinko sprites and I have to say they're slowly growing on me.

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>>21906765
except themselves

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>>21906854
pachinko Ange's tits don't make the sprites good anon

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>Battler's big blue truth penetrates Beatrice's red truth like a spoon in a bowl of gelato.
What did Ryukishi mean by this?

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I colored my Rena sprite-like fanart I started some times ago, about time. Still gotta make her other expressions in colors, then possibly do the school uniform.

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>>21907873
And a test with a background.

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>>21907873
tits not big enough

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>>21907873
>>21907879
your Takano was already great but this one's coloring is even more impressive
big congrats

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>>21908027
I started using a new coloring method a few months ago, it gives me better results. Pretty satisfied myself of how it came out. Still need to try finding a good workflow to combine that with the sprites variations.

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while I was looking through my files, found an older Rena sprite fanart I did back in 2014.

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I wish I had a wife like Ushiromiya Eva. Strong-willed and able to be ruthless, but caring and willing to compromise with her loved ones. Why is she so perfect l, bros?

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>>21907873
>>21907879
Amazing, but the tits are too big. Don't get me wrong, I love tits that big, but they just don't fit Rena because she's supposed to be an awkward 15 year old with a developing body.

They should be a bit smaller.

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Why did Alchemist Rena hold back her autism and put her hands in front of her crotch instead of doing the bunny pose thing?

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>>21908304
Well, depending on the part, Rena is shown with fairly big breasts.

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>>21906854
Maria was supposed to look awkward and have a plain face even when she's feeling emotions.

This spriteset makes her look awkward and is better than Alchemist in that regard, but she's still too expressive.

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Would Shion be one of Ange's bullies if they were the same age?

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>>21908355
Shion doesn't need anybody's help to bully Ange. She would be The bully.

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>>21908355
Saikoroshi Shion helped a loli bully another loli and laughed the entire time, despite having a great life as the leader of the Sonozaki family and having a hairy enough pussy to know right from wrong.

This bored version of Shion stuck in a crappy academy and bearing resentment towards the entire word would certaintly enjoy bullying a girl her age and force her to strip naked in front of the other bullies for her own amusement.

The other bullies were too fucking soft. The worst thing they did was force Ange to read out loud a letter admitting that she's a shit.

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https://exhentai.org/g/1036139/90a0728819/

I don't think it's a coincidence that this girl looks exactly like loli Sayo.

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Adaptations like the anime and manga gave Rena darker hair, what do you personally prefer?

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>>21908750

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>>21908750
I personally enjoy the Auburn over the more normal brown.

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>>21908750
>>21908777
I like the lighter versions

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>>21908777
So since I was at it, I did comparisons for the other girls. It's interesting to notice that none of the adaptations kept Mion's original hair color (Alchemist's Rena was basically the same as Ryukishi's, in contrast).

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>>21908919

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>>21906781
Anon, I didn't mean to say I ignore the Anti-Mystery Anti-Fantasy component of the story, but sure, let's get rid of the blackmagic ritual and go full trick. Yasu armed a giant bomb beneath Rokkenjima because she was depressed and frustrated about her love life and viewed George, Jessica, and Battler as acceptable causalities(and if we take our confessions as canon, she had this fucking weirdo Pharaoh like approach to it where their souls would accompany hers to the next life)

That still seems kinda evil.

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>>21908947

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>>21908952

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>>21908948
You are totally misunderstanding her motives, that's what I meant.

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>>21909037
Then enlighten me.

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>>21905000
>seems like the author disagrees
Well, maybe. R07's statement about Ciconia and discussion and speculation seems rather oppressive.

But whatever R07 is going for, a serialized release will generate speculation, and if more than one person is reading the serialization at the same time, discussion.

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>>21904460
use zerochan

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The true culprits

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>>21906854
The pachinko designs look amazing in the panchinko video scenes and CGs (except that THING that calls itself Battler). Much better than most of the Alchemist CGs, and they also depict more interesting scenes.

I'm talking about the CGs themselves in isolation, though. They would kill the atmosphere if used in the VN.

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>>21909706

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https://exhentai.org/g/137625/e6976b707c/

How much would you pay Rosa to let you fuck Maria in front of Sakutaro like this?

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>>21908355
She would succeed where the others failed and cause her to kill herself.

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>>21909886
I'd honestly rather fuck Sakutaro in front of Maria.

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>>21909886
Ya keep linking this kinda shit and I'll find you and break your kneecaps.

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>>21910274

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>>21907879
Nice, you should do sprites for actual VNs.

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Curious, how many times have y'all read Umineko?

I've done 2 complete read throughs. Was on my 3rd but ended up stopping right before Episode 4. Thinking of picking it back up now, with Ciconia coming out.

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>>21910437
I'm the guy from earlier who just finished it. I'll probably read the manga next, and a while down the road do a reread with the ps3 sprites (I stuck to the originals for my first time).

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>>21910437
I still haven't read past EP 6 lul. I plan to get the last two done before Saku comes out, of course.

I've read Higurashi through once in bad translation and now twice in new, though.

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>>21910500
Well, besides Masturibayashi, as it hasn't been out. Will probably end up doing that twice too though, as I'm streaming for two different dudes.

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>>21908321
I think they look fine. Every artist has their own style, and your other sprites already have big breasted characters. Rena's seem just right when compared to your Takano, Mion, and Hanyuu.

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>>21908948
Yasu had low self-esteem, lived a life of isolation and spent years thinking herself into a mental disorder. She wasn't sure about her gender, which gender she liked or what kind of person she really wanted to spend her life with. And she couldn't abandon her childhood crush on Battler, who she kept idealizing over the years because she didn't get to interact with him for so long, and her fantasies about witches (missing out on the fun parts of childhood can make you indulge in pretty childish stuff as an adult, never growing out of those desires).

She was terrified of George finding out that she's actually a freaky dickless eunuch with a disgusting wound scar with a makeshift peehole for a "vagina". She didn't have the balls (heh) to tell him the truth or let their relationship progress to the next level. Her low self-esteem and depression made her believe George would either politely reject her, get angry because he had been tricked into dating a fucking tranny or stay with her out of obligation without ever getting to realize his ambitious dreams or fuck a real girl's pussy.

She also hated Natsuhi for ruining her body, but also felt bad for her shitty situation. She hated Rosa for being a terrible mother that constantly traumatizes and beats her autistic daughter (who is Yasu's only real friend), but she also pitied her. She had complicated feelings about Genji, Nanjo and Kumasawa because they allowed Kinzo to get away with a lot of shit and also forced her to survive in a broken undeveloped body with no genitals and raised her as the opposite gender.

She was also raised in a clearly Christian orphanage and seems to believe in some sort of afterlife. She felt trapped in a "closed room" of her own making, didn't know who she was or what she wanted out of life, hated and pitied the people around her at the same time, didn't have the balls to make a decision regarding her love life... She felt trapped and suicidal.

And in the middle of all that, she obtained Genji's unconditional support, a bomb capable of blowing away all her worries and ten tons of gold to bribe people into doing what she wants.

She basically planned to commit suicide using the bomb and take everyone down with her, both out of hatred and out of pity. But she felt guilty about it, so she set up a time limit and asked the relatives to solve the epitapth, to give them a chance and hopefully stop her before the depression made her go through with her insane plan.

Once she learned that Battler would come back, she decided to carry out the epitath ceremony as a mystery for Battler to solve, and planned several scenarios, giving the family another chance to figure out the truth and put an end to her plan. She also bribes some servants and different sets of adults in each game, telling them it's all a fake "game" with fake deaths and offering them a shitload of gold for participating (except Rosa in EP2, who knows the deaths are real and goes along with it anyway).

The impossible murders she carries out instead of simply letting the bomb go off at 24:00 are also a way to entertain Maria and show her "proof" that magic exists, to make her truly believe in Beatrice (Maria only forces herself to believe and deep down knows Beato is just Shannon/Kanon playacting, but the murders "confirm" that it was all real and delight her). It's a way to show Maria the impossible, magical miracles she always wanted to see before everything is over and she is released from her shitty life.

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Eva is my eternal auntfu.

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>>21910594
Also, actually killing people in the first twilight is a perfect way to "cross the line" and make sure that her life is fucking over for sure, giving her the courage needed to kill herself.

There are many people IRL who commit murder simply so they can ruin their own lives and eliminate any chance of getting cold feet before commiting suicide. Once you do that, it's either death or a lifetime of suffering in jail. It makes it easier to take that single step into the abyss because the alternative is worse and it's impossible to go back to living a "normal" life anymore.

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>>21910598
You have supreme taste.

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>>21910635

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX4BzEMEZbM

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Is it just me or does every Higanbana chapter have its own "answer arc"?

-Chapter 1 and chapter 11 are both about attractive teachers who seduce a kid and then take advantage of them to satisfy their darkest desires, and they end up killing them because they fear being found out. In both cases, the teacher is punished thanks to a youkai who took interest in the victim beforehand.

-Chapter 2 leaves you with an uneasy feeling about a certain character's fate and chapter 6 reveals what became of them.

-Chapter 3 and chapter 9 are counterparts and their main protagonists (and the youkai) are polar opposites of each other. The endings are also different due to the different natures of their struggles. One is about using escapism to deal with a harsh reality and the other is about focusing on reality to keep your mind empty and avoid thinking about depressing shit.

-Chapter 4 deals with a chuuni loli who struggles to make friends, while chapter 12 is about the same loli losing her only friend and learning to cope with it.

-Chapter 5 is about an asshole kid who gets bullied for being a fucking smartass prick and takes his frustration out by torturing small animals. A youkai approaches him and helps him mutilate his bullies in revenge. In the end, Higanbana punishes him for it and he meets with a terrible fate. The chapter as a whole is disconnected from Marie's story (she barely does anything) and only serves to demonstrate Higanbana's particular sense of "poetic justice". She's the star of this chapter.

Chapter 14 feels like a counterpart to that. It's about a kid with artistic talent who gets bullied for being too nice, but he vents his frustration by drawing beautiful things. Higanbana becomes friends with him and is intrigued by his attitude. The bullies fuck the kid up and leave him blind for the rest of his life. In the end, Higanbana punishes the bullies and eats them. The kid grows up and has a relatively happy life despite his disability. Once again, the chapter has fuck all to do with Marie and is all about how Higanbana became the person she is now.

-Chapter 7 and chapter 13 are about Yukari dealing with different manifestations of bullying, from both sides, and ultimately reaching some sort of temporary "solution" to the problem. They complement each other really well and are probably my favorite set of chapters in the VN.

-Chapter 8 and chapter 10 are both chill chapters where nothing significant happens, a whole bunch of past and future characters appear as cameos, there is quite a bit of comic relief and Marie's character is explored in a subtle way as she interacts with the illusion of the old school building and the characters in the mirror world.

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>>21910792
I find it interesting how Ryuukishi only introduced half of the ranked youkais in the first night. When I started reading, I assumed that each of the chapters would introduce a new youkai to Marie and by the seventh one we would've met all of them. But instead of being formulaic like that, Ryuukishi found excuses to avoid introducing half of them.

In the first chapter we meet Higanbana. In the second we meet the Headmaster. But after that, he comes up with a dude who isn't officially ranked but is the second "in the shadows", fucking Sakunoshin, and a newly born dude who is trying to usurp Marie's seat and ends up getting killed. The sixth chapter doesn't introduce anyone and by the seventh we finally get our fourth youkai.

It's funny how there's that huge stretch between the 2nd and the 7th without any officially ranked youkai being introduced.

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>>21910792
Higanbana is objectively the "weakest" work of R07, due to its nature as a series of short stories. It doesn't even attempt to reach the level of a massive WTC story with a huge cast of characters and a setting that becomes more and more familiar each episode. It's not a proper linear story full of incredible moments and lovable characters like RGD.

And yet, despite my absolute love for all of his other works, Higanbana is the one I can't stop thinking about. I love its music, its atmosphere, its characters, the individual stories, the child characters, the youkai society and their powers, how it perfectly captures the subtle feelings of insecurity and fear that come with being a kid... Damn, I don't know why but I fucking love Higanbana. It's incredibly comfy and immersive despite being depressing as shit. If his other stories are crazy emotional rollercoasters, this is like a deep plunge into a dark abyss. I just want to know more about this world.

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It's funny how the Umineko anime is so garbage that most people that watched it and then read the VN didn't remember absolutely fucking nothing about it. Including the web of red, the EP3 twist and the truth about Kinzo.

How can it be so fucking bad that even the plot twists have no impact on the viewers? Is it because an Umineko anime watcher doesn't have a solid understanding of the mystery they are supposed to solve and therefore the "reveals" that were intended to turn your theories upside down don't feel significant because the entire goddamn story so far has been a clusterfuck and you've been completely lost the whole time?

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>these threads are dead as shit
>every single 07thExpansion discord is infested with disgusting feminazis and male SJWs who hate sexualization
W-Where am I supposed to discuss Ciconia with mentally healthy people without some dude spoiling shit from day 1? /jp/ seems like the only decent place, but it'll be a spoilerfest.

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What happened with the unused EP2 and EP3 opening videos that were in the install folders of the original releases? They were really cool and hinted at Shkanon shamelessly.

Are they still in the Steam version's files?

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>>21910949
With your mind friends Sh(anon) K(anon) and the witch of endless (you)s of course.

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>>21910949
How about finding some buddies to discuss it with via DMs on discord?

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>>21910980
There are no known cases of a non-subhuman using discord.

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>>21911019
Nonsense. Anyone can use it. It's just a matter of engaging with others who do. You can easily find people who share your interest and talk one-on-one with them. Or what, would you rather discuss stuff on Twitter?

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>>21911019
I bet Battler and Keichii would use discord.

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>>21911034
>Anyone can use it
>can
Reread my post.
>easily
I'm really interested in knowing how it's "easy" for you to find even a single person on discord, given how shit the platform is.

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>>21910949
finish it then discuss it on /jp/

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>>21910437
I've only read it once back in 2013 but I loved it so much I always wanted to reread some time, but I still haven't for some reason. Maybe I just don't want to ruin my perfect memory I have of it

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>>21911079
I dunno. Start by finding one friend you'd enjoy chatting with. After a while, they might introduce you to another friend or a server of likeminded people. Bit by bit you meet new people, some good some bad. It's no different from any other social networking service. It's just a matter of how you use it. I usually hate those sort of things, but even I've managed to find about a dozen people who I enjoy talking with it over the last year and a half. Again, more than 90% of the usage I get out of it is via DMs. I keep any servers I'm in muted and only check them when I feel like it.

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>get friend into umineko
>halfway through episode 2 he casually admits hes a wikireader
>read the entire umineko wiki before starting
>doesnt see anything wrong with it

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>>21911378
> tries to get a friend in the series
> knows it's absolutely impossible he'll read the VN, he can't even read english properly
> good thing the manga is available in our language
> I insist a lot about how he should avoid the anime and check the manga
> he watches the anime instead anyway
> haven't heard news from him about it, he propably dropped it

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>>21911378
>>21911396
Wow, that's some seriously bad luck. I've gotten about 4 of my pals to read the vn and a 5th to read the manga.

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>>21911433
guy with wikireader friend
i got two friends to read it, once was decent but hates discussion fiction, and the other only read it for the memes and had 0 attachment to the characters
tried getting another friend into it but he started with higurashi and dropped it 2/8 episodes in

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>>21911444
at least you got your friends to pick up the stories. My brother just wanted to feel smart about himself by criticising Umineko for all kinds of arbitrary reasons and then dropping it after reading chapter 1, and one of my friends who I think would enjoy it never gets around to giving it a chance because he prefers to watch shitty Netflix shows.

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>>21911444
>>21911555
Out of curiosity, were these IRL friends? Because the ones I showed were all people I know online.

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>>21911555
>at least you got your friends to pick up the stories.
Honestly, if someone ""only read it for the memes"" (whatever that means) it's probably best if they stayed as far away from it as possible.

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>>21911600
yup, they were irl friends. I don't have online friends except for a few people I got to know BECAUSE they also enjoy Ryukishi's work

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>>21911614
I dunno, when I watched Avatar as a kid I just enjoyed it as a show with likeable characters, an interesting setting and cool fight coreography, but later I was able to appreciate it on a deeper level.
If someone without any deeper interest in art is able to enjoy a good story, even on the level of pure spectacle, then that story might become a catalyst for what they will be able to appreciate in the future.

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>>21911615
I thought so. I feel like you have a better chance of meeting people whose tastes and interests align with yours online, given the much bigger pool to draw from. This leads back to the discord discussion a bit, as that's where I found the last few friends I introduced Umineko to.

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>>21911378
>>21911396
>tried to get a friend in Umineko
>he asks me if there's fighting in it, I say that there's some but it's not the focus
>tell him he should still check it out
>know he won't read the vn because he sucks at english so I recommend in the manga
>last time we talk about it he was at the 3rd chapter of episode 1
>never talked about it since then
>he probably dropped it

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>>21910962
>unused EP2 and EP3 opening videos
There is only one unused opening. There are 3 openings in the game files; op 1 is used in Episode 1 and 3, and op 3 is used in Episode 4. Op 2 is the only one that's unused. But yeah, it's still in the Steam files

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>>21911600
the two who read it are IRLs, the other two are online friends
though the two IRLs were originally online friends, they just progressed to irl ones

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>>21911378
>>21911396
>>21911980
>tell my cousin that has never read any visual novels before that Higurashi is great and that he should check it out
>he does
>he loves it
>he reads Umineko afterwards
>he loves it
>we both scheduled our vacations to read Ciconia together in october
It's a good feeling

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>>21910876
Well, I don't know about "objectively." I like it more, pound for pound, than RGD. I think a work should be judged on the average "goodness per wordcount," not just the average goodness out of all wordcount...otherwise quantity could substitute for quality.

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>>21912173
No, I clearly remember two unused opening. One for EP2 and other for EP3. In the actual game, the first opening plays for both until it changes in EP4.

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>>21912455
You're remembering wrong then. This is the only unused opening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbf1VAr6Clk

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Imagine telling your friends to read Umineko first and not Higurashi. You're cancer, just give up and die already.

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>>21912570
Why exactly was it unused anyway? I think it fits EP2 much better.

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>>21912580
>tfw someone reads Umineko after watching ""Higurashi"" and barely catches any of the references because the anime is basically a quick summary of the shocking moments without any substance

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>>21912580
I prefer Umineko so it's natural that I recommend it instead of Higurashi.

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>>21912580
I got a friend to read both Higurashi and Umineko. Feels good.

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>>21912660
Imagine having this much of a shit taste.

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>>21912590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg-Dhb-I9Cc
It actually was used as a trailer. Notice that the upload date is August 2nd 2007, before even Episode 1 was released. Why it's in the game files under the name umineko_op2 is the real question

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>>21912660
Umineko loses some of its value without Higurashi. You miss out on all the references, feel nothing for Bern and Lambda (they are supposed to be huge fanservice characters) and the narration fails to trick you the way Ryuukishi intended because you don't have the mindset from READING Higurashi.

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>>21912683
It's not shit taste to prefer one over the other. Both stories have their own strengths. I dunno about that anon's reasoning, but personally I recommend Umineko over Higurashi because if I had to pick just one for them to read, it'd be Umineko. It's hard enough recommending a single 100+ hour vn, let alone two. I make sure to mention Higurashi as well of course, and explain that reading it first would make them appreciate Umineko more, even if it isn't necessary.

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>>21912717
I guess so, but only an absolute normie would find it hard to read two massive VNs.

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>>21912700
>feel nothing for Bern and Lambda
That just isn't true, I played Umineko first and after episode 3 Lambda become interesting and Bern only got interesting in Chiru
I know people who played Higurashi first and felt nothing for Bern and Lambda

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>>21899161
You would leave her in a week anon

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>>21912700
I read Umineko first so let me give you my point of view
>the references
You don't realize you miss them so it doesn't matter, and it was funny getting some of them later when I started reading Higurashi
>feel nothing for Bern and Lambda
Wrong
>the narration fails you to trick you the way Ryukishi intended
I don't know what way you're referring to but I can tell you Ryuikishi always manage to trick me

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>>21911396
Someone like that wouldn't have appreciated the VN anyway. And he's probably a moralfag IRL, so he doesn't deserve it.

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>>21912304
Is your cousin a cute loli of 12 years of age?

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>>21911444
>and the other only read it for the memes and had 0 attachment to the characters
Emotionally stunted norms can't enjoy Ryuukishi's writing. I'm serious.

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>>21912783
Talking about Battler confusing groping for comedy?

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Happy birthday, Rika!

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>>21911630
>If someone without any deeper interest in art is able to enjoy a good story, even on the level of pure spectacle, then that story might become a catalyst for what they will be able to appreciate in the future.
The average person sees entertainment as a way to kill time. They can't appreciate art and don't even understand why preservation of media is important.

This is why I can't watch movies with anyone. If you watch a serious movie, they'll keep making jokes because they are uncomfortable with emotions, will keep looking at their phones every 30 seconds, talk through important scenes and miss out on important details because they got up to grab something. It's maddening. And then they say the movie was shit or "not that good". Even the dumbest fucking comedy is still disrespected by those retards because they miss half the jokes.

And don't even get me started on sharing my favorite music, books or movies with people. They'll find a way to ridicule them without giving them a chance and make me look stupid in their eyes, making me remember that infuriating exchange every time I watch it by myself.

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>>21912700
I feel like normal people who aren't into anime/otaku culture can kinda get past the stuff in Umineko, but Higurashi is just too weird with all the maid stuff, etc. That's why I sometimes recommend Umineko first, then Higurashi if they really get into it.

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>>21912788
no he's a fat dude
you can't win everything

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>>21912842
>normal people who aren't into anime/otaku culture
What's the point in sharing anything with them?

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>>21912849
I don't know, it's nice outside the bubble.

I was really into 4chan, Touhou, anime etc in college but was 11 years ago. DESU I'm really more of a 07th Expansion fan than a VN fan...I pretty much just come to 4chan for this thread, and one other on /tg/.

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>>21912862
I don't dislike "normal" people who know nothing about nerd culture. I don't dislike trannies either. But both groups tend to be brainwashed SJWs with low IQ 95% of the time, a type of person I want to strange every time they open their mouth, so I can't help but generalize and assume they will be shitty people.

I know there are good "normal" people out there who haven't been brainwashed by the media, but they are way too rare and I'll just be wasting my time trying to find them.

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Almost finished reading The House in Fata Morgana. Was it openly influenced by Umineko or am I having the "Jojo/Eva reference" newfag reaction to it? The protagonist conflict with his body, the western mansion with the rose garden, the way magic and witches are viewed. One of the CGs is almost 100% identical to the kirye one, and used in a similar scene. I also feel there's something else I've missed

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I just can't for the life of me view Yasu as anything other than a shit person for the murder suicide.

Like, people want Aurora to be Yasu, and so Battler and Aurora got their happy ending. People are generally happy about that possibility, rather than absolutely disgusted.

This idea that Yasu did a bunch of murders to "really" convince Maria that magic exists also disgusts me. Is that really the type of magic Maria believed in? The awful, evil kind?

I don't know. Maybe I lack ****. Maybe my experiences and values are simply incompatible with Yasu's.

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>>21912893
And there is 4 questions arcs/4 answers arcs

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>>21912973
>This idea that Yasu did a bunch of murders to "really" convince Maria that magic exists also disgusts me.
Yasu didn't kill anyone

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>>21912973
>This idea that Yasu did a bunch of murders to "really" convince Maria that magic exists also disgusts me.
She just wanted to show her that magic is real that make her believe that she's really going to the golden land, before putting her out of her misery.

Same with her lovers. George was so into Shannon that he'd fucking kill himself if something happened to his waifu, or at least that's what she thought. So she figured it would be better if he got blown into pieces too instead of having to live with the sadness of losing his waifu.

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>>21912973
Have you been tested for autism?

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>>21913002
I mean, as far as we know no one killed anyone, since even Bern equivocated a bit with the red text about Rokkenjima prime. But at the very least we can react to the "idea" of the murders as stories, and our confessions seems to show Yasu has specific intentions. Reacting to this idea of a character is fair enough, isn't it?

>>21913023
There's still Jessica, Hideyoshi, and Gohda, and a whole lot of other innocent people. If Yasu truly thought was she was doing was good, she probably wouldn't have included the "Someone stop me!" clause.

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>>21912973
>This idea that Yasu did a bunch of murders to "really" convince Maria that magic exists also disgusts me.
They are all going to die anyway, might as well take revenge and feel like a god before you go. It also gives the family a chance to find the culprit instead of being killed by the bomb in their sleep.

>Is that really the type of magic Maria believed in? The awful, evil kind?
She didn't really believe in magic by that point, she just deluded herself into accepting magic as an undeniable fact. She's emotionally underdeveloped but also really intelligent for her age.

Any type of unexplainable situation, no matter how "evil", would prove to her that magic might be real after all. She's willing to indulge in her fantasies and take that as proof that Beatrice was a real person who will give her happiness if she helps.

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>>21913064
>They are all going to die anyway, might as well take revenge and feel like a god before you go.

See, that seems like something a really shitty person would do.

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>>21912973
>>21913045
The story never paints Yasu as an innocent person. Her diary is a complete fantasy that focuses on her crush on Battler to avoid showing her unhealthy mindset and her real problems. And the way Battler treats Beatrice in purgatory is just his opinion, he's not forcing you to forgive her.

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Following Rena, continuing my Mion sprite.

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>>21913074
So you've never consindered killing yourself to escape from a really shitty situation and thought "I wish I could easily kill my loved ones as well so they don't have to suffer after my death, and also the people that loved them, and the people that love those" and by the point you start thinking it would be better if your aunt's husband's mother's sister would be better off dead, you realize this is going too far?

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>>21913045
>If Yasu truly thought was she was doing was good
She knows she's doing a terrible thing. She just feels stuck and unable to continue with her life, so she's trying to escape from reality by blowing herself up and everyone who might be hurt by her death.

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>>21910594
>>21910624
>There are many people IRL who commit murder simply so they can ruin their own lives and eliminate any chance of getting cold feet before commiting suicide
This. It's fucked up, though. Imagine getting killed in a school shooting just to give a guy motivation to end his life.

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>>21910792
I think that neurotic kid was totally justified in killing his bullies. They got mad at him because he told a dumb loli bitch that's she's a retard because only retards would find 5th grade math hard to understand. Sure, he threw her notebook in the trash, but so what? It's a fucking notebook.

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Reminder that it was everyone's fault

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>>21913183
Gohda didn't do shit. He couldn't have imagined that the konpeito candies would explode in their stomachs.

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>>21910792
>tfw nobody realizes that Renoir is a blatant Yasu reference

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>>21913183
Was it, though? Was it really?

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>>21913213
This slut was the worst. She assumed Kanon was just being emo about his status as a servant and Maria was just a spoiled brat. She told terrible things to them.

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>>21911378
>Get friend into Umineko
>Reads ep 1, not sure about it.
>Read ep 2 together, he's hooked
>Read ep 3 together, he's loving it
We're going through ep 4 right now, he's a bit annoyed at the length of the ange and maria plots, but he's too invested to even think about quitting.

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>>21913248
Being a bit rude to a servant who is deliberately trying to trick people, and being a bit impatient with Maria is not what I'd consider "the worst" cause of the massacre.

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>>21912893
The writer has stated that he has never read Umineko.

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Miii!

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>>21913269
She was a Stacy. She had to go.

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>>21913104
That's the kind of uncle I would like to have.

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>>21910594
She also bribes some servants and different sets of adults in each game, telling them it's all a fake "game" with fake deaths and offering them a shitload of gold for participating (except Rosa in EP2, who knows the deaths are real and goes along with it anyway).

Excellent, except for that point. In EP 1 both Eva and Hideyoshi knew and were bribed, which is incredibly obvious on a rereading. Eva basically spells in one scene that she knows that the culprit is in the room and George should exit the room right now to seek safety, and both of Eva and Hideyoshi have a nice touching moment where they talk about what they could do with all that money now that all their troubles have disappeared. As for the why they were bribed, Hideyoshi was the one who sold the idea of Shannon's corpse to George.

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>>21910594
>She also bribes some servants and different sets of adults in each game, telling them it's all a fake "game" with fake deaths and offering them a shitload of gold for participating (except Rosa in EP2, who knows the deaths are real and goes along with it anyway).

Excellent, except for that point. In EP 1 both Eva and Hideyoshi knew and were bribed, which is incredibly obvious on a rereading. Eva basically spells in one scene that she knows that the culprit is in the room and George should exit the room right now to seek safety, and both of Eva and Hideyoshi have a nice touching moment where they talk about what they could do with all that money now that all their troubles have disappeared. As for the why they were bribed, Hideyoshi was the one who sold the idea of Shannon's corpse to George.

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>>21913470
Stacys don't date younger virgin boys, Jessica is based

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>>21913400
find it hard to belive, honestly, maybe just the artist

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>>21913531
>Excellent, except for that point. In EP 1 both Eva and Hideyoshi knew and were bribed, which is incredibly obvious on a rereading. Eva basically spells in one scene that she knows that the culprit is in the room and George should exit the room right now to seek safety, and both of Eva and Hideyoshi have a nice touching moment where they talk about what they could do with all that money now that all their troubles have disappeared. As for the why they were bribed, Hideyoshi was the one who sold the idea of Shannon's corpse to George.
And how does that disprove what I said? It's exactly the same point I was making. They were bribed but thought the others had also been made to participate and wear a grotesque "makeup". They had no idea they were really dead.

That's why Eva is so giggly and happy when discussing the case with Battler. She "knows" no one really died.

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>>21914321
Never read the vn, just read the wiki, some shitposting and brosed the cgs.

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About done with coloring my Mion sprite (well, just one pose & one expression, that is).

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>>21914635
A test with a background and Rena.

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I'm rereading and holy shit Alliance is boring the second time through

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>>21914644
and since I was at it. A little comparison with my previous fanart sprite of Mion I did 4 years ago.

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>>21914661
>>21914635
very cute mion. i'm a fan

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>>21914504
It's good and kinda short, give it a try

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Even if you dislike yasutrice as a solution, you have to admit that Ryukishi did an incredible job of making people empathize with a literal (as opposed to figurative) incel serial killer simply by making him wear a fancy dress.

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>>21914635
your mion feels very 80s somehow.

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>>21914907
Incels who become serial killers are always hafus with caucasian and asian parents. Literally every single one.

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>>21914907
I wonder what Irie would think about Yasu. He fucking loves maids and believes that all crime is a result of mental illness or physical brain defects. He also thinks cutting off someone's frontal lobe is a moral medical treatment for depression and evil thoughts.

Maybe he'd secretly arrange for a lobotomy like in the good old days and change Yasu into a ""happy"" person who doesn't care about her problems. Then he'd hire Yasu as his personal maid and enjoy her smooth, undeveloped, soft, childlike skin.

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>>21899018
It's Rika's birthday. I'm glad artists remembered and made art for the occassion today.

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>>21915216
Happy birthday Rika-chan!

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>>21915216
Of course Gaou would remember, he's a blessed brother in the Nipah World Order.

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>>21914646
It's even worse when you have to ctrl all the way through it twice in a row

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>>21913104
those are some huge knockers

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>>21914644
I'm feeling horny.

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>>21915455
It's a good thing that Kinzo's entrance in Alliance is one of my favorite scenes in Umineko or else this would've been a painful day.

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>>21915741
Is there any bad Kinzo scene? He's a fucking ham who eats more scenery than goats

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>>21899846
Eh, ps3 Akasaka is decent I think. Ps2 Akasaka was the epitome of abomination, though.

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>>21915919
They are both pretty shit, but PS3 Akasaka had absolutely no emotion in his face and always looked pissed off, staring right at the center of the screen for no reason. Scenes where the original sprite was supposed to be expressing all sorts of emotions had the PS3 sprite just stand there like a statue with an ugly pissed off face. Even during cheerful conversations with Ooishi!

What the fuck where they thinking, seriously. It wasn't a patch or anything, it was the actual PS3 version emulated on PC.

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>>21915485
fat

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>>21914646
The only "Ange in the future" scenes I enjoyed were her introduction and the "trick" ending of ep 8.

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>>21915977
I think the problem is that this is his regular smiling sprite. He is actually smiling in this sprite, but the face comes across as really angry instead for some reason

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>>21916356
This is the corresponding sprite in the original game

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>>21914646
I actually liked Alliance, but then again, I can heavily emphasize with Ange.

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>>21916551
Ha ha loser

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>>21916999
im willing to help ange out

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>>21912580
i go out of my way to get my friends to go through higurashi before umineko you sperg

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>>21915977
>>21916356
> but the face comes across as really angry instead for some reason
I don’t see it. He looks fine besides the fat nose.

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>>21915116
Irie was a sick fuck.

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>>21917623
It's not how he looks, it's his complete lack of expression in scenes where the original sprite was smiling and laughing. It jarring as fuck.

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>>21917784
I bet Rosa would arrange for a lobotomy if she could get away with it. She doesn't love Mareea.

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>>21917784
Jesus. What became of this kid?

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>>21914635
I like this a lot, but you could bump it up another level if your understanding of perspective were more solid. some of the lines don't describe the forms quite right. Also, colorshift your shadows for a more natural and appealing lighting situation.

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>>21916551
Same desu. I'd even say that her arc with talking to Marias horocrux, learning how Maria herself became a witch, discovering magic and then rejecting it again, is the part of Umineko that has stuck with me the most.
It shows off the tragic futility of a human trying to make sense of and live in a hostile world, the sort of structural blindness that necessarily drives them further and further into either isolation or a state of progressively greater vulnerability better than anything else Ryukishi has written on that theme. Also, it lays the groundwork for the reader being able to appreciate Ange coming to understand how deeply she hurt Maria by denying Sakutarou and going on a journey to reconcile herself with her past.
The issue with Anges arc isn't the story itself, it's that, at least the first time around, it seems to be utterly disconnected from the causality of the main story, so you're left wondering why you're being taken on a detour instead of focusing on the resolution of Battler and Beatrice's conflict.

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>>21916551
Lewd!

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>>21913107
I can't imagine thinking so highly of yourself that you'd think others are better off dead than living without you yet also wanting to kill yourself

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>>21918344

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>>21918008
>some of the lines don't describe the forms quite right.
like?

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Alchemist did a bunch of weird changes between ps2 and ps4 sprites, expressions that initially were like the original ones were changed into something different, a noticeable one being Mion's infamous :3, which was removed entirely and replaced by this expression.

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>>21918969
The way the shirt rests on her waist and the socks wrap around the ankles as well as the boot that faces away to the side stick out the most to me.

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Also did a little count of Mion's and Shion's original expressions. Mion have 14, Shion have 11. They both have 9 expressions that are copy paster, with 3 exclusive expressions on Mion's side, while they have two similar expressions.

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>>21918576
If it wasn't for the brain damage, Battler and Ange might have really hit it off.

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>>21919129
In some hidden fragment-