/DJT/「Daily Japanese Thread」第2130番

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

New guide:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
Old guide for those afraid of change:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

gambarimasyou, ne?

前スレ: >>21001525

[Anonymous No.]

how do you say ganbare in mandarin

[Anonymous No.]

>>21013693
很好工作

[Anonymous No.]

>>21013693
加油

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck happened to bangers OP?

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>>21013805
last thread wasnt bangin u gotta earn it

[Anonymous No.]

Hello, friends.

I'm a few weeks from finishing RTK and I'm thinking ahead to (eventually) speaking. I have been listening to as much Japanese audio as possible.

Is it worth spending some time drilling pronunciation early on?

Also how do I into pitch accent?

Pronunciation and pitch are pretty much skipped over entirely by the guide(s) with the implication that I should just naturally develop some kind of natural sounding speech via input, but is it really so simple? I'd rather not have to unlearn bad habits down the line.

Any advice on how to sound (approximately) like a native speaker is appreciated! Thank you~

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>tfw you understand your childhood song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dE46NI6Y-A

[Anonymous No.]

last thread certainly wasnt bangin

[Anonymous No.]

>thread for those interested in traditional otaku media
goddamnit i need a new thread, i want to read actual books
do i just work from manga towards real reading, then eventually work more backwards from there?
how sick would it be to read the Tale of Genji in Japanese

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>>21014076
the tale of genji is boring as fuck, I had to read some of it for a classical japanese class at uni

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I know it's still early on in my learning journey, but I've been doing core 6k for 7 days now and it's getting harder, I feel like giving up but I came here to look at everyone else's progress and get motivated. I hope I can be as good as you guys if I keep studying for 1 year, you are all my inspiration.

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>>21013851
Japanese sounds like shit regardless of your accent so don't even bother.

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>>21014134
just reduce the amount of new words, no need to rush

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>>21014135
I'm gonna have to give you the last intelligent comment of the week award.

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>>21014134
do NOT spend more than 5 minutes a day on anki
As much as possible make your mind agile and focused while doing your reps. No more than 5 seconds on each card, when you can't recall just call BAD and redo it. Not only does this save you time, but it also trains your brain to recall faster. It is also less of a headache.

You still have to finish your reviews.

[Anonymous No.]

I just started to generate MCD sets for anki from japanese sentences and character frequency lists.

Here are some examples:
{{c1::変だ}}{{c2::な}}{{c3::あ}}{{c4::。}} [That's strange.] MCD
{{c1::変だ}}{{c2::な}}{{c3::あ}}{{c4::。}} [How strange!] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人誰}}{{c4::？}} [Who is that man?] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人誰}}{{c4::？}} [Who is that person?] MCD
{{c1::若い}}{{c2::な}}{{c3::あ}}{{c4::。}} [You're young.] MCD
{{c1::甘い}}{{c2::な}}{{c3::あ}}{{c4::。}} [He's a pushover.] MCD
{{c1::キツイ}}{{c2::な}}{{c3::あ}}{{c4::。}} [Don't be so hard on me.] MCD
{{c1::寒い}}{{c2::な}}{{c3::あ}}{{c4::。}} [I feel cold.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人}}{{c4::は}}{{c5::煙たい}}{{c6::。}} [I feel awkward in his presence.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::件}}{{c4::は}}{{c5::あ}}{{c6::の}}{{c7::ままで}}{{c8::ある}}{{c9::。}} [The matter has not been settled yet.] MCD
{{c1::あなた}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::時間}}{{c4::は}}{{c5::あなた}}{{c6::の}}{{c7::もの}}{{c8::。}} [Your time is your own.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人}}{{c4::は}}{{c5::愉快}}{{c6::な}}{{c7::人}}{{c8::だ}}{{c9::。}} [He is delightful.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人}}{{c4::は}}{{c5::付き合い}}{{c6::にくい}}{{c7::。}} [He is hard to deal with.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人}}{{c4::は}}{{c5::すぐ}}{{c6::怒る}}{{c7::。}} [He easily gets angry.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人}}{{c4::は}}{{c5::死ん}}{{c6::だ}}{{c7::。}} [That person died.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人}}{{c4::にきい}}{{c5::て}}{{c6::みよう}}{{c7::。}} [Let's ask him.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::ドレス}}{{c4::大好き}}{{c5::。}} [I love that dress.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::ドレス}}{{c4::大好き}}{{c5::。}} [I like that dress a lot.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::ドレス}}{{c4::大好き}}{{c5::。}} [I really like that dress.] MCD
{{c1::あなた}}{{c2::は}}{{c3::カナダ}}{{c4::人}}{{c5::です}}{{c6::。}} [You are a Canadian.] MCD


Card format has the clozes on the front with the English hint, and MCD is the tag. As you can see there can be multiple clozes the same with different English tips.

Sentences are from Tatoeba, word frequecy lists from OpenSubtitles, and the tokenizing is Taku Kudo's machine intelligence tokenizer (non-dictionary).

Any changes I should make?

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>>21014220
>MCD
Stop doing whatever you're doing and don't do anything that whoever/whatever told you about MCDs tells you to do. It's a massive waste of time and will teach you nothing for the extra effort it takes compared to normal vocabulary cards and reading.

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>>21014224
MCD isn't popular anymore? Or CD at all?


I do normal vocab and reading too, but vocab in context is better than just vocab right? The more context you have the faster/better you learn.

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Anki is one hell of a drug

[Anonymous No.]

>>21014220
this is so fucking bad holy shit

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>>21014220
>{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人誰}}{{c4::？}}
the separation is completely off
it should be
あの　人　誰
and you don't want to cloze delete a question mark
there's lots of problems like that here

all the sentences with なあ are messed up too
should be 若い　なあ
not 若い　な　あ

あ　の should be あの

basically this implementation of cloze deletion is very, very bad

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>>21014220
you have to realize whether or not what you're doing is something that's helping you remember some random jack shit sentences or understand the language more.

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>>21014237
No. Read more.

MCDs were never a good idea, they were just random bullshit pushed by khatz because he didn't have anything better to do.

Cloze deletion cards are for structuring factual questions so that they're not ambiguous, like "The temperature at which the FDA claims that steak becomes safe to eat is ____ degrees Fahrenheit.". They're not for learning vocabulary or other one-to-many associations, in fact they're really, really bad for it.

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>>21014220
the dekinaiest

[Anonymous No.]

all u "have" to do is play video games or watch digiman and have a good time : )

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>>21014237
Basically no one talks about MCD, I just found it the other day on the AJATT site myself. Personally I think it's too much of a pain for too little gain compared to regular sentence cards.

I do use cloze deletion though. Whenever I come across a phrase that I feel like I myself would like to use somewhere, I make it a cloze deletion, no MCD though. Something like
バカの{{c1::古典的な}}言い訳
for example

It's also good for particle usage and how to use certain words in context. But overall I use it very sparingly compared to sentence cards, and definitely not with MCD.

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>>21014252
Kudo's tokenizer is supposedly 95% accurate, idk if it's really a problem in this case since it doesn't really matter that it splits words, but maybe I will switch to a dictionary tokenizer.

あ_人誰 [Who is that person?] is definitely solvable and unambigious right?

You said the cloze deletion is bad too, did you mean just the tokenizer?

>>21014270
There's not much ambiguity though? Which one did you find ambiguous? Why are they bad for vocab?

I searched around but can't really find much except for salt that some person or another won't release their cards free...

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>>21014285
>Whenever I come across a phrase that I feel like I myself would like to use somewhere, I make it a cloze deletion, no MCD though. Something like
>バカの{{c1::古典的な}}言い訳
that is a good idea actually, i imagine it helps with production better than sentence cards

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>>21014196
>>21014216
Thanks to both of you I feel much better now

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>>21014296
>There's not much ambiguity though?
It's unambiguous because I wrote it as a proper cloze deletion. If the front was something like "temperature steak becomes safe to eat" then there are several possible interpretations, like different groups/people having different recommendations, or celcius vs fahrenheit.

>Why are they bad for vocab?
They make your reps take a LOT longer than simple vocab flashcards (yes, really), they're significantly worse at dealing with words with multiple sentences than normal vocab flashcards because you have to make a card for each sense, you usually start to recognize what word is being asked for based on the shape of the context around it rather than the word itself, they require a translation that you can't trust (tatoeba is terrible for this by the way), etc. Nobody who has actually gotten GOOD at a language has MCDs to thank for it, and they would have been better off doing literally anything else, even sentence cards.

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ふむふむ

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>>21014296
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人}}{{c4::は}}{{c5::愉快}}{{c6::な}}{{c7::人}}{{c8::だ}}{{c9::。}} [He is delightful.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人}}{{c4::は}}{{c5::付き合い}}{{c6::にくい}}{{c7::。}} [He is hard to deal with.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人}}{{c4::は}}{{c5::すぐ}}{{c6::怒る}}{{c7::。}} [He easily gets angry.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人}}{{c4::は}}{{c5::死ん}}{{c6::だ}}{{c7::。}} [That person died.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::人}}{{c4::にきい}}{{c5::て}}{{c6::みよう}}{{c7::。}} [Let's ask him.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::ドレス}}{{c4::大好き}}{{c5::。}} [I love that dress.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::ドレス}}{{c4::大好き}}{{c5::。}} [I like that dress a lot.] MCD
{{c1::あ}}{{c2::の}}{{c3::ドレス}}{{c4::大好き}}{{c5::。}} [I really like that dress.] MCD

All of these could also be その or この, for example. I mean I'm not going to stop you but auto-generating cloze-deletions when you don't even have the ability to judge if the individual deletions make sense seems like a terrible idea.

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>>21014329
oh its this time again

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>>21014329
>no kanji on the back
garbage

[Anonymous No.]

>>21014335
still good

[Anonymous No.]

>>21014220
lmao this is going to fuck you up

[Anonymous No.]

>>21014338
"Kanji on the back" is the exact opposite of something anyone should ever do, even if they're doing something weird or are willing to be inefficient for no good reason.

https://jisho.org/search/%E3%81%97%E3%82%87%E3%81%86%E3%82%81%E3%81%84

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>>21014347
i think anon meant that there should be kanji with furigana on the back instead of just the reading in hiragana

[Anonymous No.]

>V2K
>蝕む - to be worm-eaten

[Anonymous No.]

>>21014347
its good if you want to learn how to write like a literate person

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>>21014351
In Anki, the back contains the front. If you're using physical flashcards (which you shouldn't), then obviously you're going to put more on the back than if you're using Anki.

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>>21014357
Have you considered doing, you know, normal writing practice? Like, just writing out Japanese?

Because doing anything writing-related in Anki is just going to make Anki take incredible amounts of time and give you very limited benefits in terms of getting better at Japanese. That time would be better spent shadowing music for fuck's sake, it's that pointless.

If you can't produce Japanese in order to practice writing Japanese then you don't know enough Japanese for remembering what kanji are in a word to matter yet, aside from obvious things that you're going to have no trouble with like 名前 and 手紙 that need no memorization.

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>>21014330
Well that's why I posted here...

>>21014313
It doesn't really make sense to me that CD cards would make you learn slower, but you make a good point about needing high quality translations and another anon pointed out that tokenizers are unreliable too. So it seems that every card needs to be hand made :/

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>>21014377
They don't make you learn slower. They take more time to go through than simpler cards and give no extra benefit.

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>>21014377
Is there any source for good quality English / Japanese translated sentences?

[Anonymous No.]

You wanna spend as little time as possible on Anki. Read a non fiction book about something that tickles your autism instead.

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>>21014362
>In Anki, the back contains the front.
nope, depends on your styling

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>>21014392
There is not. And if there was, then the sentences in it would be long, because short Japanese sentences are full of contextual ambiguities that make it so you can't use translations of them during memorization.

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>>21014400
A large number of Anki's features assume that the back contains the front, the default formats all make the back contain the front, and pressing certain buttons will make the back automatically contain the front. Also, if your format doesn't make the back contain the front, it's bad.

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>>21014353
Why would any language need a word like this? What happened in the history of Japanese for this word to be needed? I need explanations.

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>>21014401
Long sentences aren't a problem for generating CD cards. You can just delete only certain words and split them into multiple cards based on word difficulty.

But if there's no data source then it's moot.

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>>21014425
>Long sentences aren't a problem for generating CD cards.
The problem with sentence length and translations doesn't have anything to do with cloze deletion, it has to do with information density and implied context. Short Japanese sentences ALWAYS leave out information that affects their translation into English. If a sentence can be translated truly unambiguously, it is either long or contains so many things that are normally dropped that it's unnatural, and neither of those are good for flashcards.
>You can just delete only certain words
Don't do that. You don't know Japanese.

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>>21014408
>A large number of Anki's features assume that the back contains the front
i don't even know what that's supposed to mean

anyways, my back doesn't contain the front and i think i'll be alright

[Anonymous No.]

stfu flashtards and bang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJLdMkOYVaE

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>>21014439
>anyways, my back doesn't contain the front and i think i'll be alright
It does. It's just not the "Front" meta-field. The actual content of the front is still there. It's not including the front the same way Anki expects it to, but it's still there, so there's no problem.

>i don't even know what that's supposed to mean
"Anki couldn't find the line between the question and answer. Please adjust the template manually to switch the question and answer."

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>>21014436
idk, I feel like "私は_ [I am a dog]" is fairly unambiguous and short too. I guess there's a lot of ways to write dog?

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>>21014453
Not him but nobody talked about not having a front, just not showing it on the back and showing kanji with furigana instead as in the screenshot. What are you even going on about

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>>21014474
Read the actual conversation.

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>>21014453
>The actual content of the front is still there.
where is it? the furigana reading is an entirely different field

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>>21014472
You're not picking the sentence. You don't know how long it is or whether it's using an unusual spelling for a given word. For all you know, that _ might be 犬, いぬ, イヌ, 飼い犬, 猟犬, etc. Obviously you can design short sentences that can be recognized from their translation without context, but only if the right translation is chosen and the sentence has only the right part/parts removed. 私は犬 can mean "I'm a dog person" in the right context, especially due to the lack of a だ/です.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not a japanese learning guru, but I think I MUS teach you guys something (I'm looking at you, "mcd", "mia", "ajatt with no mcd" and all of you that follows cultists to the heart.

On Anki, it should be as fast as possible. It's FLASH card, but instead, people still believe that even long sentences are fine for some reason...

Japanese word on the front

Japanese word with furigana + translation on the back.


See? THAT simple.

"But what about context? I heard matt and jalup saying I need context, you stupid shit"
- That you will get by reading... You just need one or two meanings for the word and that's all.. while you reading, you will always think to yourself "Oh, so this words can be used like this too" no matter how many context you use or example sentences (I saw a guy with like 3 to 4 sample sentences on the card to show different contexts....)

How hard can it be?

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>>21014479
"actual content" there obviously meant the text 礼拝, otherwise the rest of the post would make no sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>21014497
technically that's not the content that's on the front since, again, it's a different field
the whole contention was that kanji+furigana on back is better than kanji on front and just hiragana on back
see
>>21014351
>>21014362

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>>21014506
i think u have a very fucked up idea of what "content" means

[Anonymous No.]

Are you still arguing about this? It's completely irrelevant. The cards in >>21014329 are supposed to have the front on the back. Showing that in the image would take up unnecessary amounts of space. Nobody is going to be confused, it's not a problem.

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>>21014494
This anon knows. Spending too long on cards / making long cards is such a common pitfall.

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>>21014519
Thank you. You are beautiful, anon <3

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why put a bunch of shit on a card when u could just put a bunch of shit in ur brain or the message field and hit the post button

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>>21014492
When would you say "いぬ, イヌ" instead of 犬? I feel that's a little facitious. Same with 飼い犬 or 猟犬 which both add additional information that isn't in the translation. If you try and use 猟犬 or 'イヌ' as 'dog' then I think that's a problem...

I'm not sure about your point "the sentence can have multiple translations" is moot when I already wrote the translation.

Seems like you are backing out of your assertion that CD is impossible with Japanese, or maybe realizing that it's a lot easier than you thought. Do you really find "私は_ [I am a dog]" to be confusing and ambiguous?

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>>21014522
I watch this bitch, his Reimu has some massive fucking tits

[Anonymous No.]

わたしは＿[ゲイ]

[Anonymous No.]

>>21014494
Core language acquisition theory is that learning in context is highly efficient.

How can we combine that with your belief in simple cards? Short sentences?

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>>21014528
>When would you say "いぬ, イヌ" instead of 犬? I feel that's a little facitious.
いぬ and イヌ are both very common ways of spelling 犬.

>Same with 飼い犬 or 猟犬 which both add additional information that isn't in the translation.
And yet they both mean "dog" and translating them as "dog" is often the most natural way to render them in English within a larger text.

>I already wrote the translation.
Oh my god. You still bad enough at Japanese that you need to use Anki, but you're writing your own translations? I'm sorry anon, nothing I can tell you will save you. You're doomed.

>Seems like you are backing out of your assertion that CD is impossible with Japanese,
I never said it was impossible. I never even IMPLIED that it was impossible. I never even said it was hard, or difficult in any way.

I said it was a horrible idea because no matter what you do you're going to be introducing problems to your cards.

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>>21014547
Honestly, not even short sentences. Words, that's all.

Do you realize anki is not for learning Japanese but for brute force small chunks in your brain, right?

You will get EVERYTHING you need just by doing words on anki and by reading books, manga, anime with japanese subtitles, eroge, whatever works for you.

When you are reading something and face a word you already know from anki (say, 1 or 2 meanings), you will understand the sentence... you'll even think "Oh, nice. So this word can also be used in this context. Interesting"

And that's all, man... Anki is for FLASH cards, not sentences or books from bible to commit to memory...

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>>21014553
I think you are being intentionally contrary, and if you aren't even willing to admit your own argument then there really is no point talking to you since you have no point other than that I'm wrong no matter what.

[Anonymous No.]

ull also get all u need without flashcards

after all u cant flashcard keiken lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21014578
hes not being contrary youre just down a rabbithole of wrong ideas so deep you dont even notice the problem with translating your own learning mats when u dont know japanese

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>>21014572
But how about for efficency? Flash cards are a lot more efficient than reading manga or watching anime.

Knowing that learning in context is far more efficient, surely there must be some way to improve vocab cards. And knowing that focused learning is far more efficient, surely there must be some way to improve consumption of media.

I mean, you learn very slowly by doing afterall.

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>>21014601
>Flash cards are a lot more efficient than reading manga or watching anime.
this is literally the opposite of true, if you exclusively do flashcards you will never learn japanese, if you exclusively read manga and watch anime you will eventually learn japanese
flashcards and input have a synergistic effect, and people who flashcard responsibly learn japanese faster than people who don't flashcard at all, but flashcards are in no way more efficient than input by any stretch of the imagination or any interpretation of efficiency, you even learn individual words faster doing just reading and listening than you do exclusively using flashcards

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>>21014601
I'm starting to feel a bit sad about you. But of course, you can simply keep doing whatever works for you.

But, trust me... Anki is for vocabs, novels, games, etc is where you will LEARN the language... Anki is just to brute force meanings in your head, and that's all.

Don't spend 3 hours daily on Anki and about 10min trying to read native stuff... Don't know if that's the case for you, but used to be my case. Hours of Anki reviewing sentences... Couple of minutes reading something.

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>>21014398
why are 白人 so obsessed with autism

[Anonymous No.]

ゲームってなあに？

よくわかんなくなってきた

[Anonymous No.]

>>21014601
Are you trying to dethrone nuke?

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>>21014618
Flashcards ARE input, the problem with flashcards is lack of context. It's too vulnerable to pattern matching.

You are right that lone vocab flashcards is a bad idea, but if you learn individual words faster by reading than with flash cards then flash cards would be completely useless for everything.

Your argument seems to be that context is good, not that flashcards are bad...

[Anonymous No.]

If you guys want to get a shot at interacting with real japanese people, try being a gaijin at some really big mastodon instances and obnoxiously reply to people.

They'll probably reply back. Just don't be shy.

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>>21014618
I second this. It's entirely possible to learn a language with input and referring to a dictionary - it just takes a long time and it's harder with Japanese because of the writing system. I learnt English that way.

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>>21014618
>if you exclusively read manga and watch anime you will eventually learn japanese
True but it will be extremely slow.

Babies take years upon years to speak at a native level, that's with 100% constant immersion and practice.

It's like saying you can learn to play vidya at a pro level just by grinding out games. It will take you 1000x longer than studying.

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>>21014519
you’re right. BUT i think there are times where a sentence card (pulled straight from context) is valid. like when the sentence also has a new construction or grammar usage you still haven’t totally solidified. or when it illustrates the nuance of the word really well.

5-10 sentence cards to every 100 or so vocab cards ain’t bad.

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>>21014673
>True but it will be extremely slow.
not really
>Babies take years upon years to speak at a native level, that's with 100% constant immersion and practice.
you will reach the level of a 4 year old in about a year or so if you actually consume enough input
>>21014647
flashcards are one of the things that are by definition not considered input. if you're not consuming it for the sake of understanding the content of the message then it's not input. you can experience input effects while using flashcards, but why would you want to? you can go read porn and play games instead. it's literally more fun and you can do it for a lot longer.

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>>21014675

Im not the anon you tagged, but I'm the anon the guy agreed with.

When I said that, I was talking exclusively about vocab cards. If you use Anki for grammar as well (which I also do), then it's a complete different story.

For grammar only, I use a separated deck with the grammar point, usage, and a couple of example sentences.

What I was saying is that for learning vocab, one shouldn't use sentences. But that's my view and not even necessarily agrees with the other anon in this case. Maybe he thinks different.

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http://archive.fo/MFBVP
read or fail

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>>21014673
>Babies take years upon years to speak at a native level, that's with 100% constant immersion and practice.
Unless you have the brain of a baby, you won't take that long. You understand way more than a baby, like, math.

[Anonymous No.]

saying anyone here has the brain of a baby would be a complement

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/Russwarne/status/1107554961036963840
>falling for the growth mindset nonsense
lol

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>>21014687
>flashcards are one of the things that are by definition not considered input. if you're not consuming it for the sake of understanding the content of the message then it's not input
That just means that your flashcards are bad.

That is not a problem inherent with flashcards.

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>>21014687
>>21014698
And we have access to better studying methods than just "read some manga".

Consuming media is the least efficient way to learn anything. If you read a textbook you won't be an expert. You have to build mental models and networks.

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>>21014731
have fun trying to find a flashcard that causes you to experience the input effect in a significant way but isn't merely an inferior version of some form of actual real input that's easier to access and more enjoyable

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>>21014687
why not use anki to deepen your understanding of sentences found in the wild?

just reading something once, unless you’re already very familiar with every single aspect of the sentence except one new word, may not be enough to solidify it. sticking it in anki let’s you isolate it and really chew on it. then the next time you see that kind of sentence in context it’s a peace of cake.

the right balance of anki can mean the difference between a surface, somewhat unclear understanding that remains that way for the next several encounters in the wild, and a significantly deeper, more familiar one nurtured from deeper study of one sentence. especially for beginners.

sentence cards saved my japanese as a beginner. increased my retention and familiarity of sentence structures way better than individual words did. i just pulled them directly from anime i watched and used anki to solidify all the unknowns.

[Anonymous No.]

sometimes you need to see how words interact with eachother and get more familiar with a few select contexts and usages rather than just chugging more down the pipe

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>>21014740
I'm sorry anon. You're objectively wrong, and both science and intuition show it. This isn't even an argument. You're making an assertion with no backing and you have no backing because it's not true. Consuming media is literally the single most efficient way to learn languages, all the way right up to the point where you have to get good at putting words into your mouth, at which point you already know the language. You cannot claim otherwise. Claiming otherwise means that you're wrong. It's that absolute. People learn languages from input, you need water to survive, some diseases can be treated with medicine, video games in general don't cause violence, the earth has existed for much longer than just a few thousand years, evolution is a real phenomenon, and computers rely on quantum mechanics to function. It's just as much of a fact as all those other things. There are people who claim all those other things aren't true, but they're all wrong. Some of them are batshit crazy, some of them were just taught religious propaganda, but they're all wrong. Just like you.

>You have to build mental models and networks.
You do this by consuming the language.

http://archive.fo/MFBVP

Read or die.

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hate to break it to yall but if ur in this thread ur wrong

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>>21014782
I mean yeah, but I can be less wrong than the other guy.

[Anonymous No.]

idk i really dont read any of those posts so ill reserve my handan lol

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>>21014745
don't write multiple paragraphs in response to posts you don't understand the conversational context of
>>21014618

[Anonymous No.]

ban the flashtards

[Anonymous No.]

get these readtards out of here

[Anonymous No.]

if we got all the tards out then this thread would b like the end of cross channel and id b taichi havin a peaceful nap

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>>21014806
and the youtube fags

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>>21014769
I always love when people say something completely wrong while claiming to be supported by "science and intuition", then post a link that doens't support their position.

Consuming media has been proven time and time again to be one of THE WORST methods of learning. The only worse might be having someone lecture you. That's why no school in the world has students just read the textbook cover to cover. They have to STUDY.

You have made strange assumptions about what the input hypothesis means. Not all input is equal, that's why we talk about COMPREHENSIBLE input, and not just any old input. What's more, there are quality difference in CI - Krashen explicitly states this by the way. CI can be from anywhere, it isn't restricted to books/videos/games. Your flashcards CAN and SHOULD contain CI.

What's more, the input hypothesis is OUTDATED. The interaction hypothesis for example is a more modern take. You should look up current research too, there is a lot that contradicts the Krashen's hardline opinions.

So let's review:
- Consuming media is a terrible way to learn anything.
- Flash cards can and should contain good quality CI.
- Input is not the only important aspect, interaction is at least as important.

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>>21014840
エロ同人誌を読むだけで日本語を身に着けた。お前の議論は無効である。

[Anonymous No.]

Similarly to Krashen's Input Hypothesis, the Interaction Hypothesis claims that comprehensible input is important for language learning. In addition, it claims that the effectiveness of comprehensible input is greatly increased when learners have to negotiate for meaning.

it's a superset over the input hypothesis you dumbdumb don't copy paste wikipedia page titles without understanding the content

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>>21014769
forgot to include race and IQ are real in there but good post otherwise

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>>21014890
Something doesn't have to not be real to be pointless.

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>>21014890
>>21014896
and are important/have ramifications in the real world*
good post otherwise though.

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>>21014852
そうそう！彼はクソ頭みたい

[Anonymous No.]

Do you think this guy ever finished?

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>>21014901
I mean yeah in the sense that people care about them and people with dark skin are less likely to get sunburns and people with low IQs are more likely to be retarded but otherwise not really.

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>>21014905
いや突っ込むなよ

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>>21014411
you know how bugs eat plants? you know how japan was an agricultural society for a long time? put two and two together

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>>21014885
Your understanding of Krashen's work is tenuous at best. The input hypothesis, and in particular Krashen's opinion, is that comprehensible input is the ONLY factor in acquisition.

Fundementally that makes the interaction hypothesis and all other modern models and theories completely incompatible.

You learn language by consumping comprehensible input (note: this is not the same as "consuming media") and by interacting with the language. That's the modern view. The input hypothesis didn't really last long before it was superceeded.

If you want to just play eroge instead of studying that's fine, there's no need to justify it. It's hard to take you seriously when your arguments are literally copy pasted snippets from wiki and journal articles you never bothered to read.

Hopefully this explanation will help you. If it's tl;dr just remeber media is just one kind of comprehensible input (and not necessarily a good one), and that input itself is just 1 piece of the puzzle. Studying and interacting with the language will vastly increase your learning efficiency.

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>>21014917
やだ。

[Anonymous No.]

good news guys i learned 'rock' today

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>>21014927
you don't understand anything you're talking about sorry my friend

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have a good workflow for looking up vocabulary from physical media and importing it to anki? Handwriting input is preferred.

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>>21014927
i'll make your ass tenuous if you don't fuck off

>>21014935
>Handwriting input
lol

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>>21014924
oh shit. I thought "worm-eaten" as in ... humans eaten by worms ... I didn't think about plants ...

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>>21014927
how bout you interact with this dick lmfao

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>>21014927
I wonder what you consider effective studying.

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>>21014927
Assuming that you think the person you're responding to is me. I've read more about language acquisition than you. 100%. Even if you're somehow a linguistics PHD student or something, the chance of you having read more of it than me is zero. And apparently, I also understood it more than you. And I also know a hell of a lot more Japanese than you, unless you're a Japanese native or you've been learning it for 30 years or something.

Your posts have so many random obviously false assertions in them that are not made or supported by any coherent and well-received theory of language acquisition that I can literally only think that you're skimming wikipedia and pulling shit out of your ass, like Pennwisedom does. It's pathetic.

Stop posting.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm learning kanji with vocab and I don't know if I'm doing it right ... What I do:
- mine vocab, put it into anki (+write it down into a notebook for better memory and I like writing kanji)
- when I have two words with the same kanji that I don't know, I learn the meaning of that kanji and write it down seperately (on paper right now)

I remember all the kanji I do that way and recognize them in words, but should I make an anki deck with the kanji I pick up, too?
I currently know about 500 kanji I memorized with keywords, plus a few I picked up elsewhere. RTK doesn't really work out for me.

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real fuckin djt hours right here

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>>21014962
If you are just looking for improvements over pure consumption, simply taking notes (any system) and then reviewing them is a vast improvement. If you want to do more there are reading comprehension strategies etc.

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>>21014908
oh i remembver this

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>>21014967
I really hope you aren't the person who relies solely on the abstracts of 50 year old papers and had to use wiki to find out what the interaction hypothesis is.

That would be embarassing. By the way do you have any arguments besides "I'm very smart and want to play eroge instead of studying"?

[Anonymous No.]

Started my anki 2/6k deck over because of reasons and I have to ask, has anyone ever actually seen 有る or 未だ used in their kanji form? The number of VNs I've read with crutches is limited, but I cant recall ever seeing them used in their kanji form.

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>>21014995
有る maybe, but also as "有り様", does that count?

[Anonymous No.]

>arguing about how to best learn Japanese
>meanwhile spend no time learning Japanese

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>>21014992
idk shit about this topic but i'm with you dude.

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>>21014992
>I really hope you aren't the person who relies solely on the abstracts of 50 year old papers and had to use wiki to find out what the interaction hypothesis is.
I've read most of the papers on Krashen's site, several things that are not on it, quite a bu tof the hypothetical stuff that Chomsky and philosophy-of-language scholars have written (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/linguistics/ is a good read), and much more. I soak up academic writing like water. There is very little that I am not familiar with, and there are many things, especially about linguistics and language acquisition, that I am more in touch with than the teachers of many (low-quality) college and university programs. I have manually transcribed old papers on language from images to text just so that non-native friends could read them more easily by copy/pasting unknown words into a dictionary instead of slowly typing them out. The notion that I skim Wikipedia and just read abstracts is offensive.

>By the way do you have any arguments besides "I'm very smart and want to play eroge instead of studying"?
Yes, actually. I wish I had played eroge instead of studying for the first couple years I was learning Japanese, I would be basically fluent by now, just like most of my friends are.

[Jamal No.]

One reason why consuming media is a great way to learn languages is because it's very fun to do. Flashcards are to most people boring, and something they have to force themselves to do, hence this religious culture of "daily reps" people form to motivate themselves. It's unpleasant work, basically. On the other hand, consuming media is fun. It's great. Many people learn the language solely to consume the media - not many do just to read flashcards. The difference this makes is astounding, to say the least.

Whereas one might have to force themselves to do 1 hour of flashcards a day, or some other equivalent manner of academic studying, that same person might find themselves consuming 4+ hours of media a day purely out of enjoyment. Whereas they might skip their daily flashcards reps, loathing the idea of forcing themselves through the work once again, they might rush to consume media at given any opportunity.

Long term, the effects of this should be obvious. The mental state of one focusing on unpleasant flashcards and forcing themselves to talk to people when they barely understand the language will be very negative, one that associates learning with pain. The mental state of one who focuses on consuming media will be very positive, and they will associate learning with having fun.

Basically, regardless of what may be the most mechanically efficient method of learning, it's a fact that consuming media is ultimately what will lead the most people to success with learning through the mathematical properties of time spent doing something, and level of engagement while doing something. A pithy amount of human interaction and flashcard studying each day won't compare to the large quantity media one consumes in their spare time. Clicking through Anki, bored, won't compare to having your eyes glued to the screen during a video game, doing your damnedest to understand the nuance of a key line during an awesome scene. And so on.

The human element is one you must never forget while thinking about language learning. Personally, I've tutored about ten different people in Japanese, not as their sole tutor directing every aspect of their studies but just as a person who's there to give advice and direction at any time. I've mentioned and explained Anki to each of them, knowing how powerful of a tool it is, and over time one of three things happened to each one of them: They dropped Japanese, due to hating Anki and struggling with grammar; they dropped Anki and shifted to focusing on media; or they kept plugging away at textbooks and Anki. The second group has been the most successful, of course. It seems to me that active studying is only something people should worry about in the beginning of their studies, when consuming media is too difficult. Anki, flashcards, textbooks, any form of studying beyond "doing what you want to do" - be it reading, listening, talking, etc - should be abandoned as soon as possible. If a learner isn't engaged in what they're doing, their progress will be slow and meaningless, no matter what the math of spaced repetition says.

I'm not trying to pass of anecdotal evidence here, in fact, I'm not arguing at all. I'm just stating the experience I've had which has guided me to my beliefs. At the end of the day, language learning is simple. Interact with the language a lot. Consume the media you want to consume. And, that's it. You'll know the language.

I focused on the time aspect the most here, but there are other reasons consuming media is so effective at learning. A visual novel might have 2000 unique kanji across 30,000 lines, which means you'll be seeing the same kanji about 5,000 different times reading that VN. Similar idea for unique words. You see the same stuff over and over in language. Meanwhile, think about flashcards. Think about doing a flashcard for a kanji 5,000 times. That sounds like hell. It would be hell. Boring, awful. Nobody would want to do it. They'd quit Japanese on the spot. Yet, reading a VN would be pretty easy. Just one VN, and you've seen a common kanji 5,000 times. And VNs aren't behemoths you spend years reading. You can read a few VNs a month. Then, you've seen the same common kanji 20,000 times. Rarer kanjis less so, but the rarer a kanji is, the more it might stick out in your memory, the more it might stick out in context, the less it might matter, the less likely it is for a native to know it on sight, and so on and so on. (Japanese people are worse at Japanese than you might think. It's kind of funny sometimes. I saw one stumble over how to read 村長, and ultimately they failed to produce the correct reading. This happens all the time. But try not to think about it, unless you want to lower your own standards for comprehension.)

Basically, consuming media is good. I hit the character limit. Yo yo I'm jamal and like rap yo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shUbv1Id5DE

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>>21014995
Even today I have seen 未だ with いまだ furigana in eromanga.
also pic related.

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>>21015014
the biggest fattest tl;dr ever

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>>21015014
Why do /jp/ posts have a higher word limit than /lit/ posts?

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>>21014995
Yes to both
有る less common than 未だ
Anyways they're definitely the kind of words that you just "have" to know the actual kanji for even if you mostly use kana to write them because it's just so basic

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>>21015007
>Even if you're somehow a linguistics PHD student or something, the chance of you having read more of it than me is zero.
>I've read most of the papers on Krashen's site, several things that are not on it, quite a bu tof the hypothetical stuff that Chomsky and philosophy-of-language scholars have written
And yet you didn't know what the interaction hypothesis is?

You know that's basically nothing right? The equivilent of maybe 1 textbook, 1 single unit. You are spending too much time reading outdated and philosophical works. Read some modern studies, read some modern journals.

>playing eroge for a few years would make you fluent
Dude just go play eroge if you want to. I have no idea why you feel the need to justify your actions so damn much.

What you are saying is the equivilent of "we don't need school, kids learn faster playing fortnite". Does this not sounds retarded to you? Whatever, go play eroge.

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>>21015042
>And yet you didn't know what the interaction hypothesis is?
What the fuck gave you that idea?

>You know that's basically nothing right? The equivilent of maybe 1 textbook, 1 single unit.
You're the one who said that merely reading textbooks is irrelevant, my friend :^)

>Read some modern studies, read some modern journals.
I do. And more than you.

>What you are saying is the equivilent of "we don't need school, kids learn faster playing fortnite". Does this not sounds retarded to you?
People do, in fact, learn English faster from video games and youtube than they do from textbooks. A LOT faster. And more easily. And to a higher degree of proficiency. What the fuck kind of distorted alternative reality do you live in where this is not the case?

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>>21015028
Because the mods trust we /jp/sies to make high quality effort posts.

I wish I had more text. I had to cut it short, and did not get to discuss grammar in the same context as vocabulary, among other things. In some ways I was aiming to make a really meaningful wall of text filled with heartful and hopefully inspiring guidance, but only in an ironic sense because I know he won't read it.

[Anonymous No.]

im gayer than you no IM gayer than YOU no im the GAYEST FAGGOT IN THE WORLD no IM THE GAYEST FAGGOT IN THE UNIVER

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>>21015014
>Basically, regardless of what may be the most mechanically efficient method of learning, it's a fact that consuming media is ultimately what will lead the most people to success with learning through the mathematical properties of time spent doing something, and level of engagement while doing something.
this is why i shit on efficiency tards. even supposing what they advocate for is more efficient (usually not a given) you have to take the human element into account.

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>>21015042
>You know that's basically nothing right? The equivilent of maybe 1 textbook, 1 single unit. You are spending too much time reading outdated and philosophical works. Read some modern studies, read some modern journals.
if you have no foundations, you cannot understand the modern theory in earnest or compare it to the old stuff like you are attempting to

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>>21015014
This is a great argument.

However I think that you should make your flash cards better and use them in combination with fun activities.

You can review/learn 1000 cards in an hour (including mistakes). Think about how long it takes to read 30,000 lines, and the distribution of kanji (most of those 2000 are probably very rare). The speed of flashcards alone would make the useful, ignoring their efficiency and automation.

What's more, if you read 10 or 100 VNs, you probably won't learn much more than those 2000. That's fine but it clearly shows the limitations.

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>>21015077
u r fuckin tarded my friend

[Anonymous No.]

also the input hypothesis is still a very modern theory in the grand scheme of things, it marked the beginning of the modern study of language acquisition and remains relevant and valid today. not a single theory that does not function as an extension to the input hypothesis is taken seriously by anyone with any merit.

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>>21015077
>What's more, if you read 10 or 100 VNs, you probably won't learn much more than those 2000. That's fine but it clearly shows the limitations.
EXPOSED as knowing nothing about the Japanese language. Just another stupid beginner talking shit and pretending to be an intellectual. Carry on, everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

reading is actually gay and youll learn nothing. if you want to get fluent you need to use flashcards, like natives all do

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>>21015059
>What the fuck gave you that idea?
You (maybe another anon) copy pasted from wiki as an argument. What's more, no one who knows any modern theory would concentrate so much on the input hypothesis.

>You're the one who said that merely reading textbooks is irrelevant, my friend :^)
Correct, glad you finally admit it. You don't learn a textbook by reading it!

>I do. And more than you.
I'm sure that's why you mentioned some outdated historical works and philosophy and why your knowledge is outdated and from wiki huh.

>What the fuck kind of distorted alternative reality do you live in where this is not the case?
You are completely dellusional.

I'm not going to respond to you any further.

"we don't need school, kids learn faster playing fortnite" -- SERIOUSLY.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015088
every time someone tries to compare a second language learner to a native i laugh my ass off....

[Anonymous No.]

if this argument is gonna continue im gonna need you both to present your toradora vocaroos

[Anonymous No.]

I learnt Japanese from watching anime so it clearly works and is the best way of learning Japanese

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>>21015097
this but unironically

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>>21015086
You're right, if you read 1 VN you learn 2000 kanji. If you read about 25 VNs you will know around 50,000 kanji.

Can't fault that logic, the math checks out.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is ニワトリ 「鶏」 and not 「庭鳥」?

[Anonymous No.]

https://streamable.com/tas5p
https://streamable.com/yotm8

matt agrees with jamal on eng subs. woah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015100
>every VN uses the exact same 2000 kanji

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>>21015014
I mostly agree.
I think both vocab and grammar is definitely best learned in-context, but kanji is another story. When I first started reading "for real" (10s of thousands of characters in one sitting) I found that my retention was pretty bad, that I confused characters all the time and that it was hard for me to tell if I "knew" a kanji (seen it before) or not most of the time. While I could read lots of words with context, it was just crazy how many times I had to look up the same word over and over again because I couldn't make sense of the compounds.

To me kanji was the biggest hurdle for retention because no matter how many times I came accross the same words with the same characters I still wouldn't be able to write it (have an image in my mind that isn't a blurry mess) and I found it greatly impaired my retention.

TL;DR read but do rtk lads

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>>21015105
what a surprise

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>>21015077
>Think about how long it takes to read 30,000 lines, and the distribution of kanji (most of those 2000 are probably very rare).

>>21015090
>You (maybe another anon) copy pasted from wiki as an argument.
That was someone else, just like I said.

>What's more, no one who knows any modern theory would concentrate so much on the input hypothesis.
The input hypothesis remains the primary theory of language acquisition to this day. The fact that you believe otherwise tells me that you are a dilettante.

>I'm sure that's why you mentioned some outdated historical works and philosophy
The standford page I linked is by no means outdated or historical. You know nothing about this topic.

>You are completely dellusional.
Every single English non-native I know with competent English is competent because of the time they spent on the internet, or by moving to the US or something. None of them studied it at more than a very basic level during compulsory education, and many of them had no formal study at all. None of them used flashcards. Not a single one. Additionally, using it on the internet is responsible for the overwhelming majority of new competent English speakers coming into the world today. If you disagree with anything I just said, aside from maybe my personal anecdotes, YOU are the delusional one, because it's littering the internet and extremely easy to notice, verify, and find academic descriptions of.

>>21015100
Aside from knowing how several hundred common kanji are used to write certain very common words and derivational affixes, and the tendency for "harder" writing to use more unique kanji per a given length of text, kanji count is literally completely irrelevant to how much a given piece of writing will teach you and increase your Japanese competency. Actually, literally, completely and utterly irrelevant. One hundred percent.

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>>21015108
I didn't do RTK and I don't have any of the problems you're thinking of or whatever.

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>>21015077
>What's more, if you read 10 or 100 VNs, you probably won't learn much more than those 2000.
Well, maybe you don't need to know more? If you encounter only that much in the material you want to be able to understand??

[Anonymous No.]

*ahem*
TORADORA VOCAROOS PLEASE

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015118
>None of them used flashcards
Japs use flashcards for English

I think we all know how good their English is

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>>21015107
More are the same than are different, as the anon 3 you said.

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>>21015118
First quote was supposed to go with the last one, cursor fucked around while editing.

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>>21015123
Did you study kanji at all outside of reading? Like to the point where you're able to write

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>>21015118
>Every single English non-native I know with competent English is competent because of the time they spent on the internet, or by moving to the US or something. None of them studied it at more than a very basic level during compulsory education, and many of them had no formal study at all. None of them used flashcards. Not a single one.
Jep. I only learnt about flashcards with Japanese and didn't use them for learning English. It's possible and that way you sound the most natural, I guess, because you've heard more native-aimed material which doesn't sound weird to natives - okay, the language used in anime isn't regular Japanese, but it's grammatically correct. And at some point you'll read something else anyway, like a novel.

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>>21015141
Why would I give a shit about writing kanji out by hand? Sure, I can write the most common several hundred kanji from memory just because the shape is burned into my mind, but realistically, it's a skill that I'm never going to use unless I move to Japan or something, which would be more than a decade from now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015150
for flexing?

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>>21015128
The point is if you learn with flash cards you can learn that info much faster. Since flash cards are faster for vocab and for grammar, media should be just for reinforcement, not the primary method. Flashcards are the most efficient input method, especially with something like anki that has automated spaced repition, deck management, etc.

Your primary methods should be flash cards for fast input, and actually talking to people for output. That is, if you want to learn fast/efficiently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015150
muh illiteracy

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>>21015150
It helps you learn faster, apart from that there's no need.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015154
If I wanted to flex I'd just memorize a couple really hard kanji and leave it at that.
>>21015164
Someone already covered that notion much better than you did earlier on in the conversation.
>>21014618
>flashcards and input have a synergistic effect
>>21015173
Cite a study showing that it helps you learn faster, taking opportunity cost into account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015077
>You can review/learn 1000 cards in an hour (including mistakes).
That's a card every 2.7 seconds. I can only imagine the blur of information that is clicking through a card every 2.7 seconds for an hour straight. Well, I can do better than imagine it, since when I did anki that's how fast I ultimately ended up going, and I can tell you that was not a particularly pleasant experience.

I think it's clear that Anki is an effective tool that you can learn a lot from. It's efficient and meaningful study. But it's really boring. Very unpleasant and boring. It's not something most people will want to do. For the majority of learners, the most meaningful day of Anki study will be the day they finally drop the program for good. So yes, it's all well and good to suggest doing Anki alongside fun things. In theory, that's fine. But just know that in reality, it'll just up being a cancerous little tumor in your side, draining your time and morale. Be ready to cut it off before it makes you quit Japanese entirely.

Also, the distribution of kanji is a bit different in reality than what you think it is. I would say, as a rough estimation, about 3500 kanji are in constant use in media, like a buzz of electrons. You never know which work will have which kanji specifically, but the majority of what you encounter will be within those 3,500. Of those 3,000, about 2,000 of them (mostly Jouyou kanji) are extremely common. Most written works will have the bulk of these inside of them and you really can't walk two feet without encountering one of them. The 1,500 character different between those 2000 and the 3500 in use are kanji like... I dunno, 矜 from 矜持. Not jouyou kanji, but kanji in fairly normal words that show up around the place, like "confectionary" or "zeitgeist" in English. Most people will know these, since they're in regular use.

To spin things around, it is true that using anki to grind out those 1,500 extra kanji would be more efficient than learning them naturally through exposure. But there's no need to do that. You'll learn them over time anyway. Think about it like this, will you take a 14 year old and make them grind Anki until they know a bunch of uncommon words? Nah, you'll let them keep watching TV and reading books and so on, accumulating the knowledge naturally. It's similar here. You COULD grind anki to learn those words, and it WOULD be technically more efficient, but it would be boring, annoying, and unnecessary. It's your choice to do that if you want. It's anyone's choice. But just like I choose not to grind hard English vocabulary, I choose not to grind hard kanji or what have you. Exposure is more than good enough. It takes more time, but it's more fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015164
>Your primary methods should be flash cards for fast input, and actually talking to people for output.
Nobody has ever learned a language this way and the fact that you think it's not just possible but fast/efficient tells me that you don't know any Japanese since you'd never get anywhere doing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015150
You're missing the point. I don't care about writing either, but being able to write a kanji is a good indicator of how "glued" to your brain it is. I found that learning words which had components that weren't "glued to my brain" was incredibly harder than for those words which components I actually mastered
For example for the longest time I always confused 類 with 数 (because in my brain they were black boxes with 米 in the top left) and most of the words that contained either just didn't stick.
Knowing the right kanji for words helps because it gives you tangible information to recall the word. Be it meaning, reading, or "word shape". If I wasn't sure of the right kanji for a word, it was way harder for me to master the word especially when seen in a different context.

[Anonymous No.]

Also grinding uncommon words or patterns in isolation gives you misconceptions about how they're used or what their nuances are. Those are things you can only learn by seeing them in natural use, and it must necessarily be random natural exposure. If you do anything else, you will acquire "play" knowledge about many words, but not actually understand how it should be used. This is VERY common with ESLs who learned formal English in an academic setting, and it's the most annoying trait your language usage could have. Why the fuck would you want to be like that?

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>>21015202
Writing is just a tool. As long as you differentiate different etymologies it doesn't matter. You have your head in some kind of kanji study gutter. Get out of it. You can worry about it when you actually know Japanese (don't kid yourself) if you want to, but there's no point right now. You're not going to be good at "recalling kanji" if you can't form more than very basic sentences without them containing obvious grammatical errors or misused words.

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>>21015217
Don't reply to my posts if you're not even going to read them let alone trying to get my point

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>>21015238
I did read your post. I'm telling you that you're obsessed with something that doesn't matter. It's not actually a problem, you don't have to focus on writing for these problems to go away, and if you really do need to work on it eventually, you can do that when you actually know Japanese because it's going to be much easier. That is a valid response to your post.

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>>21015180
>Cite a study
I'm not aware of any specific studies that analysed that, but obviously conventional wisdom is that engaging/interacting with the new content in more ways increases learning speed and retention.

It definitely would be interesting to see if there's been a study done that takes opportunity cost into account.

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>>21015253
Conventional wisdom about language learning is almost always wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

Will ending sentences with っす make me look like the master of Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015280
It'll either make you look gay or make you look like some kind of street punk kid. And you don't get to pick which one.

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>>21015246
Just how many times do I have to tell you I couldn't give less of a fuck about writing, I just mentioned it because being able to write a character means you can also recognize it with very good accuracy.
>you don't have to focus on writing for these problems to go away
I didn't focus on writing. I focused on actually learning kanji instead of recalling blurry shapes that I got wrong 90% of the time.
I legit could have seen the same character/word 20+ times in different contexts and still not be able to achieve OK retention

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>>21015280
いぇっす

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>>21015294
I know it doesn't have to be writing, you're reading my post wrong, chill the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015293
ちょうどいい、僕はそのイメージを求めるっす！

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>>21015303
Well then how do I achieve better retention without being able to tell words apart in different contexts?

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>>21015333
You naturally become able to tell things apart and remember spellings the way you're thinking of and forget words less frequently as a result as you read more. Really. It just happens naturally.

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>>21015184
>a card every 2.7 seconds for an hour straight
I don't think you should do anywhere near that many at a time. It's well established that you need to take breaks well before your concentration is strained. Think interval training, not marathon.

This ties in to "it's boring".

An ideal ratio might be 30 minutes consuming media and noting any new grammar or vocab. Add them in to anki, and study for 5 minutes tops.

Alternately, if you can stomach it, smash out the most common 1000 kanji and sentence structures in anki, then alternate reading/reviewing until you hit your desired coverage in both vocab and grammar. After that you are in maintance mode.

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>>21015280
use っつーの instead

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>>21015256
I guess I should have said established knowledge then.

We can agree that the more connections you can make with new information the higher retention is right? So it follows that learning to write kanji increases your ability to read them. I'm not sure about the time tradeoff though.

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>>21015365
Nobody would ever argue that someone who did RTK and nothing else and is otherwise indistinguishable from a complete beginner who did not do RTK will learn faster than the complete beginner, at least at first. That doesn't mean that it's useful or worth it, or that it won't make a lot of people drop Japanese without getting somewhere they can pick it up where they left off if they do.

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>>21015344
おk

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>>21015377
won't learn faster*
Forgot which way I started the sentence, hopefully the intended meaning was obvious.

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>>21015066
?

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>>21015377
I think that has more to do with people not actually using Japanese and frontloading a huge amount of boring/tedious work then quitting, rather than an argument against RTK.

Similarly, I'm not sure about it being 'worth it' considering the time investment, like I said about writing kanji a few posts back. Does it help? Yes. Is it worth it? Like you I'm interested in seeing the numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best place to read raw manga online? Something like mangadex but for raw manga

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>>21015403
There are only a couple and they all suck because the Japanese government actually cracks down on easy-to-use manga piracy sites. Just download or buy it. (You should always download samples before you buy stuff btw, sometimes the resolution is unreadably low.)

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>>21015403
https://raw.senmanga.com

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah, like senmanga sucks, the selection is incredibly limited. You can use it if something you want to read happens to be on it but it's not very useful for browsing for new stuff to read since it's missing so much.

[Anonymous No.]

Also a lot of these sites tend to be magazine scans instead of volume releases for some reason (I'm not sure why). But the volume version is usually more polished and can contain extra stuff, especially if the series has weekly chapter releases. tl;dr: buy/download full volumes if you want the rEaL ManGA ExpERience

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Stupid question probably, but how do you guys look up words you don't know when reading VNs?
You can't copy paste the text.

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>>21015118
>Every single English non-native I know with competent English is competent because of the time they spent on the internet, or by moving to the US or something. None of them studied it at more than a very basic level during compulsory education, and many of them had no formal study at all. None of them used flashcards. Not a single one. Additionally, using it on the internet is responsible for the overwhelming majority of new competent English speakers coming into the world today. If you disagree with anything I just said, aside from maybe my personal anecdotes, YOU are the delusional one, because it's littering the internet and extremely easy to notice, verify, and find academic descriptions of.

Its my case. You're right man, the best place to learn english is on the internet if you dont live in an Anglophone country.

I believe that people who only know their native language and have never become fluent in a second language and decide to choose the most difficult language to reach fluency (Japanese), suffer more because they dont know a shit of acquiring a second language.

I believe that this is the situation of many native english speakers here. In Europe the situation is different, since bilingualism is common among the people (sometimes even trilingualism)

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>>21015674
most people use a text hooker but when i read manga (same concept i guess?) I use google translate app on my phone to scan the kanji. or if i know the kanji in the word i just type them out separately. i.e 進歩　＝　進め＋歩く

[Anonymous No.]

Have the tango decks leaked yet?

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>>21015674
I use a dictionary, obviously.

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>>21015674
textractor automatically copies text that appears in a VN into your clipboard. if you have an extension like clipboard inserter for firefox, text in your clipboard will be automatically pasted into a page on your browser. using a hover dictionary like yomichan you can look up the words.

[Anonymous No.]

month 5. anon still has no tango decks. anon still hasn't learned japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

help me

I dont like vns. Actually I dislike it rather intensely.

Is there any other media consumption alternative that is equally efficient?

[Anonymous No.]

LN's maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015683
>>21015709
thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

watati ha gei detyu

[Anonymous No.]

so this is what the death of djt looks like

[Anonymous No.]

Asking here just in case there's any interest. I'm working on a Classical Chinese anki deck that should go all the way through Confucius' Analects by the time I'm done: is there any interest in me sharing my deck's source so it could be converted to a Kanbun deck? Kanbun and Classical Chinese are the same exact thing and I know Japanese study it in middle school—I don't know the cultural value in Japan but I do know I no longer come off as someone who's never read a book in my life to Chinese since studying the classics. No problem for me to post it somewhere, no loss if not.

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>>21015753
why not

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone in this thread gone on to be fluent?

[Anonymous No.]

はい、私わ流暢です。

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>>21015685
Just an idea, but you could buy the books, take a photo for Nukemarine and he will send you the decks.
And then you can share it with us all in here.

PS: If, while reading my message, you thought to yourself "im not gonna do this" and had a disregard look on your face, then why the fuck are you expecting people to do exactly this for your benefit?

[Anonymous No.]

I know saying a time like 8 o'clock would be 8時. Is it the same for saying something like "I'll be done in 4 hours (4時)"?

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>>21015861
４時間

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>>21015102
why is ウケタマワル 「承る」and not 受け賜る?

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>>21015867
Thank you

[Anonymous No.]

「Japanese brackets are cool.」

[Anonymous No.]

わたしは「ゲイ」

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>>21015872
thanks, I always thought that it means something like 受けた　回る

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>>21014353
This one is easy if you already know the words 虫 and 食む, it's just a compound word that they later decided to write with a single kanji.

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>>21015916
カッコはかっこいいね?

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>>21015963
かっこつけないでください

[Anonymous No.]

when you finally learned japanese did you feel underwhelmed by the whole thing?

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>>21015976
what is that even supposed to mean?

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>>21015984
the process, the result, one's life, etc.

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>>21015987
If you hate your life before learning Japanese, learning Japanese wont make this any better. Once you know Japanese you can now somewhat competently communicate in one more language. It will never be as close to effortless as it is in your native language and most things you will hear in that language is the same trite shit you hear in your own with a slightly different cultural flavor on top.

I'm not exactly sure what sort of enlightenment some people expect from learning a language.

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>>21016068
This one fits better.
無知文盲

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>>21016068
述而不作

[Anonymous No.]

魑魅魍魎

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>>21016136
it is now cuz わたしがいる

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE_eppxzl-E

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>tfw watch too much anime
i got this pc like 3 months ago as well

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>>21016068
群雄割拠

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>>21016162
if thats all anime ur winning so hard

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>>21016231
i tried to read these vertically and now my brains full of fuck

[Anonymous No.]

how do i master relative clauses

[Anonymous No.]

>Bought an expensive Japanese snes game to motivate me to keep studying
Its not even that I find studying boring, but I can never dedicate myself fully unless I put something on the line.

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>>21016305
Yes.
Compare learning 3000 Kanji (months at least) to learning a different orthography (a week if you're an idiot.)
Compare learning Sino-Japonic roots (as long as you use the language, pretty much) to adjusting your already-extant Hellenic/Latinate vocabulary to a new system of pronunciation (maybe a month—again, if you're an idiot.)
Compare difficulties with pitch accent, keigo and vagueness (uncertain but almost certainly huge amount of time) to... grammatical gender and some different tenses, maybe grammatical case if you're studying German or such? (like a week to wrap your head around if you're an idiot, a few weeks to really start remembering at most, again, if you're an idiot)
Compare learning a whole new cultural cast of characters and set of social expectations to getting just a little more familiar with things that already affected hundreds, maybe thousands, of years of your history.
When you finally get to producing output rather than recognizing input, compare your cultural ideals of communication being taken as stupid and childish (either a lifetime of relearning social norms OR a constant and severe handicap if you never adjust, which is quite possible) to... maybe having to learn a few new turns of phrase at most (a year at most to adjust to, much less if you're not an idiot)?
European languages are a cakewalk and anyone crazy enough to be here owes it to themselves to learn one just for the comparison.

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>>21015779
first define what you mean by fluent
because even passing N1 doesn’t guarantee fluency

[Anonymous No.]

it doesnt even imply fluency

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>>21015779
Yes. I am fluent in English, Russian, and Mandarin (the greatest language on Earth).

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>>21015411
>sometimes the resolution is unreadably low
every manga i've downloaded has had this problem.

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>>21015202
>For example for the longest time I always confused 類 with 数 (because in my brain they were black boxes with 米 in the top left) and most of the words that contained either just didn't stick.

I've found this problem can be solved by just learning all the 300 or so radicals/components and having nicknames for them, so you can call them out as you see them in new kanji that might look similar to others you know.

Writing each radical out, and a few kanji so you can practice building a kanji using them (rather than just overall stroke order) is great to cement that. But once that's done, the benefit of writing the other 1500 or more jouyou kanji decreases significantly. If you can see a kanji, point out its radicals and name them, you're good to go imo.

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>>21016162
imagine having watched less than 30 anime again.

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My brain IS a cynical wasteland of emoness and Japanese basically saved my life, so I'm pretty sure the guy who treats it like it's pointless is just dumb or something.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is boring today

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それなら楽しくてなって

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Guys I just finish all videos of dolly, already learn 1.7k kanji so what now?
Should I finally start to learn Japanese?

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>>21016632
And this is what a 1280px scan with furigana looks like. Perfectly readable, especially the white-on-black parts. (The reason the black-on-white furigana is harder to read is rather complicated but it's basically because they downscaled/blurred the image in linear light instead of perceptual light for some reason. If your image viewer has some kind of gamma or contrast control it's not a problem.)
>>21016651
Japanese Amazon.

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how to remember kanji
i'm a fucking brainlet and don't know what i should begin from even though japs should be my 3rd languame

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>>21016699
learn all the radicals (pieces) and their stroke orders. there are only around 300 of them. RTK might be useful for only that.

then start mining vocab/sentences and write the first 200 kanji you encounter using your knowledge of radicals and a bit of help from stroke order diagrams.

after that just keep reading and learning words. reinforcing kanji through words and, recognizing the differences between similar kanji by radicals will become automatic. no reason to go through the entire RTK.

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>>21016683
Manga that started several years ago are less likely to have reasonable resolutions, these two started somewhat recently.

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>>21016654
>videos of dolly
link?

[Anonymous No.]

>"すごいな……"
>素直にそう言ってしまえる。
Why is it しまえる here and not しまった or something

[Anonymous No.]

read some tae tae ?

[Anonymous No.]

Those half-second cuts with text in Monogatari... can fluent/native people truly read most of them without pausing?

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>>21016136
mined
>>21016654
Have you done RTK or core 50k?

[Anonymous No.]

startin to wonder if i should have put bangers in the op after all this thread is so shitty

[Anonymous No.]

dont cuz i aint gonna post any these threads are under a strict banger embargo until further notice

[Anonymous No.]

i mean seriously i tried 2 meet u shit ass idol pop trash fags half way and this post got literally 0 action ?? >>21014452

im fuckin over yall

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>>21017121
lol I used to play the hell out of that album. Ike Ike was the shit.

[Anonymous No.]

no one in this thread deserves bangers but i gotta say hinoi only has 3
night of fire
now and forever
ike ike

[Anonymous No.]

i've literally had a VN open for 8 hours in the background but it's too boring to alt tab back into.

[Anonymous No.]

u cant say that without sayin what vn

[Anonymous No.]

i cant believe karbin already missed his first sunday blog

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017151
>>21017157
I'm more curious about which VN doesn't run at 60 fps even when paused because the devs are lazy as shit. The fans spinning non-stop should be a fair reminder to either get back to playing or close it.

[Anonymous No.]

are u trying to learn nihongo on a laptop

[Anonymous No.]

ummm vns dont make my fans spin

[Anonymous No.]

VNs with few exceptions are always refreshing the window, even when out of focus. Open task manager. It's easy to program that way, you wouldn't think displaying an image with text would be computationally expensive but they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>not learning nihongo on a 70 inch 4k hdr oled screen

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>>21017157
i'll let you know in a few weeks

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>>21017267
at this rate ur not gonna finish it in a few months

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017266
what's the point if you're only gonna post low quality images of sluts anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017275
i'm so fucking lonely

[Anonymous No.]

im so fucking gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>21016885
Yeah I also thought doing vocab first, or at least mine 500-1000 words. My accent is already good I think. I am Spanish speaker.

>>21017003
I did kanjidamage

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017277
I didn't want to crash your pc

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>>21017278
then why r u avoidin the waifus

[Anonymous No.]

reminder that if this isnt u ur not gonna make it
rip the dudes who couldnt read オナティッシュ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017266
The rips come in 720p anyhow.

[Anonymous No.]

Whats the Japanese equivalent to The Great Gatsby, The Giver, To Kill a Mockingbird, Animal Farm, East of Eden, Lord of the Flies, In Cold Blood, etc.
Highschool core, the shit every kid has read in highschool

[Anonymous No.]

Shoutout to anon who posted about this book, it's fucking amazing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017366
人間失格

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>>21017366
japs don't really produce good stuff outside anime. i'm not saying that's horrible - nobody can compare to the west in 99% of things. they should be proud they can make quality cartoons.

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>>21017378
Already read it.
>>21017380
I mean they still have to read in school....

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>>21017369
uh people constantly mention that book and it's in the OP are you retarded? miss me with that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017380
Oh you mean all of the stuff America steals from japan like power rangers, godzilla, their game shows, their variety shows, chef shows, etc.. Yea those shows are pretty good.

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>>21017427
>all the stuff
you listed like 2 things by name, and no matter how much stuff you list it's absolutely dwarfed by what the west produces. that aint a battle you can win dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017427
>their variety shows, chef shows, etc
What are you referring to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017416
Yeah this thing is so well written and structured that I could read it forever, doesn't even feels like studying

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>>21017433
I can keep going.. speghetti westerns were heavily influenced from samurai movies. Even star wars director George Lucas admits to stealing from Akira Kurasawa 'The hidden fortress' look it up. Per capita japan shits on the west.

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>>21017444
"inspired by" counts for shit. nobody cares about samurai movies. everyone knows star wars and spaghetti westerns. try again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017439
Ok cool I'm not the only one. That's how I felt and read it quick when I got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017447
They're a sliver in size to the west and per capita there is no comparison. Except maybe israel.

[Anonymous No.]

>thinks the western world is just the U.S.
brainlet detected

[Anonymous No.]

ur all brainlets stfu

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017462
he made it about the US. i said "the west" in the beginning. the US dominates film so the fact he would try to take it there is quite funny, but even europe outproduces japan in film. in terms of literature and music, japan stands no chance against europe. but japan makes good cartoons and we all appreciate that enough to come here.

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>>21017366
Garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage. I don't mean anything by that. I guess I hate high school tier literature. They used to teach them Latin in high school for Rei's sake, so they could read Virgil. But they may read some of these.

The Dancing Girl/舞姫（Mori Ougai/森鴎外）
Kokoro/こゝろ（Natsume Soseki/夏目漱石）
Yoakemae/夜明け前（Simazaki Touson/島崎 藤村）
The Crab Cannery Ship/蟹工船（Kobayashi Kitaji/小林 多喜二）
Natsu no Hana/夏の花（Hara Tamiki/原民喜）
No Longer Human/人間失格（Dazai Osamu/太宰 治）
Fires on the Plain/野火（Ooka Shohei/大岡 昇平）
The Silent Cry/万延元年のフットボール（Oe Kenzaburo/大江 健三郎）
The Legend of Tono/遠野物語（Yanagida Kunio/柳田 国男）
Jidai heisoku no Genjo/時代閉塞の現状（Ishikawa Takuboku/石川 啄木）
An Autobiography/自叙伝（Osugi Sakae/大杉 栄）
Listen to the Voices of the Sea/きけわだつみのこえ（Wadatsumi Association/日本戦没学生記念会）

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017478
all of this is high school lit for japs tho lol

>kani kosen
its literally simple as fuck propaganda for workers, its not even high lit

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017478
>copying and pasting from reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017487
>all of this is high school lit for japs tho lol
he didn't claim otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017478
I mean I don't care about half of the books I posted, I just wanna know what they read.
Thank you very much.
>>21017487
>>all of this is high school lit for japs tho lol
Thats what I wanted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017490
>I guess I hate high school tier literature.
except what he said was 矛盾 as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017471
50% of the worlds robotics, fastest trains, 90% of the worlds train tracks are in japan, longest life expectancy, most things are better there down to the toilets and hygiene. I guess if you obsess about tv the west is better.

[Anonymous No.]

dont forget 100% of the worlds weirdest porn comes from japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017478
>こゝろ
Thanks, now I know never to touch some pretentious fag's books who writes こころ like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017496
>50% of the worlds robotics
if you wanna compare innovation/scientific achievement per capita japan is behind western europe. but i was just talking about media/art.
>longest life expectancy, most things are better there down to the toilets and hygiene
good genes in that respect. offset by their conformity though. RIP nick

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017489
How am I supposed to know what they read in high school? If dude can't use google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017517
>話す日本語?
stopped reading here

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017525
not as disgusting as the title full of diacritics

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017535
Embedding bad habits and broken grammar while having your correct grammar "fixed" by intermediate learners is sure the best way to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語話しますか

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017539
u know there is still a point where u have to let the nihongo hopeful be responsible for themself when they try to interact

i guarantee u ppl who spend some time interacting and thinking about nihongo while trying to do so are more likely 2 actually learn japanese if they are doing the other known good things to learn a language

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017541
ハイ、リュウチョウデス
ナニ？　セイチョウッテナンデスカ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017546
Agreed. Krashenites have undervalued the fuck out of output. Writing and speaking help build up your language neural net regardless, show you what you don't know and need to know, and help your perspective for input in general. Giving your subconscious some output lets it know to open those paths for later when you are good. Don't focus on it but not doing it at all is so dumb imo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017551
サンキュ

アンドユー？

[Anonymous No.]

feels good being an autistic shutin who doesn't care about output

[Anonymous No.]

おっきいなおっぱいを眺めるの好き

[Anonymous No.]

unfortunately what that also means is u dont care about learning japanese

all u need is output the size of a mustard seed

like faith in jesus

u just need a little bit and u will get so much more just open ur heart

[Anonymous No.]

>t. doesn't know about the 12 steps to fluency laid out by Benny 'the polyglot' Lewis 先生

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017586
if i aint a yeezy man can i just pick up that dumb meditation book or somethin instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017560
very true, all of this. if you don’t even open those output pathways your brain will assume they’re not necessary. but if you start waking them up a little bit, things you learn from input will start to carry over and become more accessible in further output attempts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017597
just fuckin love jesus dude

he loves u why u no love him back ??

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017594
Are polyglots really fluent, or do they just spout 100 canned phrases at random, and everyone is too nice to call them out on it?

[Anonymous No.]

fuck, guys. when you release craving and allow your inner reactivity to settle, life becomes so 美しい and 雄大
it takes practice and there will be lots of slip ups and times where you still get triggered. but the 果実 make it so worth it to keep trying

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017471
>US dominates film
lmao
imagine being this uncultured

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017605
jesus is just a symbol for deep peace, unconditional love and transcendence of the ego... which any human can achieve with practice. jesus did not create that state nor is he the only way to access it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017605
to start with he aint even native hell fuck up my nihongo
most nihonjin dont care about him either except those people at キリストの墓

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017613
I'm glad senpai is having a happy time, and I hope he has 子孫 some day.

[Anonymous No.]

oh karbin if ur here there was a small mistake in my improved banner for u that i fixed after i posted it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017608
All those polyglots are like level 30 in all the languages they claim to be 'fluent' at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017619
unfortunately all those things do not get u into heaven w.o the jesus part so maybe u could just make a small mustard seed sized concession in ur way of thinking here

>>21017621
theres actually a lot of weird japanese ppl w. weird jesus shit where its like relax dude we only need a mustard seed not ur whole bag of crazy lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017659
hell might be more in line with my interests though u know ? eroge n all that

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015674
trackpad draw kanji into the jisho search bar, add to anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>21016162
dude netflix has anime now bro
:^)

[Anonymous No.]

全艦前進！突撃だ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017659
heaven as in a location you go after you die doesn’t exist as far as any of us know...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21016162
I have a second pc with 8tb full on it too

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017783
if we're talking data hoarding, i have about 20tb (hdd), about 1000 bds and a couple thousand dvds, and 80tb on the cloud

all otaku stuff (anime, movies and tokusatsu)

[Anonymous No.]

you guys are some serious hoarders holy shit. have you actually consumed all of that media?

[Anonymous No.]

So where do you put the artifacts of your pre-immersion life? Where do you put your English-language stuff? In a closet somewhere? No. You get rid of it. Mp3s? Delete them. DVDs? Scratch, sell or slice them apart. Posters? Post them to someone else. Get rid of it. Delete, destroy, dispose. Suggestions: Sell that stuff on ebay and reinvest the funds in Japanese-language materials. Become Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

カンニング = cheating (on a test)
This language makes 0 sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017863
lmao it’s cunning!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017863
cunny

[Anonymous No.]

where does matt get the groovy background music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOj4zOcNdak

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017805
I own Spanish translations of Dickens' works, a German translation of tne Bible, and a French translation of Dante's Divine Comedy. I can't think of any reason why I'd bury any part of my past. Being able to read in one foreign language is good, but not forgetting about 4 other ones feels just as important to me. Surely there couldn't be a problem in re-reading one of Plato's dialogues translated to English after spending an hour reading an eroge, or could there be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017805
>Become Japanese.
lots of nihonjin love foreign cultures especially the west

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017863
ずるはよくないよ

[mia discord No.]

mattvsjapanToday at 15:45
This video really made me cringe. First all of, her voice and that avatar thing lol. But ignoring that, if you watch her videos, her method is 90% AJATT, with a few changes here and there. First of all, she doesn't give AJATT any credit, despite it being pretty obvious that it's where she got most of her ideas. Second of all, she completely fails to understand the distinction between learning and acquisition, and all the changes she made to AJATT are based on this misunderstanding. Her misunderstanding of the nature of language and language acquisition, combined with her japanese pronunciation (if you go watch her other grammar videos, she pronounces many things as if she has never heard them spoken outloud by a Japanese person before), leads me to think she must be at a high intermediate level at best. Many of her points are self-evidently false from the perspective of someone who has reached a high level of fluency in Japanese. But she spins a good story to sell to people who don't know better. I could explain to a beginner why her story is wrong, but from the perspective of that beginner, what I say would just be another story. That is why ultimately, it comes down to only trusting people who have the results that you want
https://youtu.be/AEYp-_wp_VQ

[Anonymous No.]

baldr sky spoilers but YOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018063
I need to replay BS. Too bad I can't erase my memories, it's one of those games that partially rely on the slowly developing story across the routes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017973
i don't necessarily disagree with him on language acquisition but the way he talks about it still makes me cringe. just fuck off already you balding dweeb.

[Anonymous No.]

i'm not good enough to keep track of what's happening in a story, let alone a supposedly good story like baldr sky, so i won't play it for at least another 2 years.

sucks having to read shit like hanahira.

[Anonymous No.]

if u dont read compelling stories u wont make it cuz ull just stop reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017560
You don't know Japanese, or any language other then your native one for that matter, and don't understand how output actually fits into Krashen's theories. Don't post about things you have no way of understanding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018080
I almost wish I would've waited to play it, because sometimes I have to really slow down when reading it, but it's really entertaining and the gameplay is fun, too, so I can't regret it too much. I'm really praying that Aki's route is good, because she's my favorite character so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018124
I personally didn't like her that much, but her route was good. She's on Dive 2, so it will give you a fairly new perspective of the story after an early branch, especially since the 3 routes of Dive 1 can start to feel a bit samey.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got experience test prepping with the Shin Kanzen Master N1 books? I decided to get them because I plan on sitting N1 in the summer but I've never really done formal self-study before before so I don't know what I'm doing lol

I'm just going through all the questions and reviewing the ones I get wrong, but should I be making flashcards or some shit? I've never really done flashcards before so I'm not sure what I would put on them anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>21015118
>Every single English non-native I know with competent English is competent because of the time they spent on the internet
I bet they didn't just read English comics and I bet they took longer than to reach fluency than someone who did the same while studying.

Input is just one piece of the puzzle, consumption is not study.

[Anonymous No.]

what kind of person would discover that some anons shit all over the thread 12 hours ago and say to themselves now its my turn

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018189
Sorry, my mind was blown by people unironically arguing that reading comics on the internet is /the/ most effective way to learn a language.

Learning a language without ever even using it is crazy to me.

[Anonymous No.]

Has anybody found their self pronouncing certain words and vowels the Japanese way ever since they've started to learn Japanese? Obviously it's not intentional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018207
That's nice, too bad that language acquisition efficiency is not based on your hunch and feelings.
Output is worthless.
Even if you have a conversation with natives, what actually makes you better is listening to them as they talk to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018223
when i want to say a japanese word in an english sentence i dont know what to do anymore
but if youre talking about english words thats probably just you

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018223
I get this with proper nouns I only encounter a lot in Japanese media, I have legitimately accidentally called people named Maria like マリア and had to correct myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018234
I feel weird saying Tou-kyou in English when most people around me say To-ki-o.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018241
Do you ever feel like people view you as elitist for doing it? Because that holds me back from pronouncing it properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018225
60s language acquisition theory? Output is as important as input. You should look up some of the cognitive models. Not trying to be rude, but there's no one in the last 30 years who thinks language acquisition is based only on input.

Obviously the original anon was being intentionally obtuse by saying that you can learn a language just by reading manga or whatever, at the very least you need to be using the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018252
No one even mentioned it to me that my pronunciation is different. Most people just don't care if they say foreign names correctly or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018253
But anon, the old and outdated theory is that you must practice conversation in the language and write essays if you want to learn it. You got it all upside down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018241
at least the expectation there is obvious but the further you get from what people commonly say in english more unsure i am of if i should butcher it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018241
みみからおぼえるんだよ

>とーきょー

はい

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018257
Nah back in the 60s there was a theory called the input hypothesis that said input is the only factor for language acquisition. It was quickly superseded (by the shocking idea that actually using the language makes you learn faster) and now it's accepted that input is just 1 factor.

I don't think writing essays is very helpful, but I guess it's about as helpful as watching random anime...

I'm guessing the first anon just wanted a justification to skip studying and read manga, rather than them actually believing that input is everything. Kinda cringe to see someone claim to have science on their side while spouting far out dated theories though. I'm sure it's harmful to other people who legitimately want to learn and then hear "you will achieve fluency fastest by reading naruto".

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018253
You don't know what you're talking about. Get the fuck over it and stop posting.
>>21018257
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018081
Is Matt physically capable of making conversation without shouting "YOU'RE UPPER INTERMEDIATE AT BEST!!!". He does this shit even to natives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018259
whenever I have to say a word with a ら行 sound I turn into the sweating man meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018268
Everything you just said is wrong. When are you going to give up and admit to yourself that you're not educated on this topic? It's actually, legitimately pathetic. You could be watching a movie or something right now, or cleaning your kitchen. Instead you're bullshitting on 4chan because you can't hold your ego in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018269
>>21018277
Haha ok, you aren't going to convince me that all modern pedagogy, educational psychology, applied linguistics, neuropsychology, etc, are flat out wrong and that you are right while citing only a single outdated hypothesis from 50 years ago. I don't think anyone else is convinced by your rants either.

If you want to go read manga, go read manga. Why do you need my approval?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018277
>back in the 60s there was a theory called the input hypothesis
>wrong
based intellectually bankrupt anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018285
Modern science supports the input hypothesis and its extensions, not your made up bullshit that it literally disproved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018294
Yeah that statement is actually technically wrong. The input hypothesis wasn't a theory, it was a single element of a larger hypothetical framework that had not graduated to being it's own theory and rendered the other aspects of the framework obsolete yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018301
Not my post, just pointing out how you are so enraged by nominal problems with the statement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018316
It is your post and you're samefagging. Nobody would defend such a trivial aspect of your nonsense.

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine spending time you could use studying Japanese arguing on 4chan instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018317
Chill, I just found it funny that someone was so mad about using the term 'theory' to describe a 'hypothesis' and listing the wrong year (which I guess you didn't notice).

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018317
>everyone in the thread disagrees with the one 2smart4u input hypothesis fanatic
>"you guys are samefagging to gang up on me! ;;"

take this advice >>21018319

[Anonymous No.]

im reading japanese the manga way book, its decent

[Anonymous No.]

im studying eroge its decent

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018361
どんなのよんでるの

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018329
Why did you respond to the same post twice? You're pathetic btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018365
cool which one

[Anonymous No.]

>>21016559
>I would have assumed you were a native speaker of English, my man.
No you wouldn't. Why lie?

[Anonymous No.]

ぼくたちはなにしてるの

[Anonymous No.]

>>21016110
Don't worry, I'm finding RTK really fun, anon. Fun! Fast! High retention rate!

It's easy to have too much fun and waste time, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018454
はなみの

じゅんび

しろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018410

??? your english is great dude and i'm not even the other guy

[Anonymous No.]

https://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?pid=182825#pid182825

Anything that gets copied to the clipboard will be translated. It uses EDICT dictionary. I thought it might be useful for people that read stuff like manga, VN, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

外人? More like ゲイ人 lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>じゅんび
please dont write kango in hiragana

[Anonymous No.]

(When) is it (ever) appropriate to switch to extremely informal speech with your Japanese bros and start cracking gay/ bully jokes towards one another?
Ever since I learned some words I was looking for a reason to use them jokingly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018410
no my man really your english is great i dunno what your accent is like but your writing is completely fine aside from some minor typos/editing mistakes

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018538
no one in japan makes gay jokes you bigot
jk idk

[Anonymous No.]

guys stop cat fighting and start kissing
キスで中直して

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018547
お前の母ゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018534
dont tell hiragana posters what to do
hes doing more to respect imoutos memory than you ever will

[Anonymous No.]

>imoutoposter
flop

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018551
Are you retarded its 仲直して

[Anonymous No.]

u dont realize how important imouto was until shes gone

[Anonymous No.]

>>21014572
>>21014601
>>21014618
>>21015403
>>21015424
>>21015683
>>21018253
>>21018268
>>21018285
>>21018519
Manga is not reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018590
thats not retardation thats a simple typo son lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018492
>>21016110
I'm the wanikani guy from last thread (if anybody even remembers)
I switched to RTK and I'm not going back
Thanks based /jp/ weebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018610
manga is reading actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018648
>>21018610

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018636
Good job anon. Use the money you save to buy something nice for yourself and be sure to laugh at reddit for flushing hundreds of dollars down the drain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018636
I literally just did this myself. How're you organizing stories/flashcards?

I'm using koohii with a copy of RTK on the side, as I didn't fancy any extra hassle, and I can just load my export into anki if it happens to die.

[Anonymous No.]

i just discovered voiced audios you can get off to im excited by this opportunity for ahem listening practice

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018689
they seem like a valuable resource but that world is so new to me i wouldnt even know where to begin
gambare with ur gains

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018683
I dont need to write down my stories. At least not yet, maybe I'll have to start doing it later down the road but right now I find it to be unnecessary extra work. I only use an Anki deck I found on google and a pirated 4th edition book while waiting for my real copy to arrive by mail. How many are you doing per day? I have a lot of free time so I'm doing 50 per day, it's surprisingly manageable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018689
Aren't you afraid of ending up sounding like some kind of tranny porn star?

[Anonymous No.]

Gonna test my limits today and try to learn 100 new kanji with RTK. Wish me luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>再び魔法陣の間へと急いで戻る
>Again hurriedly returned to the room with the magic circle.

The question is about yomikata of 間 in that sentence.
Outside of set expressions a solitary 間 is usually read as あいだ, but here it means room/space (meaning that I haven't seen this kanji used in often.
Should it be read here as ま or is it still あいだ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018753
がんばってね　アノン

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018724
About half that right now but it's picking up. My rationale for doing stories early is that I'll be quicker at it by the time I get to more complicated stuff. In the event that I do forget something about a kanji, a quick change to the story can fix it.

[Anonymous No.]

キメセク

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018755
it's ま

[Anonymous No.]

Is DJT always this retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

イエス

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018840
What's the other 58%?

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/mattvsjapan/status/1107766551229296640
i think matt actively wants calvin to fail

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018851
Come on, it's fun to kick a dead horse

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018768
My bad I guess my wording wasn't clear, I do actually make stories up, it's just that I keep them in my head without writing them down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018851
calvin responded to a youtube comment that he left matts discord but a few hours ago he tweeted about being happy to see people with jobs in matts discord can he stick to anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018856
dont do that to the guy whose paying you 10 bucks a month though thats fucked up

[Anonymous No.]

xiaovin is still very much in matt's discord he just posted there a few hours ago
he left the discord for a while before rebranding

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018866
hes already collectively talked shit about the patrons he thinks arent gonna make it before

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018866
His fault for paying 10 bucks a month to Matt though I get you

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018875
aint karbin reapin the consequences of that enough already

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018882
Yeah if you're lurking karbin just stop it before you get hurt more

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018652
Don't post that shit at me

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018893

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018893

[Anonymous No.]

歌を歌う
踊りを踊る
食を食べる

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018927
食べ物もいい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018934
問を問う

[Anonymous No.]

卵

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018938
野郎をやる

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

きょうからかわるって

N1くらいからよめる？

>外務省は４月から、一部の外国名の表記を改める。中米の「セントクリストファー・ネーヴィス」は「セントクリストファー・ネービス」に、アフリカの「カーボヴェルデ」は「カーボベルデ」に変更。現地大使館の名称を変えるための関連法案が１９日、衆院を通過した。月内に成立する見通しだ。
>河野太郎外相は同日の記者会見で、「ヴ」の使用をやめる理由について「あまりなじみのない表記はなじみやすい表記に変える」と説明。「分かりやすい表記に統一すべきだ」と述べた。

[Anonymous No.]

I've got like the basic grammar (everything for N5 and N4 plus a bit) down, should I just try to learn it from context and look things up I don't understand or continue to learn grammar isolated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018979
Not reading this. Next post with 5 decides what I read next.

[Anonymous No.]

イマ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019021
星継駅蒐集箱

[Anonymous No.]

Monster Park 2

[Anonymous No.]

かなりきわどいんだけど

Navyを

ネイヴィーとかくか

ネイビーとかくかとかそういうとこなんだけど

ヴィーはなるべくやめていくみたい

[Anonymous No.]

ど真ん中
emphasizing center two times like this...japanese people are psycho to the max

[Anonymous No.]

at least it makes more sense than english

"right in the middle" lmao what a stupid language

[Anonymous No.]

Don't talk shit about my tomodachi english.

[Anonymous No.]

My favourite katakana is probably 夕

[Anonymous No.]

KOHH bangers begin where your favourite biggest bangers end at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019002
this is ez

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019094
right as in exact, or correct, not the direction
kek

[Anonymous No.]

matt uploaded his own version of a DoJG grammar deck, if anyone wanted a simpler one than what's in the CoR. but i still prefer the CoR because of the multiple example sentences.
https://twitter.com/mattvsjapan/status/1107838469798162432

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019212
actually it has multiple example sentences for a basic grammar point like あげる so it might have several sentences for each point. and it has almost 6k cards. probably would work well with morphman but that shit's too gay to use.

[Anonymous No.]

WOW! Hey guys, if I committed to learning Japanese since my first attempt in 2013 then I would be fluent and probably in a different continent XDDD

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019228
It's never too late, my tomogaki

[Anonymous No.]

>>21014220
Man, this post is a rollercoaster of shittiness.
A lot has already been covered, but no one has mentioned yet that tatoeba sentences are fairly often wrong and should be avoided.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019228
>and probably in a different continent
why? japan sucks

[Anonymous No.]

japan only sorta sux

if u got shit to do it sux a lot less than if u just float around in the giant lake of sadness and despair that is the commonwealth lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018253
Output is as important as input. You should look up some of the cognitive models.

I'm more than willing to look at work done post-Krashen. Got any citations or the names of leading proponents of these models that you could recommend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018253
> Output is as important as input. You should look up some of the cognitive models.

I'm more than willing to look at work done post-Krashen. Got any citations or the names of leading proponents of these models that you could recommend?

[Anonymous No.]

watched a video by a Jap in my native language and he said that avg. Jap does know every jōyō kanji, but they SURELY can't write them all

is it legit possible than any adult Jap cannot write all of them? where's the difficulty? I can write out more than 3k kanji by hand

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019532
are you legitimately this stupid

[Anonymous No.]

congrats u dont know japanese and memorized chinese house drawings for literally 0 benefit until u learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

its true that you need to output in order to learn how to speak but you can still learn to comprehend the language without saying anything and why would you want to speak if you cant understand what the other person is saying

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019537
maybe I am, what's your point?

[Anonymous No.]

btw the difference between u who memorized chinese house drawings and a japanese person who cant write all the joyos is that if u tell them one to draw they might be able to draw some of it and get it wrong but still able to attempt where as u, the tard, u either have it memorized or u dont and theres no in between

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019544
you are legit butthurt because you cant write out kanji and i can? stop making it about yourself, stop being personal

i asked a simple question that has nothing to do with me or you, but with an avg jap

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019559
natives understand their language better than foreigners, MIND BLOWN

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019563
? i wasnt thinknig about myself @ all when i wrote that post

maybe try not being esl so u can better understand when ppl write things to u

>>21019567
settle down tard thats not an acceptable cop out here

[Anonymous No.]

Man, I love coming here, because it's nothing but people who don't know Japanese acting like they do and telling each other terrible study methods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019576
i'm english you daft fuck

[Anonymous No.]

"terrible study methods" is kinda redundy dont u think

>>21019584
so why u so mad i wasnt trying 2 make u mad i think its cool u can do a neat party trick with the chinese house drawings and if u learn japanese someday itll really be of some benefit

like literally it was a complement in the 1st place ur just halfway there to being epic dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019585
No, because not all study methods are terrible. Even if you're in the camp of "just read a lot and don't do flashcards or anything", reading a lot is a study method.

[Anonymous No.]

like for real think of urself like the why japanese ppl guy except u can write more than 鬱 and numbers 1-4 lol

>>21019593
but if they are posted in djt they are all terrible

also i dont wanna get in2 the semantic thing cuz thats gay but i dont consider playing to be studying and all u have to do is go play

studying is better served after uve played for a while and wanna know some answers to the why questions

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017973
i miss the days when matt would make "hating on" videos, back before he found inner peace through meditation. a video where dolly has glowing red eyes and is surrounded by pentagrams would be hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21018063
>Spoiler

>Hey, our senpai is a psychopath who flies into a rage whenever anything goes wrong.
>Senpai just tried to murder a bunch of teenagers for heckling him.
>Senpai's miracle wonder invention is actually an apocalyptic grey goo
>Senpai's asking us to take strange drugs that rewrite our brain
>Senpai's asking us for advice for a FRIEND OF HIS with a degenerative brain disease that's been known to cause psychopathy
>Senpai's project was shut down, he immediately told everybody to get as far away as possible from his lab, and then it was ground zero for an apocalyptic grey goo

>GASP! SENPAI WAS EVIL ALL ALONG!?

You're as retarded as the characters in the story. And the writer is double retarded because he retcons all of it into interdimensional mind control from a brain in a jar who discovered that AIs have multidimensional magic powers. Now that's a fucking spoiler.

[Anonymous No.]

the alternate reality where matt became a djt shitposter couldve been fun

[Anonymous No.]

baller sky owns if ur a fuckin teenager dude relax with the epic sp0ilarz

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019603
Playing is still studying if you're playing for the purpose of learning a language. And if you're not at least in the back of your head keeping the goal of learning the language in mind, you're likely to learn only a subset of the language that you need for the form of play that you do.

[Anonymous No.]

btw if u like epic reveals syarin no kuni is the game lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019616
>Playing is still studying if you're playing for the purpose of learning a language.

so dont fuckin do this ? if ur not playing solely cuz its fun and interesting at face value w. no ulterior motive ur not really playing ur just going thru the motions like a fuckin drone

stop thinking about "learning japanese" and just play !!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

also i guess ever17 also counts as epic reveal but u cant see it till u *snorts* open ur third eye

[Anonymous No.]

oh btw if u wanna know how memed out proportion certain vn titles r in the west just talk to a japanese lad about eroge lol itll blow ur mind

i had a guy tell me oh oretsuba was ok but i think otoiro by the same company was better

i was like lol that owns

[Anonymous No.]

otoriro*

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019639
have you considered not being drunk constantly

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019639
https://streamable.com/x545uさん ??????

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019416
only the big cities suck. yet gaijin flock there like flies

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019626
See, I disagree with this. I think you should think of it as learning Japanese, even if you're just mostly playing, because you should guide your play somewhat so that you encounter a wider variety of material. I think you should probably aim for 95% play and 5% study.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019707
Yep. Tokyo is shit, but I lived in Shiga for awhile and had a great time. Definitely recommend getting out of Tokyo and exploring the countryside.

[Anonymous No.]

fuck that go south and west dude

get ur ass down to kochi ken go fishin

[Anonymous No.]

wish I understood the whole 'manga is not reading" meme...

sounds pretty stupid... pretty much like 99% of the posts in here

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019767
I think the idea is that with most manga, especially shonen, the pictures give so much context that you don't need to really understand Japanese to get what's going on. Plus you're missing out on any descriptive language.

I think the first bit can be avoided by not reading shitty shonen. The second bit, well, read a novel instead.
Plus it's just a shitty meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019771
still doesn't make much sense. at least i think so

setting aside translation and interpretation, language is based on four skills: listening, speaking, reading and writing.

and I, in all my ignorance, think it suits better to one of those skills. Reading, perhaps?

[Anonymous No.]

magazines and sports shit are reading

[Anonymous No.]

reading prose is important in developing your language abilities
manga has very little prose in it; it's mostly dialogue

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>>21019667
How can I cope with being outside mt comfort thone otherwise?

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>>21019519
He doesn't, there aren't any.

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>>21019780
then why wont my teacher let me do book reports on them ???

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>>21019776
with YOU, i can agree.
of course that are reading levels and manga, specially shounen, are the lowest. Losing only to young children's books. But still, its reading. and i think its an awesome step before trying harder things like vn, ln, novels, classics..

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>>21019789
Good on ya.
>>21019794
Holy shit, it finally makes sense. The people who call certain things "not reading" had it drilled into their brain by school that things other than proper novels are inferior and don't count.

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>>21019789
thats what I was trying to make people here understand yesterday. with no luck, unfortunately. ppl here still thinks its good to add 100 sentences cards that took at least 5x more time than vocab cards.

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漫画は読むものじゃなくて見るものだ

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>>21019789
If it's taking you that long to rep the cards, then they're probably too hard for you. Read more simple stuff. You should definitely not be spending 33% or so of your time doing cards. Try for closer to 20%.

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glad i could help dispel the manga isnt reading meme lol

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>>21019807
何が見える

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>>21019807
well... last time I checked, all manga i read (native language, english and japanese) had words on it. not only pictures

[Anonymous No.]

20 new words through Anki is getting too much for me. I don't have enough time to learn grammar as well like this, let alone try reading.
I've managed at least to do 20 words a day for 23 days.
Is it ok if I turn the number down to 15 (or even 10) words a day?

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>>21019827
no if you reduce the cards you'll stop learning japanese

fuck you for asking

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>>21019827
If 20 words a day isn't manageable, definitely bump it down a little. It's better to learn slower than to burn out.
Just make sure to get some reading practice in as well.

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>>21019827
In my opinion, yes. What works best to me is to learn 100-120 words in a day (lets say a monday) and add no new words for the next days. And when I feel like it, I unsuspend a couple of adojg entries...

But I'm sure 10 to 15 new words will get you where you want eventually.

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>>21019827
better yet reduce it to 0 words a day and just read instead

[Anonymous No.]

One advantage I’m seeing with Chinese media is that there is subs for most stuff (at least most stuff I’ve seem so far). This will be useful for when I’m mining in the future.

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>>21019845
won't you forget almost all of the words if you learn 100-120 in one go?

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>>21019859
It really depends on how much time you have to spend studying and how much of a base you have. I've found that once you breach 6k or so words, you can add a lot more words in a day as opposed to when you first started learning. But it does take time, and you don't learn them all on that first day, that's why you use a SRS system so that you learn them gradually.

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>>21019859
No, no. I really enjoy memorizing stuff. it's a hobby of mine. When I first started japanese I was doing about 100 words and 30 kanji. Unfortunately, the reviews got out of control, so now I just do like this. Whenever i feel like, i do the amount i like (80-120), and let it be for a couple of days.

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worst thread in djt history

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>>21019870
this

From 93 words I added yesterday, when i was reviewing them today, I got 7 wrong. That happens. As long as the person keep reviewing them, its gonna be alright.

The problem I see is people adding sentences to anki using the excuse of context. I dont agree... I think it's better to add the word with one or two definitions and that's all. it makes reviewing much faster.
About the context, you can get that by reading (manga, ln, vn, etc)

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>>21019870
>once you breach 6k or so words

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>>21019900
I want more shitposting

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>>21019900
idk i just sorta proclaimed it haphazardly

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>>21019878
You know, this reminds me of something that the "read only" people forget is that some people actually enjoy doing their reps on anki. I know I like it because I can quantify my progress, as opposed to reading where it's a much more qualitative measurement. Of course, I still read because the two definitely are synergistic. The way I see anki is that it preloads the words in my head, and then I truly learn them when I encounter them in the wild.

>>21019904
Yeah, it sucks. But this is why being consistent and not burning out is so important. If you learn 16.5 words a day, you'll hit 6k in a year. Which can also work out if you do 10 words a day for 3 months, 15 words a day for 6 months, and 20 words a day for 3 months.

Just make sure to read as well!

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>>21019905
>>21019912

unfortunately i don't like shitposting. at least not on purpose

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it is pretty fuckin down in the dumps tho

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>>21018979
>THREE YEARS from starting to speaking even the simplest sentences

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>>21019918

couldn't agree more with you, anon

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>>21019918
Thanks for the motivation. I'll make sure to read as much as I can. I already started to read Yotsuba a bit.
I really should try to finish the grammar guide soon.

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>>21019918
>preloads the words in my head, and then I truly learn them when I encounter them in the wild.
this.

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>>21019925
nope. you got that wrong
it's on the third year, not after three years.
It can mean 2 years and one day.

(beginner stage 1 year / intermediate state 1 year)

hope you learn how to understand texts before learning japanese.

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>>21019128
結局見た目より中身…

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>>21018979
Honestly, if this is how I tried to learn Japanese, I would have quit. No actual content until 6 months in? Fuck that.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5CQG0RU2xU

sorry i really cant keep going w.o bangers in my life however they will only be in english until u show me u can handle them in japanese again

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>>21018979
>meditate 1h a day
anything above 20min is stupid and a waste of time.

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>>21019808
It’s not that they’re hard or long really, it’s just that it takes longer to read a sentence versus a word. Going quickly, not reading definitions, I did 21.8 sec per card. I could probably do double the vocab cards in that time.

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>>21019955
Honestly? I think it's stupid above 1 second.
But I really don't understand it and perhaps I couldn't be more wrong about it.
One day I try to research this topic better and maybe I can change my opinion

[Anonymous No.]

I started learning Japanese around 1.5 months ago
>can read Hiragana
>can read Katakana
>around 450 words in Anki (90 mature)
>halfway through grammar guide
>read 10 pages of manga (I know it's nothing)
How am I doing lads?

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>>21019967
If you have enough free time, I think you could bump it a bit more. If not, I think you're doing a great job

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>>21019964
No, meditation is really great. Unironically got me out of depression.
Watch these videos if you want to get into it someday.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMMerxh_12U
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvJLmVYVvVM
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAVPDYhW_nw

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>>21019964
I've found some use out of meditating after reading and studying for about 5 minutes, just to let things settle in my mind and solidify. But how much this is placebo vs actual effect, I'm not sure.

>>21019967
That sounds like a pretty good start, and you have layered your studying well. Good job, and keep at it.

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>>21019791
That's what I expected but I figured just this once I'd give the benefit of the doubt.

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>>21019976
Hmm, not that easy. I'm studying and have other hobbies as well that are important to me, but I'll definitely try to read more.

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>>21019982
It's all thanks to the guide in the OP. It's really good.

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>>21019979
Boorkmarked them. Thanks for the recommendation. I'll choose a day where I'm more open to new ideas.



>>21019982
Honestly, if it works, it doesn't matter much whether it's placebo or the real thing.
I'll check this mediation thing

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>>21019925
that's what i plan on doing. once my comprehension is really high i'm going to hire a tutor and talk to them for an hour twice a week or something.

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>>21019988
Sure! Then you are doing a great job, like I said. Just keep doing it and I'm sure in a couple of months you will be better than 90% here

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>>21019994
No problem. You won't regret it.

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>>21019805
>The people who call certain things "not reading" had it drilled into their brain by school that things other than proper novels are inferior and don't count.

you cracked the code lol this is definitely what it is. this arbitrary ingrained bias.

to the people who said it's because you can tell the whole story from the pictures.... no you can't lmao. not of anything with actual substance. perhaps that might have some truth to it if you read nothing but shonen crap (not saying all shonen is crap but. there are so many other genres of manga). but even then, if you care about details and character development at all you'll still have to read regardless of how basic the shonen is.

manga are less challenging than novels, LNs and VNs, no ones arguing that. but they're still reading. i've learned at least 2,000 new words from reading manga that i still encounter to this day in books and other media.

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>>21019999
Thanks, I hope so. I'm planning to go to Japan next winter for holidays, so I kinda have a "deadline" which is motivating me to do as much as I can.

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>>21019998
Honestly, paying for this is silly. There's a lot of ways you can talk to people for free online. For beginners, I recommend creating a new twitter account and just following Japanese tweeters. As you read more and more, you'll want to reply. Since it's a new account that's not connected to you, it doesn't matter if you reply poorly and make a fool of yourself, because no one will know. It's an easy, low risk way to engage people that lets you have time to think over your post before posting

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>>21020016
nah. i don't feel the urge to write or talk to them. i'll just be learning to speak for the sake of it.

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>>21020016
alternatively just shitpost on 2chan.

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>>21019955
> anything above 20 minutes is a waste of time
laughs in jhana
lol if you think that, it means you've never practiced at the higher stages. very fuckin cool things can happen when you're able to sustain attention and introspective awareness for an hour or more. cool things like entering states of pure clarity of mind where literally all you feel is blissful oneness with everything and your body just feels like a ball of luminescent light
i have yet to hear of anyone who's gotten to that place and didn't think sitting for an hour was worth it.

that being said, i am glad to see conversation about meditation happening at all. great stuff. the potential benefits go way beyond cognitive/learning improvement.
guy who said it helped with your depression, really glad to hear that and i hope you continue to see even more freedom as you practice. it's transformed my depression and anxiety as well.

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>>21020055
This is exactly what drives me away from meditation.
Your post sounds like a hippie protest decades ago. It really makes me feel like meditation is a voodoo shit.

So if you really want people to learn more about it, please stop talking

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>>21020061
it drives most people away from it. these cultists are just doing a disservice to themselves if they want meditation to catch on.

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>>21019776
oops i saw that your post was in part agreeing with mine.

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>>21020066
I know, right? It looks exactly like a hippie manifest from 70's or something. I can even imagine the colors of this fanzine being handled by unshowered ppl.

I was getting genuinely interested in searching for this matter, but comments like this really pushes me back (and I'm sure pushes everyone with the slightest interest in it)

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>>21020061
Don't listen to that guy.
Already doing 10-15minutes a day will give you immense benefits for your daily life.
No reason to dedicate your life to meditation.
Just making it a habit like brushing teeth is enough.

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>>21020055
Yeah, I'd ignore this guy. He's mostly just daydreaming apparently.

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暖かかった

when nips say this word do you they feel funny

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>>21020110
not as funny as you do when you say "N-no, I-I'm not gay, mom."

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>>21020110
I've heard it for 熱い but not 温かい

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>>21020114
...Huh? That doesn't even make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

the worst thread in djt history

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>>21020124
You clearly haven't been here that long if you think this is the worst. We've sunk WAY lower.

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>>21020061
>>21020066
sorry if i freaked you guys out. i was responding to the person insisting that more than 20 minutes is "a waste of time"... it really isn't and i described why.

i understand that it sounds "hippy" but what i described is literally something that actually happens, and you don't have to pray to any gods or do anything mystical to make it happen (for the record i'm atheist, and i don't believe in crystal healing or any of that shit). it's simply the result of sustained inner attention over a long period of time. and i wouldn't have believed it either when i first started. but it's real and has happened to me multiple times now when i started sitting for longer.
i never insisted that anyone has to meditate that long or aim for that if they don't want to. just that it's possible for people who meditate longer.

there are hundreds of people who aren't hippies that post about these states regularly. it's an actual phenomenon. look at all these thread titles.

[Anonymous No.]

this thread's OK. i was worried with the meditation and "words per day" stuff but it got back on track with this post.

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>>21020134
...Yeah, I was meditating 10 minutes a day before now, but I'm quitting now.

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>>21020083
i never said <20 minutes wasn't beneficial (it is) or that anyone has to go longer. i just said that the person who claimed going over 20 minutes was a "waste of time" didn't know what he was talking about.
please pay attention to the context of the conversation and who i was responding to when i made my comment.

[Anonymous No.]

heres a step by step guide to learn japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsStsGjqV2Y

[Anonymous No.]

An anon teaching people about meditation would be like someone other than Matt trying to teach Japanese. Leave it to the experts.

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>>21019948
The point is no one ever learned Japanese this way, not even the people proposing this method. It's their platonic ideal of a learning regimen that no one ever followed.

[Anonymous No.]

i don't know japanese but i know to trust matt because he's native vetted. people make mistakes. get over it.

[Anonymous No.]

お母さん、実は私はゲイじゃありません。
はい、マジです。
失望させた本当にごめんなさい。

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>>21020103
>Yeah, I'd ignore this guy. He's mostly just daydreaming apparently.
no i'm not. it's real. when you sustain attention for that long, weird (but also great) things can happen in the brain/mind/body. and i'm an atheist who does not believe in anything new age like crystals or astrology. i'm only saying this because i've experienced it. see my above post with screenshots of people discussing jhanas.

and also, this. it's a small excerpt from TMI that explains that the only thing necessary to get to those states is sustained attention and a mind that is sufficiently relaxed and "unified" (which just means not in conflict or thinking about random things). not magic, not crystals, not chanting or praying to any weird hindu gods.

perhaps relax your biases and acknowledge there just might be things you don't know/haven't experienced yet.

[Anonymous No.]

could someone remind xiaovin to update his pinned tweet?

[Anonymous No.]

>whole body jhanas
>random indian gobblygoop
holy FUCK these people are wack

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>>21019807
Fun fact: to read something you have to look at it. You played yourself.

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>>21020147
good thing i'm not teaching anyone and only sharing my experiences and the experiences of others.
i gladly leave the teaching to culadasa, sam harris and the other guys who have books and apps out on this stuff. i'm just a person who's successfully used them.

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>>21020184
it's not a new day yet by the chinese calendar

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>>21020190
"have books and apps" like jalup?

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>>21020184
>xiaovinjtf
>jtf
im so happy calvins finally transitioning

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>>21020187
>it's a small excerpt from TMI that explains the only thing necessary to get to those states is sustained attention and a mind that is sufficiently relaxed and "unified" (which just means not in conflict or thinking about random things). not magic, not crystals, not chanting or praying to any weird hindu gods.

in case you didn't read all the way or are pretending you didn't see the last part.

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>>21020205
We get it, you've drank the kool-aid.

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>>21020183
Just a friendly suggestion, if you're hoping to convince anyone a screenshot of a page with incomprehensible technical buddhist terminology is probably not the best strategy. Maybe find some articles for laypeople that reference MRI scans and other established science.

[Anonymous No.]

tl;dr indian gobblygoop

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>>21020138
your loss. not sure what it is about inner joy that you guys hate so much lol but suit yourself dude.

[Anonymous No.]

this image

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/kana.html

https://jisho.org/ and some kind of mouseover dictionary

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/anon/boiro.html

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/%E4%BC%8F%E8%A6%8B%E3%81%A4%E3%81%8B%E3%81%95_%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AD%E3%83%9E%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F/%E4%BC%8F%E8%A6%8B%E3%81%A4%E3%81%8B%E3%81%95_%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AD%E3%83%9E%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F01%E5%A6%B9%E3%81%A8%E9%96%8B%E3%81%8B%E3%81%9A%E3%81%AE%E9%96%93/index.html

your brain and google

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>>21020213
this webm still triggers me cuz the video edit is fine but the dude cant write anything funny to save his life

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>>21020217
But Eromanga sensei sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020217
u 4got the most important part

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>>21020212
the thing is, articles that don't talk about jhana and unification of mind etc usually aren't the ones talking about what i'm talking about - which is specifically what can happen to your subjective experience after longer periods of meditation.

most articles directed at lay people only discuss things like stress relief and basic relaxation. i understand why, because talking about whats beyond that can freak people out. but when you have people claiming that "over 20 minutes is a waste of time", it's clear they've bought into the idea that the commonly stated benefits (the kind you'll see in mainstream articles) are the best meditation can do. my only intention was to point out the falsehood of that.

and i've brought up the MRI scans on here before and some guy still said it was bullshit. some people just really don't want to hear anything that conflicts with what they believe.

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>>21020238
no, it's good actually. read it. it's adorable. don't fall for the memes.
>>21020239
based

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>>21020211
what kool-aid? explain in detail what you mean. i want to understand how you're drawing the conclusions you're coming to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020249
who the fCUck cares about any of that this shit STFU

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020258
No thanks, I'm not into imoutos. I like big titty oneesans that go ara ara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020274
aramaa my ninja right here

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>>21020266
if you didn't care you wouldn't have responded, would you?
people who don't care about things don't give them attention. yet you got angry enough to write an inflammatory response.

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>>21020279
i didnt get angry i just saw ur post read like 3 words and went lol its this guy time for a canned stfu style response and then i hit the post button and was on to the next one

[Anonymous No.]

he doesn't care in that he doesn't want to learn about that pointless nonsense. obviously he cares about your posts in that they're shitting up the thread you smartass. get dunked on.

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>>21020290
delete that watermark and thats a good ass image lol

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>>21020294
gimme a sec ill see what i can do

[Anonymous No.]

>VNs are actually extremely boring
fuck what do i do now

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020184
Someone needs to save this boy from himself. He is constantly setting himself up for failure with everything he does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020302
read better VNs

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020302
Oh wow who would have thought that moege were boring and eroge shit at everything except porn

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020302
Read things that aren't eroge or moe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020312
i like to create posts from the heart but theres no reason id ever get angry as a result of internet posts

[Anonymous No.]

I can't believe you're still talking about xiaovin when it's pretty fucking clear he's a troll
I mean take a fucking look at this picture and tell me anyone would make this with a straight face

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>>21020285
what's pointless about being happy? lol isn't that literally the point of life?
and if he didn't want to learn about it he could skip the post.
there are hundreds of posts on here daily that are literally just people spamming "faggot", "autism" and "i'm gay" in japanese. but mine's the one you choose to focus on? interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

xiaovin is a epic fat black dude lol

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR1EoGNJWNM&t=5027

calvin talking to george

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020321
sounds more like you just react out of your emotions before even recognizing what they were, and then afterwards pretend they never existed. like most people do lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020337
if anything i post like how i wish i could feel or is most poetic to feel

[Anonymous No.]

surgically reconstructed

[Anonymous No.]

v. nice lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020345
you wish to feel outbursts of frustration/annoyance? lol interesting. never heard that before

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020358
laughed for a solid minute at this

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020373
if youre so enlightened dont you have better shit to do than get mad at people on djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020373
its like im not personally annoyed but i see a post that is so objectively bad that it should get a overblown dramatic response im gonna do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020302
do you have any interests outside of VNs? like just non-fiction topics, maybe certain sports or history or cultural things?

reading nonfiction that you're interested in can be really beneficial and a good break from all the weebtrash

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>>21020379
what about my posts so far have signified anger to you?
and i'm not "enlightened", whatever that means to you (probably something stereotypical and biased). i'm a normal person who practices meditation and is also learning japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

im normal. im not angry. you think im angry? lol interesting. im not angry and im going to prove it by arguing about this every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020382
so you pretend to have emotions you don't have...? that's a bit odd and i don't see the point when you could just feel how you actually feel. but okay lol

[Anonymous No.]

i'm half-convinced the meditationtard is actually matt

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020437
people have to be angry to discuss a topic or defend their perspective? or is that just what you're used to expecting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020438
posting is art dude like andy warhol

i see a post and get ideas not feel personal feelings about some shit a retard on the internet says lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020411
This might be a good idea. Any suggestions? What interesting nonfiction have you been reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020446
how do you decide which of your feelings are personal and which ones are just "ideas"? is this something you decide after the emotion has already arisen?

desu sounds like you're making up weird justifications to be reactive without acknowledging that you're being reactive lol.

it's okay to admit that you're reacting out of emotions you didn't choose. that's a common phenomenon on the internet, and you're no different than the millions of other people who do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020470
*takes a big diarrhea shit on this post*

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020470
*takes a big diarrhea shit on this post*

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020456
well i don't know your personal tastes, but i'm currently reading あのころ by さくらももこ, the author of the ちびまる子ちゃん series. it's an autobiography focused on her childhood experiences growing up in japan in the 70's. it's a sweet read that somehow feels nostalgic even though i'm a 90's kid lol.

i'm also reading the japanese version of コスモス by carl sagan. it's difficult because of the astrophysics terminology but i'm going to push through, even if it takes a while haha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017973
he does have a point in that dolly's pronunciation is so bad it makes me want to cut my ears off.
but, she seems to explain grammar pretty well, I think....

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020476
lol. point proven.

[Anonymous No.]

what point i havent even been reading ur posts that are longer than 1 line

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017973

[Anonymous No.]

>he doesn't know hundreds of Chinese characters

[Anonymous No.]

i'm not gonna respond to that guy anymore he deconstructs my psychology with surgical precision

[Anonymous No.]

Why did sad panda update its ui to suit phonefriends more than pcfriends? This will dampen my japanese gains for sure!

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020515
sure you haven't, you reactive kid you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020527
Whom are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020540
gg no rere

[Anonymous No.]

is it gay if i like manga with futa yuri?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020523
>I actually don't want anyone putting faith in me because of some "credentials". If what I am saying isn't as crystal-obvious (once you have followed the argument) as 8 + 8 = 16 then I have failed in your case. Let's shake hands and say goodbye.

>I am not asking for an investment of years in a method that may or may not work in any individual case. I am asking for an investment of a few hours at most (but you should know before then whether you are on the right track with me) in seeing whether my explanations "work" for you and bring clarity where there was obscurity.

>It is on that that I want to be judged, because that is the only thing that matters. Credentials are just non-logical fluff as far as I am concerned.

the dollinator herself.

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>>21020557
It's gay if you're a man and only want to have sexual intercourse with other men, or if you are a woman that only wants to have sexual intercourse with other women.
Unless you have sex with a futanari, you're 100% not gay, and even if you had, you'd be bisexual. Or just a weirdo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020578
'or just a weird' lol
nah, 3d life is quite normal. But 2d i enjoy weird shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020582
Porn is basically watching people that may not even exist having sex. Nothing's weirder than that, what kind of porn it is is irrelevant, unless it was made under conditions that had people suffer. If you watch that, you have a problem and that's not being a weeb

[Anonymous No.]

ackchyually...

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僕のことになると誰よりもゲイでしょう

[Anonymous No.]

what does ざがいっぱい　mean?

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oh wait nevermind

there are a lot of za

that's what it means

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>>21020609
>another poor victim of yotsuba for beginners meme

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>>21020609
ざざざざざざざざざ
ざざざざざざざざざ
ざざざざざざざざざ


ざがいっぱいある

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Whats that banger where the guy just says shit over 5 thousand times through out the whole video?

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>>21017973
His all or nothing outlook is really where his ideas go into cult territory. He needs to understand that he's not the only fucker on the planet who can help people.

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Different people learn differently - there's no such thing as the perfect method. Sure, there are things that are probably really effective or not at all (watching anime with eng sub, for example, because you're not really interacting with much of the Japanese), but in general, there are many ways to fluency.

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>there's no such thing as the perfect method

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>>21014329
Are recall cards really so bad if for the particular word there is one unique meaning which you can unambiguously and concisely express in English?

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>>21020504
Thanks, I’ll look into these!

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>>21020717
I don't read / watch hentai/eroge, so it's not a good method for me.

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>>21020685
Different people learn differently at different levels and different phases, and switching things up can actually re-motivate you. M4tt's bootcamp approach may work on the britvsjapans, but it's just going to ruin the language for the karbins of the world. Plus his methods aren't that spectacularly more effective to suffer over. He has good tips so if he toned down on the 一か八か shit he'd be more helpful.

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>>21015014
But what if I enjoy doing flashcards?

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>>21020685
Vocab, grammar, kanji, reading, listening
You can wrap them up in any package you like, you need to learn all of them to learn Japanese.
As long as you learn all of those, any method's fine imo.

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>>21020749
Yep, that's what I mean. I personally learn in a jumbled way no one ever detailed anywhere but it works, so yeah.

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>>21020609
there's a lotta 'za

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is this true?

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>>21020609

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>>21020721
The only time that ever happens is when you're learning jargon. Otherwise words always have multiple translations into English, and English words always have multiple translations into Japanese.

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>>21020791
I didn't say translation, I said meaning. There's a difference.

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>>21020775
Yea, in fact you can't NOT learn it if you are around it. If you see something new and you understand it, you learned it. The only reason kids are better at learning language is because they have no escape route. Exposure + comprehension + time = fluent

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>>21020775
If you have learned english(or any other language) then you're most likely capable of learning japanese.

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>>21020799
That's a meme and not true. When kids learn a language they even use a different brain area, then adults do.

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>>21020736
he's very slowly coming around on this judging from his acatt interview but it's taking him a long time to realize something so obvious. he even praises steve so i don't get why he still pushes all that stupid shit.

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>>21020805
>learning another Germanic language is the same as learning a completely different language

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>>21020795
Have fun putting actual dictionary definitions on your cards.

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>>21020814
i'm pretty sure there's an entire landscape of possibility between "these words are identical because they're technical terms" and "the idea between this word is so multifaceted and abstract that you need several paragraphs to scratch it"

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Some evidence that only reading while looking up is not sufficient if one wants to build vocabulary quickly - Tae Kim's blog. He doesn't use SRS and he used to post what vocabulary words he learned each year - it was always just 200 to 400 words a year. With Anki you could easily learn 4000 in a year just doing 11 new words a day.

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>>21020807
Using a different brain area doesn't mean anything. It's not like each place in your brain works totally different. There is absolutely no scientific proof that kids learn language better than adults. Just adults get more distracted with their lives over time. Have you talked to a kid? They're pretty much linguistically retarded till about 10.

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Do you guys recommend the genki books?
I'm learning with a teacher + anki 2k core + japanese grammar book

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>>21020824
Skim through the english bits and maximize your time and familuarity with the japanese and it's not bad.

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>>21020823
>"Babies who learn two languages simultaneously, and apparently effortlessly, have a single brain region for generating complex speech, researchers say. But people who learn a second language in adolescence or adulthood possess two such brain regions, one for each language."
Just 2 seconds on google.

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>>21020834
And? How does the different brain region mean it's any worse dummy. Did you read my post?

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>>21020830
Thanks senpai, what do you personally recommend? Finished learning hiragana and katakana, learning words at the moment

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I personally hate the stroke order of 隹 it's my nemesis now.
Otherwise, handwriting is fun.

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>>21020848
there's a link to a guide in the op, read through that

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>>21020838
You don't know much about neuroscience, do you?

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>>21020849
There is no stroker order for 隹 that could make sense to be shoujiki with you

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>>21020834
Why are you trying so hard to make excuses for yourself?
>the brain organizes what you learn into different places
Yea the brain tends to build on concepts outwardly and not randomly all over. So?
>apparently effortlessly
When you don't know anything everything is new and appears easier to learn. What kind of brainlet are you? Where is the proof that kids learn language better than adults?

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>>21020849
just think of it like writing the left 人 radical, and then ´ and then 王 but with an extra horizontal line going down.

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>>21020887
That's genius! Thanks a lot!

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>>21020849
It's not that hard, and more importantly it's so common you'll get it right 100% of the time in no time

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>>21020892
you're welcome bro

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>>21020849
>learning writing
Get with the times grandpa.

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>>21020878
>When you don't know anything everything is new and appears easier to learn
>Where is the proof that kids learn language better than adults?
You said it yourself.

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>>21020717
Man, that's a shit method and whoever made it should feel bad.

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>>21020965
If you know how to write, you definitely know that kanji. That's the only advantage.

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>>21020818
Sure, but you have no idea what those words actually are because you don't know Japanese.

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>>21021033
>it's good to solidify your recognition of kanji and it's kinda fun.
Is this true?

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>>21021058
no, he's memeing.

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>>21021033
I like doing it because I think it's awesome, also I (personally) remember things better that way.

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>>21021049
I mean, it took me about an hour a day for 4 months to get 3k characters down after two years of study, and it's improved my kanji recognition enough that I'm getting much of that time back.

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>>21021058
>>21021059
Not memeing, it did help with me recognizing kanjis, especially ones that look similar, along with expanding the kanjis I knew because I filled in a lot of gaps of kanjis I've missed.

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Playing Witcher 3 with Japanese text feels like the inversion of watching Eng subbed anime.
Also, it's completely fucking useless and doesn't help my Japanese at all.

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Play something made in japan with japanese subs.

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>>21021106
You should definitely try to focus on material made by Japanese people for Japanese people as opposed to things that have been translated which often sound unnatural in Japanese.

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Personally I really enjoy writing Kanji ane can't even concieve learning them without learning how to write. I don't understand why people are so opinionated against this.
I finished RTK in less than 2 months and I wrote each character many many times. Whenever it popped in Anki, and when rehearsing without Anki.

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>>21021120
Yeah, had to learn that the hard way.
I just wanted to play some witcher but be productive at the same time. Guess it doesn't work.
Back to Hanahira it is

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I can't get rikaichan to work right. It only ever displays single kanji definitions at a single time even after downloading dictionary files multiple times.
It's on Waterfox with Windows 7.

I don't have this problem using waterfox and the rikaichan on my windows 10 laptop but I hate using that thing.

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>>21021106
I watch anime with eng dub + jap sub.

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Why is this DJT so much worse than the /int/ one?

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>>21021122
I think it's because they personally don't enjoy writing kanji and so assume no one else does either. Just like how many people assume that doing anki every day is a pain in the ass, despite the fact that many people enjoy it too.

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>>21021140
Because this one is full of weebs who have barely learned hiragana and katakana and yet have strong opinions.

And to be fair, the /int/ one is also shit.

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Never seen a vn count until this letter

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>>21021098
>after two years of study
Here's the vital part of information. However it's still the preferred method to tell people to frontload Kanji (including handwriting) before doing anything else in the language and that is just setting people up for failure.

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>>21021179
Yeah, I strongly disagree with doing RtK right at the beginning. Do it after a year, and keep doing other study alongside it.

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>>21021140
Because for one reason or another people here love arguing about study methods and ecelebs instead of the language.

However on /int/ people are busy larping and grooming their thread personas instead. Some people really can't stand that shit.

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>>21021140
It's not. You just think it is because you don't understand /jp/.

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Major cringe.

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>>21021193
sure >>21019892 >>21020124

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>>21021106
It's pretty fucking awful. I weren't able to keep up with the subs and had to rely on the dub all the time. I gave up after clocking like 20 hours.

By the way, are there any Witcher ebooks in Japanese?

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>>21021221
oof

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>>21021209
Yeah, the int thread is pretty elitist, so I don't go there much. Mostly just go to steal resources and piss off the asshole from Poland by intentionally shitposting

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>>21021221
Sorry, I'm not autistic to the point of adding every single new word I come accross

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>>21021226
based

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>>21021226
We always know Australia-kun.

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>>21019848
Unironically this

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I love reading the prologue of something and be missing around 140 words. I hate having a tiny vocabulary...

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>>21021256
It seems to be universal constant that in prologues the author needs to show off his mastery of the language first before getting down to daily business.

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https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/丸山くがね_オーバーロード/丸山くがね_オーバーロード01不死者の王/index.html
Is that a strange word choice? I obviously have no idea since I suck

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>>21021270
in the prologue, before the first chapter starts (I usually grind manga, but I'm sick so I read this with yomichan instead)

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>>21019607
>senpai
Whats it like to LITERALLY be lower tier than the standard ankidrone?

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>>21021270
...what is?

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>>21021270
congrats on exposing yourself as being retarded by linking an entire LN and thinking we could see your selection

[Anonymous No.]

truly the worst djt of all time

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>>21021328
you still didnt specify what word you're talking about you dumb motherfucker. the prologue is like 50 lines

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>>21021182
>How do I recognise all these characters?
>just look at them a lot i guess
>Can't I just learn them?
>no you do that a year from now

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never even knew int had a djt thread and I've been here for many months lol

[Anonymous No.]

A cute onnanoko will never mieru at you like this.

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>>21021340
>Hey, I want to learn this language so I can read animus
>Alright, just spend 3 months learning new characters first
Really, the big benefit to delaying learning kanji for a year is that you avoid the burnout that comes with starting with kanji.

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>>21021365
Those are looks of pity.

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>>21021321
why on earth are these threads so full of total utter shit and "e celebs" who no-one should care about

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If you haven't noticed yet, it's to trigger losers like you with a temper.

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>>21021423
No idea. Especially because almost all of them failed at learning Japanese. I think the people here like them because they're failures too.

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if hes a gimmick how can this not be authentic https://streamable.com/yuxie

i have 2 really wonder if hes got a real medical condition other than obesity

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its just unbelievable that calvins dead and were stuck w. this chinese knockoff offbrand calvin

[Anonymous No.]

>not making flash cards from the bangers

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>>21021435
can we have a separate DJT for people who aren't just here to shitpost

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>>21021466
We'd have to leave 4chan for that I think.

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>>21021478
i'm pretty sure these threads at some point used to be half decent, what changed

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New years changed and for some reason we got flooded with dekinais, half learners, and shit posters. It's the equivelant to summer on /b/

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whining all day about how bad this thread is isn't much better than talking about thread personalities you know

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>>21021498
Ah, that makes sense. It's all the people who resolved to learn Japanese this year.

Hopefully they either give up or get good soon, because the last couple djt have been absolutely terrible.

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>>21021365
>mieru at
I see. You're not gonna make it my new friend.

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>>21020609
It's pretty bad when the other characters in the manga don't understand her

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>her
Wait a minute...

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>>21021549
...Did you somehow manage not to realize that Yotsuba is a girl?

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>>21021560
in the usual manga he reads there is little doubt left about that so it's no surprise that this is confusing

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i warned you guys about the meditation tranny and you didnt believe me but look what havoc was wrought on this thread

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this thread is easily the worst of all time

[Anonymous No.]

nani o taberu costco food court?

[Anonymous No.]

im eating ass

[Anonymous No.]

We don't have costco in europe, but try some mango.

[Anonymous No.]

i need to read more today but i don't wanna

[Anonymous No.]

imouto no ashi wo nameteirundesukedo
peropero

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Never going to make it. Reading is fun.

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>>21021708
then don't

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>>21021713
no it isn't
>>21021714
i will just as i have every day. it's gotten more bearable but it's still not fun.

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I forgot to do aniki

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why not do aneki instead

[Anonymous No.]

datte watasi ha gei wayo

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>>21021733

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>>21021782
you could have just posted the genki book for the same effect

[Anonymous No.]

めっちゃ眠い

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>>21021806
genki's only for the cool gays

[Anonymous No.]

everyone remember to drink your 緑茶 take your ビタミン and do your 瞑想！

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>>21021828
I cried

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>>21021828
Genki's for the gays that are so hot, they get molested on trains.

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>>21021720
what are you reading? that makes a lot of difference

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couldn't find a better image sorry.
Genki anime when?

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>>21021454
who dat

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>>21021444
> chinese knockoff offbrand calvin

lmao, well done!

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>>21021985
ty m8

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBva7Fu0O2Q

[Anonymous No.]

ここは日本だ！英語なんて必要ない
我々は日本語だけで生きていく！生きていくー！

[Anonymous No.]

fucking aniki crashed when i was finishing
i quit

[Anonymous No.]

an ode to the dying djt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyoN2f84wjc

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>>21021444
u gotta think about it this way
the matts of the world in their early nihongo days tell themselves theyre gonna learn chuugokugo next just to get even better at nihongo
karbins so far ahead of those kids he just skipped the nihongo part

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What's your favorite LN or novel in the DJT library? No idea what to read next?

[Anonymous No.]

who wants to bang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpuc09tBarM

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>これ*が売れて細々とシェンムーが続いたりしたら嬉しい
>*:これ is referring to another game.

This is a comment on the latest episode of ign's podcast/talk show しゃべりすぎGAMER. I'm having trouble understanding the sentence, especially the use of '続いたり’.

Does it mean 'if this sells poorly, then Shenmue will be continued and I'll be happy?'. If so, why is this form of つづくused?

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>>21022212
sry dude no banging here today

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just one slow sensual deep bang ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRCm9Km74yA

[Anonymous No.]

*shakes head slowly while looking down*

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>>21021863
this is fantastic

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a rare special and personal bang ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkpf4H6CNZI

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whats yalls opinion on guessing words based on context and kanji without checking the dic (when reading non-yomichanable things ofc). do you do it often? is it a valid way to increase vocab or are you just kidding yourself if you trust your guesses

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>>21022263
If you need to ask that question, don't do it.

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>>21022263
Don't do it, you're probably not paying attention to the actual kanji and word you're seeing and you might not even recognize it if you encounter it again. If you still want to guess and not inconvenience yourself you should at least note it down to look it up later.

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>>21022263
if you can guess then its obviously not gonna be hard for you to type and look it up to make sure youre not wrong

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>>21022263
u really learned nothing eh my man

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>>21022263
I check everything.. one of the things that kind of suck about reading. It's not like other media where you hear sound and get visual context to guess from too.

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>>21022263
巻きますか

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>>21022263
>when reading non-yomichanable things
n/a

[Anonymous No.]

悪魔と契りまくり
片っ端からヤリまくり

[Anonymous No.]

毎日、俺はお姉ちゃんの足を舐める

[Anonymous No.]

I'm 600 words into 2k/6k. How much longer until I can read without having to look up every other word?

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>>21022358
long road ahead of u dude

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>>21022358
Do grammer first. Tae Kim and Dictionary of Japanese Grammar. Then do VNcore and you should understand over half of everything already. If you really want to get faster at comprehension do the graded readers,but they're kind of boring.

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I just read 3 sentences without looking up anything. ITS FINALLY HAPPENING

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>>21022358
Last time I checked 2k/6k wasn't in frequency order, your 600 words could be terrible to start and I think they're core for reading the news. Thats why VNcore is recommended in the beginning.

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肛門
Word of the day

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ゲイ
word of the day

used in a sentence: わたしはゲイ

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>>21022414
are you actually gay

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>>21022365
こんなお姉ちゃんに罵倒されたい

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>>21022431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2hGrsExuyc

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>>21022280
yeahhh but times that by 50+ words and it can get 面倒くさい real fast

>>21022290
yeah you right. sound helps a lot. anime doesn’t have as many words, or as much of the types of words that books do though like descriptive, world-building stuff.

>>21022272
you right

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>>21022378
パチパチ bro

[Anonymous No.]

ヨーグルト欲しいなぁ

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>>21022470
*unzips

[Anonymous No.]

why is grammar so hard

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>>21022688
based on "intuition" or "memorizing a rule so well you instantly decode it when you come across it"

[Anonymous No.]

kitanai gaijintachi ha nippongo wo syaberimasenshi
warawwwwww

[Anonymous No.]

worst thread in djt history

[Anonymous No.]

naze to omou

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0DkHSmkIPw

[Anonymous No.]

when will karbin stop complainin about neets like having a life is why tryin to go full matt didnt work out lol

[Anonymous No.]

why does xiaovin have to make motivational social media posts every other day?

[Anonymous No.]

comes with whatever コンプレックス hes got goin on

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>>21022882
You should be playing this then.

[Anonymous No.]

I just got into matt's videos and I see him recommend learning individual kanjis a lot. I never did that and I'm just 1000 words deep in core2k and I have a good grasp of the grammar. Is there a solid reason for me to start learning Kanji at this point?

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>>21022928
Pretty funny pic but ultimately the dudes in this game aren't particularly desirable anyway.
If there was a homo game with this good of gameplay, though, I'd be willing to pay real money, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

whats a good anki deck for radicals? is anki good for radicals?

im tired of not recognizing kanji so im going the radicals approach

[Anonymous No.]

why did calvin delete his tweet on how great chinese dramas are

[Anonymous No.]

>>21022999
he didn't delete that tweet. xiaovin deleted his twitter. RIP

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>>21023002
fucking again ? how many times is this
it had only been 2 hours since he dumped a wall of text on how he wont go matt on chuugoku cuz it ruined nihongo for him
>>21023007
isnt that what ur payin for
that sweet attention
the recognition of ur existence
by the most important man in ur life

[Anonymous No.]

I am told that Grisaia is great if and only if you are new to the VN medium. That being the case, should I give it a swing while I'm still fairly new? Visually, it looks great, but I've heard some less than good things about it from the old masters.

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>>21023021
i havent played it but u need to take eroge by the horns and make ur own destiny
if it caught ur interest then try it and if u arent havin a good time for any reason find somethin else to read

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>>21013624
Is there a good alternative to capture2text on OS X?
Kanjitomo is pretty bad at recognition.

[Anonymous No.]

>Calvin
そしてまた一つの思い出が、頭の中に……浮かんでくる……

[Anonymous No.]

今日銀行混んでるなぁ

[Anonymous No.]

earlier today i was reading my book and i saw a word i recently learned and understood it perfectly in the new context because i anki’d it.
upon noticing this i felt a surge of glee run throughout my body, from my chest through my arms and head. before, noticing a recently learned word would just make me go “oh cool”, maybe a small smile. now? i genuinely feel glee. and it’s cause i meditate. it makes you feel more sensitively <3

[Anonymous No.]

はながさいたよ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8pnmbx6iEk

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023021
Nice common route, gets retarded after it branches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023140
I hope your fucking mom dies or something so it's even more painful for you then lol

[Anonymous No.]

u got even bigger problems than the meditation evangelists

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023225
kek

[Anonymous No.]

私の恋は抱き枕です

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>>21023244
yeah he definitely has unexamined trauma and emotional scars he hasn’t delt with. carrying that much hate around must really suck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023007
素晴らしい

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>>21023291
it's not too bad cause I don't meditate, barely feel it at all!

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>>21023303
you do feel it, it’s what comes up right before you say fucked up things to people you don’t know. sure you probably have too much self-aversion to sense it fully, but it’s still taking a toll on your mind and body for the worst.
get help, for the good of yourself and anyone else you come in contact with. a therapist that does mindfulness, DBT or CBT is a good place to look.

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>>21022105
now you can start learning japanese

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>>21023318
>CBT
what if hes an エス

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>>21023318
if I do that it'll just make me angry because I'll be more sensitive about your absolutely trash posts tho? I think I should avoid meditating so I don't get too annoyed about it

[Anonymous No.]

u just need to let the shitposts wash over u just like the nihongo washes over u

[Anonymous No.]

>ボブは魚が好きだ。
Why do you add だ at the end of this sentence?
Sorry, if it's a stupid question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023400
nvm I got it.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are japs so bad at English?

[Anonymous No.]

i like watching sumo cuz it’s fun to watch them slap eachothers fat

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023424
this just came up in my anki lesson

[Anonymous No.]

Is it worth it to learn VNcore besides the 2k/6kcore if I don't read VNs or is there a lot of overlap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023542
You can merge the two decks if you want. Both 6k and vncore should be fairly basic that you will want to learn anyway. I'm sure there is a lot of overlap. Try exporting one deck and importing it into the other, duplicates should be discarded automatically.

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>>21023542
If you've already completed 2k/6k, no, just start mining. If you're only a couple hundred words in, then sure, stop adding new cards in 2k/6k and start adding them in vncore instead. Suspend any cards you don't know.

Core 2k/6k is only a thing because people didn't have to spend any real effort making it, it's pretty bad when it comes to being a set of "core" vocabulary. A Frequency Dictionary of Japanese is much, much better, but wasn't around yet.
>>21023548
They have pretty different formats and sometimes have different choices for how words are spelled, I would not recommend this.

[Anonymous No.]

>https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/shousetu.html
How to download everything?
>https://djtguide.neocities.org/djtlib_link.txt
>2018-01-20
Updates?

[Anonymous No.]

>when you learn the conjugations of する

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023568
if im not mistaken this is everything
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/ebooks.txt

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023563
I'm only a couple hundred words in, but I don't really understand what you mean with "suspend any cards you don't know".

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023584
ohh makes sense, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023578
あら、全部しってるの？
まだまだ満足するな。
反省しな！

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023507
dam we must be soul mates bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>21019892
>>21022720
>>21019905
can we make djt not shit again

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017973
This just makes me think of some AEATT Nip cult leader saying Dolly is barely high intermediate level in English because she talks like a fucking weirdo.

[Anonymous No.]

全員

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>>21023767
sounds like she's pronouncing it zenging or soemthin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLfkgo-3_sk&feature=youtu.be&t=57

[Anonymous No.]

ゼ、ゼヌ・イヌグ草ｗｗ
お前らバカ外人なんだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023779
nasalization of vowels adjacent to n/m sounds is a well documented feature of japanese phonology

[Anonymous No.]

They would've known if they watched their mandatory 10000 hours of anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023779
tfw no sweaty obasan gf
Why live?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023825
Someone get this guy into erodoujinshi, VNs, and JRPGs before it's too late.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21022999
matt and yoga are teaming up to bully him now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023507
>having to mine 力
holy shit dude

[Anonymous No.]

>mining katakana
>using greentext for non-quotes

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023863
Wow you're actually retarded

[Anonymous No.]

oh thats a good one im gonna need to write that down

[Anonymous No.]

Don't tell him about 才

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017517
why is it always the THREE DIFFERENT WRITING SYSTEMS that people emphasize on when theyre talking about why japanese is hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023863
力 looks like the katakana "か", but it means "force". 才 is a kanji too and means ability/talent, just looks like the katakana "o".

[Anonymous No.]

>>21017517
Korean doesn't use hanja (chinese characters) in their regular written language anymore ...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023933
I think it looks a lot more like オ than o.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023944
yeah didn't switch to katakana keyboard. カ and オ. "katakana o" is オ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023944
>>21023947
>>21023933
>>21023912
>>21023863
ITT mount stupid beginners
Colour me surprised

[Anonymous No.]

just the foothills

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024029
u got more posts to quote if ur gonna say that lol

[Anonymous No.]

i've been n5 for like 6 months.

[Anonymous No.]

who gives a fuck

[Anonymous No.]

was on calvin's twitter about to read the responses to one of his tweets when suddenly a bunch of them vanished before my very eyes

[Anonymous No.]

karbins the most insecure person ive ever seen have an insatiable desire to publicize every time he has a thought

[Anonymous No.]

carbin needs to just put down his phone dude

[Anonymous No.]

just put down ur fuckin phones 4 a got dang minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=364sC__BJ5Y

[Anonymous No.]

What's that Mario Kart video with the Japanese subs on it? It has like a vocaloid or robotic voice on it
>>21023927
Especially considering how Katakana is just English, or any language aside from Japanese, and hiragana is only supplemental to Kanji

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>>21024090
And at this rate, you'll be n5 for another 30 years.

[Anonymous No.]

It’s not a pretty bad side effect. It’s an absolutely devastating side effect. Some folks were actually able to do this to themselves and get fluent very quickly. However, they sacrificed so much that they didn’t need to sacrifice to get to that point.

I think Matt even said one time that there is a period of time that was a blur. A freaking blur. That is not okay. Reaching a high level in a language that is 9.9999/10 isn’t important while sacrificing so much ain’t worth it. Which is why I am glad Matt is changing things for the better and isn’t like that anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

When did you realize she was dekinai?

[Anonymous No.]

https://streamable.com/6hm1z LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024197
>Reaching a high level in a language that is 9.9999/10 isn’t important while sacrificing so much ain’t worth it.
I know what he means but I can't parse this sentence in a way that makes sense

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>>21024211
いつも思ってましたよ

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>>21024219
that 9 out of 10 times isn't

[Anonymous No.]

someone give me a post in this thread to voice act in a british accent to celebrate the 1000th post

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024211
she can dekinai my チンチン

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>>21024258
sorry only preexisting posts will be considered!

[Anonymous No.]

misas voice is like the female and more asian version of lucas

[Anonymous No.]

"Light novels aren't as hard as normal novels" they say, and suddenly people start talking about thermodynamics ....

[Anonymous No.]

wow dude congrats on ur 1st sf childrens book

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024269
She uses an English accent which I feel meshes with her Japanese accent better, but it makes me sad because most Japanese people are Ameriboos and she only ever talks about England

[Anonymous No.]

save me from the hell that is this vn

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024183
>Especially considering how Katakana is just English, or any language aside from Japanese, and hiragana is only supplemental to Kanji
whats ur fuckin problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024285
geyline guy ? is that u buddy ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024286
I was agreeing with the post I quoted. What's wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024248
>>21015077

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>>21024290
ur hearts in the right place but u need to read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024248
>>21020124

[Anonymous No.]

Redpill me on Geyline guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024285
im feelin the same sometimes holy fuck why did i stray from the path of the chart

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024291
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0c9FDWgsW5C

fucked this up cause its long but too lazy to redo it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024296
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0fgcMLuShgu

it's a 4/10 but i dont want to keep yelling like a retard as this requires

[Anonymous No.]

i wasnt gonna click it anyway but if ur already gonna say u didnt do ur best then im really not gonna click it

[Anonymous No.]

you definitely clicked it anyway ur curiosity couldnt handle it

[Anonymous No.]

I'm short of just ditching anki and just reading a ton of shit

[Anonymous No.]

actually i clicked the 2nd 1 cuz i was only responding to hte 1st 1 initially which i still have not and will not click

[Anonymous No.]

not him but i legitimately haven't clicked on those links and don't plan to. his initial post annoyed me

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>>21024302
idk dude everything on there almost is good

ud have to get so unlucky to pick a bad one (theres a couple like subahibi etc)

[Anonymous No.]

whats worse lucas awkwardly dunking on nuke chan or matts kogo incident + the fact he cant say bridge without saying chopsticks ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024326
its been workin out for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024311
dreadful absolutely dreadful m8

[Anonymous No.]

>>21020322
I don't believe he's a troll I was watching his old youtube videos even before he was a meme its just kinda sad that he can't stick to something

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024326
I'd say if you know over 4-5k words, you're probably fine to ditch anki. From what I've noticed, you can go from 5k words to 15k words without using anki much. After 15k words though, you'll want to consider using anki again, because you'll be hitting words that you only run into once or twice in a reading, so it's not enough to maintain it on it's own.

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>>21024329
that reminds me ur not helpin this experience

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>>21022177
fucking this Xiaovin is BASED.

[Anonymous No.]

Protip: You're never going to learn Japanese just watching videos of other people learning Japanese. Spend your time reading instead and ignore all of these people who will probably give you bad advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024370
? whats ur issue looks like i literally saved ur life

[Anonymous No.]

Xiaovin why did you do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024369
I have no idea how many words I know desu because the most I've learned I did without anki (doing textbooks and shit), I'd guess it would be around ... two or three thousand. Plus the ~400 I currently have in anki because I didn't start too long ago with my current deck.
But honestly anki just annoys me, I prefer writing vocabulary lists and looking at them but no one else does that kind of thing

[Anonymous No.]

What do you do when you meet a Kanji or Kanji combination you don't know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024385
u know i didnt draw the connection to now but hes got the same retarded look on his face a certain piss jugger does

coincidence ?

[Anonymous No.]

why do they all autistically look off into space lmao

>>21024389
well first of all dont panic second of all u gotta flip thru the paperback kanji dictionary and look it up dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024387
No one writes vocab lists because it's a pretty inefficient way to do it because there isn't an SRS system that goes with it. But if it works for you and you enjoy it more than anki, well, at least you're getting writing practice in.

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>>21024400
It's probably the autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024400
I was afraid you'd say that

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024394
i thought yall knew he was tryin to imitate that thoughtful enlightened confident look

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024389
I use some kind of OCR software to identify it and paste it into jisho or takoboto

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024389
look it up in the dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

this thread is STILL going? holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

oh fuck xiaovin is back on twitter???

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024450
Sorry but this thread is immortal. We all want it to die, but it won't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024452
that really fucked up my board

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024462
karvin quitting something should be the free space desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024466
shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024462
we had the 10k hours too

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024274
it really depends on the book, i've found. i'm reading two normal 大人向け books right now, both nonfiction, that are a lot easier than any LN i've touched so far.

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>>21024197
>Reaching a high level in a language that is 9.9999/10 isn’t important while sacrificing so much ain’t worth it.

https://streamable.com/yuxie

which is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024335
how can you tell your vocab is actually improving?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21023797
1,000 hours of raw anime is the functional equivalent of 10,000 hours english subbed anime

[Anonymous No.]

This is why MIA needs to die in a fire. They're arguing over how to interpret the words of their guru, there's more merit in the DJT shouting matches between people who google linguistic terms and only read the title of the first paper they find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024482
karbin cant decide either he wrote all this and deleted it
>>21024490
by not having to look up words that i remember looking up a few times

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024506
no ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024462
Listen, おにいちゃん, the only way to get good is to first do RTK before grammar/vocab or even reading, then watch 10k hours of anime and mine at least 10k sentences. Then you make the monolingual transition and you'll experience radical freedom once you realize that you shouldn't think but should feel the language.

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>>21024513
nice
about how often would you say that happens, words per day wise?

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>>21024559
not poster, but I learned English that way. It really depends on the material; if you learn a common word it happens more often. But if you often read similar things (like if you tend to read fantasy) it happens more often (in the beginning).

[Anonymous No.]

i see なんか a lot and have no idea how to understand it even with yomichan's definition.

is it a just "filler" word that adds a negative nuance to something? like i could omit なんか from a sentence and just say the sentence with a negative tone and that's enough to understand it?

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>>21024559
i dont think about it enough to be able to answer that and im sure it varies considerably
i just focus on enjoying the content and im happy with how thats goin
occasionally you notice youre getting familiar with an authors writing style and favorite vocab or that your general comprehension is higher than a month or two ago and then you get back to reading

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>>21024592
also i checked dojg and it says なんか is a related expression to など. so i could think of it as "something like".

but in the following dojg sentences i don't see how that really fits.
彼は結婚なんかす(る)べきじゃなかったんだ。
he shouldn't have "done something like" get married
誰があんな人にお金なんか貸すもんですか。
who would lend "something like" money to that person.
お前は車を買うか金なんかないよな。
you don't have "something like" money to buy that car, do you?

as a "filler word with negative nuance" i can see なんか fitting in those sentences somehow, although I still don't understand the difference between it being there and not being there. but as an equivalent to など it doesn't seem to fit at all.

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>>21024513
Imagine allowing your hobby to give you this much mental stress. Just give up lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024481
Which books are you reading anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024513
btw why does he list social life fighting games and university in past tense

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024625
hmm ok thanks for sharing your experience
i was trying to see if it's worth it to stop anki+reading and just switch to all reading.
nowadays i can have what you described (seeing something i didn't know before and not having to look it up again) happen 10 to 20 times a day on average as i read, but with words i looked up like once and then studied in anki.
seems like if i dropped anki and just used that time to read more with the dictionary, the number of new words learned/integrated per day would drop to like 2 to 3 per day on average. hmm

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>>21024592
just adopt yoga as your parent to develop a sense of how its used in natural conversation

[Anonymous No.]

日本語できない男

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024674
I'm the one with the LN with thermodynamics
I'm reading "私、能力は平均値でって言ったよね！" (https://ncode.syosetu.com/n6475db/)) and they just talked about entropy (thermodynamics) in the first chapter / prologue / whatever it is

[Anonymous No.]

the worst djt in history and also the longest

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024737
Keep in mind that first chapters/prologues are the hardest parts of any book. It'll get easier as you go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024513
> I had a social life (believe it or not)

which is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024713
its gradual just like getting the meaning down intuitively without remembering a definition is gradual
youre probably underestimating how much youll learn from reading only but if youre thinkin about it instead of relaxin then youll be counting the lookups telling yourself you needed anki after all
anki might be more efficient but only if it doesnt drain you and seriously impact your reading time which it did for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024752
I will. It was fun though, I just didn't know a lot of words. But I'll get better with practice

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024757
what the fUCK is karbins problem

[Anonymous No.]

the boy has an illness

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024765
great attitude buddy

[Anonymous No.]

carbin ftw lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024783
lmao there's nothing that can destroy me further than live already has
>>21024786
Thanks. I'm trying to keep up against depression and shit so yeah I gotta just PUSH ON no matter what

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024746
is it funny to post this shit every 3 or 4 hours?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024792
shut up

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024746
nope there was one that got to like 1300 or 1400 posts last summer

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024719
うふふ, good post

[Anonymous No.]

People blaming matt and ajjat for calvin's failures...

Is it the cult leader's fault, or the lack of common sense that leads people to blindly follow cultists? I'm guessing the later...

I can blame the cultist who asks people to give them all their assets and whatever (religion wise). I blame those who blindly give everything they own to "some guy".

I think matt is awesome. He gets money out of thin air. He babbles on a video for like one to two hours, no script, no previous thinking, no nothing. Just turn on the camera, talk to his heart's content and it doesn't matter whether its relevant or not, he still gets his money on patreon.

I really love this guy and wish I could be in his shoes. I would love to say shit for like a hour every week and get paid really well for doing nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it stupid to start reading when I only have like 500 words in Anki and haven't even read the full grammar guide?

[Anonymous No.]

the problem with matt is that he gets kinda close to the mark on how to learn japanese but then he twists it just enough to drive the calvins of the world to suicide

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024837
it would be stupid not to start reading

[Anonymous No.]

oh fuck i just encountered 突破 and noticed it sounded like "toppa" from toppa tengen gurren lagann because that's the actual fucking word! holy FUCK

[Anonymous No.]

and he's gone again

[Anonymous No.]

no fuckin way lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024841
Taking the risk of repeating myself, so who's at fault? The visionary who's gaining money out of other people's misery, or those who lack common sense and blindly follow "some guy from the internet"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024837
what you're going to realize is that no matter how pointless reading feels, it's actually of great benefit because it'll force you to notice the most important things, and you'll develop the ability to notice them in a wide variety of contexts, which is something anki can't do for you. you can instantly pass a card in anki yet not be able to recognize that word in the wild, let alone really make sense of it.

you'll see what i mean after you've read a few months. it feels pointless. progress will be slow initially. but it is helping.

[Anonymous No.]

STOP IT XIAOVIN HOLY FUCK JUST STOP IT DUDE get a fucking hold of yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024829
>blaming the victims
In what universe does that make sense, man. Matt takes advantage of people who have low self esteem who don't believe they can do anything without someone telling them what to do and how to do it and how much to do it. And then, once they stop giving him their money and try to leave because they realized AJATT is a load of shit, he chases them around every time they dare show their face online to publicly mock them to his followers as seen here >>21023007
He's like the worst guy in the nihongo language learning """community""" i'd rather hang with nukechan.

[Anonymous No.]

if that boy doesnt come back with a sick blogpost at the beginning of next week about switching from pinyin to rth or switching from chinese to korean im deleting all my unposted scraps

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024829
>>21024860
Matt is literally posting ITT RIGHT NOW and you bastards aren't doing ANYTHING to stop him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024869
those people exploit matt's insecurities over being irrelevant. they make him feel relevant. don't get it twisted you sociopathic fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024881
thats not matt matt is the meditationtard who shows up here sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024881
Why bother, he's not even worth paying attention to. He's a failure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024869
Anon, those people craves for being treated like lamb. They need it. I can't blame matt for seeing money when everyone else sees pitiness.

If one's lacking the self confidence enough, why not find help from professionals? a shrink. Its okay. I go to one of those once every week. Its not shame. What is a shame is follow "some guy". They are not victims, they are the ones looking for being mentally raped.

Another example? People following that stupid dolly. That person is full of shit. I only watched one video (where he/she suggests NOT to use core decks and says that no matter how big is your deck, you will still look up every other word in whatever you try to read). Which is absurd.

I checked my first light novel and on the first 2 to 3 pages, there was only 10 words not on Core 10k. In three pages. I think its awesome and a motivation to do core decks. But she sees otherwise.

And people follow this shit.

Lambs....

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024890
We haven't seen this man's attitude WRT meditating so I'm still in the clear on my accusation thus far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024844
>>21024849
sometimes smalltime twitter accounts dont show up in the directory its perfectly normal and natural he definitely didnt delete his acct again lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024900
>People following that stupid dolly.
nobody "follows" dolly wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024862
makes sense. downloading yotsuba right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024881
Posting ITT right now? What does it even means? Just a typo and he is simply posting another shit again? If yes, good for him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024904
literally go to his url its gone
https://twitter.com/xiaovin8

[Anonymous No.]

djt really needs flags

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024900
>Another example? People following that stupid dolly. That person is full of shit. I only watched one video (where he/she suggests NOT to use core decks and says that no matter how big is your deck, you will still look up every other word in whatever you try to read). Which is absurd.
now u gettin me upset

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024880
> Hi I'm 칼vin I am a man who is learning Korean to a high level using Matt's MIA method. I hope you'll join me on my journey to fluency!

I think it'll more likely happen in early summer aftr classes end.

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>>21024905
No? Every single thread there is someone praising Dolly... people loves this. They need to be just a stupid follower of "some guy on the internet".

I completely blame them and only them.
Matt is just "some guy on the internet" who monetizes it. Is it wrong? No. Ethical? I hardly think so... but if we're looking for the ones to blame in here, I think its his followers

[Anonymous No.]

>VNcore
can someone link it, i don't think it is in the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

rip xiaovin8 >>21021444

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024907
lurk the fuck moar holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024758
good points. thanks
yeah i've been in that place where anki consumes everything. i'm avoiding that now by bulk-adding only once or twice a week (100 max from my dictionary's history) and only giving myself a mandatory review time of 5 minutes a day (i almost always go over that but having such a small requirement takes a big load off)
also automatically suspending any cards i saw again in context and remembered, even if the card is still young (feels like that successful second encounter in context after studying it is a powerful cementer and makes further reviewing redundant and boring).
so far i'm spending less than 12 minutes a day on reviews on average but seeing pretty great vocab gains in the wild. i think i'll keep going like this and just stop adding for a while if things ever get too crazy. and also suspend any cards that get too old without me seeing them in the wild again. keep things fresh.

sorry for wall of text, just thinking out loud.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024919
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1434910726

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>>21024916
people say her grammar videos are good (they are) and shit on the rest of her stuff you retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024914
Was it a joke? Im not good at getting them, sorry.

But it's true. Every stuff I check to see if its on core10k, and its almost like 95% is.. The rest are just very specific words for the genre.

And she tells people not to use Core decks because they will still need to look up EVERY OTHER word?

Either she never checked herself those shit, or is just a matt in the rising.

And guess what? People will keep following....

[Anonymous No.]

>worst djt in history

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024930
Wow... I'm a retard... says the anon on DJT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024939
take that back don't shit talk this place you piece of shit this is the BEST language learning community out there and don't forget it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024792
健気なの察してるよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024935
this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024916
>>21024933
people only endorsed dollys grammar videos mostly the numbered ones everything else she says is shit
are you doing core10k lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024940
Ok! I take it back! I was wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024940
What else is there? reddit???? lmao that's even worse than DJT

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024950
Oh I see. That's how you see it.
And yeah, I do core 10k. Is it bad? Not sure. Is it worth? I think so. I believe its helping me by a lot. But I bet you are way more educated than I am and have some wonderful insights about how wrong I am

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024958
relax ur anus no need to be so afraid of opinions

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024933
> Every stuff I check to see if its on core10k, and its almost like 95% is.

Genuine question, what about the other direction? How many words are in core10K that almost never show up outside newspapers and are a waste of time and effort to memorize?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024972
Im speechless.

>>21024984
Finally a good point. I honestly have no idea. But if I had to guess, in an enviroment where I could parse all light novels I'm reading (and those I intend to read) and check core10k against it, perhaps 2k? 2.5k?

Still, I think it's worth the extra time just so I do not need to check the dictionary every other word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024940
Oh so kanji were all made from primitive pictures huh? that's pretty neat!
I wonder what 鬱 depicts though...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21025021
>These kanji
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21024972
light novel, read
anime, watched
reviews, done
anus, relaxed

[Anonymous No.]

>>21025023
delete this right now

[Anonymous No.]

1150 posts of pure fecal matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hha-3aWEtGI

[Anonymous No.]

the neverending thread

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju4-bw3a48E

[Anonymous No.]

what vn also just fuckin click 終了

[Anonymous No.]

>>21025105
I heard a sequel is coming with even worse writing ;)

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOMbRx9HyiI

[Anonymous No.]

>>21025105
Just read something else, maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

why are the majority of posts about readin from people who wont say what theyre readin

[Anonymous No.]

>>21025025
manga, read

[Anonymous No.]

トップシークレットの読むこと

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

and xiaovin's back again. clearly circling the drain though.