Elona Thread

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Old: >>21211473

>New? Start here:
https://pastebin.com/RbQDNtmt

>Mods:
http://pastebin.com/HcTtYVsn

>E+ Changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>Elona Custom Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29851

>Elona+ Custom-G Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>Omake Overhaul English Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28909

>Current Version:
Elona+ 1.89 (2019-04-20)
Elona Omake Overhaul EN (2018-12-14)
>Latest Custom:
E+C 1.89.1 (2019-04-20)
Elona+ Custom-G 1.89.1.1 (2019-04-21)
Omake Overhaul EN Hack final release (2018-12-14)


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[Anonymous No.]

Thanks to the people last thread who helped me out with optimizing my gunner, living weapons are busted as all hell; each zero shoot was dealing ~2500 and I would have cleared floor 15 without any casualties if it wasn't for a few unlucky chaos balls out of the unicorn right as it was about to die.

[Anonymous No.]

This post goes out to the best girl in Elona, Yacatect.

[Anonymous No.]

How much would I be playing with fire if I were to give the <gravitail> to my golden knight? The invokes seem hysterical.

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>>21330664
None, gravitail doesn't do fire and gravity sphere is single target.

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>>21330712
I can't believe gravity *sphere* isn't a ball aoe

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How does it keep healing to full every time its gauge goes off? I've leeched MP from it so far that it gets hit 60k every single basic attack but that fills its gauge pretty quickly giving it another free heal that hurts me like hell.
Says "released the converged energy towards you!" and breathes. So I assume that's a converge breath. But how does that heal it?

This is the third mob that's done this so far. The others I could outpace and kill before they gauge healed. But not this one. Its gauge fills way, way too quickly. I'd have to get it to like -1,000,000 MP at this rate.

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>>21330365
Thats a funny way of spelling ehekatl

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>>21330849
The only ways you can spell ehekatl are funny though. And her face is funny too!

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>>21330854
TAKE THAT BACK OR I WILL SING ON YOUR FACE

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>>21330753
Converge breath has the side effect of increasing one's health. It can even increase it past the HP cap, but only if it starts below the cap. Ano mentioned it as a way to deal with word of death.

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>>21330999
Ah, max hp, not hp cap. So it's not 22MHP or anything.

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>>21330999
Why does it increase health though? Isn't it just an offensive multihit breath attack?
How do I deal with it when the mob gains gauge to heal with faster than I can hurt it even after draining its MP to a pretty far negative?
The most hits I got in a row before it healed to full, for the duration of my entire 15k stock of Jure heal casts (Like an hour of fucking with it), was about 8. Which is kind of ridiculous.

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Is it inevitable that I'll replace the Little Girl I picked when I made my character? Are starting stats a thing or could she be just as powerful given the time?

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>>21331092
It's gonna come down to how much you want to invest into her. She has some very good evolutions assuming you're not on vanilla, but it's realistically going to take a while for you to find the right hearts to evolve her.
You will find that she grows into a more supportive role with those evolutions, since they give her synergy with larger parties, and her direct combat power does fall off compared to some other options.

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>>21331043
Breath using enemies are supposed to be strong. According to the changelog it increases HP by 1/3:

Converge Breath gauge attack will now increase current HP by 1/3. This increases HP, but is not a healing move. It may increase HP beyond the maximum until HP gets recalculated. HP will not be increased if current HP already exceeds maximum HP.

So, be able to do more damage than that, our use things than lower gauge % on enemies. I think one of the wide area actions lowers gauge%. I think it's disturbance?

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>>21331092
In vanilla Elona your pets will eventually hit a wall in their growth and fall behind you, but in plus and oomsest they can grow as fast as, if not faster than you. Taking a little girl to the late game isn't optimal in either mod, but if you want to keep her around you can 100% make it work.

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What's the living weapon elemental damage tier list? Magic and nerve seem obvious but I don't actually know much about general resistances other than those being rare.

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>>21332020
In plus everything eventually gets a ton of resistance to every element except magic, so that's the easiest and most reliable option. Supposedly some elements can overcome their resistances to outdamage magic if you stack enough debuffs, like applying element scar and wet status before using lightning.
Elements that inflict status ailments are really good early on but become less useful over time. Chaos is probably the best element to use for ailments since it can inflict almost anything.
I say just go with magic.

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Did the anon who made his own "less grind" mod that he stuck on top of Custom G update it for the newer version?

It seemed like an interesting thing to make up for my lack of hours and hours to play the game lately.

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>>21332067
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:30363

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My game opens the character report file whenever i load in saisd character.
Whats the deal? it doesn't let me play just keeps opening more files whenever i try to click on the game tab.

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>>21332060
Thanks, do you know if there's any way to avoid bloodsucking enchantments at level 11 onwards?

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>>21332077
Many thanks. Though I fear I might be retarded for not seeing it on the wiki in the first place.

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>>21330008
Collageanon is back?
or is this an old pic of his?

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What's with the electrical impulse that pops over my ally's head and makes a noise sometimes when I kill a monster?

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>>21332901
Older pic unfortunately.

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>>21333077
ah

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>>21332982
AP gain. Really useful stuff.

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>Traveling has been significantly improved in Elona+. Monster difficulty is no longer tied to experience. It is now Speed based

Can anyone explain this to me in more detail? What exactly is affected by scaling? Are the monsters themselves becoming stronger, or this thing just affects random encounters and levels of generated dungeons?
Does it scale of original speed, or current speed after modifiers?

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An actual win screen. My dick

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>>21333207
I think it is current speed after mods. I use Kaneda bike and the speed jump was massive compared to the horse before.

Now I get "Orc" level random encounters noticeably more often.

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>>21333207
Pretty sure it's just the random encounters. Dungeon levels seem largely based on the highest level monster you've killed before; seen on the [c]haracter sheet as "Defeat".

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>>21333371
Yeah I love win screens.
My current one is embarrassingly high because I love grinding so much and just kept putting it off. But still made me happy to see it as expected.

Come to think of it, I forgot to kill the chaos child there and never got his sword, card, or figure. So I have the Storm Bringer but not the Mournblade. That kind of sucks. Guess I won't have the power to destroy the world eh.

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How do I change the riding PCC sprite? it looks so fucking ugly.

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>>21333741
Can you not get it on amur-cage?

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>>21333808
Pretty sure he's not there since he's technically not a boss to kill but rather just an NPC to talk to. Same should be the case for the chaos follower, since you only really need to kill the unicorn to move on rather than him, if I remember correctly.

Could probably mod him in somehow, or just cheat and elosnack stuff, but that would leave a bad taste. Probably worse than missing missables in the first place.

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>>21333823
Well that's a shame.
the weapon isn't even that good anyways

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>>21333829
Yeah I know. I just like collecting.

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>>21331442
Strong, I get that. It just seems like bullshit rather than strength.
I mean, given that so much gauge is given from getting hit, especially from getting hit hard, giving power to heal from that is kind of overpowered in that the harder you go against it the more power it gets.

I'll try skills the next time I come against one, thanks.
From testing against other non-breath bosses, disturbance doesn't seem very effective since it eats the gauge from the player to reduce the same amount. Which requires the player to gain faster than the target, in which case I could just outpace it with MP drain eventually overpowering it from overcasting.
But the various Persuasion type [W]ide skills seem to work better, to some degree. Though they only reduce gauge by 10%, most gauge raising came from it getting hit rather than hitting me, so it might be good enough. Plus those chances at status effects that go against resistances.
All options moderately eat through stamina though. Could offset that by carrying around some soma, I guess. Delicious soma; a gramme is better than a damn.

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I've seen people recommend oomSEST version in the last thread but I don't see that version mentioned in either the OP or the pastebin. I'd guess it's Omake Overhaul EN but that version seems pretty old compared to the others, any big reasons why people prefer that one?
I've played E+C before but never Omake.

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>>21332085
You can't in plus. Either stop and level 10 or live with it.

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>>21334894
oomsest is a later mod based on omake overhaul. omake and its descendents are a lot more like vanilla elona than plus is. platinum costs to learn skills are very high and potential is much harder to maintain. there's no act 2 and while you can visit south tyris, it's pretty much empty.

cool things about omake mods are that there are more types of dungeons with gimmicks that make them a lot more interesting, like a thieves hideout where every enemy is human and most are thieves of some kind, and the dungeon is full of extra dangerous traps and extra rewarding chests. there are dungeons where magic can't be used and dungeons where physical damage can't be used. there are zealot dungeons full of town npcs are human and try to kill anyone who worships a different god. stuff like that, they're generally more rewarding than generic nefia. npc adventurers also show up in dungeons and you can team up with them or get them overwhelmed by monsters so they die and you can loot their stuff.

there are tons of new feats that make character building a lot more interesting. most of them are combat-oriented like specializing in a specific weapon, counterattacking when dodging, or auto-reviving once per day, but there are also non-combat specializations like singing and prostitution. there are penalty feats that weaken your character in some way, but give you an extra feat point for taking them.

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>>21334894
It's this:
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Omake_Overhaul_modify_Sukutu_Edition_South_Tyris

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Trying to use custom music (the Etrian Odyssey pack, specifically) and there's a weird, messed up noise like what a digital record scratch would sound like whenever it switches tracks. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix it? I'd be fine with just going back to default music, but I've used custom music before and don't remember anything like this happening.

Also, I noticed there's a gray-ish bar underneath enemy HP and MP now, what is that? Stamina?

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>>21335062
>Also, I noticed there's a gray-ish bar underneath enemy HP and MP now, what is that? Stamina?
Gauge. Kind of like a special attack, or adrenaline bar, I guess.
You can see it in orange on monsters that actually have a gauge attack. And it can also go white then green on some. But if it's grey it doesn't do anything.

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>>21335092
Ah, I see, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

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Is there a way to get the evolved catsister to stop using emergency evasion? I'd swear she spams it and lose multiple turns as a result.

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>>21334555
Well, think of it this way. You can also use converge breath and a load a of other breath skills when you choose the fire breath feat. If it's really that strong, you get to abuse it too.

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>>21335473
I don't have trouble healing though. So such a thing would not be useful to me.

And it's only really a problem with monsters with much higher stats than me. These ones with around what I have are reasonable.
Sadly the anti-gauge abilities don't seem to work very well without [skill]+Negotiation being higher than the target's. That probably balances out around the 2k cap though.

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>>21336115
Ah, so things with twice your stats are too strong for you.

...whats the problem again?

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Anyone here play a challenge game? I know of the snail tourist challenge but I was wondering if other people found fun challenges to do.

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>>21336195
What was pretty fun for me was having other people here decide various things about my character, like who I can bring with me or what I use to defeat enemies. Oh and race and class.

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>>21336458
Snail tourist with kamakaze yeek?

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Any recommendations for south tyris pets other than the super bells (haven't seen any since I started investing in the monster ball shop)? I'm gearing up to start clearing out the forts of chaos/doggod forest now that the meshera angel is dead.

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>>21336463
It was priest but yeah.

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>>21336195
Snail tourist with no gene file and no pets. For the ultimate "I built myself up from nothing" feeling. (Whether shopkeepers or ranch breeders count as "pets" is up to you. Normally you need a ranch to make picnic baskets, but these days you can get eggs by mining in a Nest-type Nefia.)

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>>21336195
Ironman, permadeath, and no gene file.

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>>21336580
>Snail tourist with no gene file and no pets
What do you even do with such character for the first like 10 hours? Hell, how do you even survive rank 1 ambushes with that?

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>>21336503
One of the best pets in general is the defender because once per rest they can prevent the death of one party member, excluding themselves but including you. You can get away with a lot more risks with one around. It's a good idea to equip them defensively so they're not the first to die.

I don't know of anything besides the defender with a really outstanding ability, but any pet that can gain AP easily is viable late game since you can get high life, high speed, barrier, and chara quality up.

Most of the god pets are good. Cute fairies can get you seeds. Black cats can bless items dropped by enemies it kills. Androids only take 25% of physical damage. Black angels can insult and speed boost themselves. Golden knights can carry a huge amount of weight without being slowed down. The goose can create some extra platinum for you. The exile can cast multiple spells in one turn - I've never taken one to late game in E+ so I don't know if that ability scales well or poorly. They're good early game though. Defender is the best but none of them are bad.

I'm not sure what you mean by super bells, but the bell of termination is another top tier option. 2000 speed and huge resistances to most types of damage. The downside is they have 1 life and it will be difficult if not impossible to raise their AP. They also are unsuitable for riding like all bells. Equipping a set of rubynus equipment is good enough to offset their 1 life though. They don't come with many slots so use gene engineering to add the slots you want.

For riding, a good pet sequence is yowyn horses -> giraffe -> xeren auto tank -> yerles conbat plane. Usually I get enough AP to raise my own speed pretty high by that point so I stop riding. There are some pets that can beat 800 speed, but not many.

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>>21336900
Does anyone play Elona with permadeath? I feel like you'd have to know the game inside out or never take any risk by checking in the wiki every encounter to not die in this game.

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>>21336941
>What do you even do with such character for the first like 10 hours? Hell, how do you even survive rank 1 ambushes with that?
"I want it" quests and you don't.

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>>21336978
>Does anyone play Elona with permadeath? I feel like you'd have to know the game inside out or never take any risk by checking in the wiki every encounter to not die in this game.
I do, and Plus has permadeath as a difficulty option so it's not just me. It's definitely better not to play that way until you're familiar with the game though. I keep a defender around and take barrier in plus or guts in oomsest, so that nothing can take me down in less than three hits no matter how strong it is. With that kind of buffer you don't need to be super conservative.

A lot of the roguelike fundamentals are applicable to playing permadeath Elona. Always have reliable escape and healing options. It's good to know the teleport spell, but since it gets shut down by status ailments it's a good idea to also have a rod of teleport or dimensional move.

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>>21336941
>What do you even do with such character for the first like 10 hours?
Try to reach the Truce Ground and convert to Lulwy. Gradually start working toward being able to make picnic baskets so your potentials aren't stuck at Hopeless. Avoid combat entirely. Equip glass items. Hope to catch lucky breaks. (A Vernis->Palmia "Before it's too late" quest with a time limit of 4 or 5 days should be doable.)
>Hell, how do you even survive rank 1 ambushes with that?
Lulwy's Trick, then Dimensional Move.

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>>21336978
It's fun to do some permadeath runs to help you measure things better. Although I have never really made it far with a permadeath character, since I don't really pay attention and die of starvation damage quite often.

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>>21336184
The problem is that usually such things can be overcome with strategy and resources. Mobs with 3-4x stats, and even gods can be slayed reasonably as such.
It's quite frustrating to come to a healing wall from a mechanic that gets more effective the more damage you do against the target. And having to leave a 2x mob unkilled when I can normally face 3-4x fine, just due to that.

But really, I'm mostly just salty about blowing an hour, 15k Jure stock, and something like 100 mana rods on it, with MP drain to overcast it, trying to figure a way to beat it.
Then also finding out even the anti-gauge options don't drain accurately or fast enough anyway.

Surely I'll get over it, yeah. But finding a strategy to beat it would definitely be better.

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>>21337642
You could probably just get several ammos with time stop, and keep it from ever getting a turn, if it means that much to you.

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Can't get music to work on linux (it seems to be problems with midi files)
I tried this:
timidity -Os -iA
and it doesn't work. What do?

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>>21337782
Did you use winetricks to install the windows midi stuff?

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>>21337797
Nope. Ok, which ones are they?

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>>21337804
There's like 3-5 with midi in the description. I'd just nab 'em all.

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>>21337807
Do I just download and run wine afterwards, or is there something else I have to do?

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>>21337823
You'd download wine first, then make sure winetrix finds it. Otherwise, once they're installed from winetricks, you should be set.

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>>21337688
Yeah that could work. I think I currently have 10 shots total of that.
And yeah it does mean a lot to me. It's a challenge I can't quite figure out, after a lot of grind and preparation. Clearly not enough though, so that's motivation for more.

Also reconsidering how gauge works.
I don't think it can pass 95-97% from incoming damage alone, so it should indeed have to get a hit off on me to max that.
Pushing resistances to an absurd level might work to prevent that, though that would feasibly mean either unlocking and using artifact fusion (Time to continue the story I guess) or having several specialized living weapon resistance sticks.
Then as long, as it doesn't pass a 100% threshold, it should drop down when out of sight just like it does for the player. So staying out of sight for as long as possible could fix that, after definitely avoiding letting it get to 100%.
Though it would often get 60-80% from being hit once (Much of the frustration comes from that), and it does drain slow as heck out of sight, that could be one solution. Healing isn't usually strong enough to overcome that.

But I still don't get WHY it heals. Like, it's just a convergence of breath.
Not really expecting realism, but the logistics of the matter don't make sense. If it's supposed to be super powerful then it should hit super hard instead, or maybe bypass some resistances.

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>>21337865
I imagine it heals, because ano wanted a tanky strong mob, rather than one that does tons of damage. But, could still be dealt with when at higher levels. Or he just threw it in 'cause.

As for gauge, mobs will increase gauge passively as long as they see you, from the .89 changelog:

Changed the mechanic where NPCs had their power gauge increased by 15% if they did nothing during their turn while in combat.

Enemy and friendly NPCs will now have their power gauge increased only if their target is in their sight.
This means that they will no longer build up their power gauge out of your sight before engaging you.

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>>21337804
Just encountered the same problem. You'll definitely need directmusic and gmdls.

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>>21337991
Note: command wine64 regsvr32 quartz.dll returned status 5. Aborting.

Help what do?

[Anonymous No.]

my character weighs 1 kg how do i fix this

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>>21338589
I'm not sure if you can weigh less than 1, but if you can, drinking a bunch of cursed booze should do the trick.

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>>21338589
Eat filling foods when your character isn't hungry. Stop drinking alcohol. Stop eating unidentified food. Stop drinking unidentified potions. Don't eat or drink anything cursed.

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Do people usually go with Custom-G? Or just Custom?
Haven't played this before. I'm just curious which one is considered the best by most

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>>21339439
I would recommend starting on Elona+ and staying on E+. As a newcomer you'll get the least headaches and likely enjoy the game more.

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>>21339735
>As a newcomer you'll get the least headaches and likely enjoy the game more.
Why is that? What headaches would Custom introduce?

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>>21339439
I much prefer Custom-G.
The limited machine translation is better than placeholders for what little isn't translated. The nerfs it removes are quite silly.
It's the Elona+ I remember and love, rather than what Ano seems to want to rebalance it to be.

As far as I know, the only two pieces of content (Not just straight nerfs) it has removed, and not just made into a tweak option, are thirst/piss and the Curtain Call anti-AFK. Both of which are mostly just mechanics but also have items.
>>21339758
Pretty sure he misread that and thought the question was whether people went for those or other forks.

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>>21339770
>Both of which are mostly just mechanics but also have items.
*items or monsters and an event respectively

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>>21339779
The only real loss there is being able to make an encounter canceller. There was also the bomb barrel, but it had its recipe changed instead. (What would an alternate encounter canceller recipe be?)

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>>21339770
What WAS the Curtain Call anti-afk mechanic?
I don't even know if I encountered it before, because I don't know what it is.

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So does OOMSEST have the E+ post-lesimas content or is it an OO fork which implements its own post-Lesimas content?

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>>21339865
Yeah. It's not a tangibly important loss unless you care about fetishism roleplay or viewing the Curtain Call event; maybe taking the latter as a challenge to actually kill.
>>21339954
Someone described it pretty well a couple threads ago I think. Basically if you stand still and attack something for like 10k turns it pushes an event, kind of like ragnarok but far more dangerous, with really powerful quickling enemies of some kind. I think those mobs can only be found in Curtain Call, but am not entirely sure.
The poster claimed to have beaten it with time stop shenanigans I think.

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>>21340016
It's an OO fork and it doesn't have much more post-Lesimas content than vanilla. Its standard enemies scale up to 5x their base levels outside of the void and special nefia. Its special nefia scale enemies up indefinitely. It makes all gods are summonable and killable, and there's a super duper ultimate boss version of Ehekatl deep in the void.

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>>21340042
I'm pretty sure that all that happens with Curtain Call normally is that a monster called Last Dancer appears and uses a "if target==player and player==idle then player=dead" spact.
You might be thinking of the anniversary ragnarok event.

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What should I go for for the level up boost of this living laser gun?

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>>21341459
>>21332060

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>>21341491
Thanks. I'm guessing stack resistances otherwise?

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>>21336503
Bell of termination is IMO the best pet in the game

and my waifu

[Anonymous No.]

Hey anons, can anyone explain what this thing is supposed to mean? I originally thought it was gauge, but apparently low level monsters are not supposed to have it. But then... what is it?

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>>21341634
Fuck, the pic didnt attach

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>>21341565
Use a non-primary weapon for resistances. Something in the ranged slot if you melee primarily, in the hand slot if you range primarily.
Eventually you'll find enough armour for resistances and/or finish that off with artifact fusion.
>>21341634 >>21341642
Gauge now shows on mobs without gauge attacks as well. If it's grey then it's MOSTLY just cosmetic. Though it does effect some negotiation [W]ide skill/s, that's quite niche.
For a version or two it would also show on enemy mimics, but that has since been fixed.

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>>21341674
What should I choose for the weapon level up beside magic++ dmg in that case?

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>>21341703
You can push nothing but magic damage for every single level and that would generally work great. It actually doesn't cap at ##### and just keeps going up.
And like he said, you could go with other elements too if you want. They have very beneficial effects early on, and can be powerful with status ailments like nightmare and elemental scar, but just don't scale as well as magic to the end game.

Stat levels, like say perception for ranged, work very very well at low levels to increase accuracy and damage. Probably amazing for inheritance.

Crit chance is kind of nice, but that caps off at a certain Eye of Mind level. Like at 700 something Eye of Mind crit bonus doesn't do anything, as far as I understand it. Before that it's pretty nifty.

Chance at absolute piercing seems to scale pretty well in the end game, even after mobs get magic resistance. Though it's generally not as useful as straight magic bonus.

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>>21341703
>beside magic++ dmg
If you want to kill enemies with a weapon, put nothing but magic damage in it. If you don't want to kill enemies with a weapon, put no magic damage in it. There's no "besides magic damage".

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>>21341742
Well, strictly speaking, lighting and ice damage can do more than magic, if you debuff and wet the enemy, and they don't have any extra resists above the level bonus.

But, I'd still recommend plain magic damage too. It's a lot more convenient.

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>>21341738
>>21341742
Thanks, I didn't know magic dmg++ had no cap.

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>>21341866
If you're playing Custom(-G?), once you get the objet of heart from an easy quest in South Tyris, you can set it to show specific stat amounts beside the vague #####+, like #####+ (1800) for all 9 levels. In the [esc] Tweaks menu.

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>>21341459
If you're not a gunner then either stack it with boosts to your main attack skill and/or resistances to a variety of different elements.

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>>21341826
Is charge really crazy useful?

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>>21341881
>>21341887
Thanks. I'm a gunner. I got it from the pot of fusion.

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>>21341934
Oh, yeah, if you're not going to fire it then use it for secondary boosts and resistances for sure. Magic damage on that won't make your melee do extra magic damage.

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>>21341940
Whoops, misread that as not a gunner, I'm retarded.

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>>21341890
Not really. It's main use is in finishing off enemies that just. won't. die. like meshera alpha. If you're a gunner it might be more useful, since enhances charging enchant makes it do 15x damage after 10 turns, plus it buffs range multipliers. But you'd still need to sit there for 10 turns hoping nothing hits you.

I just used it there to see what the highest damage numbers I could get were. I was trying to hit overflow damage, but I guess it was fixed at some point.

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>>21341967
That sounds really useful to me. Both for killing tanky stuff and seeing pretty high numbers.
>enhances charging enchant
Do you have to have that? What damage is it otherwise, just 10x?
Does it stack with gauge release attacks?

I'll get that next though for sure. Since my speed and life are maxed for AP at my current place in the story.

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>>21342021
Enhances charging is ranged only, from what I can tell, so I don't have it there. It's 10x for 10 turns normally. I think it stacks with most normal damage things, but invokes don't work like you can see with gravity sphere.

One thing to keep in mind, it only makes the very first hit do extra damage. Not even multihit gets the boost, as you can see my damage drops right after the furthermore. So it's not exactly 10x damage. If you have 4 multihits, then you'd get 10x on the first, and 1x on the next three. So, 4x damage -> 13x damage for just over 3x total.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21342021
Your charging gets interrupted if you get attacked by anything during your 10 turns. It's really not very good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21343164
Oh. You can't get attacked at all? Like not even hit, where evasion could help prevent it, but attacked at all?
So you have to be 10x the target's speed, make it sleep, or use charge as a first hitter?
Then that really sucks. But I'll still probably get it to see high numbers in rare cases.

[Anonymous No.]

Which of the music packs fits the best?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21343190
>Oh. You can't get attacked at all? Like not even hit, where evasion could help prevent it, but attacked at all?
Well I'm not sure about that, but it's unreliable either way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21339069
It's not working, sir! Blessed stomafillias, horse steaks, none of it works!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21343998
What version are you on? Cursed potions of slow cause weight gain in Plus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21343998
Livestock feed.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish I could have cute NPCs, portraits, sprites, and evochat and such without implementing it all myself.

[Anonymous No.]

I messed up. I ruined Derphy. I can't even kill cubes at level 25.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21345699
Well go level up somewhere else then. Puppy cave is always safe for a massive fallback.
If you're okay with essentially using debug/cheat tools, you could just reset Derphy by holding [Backspace] while [Enter]ing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21345766
That's not even necessary. Just leave, wait a week, and come back, and the cubes should be gone.

[Anonymous No.]

did elona+ disable burning altars?

[Anonymous No.]

first god heart goes on the black angel, and second one goes on the android, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21330008
the e+ vanilla download in the pastebin is down?

[Anonymous No.]

Does drinking milk do anything? It makes the same sound when I gain resistances but the log doesn't mention anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21348478
Blessed milk makes you a big boy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21348478
Cursed milk makes you a small boy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21336972
>>21341606
>dominate a bell of termination, slap some arms and hands onto it along with a couple ruby equipment items i had lying around
>it solos estork the doggod while I mash healing hands every couple turns
I've recruited something significantly stronger than myself

[Anonymous No.]

>give up on making midi files work
>throw in a music pack into user/music
>now I get the original songs

How do I get the modded music to work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21348735
Dumb user detected

[Anonymous No.]

If you leave the boss floor without killing the boss does it despawn? I can't find the boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21348747
Well, I figured out that I need the music and null.txt but now when I open it the game just slows down, tries to open the music, then plays nothing. Why?

[Anonymous No.]

So I just found out that body parts from ranches are useless in necromancy. They only make cats. A pity, here I was thinking I found a clever way to get high tier undead earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

What are deed of property transfer deeds for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21349822
To transfer your properties.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21349822
lets you move your buildings on the overworld

[Anonymous No.]

>>21347475
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw accidentally give your pets small medals
At least it only gives one instead of the whole stack.

[Anonymous No.]

what the hell do i do during etherwind?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21352517
Work out or go outside and become horribly mutated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21352517
Enter some kind of shelter and either work out or read a textbook.
Houses, buildable shelters, accessable shelters from the town inns, and dungeons all work fine. Probably other property too. General rule of thumb, if you can't see the whether effect (And it's turned on, without the weather everywhere tweak) you're safe.
Town inns' shelters inherently include exercise machines and a random textbook. Others you'd have to provide your own.
Shelters, inn or buildable, do not make your character hungry as time passes. Everywhere else does.

Outside of those locations you'll build up ether mutations pretty quickly.

Once you have enough cure corruption potions you can just work through it if you want. Moving from dungeon to dungeon and whatnot isn't too troublesome.
Or you could savescum if you're gay enough for that.

I'm in etherwind right now, dungeon hopping. 4/5 dungeons so far have given me 1-2 cure corruption potions. So that's cool.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to completely remove the stuttering when you walk around tagged to your pet? I tried changed the walk speed and it's not as bad as before but it's still noticeable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353410
There's stuttering? What kind?
I've had smooth scroll completely off for ages now to make it faster and more like rogue. Though it is not smooth, nothing really stutters at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353446
It's really noticeable walking on the world map for me. There's a slight pause with every step I take.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21349094
I'm pretty sure that deal is for Necro Remodel.

[Anonymous No.]

did elona+ change disguise? when i go into guilds after zapping away the guard i get the alarm and everyone hostile even with incognito on

[Anonymous No.]

>>21356609
Apply the disguise after going in to fool the normies. The guild master and other uniques will see through your disguise no matter what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21353410
I don't think there's a way. It's too annoying to use regularly. I only tag with a pet for raising low level pets and for AP farming.

[Anonymous No.]

>hard rain
>hit my statue of lulwy, feed my pets before i go back out to dungeon crawl
>it transitioned back to hard rain
lulwy you lazy ass bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>21356802
so it's impossible to get guild trainer specific skills without joining?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358019
The guild trainer is a normy, so it's fine. The guild master *should* be the only unique in each guild.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358019
you can get them, you'll just have to be able to survive long enough to get the skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358019
You can still access the trainers fine, long as you can survive and evade the leaders.

You can also just find scrolls of gain attribute and bless those so they guarantee a skill you don't already have. Which actually works for pets too.
It's still random though, so you need to unlock other skills first, to use a ton of them, or to savescum.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to try necromancy, but I have been playing for like 3 game years and never saw any coffins for sale. Is there no way to get them, other than stealing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358220
Coffins show up in shops that sell furniture, it's rare but you should have seen one by now.

If you're on the newest version, the graveyard theme dungeons can also generate coffins on the floor, and you can use the 3 static dungeons to get them.

Beyond that, you get a few starter coffins from the lumiest graveyard, and you can recycle undead coffins to upgrade them, so you only need the starting batch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21358329
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

So I've been wondering for awhile, is there any way to use an NPC sprite in place of the PC sprite? I ask this because trying out riding for the first time on a Yerles Conbat Plane only to end up on a tiny little potato horse was the most disappointed I had ever been in Elona. I guess I was just expecting the game to use the Conbat Plane's sprite instead. I know you can make custom ride sprites, but the size is pretty limited, being 32 x 48 instead of 48 x 48 or 48 x 95 for the larger NPCs.

I haven't really been able to find much information about this. Do most people just not care? Is it not practical? Not feasible? Even if Riding is of debatable usefulness, I've always wanted to do a pilot playthrough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21359502
I don't know that it would be possible to replace your pc only while riding but you could make a new sprite to replace the base model, although you'd have to modify the riding sprite as well so that it wouldn't conflict with your look.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21359502
Set it up so you're always in the same position on the screen then print out the picture you want and tape it over your monitor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21359556
That wouldn't work since the field edges won't scroll into the screen; once you reach the border the player moves toward it. Even if you have the centering option on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21359566
Yes, this is certainly the most reasonable objection to my proposal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21359525
Thanks, but I believe that suffers from the same size limitations as the riding sprites. 32 x 48 is quite small, and even a lot of the moderately-sized NPC sprites wouldn't fit. You could get away with doing that for the human-sized ones, though.

>>21359556
Maybe I should just play the entire game inside my head like some people do with chess.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to fast-track pets up to the current quality of my crew or is it babysitting in low level dungeons and farm food grind? It's comfy but I've been working on a couple lads for a hot minute. Gene engineering just helps their life, not the rest of their stats/skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21360121
Gene engineering helps their stats if the gene donor has higher stats.

If you're playing plus, feed them herbed food at every opportunity. Tag them with yourself or a strong pet and go somewhere where you can get a lot of AP quickly. The early levels of the void are usually good. Use evochat to give them gold so they can train their skill potentials. It's been a while but I think pets in plus get skill points upon leveling up? If so, spend their points on their most relevant skills while their potential is high and they should catch up fairly quickly.

In oomsest feed your pet god-blessed food and god-blessed meat buns. For food you should mass produce puff puff bread from piles of gold on the ground and bless it all at once. Kumiromi and Inari are the best choices since they increase every main stat. For the meat buns you're better off raising a secondary stat, usually I get mine blessed by lulwy or mani so they increase speed.

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>>21360381
I'm on plus, so I'll start with the herbs and void. I've been keeping up with evochat and skill potential so their actual skills are alright, but I was completely unaware of the AP farming that you can do by piggybacking them. Skill points don't come with levels afaik, but they're leveling pretty fast. Thanks for the help.

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>>21360484
Yeah if two characters are in a tag team and one gets a kill, the other gets half of the AP they'd have gotten if they had made the kill on their own. It's very useful for powerleveling.

[Anonymous No.]

This was on /tg/ and reminded me of Elona.
https://talktotransformer.com/ if you want to try it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21360611
Blackmail the game master into declaring you the winner?

[Anonymous No.]

New to the game, what do I do about this? I'm playing Plus

[Anonymous No.]

Getting back into the game, what's the definitive version?
Is E+ still garbage? Did thatt C++ rewrite go anywhere?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361073
Early game typically revolves around making a shitload of money in order to buy a house and hire magic vendors, which you then invest into until about rank 300. You can also invest into the Palmian potion vendor, but that's a hike from your starting cave.
This is the point where they'll stock potions of potential with some regularity. After that, bottles of water can be blessed by dropping them onto altars dedicated to your current god (empty altar if eyth) and then mixed with any item to bless it. Bottles of water are uncommon dungeon items and can also be sold by magic vendors.
Blessed potions of potential will raise all of your stats' potential significantly, which is how you fix that. Good methods of making money early game are cargo routes, e.g. taking tuna cargo from port kapul to noyel and selling them at a profit to the trader. Check adventurers you meet for the <super lure>, which makes fishing a very good source of income if you can trade them for it. Make sure to get the traveling skill, because that's a great source of exp for you and your other skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361094
Thanks, that helps. I'm supposed to find a pet with cooking or something as well, aren't I?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361090
I hear good things about custom-g re: removing thirst meter, reverting some nerfs, and adding machine translations, although I personally don't have enough problems with E+ to make the switch. Either should be a decent option.

>>21361102
You can learn cooking yourself from the trainer in vernis(or yowyn or noyel), and train it in the room to the right of the innkeeper with the food maker. Note that you can (B)ash fruit trees to harvest their succulent produce, which also acts as training fodder for cooking.
Make sure to get your food identified before eating it, because cursed food causes you to puke and lose stats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361113
Yeah I've learned cooking myself, but I heard you can get stat potentials by having a pet cook breakfast for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361121
If you're at level 10 or higher, you can scoot west to derphy and buy a rogue wizard from the slave trader in the NE corner of the city. They have cooking, and later in the game when you've got gene engineering you'll be able to give it to your other pets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361135
That was it. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361090
>Did thatt C++ rewrite go anywhere?
Someone on Linux tried messing with it several threads ago. Had to fix a few coding errors to get it to compile. It worked, but after that he tried modding the Doujou into the game, and nothing he tried to add a new area to the overworld map worked.
Right now it's basically just a way to play vanilla Elona natively on Linux. WINE already had that covered. Still, it's open source, so there's the possibility that someone could fork and improve it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361185
Why fork it? It's under active development, just submit a pull request.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361219
There was a months-old pull request to fix the aforementioned errors last I looked. I think it's abandoned, not active.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, does (herb) food just train stats and not potentials?
Did I just waste 3 herbs on my all hopless/bad char?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361720
If I remember correctly, it raises potentials slightly but barely enough to matter. It is mostly, if not all, for gaining stats while you have potentials yeah.
Kind of a waste yeah but whatever. You'll get more. Especially if you have a farm going and lots of herb seeds.

Focus on what the other guys said to focus on; money making for the future, and cooking for both money and covering hunger for now.
But probably save the herbs (And (herb) in herbs/food) until you've at least good/great, preferably superb, in the skills you want to raise. Or eventually all skills, once potions of potential are more common enough to ensure that.
Unless you're hungry and that's your only identified food. Better to eat and waste than to starve. Try to avoid that by having a fair stock though.

[Anonymous No.]

So, I made a keyconfig for playing with just 1 hand but for some reason without using the numpad for movement your characters stops for a bit after 1 tile when moving in some direction while with numpad you'll smoothly continue moving does anyone know how to fix that besides making an autohotkey script to remap numpad to movement keys?
The config file I'm using:
https://pastebin.com/uiskMgdB

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361320
>Release/0.4.0
>#1278 opened 2 days ago by ki-foobar
a strange form of abandonment

[Anonymous No.]

>>21360611

[Anonymous No.]

Why can she survive a nuke?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361090
>Getting back into the game, what's the definitive version?
Either OOMSEST or Elona+ Custom G.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361073
Don't worry about it too much for now. E+ potential is hard to keep up in the early game and very easy in the mid game. When you do get potions of potential, make sure to bless them before drinking.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok. I have to ask of the people who have gotten to act 4 of Elona+. Does it seem from what little bit is there that act 4 will be the last act?
The stupid story has kept me playing this longer than any other grindathon/roguelike/roguelite, and was curious if there was any definitive end coming in the next decade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21364056
It currently seems like it setting the stage for a multiverse, and has fixed overflow damage, which is a bit worrying. Why is he adding support for more than 20M damage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21364076
Obviously Ano is setting up for his own retarded tournament of power.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I tell how high a skill is worth raising before dumping my plat into something else instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21363325
because e+ muh esports balance autism, just kill her in party time

[Anonymous No.]

>>21364293
Most skills don't really have stopping points. Everything you're going to use you want to raise as high as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21363325
Because nukes deal fixed damage that can be resisted and characters get much more HP per level in Plus than in vanilla.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21364076
Huh. I don't know how a multiverse could be used for Elona.
Unless you have one really terrible thing coming from 1 or many universes to invade "ours", but that would make the rest irrelevant.

Or, an idea that will likely never happen.
>You finish act 4 and save the multiverse or whatever
>Rifts/chaos/plot device over takes you
>You wake up the cave from the very beginning, but... different
>Now you have been placed in a parallel universe to yours with nothing but the clothes on your back.
>It is basically new game plus, with everything in act 1 being scaled up to act 4 strength.
>You can stop or you can fight your way back through hell to act 4 again.
>repeat until the stats get too big for the code to handle and you "win"

[Anonymous No.]

>>21365204
That sounds like crazy hard grinding padding for no real purpose.

Could definitely have the player move through the multiverse, playing roles in different universes, ever expanding the story in that aspect. But it'd get more and more difficult to care about each individually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21365204
It gets explained at the end of act 3 and the start of act 4. (At least in Custom-G.)

[Anonymous No.]

Thanks for the help, Big Daddy.
Almost didn't want to kill him afterward. Oh well. He was near dead anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21348231
Use the back up link (BloodyShade)

[Anonymous No.]

If I get a living weapon to level 25 (using the custom gfu variant) would it be best to go full magic damage, or would it be worth it to invest some absolute pierce or vorpal THEN the rest in magic damage?

[Anonymous No.]

Do the scarecrows do anything for your farm or can I get rid of them? Keep accidentally picking them up while harvesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>21366424
If you bring a house board/cash register to the farm, it has an option to harvest/replant your entire field at once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21366450
Nice, thanks for the tip.

[Anonymous No.]

Do items that've despawned go anywhere? I took the ambitious scientist quest but didn't realize he didn't put the balls in my inventory but on the ground until it was too late

[Anonymous No.]

>>21366468
In to the void afaik.
Could be worse, I'm pretty sure I've had the ice box despawn on me.

[Anonymous No.]

Finally got my first blessed pot of potential, apparently they appear at shop rank ~100 too.
Feels good man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21366468
That is a crappy shirt. I want it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21366394
Actually, better question. How much vorpal or absolute pierce enchantment would it take for either of them to be "worth it" for act 3/4 content?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21368321
Mathemagically speaking, 4% vorpal is roughly equivalent to 4% pierce, to your long term damage. Vorpal caps at around 5,000 enchant, so each extra 200 vorpal is 4%. Now this overrides your normal pierce, it doesn't stack with it. So if you have a light saber, you'd have 100% with a 4% chance of 100%. Even in the best case where you have a 0% pierce nunchuck, it's a 4% bonus damage, with diminishing returns for each extra pierce.

Now, technically, mobs get a tiny percent of peirce reduction based on armor skill that doesn't work on vorpal. It's 1% pierce reduction every 50 levels, capped at half the weapon's pierce. So, a capped enemy with 2000 armor, would reduce pierce by up to 30%. So, your lightsabre example would average 70% with 100% 4% of the time, or 71.2% on average. Totally not worth it. Every 4% peirce beyond that would give diminishing returns, and it's already as tiny as 2% bonus damage, against capped enemies. It'll do less extra damage the weaker the enemy is.

100 points of magic enchant are pretty close to 10% bonus damage, that admittedly also have diminishing returns. But, even with 1000 enchant, another 100 is 5% extra damage. You'd need 1250 enchant and 0% peirce for vorpal to be more effective than stacking magic damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21368505
Oof. That is even worse than I imagined.
I take it it is just as bad for absolute pierce?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21368541
... I just covered absolute pierce with that. But it is immune to the pierce nerf, to my knowledge. Doesn't save it. Only stack absolute pierce on armor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21368505
Thank you, math dude.
So it's pretty much never ever worth it?
What about against monsters with severe magic resistance?
A guy was saying months ago that absolute pierce scales better than straight magic damage in the end game act3-4 stuff due to magic resistances. But given the numbers there that would have to be some pretty crazy resistance to be true.

Now I want to grind out another weapon for straight magic damage instead though. Preferably still having drain MP. Long term goal at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21368585
It's very rare that magic damage is resisted, beyond the level bonus. The 100 for 10% is with normal capped resists. And, now that I think of it, was with lightning damage which would be even more resisted.

Lemme do a quick test of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21368606
Against an inner god, magic damage was 45% to 90% extra with 900 magic enchant.

Still about 5%-10% extra damage per 100 enchant. You could average it to 7.5% extra.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21368635
*edit, 6.75% extra.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21368564
Ok, disregard that. I am an idiot and thought your description only applied to vorpal.
Guess magic damage is the just overall best option to slap on a weapon after all.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I messing something up with my food shop?
I'm at around 90 gardening and 50 cooking and it's still only making like 10k on a good day no matter how much I stock I give it.
Like, I can make more than that with a single party time quest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21369025
It might be a problem with your shopkeeper's negotiation/charisma
If not, keep in mind that certain foods don't really sell for much. Dishes made out of veggies and fruit don't typically have very good value. Meat and Fish will sell for a lot more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21369072
Oh dang, yeah, I was mostly selling plant stuff, I didn't think the prices would be so low.
I guess farm+shop won't cut it anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21366468
Be glad you didn't have to learn this lesson from a more important item.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21335062
the mp3 library in elona can't handle ID3/ID3v2 tags. strip it using foobar2k.

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone have the pic of kai's elona exploits

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any point in plus where a weapon pumped full of magic damage enchantments matches or beats martial arts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21372266
Good question, as far as I know Attribution uses MA's level as it's enchant. If that means 2,000 MA gets 2,000 enchant, then you can beat that, yes. Additionally, you should have a better multiplier thanks to 2-hand. But you won't have the 8 extra attacks, and the raw damage dice of MA can probably only be beaten by bloodrod, which can't get enough magic enchant. But, you can get north of 800+ of static damage so it might not matter too much? On paper, I'd say, maybe? It kinda looks like MA might still win in total damage if min-maxed right.

[Anonymous No.]

>enter the cradle of chaos for the first time
>everything pushes my and my pets' shit in
i have only just begun to grind

[Anonymous No.]

>>21375057
The cradle is a bit special compared to what you're used to. It levels NPCs up to the floor strength just like the void and awakened dungeons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21375066
Any tips to help get my head around the CoC specifically, or is it more standard void ap farming/herb food eating fare

[Anonymous No.]

>>21375117
Just grind moar.

[Anonymous No.]

>spend ~30 stardust, high hard materiums, and about half a week in game grinding hard equip making with laser guns
>none are alive

[Anonymous No.]

>>21375659
Did you do anything to boost your Luck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21375722
yeah i had a food buff going in

[Anonymous No.]

Do you start getting more plat in South Tyris? I feel like I never have enough plat even with Yacatect's goose and medal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21376012
plat rewards (typically) scale with dungeon/quest difficulty and fame. Level 130 dungeons give 5p for killing the boss and 10$ quests usually give around 3p with the exception of harvest and party time quests.
Are you still gaining new skills with your plat? Plat never stops being valuable but it wont ever be as scarce as it is early game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21376060
No the only skill I'm missing right now is Two Hand but I'm playing a mage right now so I figured I could not take it. Right now I have a bunch of materials to level up the crafting skills but I don't have the plat to keep the potential up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21376087
You want to take every skill, especially because you don't really want to stay with the fighters' guild for long as a mage.
Don't worry too much about crafting for now, you need a lot of materials to level it up anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21361094
Does the house come before the shop? What about the museum?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21376302
Museum's worth is based on how many figures/cards you have of monsters so there's not much point getting it early. The earlier you can get a shop up and running, the earlier you can start training the shopkeeper and it's nice to have a big house to just dump stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21376302
Museum is first since it costs almost nothing to buy/maintain and you're gonna be getting interest on your investment from it for the rest of the game.
Shops are only worth it if you can consistently fill them with valuable items(high levels of cooking/fishing/gardening) since they cost 5k/month to maintain, so you don't really need to bother with shops for a while. If you have a hard time finding places to unload loot then they're not bad to have available, but I typically do house before shop.
Recommended early shopkeepers are thieves' guild members, which you can rod of dominate when you have around level 50 magic device.
If you have pets and charisma, I believe that the super lure can be bought for 10k music tickets and super lure fishing is VERY lucrative if you're running custom-g where fishing and cooking costs very little stamina.
>>21376351
Gotta disagree with you on the museum. It costs pennies, the early ranks are easy to gain, and it'll be turning a profit without any extra work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21376351
>figures/cards you have of monsters
Doing it wrong. Figures & cards of uniques are worth more by orders of magnitude.
So you can get easy early ranks by just murdering every unique NPC in North Tyris that you can (maybe wait on tough people like Loyter), since they always drop their card and figure.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok, been working on and off using 3 online translators to make a semi sorta decent translation of the card texts. Both for practical use and curiosity about any strange lore facts they might have.
I found an old google docs spreadsheet some anon linked in these threads ages ago, that had a few of the entries already tentatively translated.
So I have been comparing my machine translations to the ones they came up with for the cards they already translated.
Curious if that anon is still around so I can give them credit or give them the files I have fixed if they are still working on translations.

[Anonymous No.]

sniff assholes in hell, you piece of shit boss

[Anonymous No.]

who writes this dialogue

[Anonymous No.]

>>21378337
Ano.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21377029
That might have been me.
I remember you talking about this and I probably said I could help translate in the future (I don't actually remember if I said I would).

But I am definitely not one of the ones you are working with right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21377029
>>21379532
Oh kek you meant the anon who posted the spreadsheet, nevermind then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21378337
I am gonna start using this line.

[Anonymous No.]

>play an ensemble in my food shop
>audience throws a lemon at me
their every move makes my victory more complete

[Anonymous No.]

Does negotiation train for pets running a shop?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21382388
Yes, and therefore Charisma gets trained too. You can spend bronze coins to increase their potentials.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21382388
yeah. once they're assigned as shopkeepers, using the registers will show their chr/negotiation potentials, which level up with sales and can be raised with bronze coins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21379532
>>21379548
Not really working with anyone else at the moment, unless you count google doc anon. I mean literally just 3 separate machine translation tools, then seeing what similarities the 3 have to maybe pull some meaning out.
But I do think I remember you offering to at least check if my translations were absolutely off base in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>dicked over another dozen times by hard equip making, half a dozen godly laser guns but nothing alive
is artifact fusion as annoying as it looks? some of them actually have some pretty good attributes, but all the crafting materials you need to from quests looked like a pain in the neck to get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383177
You can get tons of sox going in lvl 70-75 tower dungeons, and stealing them from clowns and ninjas.

But, yeah, it can be annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383227
honk
I saw that most of the relevant buffs(magic damage) came from the 30x sox quest, but do min-maxxed artifacts rival living weapons for damage output?
I was more looking for something to put in a hand slot to buff marksmanship/perception but I'm not uninterested in replacing my current living weapon, given all the bleeding procs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383265
Artifact fusion can add enchant levels depending on the type, static artifacts can have 2,000 total, <miracle> randoms can have 2,500, and {godly} caps at 3,000. It maintains, and innates, like life on rubynus, count towards this.

That's a soft cap, you can fuse over it, but you can't fuse anymore once you reach it. Also, going from cloth back to rubynus let's you get your innate back for free.

Living weapons get up to 1600-2400 if they go all magic, I think. If so, an empty miracle with nothing but magic can beat even a lvl 15 living weapon with only magic.

I recommend getting grenade too, it's only 51 enchant. Really fun and good for crowd control. Gravity sphere is pretty consistent at applying slow and preventing greater evasion. Not terrible damage either. But at 150 you might lose some magic damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383315
so yes but i need to gather a ludicrous amount of socks instead of just killing things

fair enough, I'll see about messing around with clowns when i'm not finishing up a few papers. thanks for the help

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383315
It's 200 magic damage per level as I recall. So 1800 normally, 3000 if you're willing to bleed.
I vaguely remember hearing somewhere that Gravity Sphere's procrate was nerfed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383356
Gravity goes off all the time for me. Grenade is a lot rarer, I've noticed.

[Anonymous No.]

artifact fusion hole is now open. these two are kind of adorable, not gonna lie.
I'm not wholly sure how adding more points to an invoke enchantment like grenade or gravity sphere changes things-- does it increase the proc chance or damage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383514
I tested grenade vs nova grenade and couldn't find a difference, but that's not a conclusive test.

[Anonymous No.]

>karavika's concert quest
>wall off each entrance except one so that the ai pathfinding leads it towards me
>single concertgoer wanders out of the door and gets shot by me, instantly booting me from the instance and saving the game
i don't *like* savescumming, but I've spent the last 40 minutes making backups of my save file every dozen turns or so because even if i do this perfectly, some of the monster spawns can teleport through walls and eat somebody.
Is there something I'm doing wrong here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21362814
Check the [esc] menu, make the character run always or never. Change the speeds to match gameplay.
I also turn off smooth scrolling and animations entirely for most of the game. With a few exceptions like playing around with fireworks or PURELY relaxing without grinding.

AHK scripting is a pretty good idea too, yeah.
Though you'd have to have a toggle for it, since it would interrupt text entry like for wishing and whatnot.
Choording some actions with CapsLock or something could be cool as well. To make them more accessible without repositioning the hand or going through the [z] pie menu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383734
update: reloading a save while in the concert resets the waves. fine, probably more a programming thing where it spawns an enemy every x turns or so.
what i really don't appreciate is the last wave being some 8ish <elite lads> spawning in from both sides, all of which are capable of both breaking walls and one-shotting the concertgoers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383943
>reload a save
>accidentally shoot a concertgoer while overwriting the failed save
>overwrite fails
i'm having a heated gamer moment

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383956
You could train up a squad of pet gunners, 15, no leash, have them hunt the enemy down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383995
That would probably work. I should leave behind the melee lads, recruit a couple more platinum bells, and let them deal with the shenanigans while remaining in the center to deal with the teleporting fallen angels and alkonosts. I'm just miffed about getting dicked so suddenly.

[Anonymous No.]

>will achieve truly internationalization
Is this entire section intentional mockery of the default translation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21383846
Thanks but after trying to change the settings again it seems like changing any of the run settings only affects how it behaves with numpad and for everything else it defaults to run after 2 steps with the slowest(10) walk speed regardless of what the settings are so yeah ahk seems like the best option( https://pastebin.com/raw/X7wBM1aS ).

>CapsLock choording
Since the game recognizes capital letters and let's you customize the select nth thing keys all I needed to do with ahk besides remapping numpad is make sure shift + one of the movement keys(wersdfxcv) didn't trigger numpad to get most of the keys easily reachable and as a nice extra the game still shows all of the keys correctly so I don't need to check out of game stuff for which key did what if I haven't played for a bit or something.

[Anonymous No.]

We're.
Also more minor stuff:
>You read a blessed scroll of growth. The potentials of [you] skills increase.
Certainly better than the you's it was before, but still not quite your, for some reason.
>an unicorn horn [When singular and unblessed/uncursed only.]
>Ganmbler

[Anonymous No.]

>>21388871
>We've->We're
>your2(tc)->your(tc)
>if (locvar_itemowner_s == "unicorn horn") {
>"ganmbler"->"gambler"
All four problems fixed for the next release of Custom-G. Also, it looks like Ano did that "copypaste something and only change the Japanese text" bit with gamblers, so I'll replace their copypasted beggar speech while I'm at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21378337
That dog does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21389151
Woo.
Does he do that thing often?

[Anonymous No.]

>the karavika quest doesn't give artifact fusion materials until the second completion onwards
I'm glad it's done, but I'm not happy it needs to happen again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21382829
Oh alright, yeah, I could do that.
I'll be around so just let me know when you want me to look at them.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I be making laser guns or machine guns for artifact fusion? Machine guns seem to have better damage dice, but laser guns have great distance modifiers(and armor piercing, but I'm stacking magic damage anyway)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21390380
Laser guns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21390380
Basically Laser guns.

Damage dice is only a small impact. Most damage scaling comes from skills.

Distance modifiers are for accuracy. Accuracy is important, as if you miss your magic damage also misses.
With the fixity anchor it's always 20 regardless of distance. So once you're in act2 for that distance modifier won't matter against targets you can take a few hits from.
But until then, and against targets you have to teleport from frequently, it does matter. Definitely more than damage dice at the very least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21390411
It's not just accuracy, it's also damage. If you have a modifier of 7, you'll only do 70% damage. You can test this with shotguns and stones, beyond about 3-4 tiles or so they default to 2, or 20% damage.

The fixity anchor, unfortunately, only fixes the accuracy. You keep the damage modifiers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21390380
Make machine guns and use equip update to turn them into laser guns, so you get a boosted critrate instead of a dinky bonus to perception.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21390948
Isn't it shotguns which get crit rate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21391719
Yes. Sorry about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21391776
fortunately, shotguns are one step closer to the laser gun step in the update cycle than machine guns. works out that I'll only have to put in two instead of three hearts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21391816
I'd recommend going with snipers. Crit rate competes with eye of mind for the same +15% cap, and decap, especially if you go farmer class, is great for finishing enemies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21391939
the hit penalties on snipers always seemed prohibitive, so I haven't used them before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21392490
Well, if you're just updating it into a laser, it's less of an issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21392543
fair enough, i'm pretty tired

[Anonymous No.]

>>21390454
Oh, well shoot. That's a little retarding.
Does that hamper magic damage bonus as well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21392705
Yeah the magic bonus is based on the physical damage you deal, so it scales with everything that effects it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21365537
>That sounds like crazy hard grinding padding for no real purpose.
just another day in Elona then?

[Anonymous No.]

in truth how bad is thirst?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395400
It is literally worse than Hitler. Every now and then you have to drink a cure minor wound potion, a beer, or carry the mag aqua around. Completely destroys the game. Unplayable. Just give up forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395400
I didn't mind it terribly, but it bloats your inventory with trash potions and fucks with the flow since thirst increases faster than hunger. It probably makes the first ten levels even worse considering how poor you start, especially since vernis has no dedicated magic vendor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395400
It seems to be mainly just a minor annoyance plus piss memes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395438
Vernis has a magic vendor, bottom left in the same room as the healer, and just left of the innkeeper/booze seller's room.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395465
how dare you call me out for being wrong, bucko

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395436
hitler a good boi he dindu nuffin wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395400
It's a superfluous need bar (As hunger already exists) that serves no valid gameplay purpose and exists strictly for piss fetishism.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't played Elona+ custom since updating my old ass 2013 install sometime in 2017 to 1.68, I get this pop up restoring my save everytime and haven't tested anything else to see if its fucked
Should I make a new character and fresh install or resume where I left off? I'm assuming it was after the OG chat server was taken offline and it's just an error from the host? I think I remember editing it to a temp custom server... is that still up? To update to newest version I backup my save and just got to my house? I remember having to do special shit because it was a dangerous update process.

What are the biggest things I've missed coming from 1.68? Patch notes are still kinda gobbledygook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395699
Disable networking, only the OO branch still supports network features.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395713
Alright thanks.
Never heard of Omake Overhaul, is it just a continued development fork of vanilla Elona like Plus/Custom was? What variant has the most discussion, English content, updates, and current players? Looks like OO has a final release whereas Plus/Custom is still regularly updated... going to assume Custom is still the best version?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395699
>I think I remember editing it to a temp custom server... is that still up?
jdestroy's server went down ages ago. Moongate functionality was never restored, and no one else has ever tried.
>What are the biggest things I've missed coming from 1.68?
BloodyShade made the source code human-readable, so there are now at least three mods built on top of Custom: Amylona, Custom-G, and most recently, Custom-GFU.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395740
There have been other mods that build on OO, the latest of which is OOMSEST, which has an English fan translation.

If you're going with Plus, Plus Custom G is probably preferable over Custom. G undoes a lot of Ano's unpopular changes, such as thirst and the multihand nerf.

As for which is best, there's a lot of room for reasonable disagreement. Plus is largely focused around adding more content. OOMSEST feels much more like vanilla and is more focused on improving the original content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395740
>Looks like OO has a final release whereas Plus/Custom is still regularly updated...
There's a newer Omake variant called OOMSEST that's being actively translated. Last I heard the translation wasn't finished, but that was ages ago.
>going to assume Custom is still the best version?
Personally I'd say Custom-G, since it replaces all placeholder text with at least machine translations and removes (or adds tweaks to remove) various annoyances. You might prefer Custom-GFU if you want reduced grinding.
The Omake line is deliberately, explicitly closer to vanilla Elona. It's a different experience from the Plus line. Also, there's no English documentation like Plus has, and it's all closed source, so if you can't read Japanese you're going to have a hard time figuring out how various things work. That said, some people prefer its style of play to Plus. (Also, some people just want to avoid Ano completely. Frankly, I don't blame them.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395746
>>21395820
>>21395821
Thanks. Gonna install G. Now I have layers of shit that are going to probably need to be installed I'm assuming I update by:
Install Elona+ update to folder -> install custom to folder -> install Custom G to folder. Or does the G .zips contain everything I need without having to use regular custom?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395821
>Also, there's no English documentation like Plus has
All of the changelogs for omake, OO, and oomSEST at least, are available in English. So as long as it's in the changelog there is documentation.
It's not organized like various wikis are, obviously, but it is documented.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395982
>install new version of E+ somewhere
>install E+C on top of E+
>install E+C-G on top of E+C
>copy save folder over from old E+ installation

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395820
>which has an English fan translation
Is that a separate thing to install on top of it? Or included in the official oomSEST release found on Twitter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21395982
They are separate and install on top of one another, yes.

But I would definitely keep the old install untouched as a backup, and install the new one separate before copying over saves, personally changed files, and configs.
That way you DEFINITELY know you have a working version with working configs, saves, and other optional changes, to reference or revert to for any reason whatsoever.
And I would do that with almost any program considered in development that has saves/configs/mods, not just Elona.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21396005
Do those say exactly which types of weapons can and can't be crafted/upgraded with the blacksmith system? Do they describe how the new feats work, or how the custom god system works, or any of the other things that anons occasionally ask about here?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to get borderless fullscreen or scale the window past 768p?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21396012
For the most part you can just grab the releases of oo and oomsest from twitter, however oomsest seems to have forgotten a few of the files from when they translated OO, such as the hammer. So I'd recommend getting the English release of OO, rather than the twitter version, even though oomsest has most of the translation.

1.22 then oo then oomsest is the install order.




>>21396048

Kinda, the wiki has most of that, but some details never left the discord. For instance, the wiki only mentions how blacksmithing works, but not that you can craft the following item types: melee weapons, and helms, chests, girdles, gauntlets, and shields. The anon also forgot that oomsest's changelog builds on top of oomse's which was never actually released, they skipped ahead.

https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Omake
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Omake_overhaul
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Omake_Overhaul_modify_Sukutu_Edition_South_Tyris
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Smithing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21396385
>neither source code nor basic documentation ever publicly released

[Anonymous No.]

>>21396226
Borderless (fullscreen) is easy. There's a million tools for that, though you generally have to set your fullscreen resolution to match it beforehand. I prefer using AHK, and just including the borderless resizing to 1920x768 within my backup script.

The game can technically scale up to 868, it seems.
But that causes a chatlog bug when doing town job tasks that take you to other screens. Where it basically makes several lines of the log persistently blank and unreadable until the program is restarted. At least on my machine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21397269
All elona-like's have their sourcecode released tho.
It's the .hsp files, only problem is they're fucking barfed out garbage at this point.
Still hoping foobar goes somewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21398307
>All elona-like's have their sourcecode released tho.
Where did this delusion come from, exactly? I've seen half a dozen anons spout it, get challenged to link to any source anywhere, and then begrudgingly admit that only Custom and its derivatives ever released their sources.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21398353
Oh you're right, all of the versions of elona I checked the code of had the source.hsp (since I have custom).
I just figured that elona.exe just parsed the hsps at startup.
Still, you can just use a hsp decompiler to get similar results.

[Anonymous No.]

i got all ascetic and stamina feats, what are other must have regardless of character?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21398581
Not really. Just using a decompiler leaves you with a very difficult bit of code to go through. Pretty sure the custom guys rigged up a script to go through and make the garbage human readable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21398828
O wew, if that's the human readable version I don't even wanna see the original

[Anonymous No.]

>>21398581
Decompiled code is not exactly readable. You can decompile practically every language somehow, and most often even recompile it.
You don't really call it open source just because you can decompile it.
Some languages don't even require decompiling, like Java. But they're so obfuscated that even those are considered closed source.

With Custom in particular, someone went through and made it all readable and easy to edit. Though a little hard to grasp without reading everything related to each variable/function.
I thought it was AnnaBanana but apparently it was BloodyShade according to >>21395746
>>21398841
Just run the decompiler as the guide with Custom-G says. It's quite a mess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21398853
Anna started it, but kept it largely in it's raw form. Bloody has been working on it for a while now, and much of the nicer refactoring is his work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21398789
Exorcist and hypnotism. Dimensional move is also recommended. Guts in Omake variants. If you're in plus then ascetic is bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21399058
why is more hp bad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21399486
it's not bad, but feats are (mostly) limited and a lot of the skills are useful. if it hasn't been mentioned yet, then the one that gives you cheer is really good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21399509
Less pets, more Kokou.

[Anonymous No.]

is the only consistent source of gain attribute souvenir vendors? I've been checking my potion sellers for weeks

[Anonymous No.]

Heyyyyyy I need some advice, I just started the game and I'm completely hooked, but I need a new pet to help me in combat. I've been playing the horn from town to town until I got to level 10, and my yerles machine infantry just isnt cutting it as a ranged pet. (I'm running Elona+)

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I find Frost Hounds?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21399033
Did any of the refactoring change how things work, or change performance?
Or is it just for readability alone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21400267
I know that custom generally tries to avoid changing things, but that they have made exceptions from time to time.

Beyond that, you'd need to ask BloodyShade: https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:29851

[Anonymous No.]

>>21400267
To put it simply, it added a bunch of constants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_%28computer_programming%29
Before:
>if ( gdata(20) == 14 ) {
After:
>GDATA_AREA = 20
>[...]
>AREA_DERPHY = 14
>[...]
>if ( gdata(GDATA_AREA) == AREA_DERPHY ) {
Although I suppose I should call them "pseudo-constants", since HSP has nothing but global variables.

TL;DR: It was just for readability alone.

[Anonymous No.]

what do i do with my statues of creator now that the room is full

[Anonymous No.]

Shouldn't it be "You were asked"?
I mean, it technically works as is if read aloud directly, but still comes off as weird because it's a dialogue box with her face.

Pretty sure there's other dialogue like that too, so there might be precedence, such that changing it would make things inconsistent. But it's still weird.

[Anonymous No.]

I downed a ton of coffee to see if it would do anything, and now my character hasn't felt sleepy for weeks. In Custom-G if it matters.
My spell potentials are going to stay shit and I have several items like statues that won't start cooldown until next sleep.
How do I undo this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21401363
Drink soma, eat kneaded sweets of witch, or pray. The large negative number will be changed to zero.

[Anonymous No.]

Tfw the last 20 dungeons I cleared gave me no good loot at all.
On the other hand someone threw a pair of 7 league boots at me while I was doing a party time quest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21401929
Thank you.
I couldn't find any of those just searching the wiki searching "sleep" or "tired". They're all spread about and not on the Sleep page, and vague "removes sleepiness" or "removes sleepy status" instead of "resets sleepiness".