/DJT/「Daily Japanese Thread」第2104番

[Anonymous No.]

New guide:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
Old guide for those afraid of change:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Remember: Don't listen to any advice from DJT
前スレ: >>20819089

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前 mean both before and after
This 言語 is so troll

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>>20824549
In what context?

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ahahahaa i'm gonna learn so much japanese now it's not even funny

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>>20824549

it doesnt mean after at all

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>>20824549
If you get somewhere before someone else, you got there ahead of them.

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minna genki ?

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>狐猿

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https://my.mixtape.moe/agygdt.mp4

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genkijanaidesu

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>>20824976
am i gonna have to waste a ton of time doing that stupid sharex thing in order to develop my listening skills or will i just be able to watch a bunch of raw stuff and develop them that way?

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>>20824976
>using english definitions

lol

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you tricked me into thinking japanese was an easy language

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>>20824992
Doesn't take a long time. You can do whatever you like.

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I can't get a read on whether or not the monolingual transition is worth it, because the same people who claim it's pointless as a beginner are the same people who claim anki is pointless which most people intuitively understand to be bullshit.

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>>20824996
あんたバカ？You should have known better.

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>>20825004

matt-sama encourages the transition to monolingual after around 2000 sentences, and clearly he is not claiming anki is pointless

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>>20825016

lol whats this from. reminds me of weebs complaining about j>e translations

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>>20824996
japanese is easy as long as u remember all the trees in the forest like 楠 and 柿

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there is no "monolingual transition" unless u know japanese

period

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Tofugu you... you good, man?

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daily identify reddit thread

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how is a man supposed to get a (君) if assholes like you are always browsing learnjp and calling me out?

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nice try

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>>20825084
It's so stupid learning hiragana and katakana with mnemonics. Considering you will have to use them with more than 2000 Kanji

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>>20825158

next time try using your brain when you make a post and you might end up making more sense

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>>20825185
holy shit you just 火傷'd that man ww

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"まさか、都市のスラムとか言わないよね?"
"まさか、のそれ"
"You're not talking about the city slums, right?"
What does the reply mean?

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>>20825210
Where did you find this?

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>>20825210

im pretty sure he's just sarcastically saying he is actually referring to the slums (それ)

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鼻は動かせないので表情にはあまり影響しません

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at what point in the 10k hours of anime do you start understanding most of it?

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>>20825210
ignore the comma in the reply

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>>20825410
at the 9999th hour

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my god the beginning of core 2k/6k is such a boring slog. one thing, two things.... one day, two days.... and the numbers being different to when you are just counting up on their own.

never thought the kanji would be the easiest and most enjoyable part of this language

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>>20825447
drop it and use vn core 1250

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if passive listening is good then why is watching with english subtitles supposed to be useless

even if you're not getting good by reading the subtitles it should at least be racking up your passive listening time right

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Should I do both the Core 2k/6k decks based on iKnow data, or sentence mining is more helpuful?

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>>20825567
mining

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>>20825544
No, you should be actively listening if you want to actually be learning. If you are reading the English subtitles chances are you are barely listening or not trying to comprehend the spoken Japanese.

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>>20825485
What the fuck is visual novel core 1250

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>>20825544
"passive listening" is the biggest crock of shit pushed by ajatt/mia.

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>>20825592
That's not true, I learned all the honorifics and some pronouns. That really launched my japanese learning career.

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>>20825004
which sounds better to you: spend 10 minutes working through every monolingual definition in order to get a vague meaning of the word and then still need a lot of input to get the nuance, or spend 10 seconds to get a rough english equivilent word and then still need a lot of input to get the nuance?

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>>20825604
it's in the site in the OP
>>20825567
mining is better but mine vocab cards not sentence cards
if you put sentences on the fronts of your cards then you're going to cheat yourself out of proper recognition practice
you can read the sentences on the back for a second pass at comprehension practice but if you can't recognize the word in isolation you need to fail its cards

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>>20825606
i doubt it

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>>20824549
先 annoys me, means both ahead and previous, future and before

you cant even tell by the sentence which meaning it has, because every meaning would make sense most of the time

fuck this language

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https://my.mixtape.moe/zrlugt.mp4

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Remember to do your anki goys

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how many cards do you review each day?

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>>20825678
about 130

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>>20825678
That depends on how much time you have, I'd guess.
You can calculate how many reviews you would approximately get per day with this python script https://pastebin.com/6GJqpSgL..

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>>20825693
does it take a lot of time?

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>>20825642

stop posting these

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>>20825714
Let me think about it.

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>>20825706
maybe 30 minutes

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i cant find any good sentences to mine

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>>20825699
I swear you pythonfags no better than the jsfags.

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Why is 見る written as 観る in the later sections of Tae Kim's grammar guide?
Was there a writing reform literally yesterday that i missed?

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>>20824689
Based.

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>>20825815

観る more specifically means to watch & enjoy something (e.g. plays, sports games, movies, etc), he's probably just trying to clue you into the distinction between certain kanji for the same verb

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>>20825843

i guess i should have said 観 itself is more related to that meaning, it doesn't literally mean "watch and enjoy", it's just the context that it's used that dictates which one you should use

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>>20825656
No time to do Anki even though I'm a NEET.

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>>20825861
you should at least have time to download a better reaction image

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>>20825861
>no time
read: "I'm a dekinai and don't actually want to learn"

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What is that 後ろにまれる ??

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>>20825889

まわるよバカド変態め！

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>>20825896
guess I mistook わ for れ

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>>20825861
Is this one okay?
>>20825882
I'm a faggot dekinai that has time to do Anki and browse DJT. You are not studying hard enough if you have time for Anki.

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I cringe every time when I see people who make decks that have too many data fields. You only need 3 (word, reading, meaning)

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>>20825908

you guess? no wonder you can't even figure out kana if that's what you think a guess is

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>>20825944

what's it like being a japanese to english decoder bot?

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>>20825944
you only need 2 (word, reading)

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>>20825945
nonono, you got it wrong
"I guess" is something you could also say in "it looks like" kind of way.

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lets get this shit poppin boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wlQi_wbQC4

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>>20825656
>>20825882
Daily reminder if you have not finished studying 広辞苑 you are a Dekinai. Anki is baby shit compared to this. If you don't want to then enjoy your beginner/intermediate Dekinai hell faggot.

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>>20825738
Try reading 人間失格 and youll find something

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>>20826033
>Anki is baby shit compared to this
what if i anki koojien

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why not just listen to it instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-ZzDh_0qV8#t=12

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matt's favorite japanese dictionary is Shinmeikai5 so what if i read that?

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>>20825738
Falling for the flashcard jew.

Not gonna make it.

Flashcards are known to have many mistakes in them and thus is not trustworthy get some Japanese Textbooks made by Japanese authors and study Japanese dictionary． The best Japanese dictionary is 広辞苑.

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>>20826064
There is no deck of 広辞苑 and probably never will be. It's not even possible to do it it won't fit.

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>>20826077
>Flashcards are known to have many mistakes in them
what did he mean by this

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>>20826087
what if i told you that you can make your own deck
>it won't fit
?

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Rain is cute! Cute!!!

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>>20826089
It means that many flashcards are made by Dekinai's that don't even fully understand Japanese. NEVER learn Japanese from a 外人

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>>20826105
>read word
>copy definition
there's 0 room for fucking it up

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>>20826105
based on the post he is obviously making his own cards and if hes not an idiot theres not much that could go wrong

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>>20826097
It's a huge waste of time just study directly from the dictionary itself. Look Anki is good for a beginner/intermediate level however, It will never help you reach fluency.

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>>20826077

im already n1 so ive already made it to the starting line. just need to grind my 10k hours of anime

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>>20826127
so i should just read koojien front to back to reach fluency

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https://my.mixtape.moe/ccwmbl.mp4

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>>20826131
Exactly. Koojien is like a final boss when it comes to Nihongo. However you need at least a intermediate level of Japanese in order to start studying koojien.

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I'm more of a 大辞林 man myself

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>romanising it koojien

dekinai spotted

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How many new cards per day should I study starting out? Im using core2k/6k and I want to learn more, but I know that the whole point of anki is to almost forget what I learn, so I know not to overload myself.

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>>20826128
Don't fall for the N1 jew either this doesn't mean you are completely fluent yet.

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>>20826152

like 15-25

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he did say "starting line"

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>>20826142
what should i do until then
>>20826149
dont worry i can see the ganas with yomichan

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俳人
癈人

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>>20826157

yea cause thats totally what i said and not the opposite dumb@$$

you know this is a thread for english speakers? dont they have a djt on krautchan or something for you?

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>>20826149
Lol what a sensitive faggot. Does it really matter that much? Looks like we have a insecure little Dekinai here.

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Will I speak like a girl when I go to Japan if I mainly read Kirara and watch female seiyuu programs?

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>>20826168
>yea cause thats totally what i said and not the opposite dumb@$$
>Censoring yourself on 4chan

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2000 hours so that I could read my degenerate loli game
this was worth it right?

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>>20826168
Sorry I don't have time to read every post on DJT.

And again stop being a sensitive little faggot Dekinai.

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do you always reply to posts you havent read lmao

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germans are honestly dumb as fuck

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>>20826182
You dont make time to read the posts, but you make the time to think about a response, type it, and then post it, all to something that you didnt even read. Makes sense to me.

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>>20826164
Study Japanese textbooks that are completely in Japanese. If that is too hard for you get some Japanese Textbooks in English that focus on going from intermediate to advanced there are a few textbooks that do that.

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已巳

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>>20826201
No you made a response on my comment first. I only read the reactions I get from my posts. Faggot Dekinai lol.

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>>20826216

this brings us to the word of the day

已己巳己

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>>20826174

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>>20826217
>Assumes everyone responding is the same person

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>>20826181
Is there anything special to this or what?

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>>20826190
And again I only reply to replies I get from my posts.

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>>20826181
that shits hella trash and ur going to prison congrats

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the guy calling people dekinais is just taking out his stress over not being able to remember the kana after spending 2 weeks struggling for 12 hours daily, give him space

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>>20826230
And specifically in that post he said that he was only at the starting line, NOT that he was fluent

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>>20826232
yeah but at the same time don't you just wanna piss in his mouth for daring to fucking open it

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>>20826230

are you legit retarded or what. no-one cares what posts you reply to. the point is you completely misread the post that you replied to and then pretended you didn't read it "because i only reply to post thats reply to me" ??? as if any of that makes sense.

just calm down, learn english, and possibly attempt to improve your brain somehow, possibly shock therapy

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>>20826225
I overlooked this one and knew after I made the post it's a different person lol. Stop making assumptions. At least I'm not a faggot dekinai that browses DJT thinkin you can learn Japanese from it.

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>>20826232
Maybe we should make a course especially for people like him where they remember half a kana every other month so as to not stress their brain too much. They should be fluent in no time!

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>>20826243

No, you just go around calling people who have N1 'dekinais' when you probably couldn't even read your own name if it was written in kana.

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>>20826242
Learn English? LOL have you looked at your own posts? You must be American.

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>>20826243
I didnt make any assumption, I just read what was there and you directly addressed me as if I were the first anon

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dumb@$$ european detected

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>>20826254
Seething N1 dekinai. Can a person really become this triggered? You remind me of dykes.

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>>20826221
that's pretty neat

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>>20826262
Seething Jamal detected. How is your intermediate dekinai hell faggot?

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>can a person really become this triggered

it would very much appear so

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its hard to keep up with how many people are mad at each other right now come on hug it out

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epic retard is here, i'll see ya'll later. make sure to report til he gets banned lol

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Can this be renamed to DPBT (Daily Punching Bag Thread)? cause so many people seem to be projecting their shitty day onto here

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It's like the dekinai's here are venting their anger and frustrations out on me lol. It's not my fault you suck at Japanese sheesh. You can always neck yourself if you want to.

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土俵スレ

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>>20826283
Yeah right Jamal you just mute and report people's posts that you don't like.

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>>20826315
>retard comes into the room screaming and shitting himself over other people
>crying about "dekinais" "jews" "dykes" etc and telling people to kill themselves
yeah dude you're definitely cool and people here want you to stay lmao

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reminder that giving attention to attention seekers encourages them

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u guys need to relax also im the only jamal here

thx

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Just started goblin slayer and the fuck, people here said it was easy but the dialogs are filled with slangs, even the narrator use strange/rare vocabvulary.

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>>20826323
Lol talk about getting triggered. Jamal and his Dekinai followers should just KYS. I don't give a shit whether people wanting me to stay here or not lol.

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also i just scroll by them i dont hide or report posts well i do report posts if someone says the n word but no one here says that right : )

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>>20826329
Everyone that I disagree with is a attention seeker.

Neck yourself retard.

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wheres the vocaroo

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>>20826336
goblin slayers target audience is literally d&d dads bro idk what u expect here

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got it right here sir

https://vocaroo.com/i/s0sCcBi8tsuA

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I want to Chikan Takeshi!

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>>20826181
She talks in hiragana bro. Have fun losing your nihongo gains.

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zeNin?

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>>20826343
Yeah but I read people here saying that it was easy, I guess one shouldn't trust /djt/.

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xengqing

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djt aka the rape of zengning

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>>20826369
The first to actually know how to hatsuon this one

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honestly this bothers me cuz im pretty sure any1 thats been here in the last couple weeks is now gonna have a permanent issue with that word and this is not what i want but fsr im..liking it

dark わたし has risen

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いい加減黙れ

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dont worry anyone who was affected by the great ng debate was never going to make it

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>>20826408
I'll balance my mokutou if I feel like it.

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the great ng wars of 2019 saw many casualties

zengning buji datta jangai

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>>20826229
Yes it is the healing piece of garbage we must aim for.
Once we have reached true mastership of nihongo this is where we rest.

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if u install monobeno u get swatted immediately do nOT do it

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Good thing I live in the ichii world

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good thing i live in the kimochiii world

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DJT in one picture.

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And no don't deny that you guys are equal to a SJW dyke.

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>>20826549
wwww gise I said it XD

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>>20826336
that's what you get for reading normalfag shit
The time to read goblin slayer was 4 years ago

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Is it just me or do you guys also have times when you understand better and times when you understand worse. I'm steadily progressing, but often I feel completely overwhelmed again, just like at the beginning and then a few days later everything is fine again. It has to be mostly subjective, but I feel like I have to kinda tune in and when I'm trying too hard I have a much harder time.

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holY SHIt

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>>20826590
this is called depression dude

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>>20826590
seems normal to me
>>20826608
oh shit

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>>20826590
the truth is u never understood

bc understanding is independent of emotion

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>>20819973
>you won't be able to start learning japanese until at least N1
it kinda feels that way. i don't feel like i'm reinforcing the basics as much as i need to because every other sentence i just get flooded with new words or combinations of grammar points i can't understand.

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>>20826608
oh boy, I kinda suspect this as well.

>>20826619
I don't know, it's probably just not good when I concentrate too much on understanding every word. When it just kinda get with the flow and enjoy the content, I can probably easier fill in the gaps.

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>>20826594
Kinda sucks understanding this after all those months when I didn't.

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>>20826589
I love being a normalfag, I love my twitter, I love my facebook, I love my reddit.
I hope your body gets totally rotten before anyone notices your dead when you'll hang yourself so you don t have a proper burial you degenerate neet.

That was a joke by the way, I just needed to make that post because this is the 4th time today someone call me a normalfag on this site.

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>>20826594
胸糞が悪いです。

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>>20826608
I would also be depressed if I didn't knew how to properly make English sentences.

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>>20826632

yea once you've got all the kanji and grammar under your belt you just let the nihongo flow over you and that's when the true learning happens

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>>20826641
i kinda like what u said here so i wont pursue how u dont understand further cuz

>just kinda get with the flow and enjoy the content

is really good and ftw

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>>20820590
>How is it so specific?
I've been here 8 months and this is the third time I've seen the question asked here, all within the past few weeks. Moreover all the decks I see recommended here like core2k and vncore do not have furigana on the front of the cards which would be the only good reason for removing furigana, meaning the three of you have to coincidentally be finding some retarded deck that is not recommended here, or you're coincidentally stupid in such a specific way so as to think furigana in a deck is a bad thing. Plausible, but it's also plausible that it's the same guy fishing for better answers.

If you're not the same guy it must be frustrating to get that answer, but that doesn't mean he was wrong to assume you're the same person.

tl;dr do core2k or vncore from the CoR. I wonder if the ankiweb vncore deck has furigana on the front of the cards and you low IQ dipshits think that's the vncore being recommended here.

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>>20826660
KYS.

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>>20826594
巨乳

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>>20826660
normalfag lol

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a lot of hostility in here today

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every1s mad cuz bad lmfaoo

[Anonymous No.]

If you're having trouble learning a word, learn a longer word

...for example, I used to get 社会 and 会社 mixed up all the time...I knew what they both meant, and the pronunciation is obvious from the kanji, but I could never remember which meaning went with which one. After learning compound words containing both, like 株式会社, and 社会問題, I don't have that problem anymore.

It works for single words too, not just pairs of words...for some reason, I could never remember what 取り立て meant until I learned 取り立て金, and I had a hard time with 放送 until I learned 公共放送. (If the word has a lot of alliteration/assonance, or is otherwise fun to say, it will be more memorable.)

It's not that the longer word gives you any particular insight into the meaning...it's just that your brain will automatically fill in the "missing" part of the longer word when you're looking at the shorter one. It's like using the English phrase "vacuum cleaner" to remind yourself what a "vacuum" is.

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Hey dudes i finished jojo part 2 today. I went from reading two chapters a day to four. Hope I can push to six in part 3

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>>20826691
tldr watch anime for vocab

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i also advocate this concept of learning more japanese

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>>20826691

actually you should assign mnemonics to each individual kana in the word

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>>20826698
can u stop making such harmful posts and then having ppl mistake u for me ? its really starting 2 grind my gears and im about to get i dare say mad because apparently thats the thing to do now is just get fuckin mad as hell

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>>20826717
sorry for being the you you wish you could be

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>>20826724
KYS Jamal LARPING Dekinai faggot.

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>>20826696

nice, i got caught up w/ jojo and my reading speed improved from like 6-8 hours per volume to 40mins per volume by the last one. 120 volumes or something is a lot of words even if it's just manga

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>>20826740
you have severe autism

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If watching anime to learn is bad then why is manga recommended to learn from? Is mangaspeak really that different from animespeak?

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>>20826740
lolled at each individual word in this post lmao

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wish i could see that guys other posts lol

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>>20826755
"animespeak" is a dekinai meme. and you can't replace listening practice with reading.

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im pretty sure i can tell who it is and also that the post itself is just ironic mad to fit the current threads mad meta

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>>20826755
>If watching anime to learn is bad
only some retards on reddit would say this

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>>20826755
anime isnt bad unless u talk like one

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>>20826763
>>20826771
>>20826776
oh okay

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redditors really think you will just blurt out shit like 貴様殺してやる if you watch anime

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>>20826740
why does this dude always capitalize dekinai
that's like if you were speaking english and you capitalized Idiot every time you said it like bro...

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>>20826786

idk hes european and doesnt speak english or something

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does /djt/ own crypto-currency?

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yeah

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>>20826763
animespeak is a thing and people will notice that something is very strange with how you speak. However, don't think even for one second that this is a real problem. If you watch tons of anime your understanding and talking skills will sky rocket and it's still way better than to know proper polite speech and such nonsense, but having a heavy accent and not understanding much.

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i bought bitcoins when they were 3 dollars lmao its the secret to how i can post on djt all day without a care in the world

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also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B3k5sTX0CE#t=15

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>>20826805
based if it's true.
If you don't post proof I'm just gonna assume you're lying.

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>>20826805
if true i'm jealous desu. i can only imagine being relieved of the burden of having 30% of my life at work.

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>>20826804
polite speech is just adding desu and avoiding certain words. even beginners know how to make sentences polite.

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THIS LANGUAGE HAS SO MUCH GRAMMAR I'M DYING
And it's not just grammar it's like... multiplicative grammar.

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>>20826827
ok heres ur proof

im still not rich and still have to make money

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>>20826856

it's really not that much compared to many indo-european languages

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most indo-european languages probably have grammar that is similar enough that it's intuitive for an english native, but not japanese

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imagine not knowing any other indo-european languages and assuming they have grammar that is at all similar to english

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>>20826886

not really desu

even languages that are most closely related like german are much more complex grammatically than english or japanese

it's just easier to grind vocab in similar languages so you only have to watch like 2k hours of leni riefenstahl documentaries instead of 10k hours of anime

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>>20826917
i guarantee the "complexity" of german grammar is a cakewalk compared to japanese for an english native.

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>>20826929
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826930
so long as the word order is very similar, there's no problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826929

as an english native who passed N1 and got an A on the grammar section, I don't think it's hard at all

90% of it is just learning how certain vocab works, it's not really complex or confusing in any way

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826917
>>20826929
>>20826930
Being a german learning english was a fucking cakewalk. I didn't even really study the language, just started playing Diablo 2 in middle school and went from there.

[Anonymous No.]

not gonna lie i pretty much became fluent in german from this vid and 10000 hours of rammstein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVGRDPxlS7k#t=27

[Anonymous No.]

i knew he was german

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826856
>multiplicative grammar
do you mean agglutination?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826939
>90% of it is just learning how certain vocab works
that's even more true for closely related languages. look, idk if it's europeans suffering from the "my language is so hard!" syndrome, but your language is 100% definitely easier to learn than japanese for an english native.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826966

that image has literally zero to do with grammar

the extra hours it takes to learn is because it's 100x more effort to learn how to read thanks to kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826972

case in point: chinese is categorised similarly despite the grammar being mostly incredibly similar to how english grammar works and otherwise very simplistic since it's an analytic language rather than agglutinative

[Anonymous No.]

chinese is really easy and u can and should write it all in english letters anyway when communicating

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826972
it has to do with both grammar and kanji which is why japanese is harder than chinese. you're probably confusing consistency for ease. it doesn't matter if an indo european language has crazy exceptions or something. it's still going to be more intuitive than japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826849
so it's basically just talking like a loli, isn't it ~dearimasuka?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826993
你很バカです

[Anonymous No.]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826940
same here, japanese is much harder, but mostly because of the foreign vocab. Grammar is a fucking joke compared to German, French or Russian. But overall grammar isn't that important anyways. I would prefer more difficult grammar to vocab any day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20825678
120 in 15 minutes or less.

[Anonymous No.]

watashi wa ringo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826995

there's nothing intuitive about grammatical concepts like gender to an english native speaker lol

turkish has extremely similar grammar to japanese, such to the extent that there were theories of them being the same language family, it is also much harder phonetically than japanese. and yet it's only a category IV language. clearly the grammatical aspect is not the major influence on time it takes to learn.

the difficult is 100% in whether or not there are many shared words. grammar isn't intuitive between languages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827009
i fixed that thing a long time ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827021
>there's nothing intuitive about grammatical concepts like gender
gender? really? that's a joke in terms of comprehension.
>clearly the grammatical aspect is not the major influence on time it takes to learn.
maybe. it doesn't really matter.
>grammar isn't intuitive between languages.
what the fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827018
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826590
This is literally all based on what your reading. You can feel like a nihongo master with one book and then you go to the next chapter or a different book and nothing makes sense. Just keep going and those times will come less.

[Anonymous No.]

there was a sentence i needed help with 2 days ago but i had a 3 day ban so i couldn't ask djt for help

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827009

# of unique kanji has no relevance to how difficult something is to read, especially when almost everyone is using some texthooker to read anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827009
I have never ever played a VN for more than five minutes, even if fully dubbed and subbed in english. Can you recommend something to get me hooked? What is the Elfenlied / EVA / AoT / SAO equivalent or whatever babies first VN that almost everybody likes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827044

katawa shoujo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20824337
>http://www.alicesoft.com/

>It's another site blocked to non japanese ips

Sick of this shit, what's the best japanese vpn you'd recommend.
What pisses me off the most is that I already have a vpn but non of the ips it gives are from Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827029
>maybe. it doesn't really matter.

except that was your whole point lol

>m-muh japanese grammar is so difficult!

you can literally learn every single grammar point from n5-n1 in a couple of weeks

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827049
please this seems extremely niche, because it's about homosex.

[Anonymous No.]

Stupid question, but can all Oosakans speak standard, Tokyo Japanese just as well if they wish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827059
>except that was your whole point lol
my point is that japanese grammar is much harder for english natives than closely related languages like grammar, and that's some of the evidence i provided for it. but the evidence i provided wasn't itself the point. plus you haven't supplied anything either.
>in a couple of weeks
yea you're probably reading some shonen if you think it's that simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827060
what

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827064
>like grammar
like german*

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827057
You can configure TOR to only pick Japanese exit nodes. Have to edit something in the config file, google it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827064
>yea you're probably reading some shonen if you think it's that simple.

ブブー

i'm currently reading 周作遠藤's 沈黙 ill have you know

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827067
>>20827060
sorry I confused something there. But sure I remember a normie acquaintance of mine playing it. So thanks I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827074
No I'd rather one with a good connexion and stay away from tor.
By the way I'm curious as to what this site looks like, can someone with a japanese ip take a screen of the main page?
It's probably some eroge so it may contain porn/nude.

http://www.alicesoft.com/

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826669
the best part is the deck on ankiweb isn't called vncore, it's called v2k, people just go
>oh, "core", so it's a shared deck!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827009
can i get the original of this so i can remake it

[Anonymous No.]

>俺の目の前で起きることは
いつだって俺の出来事でしかない
Can someone help me with that sentence please, specifically with the last part of it.
俺の出来事でしかない
"What is happening before me is always something I have brought onto myself"
or "... only my business and no one else's" or is it something else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827089
If you just want to download a patch or occasionally browse a site, Tor is fast enough.
There's also SoftEther that has a lot of Japanese servers, used to connect to kancolle with it before easier methods were found.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827044
Nanarin into Akeiro

[Anonymous No.]

Can somebody tell me what nuke is playing here: https://youtu.be/TZ9QIszrE-4?t=5381 (at around 1:29:40)
I know it's some drama CD of Zero no Zukaima, but I don't find this specific one and I really really like the voice actress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827106
u got brain damage

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827095

the former is basically right, but maybe something closer to "everything that happens is my doing". i don't think it's necessarily as negative as "brought upon myself" but it depends on context i guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826763
>>20826804
lmao you've been disproven by matt-sama and dogen-dono, anime will cripple pitch accent and other pronunciation fundamentals, live action or bust if u want to speak well

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827105
will check out, ty

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827106
It's an audiobook from the guide in the OP
https://mega.nz/#F!WDplGSCZ!rC2VxSlvECl4Px5bNnsTKA
And this is the text that is being read in it.
https://mega.nz/#F!FcxwDThD!aA3-8t1XKQ8AOyI5yJPsHw?VVBX2brK

[Anonymous No.]

>>2082712

Nuke's up early and browsing DJT I see

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827121
How could this possibly cripple pitch accent? The problem seems more to be, that in anime you have a weird mix of different dialects, time periods, tugs, age and genders and they have lots of fun with it. So you end up talking very strange and inconsistent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827121
safe to say matt's a failure by now

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827127
thank you so much (nuke?). You are doing gods work.

[Anonymous No.]

このスレはまずすぎる

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

why do all VNs involve romance? why isnt there a subgenre of VNs where you just do shit like kill evil dudes. women are gross

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827167
imagine thinking sex is grosser than murder

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just me or having a strong foreign accent sounds way worse in Japanese than it does in English?
I was listening to this korean girl sing and it really grinded my gears.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827169

it's not murder we're talking about evil dudes here. evil dudes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827167
vndb tag search "no ero content original language japanese" but if your real problem is that women are gross might i suggest quality homoge

>>20827169
sex is 100x grosser than murder

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827159
that's a lot of work to go thru when you could just post jamal's hentai games chart which is unironically quality

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827191
its also just a wall of impermeability to people who dont know any japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827095
i don't know japanese but my brain told me it's basically "everything that happens in front of me is always something that i did myself."

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827183

nice time to play some not-so-icky VNs

[Anonymous No.]

nihonjin, I see the difference, but this is not fair.

>石
>右
>石
>右

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827199
and a budding young scanlator was born

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827217
prefacing with "i don't know japanese but" just wasn't enough for me to not get scolded huh

[Anonymous No.]

i mean that doesnt make u any less qualified to become a scanlator

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827235
あたしはむしろ死にたいのよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827265
don't respond in place of me please

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827272
He knows me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827039
>almost everyone is using some texthooker to read anyway
Speak for yourself, N1-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827095
What site is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826793
When you can't properly speak English even though its your native language. Burger IQ here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827296

im speaking for the majority, i dont need a texthooker (nor do I even play VNs) but its obvious most of the people who are trying to learn japanese (and therefore looking for a 'relatively easy VN') use one

[Anonymous No.]

When you are a Burger that can't even grasp their own native language although its the only language you know and start learning Japanese. That is pretty much DJT in a nutshell. No wonder this place is full of faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

yeah no wonder youre here : )

[Anonymous No.]

nippongo muzukashiikute syaberanaimon

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/o9cErhwlxrg?t=205 from 3:26-5:35
https://youtu.be/I3biZ2YwSk4?t=15 from 0:15 to 2:11

Dogen and Matt (both Native VettedTM) absolutely BTFOing animefags. Defend yourselves, nerds. Oh wait, you can't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827215
Once you did a bit of reading you can instantly tell at a glance, just like
ツ
ツ
ソ
ソ
stops being a problem after a month or two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827420
Yeah not gonna watch all that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827420
They're both right and yet nothing they said is relevant to anyone wanting to learn Japanese through anime. Particularly because they're talking about optimal pitch accent practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827420
second for also not watching ur wannab-e-celeb shit they have no academic vetting that make their opinion on anything related to learning japanese valid so get some of that pls : )

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827464
MUHHHHHHHH pitch accent.

[Anonymous No.]

more like bitch accent

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827435
>>20827490
stay dekinai, stay katakoto

[Anonymous No.]

the whole pitch accent infatuation is bizarre. does anyone really care about sounding exactly like a jap? it's never going to actually inhibit anything you do if your accent is a bit fucked unless your goal is to become an NHK announcer, in which case it aint gonna happen anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827510
>does anyone actually care about accurate pronunciation in an acquired language

do you realize how stupid you sound?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827429
wait a sec...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827506
When you think language revolves around accent you truly become a dekinai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827490
>academic vetting
>valid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

[Anonymous No.]

i mean do i have 2 do the standard insult matt and dogen for being exactly what they are cuz i will

dogen sounds like an idiot white guy imitating an anime character on camera and a normal white guy speaking white guy japanese casually

have no doubt hes functional in 99% of situations in the language

matt otoh is a toilet eating piss jugging neckbearded autistic 20 something year old who pretends to be better at japanese than he is because hes a nerd with a bunch of effectively japanese language trivia knowledge

bring us a fresh face plz im long past bored of these ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827517

there's a difference between pronouncing the sounds correctly and pitch accent. do you think people from osaka aren't "accurately pronouncing" the syllables in 箸 because they dont say it with the same accent as people from tokyo? lol

you can pronounce words well but still not have a perfect pitch accent and it'll still be 100% comprehensible and not even sound that bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827517
He is talking about pitch accent and not pronunciation. You really are that dense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827510
i'm nowhere near a level where it matters right now but yea, in the future i'll feel if i can exert a little effort to improve how i sound that it'll be worth it. i know personally in experience that although people with heavy accents can say intelligent things, they sound very off to me. i'd like to limit a nip from feeling that about me as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

A reminder that like half of the Japanese don't even sound like the 関東弁 Japanese like in your anime, with all the different dialects.

[Anonymous No.]

atama ga itaiyo-

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827300
It is this
https://video.fluentcards.com/
I save a local copy of it and modified layout and fonts to my liking.
Best way to watch anime with subs I found so far - fully compatible with yomichan

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827536

there's a huge difference between pitch accent and 訛り tho lol

listen to one of those dumb videos where they have tons of foreigners speaking japanese for variety shows. the nigerians still have their shitty african accent that they would when speaking english. it has absolutely nothing to do with pitch.

i think some of you don't even realise what pitch accent even is desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827549
You still are confusing pitch accent with pronunciation. You really are that retarded huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827549
matt said pitch is even more important than accent in sounding comprehensible and coherent to natives. someone with proper pitch but who pronounces japanese R's in the american english way sound better than someone with no pitch accent training.

[Anonymous No.]

i literally just gave an explicit example to distinguish between them both in the very post you're replying to, can you read lol

[Anonymous No.]

Stop mixing up Japanese and Chinese.
Pitch accent is in Chinese, Japanese language has the different dialects instead like kansaiben.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827565

and matt is an expert on what natives think is comprehensible/coherent sounding lol?

[Anonymous No.]

Wrong reply lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827572
all it takes is for him to ask them. so yea, he probably knows better than anyone here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827565

if this was true then people from different regions would have a much harder time communicating than "american english guy who has perfect pitch accent"

theres tons of regional differences in pitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827528

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827569
Lol do you even know Chinese? No Chinese doesn't have pitch accent it has tones instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827582
Different names of the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827577
wait what, how on earth do you think that follows? that's like saying someone with a heavy nigerian or chinese accent in english sounds native because american english has regional dialects.

[Anonymous No.]

Focusing too much on pitch accent is unnecessary unless you wanna LARP as a Japanese that bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827565
haha so then a normal japanese person would think this is a entirely different language right lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftKNfQkzksM#t=11

b4 ne1 asks yung taka now that hes made it deleted all his old vids and changed his alias to be less copyright infringing ftl

[Anonymous No.]

>change format to japanese for vns
>now every default app is in japanese
w-what do i do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827587

you literally don't even understand what's being talked about so why are you replying to me

i'll break it down for you since you struggle with logic

1) matt says pitch accent is more important than pronunciation for comprehension

2) there are tons of differences in pitch accent across regions of japan

3) therefore according to matt, a native speaker from osaka speaking with different pitch accent than someone from tokyo would be harder to understand for the tokyoite than someone with garbage japanese pronunciation speaking with perfect tokyo pitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827599
i had a problem where changing my system locale to japanese fucked with some programs so i switched back to default and launch japanese programs with locale emulator. works nice for the stuff i've tried but i'm guessing it doesn't work for everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827575

how tf are you going to ask a native that in any constructive way? i could ask my gf if she understands people with "perfect pitch accent easier than people who talk like a dumbass gaijin' and she'd just ask me what the fuck im talking about lol. natives dont think about shit like this

you'd need to conduct some kind of actual scientific experiment involving speakers saying phrases one w/ perfect pitch but shit accent and the opposite to come close to a valid conclusion on this

not just "matt says he knows". we dont even fuckin know if he asked anyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827602

oh and in case you're really really stupid

4) this is so obviously not true that it shouldn't even require saying

[Anonymous No.]

can u guys stop being pitch bitches

all u gotta do is flow right and u will be easily understandable it doesnt matter if u sound the equivalent of a hindu speaking english

[Anonymous No.]

Even native Japanese people themselves don't have perfect pitch accent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CGVxpKES3k

[Anonymous No.]

Ok lads. In the white areas, the nihonjin don't use pitch accent. So try to pronounce things correctly and in an even tone, and if you also squint your eyes all the time, maybe the natives will assume you're from those areas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827602
>therefore according to matt, a native speaker from osaka speaking with different pitch accent than someone from tokyo would be harder to understand for the tokyoite than someone with garbage japanese pronunciation speaking with perfect tokyo pitch
no this doesn't follow for a couple reasons, but the really obvious one is that someone from tokyo has likely heard people from osaka their entire lives. my analogy was entirely apt for the same reason - a foreigner with a heavy chinese accent would be harder to comprehend than a southerner. the latter is native but just a different dialect. he may be more comprehensible to a midwesterner than a swedish ESL with an accent more similar to standard american english.

>>20827609
>natives dont think about shit like this
it's not something you have to think about. it's something you've either heard or not.

[Anonymous No.]

easily understood just sound funny

most of the time id consider it even less extreme than most mispronunciations in english

either way who cares u should sound like urself and not artificially deepen ur voice and sound like a literal anime character

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827630
>really obvious one is that someone from tokyo has likely heard people from osaka their entire lives

lol so then they should be used to hearing different pitch but good japanese pronunciation? hmmm wonder what that's analogous to

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw no anime to watch
What masterpiece anime should I rewatch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827642
the touhou anime is pretty good

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827639
>used to hearing different pitch
kinda like how an american be used to hearing a southerner but that doesn't render all other accents perfectly comprehensible. heh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827647

it's not a fucking accent tho thats the point

southerners literally pronounce the sounds of english differently. it's not the fuckin same in any way you retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827642
K-On!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827642
うる星やつら

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827642
i bet u still havent watched this get on my level https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iflsELvgrfw

btw before u try to say its not a masterpiece literally watch the whole thing especially the final episode plz

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827652
>it's not a fucking accent
>southerners literally pronounce the sounds of english differently
like how different regions in japan use tones differently? what the fuck are you even trying to say? it works exactly the same way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827647
So this is the true power of the pitch accent faggot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827664
>tones

i give up. you clearly actually don't know what we're talking about

[Anonymous No.]

lmao this is actually for sure the worst djt thread of 2019 so far hands down

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827664
Not only do they have different tones or no tones at all. Different regions also have different pronunciation and different grammar. and vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827665
leave me alone
>>20827667
make better arguments next time instead of getting bitch slapped and falling back to semantics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827671

cant say i disagree w/ this assessment

[Anonymous No.]

Pitch is described in terms of rising and falling tones you 黒い人.

[Anonymous No.]

all i can say is i hope u guys dont watch all those osaka rap vids then walk around everywhere sayin おおきに

[Anonymous No.]

Rising and falling tones. That's it. How the fuck can you confuse this with pronunciation?

[Anonymous No.]

because its literally how u pronounce the word

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827675
>make better arguments next time instead of getting bitch slapped and falling back to semantics.

your argument is that a foreigner speaking japanese to a tokyoite w/ the same pitch as someone from osaka is similarly incomprehensible as some chinese ESL mispronouncing every syllable while speaking to a native english speaker

dont even have to provide any argument to show how dumb that is

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827671
まだまだこれからだ。
史上最悪最低のスレを狙おうぞ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827695
>your argument is that a foreigner speaking japanese to a tokyoite w/ the same pitch as someone from osaka is similarly incomprehensible as some chinese ESL mispronouncing every syllable while speaking to a native english speaker
no, that is definitely not what i'm arguing. this is you not knowing how to read and derailing this into some weird irrelevant conversation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827694
Holy fucking shit. I give up as well no point talking to a tard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827687
besides one or two guys responding to each other once i don't think the convo has ever been whether or not rising and falling tones equals pronunciation. at least i don't care about that semantic distinction at all and made sure to clarify that here:
>>20827565

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827705

you compared accent and pitch accent, so you opened yourself up to this.

there arent millions of ways to fuck up pitch accent in the same way you can butcher general pronunciation. if japanese are used to hearing various pitch accents thru regional influences then it's not like someone can come in and throw them off with some random ass shit in the same way a chinese ESL might fuck up and prevent someone who is used to regional dialects from understanding.

[Anonymous No.]

Hello,
Please be mindful of the fact that this thread is about pursuing a greater understanding of the Japanese language in an effort to enjoy their culture and media.
As such, subjects such as "how to write Japanese better," "how to imitate Japanese accents better," and "how to sneak in and out of the bathroom without anyone noticing your lunchbox" are off-topic and would be better discussed on /int/, where users are more interested in pursuing social interaction with people in Japan, in Japanese.
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827728
>then it's not like someone can come in and throw them off with some random ass shit
why would knowing a few variations in pitch within their country render all variations in pitch everywhere comprehensible? it just doesn't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827732
lOL nICe LArp yOU fUCkInG baSEmEnT DwLLiNG FaGg0t

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827732
Get lost. This is the Daily **** Thread where anything he's discussed is fair game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827732
senpai...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB-DRWu1LpA

Sorry I just couldn't resist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827733

because we're talking about minor variations in pitch here that are actually common mistakes for gaijin, like going up when it should have been down. not switching high and low every syllable. even the ones in the video linked above when people fuck up and it isn't even a regional variation it's still so obvious to the person listening that they can make a joke about it.

most people who are shit at pitch just go completely monotone half the time and even that's a normal regional dialect

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827546
Any way to play mkv files on it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827707
i mean u were never talking to me on this issue until right now but u should prolly explain the difference clearly and concisely how its not pronunciation imo

[Anonymous No.]

Pitch accent is a part of pronunciation. However, in nihongo it's a fairly minor part, and you can get by with just an even intonation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827737
You had better not ever make such a shitty fucking post again.

>>20827742
On thin fucking ice.

[Anonymous No.]

started using hellotalk, whats your experience of it djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827784
hitorigoto the post lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827784
I'm just curious so please don't get mad at this question. What is it like to do it (for free)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827784
t. expelled student from hiro's janny school

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827784
Dude I'm sorry I won't do it again.

[Anonymous No.]

A reminder that without pitch accent you'll sound like a comedian doing 棒読み and every time you're talking people will be waiting for the tsukkomi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdC_Cu9X4wc

[Anonymous No.]

friendly reminder the native vetter said that dogen's pitch accent was so good he forgot he was speaking with a foreigner for a moment during their video call

[Anonymous No.]

no-one cares tho thats the point. its not gonna affect yours or dogens life if someone thinks hes japanese for half a second while their back is turned

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827830
Superior Japanese honor prevents them from criticizing your language skill. They will tell you that your Japanese is great even if you sound like a complete beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

anyone who says that when "vetting" a foreigner is full of shit tho its literally the overbearing japanese nature to say that listen to the vid where dogen and that dude talk for urself its easy to tell

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827830
You know that Japanese people will always say that you're Japanese is good or perfect even though it shit right? Of course someone as dense as you can't get that.

[Anonymous No.]

japs says shit like "wow you're more japanese than me" if you eat natto. theyre not gonna let you know the real deal (unless its my gf she doesnt hold back on nasty gaijins)

[Anonymous No.]

if u want a quality vet from a nihonjim go get us 1 of the local boys from 2ch or i guess 5ch ? fuckin whatever channel suck my dick bitches

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827849
"we can never know for sure, therefore all evidence is worthless!" you can fool some dopey redditor with this low IQ nonsense bar-raising but not me buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqMIDMtFcVM

peopple will just think you're kawaii if you speak w/ no tone

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827860
Seething dekinai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827808
Damn did i really become an authority in this dude's head just by telling someone to stfu lol

>>20827820
I'll forgive you this time. Just know that every time i fill out a captcha to remove a pic of a car the anon inside it disappears too

[Anonymous No.]

>captcha

truly doing it for free

wheres ur 4chan pass idiot u shoudl get it now cuz pretty soon u wont be able to post without it

counting the days till all u scrubs cant post anymore and i can finally have every single post in these threads be mine

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827869
Did you really take that serious? Holy fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827863
Only a nihongo dekiru would have saved this link.

[Anonymous No.]

>muh japanese said my japanese is good
>>>/int/101425557
good one

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827892

lmaoooo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827892
赤丸薬されたポスト

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827892
If this is not proof then I don't know what is. But of course the redditor will disagree.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOnWeIrFyHM

[Anonymous No.]

Someone needs to make a script for Tyrone for ****-sensei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827892
>Marshal Akainu is a reddish pill which is earthed.
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827881
The only thing being taken seriously here is you seriously taking this dick, bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828000
*dusts this thing off* u guys can fix this up

haha hey matt here you know whats really cringe i mean besides my neckbeard receding hairline bedroom with manga and cartoons plastered all over it piss jug the fact i went to japan to live the high school dream only to eat toilet meshi and do flashcards instead my authoritative tone about things i have no idea about my wikipedia math all the material i parrot and try to pass off as my own my racist tendencies my blog from like 8 years ago where i said i wanted a japanese girlfriend that muramasa vid lmao that time i said "itchaban tsuyoee gaijeem ni nawitai" that time i said smugly that talking japanese for guyjims is just too cringe for me that time toilet head came over and i bottomed for him that time i tried to talk shit about jorge the japones from cero guy who was kindly patient with my autism that time i shit all over some kid irl about how hes learning japanese wrong and im the best and then talked about it on the internet and last but not least that time i realized i dont even like anything from japan and have no use for a language i dedicated my entire seisyun to and defined my existence by how great i was at learning it (in my mind) ?

this https://streamable.com/be017

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828007

wait is that matt speaking

[Anonymous No.]

does he really regret learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828036

i think he thinks he should have invested his time into something else, probably just says shit like that to make himself seem aloof from all the lowly peasants who like japanese culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828004
Lol being this triggered. KYS you fucking dyke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828007
Wait is that really matt speaking in that video?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828007
that's the most legendary fucking poker face of all time, i have to say

>>20828036
he regrets japanese because he spent 10 years rabidly dedicating himself to it yet still can't read eroge

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828031
>>20828058
i think that's nukemarine

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828069
Regret? Are you fucking kidding me he gets 2514 a month from Patreon and this is probably gonna increase to 5000 within a few years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828080
he probably doesn't regret that aspect of it but that's not really what we're talking about here you know

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827420
>knows his embed links will be broken and adds timestamps
>not smart enough to look at posts without broken embed links and spot the difference

[Anonymous No.]

btw i literally pasted that entire post including streamable link from archive so i wasnt trying to misconstrue matt as nukemarine but thats nukemarine also i wanna say welcome to all the resolutioners still here

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827599
you werent supposed to change display language just system locale aka language for non-unicode programs
>>20827605
youll switch if you go hard in the eroge but until you run into trouble locale emulation is prob better

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827599
enjoy the *snorts* monolingual transition

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828080
if he had studied CS instead of japanese back then he'd be making hella dolla instead of having to pissbottle his way through uni while sucking off autists on the net for patreon bux

[Anonymous No.]

thats it im making a patreon

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828165
You keep fucking saying that. And yet, you don't have the balls to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828129
do i look like a fucking nerd to you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828175
>>not smart enough
no ur safe bud

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828171
why does it take balls i just would rather play hentai games than make a gay front page for my pay 2 join cult

[Anonymous No.]

plus why would i even use patreon and give them a cut of my money i want 100% of the money

[Anonymous No.]

if you want 100% you need to do cash deals

[Anonymous No.]

What's the minimum IQ needed to learn Japanese as a second language?

[Anonymous No.]

the language itself pretty low but you can really screw yourself with low iq optimizations and epic flash card strats and never have a shot

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck

[Anonymous No.]

Why is 違 in paired with literally everything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828311
Come back when you haven't touched your deck of 15k for a year.

[Anonymous No.]

fuck does とは fucking mean?

[Anonymous No.]

opinpin kattakunattekitanda-

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828363
ちはやのほんみょう

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828363
Indicates that you are going to explain the phrase that comes before it.

[Anonymous No.]

とはとはなんですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828372
that's what it's supposed to mean but 90% of the time i encounter it in the wild it makes no sense in my head to think of it that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828378
read wikipedia

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828378
You can also think of it as rephrasing something.
Show an example where it makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.]

i've been experiencing this weird phenomenon the past several weeks where i'm actually starting to remember some words i see while reading. were readtards right all along?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828397
No, enjoying something and having fun while doing it is clearly the worst way. You should make yourself suffer with textbooks so that you get to hate studying the language, that way your brain will become far more engaged and will help your concentration.

[Anonymous No.]

why did matt have such a bad time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828400
for the first few months reading was very difficult, and learning words from it was virtually impossible. anki was the much better choice for me. but as i learn more words and comprehend more of what i'm reading, the easier it is for me to remember words while reading. so readtards might have the right idea but they should definitely keep their propaganda away from first-monthers.

[Anonymous No.]

optimal is when you spend as much time in anki as it takes for you personally to reach the point where you dont want to read anything when you finish your reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828407
Is there anyone saying that you should jump into reading with zero experience?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828414
jamal and his goons

[Anonymous No.]

i literally say dont even think about reading till u watched 10000 hours of eng subbed anime ??

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828421
sorry i meant just your goons

[Anonymous No.]

>i
who the fuck are you

[Anonymous No.]

err excuse me わたしは

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828424
sorry meant sorry meant just your goons

[Anonymous No.]

just call me oresama you plebs

[Anonymous No.]

sorry much like speaking japanese to gaijins as a gaijin oresama is just too cringe for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828417
>>20828423
>>20828428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZVC2FLb_hA#t=11

[Anonymous No.]

I've got the verb clauses Tae Kim page open. If I come across one of those suckers I'm gonna fucking SLAY them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828196
*pays you to be my friend*

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828459
ill be ur actual friend tho i wont pretend i dont know u after the sessions over like khatz did to this guy

https://streamable.com/hlr5f

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828427
あんたは？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828469
あんただ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828473
我は？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828475
誰だ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828417
i used to say learn 500 words or somethin but i got tired of typin it u know how it be
i still say watch some dolly and anime

[Anonymous No.]

誰が…誰がお前の…！
お前らの言う通りになんか!

[Anonymous No.]

its honestly real fucked up hed say it was jamal and the boys when way back when i was the 1 shitting on the scrub uppercasers for tellin ppl to read when they dont know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828468
nothin real about it if you still gotta pay its just a better deal
if its for free youre a real dude but if its a lifetime subscription youre just cheap you know what im sayin

[Anonymous No.]

実は我は。。。
ゲイ。。。である

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828500
well its been said i do it for free lol

[Anonymous No.]

Should I have started off my Anki career with the VN core deck? i'm like 550 cards into the Core 2k/6k deck and was just wondering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828551
Instead of worrying about your "Anki career" you should be thinking of retirement.

[Anonymous No.]

だから
僕は僕らしく
そして
貴様は貴様らしくって

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828551
meh don't worry about it. though an anon uploaded a version of core in the last thread with a lot of the (relatively) worthless business words suspended so maybe take a glance at that deck and suspend those words. or not. whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828561
this desu

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if I'm the only one here who's actually already fluent at the language but keeps posting misinformation to make people quit so that knowing Japanese doesn't become too mainstream.
恨むな。 形勢逆転だったらきっとお前らも同じだろ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828561
Surely 550 terms isn't enough to begin ingesting content?

>>20828573
Thanks anon I'll check it out.

[Anonymous No.]

okay just finished my second day of anki time to start reading

[Anonymous No.]

whats his end game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828592
you're probably the guy from the other day who's been at it for 3.5 years and confessed he was still bad, prolly the "just read" memer too

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828378
spoiler you're right and all your grammar resources are wrong

[Anonymous No.]

壱　弐　参　四

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828811
一二三亖
whats the issue just learn nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828551
It doesn't matter what you do, as long as you keep going and maximize your time with the language. Whatever you expose yourself to you'll get better at. It's gong to take a few years regardless. Nihongo is a life choice. You're starting over from scratch in another system.

[Anonymous No.]

when people think of stacked relative clauses they think of
[ ] legalese
[ ] hard literature
[ ] technical documentation
[x] porn ideas

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828883
Makes sense. Honestly I'll be happy even if all I can do is read shitty doujin in 6-8 months.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's go to eat together.
simple:
食べるか
advanced:
一緒に食べに行きましょう

The lovers were walking arm in arm.
simple:
恋人は一緒に歩いた
advanced:
恋人たちはお互いに腕を組んで歩いていた

My headache is gone.
simple:
頭痛じゃない
advanced:
頭はもう痛くないです

I can't solve this problem.
simple:
出来ないです
advanced:
この問題は僕の手に負えない

Do you really believe in ghosts?
simple:
鬼が怖くないですか
advanced:
君は本当に幽霊がいると思うのか

[Anonymous No.]

Let's go to eat together.
simple:
Let's eat.
advanced:
Want to go grab something to eat?

The lovers were walking arm in arm.
simple:
They're waking together.
advanced:
The lovers walked with their arms hooked together.

My headache is gone.
simple:
I feel fine.
advanced:
My headache's gone.

I can't solve this problem.
simple:
I can't do this,
advanced:
This problem is too much for me.

Do you really believe in ghosts?
simple:
Are you not afraid of ghosts?
advanced:
Do you really think ghosts exist?

[Anonymous No.]

Cool
Now can you tell me how do I ask a JC to step on me?

[Anonymous No.]

踏まれさせてください
踏まれてあげてください

[Anonymous No.]

>>20829115
円光おｋ？

[Anonymous No.]

お おい、嬢ちゃん！
ブヒ ブヒヒヒ
踏んでくれよー
頼むよおおおºー！

[Anonymous No.]

Please step on me.
Please do step over me.
Is dating with compensation OK?
H Hey, young lady!
Step on me-
I'm begging youuuu-!

[Anonymous No.]

Wow, that's all you need.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20829227
>Please do step over me.
できない

[Anonymous No.]

なんでさー！

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnJMBcQFNME&list=RDTnJMBcQFNME&start_radio=1

this dude was, if this song is to be believed, was raised in mexico yet he's in japan dropping bars. what's YOUR excuse?

[Anonymous No.]

im not a japanese eminem

[Anonymous No.]

>>20829304
>what's YOUR excuse?
I came to djt

[Anonymous No.]

I started reading an easy manga like ふらいんぐういっち and I'm having issues comprehending several kanji since I actually didn't learn a lot. Should I stop my reading and go back to my memorization sessions or can I just keep going pretending to understand them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826929
The grammar itself is much harder. Russian is harder. Overall getting to the point of native like fluency is probably the same amount of time.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm reading GJ Bu right now. Can someone explain to me what this sentence mean?
「置いておいたわけですね」

[Anonymous No.]

>>20829460
look up ～ておく

[Anonymous No.]

僕は本当クレージー

[Anonymous No.]

this has probably been asked a billion times but i apologize since its my first time on /jp/ but where can i read raw/untranslated light novels (for free obv)

[Anonymous No.]

There are dozens places but I know one: you could start your search on nyaa.si. It helps to put in the search query in nihongo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828007
>>20828031
>>20828058
matt is a faggot

[Anonymous No.]

m*tt-pill me on texthookers. What makes them so horrible?

[Anonymous No.]

reminder to make your own decks instead of using premades

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827491
this

Matt's English pronunciation is shit (if you talk about mastering the meme accent). But you can understand him so it's fine. The same with Japanese. If the person in front of you can understand you, you are fine.

I have the feeling the only reason he tries to meme the bullshit accent is because he has wasted too much time with Japanese. And with wasted I mean instead of studying or using textbooks, he created his own useless Anki cards and did retard AJATT (which is worthless if you really want to master the language). If you would have just stfu and learn the fucking textbooks and then would have combined reading hard stuff with Anki, he wouldn't have to blame the meme accent for his bad Japanese.

In the beginning using textbooks seems like a boring time waste, but if you really used textbooks from the beginning and really learned what is inside (vocabulary with anki and grammar with repetition), you don't have to realize after 5 years that your Japanese is a mess and because of the missing textbooks you can't just remember everything easily by looking into your textbooks again for a few minutes.

The only good thing he did was learning Kanji with Heisig. After this he went full retard. I bet he will blame his "pitch accent" in 10 years for being bad at Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

猫

[Anonymous No.]

>>20829864
こねこ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20828468
what video is this from?

[Anonymous No.]

is it sad that one of my goals is to become matt and khatzumoto's friend

[Anonymous No.]

Using J->E for basic vocabulary and J->J for learning the meaning of idioms and phrases seems to work pretty well desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830248
あのん

にほんごのじしょ

３つあるんだよ

がんばって

[Anonymous No.]

What is the minimum IQ required to fully comprehend the language of the rising sun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830280
(Your IQ) + 5

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830280
９０

[Anonymous No.]

かんわじてんって

えいごでなんていうんだろ

こくごじてんはＪＪライブラリーでつうじる？

[Anonymous No.]

>おっぱいが尖る
There are people itt that think this means to become pointy.

[Anonymous No.]

断捨離 (山下英子)

anybody have this as azw3?

cant find it anywhere

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827159
What's hard about fureraba?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20829430
>The grammar itself is much harder.
in terms of comprehension or in terms of output? because one example of "unintuitive grammar" for english natives that other guy gave was gendered nouns in german which is actually trivial for comprehension for an english native.

i could almost buy the grammar being harder for output. although not really, because it'll still be more intuitive than a distantly related language with completely different sentence structure. but there's no way comprehension is as difficult. inconsistent/more rules != more difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>anki defaults to 200 max reviews per day
I feel like I'm being called a brainlet

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830596
That's 200 more than what you should be doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830596
if you reach 200 reviews a day youre probably doing too much anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830519

lol my gf is always doing danshari it's a cult be careful

[Anonymous No.]

i just realized i shouldn't be learning this language since translation will be good enough in 100 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20827089
tunnelbear has a browser extension that gives you a decent amount of MBs for free and has servers in japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830223
They dont want to be your friend. I watched matts video on how much he talked to khatz and basically, khatzumoto just wants money. he holds consultation sessions where he will charge you $200 just to message him weekly on skype. also he lives in canada and cut off all his previous friends, so he wont be yours. matt on the other hand has irl friends, maintains a growing youtube channel with discord, so he has many other people trying to become his friend, and hes stated that hes wary of this. sorry but it wont happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830692
machine translation is five years away at most, we're all wasting our time

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got any suggestions for Japanese content I can put on my MP3 player so I can get some learning done on the go?

Two ideas I had were podcasts and drama CDs, but I've never really bothered with either of these things in the past so I don't know of any good ones.

I've got a lot of Japanese music I could put on there (and probably will), but I don't think music is very helpful for learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830742

machines will never figure out high context languages

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830770
that's what they said about go

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830770
human consciousness is just if->then statements so artificial general intelligence will replicate it and be able to translate context-specific languages. it'll just take another 100-200 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830742
>>20830692
why does this matter? do you not have any motivation or think you would not feel any pride become fully fluent in a language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830744
rip the audio off anime you've already watched and relisten to it
that's what i've been doing during my ~40 min walks from and back to work for some time, it's pretty fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830782
you seem knowledgeable on this topic 笑う

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830791
i started meditating like matt said and i realized that feeling pride over learning a language is silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830868
sounds like youre ahead of him already
although if hes been learning nippongese for so many years and he has read so little it wouldnt be surprising to hear that hes also slacking in his newfound love of meditation

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830818
i'm not claiming to be, I just go by what experts say

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830636
i want to be in this cult help me

[Anonymous No.]

u dont need shit like danshari if u just live right in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

Is Gundam hard? I'm hesitant to jump into anything sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.]

彼女のこと、なんとかしてあげられないかな？
聞いた以上は何とかする
probably a stupid question but does the second part mean, "now that I've been asked?"

[Anonymous No.]

prolly depends which 1 usually the better they are the more difficult they are so u should start with gundam seed : )

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830917
Matt himself said it's thanks in part to meditation that he realized he shouldn't feel smug over his Japanese ability and that your ability to speak Japanese doesn't define who you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831091
imagine ever actually having to wrestle with this at any point ever lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831098
Most people have this sort of problem.

[Anonymous No.]

i'm not good at japanese but i already feel superior to unjapanese speaking retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831100
yah but i meant with japanese i realize ppl do this with even more retarded things but just japanese language here lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831104
yah ithe feeling of knowing the words in anime is just so invigorating especially when u know ur disgusting gaijin friends do not and u can show off hella hard and help them appreciate the japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831091
he said it but he still acts pretty smug half of the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831113
that's not the point. have you ever seen the dekinai memes? i already feel like i can do it. that's what motivates me
thank you dekinai-dono

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831120
>i already feel like i can do it
youre prob gonna stop feelin like that at least twice but gambare tomodati

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831120
sorry im not familiar with these

[Anonymous No.]

matt said using english to assist in you learning japanese is pointless but sometimes i use google translate on clauses and then work back through the sentence to make sure i understand it. should i stop doing that and just accept that i don't get something and move on? because i feel like i learn from it.

like i forget how a grammar point is functioning but after using google translate i remember "oh yea that's what that does here and it makes sense that it's interacting with this in that way."

[Anonymous No.]

>billion fucking synonyms for circumstance/matter/situation
Fuck this dumbass language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831188
just ask yourself if what this tard is doing is helpful >>20831202

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831188
If it helps you understand japanese I don't see what the problem is.

[Anonymous No.]

>month 4 and I still sometimes confuse 使う and 作る
never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831294
>つかる

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831083

something like that, or "since you asked" kind of thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831294
delete them from your anki deck(s)

if ever you encounter this mixing-up issue, immediately delete the offending words from any decks you have and stop SRSing them

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831188

google translate is absolute garbage and will not help you understand anything. it's not correct 90% of the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831120

whats a dekinai meme

[Anonymous No.]

ついに日本語の名人になった

[Anonymous No.]

it's funny because it's needlessly complicated

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831310
seconding this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20825210
It means "Exactly that"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20830524
sanity whiplash

[Anonymous No.]

>>20825944
what's that good for

[Anonymous No.]

how do i say "im gay" in japanese ?

[Anonymous No.]

私は同性愛者です

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831403
アイアムゲイだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20825084
big based

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831310
agree and to add
dont bang your head against the wall on shit that isnt sticking
its counterproductive and negatively effects everything else youre trying to practice
just leave it to your eroges to fix it for you and remember not to overdose on anki

[Anonymous No.]

man i miss the summer DJT when people were arguing every day about english and other stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

phew.

took 3 and half hours but i finally finished my anki for the day. as long as i keep up this pace within 2-3 years i'll probably have memorized every kanji in rtk 1 + 3, plus all of the vocab from core 10k + most of the jlpt n1 vocab.

at that point i might finally start reading some native japanese stuff like nhk easy or whatever, but i'm not sure since i don't wanna rush into things until i'm comfortable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831756
>as long as i keep up this pace within 2-3 years i'll probably have memorized every kanji in rtk 1 + 3, plus all of the vocab from core 10k + most of the jlpt n1 vocab.
and you still won't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

isn't it better to just go read stuff and try to pick up vocab from sentences

it feels like most of the words i've learned from core don't get stored in a useful way in my memory

[Anonymous No.]

I don't even see most words from core in the stuff I read. Think I'll just make a mining deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831789
>reading japanese without knowing japanese
this is why r/learnjapanese is so much better than this place. they understand that you need to study something before attemping it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831802
and they have helpful and fluent users like this too
reddit.com/user/rarepotato65/
nothing like djt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831802
Please. Those plebs suggest stopping core at only 2k words, or even as low as 600 sometimes, instead of finishing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831756

this is a really good plan, good luck m8

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831802
i'm sure they stupid things with confidence and that's enough to convince you
redditurds still think you should study grammar books even though no one ever fucking learned any language the way schools do it. none of them are good at japanese but they know all the particles and verb conjugation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831756

this is what i did. finally finished core10k and rtk1+3 after several years and just started reading dragonball. it's quite tough so far but making good progress at one chapter a day

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831825
fluent speakers like khatz and matt read grammar books. they used input to get them the rest of the way there, but those grammar books were an important step.

[Anonymous No.]

All the ESL nerds studied grammar books too, so why do you think you can skip them with japanese? Mine grammar from tae kim and you're going to make it for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831840
how can you even mine grammar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831833
they didn't even study how to make te-form. they just parsed through to "know what it is"

>>20831840
most ESL nerds have failed to learn good english

[Anonymous No.]

>すんすん……貧乏くせー臭いが充満してる、うええええ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831849
You can make sentences with a missing particle or a missing conjugation.

>>20831853
Probably the ones who skipped grammar books.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw arguing with dekinais about rtk on learnjapanese

i think i've reached a new low of self-loathing and self-destructive behavior lads.
save me from the nothing i've become

[Anonymous No.]

i came up with a new idea
trilingual sentence cards
on the front is a sentence in two different languages you are trying to learn which will reinforce each other and give context for your shortcomings in one language
on the back are definitions in your native lang
should i make a patreon

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>>20831840
very true. almost any ESL posting on 4chan has likely taken english lessons. input made them good but those lessons were a stepping stone.

[Anonymous No.]

>should i make a patreon
Better yet, make two.

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>>20831868
stop glorifying ESL shitters many of whom fail to make natural sentences in typing let alone whatever they may sound like in real life

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>>20831849

very easily

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>>20831877
i'm only glorifying those who are able to communicate similarly to natives on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

all this grammar study talk has me wonderin
mina genki ?

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>>20831878
>>20831861
I see there are some anki decks of TK's grammar. Should I use them?

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>>20831864
https://www.reddit.com/user/hjstudies
So THESE are the faggots who browse this thread and 4chan in general these days... duh
Keep fighting the good fight my dude

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>>20831877
I hope you misused whom on purpose otherwise you look real stupid right now.

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>>20831893

sure why not, it'll just help you memorise the grammar better

inb4 "you cant memorise grammar u can only understand it" lol

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>>20831895
it's sad that i recognize that username. a huge faggot retard. i dont even bother engaging with him

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>>20831893
I would suggest making your owns sentence cards from sentences you find in stuff you read. Who knows what these tards put in.

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>>20831896
mate............

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>>20831900
Yeah it's really sad that you're able to recognize any reddit user's username really let alone engaging with any

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>>20831897
>inb4 "you cant memorise grammar u can only understand it" lol
that would be a dumb statement
you can absolutely memorize grammar
but thats not what you want to do

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>>20831907

it's helpful to memorise at first because it saves you have to look shit up all the time. there's nothing wrong w/ having a basic understanding of something in your head that will eventually be replaced by a more nuanced understanding given time. you're not gonna fuck up the process, just make it easier.

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>>20831896

lol

ESLs please leave this thread

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>>20831915
I have a better idea yet, dekinais leave this thread

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>>20831925

this thread wouldnt exist without dekinais

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>>20831925
off you go

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831925
i can't leave this thread
i tried but i dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

>>20826696
>>20826748
>>20829375
>>20831832
Manga isn't reading.
>>20827009
Get a chart with more than 1 good game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831942
name 3 good VNs

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831935
Hence my proposition
At this point it's probably for the best to simply abandon ship

>>20831940
やればできるはず
もっと頑張って

[Anonymous No.]

>billion fucking synonyms for each word.
How can they even comprehend themself while they're speaking?

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>>20831945
you're least favorite VN
you're second least favorite VN
my favorite VN

>>20831966
Surely you meant "homophones"

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>>20831979
>homophones
yeah, esl here

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>>20831966
In what way can they even understand each other as they are talking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831966
JAPANESE HARD

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>>20831945
時計仕掛けのレイライン－黄昏時の境界線－
時計仕掛けのレイライン－残影の夜が明ける時－
時計仕掛けのレイライン－朝霧に散る花－
next question

[Anonymous No.]

does hating homophones make you a homophobe

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832000
A phobia has nothing to do with hate.

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>>20832000
this is the DJT motto now

[Anonymous No.]

you will be much happier if you accept the existence of homophones and coexist peacefully with them

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>>20831993
i know from djt that these vns will irreparably destroy a beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

no, I am catholic

[Anonymous No.]

how did the word phobe get applied to dozens of made up concepts that have nothing to do with fear

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832009
? not gonna make it ?

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>>20832014
demonization and virtue signalling in an attempt to push the overton window on social policy

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>>20831966
>>20831983
Grammar patterns and context
But yes it's stupid

[Anonymous No.]

What a FUCKING LUCKY FAGGOT

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>>20832009
still confused by this post
theyre bad but theyre fuckin easy if you are at an advanced enough level to understand yotuba

[Anonymous No.]

Does it help watching 10K hours of anime on animelon with both japanese and english subtitles?

[Anonymous No.]

Is 食べさせられられる a proper conjugation?

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>>20832042
たべさせられられられられさせさせさせさせさせる
no

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>>20831993
The first one isn't good.

[Anonymous No.]

are there any vns that are both good and dont require you to have a passive vocab of 40k words like astelight or muramasa

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832067
are you saying the other two are
>>20832071
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832071
素晴らしき日々

>>20832073
Well, duh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832071
Baldr Sky and Utawarerumono are both fantastic and aren't too hard.

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>tfw for some reason people just never want to recommend VNs
>>20832080
ty

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>>20832079
are you trying to bait me into finishing it and reading the others

[Anonymous No.]

i'm too fucking retarded to find anything but porn to read

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>>20832088
Do it. Trust me, dude. Ley Line 2 and 3 are objectively epic and ftw, especially 2.

[Anonymous No.]

eustia is alright

[Anonymous No.]

do people play vns just to jack off or what

i dont get it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832096
you play eroge to be compelled the jacking off is just like a checkpoint and a little reward for yourself for making it that far

[Anonymous No.]

>>20831832
Nice chart. I still haven't seen a single djter owning 6k+ kanji. The first to get to this level will be the king of kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

u play eroge to be with some1 as opposed to be alone

u guys really are normies

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832131
i liked not having this particular introspection

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832131
So what if I'm a normie? I like big tiddies.

[Anonymous No.]

should i learn japanese with Misa?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832131
I play eroge to watch cute girls fall in love with fat bold old men

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832096
I thought most people just skip the porn since it's boring.

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>>20832173
nah you should learn japanese with jamal

http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/all-japanese-all-the-time-ajatt-how-to-learn-japanese-on-your-own-having-fun-and-to-fluency/

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>>20832179
did you mean to say "skip to the porn"?

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>>20832179
a lot of it is boring but if i skipped it how would i ever learn all of those important words

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>>20832187
No. Foreplay can be still fun to read, but I usually start hitting CTRL as soon as the guy whips out his dick. There is ZERO story or character development past that point, it's just repetitive and cringeworthy description of sex with the exact same lines every time.

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>>20832182
Holy fuck. It seems step one is to not read all this bullshit and just eat some manga.

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>>20832182
u cant learn japanese with me as i am only available itt and if ur itt ur not learning japanese

or are u

slowly but surely・・

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832202
this guy will learn japanese

>>20832179
this guy won't

[Anonymous No.]

is Grammar Lessons for Absolute Beginners of Misa more effective than that Tae Kim's boring guide?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832222
Humn, if you say so.

[Anonymous No.]

Probably worst /djt/ edition in history.

[Anonymous No.]

THREE scripts

[Anonymous No.]

It's not worse than the previous one.

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>>20832318

definitely is

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>>20832222
quads of 真実

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College student here. Why do none of my peers know any kanji? Are they retarded? Some of them even say shit like “I’m not gonna bother studying kanji”
wtf? This is next level retarded

[Anonymous No.]

自らでいられる場所。

Is that みずから or おのずから?

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>>20832342
(You)

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maybe their goal has nothing to do with reading japanese? i mean u can fully communicate in romazi and its fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>20832347

みずから

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>>20832342
ask them