/tmg/ - Type-Moon General

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This thread is for discussion of any and all works by Type-MOON, or Kinoko Nasu.

>TYPE-MOON's official site
http://www.typemoon.com/
>TYPE-MOON's official site before going commercial
http://www.typemoon.org/

Download Links

>Kara no Kyoukai - The Garden of Sinners
Novels
https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/
Movies
https://nyaa.si/view/264295

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime
https://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lY
Tsukihime PLUS-DISC
https://nyaa.si/view/453758
Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2502321
Tsukihime manga (Arcueid route)
https://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ

>Melty Blood
Melty Blood PC games
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
Melty Blood manga (divided into two parts, the first part, spanning volumes 1-6, follows the original Melty Blood storyline. "2nd ACT" began spans volumes 7-9)
https://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwA
Melty Blood - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate/stay night
Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2386805
Fate/hollow ataraxia
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
Fate/Zero
https://readfag.wordpress.com/unedited/fatezero/
Lord El Melloi II Case Files Volume 1
https://www.mediafire.com/file/e310zzwwyhmw0cw/Lord+El+Melloi+II+Case+Files+Volume+1.pdf

>Witch on the Holy Night (Mahou Tsukai No Yoru)
English: https://nyaa.si/view/943509
French: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french/releases

Novels
>Angel Voice, 1999, K.Nasu & T.Takeuchi
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip
>Coral of the Moon
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx
>DDD - Decoration Disorder Disconnection
https://mega.nz/#!8BJQnaBK!kdrZ107A9Th4amk4RJoX81txOcMwR6OmyaULDtlt1no
>Fate/Apocrypha
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/volume-1/pdf-and-epub-version-2/
>Fate/Strange Fake
http://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read
>Fire Girl
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/

Other Links
>Beast's Lair forum - One of the oldest and biggest English TYPE-MOON forum
forums.nrvnqsr.com
>Encyclopedia of Type Moon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ/edit?usp=sharing
>Fate Franchise Loseless Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g
>Fuyuki Rebuild
http://tatari.byethost33.com/
>Melty Bread: Melty Blood (and French Bread) news stuffs
www.meltybread.com/forums/
>Mirror Moon: Type-Moon Translation Projects/Patches
http://mirrormoon.org/
>TMdict: Glossaries from works by Type-Moon
tmdict.com/
>Tsuki-kan: A small Type-Moon site
tsukikan.com/
>Tsukihime doujins from 2008
https://mega.nz/#!fHgSVb5L!EPDHKU2KHLdjW1bM2b0-VV7WzrA9xPqrLnJTu0AkwyY
>Type Moon Mega Folder
https://mega.nz/#F!IEgnySDK!wvEo43UGmHFEKC1JBVykGw
>TYPE-MOON Music Collection
https://nyaa.si/view/1096952
>TYPE-MOON PC Games
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

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https://old.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/aga871/faterequiem_brief_description_of_all_characters/
https://old.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/ahmw3y/faterequiem_plot_details_prologue_chapter_major/
https://ff.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/ai94k4/extended_synopsis_for_characters_and_the_lore/

Requiem summaries and stuff.

Say hello to your HGW winners.

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Ciel's abs!

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>>20687596
Providing fluid to vampires!

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>>20687700
> tfw (you) will never be held captive at a human farm
> a busty vampire will never teach her loli apprentice how to properly milk a male by demonstrating it on (you)

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>>20686242
>El Cid jobs
Why is this allowed?
What did Spain ever do to TM?

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>>20688221
He'll probably come back at some point.
This is El Cid we're talking about.

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>literally all discussion is
>hurr durr since they died in requiem that can be in GO now
This is downright exploitation.

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>>20688325
>No illustrations
He doesn't matter anyways.

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>>20686242
>She wields a Conceptual Weapon of "Binding" called the Holy Nail (サクリ・キオディ Sakuri Kiodii), it's a replica of the cross that nailed Jesus (not directly named, simply referred to as "The savior/messiah"). The Holy Nail is generated from the 4 command seals that are grafted on her hands and legs, a pile bunker wielded with bare hands. A portion of her fighting skills are taught to her by Lucius as well, and she's very experienced in fighting, demonstrating a "duo easily going against an army" with ease.

Is TM entering the age of cool grannies?

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>>20688377
The last time anything decent in TM mattered was before GO.

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>>20688377
thumbnail looks like fortune teller

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>>20688687
Yes it is. Both Inorai and Chitose are my favorite character type ;_;

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>>20686181
Ciel farts!

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>>20686242
fuck off redditfag

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https://comic-walker.com/contents/detail/KDCW_AM05200729010000_68/

would be nice to get the digital versions of these, the ones currently uploaded are in god awful scan quality

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>>20690311
Chad in the back

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5 humans who could fight against servants in Modern Era (said by Nasu - before FGO)
>Arcuied Brunestud (she isn't even human lol)
>Ciel and Assembly of the Eighth Sacrament
>Barthomeloi Lorelei
>Zelretch
>Callebaut

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>>20690402
>Case Files character
>Before FGO

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Crimson Moon = Moon Presence desu ka

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>>20690402
There is obviously more than that.

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>>20690934
私

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>>20690402
Lorelei is pretty cute no lie.

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>>20690942
3D beats 2D by default.
You cannot beat a dimensional jump.

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>>20691011
>3D beats 2D by default.
This seems contrary to the dogma of the board.

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>>20691011
Dreams make for an even playing field.

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I've been pretty out lately, can someone redpill me on what is Fate/Requiem?

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>>20691507
New LN spin-off by Meteo Hoshizora, in a new AU where everyone has a Servant.

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>>20691507
Written by Meteo, a new Fate spinoff where Lancer became the winner of HGW lol

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>finally find the time to watch the new heaven's feel movie
>gil's death scene is offscreened
I bet that'll upset some gilfags. As someone who was not really pleased with the first movie, I felt the second one was a major improvement in pretty much all aspects. I still wish they would make these 3 hours long instead of 2, but I guess no one has the attention span for that anymore.

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>>20691507
It's Mega Fate X.

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To the woman that was cosplaying as Nero at Albuquerque Comic Con you were very pretty and I like your cosplay and appreciate getting a photo taken with you.

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Do you have any idea for TD RPG adventure in nasuverse without grail would be best? I want to run a campaign for 3-4 people.

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>>20695527
Anon, they totally show him sinking into the ground in the corner when the shadow gets bigger.
I definitely agree that it's a big improvement.

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>>20696066
Post photo of her at least, anon. No way she comes to creepy chinese image boards, unless you talked about /tmg/ with her.

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>>20689636
Sorry buddy, if redditors are the only ones bothering with making summaries or translating content, then I'll keep posting their stuff because I wanna talk about the new content here. I don't particularly like it much either but it is what it is and beggars can be choosers. If you don't like it how about you do something productive for all us rather than just whine, hmm? That way there wouldn't be a need for such links to be posted. Deal?

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>>20695527
>I bet that'll upset some gilfags.
Eh, it was kind of similar to the way he dies in the original, which was pretty underwhelming after being the big bad for the past two routes.

Well, honestly, outside of the initial route Gil really turns up the King of Jobbers into overdrive and never really feels threatening tbqh.

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Why does the Church have the Black Barrel (not the replica). It was created by Atlas right ?

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>>20698917
Yeah, but it's unknown how the Church got their hands on it as far as I know. Even stranger since Gun God found it in the ruins of Atlas, so it must've gotten back to them at some point.

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>>20698931
Thanks. Maybe the Church has the contract of Atlas ?

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>>20699347
As an institution Atlas is dedicated to the manufacture of weapons and tools to prevent the end of humanity.
There's a few steps missing in terms of concrete fact but it seems fair to assume at some point someone saw something that would require Black Barrel, and thus made it and gave it to the Church in preparation for that eventuality.

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Extra was kusoge that was carried only thanks to the god-tier soundtrack that carried the atmosphere almost on it's own
You can't prove me wrong

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>>20701840
it is kusoge but i disagree about the soundtrack
it was ok i guess, wouldnt call it godtier

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>>20701315
But the Black Barrel was sealed before right ? Since it can destroy the world instead of preventing the world from being destroyed

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Watching Apocrypha on a whim, eight episodes in and I gotta ask, have you guys led me astray? This is pretty good.
Don't get me wrong, it's not GREAT, I'm not very invested in anything, and it's down near the bottom of Fate content I've seen...but it's still pretty fun. Necromancer guy and Mordred are a blast, Jeanne getting around in really mundane ways is hilarious and needs to come up more, several of the more minor characters on the Black team are nice for how insubstantial they are, Frank's cute, and most shockingly of all, Astolfo is actually pretty fucking great. Can't get over that last one; expected some trashy meme character, instead steals every scene he's in. What the fuck.

So why have I never heard a positive word about this show around here? Was expecting some crap to riff on, instead got a fairly solid show. Should I be worried about some drop-off point?

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>>20703202
OH MY SIEG

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>>20703202
This is my opinion, but yeah Apo is not as bad as people said. Anyway, you just finished watching ep 8 right ? So maybe your opinion will change a bit after watching other episodes though.
Anyway, Astolfo is the best character in Apo.

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>>20703312
Karna is, and Vlad was until they fucked his shit up.

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>>20703202
Wait until Jack hijacks the plot.
The show becomes drastically worse in the middle up until 21 or so.

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>>20703337
Jack does things to my cock as far as the design goes but just about everything else thoroughly turns me off. Her backstory reads like some edgy teenager wrote it.

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>>20703311
I really don't care about Sieg. He wants to live? Okay cool, good for him, I can relate to that, what else? I don't look forward to him becoming the main character.

>>20703312
No argument here. That energy and optimism are infectious, his non-nonchalant rescue of Seig is easily the best bit so far, and him no-selling sadist lady's seasons is just fantastic.

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>Jack
Fuck.

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>>20703202
It had a few fun characters and good ideas at the start, that's why people were really excited over the first couple of novels for years.
But as it goes on, especially past book 3/the halfway point, it really does throw away all of its good aspects, and gets overtaken by awful ideas. As other anons said, Jack and her plotline are terrible, especially since SF Jack already existed, and Sieg is the cherry on top. I agree that Astolfo is not bad at all though, only his fanbase is obnoxious.

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>>20703644
his fanbase are mostly not aware of his actual character, i've found, and generally just like him because le trap meme

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https://twitter.com/romromeris/status/1088372792788045827

badly animated but very qt Arc

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>>20703416
>I don't look forward to him becoming the main character.
lol

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le secret~

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>>20703202
Mordred's backstory might be pretty dumb but she and her master are easily on the top 3 best master/servant duos
The fact that she almost saved Apo from going to shit at a certain point only makes her even more likeable

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>>20703202
I consider it second after Deen adaptation. For an adaptation of Apo, it's nice. The OST is good but lack a few track .

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>>20704067
Despite how people react to him, there is few servants as well written as Astolfo.
Absolutely all his skills and NP are completely related to his lore. His appearance gimmick is related to his story too though exagerated and his personality fit.
You can say he is too stupid/ gentle, lawful stupid and all, but it fits the cliché of the perfect knight that the paladins are supposed to fill in Fate.

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>>20704530
I wouldn't say he's one of the best written, but he's still above most of the trash FGO has spat out.
I like how despite being a main character, they didn't give him any bullshit super strong abilities. As you said, they fit with the real lore, he's a somewhat mediocre Servant. His most "broken" NP is just a book that can cancel any strong spell thrown at him.

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>>20704493
I still can't believe after all these years that futa incest homo baby making is real.
I wonder who designed Morgan.

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>>20687700
Is girl-cum magically potent?

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>>20703202
It's totally watchable and enjoyable for the good characters. It's just a shame that around 70% in it's all about Sieg and he's the least interesting of the cast.
Shirou, Shakes, Karna, Vlad, Achilles, Chiron, Fran, Semi, Mo and GoLion are all pretty neat and I'm sure I forget some others that are alright, just a shame it's not about them.
The OST is pretty good too, worth a listen without all the sound effects.

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APOCRYPHA HAS THE WORST FUCKING SOUND DIRECTION EVER

WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT COMPRESSED A MILLION TIMES EXPLOSIONS SOUND REMOTELY FINE? FUCK YOU NIGHGER

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>>20706052
It's got like 1 really good track. The composer is talented but didn't do a great job overall.

>>20706106
This is true, I remember the sound sucking out any joy from the fight scenes.

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>>20698917
It does?

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>>20706106
CLANG CLANG

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Is there a place to download a pdf for the 2nd volume of El Melloi Case Files, or at least read it online? I know they're not all translated yet.

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Why wasn't a counter-force guardian summoned during the events of Heavens Feel? I would imagine the birthing of Angry Mayhew as a humanity ending event. Was Shirou acting as one due to Archer's arm put on him?

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Can someone post that image of Caren's flashback from HA about her mother and kirei? can't find it anywhere

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>>20707271
According to Nasu, it hadn't gotten to that stage yet, though whether or not that Counter Force had involved itself could turn into an endless argument.

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>>20707323
There was no image, as far as I remember? You might be thinking of fanart, anon.

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Is Caren ever mentioned in any of the F/SN routes?

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>>20708699
Kirei mentions his daughter in his HF backstory, yes.

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Why is there always so much drama about dead servants? It's not like they're actually alive, and they're gonna get unsummoned at the end of the war anyway even if they win.

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>>20707501
>endless argument
Is it now with FGO showing counter guardians actually deployed for threats including the one Grail, but getting their connection cut off due to Singularities like in Zero event, Guda Guda 3 and Shinjuku (Emiya Alter gets pulled in CCC not by the Counter Force but as Servant for Guda by BB).

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>>20707271
Because "I-It's not gotten that bad yet! Wait a little more! Maybe a few more million deaths and it'll totally justify a call! Honest!". Same retarded reason why King Hassan had to shed his Grand rank to do something about Tiamat because Mommy Alaya didn't give him permission to do anything yet despite Grands purpose is killing Beasts. Alaya is that kid who waits until midnight to the homework they gotta turn in tomorrow and got assigned 1 month ago.

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>>20709853
Lancer, your pub date has arrived

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>>20710224
Sekibanki as a meido!

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>>20709622
>Alaya
Grand Servants are summoned by / from the Root. They are not really connected to Alaya, other than Alaya can ask help maybe.

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>>20703202
Apocrypha has the best fights of all Type Moon anime. That's good enough really.

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How is the video and sound quality of camrip of lost butterfly? Planning to download tonight

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>>20713782
Surprisingly really good for a camrip. Occasionally, some dialogue can be a bit hard to hear. That's probably because it came out of only one speaker off to the side and thus the camera mike didn't pick it up too well. However, it's totally watchable especially if you remember the old days before x264.

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>>20713782
Pretty decent video, sound is what you'd expect from a recording in a theatre.

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>recent HF movie only made 1 billion yen so far
That's honestly really underwhelming.

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>>20714754
I mean, when you consider the entry barrier that is the middle part of a trilogy adapting the third route of an old eroge, it's super impressive. It's amazing that they can have those kind of production values based on the name of the franchise (although not as impressive after Kara no Kyoukai).
I wouldn't be surprised if the GO trash movies/series made more money though, it's just more accessible and popular.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlBbUDWNvcQ
I'm tired of people defending multinational corporations.

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>>20716292
That video is wrong in a couple aspects, but I definitely agree with the overall sentiment.

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>>20716484
Indeed, 1 right does not right 100 wrongs.

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>>20716529
I wonder if she likes Steve Winwood; as I think one of his solo records titles would tickle her fancy?

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I recently saw a really good Nero cosplayer at a con and she was really pretty and a stand-out from most of the other cheap cosplay done by everyone else, seeing her made my day ^^.

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>>20716671
You already said that anon, post pics!

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>>20716688
Different Anon than the other one, sadly.
I couldn't really talk to her or take any pics together because she was constantly being followed by some huge fat guy that was almost twice the size of her, looked like Thomas Mahoney fused with a BBM from an ugly bastard doujin.

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Fate/Extra appreciation post.
Despite the little rough edges, it was a pretty solid game and I still love the hell out of it, I'd really want a translation of CCC or another game with the same style but with more Servant options and a broader combat system.
Tell me anons, did you choose Rin and Rani first?
And if you could choose, would you rather get another traditional VN adaption of something like Apocrypha/Strange Fake or another game in the same style as Extra?

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>>20717460
Rani, she was new and cute. I'd rather get another VN, even if Extra had a nice atmosphere, the gameplay was trash.

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>>20717460
I still get the urge to go replay Extra with Archer sometimes, since I never did his "route".
I picked Rin first of course, I still don't think Rani is a very good or noteworthy character. Rin in Extra at least has an interesting conflict with Leo. Rani's side has way better bosses though (Arc and Lancer).
I just want Nasu to write more VNs, but Extra wasn't too bad of a middle ground that still allowed him to narrate a lot and give you the MC's inner thoughts. If he could make a game like Extra that actually has good gameplay, I might like it.

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>>20717460
An Apocrypha VN would only be valued for the Mordred route.

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>>20717516
B-But...Muh Jyannu...

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>>20717553
She already got her route, it turned to shit in volume 3.

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>>20716292
>all those comments
>"Yeah Fate is a lot worse than it used to be BUT they're branching to a wider audience and I still love it teeeheee :)))"
these people need an icepick in the neck

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>>20717724
They're mostly people who either got into it via GO trash, or are more into the Servant aspect than anything else in TM, to the point where they're totally willing to throw away what made Nasu's storytelling good if it means they get more Servants in a shitty game.
The amount of people who are totally fine with the way things are now because it's "better than nothing" is staggering, it's like they don't see any more potential for what TM could be. FGO reallly needs to die.

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Can we all agree that the best part of FSN/Zero and probably what pulled us in the most was Shirou/Kiritsugu and the deep introspective on morality and the ideals of a modern day hero? Shirou is one of my favorite protags of all time after reading the VN and Kiritsugu is a character that's flawed in a good way, despite all the shit that Zero gets for getting Ufobutchered. I wish the anime didn't portray Shirou as a mindless bumbling idiot and made it so you'd had to have read the VN for context to certain scenes.
Shirou is someone very relatable to me, so I might be a bit biased emotionally because of it.

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>>20717776
I 100% agree that those aspects were what made me appreciate FSN as much more than just another chuuni VN in a cool setting.

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>>20717776
Well, I certainly think that a lot of the interesting parts from SN/Zero are the thematic elements, sure, but by the time I had read SN/Zero I had already read more than a few pieces of literature that tackled similar ideas, so perhaps the impact of it wasn't as big. Especially insofar as Kerry's baggage goes - criticism of utilitarianism is hardly unique. But, sure, I would say that it's a cut above what most protagonists deal with. Especially in Japanese media.

That being said, Shirou is pretty much the exact opposite to me; I don't find him relatable at all, and I was frequently thinking him a moron during my read. I haven't watched the anime - nor do I plan to - so I can't really comment on whether or not his portrayal there was accurate by comparison, but "mindless bumbling idiot" really does feel like how I felt about Shirou in the Fate and UBW routes (less so in the HF route). A few weeks ago, someone said that Nasu had intended to make Shirou far more broken than was his final portrayal, and I think that would have made me appreciate him easier. Shirou very much feels like (to me) an awkward compromise between a generic shounen protagonist and a genuinely interesting protagonist.

I think where Shirou suffers the most for me, though, is the romances. His relationship with both Saber and Rin felt very unnatural to me, as he never had chemistry with either of them and the romance in general felt forced. Only with Sakura did I ever feel like Shirou had something actually going on there as far as the romance went. It really feels like Saber and Rin only had romances because this was a visual novel and the main heroine of each route has to eventually get with the protagonist, right?

Overall I like (early) Fate a lot, and in many of my conversations about it I often see people bring up the same points about Shirou as you have. I can't say that I disagree with them, but I can say that they aren't the penultimate reasons as to why I enjoy them, and I personally never found them as groundbreaking as some others do (the constant reposting of "le hero deconstruction so deep guise" pastas about Shirou on /a/ and /vg/ doesn't really help - it only desensitizes you to what is a pretty cool concept), but it's still something that I respect, albeit with less value than others. Certainly much better than the generic self-inserts we received since Extra.

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>>20717861
This. Shirou was big retard.

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>>20717861
The anime gave us pretty much no insight into Shirou except hammering the same scene of Kerry saving him repeatedly with no actual added in context, we never get to see what he's thinking or any of the stuff about his survivor's guilt which is prominent in some of the VN. Imagine the Archer VS Caster scene in UBW but we don't see Shirou blaming himself for Archer getting hurt and thinking he shouldn't be forcing someone to save him, we just see Shirou slowly bumbling towards his death while shouting "ARCHER FUCK OFF DON'T SAVE ME!!!!"

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>>20718133
It causes a huge split between fans of the anime and fans of the VN since the fans of the VN see him as a refined and interesting character that is a dumbass while the anime fans see him as JUST and ONLY a dumbass.

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>>20717553
into the trash she goes

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>>20717724
but he's right though. nuTM is trying to bring in amerishits with FGO. Heck, US is having a FGO tour

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>>20718336
Sure. The difference is that I don't think branching to a wider audience is a good thing.

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>>20717776
Shirou and Kerry were interesting because of their flaws and I personally love tragic stories. Poor Kerry didn't deserve all that suffering but his pragmatism and trauma prevented him from reaching happiness.
I'd love to discuss it more, but I'm really tired and my english starts to fail me, so good night anons.

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>>20718957
are you stupid? more fans means more $$$ so it's a win-win for both parties

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>>20719409
>it's a win-win for both parties
Not when they're only appealing to new fans, and none of that money goes to the kind of content that made TM good in the first place.

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>>20719409
Sure. The difference is that they aren't doing anything good with that money.

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>>20719409
It's a win for Nasu and Takeuchi since they get to pile up even more shekels. It's a loss for people who want decent content.

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>>20719409
Yeah, you have no idea how this works.

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>>20719409
More fans means having to pander to more people which means a devaluing of content.

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>>20717861
Yeah I kinda agree about the Saber / Rin thing. I know Nasu himself considers the Saber romance a failure, but despite being a Rinfag I never felt like she and Shirou had anything special either. She had something special with Archer, but that's not quite the same.

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>>20720673
I've heard this enough that I might have to re-read UBW too see if there's anything too it.

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>>20720750
Well, it's just my opinion in the end. I'm sure some people do like them as a couple.

Kinda hard to explain, but it always felt to me like Rin was a baby sitter for Shirou more than anything. Their relationship always had some kinda weird obligation tone to it in my opinion.

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I just want to sleep with Kuro

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>>20720860
you have to be an old fat balding man and then she'll fuck you

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>>20720889
But I can give her much more mana than any wrinkled, rotting, fuck could give.

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>>20720947
Kuro belly!

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I had this obscene idea for a game adaption of Apocrypha loosely based off Dynasty Warriors and Extella, with the gameplay gimmick being that it's like the AoT game and you're dropped into high scale battles as a duo or team of specific Servants from either side, then go around doing your thing and slashing at enemies while being able to freely switch between all the Servants in your party on the go. It would also have Co-Op and allow you to combo Servant attacks together to do things like Dual Heat attacks from Jojo EoH. Thoughts?

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>>20721830
Sorry, but I'm really not interested in more brainless musou

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>>20720947
>>20721776
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>>20721816
Imagine blowing a razzberry on that tummy.

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>>20716292
Is this a joke? Do people think this passes as good argument?
I can't even address the core before talking about the window dressing: holy shit is he full of himself. Whining that his interests aren't the most popular, repeatedly dumbing down the people who think differently, and then making voices on top of it all when he has nothing to even say about them. It's like listening to talk radio.

As for the actual argument, he never once addresses what the other Fate works actually are. He claims that only the originals have clashing ideals and motivations which screams of not having tried any of them, and his characterization of fgo's Camelot chapter tells me that he read someone's summary of it instead of the actual story. I'm wondering if he's legitimately autistic because he seems to not understand character motivations and personalities unless he's bashed with tens of hours of fluff.

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>>20723079
I didn't even watch the video because Youtube commentators are all fucking garbage, especially anyone commenting on Japanese media.

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>>20714754
>only made 1 billion yen
What are you on about? It's literally the best-selling Type Moon anime of all time. You're delusional if you think franchises for adults can compete with kids shows like DBS and Conan.

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>>20723079
You just reminded me of something, which I don't expect anyone to read because it's fucking massive and unrelated to Type-moon, but if you want to read about someone who made a living on sensationally attacking a school of philosophy and how basically everything he ever said or wrote was a retarded argument, here you are. http://www.helsinki.fi/~tuschano/writings/strange/

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>>20723173
>Fate
>For adults

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>>20723173
>for adults
Nice bait.

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I just watched Camelot stage and it was really fun. I want FSN to get stage shows too. Imagine Kotomine singing about Mapo Tofu, or Kojiro about swallows.

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>>20704067
That’s how Sieg and Jeanne saw his stats. Apparently his Anti-Spell book allowed him to scribble over it

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>>20723173
Fate for adults? Thanks for the laugh anon.

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>all these FGO faggots invading every board to gloat about how they're ahead of Fortnite in Twitter mentions as if it's some medal of honor

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>>20731220
The irony and hypocrisy seems to be lost on them.

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>>20731220
Arr, who ye be quotin' lad?

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>>20731220
I mean, it's rather impressive when you consider how hueg Fortnine is. Specially when you take into account how the FGO discussion would have taken place mostly in Japanese spheres while the Fortnite one is more or less the rest of the world. Mind you, I'm not advocating for the people doing the stuff that you're mentioning, that's just how "trolling" how works nowadays. Sad, ain't it?

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>>20732228
I dunno if it's thaaat impressive honestly
I don't think the youth, which is most of Fortnite's audience, really uses Twitter. They are Twitchfags and instagramfags. Twitter is kinda a dying platform but the Japanese still use it a ton because I don't think they really have any great alternatives.

Then again that's just my impressions. I don't have any facts behind this

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>>20687729
>implying

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>>20696066
Probably a paid model.

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>>20704571
>I wouldn't say he's one of the best written, but he's still above most of the trash FGO has spat out.
Is FGO officially canon though? It's nearly split itself from the original series simply by being far larger than it.

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>>20704700
>futa incest homo baby making is real
"Trans" people definitely have started to have "male" pregnancies (i.e. they're hairy, fat women that look like and pretend to be men). It's beginning to become an ethical issue now. I don't see why though, they have the parts, why not use them for their intended purpose? (the issue is testosterone levels in baby development, but I don't see how that could negatively affect the child too much.. in fact it would make them manly men I think)

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>>20707271
>Angry Mayhew
Andy Matthew?

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>>20733129
It is, but GO can be looked upon as separate to the rest of the Nasuverse.
Or that is at least how I cope with it.

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>>20709853
Taiga a cute.

>>20710419
Arc a cute.

AAAAAH I can't choose any single grill in type moon.
Just kidding, always arc, Tsuki remake when?

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>>20733140
I honestly restrict F S/N and F H/A to one thing, Tsukihime and related content to another, then all the fate extra, etc stuff to separate versions of the fate canon.
It's just gotten way too complicated with Fate so you need to restrict that canon to the original VNs and any directly associated VNs.
Light novels might be included too however but I haven't read those yet..

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>>20733155
Arc will always be my favorite, even if her remake goes against a lot of what I loved about her original design

Thankfully most fanartists ignore the remake.

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>>20733198
>Thankfully most fanartists ignore the remake.
Indeed.

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honest thoughts?

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>>20733242
Too lewd. Or did you mean the girls?

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PLEASE STOP BEING POPULAR SO I CAN LIKE YOU AGAIN

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>>20733242
Sakura is better.

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>>20733242
>>20733567
Ilya is better.

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>>20733594
I agree, though Castah and Ridah need honourable mentions.

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>>20733242
Rin is the worst
Saber has an unfortunate ass here

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>>20733242
Shitty underwear, unappealing bodies.

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>>20733853
I'm fine with this.

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>>20733853
Medea is great. Her only flaw is terminally shit taste in both men and women.

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>>20733242
Takeuchi is a hack

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https://twitter.com/TMitterOfficial/status/1090263314116956162

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>>20734570
Interesting, though we shouldn't get hyped for any big announcement!
Surely if they remember FSN's 15th, there's no way they'll forget Tsukihime's 20th, right?

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>>20733129
It literally belongs to the "primary trunk" of the Tree Of Time along with FSN/FZ PW. NO other type moon work is officially labelled as central as those two so far.

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>>20733853
Super taste, friend

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>>20733242
Saber's nice, but kinda dull. I think most of my affection for her comes from her character type rather than Saber herself.
Rin's fantastic and probably my favorite Fate girl.

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>>20739010
Damn, nice.
In a better alternate universe, we at least get fanart and porn of all great TM girls.

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Last Episode=UBW True>HF Normal>HF True>UBW Good

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>>20739241
Last Episode is fucking shit compared to Fate's original ending
HF true >>> HF normal

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>>20739263
Last Episode is simply the most beautiful thing of F/SN. Sure, it was just fanservice for Saberfags but for me it makes the Fate route even more beautiful and gives a beautiful closure to Emiya's arc.

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>no Fate no Life
Yeah Ueda Kana, I'm sure your life is greatly benefitting from the shitload of milking the franchise is getting.

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JP twitter memes...

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Koyama Caster

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>>20739624
lolwut

cute face though

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Even after all these years I still can't stand True Assassin's absence in almost anything FSN related, be it FSN spinoffs or full cast fanart

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>>20739907
Too spooky and serious, though it's a shame because he's really cool.
I think he's in Tiger Coloseum at least.

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>>20739263
Nasu's depressing ends are better than his happy ones. HF Normal > HF True.

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>>20740263
Usually yes, but HF normal is just inconclusive and leaves Kirei and Illya's stories unfinished, stop letting the emotional gut punch fool into thinking it's a solid end for the route.

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Wow

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>冬
is this a fucking joke or what?

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>>20740439
It's winter right now, anon. It's in February.

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>>20740391
ids habbeding

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>>20735115
What the fuck are you even talking about?

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>>20740521
FGOfags are still in the vast majority, but I'm all up for JP fans complaining about modern TM more. They should've started doing that years ago.

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>>20740234
Ironically enough, TA is pretty moe in Tiger Coliseum. Shame that his route isn't translated

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>>20740391
>they were actually expecting an announcement
retards

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>>20741329
That's more from the backlash of nothing interesting being announced, I guess even they have pent up frustration about Tsukihime. Glad to see it for once.

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>>20741448
They should honestly just forget about it and move on.

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Supposedly most people are hampering on about the Fate route getting a new anime.
Thoughts?

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>>20741619
If such a thing ever happens it might be interesting to see how much gets rewritten considering Nasu doesn't like the route

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>>20741619
It would only ever happen if ufotable did it, and they're still busy with HF, so no, not happening.

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>>20741619
Ufo already said they won't do a Fate route anime. They made the Fate route available in phone for free instead, while you have to pay for UBW and HF.

I doubt this changes considering they schedule this stuff beforehand, unless TM gets a new studio on it.

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>>20741826
Guess Azusa is a true TM fan.

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>>20707271
>>20709622
The Counter Force of Ayala represents the will of mankind's collective unconscious. Mankind's collective unconscious can better be understood by how it seeps into the stories people have recited and kept in records throughout the centuries. Within tales recited since ancient times, interventions by a powerful being to solve what seems to be an insurmountable problem happen at the last second (e.g look at most ancient stories featuring Deus Ex Machina). It's a similar thing in religion which is why you get the response "God works in a mysterious way" when people probe why God gets involved at the last second to save people or why God ignores catastrophes from happening (i.e they're not bad enough to require intervention). This shows that mankind prefers or is tilted toward the idea of having a powerful force get involved right before its too late. Since Ayala is the collective unconscious of mankind, it behaves in a similar way to how most people have preferred stories and how problem solving by the intervention of a powerful force unfolds.

And it's "unconscious" because humans don't require to consciously think about it. It seems people since the dawn of mankind where drawn to this trope. And it gets reflected in how Ayala's Counter Force operates. Of course, there can be exceptions to this rule but it'd depend on other factors.

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>>20717861
Natural isn't a good criteria to judge romance, else it's too subjective. It'd be impossible to enjoy romance relationships from other eras and even in other cultures if "natural" was a criteria. Even in modern Western culture, no one can seem to agree on what's "natural" romance and what isn't. Look at how extra-marital romance is treated.
The romantic relationship with Saber and Shirou isn't supposed to be normal. They have similar characteristics but they also get closer due to supernatural events, to which by very definition will not necessarily seem natural. The Saber Shirou romance is striking not because some Japanese teenager can end up with a genderbent King Arthur. If you see it sarcastically like this, you'll already miss out. It's striking because of buildup, character similarities, symbolism (Shirou being saber's sheath bot literally and physically) and the events that bring them together. The fact that they're both stubborn resulted in a clash and an eventual resolution which makes their relationship more striking and possibly more believable than the typical anime romance that lacks any conflict. Those characters being naked to each other when it comes to personality, past and intention led to romance.

Shirou was clueless and emotionally stunted but he wasn't an idiot. Sure he wasn't the smartest in Fate, and certainly not in the Nasuverse but he's certainly above in intelligence when it comes to the average man, as he picks up on information quickly during battles for example. The problem with Shirou is analyzing well didn't translate to proper choices. He's similar to many mentally ill people in that aspect.

I think readers who think Shirou is dumb assume that the opinion and judgemental attitude of other characters like Rin at times must be objective truth, which is a silly way of reading most fiction, let alone something like Fate which clearly mentions most characters not fully knowing what they're talking about. Shirou obviously gets annoyed by the judgemental attitude and pretends to be dense just to piss of Rin and other characters.
>>20720673
>>20720770
Rin and Shirou had a lots of banter which was part of their friendship and chemistry.
>Rin was a baby sitter

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>>20717861
Natural isn't a good criteria to judge romance, else it's too subjective. It'd be impossible to enjoy romance relationships from other eras and even in other cultures if "natural" was a criteria. Even in modern Western culture, no one can seem to agree on what's "natural" romance and what isn't. Look at how extra-marital romance is treated.
The romantic relationship with Saber and Shirou isn't supposed to be normal. They have similar characteristics but they also get closer due to supernatural events, to which by very definition will not necessarily seem natural. The Saber Shirou romance is striking not because some Japanese teenager can end up with a genderbent King Arthur. If you see it sarcastically like this, you'll already miss out. It's striking because of buildup, character similarities, symbolism (Shirou being saber's sheath bot literally and physically) and the events that bring them together. The fact that they're both stubborn resulted in a clash and an eventual resolution which makes their relationship more striking and possibly more believable than the typical anime romance that lacks any conflict. Those characters being naked to each other when it comes to personality, past and intention led to romance.

Shirou was clueless and emotionally stunted but he wasn't an idiot. Sure he wasn't the smartest in Fate, and certainly not in the Nasuverse but he's certainly above in intelligence when it comes to the average man, as he picks up on information quickly during battles for example. The problem with Shirou is analyzing well didn't translate to proper choices. He's similar to many mentally ill people in that aspect.

I think readers who think Shirou is dumb assume that the opinion and judgemental attitude of other characters like Rin at times must be objective truth, which is a silly way of reading most fiction, let alone something like Fate which clearly mentions most characters not fully knowing what they're talking about. Shirou obviously gets annoyed by the judgemental attitude and pretends to be dense just to piss of Rin and other characters.
>>20720673
>>20720770
Rin and Shirou had a lots of banter which was part of their friendship and chemistry. The mentor aspect of Rin's relationship with Shirou doesn't seem parental since the Kuzuki fight, Shirou becomes more reliable and independent. By the Shirou v Archer fight, the relationship clearly looks more even than before. If anything, Rin gets dependent on Shirou after losing Archer.

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Natural isn't a good criteria to judge romance, else it's too subjective. It'd be impossible to enjoy romance relationships from other eras and even in other cultures if "natural" was a criteria. Even in modern Western culture, no one can seem to agree on what is "natural" romance and what isn't. Look at how extra-marital romance is treated.
The romantic relationship with Saber and Shirou isn't supposed to be normal. They have similar characteristics but they also get closer due to supernatural events, which by its very definition will not necessarily seem natural. The Saber Shirou romance is striking not because some Japanese teenager can end up with a genderbent King Arthur. If you see it sarcastically like this, you'll already miss out. It's poignant because of buildup, character similarities, symbolism (Shirou being saber's sheath both literally and figuratively) and as the result of the events that bring them closer together. The fact that they're both stubborn resulted in a clash and its resolution made their relationship more striking and possibly more believable than the typical anime romance lacking any conflict. Those characters being naked to each in personality, personal history and intention intensifies their romance.

Shirou was clueless and emotionally stunted but he wasn't an idiot. Sure he wasn't the smartest in Fate, and certainly not in the Nasuverse but he's certainly smarter than the average man, as he picks up on information quickly during battles for example. The problem with Shirou is analyzing well didn't translate to proper choices. He's similar to many mentally ill people in that aspect.

I think readers who think Shirou is dumb assume that the opinion and judgemental attitude of other characters like Rin at times must be objective truth, which is a silly way of reading most fiction, let alone something like Fate which clearly mentions most characters not fully knowing what they're talking about. Shirou obviously gets annoyed by the judgemental attitude and pretends to be dense just to piss of Rin and other characters.
>>20720673
>>20720770
Rin and Shirou had a lots of banter which was part of their friendship and chemistry. The mentor aspect of Rin's relationship with Shirou doesn't seem parental since the Kuzuki fight, Shirou becomes more reliable and independent. By the Shirou v Archer fight, the relationship clearly looks more even than before. If anything, Rin gets dependent on Shirou after losing Archer.

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>>20717861
Natural isn't a good criteria to judge romance, else it's too subjective. It'd be impossible to enjoy romance relationships from other eras and even in other cultures if "natural" was a criteria. Even in modern Western culture, no one can seem to agree on what is "natural" romance and what isn't. Look at how extra-marital romance is treated.
The romantic relationship with Saber and Shirou isn't supposed to be normal. They have similar characteristics but they also get closer due to supernatural events, which by its very definition will not necessarily seem natural. The Saber Shirou romance is striking not because some Japanese teenager can end up with a genderbent King Arthur. If you see it sarcastically like this, you'll already miss out. It's poignant because of buildup, character similarities, symbolism (Shirou being saber's sheath both literally and figuratively) and as the result of the events that bring them closer together. The fact that they're both stubborn resulted in a clash and its resolution made their relationship more striking and possibly more believable than the typical anime romance lacking any conflict. Those characters being naked to each in personality, personal history and intention intensifies their romance.

Shirou was clueless and emotionally stunted but he wasn't an idiot. Sure he wasn't the smartest in Fate, and certainly not in the Nasuverse but he's certainly smarter than the average man, as he picks up on information quickly during battles for example. The problem with Shirou is analyzing well didn't translate to proper choices. He's similar to many mentally ill people in that aspect.

I think readers who think Shirou is dumb assume that the opinion and judgemental attitude of other characters like Rin at times must be objective truth, which is a silly way of reading most fiction, let alone something like Fate which clearly mentions most characters not fully knowing what they're talking about. Shirou obviously gets annoyed by the judgemental attitude and pretends to be dense just to piss of Rin and other characters.
>>20720673
>>20720770
Rin and Shirou had a lots of banter which was part of their friendship and chemistry. The mentor aspect of Rin's relationship with Shirou doesn't seem parental since the Kuzuki fight, Shirou becomes more reliable and independent. By the Shirou v Archer fight, the relationship clearly looks more even than before. If anything, Rin gets dependent on Shirou after losing Archer.

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>>20742808
>It'd be impossible to enjoy romance relationships from other eras and even in other cultures if "natural" was a criteria.
I wouldn't say so. It's typically pretty clear so long as one keeps context in mind. This is true between cultures as well (obviously) as the way romantic relationships are portrayed in Japanese media is quite different from the way that it's perceived of in Western media. It's within the former context that I personally found the romantic parts of Fate to be quite lacking, there just wasn't much to it for me.
>The romantic relationship with Saber and Shirou isn't supposed to be normal.
Nasu disagrees and considers his attempts to make it typical "boy-meets-girl story" a failure.
>certainly above in intelligence when it comes to the average man, as he picks up on information quickly during battles for example
He picks up information very inconsistently, though. I would also posit that battle smarts isn't necessarily an indication of mean intelligence even.
>I think readers who think Shirou is dumb assume that the opinion and judgemental attitude of other characters like Rin at times must be objective truth
Not in my case.
>Shirou obviously gets annoyed by the judgemental attitude and pretends to be dense just to piss of Rin and other characters.
Interesting. Care to point out some examples? Because I cannot for the life of me remember this being overt enough to stick out in my memory. Granted, it's been 8 years since I've read Fate so microdetails are going to be blurry. Still, I think I would have remembered that if it were common enough to mention.
>Rin and Shirou had a lots of banter which was part of their friendship and chemistry.
I've seen people retort with this before and I don't really know what they're going on about. I suppose it's down to subjective qualities once again, but the relationship between Rin and Shirou never felt very banter-y to me. Awkward and clunky, maybe. Certainly not good enough to call it chemistry, in my opinion.

I wasn't the one who made the baby sitter comment so I'll sit that one out.

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>>20742831
>It's typically pretty clear so long as one keeps context in mind
How natural the context is itself perceived is quite subjective. For example, religious stories trigger some people who'll have a distaste of it and so any romance that's from a specific distasteful religion(s) wouldn't be appreciated by some.
There's a plethora of reasons/examples why "naturalness" is too subjective and thus a bad way of judging something like romance. From age, to cultural background, to sexuality, to personal sexual experiences that "trigger" people, to lack of experience, etc...
F/SN primarily appeals to straight men. So that's already going to not make interesting most people who don't fit that category think it to be unnatural. Then there's all sorts of constraints within that category itself. Likewise, something like the romance in 50 shades of Grey, which is ridiculeled, is undeniably popular among a lot of women, particularly middle aged women in North America. Those that mean it's unnatural? Well, objectively speaking not necessarily. An academic could tell you he's analyzed plenty of relationships like the one espoused in .
Heck, there are women in the real world who fall in love with their rapist. Many would laugh at such a thing if it was depicted in fiction and deem in unnatural but some wouldn't. Since there's knowledge of Stockholm syndrome, it'd be laughable to suggest such romance to be unnatural. But if you were to tell this to early 20th males with a good upbringing who aren't sociopaths, they'll laugh too and think stories like the typical housewife romance are unnatural.
>Nasu disagrees and considers his attempts to make it typical "boy-meets-girl story" a failure.
The author of any work is not God. Nasu was going to make the Heaven's Feel adaptation worse before Sudou told him not to retcon somethings.
Authors can sometimes be quite insecure about themselves and their works. Just read some of the most prolific writers and their thoughts on their work. They'd name a lot of things they think wasn't properly done and they can't even remain consistent about their criticism.
>He picks up information very inconsistently, though
The information itself is inconsistent in complexity. So that's not a rebuttal.
>I would also posit that battle smarts isn't necessarily an indication of mean intelligence even.
IQ is literally a measure of processing information at a rapid pace, which Shirou does in battles under heavy stress. The average person's brain cannot perform in a similar manner in any activity as stressful as battles.
>Care to point out some examples?
Here Shirou holds back on pointing out things too directly and acts ignorant/confused at first when he was right anyway: https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%2086/ Here's another example where Shirou says to Rin he doesn't know of a clue regarding Gil after Rin calls him useless, though he did made her repeat her request at first (probably was also intentionally acting dense in the beginning as well): https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%2092/
There's other examples in the "exposition scenes" and during some slice of life moments.

>Still, I think I would have remembered that if it were common enough to mention.
Well it was, Perhaps the translation not being good enough makes it a pain to read. Maybe you just forgot since not everyone would remember every interaction of character pairings they didn't enjoy or maybe you didn't get it the first time for whatever reason. It's not like every sentence of dialogue between Rin and Shirou is banter or Shirou pretending to be dense.
>I suppose it's down to subjective qualities once again, but the relationship between Rin and Shirou never felt very banter-y to me. Awkward and clunky, maybe. Certainly not good enough to call it chemistry, in my opinion.
The problem is you're trying to judge thing by how they "feel", that's not an attempt to objectivity. I don't find One Punch Man (or as I like to call it One Joke Man) funny. But it's objectively comedy. Why? Because they're enough people who think it is. Is it good comedy? It utilizes the same techniques and has similar to other comedies, some of which I actually enjoy. I can judge OPM being comedy and being funny without having a single laugh. When it comes to Rin and Shirou's relationship, the banter is there, Rin reacts like how someone sometimes would when they get teased and Shirou thinks he was banting. So all evidence points toward there being banter. Now you may not enjoy or find it funny, but that doesn't negate that it is there and banter is a way for people to get closer together, including males and females.

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>>20743863
>How natural the context is itself perceived is quite subjective.
Sure. But I was never making objective claims in the first place insofar as the romances are concerned, always prefacing them with "to me" or "in my opinion." A successful romance is always going to be down to a high degree of subjectivity, I would say, and, if you would disagree, I would be curious as to what key points you would consider necessary for a romance to be considered objectively good. My primary objection towards your first post was in regards to your presumption that romances are too difficult to judge in that manner due to the reader being too easily bothered by various contexts, which, at least, isn't true for myself (and I was only ever speaking for myself).
>The author of any work is not God.
True. But the reader of any work should never become the writer, which is the case I feel insofar as your splurge on the Saber romance is concerned. I'll do you a favor: let's assume that you're entirely correct about the Saber/Shirou romance regarding the general premise. Then, sure, it's a successful romance between robots. But intense? Striking? Believable? Well, returning it back to you, those are all quite subjective and, therefore, not "a good criteria to judge romance."
>IQ is literally a measure of processing information at a rapid pace, which Shirou does in battles under heavy stress.
That's an unusual definition. It's not necessarily wrong but it's not quite the whole picture either - it's true that IQ tests do measure one's pace, but there are more than a few parts that do not. I have taken 3 officially sanctioned IQ tests from professionals and all of them had parts which were far more flexible insofar as the pace was concerned than others. Furthermore, there are such things as people who are exceptionally gifted in one field, but utterly lacking in all others. At most we can say that Shirou is an intelligent fighter - at least when the plot needs him to be - but it's a bit of a moot point since the complaints aimed at his character are very much unrelated to fighting, i.e. his infantile naïveté, his awkward dialogue in general, etc. Some people have suggested that these aspects of his character are integral to what makes Shirou great, that he's mentally ill, and that this is all some grand design by Nasu and it works great. I'm not going to argue with this purported intent, but I will say that, if these intentions are true, then the execution was poor - Shirou being perceived as a moron is a meme for a reason; many readers struggled to read through is dialogue without arriving at a consensus that he lacked the ability to hold an intellectual conversation. Does the incredibly poorly written English translation - which is filled to the brim with stilted, immature prose - amplify this perception? Probably. Does the original text have these issues? I cannot say. Reading those lparchive posts has actually reinforced my opinion on how horribly awkward conversations are in the translation. I really need to re-read Fate in Japanese and see whether or not it's this embarrassing. Also, I'm not sure if I entirely buy the point precisely because of that; it's too poorly executed insofar as the the text is concerned. I would have to see the original text and listen to the voiced samples to make an accurate judgement.

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>>20743863
>But it's objectively comedy. Why? Because they're enough people who think it is.
By this measure, isn't Shirou objectively a moron?
>Is it good comedy? It utilizes the same techniques and has similar to other comedies, some of which I actually enjoy. I can judge OPM being comedy and being funny without having a single laugh.
Art can be bad an hit all the key points it needs to; many compositions, for instance, hit the "necessary" marks for adhering to the appropriate formalism but objectively don't do anything interesting with it, i.e. it's dry and does nothing more than utilize schemata as its starting point, rather than something that's a flexible, natural idiom. Sonata form, for instance, is interpreted by poor composers as a succession of melodic ideas, divorced from the harmonic dimension of the music - nothing more than a fetishized crutch to make it digestible to audiences. Is it technically adherent to a schemata? Indeed. Can we therefore categorize it as a good piece? No. Objectively speaking we can merely say it's a composition in sonata form. This is merely just one example.

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OH GOD IT'S ALREADY 2019

WHERE IS TSUKIHIME?

THE TRAILER WAS 2012

7 FUCKING YEARS, 7 FUCKING YEARS

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SEVEN NIGHTS, NOT SEVEN YEARS

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>>20744646
it's time to move on anon

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>>20686181
So is this download of FSN, the VN, the patched version, as in has all the Realta Nua stuff but still keeps the sex scenes, or is it just straight Realta Nua?

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>>20744646
And that's a good thing, you don't want Tsukihime transforming in what fate is now.

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>>20744816
It should be the composite version.

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Are the Kara no Kyoukai movies a good adaptation?

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>>20745306
Yes.

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>>20745306
Outside of the 6th, yes.

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>>20745306
Could have been much better.

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>>20745306
knk 5 is one of the greatest animu movies ever made.

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Hmm I wonder what the Fate announcement will be. I'm hoping Saber related

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>>20747555
What announcement? It's just an exposition afaik

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Nasu on Tsukihime's remake

>"It's like when you write - when you're younger, you look back on [previous work] and you think 'Oh, goodness what was I thinking,'" Nasu explained. "It's not that I'm embarrassed, I just don't like to look at my previous works."
>Nasu: When I wrote Tsukihime, I felt resistance towards so many things—society, entertainment, culture—and it was my motivation to write the story. Now, I am thrilled to be writing from a place of gratitude, though with just a touch of sadness. It feels like the old Nasu Kinoko has passed on. I suppose you could say I've gone under a heavy detox, and feel much more virtuous now (laughs).

Your take?

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>>20748559
This is many months old.
There are a few ways you could look at it.

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>>20748559
Nasu doesn't understand his own appeal.

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>>20748559
It really depends on what he's embarrassed about. There's plenty of things in Tsukihime that are, indeed, likely embarrassing to a more developed writer. It is tedious and dry, containing far too much repetition, exposition, and awkward dialogue. These are just a few things that I, as a reader, can pick up; there are perhaps more that Nasu has realized himself.

But if he's talking about the edginess, the bite, the gothic horror influences, the atmosphere, the themes, etc. etc. then I'm afraid he's lost the plot. There is some part of me that believes, after having read many of Nasu's interviews, that he's no longer capable of writing dark, gritty stories like KnK, Tsukihime, and parts of Fate like HF. Indeed - he tends to speak of them with a tinge of embarrassment when it comes to discussing the darker elements. I half-way agree with >>20748697 I don't think Nasu understands the appeal of his older works, and I frankly don't really trust him with the Remake, which is why I'm of the opinion that it'd be better off forgotten.

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>>20751056
Taiga, the relief teachers have arrived!

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>>20751139
Oh wow, shota Kirei is cuuuute

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>>20749434
Shiki is a shit character: he's no better written than typical cool steel edgelord Deviantart OC people mock, from his powers to his "lel rapist but chicks love me for no reason!" and everything he is. He needs a major overhaul. Because he was never a popular character.

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>>20751396
I'd take Shiki any day over recent trash like Guda. He's a tad bland in Tsukihime since it was Nasu's first attempt at a VN protag, but there's nothing wrong with his edgy side or powers, they're a big part of Tsukihime's charm. He has a bit more personality in other works, and a good amount of distinctive traits that could easily get expanded in the Remake.
As always, I'm convinced people who dislike Shiki are the same kind who think Mikiya in KnK is a blank self-insert. You're not gonna get a "major overhaul" for Shiki, that'd be changing the essence of what Tsukihime is.

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>>20751539
>nobody brought up Guda
>suddenly some tl;dr about them

> that'd be changing the essence of what Tsukihime is
You can tell the same message without making him a bland, self insert without personality unless he gets his murder rapist on.

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>>20751572
I don't talk about Gudashit beyond the first sentence, but okay.

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>>20751572
He does have a personality in his daily life that will obviously get expanded on, but you're not gonna get a "major overhaul" that makes him not a serial murder rapist that gets all the bitches, dumbass.

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>>20751396
>He needs a major overhaul.
He already got one. Read Melty and the manga.

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>>20751598
>but you're not gonna get a "major overhaul" that makes him not a serial murder rapist that gets all the bitches, dumbass.
Nasu will make him a no character self insert for the new fanbase

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Shiki is good actually, while there definetly are moments I would tone down but overall his nature vs nurture conflict fits the themes of Tsukihime and is very well done even if they don't beat you over the head with it. His apperciation for life is nice and interesting too, especially in moments where he has to abdicate it somehow (see Akiha route endings)

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So /tmg/, who is the best protagonist of Type-Moon/Nasuverse?

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Honestly that's hard to say just because so many of them are pretty good. It's probably either Tohno or Shirou even though I like Bazzet,Kiritsugu,pre Extella Hakuno and Ryougi too. Guda is terrible and Sieg would've been much better in a multi route VN

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>>20752731
Ryougi

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>>20752759
I don't really know how anyone can like Hakuno/n. They're a big part of the reason why I dislike Extra so much.

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>>20752790
Honestly while Hakuno isn't like amazing or anything the start of game blandness they have is used to an end (they completely lack a self) and the dynamics they have with their various opponents bring out and cause them to develop an emotional range and ideals of their own which all leads into the confrontation with Twice which is pretty good.

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>>20751396
>Because he was never a popular character

https://opphiucus.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/type-moon-ace-vol-2/

1. Archer
2. Nanaya Shiki
3. Lancer
4. Tohno Shiki
5. Emiya Shirou
6. Kotomine Kirei
7. Gilgamesh
8. Kokutou Mikiya
9. Emiya Kiritsugu
10. Iskandar

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>>20752779
This. Best type-moon heroine by far

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>new month
>no new Emiya Gohan episode

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>>20752731
Emiya is still the best and the main reason why I like Nasu.

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arc boobie

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So are Sieg and Jeanne supposed to be more successful counterparts too Shirou and Saber or something? It seems like they're trying to do a thing here, but they're both so boring it's hard to tell or care.

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>>20755203
I think that was the intent, yes. It fell flat for me, too.

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>>20751598
His entire personality changes depending on the route, including his preferences. He's a fucking inconsistent self-insert in Tsukihime.

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>>20752759
>Guda is terrible
I think whoever wrote the Shimosa manga is doing a good job to make Guda an actual character who isn't some meme, or bland-harem protagonist as everyone else (including Nasu). If they are put in charge of a bigger project, Ritsuka can easily be redeemed. It's only one chapter and I like their portrayal of Guda more than in all the fucking series:
https://pocket.shonenmagazine.com/episode/10834108156642978280

The internal dialogue, a variety of expressions (that's not just "staring blankly" and "blushing at tits"), focus on the character as an every day plucky RPG hero that's supposed to an Avera Joe/Jane that Rose to the bad Situation and is the face of a rather faceless "humanity." I thought he was also OK in Lostroom, not brilliant but had actual internal dialogue, doubts and development. It's just they shy around it almost every else.

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Thoughts /tmg/?
Fate/Stay Night Review Series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL43g98Y9VwZcp9XOxrLWey9cY0q1aZPd7

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>>20756560
A casual who is limited to the TM wiki and only really understands and cares about Fate and only has a surface understanding of context for the rest of the Nasuverse.
At least he avoids GO.

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>>20756664
Yeah, but I was asking what does /tmg/ thinks of his analysis of FSN.

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>>20756697
It's pretty standard.

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It's time for Tohsaka's birthday.
Say something nice about her!

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Prove to me why Herk shouldn't have had EX rank strength.

You can't.

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Can female masters mana transfer to male servants?

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>>20757883
Sure. Just have the servants eat them out. Or hope they're into watersports.

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>>20757934
Has this happened before? I just started UBW of the VN

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Also, why didn’t kotomine just cum inside gilgamesh’s boypussy to sustain him instead of hurting all those people?

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>>20758023
In Extra, Rin can mana transfer to Archer, I think.

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>>20758146
What a slut

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>>20757836
Because the rank A++ for strength and endurance is already beyond what a human is capable of and you’d need to be a monster to attain that like Asterios and Gorgon.

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>>20756145
>The manga Pseudo Shirou appears has a cute Gudako who has a personality, guts and isn't a meme lesbian
Why is this bias?

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>>20757883
Yes, any body fluids work.I suppose it's also true in reverse, the Servants' semen maybe rich on mana and thus fuel the master who in turn fuels the Servant.

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>>20759613
Because Shimousa is written by Sakurai, and Nasu loves to give her special attention for some reason.

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>>20759661
You say this like people were clamoring to put her in their works. The people clamoring for her are a niche minority. Majority is happier with the male self insert.

She was probably the only one to ask since Riyo.

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>>20760447
They decided to divide it half and half. Salem and Shimosa manga have female Guda, Shinjuku and Agartha adaptation male one. Shimousa and Shinjuku first chapters are out, and Shimousa wins hands down best FGO adaptation ever done so far, it actually takes the game setting and makes a competent story with it, plus manages to make Gudako an actually likable protagonist. The action scenes look pretty amazing too; they finally hired a non shit artist for fuck's sake.

While Shinjuku art is ok, nothing special. It starts with Gudao being a typical bland self insert with a generic harem scene with Mashu. It's almost embarrassing to compare them.

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>>20761761
Shinjuku is by Sakaki Shounen so I have faith.

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how come ciel is the designated glasses character but all her best moments are when she takes them off?

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>>20762323
cause glasses are shit

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>>20762634
This.

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>>20758112
Because hurting people is better than sex for Kotomine.

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>>20757425
Basically helped me define what I think is the ideal woman.

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>>20764483
My ideal woman is similar too.
I just got that defined through a different path.

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>>20761761
That page is strinking.

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