/DJT/「Daily Japanese Thread」第2123番

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, bangers, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
Old guide for those afraid of change:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

前スレ: >>20950737

[Anonymous No.]

op sux quote if u agree

[Anonymous No.]

>>20956794
agree

[Anonymous No.]

What a great day to not read Harmony yet again because I know it will take me days to complete. Even though I want to read it so much, and don't entirely trust the translation, though it's professional.

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i finally listened to some guy on here who said listening skill must be trained without subs to really get better past a certain level because reading gets in the way... he was right

ive been watching anime with zero subs today and so far i'm definitely seeing improvement, my ear is tuning in more and i'm picking up more things. YAY

so thanks, guy who insisted i take off subs for anime. u are good

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upboated >>20956794

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whats harmony do u mean harmonia here ill set u free

its trash

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>>20956832
consider this over w/e the fuq ur doing there https://voracious.app/

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>>20956832
small brain listened to small brain guy and it worked u guys are peas in a pod

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https://youtu.be/dDZgec6uzMs?t=63
>I got my reading to a pretty good level, I'd say I read about 11 books total...6 of them were comic books, and 5 of them were like, book books, so...yeah, I got a pretty high level in Cantonese...
lol matt really knows how to pickem

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>>20956832
Endro doesn't even have captions, or am I missing something?

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>>20956868
it's actually kinda crazy how many resources there are to learn this shit ass language

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>>20956893
im honestly surprised ppl this retarded like it never stops being a shock

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>>20956868
i was watching it on gogoanime so it had hard-coded english subs. i just covered those.

before i was only watching shows on daiweeb that had japanese subs.

>>>20956895
see above. also, you have the raws for endro? i'm guessing you torrented them?

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>>20956923
absolutely brutal self-own from matt when he says their language learning philosophies are the same a few minutes later

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>>20956942
animelon is also pretty good

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imagine reading 6 volumes of scanlated manga and 5 books that were probably just harry potter or something and deciding you're fluent enough in a language to educate others about it
just lol

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>>20956945
>>20956967
thats it im making a patreon

[Anonymous No.]

I learned the 5 vowel Hiragana! Please congratulate me!

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>>20956973
you say this every thread when are you gonna put other peoples money where your mouth is

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>>20956967
how often would you say you post anti mutt comments in these threads? let it go my dude

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>>20956980
thats not an anti matt comment thats an anti whatever the cantonese guys name is comment

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>>20956942
Yes, I'm always torrenting, though I get HS for webrip quality and just turn off the subs and load captions if available. That said, there are sites hosting raws like smotret-anime and some other cancer.

I wish there was a way to rip timed captions from TV without actually living in Japan, those are pretty much the only ones missing - anicobin and yomu cover quite a lot, but timed subs are always more convenient.

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>>20956991
oh ok i didnt click the video assumed mutt also thought he was an authority on cantonese

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>>20956978
its my catchphrase now dude along with many other bangers such as watashiha gay

[Anonymous No.]

gaytreon

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i only choose dialog options in VNs that i understand. is that bad.

[Anonymous No.]

its kinda win honestly i like it

[Anonymous No.]

what's the best alternative to rtk and why?

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>>20957162
reading when u know japanese and looking shit up

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>>20957162
to clarify: in terms of time efficiency

>>20957165
how much do you have to "know" ? That's kind of like a catch 22, and seems like it would take too much time when you could start learning readings of kanji after 3 months, and already know the vast majority of kanji meanings of the 常用漢字

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>>20957125
What do you do when you get a bad ending?

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>>20957215
then go ahead and do RTK without even trying what anon recommends so you can triumphantly declare RTK to be the most efficient method without actually knowing whether or not it is.

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>>20957227
I'm not averse to their (thus far vague) recommendation, but its not like I can get the best of both worlds. whether I choose x or y, I have to choose one to see it's legitimacy (for myself at least).

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What's wrong with doing what you like? I don't see why you have to learn by a method.

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>>20957259
I mean if you're being pedantic about it everything is technically a method, but the fact that rtk, among other methods, is more systematic and detailed isn't what I'm actively seeking out; I just want to learn kanji in an efficient way. whether it's a formal method is arbitrary

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>>20957215
idk dude like i literally watched so much anime and spent a lot of time just looking up enough shit so i could play the video games and not so much trying to really enjoy the words

i guess id say if u know a good handful of words just because of familiarity with spoken language that u can fill them in without knowing kanji ur good enough

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A reminder that if you're having fun, you're not studying hard enough.

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>>20957271
Watch 10000 hours of subbed anime and then maybe you can think about learning kanji.

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>>20956951
thank you for the rec :) <3
is there stuff animelon has that daiweeb doesn’t?

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>>20957003
thanks a lot for the recommendations <3
now i have more than enough options for both j-subbed and unsubbed anime. wow. you rock!

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>>20957276
how many kanji would you say you know, and how long would you say it took you to get to that (this) point? I mean I think that way isn't necessarily bad, it just depends on what you want out of nipponese.

>>20957284
I feel sorry for the people who don't see the b8 here. so much suffering they probably went through

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>>20957248
u have to be ur own man but i havent made a rough outline in a while so heres some shit for ur consideration
do vncore 1250
while you do that read tae kim quickly and or watch the dolly series but dont memorize shit
read yotubato
when youve gotten through that fuckin read compelling eroge or ln and watch anime with or without subs the worlds your oyster
if you cant get enough anki you can mine vocab cards or do somethin culty like sentence cards or even make cards out of anime clips like that one guy it doesnt matter just make sure its a small part of your day
gambare

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>>20957312
I think I might give this a try. arigato anonkun

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I almost went down the road of mining 込む compound verbs but i realized the idiocy of my ways just in time

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>>20957418
woah, good post.

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the intelligence level of this thread makes me 落ち込む

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[Anonymous No.]

the only way is the comfy way.

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>>20957553
こばとはどうなの

がいこくではにんきなの

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>>20957278
not true dude! i’m doing a combination of hardcore techniques and i’m loving it, because i always start from native materials i enjoy and i have my methods set up for constant positive reinforcement ^O^

plus i meditate so i rarely get frustrated while studying anymore. acceptance and gratitude does wonders.

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>Stuck at %50 retention with no new cards for a week
HOW DO I UNFUCK MYSELF /jp/?

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>>20956976
You did well anon. Now repeat that until you die.

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>>20957553
this looks like a really cute anime

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>>20957418
i mined a few then stopped when i saw wut was happening LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>20957721
reenable auto suspend prob

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>>20957312
good tips dude
ur a good boy <3

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>>20957418
i still don't get what komu means except maybe "doing x to the utmost/through to completion".

[Anonymous No.]

is it only me ore core 6k drops in quality after 2000? it's giving random adverbs now or literal duplicates like 少々

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>>20957782
just read and mine from native sources. u have enough vocab now

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>>20957309
i wouldnt dare estimate how many kanji i know but i can read hentai games and most regular shit like websites and bbs and manga unassisted

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what the heck does 被る mean in this context??

「レアモンスターの出没地域が被る場所を狙って馬を走らせる。」

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>>20957795
dont listen to him. he wasnt able to defeat the flashtard quizmaster general

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>>20957792
i read everyday but i still need anki to cement vocab. I usually do 10 mined words and 10 words from core because i don't want to talk like a weeb or only know video game language.

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>>20957805
then learning shit like 少々 is fine because it's probably more like one of the most common 30 words you'll hear if you actually live in japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>20957802
重なる

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>>20957803
lol tru :P

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>>20957795
Even Nasu/Mareni games?

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>>20957807
i never said it isn't it, I said it's a duplicate

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>>20957837
uh only half of those

[Anonymous No.]

in the word 訓練場

is the last 漢字 ば or じょう？？

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>>20957841
fair enough i thought you meant a meaning duplicate

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>>20957846
じょう

if it's a normal word in onyomi that ends in another kanji u can generally assume the reading is onyomi

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>>20957816
thanks luv <3

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>>20957737
こばと

だとおもうよ

CLAMPのやつ

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>>20957816
im sure this is what it means but i looked thru some j-j dics and none of the definitions really seem to match this so it's a bit confusing

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>>20957669
>がいこくではにんきなの
nah it's one of the lesser-known CLAMP works over here. is it popular in japan?

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>>20957918
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/44310/meaning/m0u/%E3%81%8B%E3%81%B6%E3%82%8B/
>同じようなものがそろう。重複する。「キャラが―・る」「保護者会でAさんと洋服が―・ってしまう」「前の人と発言内容が―・る」
This is a recent (and apparently colloquial) usage so you won't find it in most dictionaries, but it's pretty common.

[Anonymous No.]

yo jamal try to beat this hot track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rILKm-DC06A

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>>20957927
ＣＬＡＭＰは

じつりょくあるほうじゃないの

うれてるほうかというと

そうでもないけど

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>>20957946
thanks. this is why epwings suck.

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>>20957946
yeah i got the feel that it’s like, what’s on the map matches what’s in the actual place? like it’s an overlay

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>>20957795
you should do a kanji test

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>>20957960
im not sure if ur reading the sentence correctly. it means he's going to a place where there are a lot of infested areas

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>>20957960
not that anon but i believe it's like, the areas where rare monsters appear match
so, multiple rare monsters appear in one area and that's the one to aim for

[Anonymous No.]

just a normal day farming sentences during free time at work :3

A = going into anki
underlined = new word

[Anonymous No.]

>>20957960
出没地域が被る場所
is the part you should think about for a moment

[Anonymous No.]

>>20957989
その本って何？

[Anonymous No.]

i know 1000 words

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958004
i know 1000 morphs

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>>20957989
are you going to type that shit
i bet you spend more time in anki than reading

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>>20958004
Nice. It's already more fun watching anime, right? What are you watching today?

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>>20957982
sounds boring and gay ill leave that to the djters

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>>20957795
But what does "unassisted" mean? Do you understand all of it?

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>>20958074
id say i understand most everything by my reckoning anyway and yea theres some words i miss sometimes not super often in normal shit happens more in hentai games i just deal with it its not a big deal most of the time

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>>20958082
nihongo fantasyland dweller spotted

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>>20958085
i dont feel that way tho so i aint worried about it not to say i dont learn new things often still

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>>20958082
I see, when you say "deal with it" do you mean you just skip those words or do you take the time to look them up if you feel you need to?

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>>20958089
depends if i can figure it from context + knowing the kanjis its fine but if its literally a thing and i cant figure it out i prolly have to look it up to find out what the thing is

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>>20957927
ＣＬＡＭＰのキャラデザに

もんくあるひとあんまりいない

[Anonymous No.]

djt unironically motivates me to keep reading every day

[Anonymous No.]

fuck djt

[Anonymous No.]

i would if i could

[Anonymous No.]

does that count as losing my virginity

[Anonymous No.]

what does ur heart tell u thats the only thing u need to listen to

[Anonymous No.]

my kokoro tells me im fucken gay

[Anonymous No.]

it tells me i'll probably get a heart attack in 5 years tops

[Anonymous No.]

go fuckin work out dude and start eating right

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958441
make that ur strength
>>20958442
uh gambare

[Anonymous No.]

ゲイさ and つよさ are 1 and the same ?

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>>20958054
Idk I was watching whatever was on the TV stream I had open last night

[Anonymous No.]

Question to those who talk ill of MIA: How does it feel knowing that you'll never come close to what マット様 is or will be in Japanese? You might as well just 自殺する desu. He is, by reason of superiority, allowed to have sex with all of your wifus whenever he desires. And you have to watch. And he will have sex with them - all of them. In short, get used to the cuck life.

[Anonymous No.]

u blow stop posting

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>>20957995
レンタル武器屋アリーチェっていうラノベです！そんな難しくなくて便利な言葉が多い（特にRPG系）。おすすめします。

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>>20958028
my anki to reading ratio is like 1:3, 25% anki 75% reading. i like it this way

i don’t actually farm everyday. i just mark stuff as i read, then about 2 times a week i put a whole bunch of new cards in! takes an hour or so for like 50.

new cards/day is set to 10, so for the rest of the week i’m just reviewing and reading (while marking stuff) till i run out of new cards. then REFILL.

it’s working well for me :) i run into things i’ve recently learned every day. feelsgoodman.

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>>20958625
面白そう！絶対に読んでみる、ありがとう。

[Anonymous No.]

matt grew out of waifus what a fuckin loser now he just makes nihonjin feel uncomfortable

[Anonymous No.]

imagine matt actually jacking off in the same spot he makes his vlogs lol

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>>20958661
いいえ！(*´ω`*)

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine actually spending 25% of your Japanese life doing something as boring (and 大ゲイ) as Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine being a year in and not knowing 抱負

[Anonymous No.]

Well, DJT? Are you as smart as she is wide?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958756
i mistook it for 包皮

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>>20958756
the only reason i recognized this immediately is because you spergs were freaking out about it a few weeks ago

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>>20958797
well at least somebody learned something in here

[Anonymous No.]

One day when you're at the new years party and some japanese person asks you what your 抱負 is you can smile and think back on djt

[Anonymous No.]

its fuckin san-gatsu can u resolutioners plz go

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>>20958756
is that in core

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>>20958748
it’s not boring to me *shrugs*

i’m learning tons all the time. and actually remembering it ^_^

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958954

[Anonymous No.]

人が苦しみを感じるとき、その心には必ず「執着」があります。

「執着」を手放さなければ、苦しみ続けてしまう。

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYcAyremV5o
new djt anthem imo

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>>20958959
matt would approve of me :3

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>up at 1 in the morning drunk, streaming leathal weapon dubbed in japanese and cant understand a fucking word other than the occasional YOSH
what am i even doing on this gay earth?

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>>20958848
I will say,
あたしは一番完璧な幼女になりたいわね

[Anonymous No.]

is there a dictionary somewhere for all verbs that use multiple kanji to express different nuances?

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>>20959044
matt is on record as anti-tranny

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>>20959033
mined. (into the playlist)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958848
おれは一番ゲイ外人になゐたい

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>>20958767
sip on this and you gonna feel like shit my dude

[Anonymous No.]

If I could change one thing it would be to have done rtk much later instead of the beginning.

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>>20959172
lol i’m convinced this board is full of middle schoolers

or men with severe コミュ障

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>>20959306
How does that even make sense?

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>>20959325
>learn japanese
>learn how to write kanji later
what part doesn't make sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>20959191
一番好きなホモゲーは何ですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>20959358
that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20959358
Because the point is to learn kanji quickly and efficiently, and to then use that knowledge to learn words easily. Going through 2000 words first defeats the entire point.

[Anonymous No.]

みみからおぼえるのが

いいとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>汽車
are these still common enough in japan for this to be in N4?

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>>20959439
Trains? Yes, trains are fairly common in Japan. 汽車 especially means, long distance train.

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>>20959447
reading off a list it said steam train, seemed to match the kanji, with 電車 as train. what you said makes more sense.

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>>20959453

[Anonymous No.]

are things like:

ともあれ　
やがて　
どころか
もはや

considered 文法 or 単語？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20959479
Do you think just because something is written in hiragana means it can't be vocabulary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20959479
adverb(単語)
adverb(単語)
suffix(文法)
adverb(単語)

[Anonymous No.]

Would a partial brain transplant with a nip make me fluent in japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

お前...
その性癖は理解に苦しみます
ごめ... でもさせてくれる
干夜ちゃん好き...
いいからさ済ませろ

you...
That [fetish] is hard to understand
I'm sorry ... but I will let you (?)
I like Hayate chan ...
Come on now Oh no

What did she mean by this?

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Joshy time for 211 cards. My fault for skipping two days.

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>>20959439
はつおんが

ふたつあるけど

がんばれおにいちゃん

>きしゃ

>きしゃ

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVzQwa4etLQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20959556
Dude, RuiRui is trash.

[Anonymous No.]

RuiRui is fine, but Hinanee is obviously superior. If Natsuo plays his cards right he can maybe have both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20959574
すい

どうなの？

こーい

おっさんにおいがする

[Anonymous No.]

is owarai geinin show the only way to fluency?

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/TVzQwa4etLQ?t=312

KEK LOLING AT THIS

[Anonymous No.]

すい

がいこくむけにぜんぜんつくってないにおいもする

[Anonymous No.]

I don't even know why I'm studying Japanese. I don't really enjoy anything I do in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't worry about it, you're not going to make it anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

がいこくのあのんが

すいの

クロちゃん

みて

どうおもうのか

きになるようなきがしたけど

きのせいだった

きにならないです

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>>20959666
I know about kuro-chan and I've seen some pictures of that episode in which he got some backlashes on twitter (but actually I've never watched it). Which one was it and what happened? Honestly, I think Kuro-chan is a bit annoying if you've listened to him too much.

[Anonymous No.]

Word of the day: 乳首

[Anonymous No.]

４%の勉強する人だけ外国語習得出来るよ。フラッシュカードや文法の勉強のせいだ。気をつけてね。

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>>20959690
oh this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-KHLRcK9uc
lel, he'll definitely get roasted if it were in the US, slandering a woman is a big no no.

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>>20959422
>learn to comprehend kanji quickly and efficiently
>by honing the completely different and very time consuming skill of writing them

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>>20959705
すいじゃないじゃん

すいのやつ

すごいから

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>>20959716
The only thing you have to learn to write is radicals. Everything else just comes naturally through the learning process.

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took me 10 minutes to remember my 25 new cards today, i remember when it took me a fucking hour lol

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>>20959422
you don't "learn" kanji with rtk though

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>>20959819
Yes, yes, we all know you're very insecure about people doing dedicated study. Within the context of someone doing RTK, it makes zero sense to want to do it later rather than earlier.
Unless of course you're part of Matt's troglodyte fanbase that needs the epic loot box dopamine rush from a real anime word or they'll lose interest and stop giving him money.

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>>20959814
>cards
Lol I remember the days I didnt learn 25 new words and solidify grammar and preknown words in 10 minutes by reading.

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>>20959850
I spend 15x as much time on reading and listening than I do on Anki but stay retarded my man

[Anonymous No.]

>>20959858
>I spend 15x the time
>stay retarded
I dunno it sounds like you're the retarded one lmao

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>>20956783
is there a japanese version of Master Chef? Or something similar?

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>>20959891
iron chef

[Anonymous No.]

vertical text makes my head hurt

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>>20959940
try reading it on its side

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>>20959891
どっち was the best cooking show ever made

[Anonymous No.]

What color is meant here? I can't decipher the very first kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>20960167
銀... It was sorta hard to read for me as well... but... I looked at the cross in the picture and noticed it was silver...

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>>20960167
it's easy to see if you zoom out of the pic

[Anonymous No.]

terrace house? more like acting house

[Anonymous No.]

Is this shit REALLY an actual grammar point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20960640
nope. inflexible and can only be used in situations where it can also be interpreted literally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20960167
はりつけが

かんじになってたら

やばかったかもしれない

[Anonymous No.]

>>20960640
>>20960650
are you two saying that it can mean that(subject marker) and also that(but)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20959605
i mean im pretty sure i was pretty revolutionary in saying that japanese language itself is merely a formality

[Anonymous No.]

>>20960757
you're looking for それだが

[Anonymous No.]

どれかに…　エッチがありましたか

[Anonymous No.]

>>20959850
#thingsthatneverhappened

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>>20959814
well done! you're doing great.
seriously :)

[Anonymous No.]

not knowing whether something is a noun phrase or not is what fucks me the most.

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>>20959793
>The only thing you have to learn to write is radicals. Everything else just comes naturally through the learning process.
yesss you fucking said it.

focusing on how to write the individual radicals or "pieces" of kanji (not all of them are included on the official list of radicals) changed the whole kanji game for me.

it became no longer a struggle of memorizing 10~20 strokes per kanji, but simply a game of putting together 2~4 blocks of sub-characters i already know by heart. it's actually fun to write kanji now :)

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>>20959793
Try writing 左 and 右 without looking them up

[Anonymous No.]

heh i already know the alternating stroke rule for those kinds of kanji so i know the stroke order even if stroke order doesn't matter

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>>20961248
that being said though, i didn't do this via RTK. i did it as i learned words in context from reading and creating personalized sentence/word decks.

then i picked out each radical from each new word i learned. it's really not necessary to do it via RTK and for me it was much more fun having it be part of the rest of my study. learning 2000 words is MORE than enough to learn every radical. they repeat so often, you could probably learn them all in like 500 words.

you just have to make a habit of pointing them out to yourself/practicing writing them.

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>>20959494
thanks for being helpful dude :)

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>>20961254
who even cares
this is one of the cases where stroke order really does NOT matter at all

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The only time stroke order matters is calligraphy and gaijin trying to look words up. That's it.

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>>20959846
talk about insecure ｗｗ
>>20961265
its also fuckin ez

[Anonymous No.]

>>20961260
how many kanji do you know?

[Anonymous No.]

i'm gonna teach you all about stroke order *grabs your dick*

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Anyone feel bad for Matt? Outside of thinking he's a faggot jew cult leader of course. The dude is clearly in a box he hates being in, and has put himself in that position, albeit inadvertently. It's like damn, I wonder how close he's gotten to suicide.

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how are you supposed to remember all the extras like the extra dot in 賭

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>>20961322
what compels people like you to randomly bring him up

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>>20961322
>faggot jew
Autism aside, no, why should I? I'm sorry he wasted his youth on something he ended up hating, but he makes how much money again? For doing virtually nothing?

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>>20961322
nothing is stopping him from quitting
he likes being a cult leader
>>20961346
my brain does it for me

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>>20961353
They don't know japanese but still want to post. In short they're refugees from /v/ and /pol/.

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>>20961353
these nuts

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>>20961346
rtk

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hold up is >>20961260 jamal
i thought jamal didn't know how to write kanji because he always says who the fuck needs a pencil in 2019

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>>20961361
post about something better like rtk

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>>20960708
あっちいけアホンダラ

>>20960539
wow this works wonders

>>20960401
cheers

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explain 草

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>>20961372
what in the fuck makes you think that's jamal you stupid fucking newfag? fuck off.

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>>20961378
lowercase posting and not using rtk

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>>20961375
grass but also lol

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>>20961375
it's a metaphor for spies, because they hide in the grass

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>>20961375
people used 笑 as lol, which turned into just ｗ. When people would type ｗｗｗｗｗ it looks like grass, so lol became 草

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>>20961353
those are the kinds of people who feel compelled to project their insecurities on others. they're too afraid to face their own shame and disappointments, so they obsessively try to apply them to other people.

it's quite sad to witness when you realize why they're doing it.

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>>20961372
i'm a woman and i have no idea who jamal even is

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>>20961372
thats not me i havent really posted in this thread cuz its fuckin bad and boring

[Anonymous No.]

also i too am a woman わたしは女性です

[Anonymous No.]

this is all u need to know if u are new

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>>20961375
That's a particularly nice one. I take the grass radical to mean we're talking about a fenced off field. The other part is "fast", well grasses grow very fast in a field. So it's (fast growing) grass.

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>>20961397
this is surely true to an extent, but that saying things like that invariably mean one is projecting their own insecurities is false. that is to say you can come from merely a sympathetic position.

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>>20961353
matt is notable for (previously) being a delusional filthy fucking weeaboo who liked anime and manga but not real japan and becoming bitter and depressed because he unironically wasted his youth making sentence cards in the high school toilet and when his ironic weeaboo phase faded away he realized he doesn't have a useful degree and he actually hates a japan and doesn't know what to do with his life other than herd a cult

if you find yourself identifying with matt you need to reflect on your motivations for learning japanese because your subconscious knows you're going to grow out of your weeaboo phase sooner or later

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>>20961417
>I take the grass radical to mean we're talking about a fenced off field
why not just remember it as looking like grass so it is talking about plants?

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>>20961411
agreed

>>20961426
matts rubbish dude if u wanna know why hell tell u all about it himself https://vocaroo.com/i/s0RYPh6WwowD

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>>20961426
should have said wasted his youth in a japanese toilet it makes the story more interesting
>doesn't have a useful degree
to be clear he dropped out so he didnt get one at all
>if you find yourself identifying with matt
then ur fucked nothing more to be said
>you're going to grow out of your weeaboo phase
if u arent underage u probably already did and the degenerate interests that remain are there to stay

[Anonymous No.]

Is 40-50 new kanji from RTK per day too much? That's my current rate and I'd like to finish the book in a little over a month

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>>20961441
>to be clear he dropped out so he didnt get one at all
even worse, he can't even become an eikaiwa monkey

>>20961448
if you already know a decent amount of vocab its ok i did rtk1+3 in one month with 100 a day because I already had 2 years of japanese behind me so i could associate them with vocab i know

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>>20961448
You're not likely to remember shit properly if you just blast through it without writing each kanji a number of times.

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>>20961448
If you want to be able to write the kanji from memory, even if you know a fair bit of Japanese, I don't think that's a good idea. Obviously you'll get through it really fast, but your retention rate is also going to go to shit really fast. If you just want to have a general understanding of what most of the kanji mean and don't care for being able to write them then that's fine.

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>>20961433
For the imagery. Consider 苦. I think old man (working) in a field - hardship. I'm not very organized about this and I only read ~200 pages of RTK, casually. I might give a piece multiple images.

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>>20961456
note: i don't recommend this pace i did it up to 14 hours per day because i made my own cards with one word and pitch accent for it for most common readings and had up to 800 reviews to write/relearn
that was sort of overkill but you know at least that's done with

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>>20961472
古 isn't used for people though. Just think of old, overgrown grasses as symbolic of neglect and difficulty. That image and meaning has been in Japanese poetics for over one thousand years at this point.

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Is it a good idea to finish genki and then do ajaat

[Anonymous No.]

its a good idea to suck a fuckin dick u might even like it

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>>20961481
マット先生、はじめまして

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>>20961448
That's the way to do it. Don't worry about the morons going on about muh retention rate, they haven't used the method.
I used Koohii for my SRS and had a 90% retention rate every day, reviews maxed out at like 225 near the end. Finished the whole thing in under two months and a few weeks after finishing I sat down and tested everything and got 98% correct.

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>>20961497
I'm not this autistic matt character you people obsess over

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>>20961312
常用？most of em + a hundred or more uncommon ones. i just pick em up as i learn words. i really can't make an accurate guess but i know it's over 1800 by now. and that's quickly increasing since i'm focusing my vocab study towards words with new kanji. 95% of new words i learn contain kanji i already know. i don't consider a kanji "known" unless i know at least one word that contains it and i can read that word.

also, since i'm learning through words i encounter in context, there is no guarantee i'll learn a kanji considered "easy" before one considered "harder". & i don't mind that lol. i'm just havin fun with it.

recent new kanji:
蹂
躙 both from じゅうりん
墜 from 墜落
厭 from 厭う
錆 from 錆び付く
詮 from 詮索
煽 from 煽る
猟 from 猟師
籠 from かご (knew that word already but not the kanji)
苛 from 苛立ち (knew this word but not the kanji)
憂 from 憂鬱 (learned to distinguish it from 優)

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Let's hope that 割合 gets even lower.

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>>20961492
Honestly, "using" Genki is fine, as it offers you a lot of foundational grammar for a beginner and words as well, but, and this is just my opinion, you'd be better off just skimming and then going into material (if you've already learned kanji).

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>>20961504
how long have you been learning Japanese?

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>>20961426
literally why do you care so much what he does with his life to write a whole exposition about it? that says way more of you than of him.

yall sound exactly like those gossip boards insecure women use. cringe

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>>20961409
If you're a 悪い女の子, then I'll really get excited.

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>>20961516
>t. ajaat matt

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>>20961505
なんで？

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>>20961530
議会は女性の居場所ではない。

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>>20961543
うるせえな（草）

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>>20961543
なんで？

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>>20961513
actively immersing in native materials and doing anki on and off, with interspersed periods of slacking, ~3 years now.

screwing around in inefficient classes and not knowing about immersion or anki, 2 years prior to that.

:) what about you?

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なんでだよ

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if u describe urself as "actively immersing" u already lost

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>>20961521
everyone who isn't a bitter gossiping bitch isn't matt. get that through your thick emotionally stunted skulls lol.

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>>20961555
and you never encountered 詮索? what native materials have you been immersing in, unko-chan?

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>>20961508
I see, thank you

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>>20961562
that makes no sense lmao
yall just say anything on here

"actively immersing" is as opposed to not immersing -- hearing japanese but not actively listening. seeing japanese but not making any effort to actually read it or learn the words.

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>>20961553
女性の居場所はベッドとキッチンです。
女性の生きがいは子作りだけです。

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>>20961566
seek help for your inferiority complex

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>>20961571
ull understand what i mean someday or you wont cuz ull have moved on with ur life leaving japanese and all ur hopes and dreams behind

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how long until i stop getting lost in medium/long sentences?

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>>20961574
its amusing to see men desperately clinging to their dated views of women so they can feel powerful for like 5 seconds

lol hahah

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>>20961574
DJTの女は大和撫子です

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>>20961574
確かにそうだけど、なんで？

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>>20961571
this post is the epitome of not gonna make it

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>>20961579
i already understand what you "mean". it's just dumb

the idea that active listening/reading is somehow not immersion is a myth. passive immersion can only work when active work has been done.

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>>20961584
今日は女性の日です

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>>20961597
*shrugs* its true whether you like it or not bucko

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>>20961581
I don't mean this in a rude way, but it's not that simple; short sentences can be more complex than some longer sentences. it all depends on how much of what in a sentence you already know, and how much more you need to know to understand it, which varies a lot from sentence to sentence. all you can do is just fill in the gaps of your knowledge. there's no exact point where you will definitively not get lost in a long sentence, and that assumes that you won't get lost in short sentences.

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>>20961596
alcohol is gross and stupid
and i have no desire for children

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>>20961615
gonna lol when u have kids and love the shit out of them and become a real man

[Anonymous No.]

just was talking to my japanese gf and she was making fun of some guy in her work because his wife spends all his money and doesnt even do any house work or make him lunch. glad i dont have to worry about that.

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>>20961624
so get ur belly cut open instead bitch

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ああ　忘れるところだった
ジャマルくん、自殺するの忘れないでね

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>>20961639
it's actually pretty hard to get a divorce in japan tho.

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>>20961426
i didn't ask what made him your special little man. i asked what compels you to randomly bring him up here

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>>20961641
nigga you don't need a gf

you need meditation and emotional healing. leaving your unhealed issues for other people to handle is just going to wind up creating stress for the both of you. read the first comment on this thread, its the only important one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/ayec6w/tips_on_how_to_release_repressed_emotions/

be well.

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>>20961628
女性の日だから...

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>>20961701
There is no nation in history that got it perfect, and lasted forever. Votes for women and inferiors lets the super rich take over completely, so Japan has got to stop this democracy meme.

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NORMIES INTERESTED IN REAL GIRL PLEASE LEAVE NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW

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>>20961701
Introduce totalitarian Islamic theocracy, kill everyone who doesn't convert.

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>>20961718
ur more annoying than our newest personality below ur post omedeto

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>>20961732
she obv speaks/understands english well enough, & i dont really care about speaking japanese. im not the kind of person who wants to have deep conversations and shit. just tryna come home & chill and watch some damn anime on netflix without being annoyed

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jamal how do i get into japanese rap

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>>20961752
not him but u should prob say what kind of shit u listen to now

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>>20961763
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkt5nT60xBA

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>>20961752
get into chinese rap instead
it's a lot better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rILKm-DC06A

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>>20961836
im not going to listen to a hysterical woman who probably is more influenced by the movement of the moon than the word of the Lord's Prophet (PBUH)

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stfu retards

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw eng. subs are on but you're ignoring them and it's no problem

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yall are retarded rn while this kids literally doin it >>20961849

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>tfw eng subs are on but you can't ignore them

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>>20961843
nice try schlomo

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>>20961855
also good as long as u can hear the japaneez

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>>20961845
astrology is stupid too

wow you must really have only a handful of braincells lol islam makes people incapable of complex thinking

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>>20961849
yesss

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is that good or bad

[Anonymous No.]

それは自分で決めろよ

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>>20961737
I usually only goodpost, but when i'm on my phone and everyone else is filling the thread with literal shit, how can i help myself?

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>>20961938
you dont goodpost you just attention whore. im sure if we had an archive of your posts at least 30% would have the words "girl" in them or some variation

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>>20961938
the threads always filled with literal shit though
>>20961940
whatup girl

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>>20961940
>everybody i don't like is the same person!
Epic retard lmao ive made maybe two posts itt

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>>20961968
ok well it's not really clear in this conversation chain if you're the person that he replied to or the "newest personality". im referring to the latter

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>>20961911
jesus was a nice guy but all of the abrahamic gods (yahweh) are myths

jesus was just a really compassionate person and transcended worldly bullshit like violence and ego

a lot like the buddha. but the buddha actually figured out a systematic way of doing that.

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to me u all just look like the same retard

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>>20961974
i dont have a problem w. teh buddha either mostly bc ive seen any1 argue about it or erupt in2 a shit fest so ill add him 2 the list of ftw

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>>20961860
that guy seems mentally ill

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>>20961999
you get a breakdown online and shit

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imagine being so bad u cant even read ur jlpt cert

[Anonymous No.]

>>20961995
oo you're so edgy you said nigger and you're not black

your life seems pathetic

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>>20962009
sorry, i meant to say subhumans

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>>20961866
but if there are subs wont you accidentally read them sometimes?

and what about when you dont understand a part, you'll probably start reading them right?

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>>20962014
woah +5 edge points! use em to buy the therapy you so desperately need

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>>20962020
im not sure i understand the problem here or why it would be an accident

even if theres specific parts u cant audibly hear and repeat its fine keep watchin and keep listening dont worry abotu SHIt

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>>20962024
u make sense im just tryna see somethin

some would say, if you read the english, you're cheating. you already know what it means so the challenge of actually hearing it for yourself is gone. and that's the only way you actually improve, to hear it for yourself with no help.

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>>20962003
Got it, thanks. Won my bet at least.
It does say that they'll take these results down by the end of the month though, and that "all examinees will receive their own score report". Does it come separate in the mail then? Seems weird that they wouldn't bundle the two together.

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>>20962054
i only got a score report in the mail lol, i didnt even know there was a certificate. i took my test in japan tho & i dont know if that makes a diff

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>>20962098
well then i guess ur fucked so sad

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>>20962054
why does an N1 level result card need furigana

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>>20962107
it doesn't but they use the same cards for all levels, why would they bother removing the furigana

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>>20962105
no, because I don't watch content that way. the people who do are the one's who are fucked

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>>20962117
i agree if their process is what u posted they are indeed fuckt

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>>20962098
if ur readin every single line of subs it prob wont be very effective but if u have a brain and glance at the subs occasionally when ur not sure about somethin youll prob learn a bit
condolences if this is not the case for u

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Remembering the Kanji is unironically the greatest thing ever

For YEARS I kept getting stuck and quitting when trying to learn vocab from Genki or Tae Kim because of all the kanji in the way, and so my current understanding of Japanese is still worse than a toddler

Now with rtk I've learned 220 kanji so far in only 5 days, I'm so happy

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>>20962176
watch out you might offend some people by enjoying rtk

[Anonymous No.]

why do you have to get personal just because i don't think RTK's benefits outweigh its costs?

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>>20962203
Literally the only people who worry about RTK's "costs" are mongs who think they can somehow learn the language in three months, or some shit.

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>>20962208
or people who did rtk and regret it

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>>20962209
i did rtk and then went through a period where i regretted it but on reflection years later, i think it was worth it. maybe you will change your mind.

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>>20962203
What are RTK's costs, mate?

Having to put off learning legit Japanese for a month or two just to get the writing system down?

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it's not about how long it takes to finish RTK in the grand scheme of learning a language and you absolutely know it's never been about that. it's about how much someone can tolerate doing something so tedious and disconnected from the language. it is a bad idea to recommend RTK to most people.

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>>20962216
realistically 3 to 6 months

drilling things that aren't immediately usable is torture for many

[Anonymous No.]

rtk doesnt have anything to do with learning a language tho

at all

no grand scheme no nothin

literally rtgay

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>>20962238
except the whole part where u have to look at kanji and figure out what they are so u can read

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>>20962248
not seeing the connection here

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>>20962220
Learning Japanese itself is obviously way more fun than doing a bunch kanji, but on the bright side with RTK you can sometimes get the gist of some basic sentences with kanji in them, assuming you have a basic understanding of grammer / sentence structure, which I find rewarding

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>>20962248
can u read yet cuz this post suggests otherwise

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>>20962253
rtk helps you to recognise kanji like so when u see 口 u know it means mouth

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>>20962259
the 出口 is that way good sir arigato 4 playing and またチャレンジしてね

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>>20962259
>choosing such an easy kanji as 口

At least use 時 or something as an example

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>>20962268
exit mouth why r u posting about vomit wtf
>>20962271
maybe try a kanji that u wouldnt learn on babys first day of vocab

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>>20962209
How can you regret knowing the kanji? It's literally essential.
>>20962214
Probably because you never had to experience the awful shite that is the "kanji through vocab" """"method"""".

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>>20962270
the cons

-has learned literally 0 japanese and has not gained any extra propensity for doing so

if ur not already sold by this heres a couple more

-literally memorized chinese house drawings for no reason
-english keywords LOL (scientifically proven to permanently cripple ur brain link that vid that starts w. the guy throwing a rtk book up on the table 2 dramatic overture)

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>>20962289
i dont really understand how you can simultaneously argue that linking kanji to english keywords is crippling but somehow watching eng-subbed anime is the most useful thing to do

[Anonymous No.]

studying while high is 無理です

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It boggles my mind how many people there still are who think you have to go through all of RTK before you can touch anything else.
Just do it on the side like a sane person, ffs.

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To the RTK haters, this guy became fluent in Japanese after 1 year of RTK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqT_mLiTq7A

Here's an update video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcXFxNlmckM
He just continues to impress.

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>>20962284
I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think using a less obvious kanji would have made a better point

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>>20962270
>the benefits of someone who does RTK vs someone who doesnt:
Add to that:
-actually being able to memorise words in a reasonable amount of time, as they will no longer be full of something that looks like a bunch of random scribbles

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>>20962220
And there's the problem. You see people happily do something in two months that took you years of struggling so you lash out.

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>>20962297
cuz with eng subbed anime its japanese first eigo second

with rtgay u cant get to the kanji without the eigo (not even gonna use japanese in the explanation because japanese is not in the picture at all)

>>20962302
yes do the thing that isnt learning japanese on the side from the thing u really wanna do which is learn japanese seems logical and brilliant

>>20962305
thx for linkin it also inthe second video i somehow seeked exactly to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcXFxNlmckM#t=407

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>>20962270
>doesn't feel intimidated just from seeing kanji
prob feels intimdated when seein any sentence more advanced than これはペン
>chance of correctly guessing a new word's meaning from the kanji
same from vocab
>can tell apart similarly looking kanji
same from brain
>can write kanji
same if u feel like it
>>20962287
when u find a word with a new kanji do u have to stop and make a kanji card with a mnemonic before u can learn the word
apologies if uve never been in this situation

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>>20962320
>as they will no longer be full of something that looks like a bunch of random scribbles
wait, you think someone who learns words without doing RTK always sees them as random scribbles? if not always, for how long?

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>>20962334
when I first tried learning kanji without doing radicals or primitives first, they looked like a bunch of scribbles to me lol

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>>20962334
There are heaps of complex characters that are differentiated by one radical, so probably for a long ass time. It took me a couple of years to come to my senses and actually do RTK.

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>>20962270
>doesn't feel intimidated just from seeing kanji
gotta reply to this again im just picturin someone actually goin through a wall of text convertin individual kanji to rtk readings tryin to piece together the puzzle thinkin yeah im a fuckin kangxi master i aint afraid i can figure this out thx to rtk
plz inform what u were thinkin when u wrote that that wouldnt apply to someone who learned vocab

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>>20962344
>learning kanji
this is what were tellin u that u dont need to do though

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>>20962350
oh so you were already fluent and just wanted some assistance in differentiating some kanji in isolation for some reason? doesn't that just prove that RTK isn't needed for learning words and only someone who is very dedicated should do it, which would be about 0.001% of learners?

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>>20962289
>english keywords LOL
You understand that English keywords are literally kunyomi, right? You can't learn とき without linking it to time.

[Anonymous No.]

after like 10 years the differences probably even out, but someone who does rtk and gets their brain completely used to seeing kanji definitely has a headstart in reading. you can learn vocab easy as fuck right from the beginning compared to someone who has to deal with the teething pain of getting their brain used to kanji on top of learning vocab and shit at the same time.

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>>20962352
Meaning when I was a dumb 13 year old and had jumped right into Tae Kim's vocab immediately after learning kana

And so the word 元気 was just a collection of scribbles in a specific stroke order, without any clear meaning to it

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>>20962363
why cant u just keep it in japanese ?

>>20962365
yah getting ur brain used to seeing kanji in isolation and with no surrounding context is just really huge in jumpstarting ur ability to read LOL

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>>20962363
plz expand on this with more clarification of ur worldview

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>>20962365
is there a study comparing the differences between someone who's finished RTK and someone who hasn't? i'm skeptical of RTK's benefits because completing RTK takes hundreds of hours and weeks/months of effort and someone could easily spend all that time reading and doing core and learning more words.

the more words you learn the easier it becomes to acquire new words, so at some point RTK's hypothetical advantage of "increased efficiency in learning new words" would disappear. who's to say that this hypothetical RTK advantage isn't outweighed by the hundreds of hours of initial investment?

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>>20962365
imma give u a hint on why what ur sayin is fuckin stupid
i dont stare at each kanji one by one when i encounter a new word
i dont pay attention to the details that separate it from similar lookin kanji
i just go hm i my gut tells me to read the word this way and it prob means this then i look in a dic and the dic says yeh and i say k

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>>20962380
what im saying is the ironic thing is djt is often concerned about speedrunning japanese but they are so bad at it they dont see why what im saying is actually the fuckin turbo lane multi threaded approach to cloud computing LOL

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>>20962392
you've been reading japanese for like 20 years tho so why is your opinion relevant lol

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>>20962385
Okay, I did. What do I do now?

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>>20962384
>There is a vast difference between kinda sort of recognising what a character might maybe be
you're saying that if someone doesn't do RTK but they study japanese for hours every day for 2 years that they won't be able to immediately recognize words?

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>>20962402
put it in ur mouth biotch

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>>20962384
>if u cant write words from memory u need furigana to read
plz finish rtk and start learning nihongo before u join the big boy rtk argument
>>20962400
im not him he doublespaces his sentences protip for future

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>>20962370
>why cant u just keep it in japanese ?
Please describe your process. So you look at 時 and learn that it makes とき. How do you use that in a sentence? How do you use anything in a sentence? Are you just going to watch anime until you pick it up often enough that you get an idea? Do you have any fucking idea how slow that kind of learning is?
Stop being an autistic moron and just use a J-E dictionary, I promise it won't ruin your nihongo.

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>>20962404
RTK immediately takes away all the vagueness, unlike all this other bs.
Sure, you can punch a hole through a wall by banging your head against it continuously for a few years, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a much better idea to just use a sledgehammer instead.

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>>20962305
lmao

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>>20962414
>RTK immediately takes away all the vagueness, unlike all this other bs.
after 2 years of reading japanese every day you thought that words were "vague" and you couldn't read anything without furigana and needed RTK? i'm waiting for "yes" so you can safely be dismissed for being a complete retard who doesn't know what he's talking about.

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>>20962305
What method did he start with?

Genki? みんなの日本語? AJATT?

[Anonymous No.]

the basic fundamental point is when you learn a piece of vocab you necessarily have to have some way of remembering the kanji that it is made up of

you see the word 頑張る, if you want to remember to read this word you need to have some kind of 工夫 to remember a) the meaning, b) how it's pronounced, and c) what it looks like

now your choice as far as i can tell is a) remember it as a whole as some kind of image, b) 'learn' each kanji individually and then remember the combination produces this word

someone who has done rtk just needs to "remember that the combination produces this word" as well as the reading+meaning of the word, skipping the added strain of having to learn kanji each time you learn a word. this strain obviously decreases with time and kanji learned, but you will probably be overlapped in vocab as an rtker jaunts through every new piece of vocab he encounters.

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>>20962414
>RTK immediately takes away all the vagueness
waht the fUCK are u trying to say here

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962413
hold on i never said i was against anything like j-e dictionaries or anything relax

ok i see 時 i immediately think もののあわれ and then i look at my 腕時計 and get really fuckin 悲しい that im 六九 years old and im still never gonna get to play all the hentai games and watch all the animes and read all the mangas before my epic 人生 comes to おしまい

hope that helps

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>>20962409
if you can't write japanese with a pen and a paper you need to finish shitposting and start learning nihongo before u join the big boy rtk argument

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>>20962446
>but you will probably be overlapped in vocab as an rtker jaunts through every new piece of vocab he encounters.
proof? seeing this repeated a lot with not even a good theoretical basis to believe it considering someone learning vocab without doing RTK learns to associate kanji with english concepts too, as this anon admits:
>>20962446

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>>20962451
>im 六九

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>>20962446
rtk takes that part of the learning process and makes it more unnatural and bloated with unnecessary additional details
>>20962448
>you need to have some kind of 工夫 to remember a) the meaning, b) how it's pronounced, and c) what it looks like
its inside my skull
>"remember that the combination produces this word"
that sounds unbelievably crippled
when u see a word in eigo do u parse the letters one by one
u still build associations of the letters with the word and how its spelled but u take it in all at once
>>20962452
but i can stroke order is ez can u read

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>>20962466
eyyy

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962475
>>20962374

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>>20962469
>when u see a word in eigo do u parse the letters one by one
no but my brain still has to remember, and originally had to learn, what kanji made that word. you're talkiing about this from the perspective of someone who knows japanese and doesnt have to think about this shit anymore. if someone asks you to write eigo you still think of which characters make it up (this is a seperate point from actually knowing/remembering how to write them so dont get it twisted)

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>>20956967
Manga isn't even reading.

[Anonymous No.]

even so u still read it

[Anonymous No.]

jamal is so low iq he still doesn't understand the point of rtk is recall not recognition

to be fair the blame is on the kohais who are doing rtk to "learn words easier" and are probably lazy kanji shitters anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962507
rtk undeniably helps w/ recognition as much as recall tho. if you can write something you can definitely recognise it (despite the opposite not being the case)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962507
this post feels especially bad cuz u have like a 70 iq at most and ur tryin to @ me about my iq dang dogg

[Anonymous No.]

im so genius the retards think im retarded LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962508
i'm not contesting that but you learn recognition organically anyway through core so its a side-effect not the main point

you should probably not bother with rtk if you don't want to learn how to handwrite

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>>20962475
you're not understanding the conversation. someone said someone who doesn't do RTK views kanji as random scribbles. but obviously people learn to read japanese without doing RTK so there must be some sort of time limit on how long someone who doesn't do RTK would view kanji as indecipherable scribbles. i asked how long someone who doesn't do RTK would view kanji as scribbles and he said he couldn't read properly without using furigana after 2 years. so either he's retarded (possible) and doesn't represent other learners, or he's trying to claim that because he studied in a half-assed way as a kid that somehow this means everyone needs to do RTK. it's mind-boggling how RTK advocates lack so much perspective if they want to extrapolate their half-assed attempts before doing RTK on to others.

alternatively he's saying that kanji are only scribbles insofar as you can't write them from memory, but that you could still easily acquire a large vocabulary through reading without ever having to write or do RTK. in which case he makes my point.

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>>20962530

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>>20962533
but kanji are scribbles when japanese ppl write them

考え中 emoji

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>>20962519
It's not called WTK. RTK only does writing because it's the only way to truly test recall. With a bit of practice that knowledge translates to recognition just as easily because you actually know the characters from scratch.

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>>20962508
>if you can write something you can definitely recognise it
As someone who did RTK this is absolutely 100% false. There was a lot of kanji I couldn't remember the meaning of when seeing them, but if given the English keyword could write them from memory. I'm sure others who have done RTK in this thread before learning Japanese can understand.

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>>20962537
tueeeeeee

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>>20962541
ive dont rtk before learning japanese myself & never had that issue. i did rtk b4 even learning kana so im basically the top RTK retard here

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>>20962531
There should be 3 guides, really. One for sub-100 IQ people (the current guide will do), then make one for 100-139 IQ people and a third one for 140+ IQ people, who can jump into reading instantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962483
>originally had to learn
not really maybe u sounded it out but id compare that to breakin a compound word into pieces not breakin a single word into kanji
more attention to the individual kanji is only needed if ur forcin urself to be able to write the word from memory even though u dont fuckin know nihongo
>you're talkiing about this from the perspective of someone who knows japanese and doesnt have to think about this shit anymore.
i aint shit at nihongo and still learn shit all the time but i never had to think about that shit in the first place and my progress is goin just fine
>if someone asks you to write eigo you still think of which characters make it up
u remember how it sounds and have a small with any peculiarities in the spelling + association with similar words
>>20962530
imagine someone thinkin they can handwrite for half a fuck without ever seeing how natives actually write lol

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>>20962393
The benefit of rtk, though this isn't exclusive to rtk, is that, if done properly, 1. you will be able to write the kanji learned from memory, 2. you will be able to distinguish similar kanji from one another without the use of context (which depending on the situation might not even help you), and 3. you will be able to understand the meaning of a lot of words without even knowing how to read them. Then all you have to do is learn the appropriate readings.

So at the very least it would seem if you don't care about being able to write kanji from memory then you don't need rtk, right? Well even if not, like I said with point 2, rtk (though not exclusively rtk) allows you to be able to learn the nitty-gritty parts of kanji. I would be slightly hesitant towards your method anyways because I want to be able to distinguish similar kanji without any problems, but if someone doesn't care too much about it then rtk would definitely be more of hassle than benefit.

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>>20962550
there should be a fourth guide for iq posters thats easier than the current guide

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962554
>imagine someone thinkin they can handwrite for half a fuck without ever seeing how natives actually write lol

now imagine this with respect to flashtarding LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962541
This is correct. I'm doing RTK right now and sometimes if I see a certain kanji outside of the book I might not realize it's one that I've learned, despite being able to write it given the keyword

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>>20962557
>1. you will be able to write the kanji learned from memory
don't care
>2. you will be able to distinguish similar kanji from one another without the use of context
not really an issue
>3. you will be able to understand the meaning of a lot of words without even knowing how to read them.
instead of spending those hundreds of hours to infer the meaning of a word just use a hover dictionary on the unknown word.

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>>20962541
That's just because that's not a skill you practiced. If you can write it, you can recognise it.

[Anonymous No.]

When I'm done with genki, should I jump up to more advanced textbooks, or just try AJATT?

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>>20962554
idk dude i just feel like u cant say that you dont need to know individual kanji to recognise a word. it doesnt make any sense to me. ur brain might recognise the word as a whole but it only has the ability to do so because it's capable of distinguishing what it is on a smaller level, if it couldnt do that then u wouldnt even be able to read anything that looked similar.

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>>20962466
>66

[Anonymous No.]

>If you can write it, you can recognise it.
>That's just because that's not a skill you practiced.

someone else itt explain how this isn't a contradiction

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962578
Name one thing that you can write or draw but you couldn't recognize when you see it.

[Anonymous No.]

if me giving u eigo subs is like giving u scissors and u literally kill urself with them

giving some1 a hover dictionary is like giving them a much bigger sharper bladed weapon and they end up like this (u gotta say yosh at the start when he puts the mask on)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHiGbolFFGw#t=252

[Anonymous No.]

downloading the Remember the Kanji anki deck now.

gonna go through and just delete stuff i already know through immersion. will probably have ~600 cards remaining. i'll study those via lazy kanji method then update yall in a month if it helped at all.

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>>20962572
if you want to do ajatt / mia, then being "done" with genki should mean something along the lines of getting a gist of the grammatical structures over a very short period of time. and this should be after you get a basic understanding of roughly what the jyouyou kanji (plus some more) mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962586
Hundreds of kanji after most of my RTK cards were mature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962593
lazy kanji isn't the same as what people on here are pushing tho

[Anonymous No.]

i think its pretty clear jamals IQ is nearing the ４桁 range considering he is able to consistently pinpoint specific instances of music lyrics/videos that relate to ideas in the thread. unfortunately this excludes him from properly discussing the issues that affect us low ３桁ｓ

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>>20962541
>>20962564
true but these are rare cases and not recognizing 20/2200 doesn't make it useless for the rest and mostly stem from RTK's fatal flaw, which is introducing similar kanji all in the same chapter so you keep mixing them up forever, especially if their keywords or meanings are similar

this "can write but couldn't recognize" literally only happens on the first time anyway, then you never forget it when you go like "o yea it was that one now i remember"

either other rtkbros are really fuckin new or really stupid
you shouldn't argue with jamal anyway because he doesn't want to write

[Anonymous No.]

>can understand manga flawlessly while looking only couple of words a page
>can't form a 3 sentence paragraph without a dozen grammar mistakes
why is output insanely hard

[Anonymous No.]

don't do RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962575
do u think every native who can read any words not using jooyoo kanji made up a worksheet to study the new kanji first

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962610
nah cuz at the end of the day i linked radio head so im still 3 digits

maybe in the upper 600s or so

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>>20962616
im personally just pushing some kind of methodology that uses mnemonics to learn kanji in an order that takes into account the building up of radicals. rtk to me is simply a metonym for this idea

[Anonymous No.]

about to bust out the vibrator and enjoy some エロ漫画 on this fine morning

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962634
just make sure u dont shit all over the floor this time.

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>>20962631
not at all, but they already have the innate recognition for kanji that comes with prolonged period of exposure. rtk is simply a way of coming close to that level very quickly imo.

i did rtk but i find it extremely easy to just remember new kanji when i see them in words etc, i dont use mnemonics anymore because ive got to the point where it's not useful. i feel like rtk got me to that stage quicker than most people would naturally

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>>20962634
fucking degenerate

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962616
yea

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962618
Your 英語 output isn't that great either -- just enjoy your reading skills and don't sweat about your limitations.

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>>20962644
same but i dropped rtk and i dont think vocab would have been any slower
i used to post that the biggest compromise id give is study a couple hundred kanji and ur good to go
i aint endorsin that people go off and do that but its better than doin 2000 or more

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>>20962621
kinda funny how u spent like almost a half of the time i did reviewing (and i did rtk3 as well at month -30 so that prob jacked it up).

if you had kept it up you wouldnt have added much more time at all to maintain ur knowledge

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962641
you sound like you have a scat fetish

[Anonymous No.]

what the fuck did i just read
someone has to revive light novel scan vocaroo posting
can i recommend doing it with zero no tsukaima
remember to always post the next page of the story

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962680
holy FUCk

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>>20962680
>you wouldnt have added much more time at all
yes i would have. that shit was annoying as fucking hell. glad i stopped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962702
100 hours over the course of another 2000 days isnt much m8.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962680
Nice. Show your hourly breakdown

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962680
>90 months at 9.6 minutes/day
>450 hours
jesus fucking christ. for perspective that like reading and listening for 4 hours a day for 112 days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962713
why

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>>20962717
it's literally 10mins a day lol, u cant convince me that 10mins a day writing kanji to keep them in your memory bank isnt worth it

[Anonymous No.]

(btw it's actually a lot lot less than 10mins now, i have 4 cards due tomorrow)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962718
I find it interesting to see when people do their reps. You have to be a bit special to keep up with your decks for such a long time

[Anonymous No.]

best way to merge decks
i'm 1800/2200 through rtk1 but I don't want to make my own cards anymore, it's been so long since I added new cards that I can't remember any of the mnemonics so everything I've added is in direct recall mode anyway so I don't care if the premade deck stories are kinda useless

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>>20962712
the 30 minutes i was spending every day was a hell of a lot. the time spent reviewing would probably decrease over time but so what? at that moment it was a huge hassle because i didn't want to do it and wanted to spend less time in anki, and spend anki time on something way more useful like words.

[Anonymous No.]

tfw doing RTK and now I keep thinking 早 literally means "sunflower"

[Anonymous No.]

heres the one that will truly grind the gears of the antiflashtarders. the full collection.

[Anonymous No.]

is this game easy to read
getting tired of doing aniki all day

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962765
Read something that you can texthook over windows, or kanji lookups will be a pain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962765
Yes, it's extremly easy to read and fun too

[Anonymous No.]

http://kotobaweb.com/kanjigame/game?username=RadiantXglossy&gameID=4607638a174

lets go

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962775
i like to draw them on myfavoritekanjiapp

>>20962777
okay gonna give it a try

[Anonymous No.]

Kanji are easy to look up even without drawing or copy+pasting

Just go onto Jisho and look it up by the radicals

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962808
just type the word in the search box

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>>20962764
this doesnt bother me at all idc what stupid shit u do i hope it all worked out for u cuz thats what matters not what i think

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>>20962746
why did you make your own cards in the first place? don't tell me it's the matt meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962815
What if it's a really obscure one though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962823
if it's truly obscure jisho won't find it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962833
Are you saying a kanji like 䯂 isn't truly obscure? Cause that one is on Jisho

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962793
cmon someone play the kanji game with me it's fun

http://kotobaweb.com/kanjigame/game?gameID=4607638a174

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962921
「ことよ」じゃなく「ことだよ」

[Anonymous No.]

http://kotobaweb.com/kanjigame/game?gameID=6419455a179

pls join im lonely

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962957
先輩は優しいだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962957
ほもですけど

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962987
nvm it died because i got too many wrong in a row

[Anonymous No.]

tfw im a brainlet and will never actually learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

i give up on kanji

im just gonna keep learning words forever

anki for the ones that don't stick

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963017
>>20963022
have u tried watching anime and reading eroge without a care in the world or a thought about ur progress

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963022
glad you finally saw the light

[Anonymous No.]

which one of you guys was this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963017
Just do it at a slow pace

Do 10 or so RTK kanji per day at a slow pace until you learn them all

And then move on to a textbook and continue at whatever pace suits you

You may become impatient but the key is keeping yourself motivated. Set goals, and reward yourself. It may take a long time but you'll get there

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963046
this fucking owns LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963046
i laughed out loud. is that a parody comment on the acatt video?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963046
okay i laughed

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963046
u cant do that holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963053
>200 days before u peek at a grammar guide or read a word of nihongo
gambare ne

[Anonymous No.]

>xiaovin
i'm fucking dead

[Anonymous No.]

im still laffin whoever did that is a genius

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963046
>>20963055
>>20963056
>>20963058
>>20963062
>>20963075
I'm a newfag can someone please explain this to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963091
it wont be funny my man. the era has been and gone

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962987
this looks fun, can we make another game?

[Anonymous No.]

karubin is a victim of matts cult

[Anonymous No.]

if u want more search the archive but karubin is dead to us now

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963046
My stomach hurts from laughing

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963130
http://kotobaweb.com/kanjigame/game?gameID=4357118a183

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963165
alright it's starting to enter samefag territory here. pipe it down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963046
post of the week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963046

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963173
Well it's not

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963173
>that was one too many yous this sitch is sus

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963176
wait is this actually him? if not that's a dedicated troll who is aware of calvin's habitica love and waited a few days before unleashing the meme in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963200
also if that is him then that just adds to the youtube comment screenshot. this guy is crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

why are people against sentence farming with anki, when it’s so easy to learn vocab that way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963212
thats not him but you should have already known hes crazy

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963225
i'm not i do it myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963176
was calvin never real in the first place ? did i get suckered in2 believing there was a boy out there who turned his back on everything in his life and fell to hell ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963234
This sort of grim determination is a dead giveaway they're not going to last every time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963271
it cant be that fake thats the image i used when i put the purple hair on him but im starting to question reality a bit because this post is ftw as hell lmao >>20963046

[Anonymous No.]

A good habit for helping solidify new vocab is thinking of any words you already know that have a similar meaning

[Anonymous No.]

fwiw carlvin would be woke as hell if he was learning chinese cuz he wanted to get ahead of the game for the new world order

[Anonymous No.]

i introduced calvin's existence to djt thank me later

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963304
what if i don't feel like it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963311
thats not something at all to be proud of

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963333
desu i'm pretty sure i've supplied most of the fuel for the memes i've seen here over the past year and normally i'd say that's a bad thing except the alternative would just be shittier memes right?

[Anonymous No.]

what if jamal was actually calvin and pretended to be a silly matt cultist for giggles

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962746
why not just use koohii
they have flashcards premade of all the rtk kanji and you can import all the most common user made stories on the site

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963132
>AJATT
>MIA
This is doomed to fail. No one has ever "mastered" Japanese with this useless bullshit. Even Matt is still stuck in intermediate because of this bullshit.

Why is it so hard to understand that you just have to do two things
>learn rtk with Anki
>use textbooks and Anki until you have reached advanced Japanese
>if you don't want to study, you can still enjoy things like anime in your free time
That's it. Easy to explain. Sure, do your AJATT bullshit two more years only to realize that you have lost two more years for nothing.

The biggest reasons most people never learn Japanese is because
>they try to go the easy way (not using textbooks)
>don't do rtk
>not spending enough time every day for Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

not readin that
now that were done disrespectin the fallen ones post bangers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOrTU2NNDVQ

[Anonymous No.]

i just effed up my anki trying to update it. Is there a way to copy the decks i had in it somewhere, then reinstall anki and copy the files back? would i lose the progress i had in them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963362
lmao this has to be a joke

[Anonymous No.]

will flashtards ever recover from this loss?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963319
Then your new word will probably go bye-bye ):

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963387
if u were confident from the start u would have named urself readmore

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963408
i didnt think anyone would join for more than 2 seconds desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963387
what is this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963362
"i+1" has a technical meaning in the science of language acquisition but Khatz and Matt and the jalup guy and everyone else twist the term into something completely different that they can sell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963432
http://kotobaweb.com/kanjigame/create

competitive flashtarding basically

[Anonymous No.]

truly a special olympic sport

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963439
>science of language acquisition

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963362
>"mastered" Japanese with this useless bullshit.
Khatz did it in 18 months, to the point natives say he's borderline flawless. Matt is like if you xeroxed the same thing a hundred times and gets all corrupted. He also has autism while khatz was a holistic thinker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963481
>to the point natives say he's borderline flawless
within the past hour matt just deleted a 12-long comment chain on the ACATT video where some guy said natives have rated khatz' japanese in that blue shirt video from a 7/10 to a 10/10 (i'm assuming it was matt, i saw the comment but it didn't let me view the replies and when i refreshed the page it was gone). so "flawless" is pushing it.

[Anonymous No.]

Out of all japanese learning ecelebs nuke is the most molestable.

[Anonymous No.]

全員 is a word that is usually used by 部長.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963512
is that bungchou

[Anonymous No.]

tp for my bungchou ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963533
賛成

[Anonymous No.]

>increase new words from 10 to 15
>retention falls completely to shit
>150+ to review everyday
>last few always take decades because I'm just constantly failing them over and over
should I go back to 10? I hate this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963586
isn't the answer to this obviously yes?

[Anonymous No.]

Okay guys riddle me this

If 村 generally means village, and 町 means town, why are they reversed in RTK??

[Anonymous No.]

boy i swear to god

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963586
I have also observed that retention rate depends very strongly on the number of new cards. High retention takes less time so it's more productive. Just hold where you're comfortable, 12 maybe. Go back to 10 to cool off and try 15 in a month or two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963449
There is indeed a hard science of language acquisition. It is the second most objective aspect of modern linguistics, beaten only by minimalist framework generative syntax.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963550
コルノホリオ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963666
how about you acquire this generated foot up your ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963586
I do 25 words per day and have never went over 150.. damn dude. Try to do i + 1 words more frequently. Like words with kanji you know and occasional hard words. Work your way out.

[Anonymous No.]

http://kotobaweb.com/kanjigame/game?gameID=6677916a191
Get in here, bros.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963733
>I do 25 words per day and have never went over 150
impossible unless you have weird interval settings

https://pheartheceal.github.io/anki-optimizer/ has you at 150 reps by day 14 with 90% retention

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>>20963481
matt doesnt have autism lol stfu

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>>20963440
cool cool, which one we doin

[Anonymous No.]

the one thing we know matt is for sure is a virgin

[Anonymous No.]

Why do I torture myself ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963760
thats reps not reviews

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>>20963362
>AJATT has one trap which makes it useless and this is i+1, or how I call it, bullshit+1.
>You don't fucking know how good you are. How the fuck should you know how to improve?
i+1 in the context of ajatt just means a sentence with one word you don't know, i'm not sure what you're talking about

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林さんのお子さんにあいさつすると、返事をする代わりにいつもにこにこ笑う
does this mean
"When I greet hayashi's child, instead of getting a reply he is always smiling"
or
"when I great hayashi's child, I always smile"
I FUCKING hatge japanese

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>>20963821
he always replies with a smile, seems obvoius.. he's replying to the greeting to him

[Anonymous No.]

how cringy would it be for a gaijin to speak osaka ben?

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>>20963868
I greet the child (with words), his reply instead is with smiles and laughs.

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>>20963886
based anon, thank you

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>>20963880
itd actually be preferable

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963880
probably as cringy as a jap speaking in a southern accent.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>20963880
what's really cringy is that you would give an ounce of a fuck about that you loser.

[Anonymous No.]

Would you guys say 89% retention is okay? I'm doing 40/50 per day btw

[Anonymous No.]

how cringy would it be for a gaikokujin to speak

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>>20963919
i would say you're a tard for using koohii instead of anki presumably because you're unable to use google to find one of those bare-bones RTK decks

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963821
あいさつするのがＩで

にこにこわらうのがChildだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963929
Like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963936
I'm just lazy, that's a bit different from being a tard

[Anonymous No.]

>>20962993
>>20963000
できないヤツ

[Anonymous No.]

余裕ですね

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/dDZgec6uzMs?t=1093

I wish Calvin had heard this.

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>>20964016
20:42 as well....

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964016
he did.

[Anonymous No.]

i dont wish calvin period

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>>20963362
Why are all the anon fuck-ups making up shit like this? Are you that desperate to justify your inability to read anything beyond spoonfed VN wankfests you have to craft an alternate reality where people that obtain what you can't don't actually have any ability?

Make fun of Matt's self-centered attitude, his awkwardness around people, his chickenshit bravery when it comes to people calling out his bullshit and insults to his face? Fine. Call him intermediate level is Japanese and you look like a fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.]

the words of a wise intermediate

https://streamable.com/yr6fm

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964097
the better i get the more i realize he's good so the lies are weird

[Anonymous No.]

I scored in the 93rd percentile and now I’m amped for the N2 this December.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964111
in what way do u think hes good

[Anonymous No.]

https://streamable.com/qha01

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>>20963439
Krashen, the guy that made-up the term, said it was bullshit to make it sound more scientific. He clarified i+1 is really just the next word your brain is ready to learn from the comprehensible material it's watching. Anki drones just took it to mean just one new word, even if that word should not be the next word you should learn.

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>>20964016
plz dont overdose

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964121
>He clarified i+1 is really just the next word
It's actually about literally anything in the language, not just words. In fact, it's most applicable to grammar. Vocabulary has much less of a regular acquisition order.

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>>20964119
too bad hes basically the next carlvin now

he coulda been win despite being visually repulsive

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>>20963649
Heisig fucked up on this. He admits it in RTK 6th edition. There's some other problems as well with his choices. However, you're a big boy and you can add a list of additional meanings to go with that kanji and keyword. We believe in you anon to use the internet to improve on a 30 year old book.

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>>20964125
and matt and the other dude sucked off kaufmann in the video. looks like matt is slowly realizing anki isn't necessary.

[Anonymous No.]

or you could, you know, just not use something made 30 years ago by someone who didn't know japanese and is based on pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.]

i know what we need

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>>20964151
Heisig never claimed what he wrote was science. He's just sharing his own notes and what tricks he used that worked for him. He's a religious studies professor, not a linguist. He just happens to know a few languages he picked up due to his studies and travels.

[Anonymous No.]

matt got native unvetted by georges wife nuff said

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>>20964161
if u tease one more time i might post my own read along at a snails pace cause i dont know nihongo is that what u want
itll be geyline too

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>>20964166
wrong george said his wife confirmed matt was good but that matt was rude at the end

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964166
Again, dumb fuck anon making up shit. George's wife said Matt's Japanese was great, just that he's an insufferable cunt because he sounded like other Japanese that are insufferable cunts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964174
maybe ill actually just open the game dude

oh look shes death flagging some more looks great real excite

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964181
gonna have to "sauce" that dude

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>>20964181
why is Matt posting here

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964121
I've heard him express regret that the terminology he chose was confusing but I've never heard him say it referred to a word order or even a single particular word.

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i just wish jamal was fair to matt but in the 9 months i've been arguing in favor of mr matt on djt jamal just shits on him no matter what

[Anonymous No.]

>感じ合おう
i can't find a meaning anywhere
does it mean feel together?
full line is
>痛みを感じ合おう
let's feel pain together?

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>>20964221
why would i be fair to someone who doesnt ever put himself out there legit

[Anonymous No.]

anywhere u go dude daily reigi lesson send to matt in case he doesnt know

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964226
sympathize with his reasons for not putting himself out there dude

[Anonymous No.]

i typod like 10 words in that post
anyway* here u go*

[Anonymous No.]

so... if you're learning with immersion only, how do you know its actually working?

every time i try, i end up looking up the same words over and over which makes me feel like i should've just anki'd it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964245
heres literally u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8k1eTEw4rQ

best solution is to just stop it

ull know w.o having to ask

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>>20964245
relax and let the nihongo flow over ur body

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964235
how can anyone take him seriously when he's never spoken Japanese on camera without a script

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964254
lololol

ok

when you say "just stop it" do you mean just stop looking stuff up?

[Anonymous No.]

what about the ichiban clip

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964273
no stop asking if ur there yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-YfKOYGixY#t=16

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964260
like this?

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>>20964245
did you learn ANY vocab before you started reading did you at LEAST read a guide? if both of those are "no" then you may've goofed no matter what memers itt say i genuinely think you should at least learn around 1.5k words before you start reading

[Anonymous No.]

How do you say fuck niji-san in nihongo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964281
wow dude you're black?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964289
ファックにじさん

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964290
only from the waist down 8]

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>>20964277
not technically on camera

[Anonymous No.]

lets just go with the facts

theres this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62r8m3JyEwg

and then theres this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAyDf7jzdw

somethin seems a bit off about this ill let u figure it out (btw some of u have prolly leveled up to have ur own hearty lols at vid #2 at this point)

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>>20964286
yes i know like 5,000 tangos now and many bunpous

in a light novel i get 3~6 unknown words per page on average.....

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>>20964314
could it be that he seems to have his eyes focused in one spot when speaking nihonged yet moves around a lot when speaking eigo, suggesting that he's looking at a weird artificially spontaneous script the whole time?

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i think shes trying to tell me something

[Anonymous No.]

holy SHIt am i reading muramasa ??

[Anonymous No.]

I think I forever corrupted my Japanese.
I did Anki for years, but I hit "hard" when I made a little mistake, like missing a 濁点 or long sound (like しょう instead of しょ).
Now I just keep making these mistakes over and over, and they became pretty much ingrained. I started failing those cards now to get better at them, but I keep remembering them wrong over and over, even making the same mistake 3-4 times in a single day as I keep pressing "again" over and over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964376
bros there's no が shouldn't it be 運がいい i don't think they wrote this right what does this mean......

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>>20964389
KAMIGE CONFIRMED

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>>20964390
never gonna reach it

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i feel like if i did RTK i would remember all these stupid little 々 words better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964390
uninstall anki
watch anime
read eroge

[Anonymous No.]

this kids got some shit goin on for sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964389
is that tourettes lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964453
maybe dude maybe

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964390
Just update Anki to version 2.19.

[Anonymous No.]

who's the most fluent weeb from this board?

[Anonymous No.]

rut roh

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964553
probably the dude that works as a translator now that everyone was talking about the other day

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964589
very subtle own i like it i see u

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964589
probably that flashtard who somehow produced a completely coherent post in japanese apologizing for being rude to jamal on discord

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964598
im being earnest man

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>>20964426
what do yall think about the viewpoint expressed in this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJxDWiEqq9c

TLDW: reading is valuable even if you have no idea what any of it means because it helps you read "faster".................

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>>20964628
he posted it here

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>>20964634
that doesnt really help get it in front of my eyes either dude i aint lookin for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964655
>>/jp/thread/S20908871#p20911626

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964660
i cant believe uve done this

[Anonymous No.]

dang my boy hit us with the さらばだ

[Anonymous No.]

i mentally translated it as "smell ya later"

[Anonymous No.]

for more context

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kinnLkGgcwg#t=3

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>>20964623
i thought he was gonna say at least u get readings of words down even if u dont get the whole sentence but then he says furigana like hes talkin about gettin them ganas down ｗｗ
if you dont understand every sentence youre still gettin somethin out of it
but if youre readin entire pages with no idea whats goin on youre not only bein inefficient but youre boring the shit out of yourself which makes you likely to burn out and quit

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>>20964623
how could u watch any portion of this vid without erupting into instant laughter