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DJT whatever number Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:19:38 2018 No.20412989 [Reply] [Original]

You can (not) learn japanese!

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:31:23 2018 No.20413039 File: 94 KB, 1080x1920, Screenshot_AnkiDroid_20181213-233029.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20412989 Should I start on reading or continue with anki for a while more

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:33:47 2018 No.20413051 >>20413039 definitely anki you wont understand anything like that

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:36:41 2018 No.20413071 >>20413039 The answer to "should I start reading" is always "yes".

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:38:50 2018 No.20413082 File: 134 KB, 1280x738, Screenshot-00052.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is this corrent? >やっちゃって is a contraction of: >やってしまうは translated as >lets do it

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:40:33 2018 No.20413087 how many flashcards and mouseover lookups have you done and how much of this do you understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5y4L4bneyM#t=77

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:42:47 2018 No.20413105 >>20413082 Do you run a scanlation group?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:43:42 2018 No.20413110 行く　should, if following the rules, be conjugated as 行いて, but it is 行って. Is this just because of the double い?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:45:00 2018 No.20413117 >>20412989 DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #2062 Old thread: >>20398336

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:45:24 2018 No.20413120 >>20413117 found the autist

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:47:59 2018 No.20413128 >>20413120 >Thread about learning a language for Chinese cartoons Plenty of autists to be found, my friend.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:52:39 2018 No.20413153 >>20413128 I don't like anime. I like 伝統的な文化

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:54:33 2018 No.20413161 >>20413082 やっちゃって is a contraction of やってしまって whered the は come from ready to scanlate though >>20413087 SWERVIN >>20413110 probably but you can say いいて if you want and just call it your 弁 >>20413153 this is what happens when the op is neglected

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:54:50 2018 No.20413162 >>20413153 >>>/int/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:55:27 2018 No.20413163 >>20413110 wait ’til you hear about くる

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:57:55 2018 No.20413169 >>20413110 Grammar rules don't exist. Language evolves organically.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 10:58:13 2018 No.20413172 remember if you mix up きって and きて youll be pushed out of society like that nick kid

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:02:34 2018 No.20413194

>>20413163
I am pretty far down the path, but I was taught that there are only two specially conjugated verbs which obviously is not the case. One day I stood back and thought it was a bit strange I was writing itte. Can't hurt to have a little clarification now and then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:11:38 2018 No.20413240 File: 18 KB, 958x238, google translate.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Behold the power of machine learning.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:11:46 2018 No.20413243 https://streamable.com/ueb2v In case you need more proof to ignore everything George says about learning Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:13:58 2018 No.20413253 i mean look how big the text is on his computer hes clearly special needs : )

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:25:46 2018 No.20413304

>>20413240
and its making more unsupervised decisions in the world every day
>>20413243
hey dont be mean hes almost good enough to read the only content he truly enjoys and then hell have really made it
actually i just had a thought
what if imouto is george

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:27:30 2018 No.20413308 masaka lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:29:38 2018 No.20413324 >>20413105 lol no iam a subs2srs fag

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:29:38 2018 No.20413325 im joking of course imouto is actually good at japanese but hed really fit in that kind of role dont you think

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:35:56 2018 No.20413344 File: 36 KB, 141x255, 2018-12-12 23_40_40-Window.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey dudes this is probably the most biggest sentence I was able to comprehend.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:38:26 2018 No.20413354 >>20413344 unfortunately not all of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:42:43 2018 No.20413370 >>20413344 i love a hard が from a good waifu

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:43:30 2018 No.20413372 >>20413370 pretty sure that's the first Jojo

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:45:02 2018 No.20413378 >>20413372 it probably wasnt even hard im just saying thats what i thought of

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:48:15 2018 No.20413386 >>20413378 Me? I'm a わ guy

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 11:51:24 2018 No.20413392 >>20413386 here i found one in ntrs favorite game try it out https://vocaroo.com/i/s0wAZiLIbLGA give me a good わ

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 12:14:59 2018 No.20413445 File: 32 KB, 581x277, 1536695714329.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Looks like itazuranigger decided 4chan is not DJT anymore, despite using all the resources created by the community to promote his leddit-infested Discord... Interesting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 12:24:55 2018 No.20413476 >>20413445 hell never find out that a ton of links in his grammar books split into a thousand pieces have been broken for months

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 12:32:27 2018 No.20413502 >>20413445 he quit DJT after meta whining on /int/ about the thread quality

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 12:32:42 2018 No.20413503 File: 2.59 MB, 640x360, 2.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this years kanji

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 12:35:02 2018 No.20413509 >>20413503 oh no what happened

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 12:35:02 2018 No.20413510 >>20413503 when will we get to 尻?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 12:36:04 2018 No.20413511 >>20413510 when you stop worrying about kanji and embrace nihongo you can get to 尻 any time you want

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 12:36:44 2018 No.20413516 >>20413503 would have to agree if there was one kanji to describe 2018 its that

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 12:37:06 2018 No.20413518 >>20413511 nihongo de kanji wo fukumeru yo ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 12:52:49 2018 No.20413567 >>20413509 Brexit

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 13:00:10 2018 No.20413597 >>20413516 same >>20413518 dont worry youll figure it out one day

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 13:04:44 2018 No.20413621 what sites can i watch tv vods on with a vpn? i know of video.tv-tokyo.co.jp and fod.fujitv.co.jp/s/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 13:52:28 2018 No.20413838 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xziGTSHpuE this is really good practice actually why don't you guys record yourselves playing video games?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 13:55:38 2018 No.20413860 i play hentai games > : )

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 13:56:43 2018 No.20413866 File: 87 KB, 568x555, Untitled4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20413860 same but I always quit at h scene

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 13:59:57 2018 No.20413879 i just lean on the ctrl key if its bad hentai which is pretty often

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:00:16 2018 No.20413886 File: 202 KB, 1080x801, 20181213_125912.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hi, what the fuck? If you say the equivalent of "the steak is good," you're shitting on everything else??

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:01:41 2018 No.20413891 the steak that sticks out is better than all the other ones that got hammered in : )

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:08:44 2018 No.20413924 File: 115 KB, 273x282, 1503821476653.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20413886 I suppose you could use もif you want to be inclusive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:10:42 2018 No.20413931 >>20413886 That's merely a grammar example. If you want to say specifically "steal is good", there are mostly two ways. ステーキはいい。 - (in general) steak is good ステーキがいい。- (this in specific) steak is good

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:10:56 2018 No.20413934 >>20413039 What the fuck bitch; yes. Most people tell you to start reading at about 1k at the latest. I hope you're studying grammar as well, and not just being a flashcard drone.

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:15:05 2018 No.20413954

>>20413891
>>20413924
>>20413931
Like i get it i'm just surprised that it's that easy to accidentally say something that could potentially be super rude. Reminds me of that anecdote from that old book where the author goes "kyou ha the food is tasty" and the host was like "oh so the other nights its been shit huh"

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:16:39 2018 No.20413961 maybe you should just fuckin learn the severity of wa

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:29:26 2018 No.20414027 File: 78 KB, 495x559, nwPM8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20413886 が is logical particle は is non-logical particle

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:30:07 2018 No.20414028 >一男 This language's system for names is so fucking stupid

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:30:52 2018 No.20414035 maybe you should learn about the culture which then influences the language then and youll see it makes a lot of sense : )

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>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:39:54 2018 No.20414086 File: 41 KB, 609x512, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] get out those genkis boys

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:44:58 2018 No.20414120 >>20414086 Shes so fucking cute...

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:45:25 2018 No.20414123

>>20413954
Even in English if you say "Today the food is tasty" after eating for several days, it can be interpreted as saying this only applies to today, thus the other days it wasn't tasty probably.
Maybe if you dropped a "totemo" it would be interpreted as today being more tasty than usual.

Anyways, generally in Japanese if you specify an "obvious" part of the sentence that you can normally omit, you are going out of your way to give it meaning.
It wouldn't be not even necessary to include "food", but specifying that isn't gonna change much unless you are talking about one type of food over the other.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:50:03 2018 No.20414147 yeah but i think unless you say that in a funny way to go out of your way to give it meaning as it were no one would think they are getting slighted

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:55:12 2018 No.20414153
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The Meiji version of the Bible has the table of contents where the Epistles are marked with a 逹 in front of every title (e.g., 逹羅馬人書—Epistle to the Romans). Do you guys know what this 逹 is? It's a Level 2 JIS X 0208 表外 that does not appear in the Chinese 康熙字典, so I guess my theory about it being some kind of a Chinese prefix ヘ is not correct. Is it some native proto新字体 of 達? If so, how do you use it in this context? How do you read it? タツ?

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:55:34 2018 No.20414155

>>20414147
Obviously it also depends on how you said "today".
If you gave it a tone of emphasis accidentally, the listener may indeed suspect you are making subtle criticism.

In the end it's not a fixed rule, some people are simply more sensitive regardless of language.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:57:35 2018 No.20414168 Can I just add 御 to stuff like 推薦状 to make it more polite?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 14:59:57 2018 No.20414185 right so when you break status quo by pointing out something that usually is not most of the time its taken as an issue or inadequacy

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:16:01 2018 No.20414282 dont invent nihongo

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:19:18 2018 No.20414299 dont reinvent the syarin lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:20:41 2018 No.20414310 鼈. is there a rarer kanji

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:22:04 2018 No.20414317 >>20413117 Thank you for keeping track Anon. DJT is a legacy, a piece of imageboard culture that needs to keep going.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:25:50 2018 No.20414340 gotta make sure you number the shits

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:29:23 2018 No.20414364 >>20414340 why do you keep making them you desperate faggot?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:30:13 2018 No.20414368 >>20414085 プリティグウド

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:31:34 2018 No.20414373 im not this threads op mate

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:38:27 2018 No.20414415 >>20414085 How do you avoid this? も instead of the は？

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:39:33 2018 No.20414420 >>20414415 You just throw out a さりげないうまい and let him figure it out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:43:04 2018 No.20414447 >>20413866 same here, why does that happen?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:45:52 2018 No.20414459 >>20414447 no point unless you fap, and I don't fap

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 15:50:25 2018 No.20414485 if you dont jack off or otherwise have sex youll just cum all over yourself in the middle of the night really sux to wake up cold and sticky so enjoy your hentai dojinshi and keep your pipes clean lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 16:27:14 2018 No.20414665 >>20414485 why do you type this goofy shit so often man?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 16:33:53 2018 No.20414693 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KElish3lTk4

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 16:51:00 2018 No.20414772 >>20414693 cool i'll be waiting for someone to link the part where he speaks japanese

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 16:54:05 2018 No.20414789 >>20414310 >>20414153

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 16:56:45 2018 No.20414798 what goofy shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:10:01 2018 No.20414847 File: 672 KB, 463x572, jaws.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20412989 Is there anything easier to read than よつばと！or do I still need to anki and grammar grind?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:18:53 2018 No.20414879 >>20414847 probably, a lot of the stuff yotsuba says is kind of difficult to parse for beginners i found からかい上手の高木さん and flying witch a bit easier to follow when i was starting out

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:19:48 2018 No.20414881 >>20414847 Reading whatever you're interested in is psuedo easier because you won't notice that your comprehension sucks so much when you are enjoying media

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:32:21 2018 No.20414921 >>20414772 What does it feel like to be so bad at japanese.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:44:38 2018 No.20414962 i quit that vid after this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KElish3lTk4#t=17 didnt even last 30 seconds also second for excitedly awaiting when someone links him doing nihongo

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:45:44 2018 No.20414966 videos of him speaking japanese have been posted here so why do people still respond with the "have him speak japanese" meme

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:50:27 2018 No.20414984 >>20414966 yeah sorry we're not all up to date on ajatter lore

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:51:35 2018 No.20414987 >>20414984 yea you are because you're here constantly and people update you. i know you've seen those videos so why the meme dude...

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:52:34 2018 No.20414995 >>20414966 They were talking about the guy being interviewed, not Matt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:54:45 2018 No.20414999 yea weve all gotten plenty of enjoyment out of the 3 matt vids

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:55:16 2018 No.20415004 not even jamal has recorded himself speaking in japanese at length which is weird because you could use a voice changer if you want to remain anonymous. i think it's fair to infer that you're all worse than these ajatters.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:59:21 2018 No.20415016 to that i say https://streamable.com/f43ix

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:01:55 2018 No.20415025 >>20415004 we're also not recording hour long self-congratulatory podcasts about our stupid fucking journey with japanese you know what's cringier than speaking japanese to other gaijin? being an insecure fraud.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:03:35 2018 No.20415032 >>20414995 Every Matt interview > Say I do AJATT > Say I understand 90% of shows > Say how easy JLPT practice tests are > Never speak Japanese > Never get tested in Japanese

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:03:57 2018 No.20415035

>>20415025
>we're also not recording hour long self-congratulatory podcasts about our stupid fucking journey with japanese
OK and it's fair to critique them on the grounds that they're overselling their ability, but if you don't explain yourself you come off almost exactly the same as them.

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:06:25 2018 No.20415044

>>20415032
say what you want about nuke but even he tries to test these ajatters on their ability by asking them to take j-cat.

but for some reason they never do take it. they run into some trouble getting flash to load on the j-cat site and use that as an excuse to ignore it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:06:57 2018 No.20415048 heres your explanation https://vocaroo.com/i/s1XiDGLYtzE6

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:08:53 2018 No.20415061

Matt is so fucking biased. He is extremely strict on anyone who is not exactly an ajatter, while giving ajjatters almost a free pace to be shit. This guy has a degree in japanese been with the language since 2009 and lived in japan for a while but is still worse than many people on this thread. Typical cult practice of acting abusive to non members. If he talked to me he would find so many ways to nitpick even though I am better than the guy he deemed worthy of interviewing for learning the language.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:09:30 2018 No.20415065 I'm reading a magazine and it has the sentence '次号（12月20日発売）掲載予定のインタビューでは秘密に近づけるかもつ気になる人は'. Does the '気になる人は' part mean that the interviewee is someone that the reader is going to be interested in?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:10:03 2018 No.20415068 >>20415061 >but is still worse than many people on this thread lol >>20415004

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:10:24 2018 No.20415073 >>20415048 reminds me of mask off but better

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Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:14:46 2018 No.20415100
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Trying to read a mango, suddenly this fucker
>錐囊を脱す
shows up
I cant figure out that thing on the beginning. I'm guessing the whole thing its some sort of expression (the bag escaped the drill?) since it doesn't show on any dictionary I've tried.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:15:06 2018 No.20415102 >>20415061 https://youtu.be/KElish3lTk4?t=38m40s Sums it up perfectly

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:16:08 2018 No.20415105 >>20415065 Post a screenshot of the text.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:19:02 2018 No.20415129 >>20415102 I'm not clicking on this because I don't want to be spoiled. I'll watch the video in its entirety after watching some JFZ videos.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:19:03 2018 No.20415131 >>20415105 Fuck my life, I used OnlineOCR to rip the text from the PDF and it messed up and I was too sleepy to notice. Crisis averted, thanks for offering to help.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:19:09 2018 No.20415132 >>20415100 Have you tried the Google dictionary?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:20:33 2018 No.20415143 File: 40 KB, 405x320, 1527221716700.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >enjoy jpop >don't understand the lyrics at all >learn japanese >understand the lyrics >it was all just nonsense anyway

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:20:33 2018 No.20415144 >>20415102 若いっていいね lol

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:20:42 2018 No.20415146

major red flag: matt's been studying japanese for 7 years and has only read about 50 books

that's 8 books a year if he started reading after one year

i don't really see how he can have such an incredible vocabulary as he claims with that little reading, he must be incredible at flashtarding

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:21:57 2018 No.20415155 >>20415146 >he must be incredible at flashtarding catch up on your **** lore because he was pretty autistic with his flashtarding. he started SRSing every single unknown word he encountered.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:24:47 2018 No.20415172 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp85GcFrfmA how long have you been "learning" japanese and how much of this can you understand

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:26:50 2018 No.20415183

>>20415044
Honest question: how much has Nukemarine helped Matt become popular? Nuke's fucking useless at Japanese, but is also is seen as a nice guy that wants to help. Matt was fluent but seen as an asshole that just pissed on others. Nuke posts his interview with Matt, and later posts Matt's talk with the Japanese from Zero guy on YouTube. After that, Matt's patreon went from $500 to almost $2500 in six months.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:27:51 2018 No.20415187 >>20415172 this is cool much better than the stuff you usually post i wasn't going to click because i didn't want to listen to another miyachi struggle bar

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:27:59 2018 No.20415189 >>20415172 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkt5nT60xBA#t=249

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:29:01 2018 No.20415196 >>20415187 that wasnt me i dont post that crap thats just one of my lil homies

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:30:15 2018 No.20415201 >>20415100 Drill bag removal obviously.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:31:29 2018 No.20415206 >>20415183 We do not speak of nuke in this thread. He is subhuman white trash who deserves to be deported to whatever shit flyover state he spawned from.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:31:54 2018 No.20415209 >>20415183 i don't think nuke has that kind of clout he gets like 20 views per video and 0 to 2 on his steams (sorry nuke if you're reading this i'll always love you )

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:32:59 2018 No.20415212 >>20415206 your race is more trash tho

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:33:06 2018 No.20415213 >>20415100 https://kotobank.jp/word/%E9%8C%90%E5%9B%8A%E3%82%92%E8%84%B1%E3%81%99-247142 First thing on google.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:35:36 2018 No.20415222 File: 11 KB, 221x242, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >nuke marine

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:36:30 2018 No.20415229 >>20415196 i should have known japanese rap is honestly terrible the only song i heard that i actually like is RGTO

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:38:32 2018 No.20415238 >>20415132 I did, nothing there >>20415201 Based >>20415213 Didn't show up for me for whatever reason, bookmarked. And thanks

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:38:37 2018 No.20415239 >>20415229 theres so much good shit if u look past the wiggers like this its so good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUV3eq1tqlI

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:42:36 2018 No.20415263 >>20415239 sorry man i can't fuck with that 2004 gym class heroes beat

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:43:02 2018 No.20415264 >>20415212 Sorry for hurting you feelings Nuke. Well now it is confirmed that all military retards are racist, dumb, and fat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:48:10 2018 No.20415295 >>20415263 that shit fuckin sizzles like the 真夏の太陽 my ninja

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:50:26 2018 No.20415307 File: 78 KB, 680x1064, c9f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You can do it! Learning Japanese is easy and fun!

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:55:46 2018 No.20415328

>>20415206
nuke isn't a bad person. nuke is actually a good person. he's just wasting his time. in fact, unlike matt, he hasn't ever actually caused anyone to fail learning japanese for reasons that aren't their own failt, in fact there are already people out there who used nukemarine's materials and ended up getting very good at japanese.

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:56:25 2018 No.20415331

>>20415209
Nuke first meets Matt (4000 views) https://youtu.be/EF4tI9aF_Xc
Nuke records Matt and George (7000 views) https://youtu.be/GjEX3-5Vhyc

These are more viewed than Nuke's normal viedos. I agree it's not Nuke's clout, but these probably changed how people viewed Matt as less of an asshole on Reddit.

If it is about clout, George has 100,000 subs so it could have been his vids that got people to buy into Matt. Actually, that makes more sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:56:30 2018 No.20415332 calling them nukemarines materials is pretty misleading

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:58:02 2018 No.20415335 >>20415206 You sound angry in a "Nuke fucked both my sisters" kind of way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:58:07 2018 No.20415336 i mean yeah but still pretend i said "nukemarine's suggested guide for japanese literacy" then

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:59:08 2018 No.20415340 >>20415331 watch 2+ hours of anime with eng subs instead of these vids and you will instantly be better at nihongo than all parties involved

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:59:57 2018 No.20415345 >>20415336 So RTK, Tae Kim, Core 2k/6k. Now, where's my $500 a month patreon bucks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:03:07 2018 No.20415353 >>20415345 hey nuke spent a lot of time on /r/learnjapanese straight up grinding for those 500 bucks i respect it

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:05:49 2018 No.20415363 thats it im really makin a patreon this time

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:06:59 2018 No.20415368 File: 318 KB, 1150x451, 爆笑.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] and done

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:08:13 2018 No.20415375

>>20415328
He is a bad person. He was a marine, he is married to a japanese lady despite not knowing japanese, he feels entitled to money purely by circumstance, he burdens the healthcare system by being an overweight piece of garbage. What makes him not a bad person?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:08:17 2018 No.20415376 >>20415363 do it i'll throw in a few bucks for a laugh do you have any cool rewards in mind?

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:08:30 2018 No.20415379

>>20415331
>but these probably changed how people viewed Matt as less of an asshole on Reddit.
no reddit hates him even more than djt does, but for the wrong reasons. they really hate immersion for some reason.

on the margins they'll say immersion is good but it's never their first recommendation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:09:34 2018 No.20415381 >>20415375 You sound like an actual racist so please leave.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:14:13 2018 No.20415403 >>20415381 I agree he's being a bit of a dick but where is the racism?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:14:30 2018 No.20415404 >>20415376 i have no idea what it would even be about

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:15:24 2018 No.20415410 >>20415363 i'm a 27 year old neet so you're not getting any money from me

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:15:31 2018 No.20415412 >>20415375 i bet nuke chan would beat your ass straight up lol like wrestling with your dad he would just own the shit outta you

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:17:30 2018 No.20415425 jamal is creating Quality Posts on DJT make up some sob story about real life getting in the way of your shitposting and receiving some neetbux would help motivate you to keep going idk

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:18:55 2018 No.20415430 I've done 307 cards from DoJG in 106 days, so I've averaged about 3 cards a day, but most of those cards were frontloaded and I've gradually stopped doing new ones. I'm not gonna make it.

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:20:53 2018 No.20415445

hey guys i post in a thread no ones heard of and is just about dead so im taking my talents to patreon for 1 us dollar you cna join my official discord chat room (links directly to djt thread) where i link fresh nihongo rap vids and fawn over teh dolleh become a patron today

retard Thu Dec 13 19:21:50 2018 No.20415450

Don't wanna make a new thread for this, but have people here ordered shit through Japanese yahoo listings? What's the best (cheapest) way to buy (import to UK) Japanese electronics?
Will the people on there speak English (I don't speak Japanese lol)?
Looking for a Japanese keyboard for my computer if relevant.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:23:34 2018 No.20415453 idk if its the best but take a look around on rakuten maybe

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:23:44 2018 No.20415454

Oh hey, but while we have you, won't you come back?

If you're not interested in learning kanji anymore, we get it. Good on you. A life where you're not learning how to read kanji–not to mention everything else about the Japanese language–is a much easier life. If you do still want to learn kanji, though, I wanted to let you in on a poorly kept secret:

Between December 18 - January 8, 2019, WaniKani Lifetime accounts will be going on sale. It's the only sale we do every year. Pressure's on, right? But, I don't want you to feel pressured into buying something you don't like, or won't use. I'm telling you this because we're really, really good at marketing, and you may not be able to resist our the wrath of our copy, whether you've completed the free levels or not.

So instead of making a money mistake, I was hoping to convince you to try out WaniKani again. Get educated. Finish the free levels (that's 1-3) to see if WaniKani's mnemonics, spaced repetition, etc., work for you. You'll have enough time before the sale ends to get through it all (and you'll learn 86 kanji and 200+ vocabulary words in a few weeks––many Japanese classes take about a year to achieve the same thing). After you're done, you can make a good decision about that Lifetime account.

And, we've changed some things too. We renamed a bunch of the radicals and rewrote over a thousand mnemonics. I think they're leaps and bounds better than they were before. I hope you give it another shot and learn some kanji in the process. How cool would it be to start reading Japanese books, blogs, and manga before the end of next year?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:29:09 2018 No.20415488 would you wani a kani ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:30:53 2018 No.20415494 >>20415454 no thanks. i feel that your product is basically the worst of both worlds.

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:32:27 2018 No.20415501
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I will have you know wanikani is useful.

Just the other day I was watching a show and one of the characters said 鰐 and an alligator was not even in frame. I was able to understand what they were saying by remembering that the wanikani mascot is a crab alligator and I already knew the word 蟹 so I knew what they were saying.

See it is useful you can stop hating now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:37:16 2018 No.20415517 Alexa, please ban e-celeb posters

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:37:39 2018 No.20415520 File: 123 KB, 500x545, LTR-Level3-front-3D-2069-500x500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 19:44:06 2018 No.20415542 >>20415520 Sometimes I am sad that I already learned japanese. All the weird 3d girl images makes me feel like I am missing out on some awesome beginner material. Also how much do you understand of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkyPpjhWJaQ

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 20:04:56 2018 No.20415626

>>20413039
Both. Definitely both, even if you have to way slow down with Anki, don't stop it, at least not yet.

Also, you should have WAY more suspended cards. I'm at about the same total number as you but have 200 suspended cards, and that's with me suspending a ton of cards.

If you let more cards get suspended, you could be at 2,000 words by now, but instead you're wasting a ton of time on just a few of the most difficult words. If their important, you'll learn them organically from reading anyways.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 20:17:19 2018 No.20415681 I really hate the way the cards are set out in Anki, is there a easy way to get them to just say the word without the kanji present, I can't learn from kanji, only spoken words.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 20:20:03 2018 No.20415697 >>20415681 yea but i don't feel like explaining it to you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 20:22:36 2018 No.20415708 >>20413243 >https://streamable.com/ueb2v I don't understand what you or he's talking about here

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 20:36:02 2018 No.20415772 when learning to write should you ditch mnemonics and force yourself to point blank remember a kanji?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 20:37:03 2018 No.20415780 >>20415697 Thats fine, just knowing it was possible was all I needed. 15 minutes of guesswork got it sorted.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 20:37:52 2018 No.20415788 >>20415780 unironically glad i could help because that's why i bothered responding in the first place. but then i wondered if my post came off as a troll and would be ignored.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 20:59:13 2018 No.20415876 >>20415772 何ザfuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 21:19:02 2018 No.20415949 >>20415681 Figure out how to edit Anki cards to fulfill your petty little learning disabilities without bothering the rest of us.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 21:21:22 2018 No.20415965 >>20415949 >>20415780 Anon learned to fish. Well shit. Now I feel bad about that comment I made.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 21:44:14 2018 No.20416041 >>20412006 gotta revive this post to say it made me laugh

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 21:45:26 2018 No.20416050 >>20415681 Close your eyes, look after you've made a guess to check if it's right

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 21:48:17 2018 No.20416059 I thought this was moved to /int/? There’s literally a thread there right now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 22:04:04 2018 No.20416137 File: 147 KB, 640x615, sensaic[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] こんにちは

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 22:05:33 2018 No.20416143 File: 109 KB, 1200x1200, john-paul-ii-9355652-2-402[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >こんにちは

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 22:13:45 2018 No.20416179 konnitiwa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIXMf7UxcJk#t=525

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 22:15:21 2018 No.20416182 File: 1.09 MB, 1920x1200, 1544458365101.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >今日は

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 22:16:52 2018 No.20416185 ねつさがったまだねつっぽい

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 22:38:08 2018 No.20416286 >>20414962 40:52-41:30 he mentions how he uses anki at most for 20 minutes a day and doesn't recommend anyone grind it. and he says most things he knows is not due to anki but immersion. so you should be praising him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 22:45:47 2018 No.20416310 i mean thats gonna be the case no matter how much flashtarding you do

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 23:19:56 2018 No.20416435 Please stop posting bad japanese, whenever I see it I become anxious that it's going to stick in my brain and ruin my learning. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 23:23:12 2018 No.20416447 >>20416435 How do you know its not good japanese? Maybe you’re just bad desuwa

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 23:23:14 2018 No.20416448 >>20416435 の

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 23:30:14 2018 No.20416470 >>20416435 あいは　いいえ　計画　二　止めます

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 00:02:08 2018 No.20416571 >>20414847 Buy a 語彙制限本 (graded reader). These books have stories written for grades 1-6, with the grade number written on the cover. They are mostly ひらがま, with only kanji appropriate for the listed grade level.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 00:02:39 2018 No.20416577 わたしはゲイ <---良い日本語

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 00:06:28 2018 No.20416591 I've been away for two (2) whole days and you fucks still haven't made any good new memes. I guess that's what happens when a thread is 100% laggards and 0% innovators. I'm gone with the 風 now so @ me if you want.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 00:12:23 2018 No.20416611 File: 6 KB, 246x836, 1544603655508.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20416591 You want a meme?

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 02:29:06 2018 No.20416721

is there an epwing dictionary that has pitch accent. I downloaded that rutracker link that has a bunch of dictionarys but daijirin, koujien and kenkyuusha dont have it. I thought koujien was supposed to have those brackets that tell you where the accent is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 02:35:33 2018 No.20416751 かぜはひとにうつすとなおりがはやいといういいつたえがあるだれかもらって

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 02:36:09 2018 No.20416754 Remember to trim/shave your pubes for maximum Japanese learning efficiency.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 02:46:28 2018 No.20416802 File: 277 KB, 1006x204, ちっちぇ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20416754

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 02:47:30 2018 No.20416806 >>20416754 What does that have to do with Japanese learning efficiency?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 02:47:48 2018 No.20416808 >>20416802 Akane is better

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 02:48:29 2018 No.20416811 >>20416806 Everything

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 02:50:00 2018 No.20416821 is kitsunekko down. how long has it been

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 02:51:37 2018 No.20416828 >>20416821 I downloaded something a but under an hour ago, so less than an hour.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 03:12:53 2018 No.20416902 >>20416571 They're exactly what I'm looking for but way too expensive.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 03:13:53 2018 No.20416905 >>20414847 >>20415100 Manga isn't reading.

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 03:18:27 2018 No.20416912

>>20413886
it tells you everything you need to know and you still mistranslate and misunderstand
is this the power of djt
>>20413931
no this is the power of djt how much scanlation do you do
>>20414027
based
>>20415102
>you shouldnt tell people what youre doing until it has results unless its exactly what i say
based based based based holy shit so fucking based
striped post over nothing else in the thread could be this based

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 03:24:23 2018 No.20416941 >>20416902 overrated theyre designed to accomplish one thing and that is to make you buy more of them because youre afraid of real reading just struggle a bit and youll get much further

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 03:25:19 2018 No.20416943 File: 540 KB, 948x400, は.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 03:27:46 2018 No.20416952 If you say the equivalent of "as for this time," you're shitting on every other time??

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 03:29:41 2018 No.20416961 there are some things for which the default interpretation of は is not contrastive and time/place/matter are some such things however it still makes a good gag to go "don't you mean も"

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 03:32:19 2018 No.20416968 >>20416952 Japanese shitting on time constantly is how they're able to live such long lives

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 03:34:40 2018 No.20416975 if you dont shit on time youll be late for work and thats a big mistake for a good salaryman

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 04:00:29 2018 No.20417016

What's the most effective way to use RTK?
I know this will probably attract some RTK haters who will want to say this like "the best way is to just not do it" but I'm specifically asking how to best utilize it.

For those who have used RTK, how did you go about learning new Kanji, making up stories and reviewing? I'm currently at 250 Kanji and i learn 25 every day. Problem is that progress is quite slow because i'm writing out the story to each Kanji as well as i'm learning them because i think it might help me remember the stories better, but maybe that's a fucking waste of time and i should instead just imagine the story and then repeat it in my head as i write out the Kanji. As it stands the writing of the stories takes up about 70% of the time. Takes me up to 2 hours just to get the 25 new ones and then comes the Anki review.

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 04:08:11 2018 No.20417033

>>20417016
the best way is to just not do it
word for word
you can improve using rtk bit by bit in objective ways until eventually rtk is no longer part of the process at all and that's also better than any series of optimizations that results in still having rtk

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 04:15:05 2018 No.20417065 >>20417016 i did rtk and all i can tell you is dont do it demo daijob gambare

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 04:45:08 2018 No.20417144

>>20417016
Learn most common 500 kanji in RTK order is best way. Use those to learn up to 2000 common words. Repeat with next set of 500 kanji and 2000 words. Repeat two more times. All the while watch Anime with Japanese subtitles and read manga and light novels everyday.

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 05:01:15 2018 No.20417186

聞こえる tips:
「が」聞こえる => can hear something. eg. 娘の呼ぶ声が聞こえた, i heard my daughter calling me.
「に」‘‘聞こえる => sounds like something. eg.彼女の言うことは本音に聞こえた　her words sounded sincere.

excellent example showing that it maps the way you'd expect in english:
君の発音だと collar が color に聞こえる　the way you pronounce it, "collar" sounds like "color."

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 05:14:42 2018 No.20417223 >あの緑の岩で出来た場所から >ゴブリンは来る >The goblins come from that green rock. what function has the 出来た? does this imply goblins beeing made/born there and its just left out?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 05:18:26 2018 No.20417238 >>20417223 hint: they're not coming from behind "a rock"

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 05:25:41 2018 No.20417260 >>20417186 alternatively just feel what が and に mean

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 06:18:30 2018 No.20417469 >>20417223 リアルではいいにくいけどあのアニメきらい

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 07:13:50 2018 No.20417719

I'm reading this sentence and my English understanding of the word is tripping me up:

主人公が剣を使役するために、なにかを代償にしているのだろうか？

Does the second part mean that the character is offering the sword some sort of compensation for using it? Or is it a general statement that the character is compensating somehow for being able to use the sword? It's some chuuni shit and the sword is satient, so the former is actually plausible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 07:33:40 2018 No.20417816 Reminder that manga, LNs and novels are not reading and never will be.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 07:34:48 2018 No.20417821 File: 233 KB, 640x360, read manga ftw.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 07:39:41 2018 No.20417841 File: 190 KB, 1400x843, aaaa.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20416721 daijirin

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 07:45:05 2018 No.20417872 >>20417719 well its not a statementのだろうか？

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 07:55:16 2018 No.20417915 >>20417719 Seems the speaker is wondering if MC is sacrificing something in order to get that sword working.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 08:21:09 2018 No.20418040 Are all smartphone Japanese keyboards a nightmare to type on or am I doing it wrong?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 08:33:07 2018 No.20418114 >>20417816 Just stop. There's a reason Manga is cautioned against being the only source of reading.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 08:35:29 2018 No.20418130 >>20418040 What smartphone keyboard isn't a nightmare?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 08:36:55 2018 No.20418134 i learned epic nihongo from my mama and YouTube こいよふざけてみな

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 08:38:16 2018 No.20418144 click to learn epic nihongo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pge2nb979k

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 08:48:15 2018 No.20418190 File: 6 KB, 203x248, Projects (14).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ふわふわぷかり https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PKCB2aXe1I

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 08:49:00 2018 No.20418195 dead in less than 15 seconds

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 08:57:59 2018 No.20418225

>>20418040
both
there are some shortcuts like not actually needing small kana or dakuten if youre going to convert anyway play around with it but it still sucks
>>20418144
good shit but isnt it time for holiday tunes
>>20418190
repetition is the key i think i finally got クリスタル down

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 09:02:25 2018 No.20418248 this is the best i can do for u https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVcfcttewXk

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 09:28:35 2018 No.20418352
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>>20414693
so this said he spent like 15 hours a week on active studying and he called it his 'hardcore' AJATT phase? and he basically learned communicative Japanese in 8 months???

why can't Nuke do it? literal kids do that faster than that old fart

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 09:29:04 2018 No.20418355 >>20418130 English and Chinese keyboard that can correctly predict what I tried to type. It feels like Japanese keyboards make 0 attempt at prediction.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 09:30:31 2018 No.20418361 >>20418352 because nuke chan likes his hobby and has completely ignored the idea of an end to the means lol

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 09:48:10 2018 No.20418410

>>20418248
thats a start i expect one a day or im gonna have to step in and you know what that means
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05iJIxm05rc
>>20418355
nihonjin dont make mistakes
>>20418361
dont make fun of his hobbies being nuke is just as valid as ntr

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 09:53:37 2018 No.20418431 never said it wasnt valid was just bein objective also sorry dude thats the 1 christmas song i can think of real ninjas are shootin and lootin on xmas namean

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 09:58:26 2018 No.20418442 ok i thought of 1 more that counts but its also not on yt https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x92c5m

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 10:25:16 2018 No.20418565 File: 150 KB, 1084x905, 6505994876031297936.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idhCoUG5caE&t=1s ニューゲームアプリ

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 10:30:26 2018 No.20418593

>>20418352
If it's like every other Matt interview, it's just some guy talking about how he understands 90% of what he watches without any way to gauge his ability to include just a short conversation in Japanese. People shit on Nuke because he's upfront about his level and even posts his J-CAT scores. Yeah, he's shit at Japanese, but he helps people and seems to be serious about learning now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 10:35:42 2018 No.20418626 i dont think nuke helps anyone unless you wanna wrangle me some nuke chan success stories

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 10:42:47 2018 No.20418650 >>20418626 Are you fucking stupid? The DJT page literally shares Nuke's 2k/6k "optimized" deck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 10:44:07 2018 No.20418653 the prosecution rests its case ur honour

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 10:54:19 2018 No.20418685 >>20418626 nuke's stuff helped me a lot in the beginning when I was treading water with genki actually at the very least he doesn't give actually harmful advice like nihongo master matt

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 10:55:51 2018 No.20418691 >>20418650 That deck only makes core's problems 5 times worse. Use vncore.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 10:56:36 2018 No.20418694 also wanna make it clear i dont think nuke is harmful i just dont think adding him to anything makes people get better at nihongo

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 11:14:38 2018 No.20418757 File: 6 KB, 441x100, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20415445 >teh dolleh

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 11:15:52 2018 No.20418762

>>20417016
I wouldn't recommend RTK and I shouldn't give you advice because you're going to ignore my recommendation and do RTK anyway. But I'll tell you what worked for me. Writing out the stories alone didn't do anything and I stopped doing it after 500 kanji or so. After that I put myself on a 2 minute repeating timer and would spend 2 minutes quickly scanning for a story I liked on the kanji koohii website and then spend the remainder of the time closing my eyes and intensely visualizing/playing out the story in my head. Often times a story/kanji would be particularly difficult and I would spend more than 2 minutes (particularly if I wanted to modify the story a bit), but 2 minutes was what I aimed for. I maintained 90% retention doing this.

And perhaps doing that and writing the story would have been even better but writing the story took more time that I didn't want to spend. I didn't write the kanji on paper after the 500 mark either. I started writing them in the air. But my memory of the kanji was so strong that I wouldn't make mistakes in the middle of writing them, so long as I actually knew which kanji it was. That said, my mature card retention was around 82-85%.

Again, I don't recommend RTK. I did 25 per day but it took me hours to learn the new ones and to do the daily 120-180 reviews. And it hasn't helped me much in reading. So I view it as mostly a waste of time. Maybe lazy kanji is worth it since I imagine it's really really easy to do compared to english word on front -> kanji on back. I bet I could do the 1k most common characters in RTK order (Matt and Nuke try to offer this kinda thing) in 10 days doing that method. It may even take a bit more time than the normal way, but there's no way in hell it's as mentally draining.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 11:17:15 2018 No.20418774 >>20418352 I'm surprised by the number of AJATTers who only did like 1 hour of active immersion a day but still got OK results in a year. That ninja warrior Australian guy did the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 12:31:05 2018 No.20419136 >>20418410 Fuck you This language is good to type on a keyboard but there's no excuse for being unable to predict Japanese when plenty of keyboards can predict Chinese insanely accurately.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 12:33:01 2018 No.20419143 any interesting podcasts/youtube channels in nihongo?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 12:35:46 2018 No.20419157 dont watch anything from nhk they are bullshitters

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 12:51:54 2018 No.20419228 >>20419136 isnt it easier for algorithms to guess word boundaries in mandarin than in japanese its a mistake to consider the languages similar on the basis of kanji alone

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 12:58:26 2018 No.20419253 >>20419143 三四郎オールナイトニッポン

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 13:01:52 2018 No.20419262
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How long should i be doing anki and tk only. I'm on day 9 now at 20 cards per day.
I was thinking that i should keep at this pace and then start reading at the new year. Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 13:08:27 2018 No.20419285 lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 13:26:32 2018 No.20419326 >>20419262 you should have started reading 9 days ago

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 14:07:49 2018 No.20419509 >>20419262 As long as you finish tk by then but theres nothing stopping you from reading it in a week

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 14:43:20 2018 No.20419621

Can someone please help me with grammar?
I'm not sure I got it right. (also sorry for my presumably bad english)
私は、英語が話せるようになってくれるといい
と思ったり、難しくて、嫌いになったら困ると心配したりしていた。それでも、親が口を出して、子供にいやがられてはいけないと思って、「今日は何を勉強したの」とたずねられないでいた。

As a person who could speak good english I was worried that there will be some problems — kids will hate english if they find it hard. And yet, completely ignoring this possibility (kids hating eng), parents were meddling with kids asking stuff like (so what have you learned today?)

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 14:47:31 2018 No.20419636 really bro

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 16:42:28 2018 No.20420170

>>20418774
In a day, you can only gain so much before your brain needs to sleep on stuff.

It's partially about quantity, sure, but it's also mostly about just working to reduce the gaps between when you do Japanese shit.

The person who reads and listens a bit throughout the day is probably gonna be better off than the person who dedicates just an hour and nothing more to it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 16:50:14 2018 No.20420202 >>20415501 クククッポケットモンスター金銀をプレイしたら鰐が覚えたかも知らなくて、「ワニノコ」ってポケモンは鰐の子ですよ。プレイすればプレイするほど良くなりそうね

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 18:01:22 2018 No.20420561 File: 380 KB, 495x425, shut it down.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 18:03:53 2018 No.20420576 why is this thread so dead today

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 18:08:36 2018 No.20420602 >>20420576 cuz jamal spent all day making the trash above you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 18:08:54 2018 No.20420604 File: 27 KB, 710x456, 1535429873206.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 18:09:56 2018 No.20420612 i dont make trash i shut it down

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 18:12:41 2018 No.20420626 Does anyone sub short video clips? These girls speak so fast and I can't pick up anything! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3z2TsN8KvA

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 18:14:09 2018 No.20420634 0 interest in your poopteen.tv vid

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 18:18:34 2018 No.20420659 >>20420626 the fuck are you watching?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 18:24:24 2018 No.20420693 >>20413503 >tfw it took me a solid 15 seconds of trying to hover over it with yomichan when I was reading to realize that I'm a retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 18:38:01 2018 No.20420760 >>20413503 日本の年の漢字かも一方/DJT/の年の漢字は「忘」であろう。

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 18:56:06 2018 No.20420841 >>20415626 new here, when should I be suspending cards? Also should I be memorizing the sentences too or just the meanings of the words?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:02:03 2018 No.20420854 suspend all your cards permanently by sending them to your computers recycling centre

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:08:40 2018 No.20420882 >>20420841 suspend them when you start getting pissed off that you keep forgetting it over and over and over again. also start reading asap

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:08:58 2018 No.20420883 >>20420841 >最初の５００個ぐらい漢字をアンキで覚える >その後、アンキを消して本を読んで始める単純

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:14:21 2018 No.20420912 >>20420882 how tf am I supposed to read when I know twenty words

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:16:46 2018 No.20420918 >>20420912 20 words is plenty to read porn

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:17:20 2018 No.20420922 >>20420912 ５００漢字 = 数千個の実用的な言葉それから限界がない。

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:17:50 2018 No.20420923 >>20420912 Reading is more about knowing grammar because dictionaries exist so start reading

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:18:49 2018 No.20420928 >>20420912 I thought you were this guy >>20413039 In any case, Japanese is a unique language in that if you spend enough time staring at something that you don't understand, your mind will be able to infer its meaning out of thin air.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:20:10 2018 No.20420931 >>20420928 that sounds like bullshit but I'm inclined to believe you

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:20:47 2018 No.20420935 just feel the meaning

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:24:02 2018 No.20420950 File: 109 KB, 1326x702, feel the epic win.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:25:36 2018 No.20420964 If I spend all my time reading manga and watching anime, will I be completely disillusioned to japanese culture? Surely the normal people there are not weebs

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:30:59 2018 No.20420996 those things can exude culture im not sure what ur asking

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:44:01 2018 No.20421042 >>20420964 I think you've got it the wrong way round, you watch manga and read anime.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:44:30 2018 No.20421047 >>20420912 I remember finishing RTK + kana and then furiously fapping to raw doujinshi while guessing the readings of characters using my anime vocabulary. It was hell but my knowledge acquisition rate was probably as high as it's ever gotten

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 19:59:02 2018 No.20421103 does someone have a link or torrent for 大辞林第三版

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 20:18:32 2018 No.20421202 >>20421103 The EPWING is in the OP.

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 20:36:59 2018 No.20421306

>>20420841
I don't suspend cards because I ok with just doing 10 new words daily, if you want to go faster then you can just let the program autosuspend.
I don't think memorizing the sentences is that useful at the start, but once you get going it's a nice way to see how a new word is used.
Also like the other guy said, start using the language asap, be it reading or listening or whatever.
It will be annoying at first when it takes you forever to even figure out where the words begin and end so you can search them on jisho but if you keep at it it will become easier and faster really quickly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:13:31 2018 No.20421546 >>20420841 If you're not memorizing the sentences naturally you should stop. Sentences and scenes from naruto still pop up in my head every time I see a word I've learned from there.

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:35:21 2018 No.20421692

>>20413039
Yea dude 1600 mature is a little late if anything. You should always be doing both. You want your brain to sart wiring those words to the language centers in your brain. Hopefully your starting to hear the words in your other content if you're not reading.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:37:15 2018 No.20421700 >>20421306 I try to get it so I can read the sentences really quick. Seems like the faster I read it the better I understand it as a whole concept. The slower you read the more your brain divides things.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:40:29 2018 No.20421713 File: 352 KB, 1366x768, Screenshot from 2018-12-14 18-38-51.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is おるあるin かんさいべん?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:42:59 2018 No.20421722 File: 10 KB, 328x128, Screenshot from 2018-12-14 03-45-59.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what words have you learned today?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:43:53 2018 No.20421725 >>20413071 >>20413934 >>20415626 >>20421692 Idk m8 every time I read my brain turns to mush

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:44:28 2018 No.20421728 >>20421722 枯れる危険池

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:46:12 2018 No.20421731 [DELETED]

>>20413039

i would sentence mind and learn sentences that way
i would recommend learning common sentences using memrise and then moving on to clozemaster and then after clozemaster, read some yotsuba
anki is a waste of time up to a certain point

i don't even use anki anymore

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:47:28 2018 No.20421736 >>20421731 sentence mine*

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:47:52 2018 No.20421738 >>20421722 That was among the first words I learned when I came here.

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:47:58 2018 No.20421740
File: 19 KB, 302x241, asd.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

what does it mean if it has two numbers here. does that mean it could be pronounced like the 0 form or on the second mora? the only difference in this case would be the pitch of what comes after it right?

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:49:07 2018 No.20421750

>>20421725
It's completely normal if you're not used to learning languages. You can always look up stuff you forgot, it's not about only reading stuff you understand completely.
The more you encounter text you don't understand at first but figure out during the process the more progress you make.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:50:32 2018 No.20421761 >>20421725 I still suck at reading but only after a month or so I'm a million times better already. It sucks balls hard at first but you grow quick.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:51:09 2018 No.20421764 how important is finishing tae kim compared to Core2k? I only have about an hour per day so 20 new words per day is kind of a lot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:52:34 2018 No.20421770 >>20421306 Where do you find the raw manga to read? I'm not in any private trackers or anything

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:54:22 2018 No.20421773 >>20421770 Japan >>20421722 偏頭痛, very much not by choice

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:55:13 2018 No.20421776

>>20421764
I skimmed tae kim while doing vncore, after finishing them I did the dojg deck while immersing and sentence mining. I'm pretty lazy so this was the easiest/most efficient way I could find to start aquiring raw content faster. I do a lot of audio book shadiw reading too. Daiweeb/animelon for listening/reading pattern recon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:57:23 2018 No.20421783 The real question is: When does reading start getting more comfortable? The real answer is 2k. https://www.strawpoll.me/14781241 Also manga isn't reading https://www.strawpoll.me/15808505

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:58:41 2018 No.20421790 自信モテ生キヨ　生キトシ生クルモノ　スベテ　コレ　罪ノ子ナレバ I can't understand this at all. The characters explained what this "meant" but I'm not satisfied with that. All the context it has is that it's signed on a copy of dazai osamu's "bannen"

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:02:48 2018 No.20421808

>>20421783
Interesting that it seems to go up with the numbers (1k is first, 2k is second) but then 4k and 5k are suddenly at the bottom. I guess that can parallel a form of intermediate hell where people tend to start more difficult content around there and suddenly can't read as well anymore.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:05:58 2018 No.20421824 私はゲイこの書き込みを読んで不快になる方がいましたら申し訳ないです。

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:06:05 2018 No.20421825 >>20421783 >1 thousand words that's bullshit unless you consider looking up a bunch of words every sentence to be comfortable it's more like 10 thousand words that's when you get truly comfortable

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:06:53 2018 No.20421831 >>20419621 >>20421783 same pathetic fag

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:07:57 2018 No.20421837 >>20421825 I wish this thread had less obvious baits that beginners don't understand.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:08:12 2018 No.20421839 >>20421825 1k voter here, define "comfortable" I could read NHK Easy comfortably at 1k words, which carried me to 2k words, then I read scripts for Virtual Youtubahs which carried me to 4k words. All comfortably.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:08:47 2018 No.20421841 >>20421825 you do realize that if 500 words was on that list that would be the correct answer right use your galaxy brain to figure out why : )

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:10:43 2018 No.20421848

>>20421839
exactly, I could read some content damn near perfectly without looking up anything at 2k words, but it was even after 1k I really felt like I was out of the mud at least and I was actually starting to move and have a little fun in the language

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:28:28 2018 No.20421935 >>20421825 The more the better obviously, but I noticed big improvements every 500 words until 2000 where the ease smoothed out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:31:41 2018 No.20421950 >>20421783 Why do morons argue with poll results as if it undermines their worldview? Just accept you're a fucking ugly little butterfly on the spectrum so real people are going to be different.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:35:35 2018 No.20421968 >>20421825 I know around 1k words and I don't care about having to use a dictionary because its always the grammar thats uncomfortable

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:36:30 2018 No.20421974

>>20421839
Comfortable has been defined as the time when having to look up words in the dictionary become less frequent, to a point where you're actually reading for more time than time spent looking up words. This is why 2k is the real answer. Still too many lookups at 1k.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:38:09 2018 No.20421980 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:46:27 2018 No.20422014 >>20421974 NHK Easy at 1k is basically just looking up 2 words per article so you're wrong

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:50:03 2018 No.20422032 >>20421761 For example bit you don't understand do you just gloss over it or do you look it up?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:50:09 2018 No.20422033 >>20422014 NHK easy isn't standard reading material, it's catered to learners. We're talking about real reading material here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:51:12 2018 No.20422040 >>20422032 For every bit*

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:54:08 2018 No.20422059 >>20422033 Fuck off, NHK Easy is still reading. The point is you're not going cards and are now immersing in content.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:54:30 2018 No.20422061 what is the point of having ten different ways to say each kanji

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:57:10 2018 No.20422070 >>20422059 I'd rather do a bit more flashcards (that 2k sweet spot) and read proper materials than reading your babby shit catered for learners and written like news for down syndrome nips, full of furigana and definitions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:00:35 2018 No.20422083 >>20422061 that's an entry level complaint. try posting something like "why the fuck do 木 and 樹 have the same reading, meaning, etc" next time

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:01:54 2018 No.20422086 >>20422083 if きmeans tree and is already one letter, why do you need 木

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:04:16 2018 No.20422095

>>20422040
I keep rereading and if that still fails I use Yomi, then if that fails I try google add on. Rarely I can't figure it out. After I do get it, I reread it a few times, never read out loud, it distracts you from understanding as well. Then when I'm done reading I go back and do a quick review of the whole page with a skim through. Takes a while but it's advancing me pretty fast. Some harder things you're just not going to understand for now though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:04:38 2018 No.20422097 >>20422083 How about the fact that if you want to say that you have a good stomach, you have to say いい胃, which is like an 8 second sustained い?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:06:32 2018 No.20422106 >>20422097 you can use はら or おなか too

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:06:52 2018 No.20422109 >>20422097 Wouldn't that be a sustained い followed by a regular い？

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:08:07 2018 No.20422112 >>20422109 there's no spaces when japanese people talk, one of the tricky things about the spoken language

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:08:39 2018 No.20422118

>>20422106
Yet 27 100 people decided to go with いい胃.

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=730UXLSEBO-Mggef1L44&q=%22%E3%81%84%E3%81%84%E8%83%83%22&btnK=Google+Search&oq=%22%E3%81%84%E3%81%84%E8%83%83%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1260.4265..5010...0.0..0.218.575.0j3j1......0....1j2..gws-wiz.....0..0j0i131j0i3.awNcBGiw9tI

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:08:58 2018 No.20422120 >>20422112 what about when they gotta take a breath

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:09:24 2018 No.20422122 File: 92 KB, 1544x849, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:09:34 2018 No.20422124 >>20422120 only amature nihongoers breath

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:11:33 2018 No.20422132 >>20422070 >I'd rather do flash cards ... than your baby shit The fucking irony

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:12:32 2018 No.20422138 >>20422070 I'm going to eat your baby shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:14:44 2018 No.20422146 >>20421839 >then I read scripts for Virtual Youtubahs where do you find scripts? man I wish there were scripts for all content in japanese.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:14:56 2018 No.20422148 How many of you have actually been to Japan? Is the coffee good?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:15:11 2018 No.20422149 >>20422132 >>20422138 Have fun spending 99% of your time "reading" looking words in the dictionary. I'll be waiting for you at the finish line.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:16:15 2018 No.20422156 >>20422149 I thought there was no finish line and learning the language was a journey where the reward is the friends you made along the way

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:16:29 2018 No.20422157 >>20421841 not him but i can't figure it out. why is 500 good?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:18:09 2018 No.20422161 >>20422097 What's so hard about that? https://vocaroo.com/i/s1ooj8GKoWRl

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:18:28 2018 No.20422164 >>20422148 I lived there for almost 5 years. Only coffee I had was the kind in soda cans with pull tabs. It's one of the most consumed beverages. It's pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:19:30 2018 No.20422167 >>20422164 canned coffee just doesn't sound good dude

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:22:27 2018 No.20422178 >>20422167 Order some and try it, idk why but it shits on the starbucks versions here in the states. They really perfected canned coffee. I tried 6 different kinds and they're all better than anything out here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:27:39 2018 No.20422197 >>20422157 read question on the poll again think really hard u can do it

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:29:42 2018 No.20422204 >>20422161 Not sure you would get "good stomach" out of only hearing that.

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:32:29 2018 No.20422215

>>20422197
Stop pretending you could read at 500 words and not have to stop every second to look up a word. Reading at that point is pointless. Do flashcards for an extra month or two, and then you can come back and read comfortably. Stop pushing people to read at 500 words, or even 1k for that matter. It's a time waster and you're not really reading, you're playing a dictionary mini-game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:33:22 2018 No.20422221 File: 199 KB, 1024x683, coffeetastetest-1-1024x683.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] UCC and Pokka are like japans pepsi and coke

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:34:24 2018 No.20422227 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQI2QucDT8M Damn this dude got the equivalent of N3 in 6 months. Baller.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:35:04 2018 No.20422230 >>20422221 surely the caffeine content on those must be low

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:37:30 2018 No.20422244 [DELETED]

>>20422227
Easy when you're Jewish and you don't need a job because of that bar mitzvah money. Why do you think about 3/4 of gaijins in Japan are Jews? They're the rich planetary elite, and we slave away for them so that they live the lives we wish we had at our expense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:37:44 2018 No.20422245 >>20422230 a redbull has 30mg of caffeine, all of those coffee's have more than that in them and the shot ones have 150mg. That's why everyone is hooked on them like crack out there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:38:42 2018 No.20422246 >>20422204 What do you even mean with good stomach? If you want to say it you could just say 良の意

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:39:44 2018 No.20422251 >>20422246 *胃

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:40:47 2018 No.20422254 >>20422227 >tfw they wont let you into a bathhouse

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:41:14 2018 No.20422256 >>20422246 Yet Google gives 27000 hits for いい胃, so clearly it's being used in that form.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:41:40 2018 No.20422259 >>20422244 >Why do you think about 3/4 of gaijins in Japan are Jews I didn't realize that. Makes me kinda sad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:42:00 2018 No.20422260 >>20422256 Yes but what does it even mean?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:43:49 2018 No.20422268 >>20422260 I would expect it to be used in a digestive context.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:44:01 2018 No.20422270 >>20422149 You have such a warped perception of what reading is holy shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:46:54 2018 No.20422274 >>20422149 have fun storing the words in the wrong place in your brain in a void of no context and then having to relearn it all down the road so you can actually comprehend it

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:47:57 2018 No.20422278 >>20422274 better to have them floating in the void and work off that than to have nothing so you have to look up everything constantly.

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:48:15 2018 No.20422279

>>20422270
So when you read in your native language, you spend more time doing another activity than reading? Because I just sit down and read. Looking shit up in a dictionary 99% of the time isn't reading. The main activity in that case is looking up words, while reading involves just reading the text and enjoying what you're reading. I think you're the one who needs adjustment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:48:41 2018 No.20422281 >>20422215 hehe nice strawman try addressing the issue instead of projecting

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:49:10 2018 No.20422282 We spend more time fighting about what the better way to learn is than actually learning

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:49:41 2018 No.20422284 >>20422279 I think they believe reading is somehow an enjoyable activity if you don't look anything up and have to skip like 90% of the words.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:50:45 2018 No.20422289 guys please just please tell me what to do. i've learned probably 700-800 words, half of those relate to grammar.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:51:50 2018 No.20422295 >>20422279 The thing is that my native language is my native language. Stop being a fucking dumbass, you can read at 1k words, less if you want to.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:52:13 2018 No.20422296 >>20422282 ikr.. I keep falling back on all of this english like a bad drug habbit.. it's so easy after breaking my brain on japanese all day though

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:52:28 2018 No.20422298

>>20422284
Either way, both possibilities are retarded and they should stop embarrassing themselves. New learners should hit what linguists call that "comfort sweet spot" at 2k words in Core, and then immerse themselves in reading. Not at 1k, and definitely not at only 500 words.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:53:48 2018 No.20422302 You can already understand like 70% at 500 words. If you have to look up a word or two every sentence that's not that bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:53:54 2018 No.20422303 >>20422298 >what linguists call that "comfort sweet spot" at 2k words source? not saying you're wrong. just curious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:54:56 2018 No.20422305 >>20422302 >70% at 500 words. If you have to look up a word or two every sentence that's not that bad. You're fucking delusional. I'm at 1k words and I have to look up half of every fucking sentence, often times more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:57:04 2018 No.20422310 >>20422303 Nah they don't call it that, but I'm a linguist and I call it that, does that count? >>20422302 Yeah, and that results in looking up words in the dictionary more than reading, because a big part of that 70% is stupid shit like です and 来る.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:57:04 2018 No.20422311 You will never reach a point where you magically don't need to look up words unless you are a wunderkind with a photogenic memory in which case you are better of just reading the dictionary.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 23:58:21 2018 No.20422317 >>20422311 Yeah but when you're in the comfort sweet spot, you enjoy reading a lot more because you're actually reading more than you're looking up words. The number of words for that is 2k.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:00:00 2018 No.20422326 >>20422310 I also took a linguistic class in college, hello fellow linguist

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:00:13 2018 No.20422327 File: 123 KB, 1794x601, 1542475803443.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20422305 umm wtf are you trying to read then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:01:13 2018 No.20422332 >>20422298 Eating manga didn't get comfortable until around 8k for me. I haven't tried reading yet since big pages of text are intimidating.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:03:12 2018 No.20422342

>>20422303
they're pulling shit out of their ass
>>20422326
i studied linguistics on the epic internet living out of my parents house for five years does that count

anyways the true secret is that reading and listening are going to be hard no matter what you do until you put in enough, as jamal calls it, quality language time

the sooner you start the better because it means more quality language time spent at a given point in time

the only reason to memorize the most common couple hundred or maybe a thousand words is because it makes it a lot easier to get enjoyment out of what you're reading or listening to because it's easier to pick out random things that you understand, that stops helping after the first couple hundred or maybe athousand

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:04:00 2018 No.20422343 >>20422327 Does anyone have that druplekin text xenix thirty cornbobz of the words nitch gibberish to pleebufart 70% understanding?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:04:36 2018 No.20422344 >>20422327 Well if it's true it's deceptive as fuck because I actually have very little idea what's ever going on in what I'm reading despite apparently knowing 80% of the words that are likely to appear in a VN.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:07:05 2018 No.20422356 >>20422344 did you do core or vncore? because core is full of a bunch of words that you'll never see in a vn

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:07:53 2018 No.20422358 >>20422326 Yeah that doesn't really count, I have a bachelor's degree in linguistics and I actually work in the field.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:08:07 2018 No.20422360 >>20422356 I'm at around the 900 mark in vncore. I'm also doing DOJG.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:09:10 2018 No.20422366 i'm a highschool drop out so i have no degree and i know nothing about linguistics or japanese but i post here anyway

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:12:22 2018 No.20422379 >>20422095 Thanks. What materials do you start out reading? I'm trying NHK news and it's hard af. 2ch doesn't make much sense to me either

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:12:25 2018 No.20422380

>>20422358
Amazing, seriously congrats. I have a B.A. in Psychology so I have some pretty good knowledge on how to learn (via how memory works), but unfortunately I can't say that I'm qualified to talk about language. By the way, as a linguist, what actually qualifies you to talk about how many words you need to know to be comfortable in a language? Was your track in Japanese learning? Because as far as I'm aware, studying linguistics doesn't actually mean you're knowledgeable in learning language.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:12:52 2018 No.20422382

>>20422360
Around 900 means you prolly got like 300 mature, so you got a ways to go still. Once you mature 1k you'll be solid. I'm doing the japanese v2k deck now too. dojg was nice and tae kim deck too. I mean I still suck at reading some things but every once and while I'll knock out a paragraph instantly and get an inspirational boost of confidence.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:17:16 2018 No.20422389

>>20422380
I'm going by my experience, but I've seen this comfort sweet spot when learning languages by interacting with many language learners. Many learners give up at the beginning because of the tediousness of having to look up too many words in order to read, but needing to read more in order to progress. I find that Anki solves a lot of that problem by giving people a proper foundation in order to read more comfortably.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:19:01 2018 No.20422398

>>20422379
I read a little of everything. I read some of kino, haruhi, and like the first 10 pages of a bunch of other light novels. I read on 2ch, other websites, wikipedia, comments, forums, etc. Video games, I bought a bunch of magazines, manga, and books I use for reading. Just whatever I'm into.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:24:03 2018 No.20422412 https://youtu.be/GB8fWjQuz9A?t=977 CRAZY BITCH SCARED ME

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:24:03 2018 No.20422413

>>20422344
the study is just raw statistics about the number of words as they occur in the text

it doesn't mean that you'll understand N% of the text if you know however many works, that's not what they studied, they just did some number crunching

at the end of the day anything you do in anki is just going to be training wheels or a straw to make it easier to ride your eroge or drink your anime

you need to put enough time with the language before you'll really fell like you understand what you're reading or listening to

once i got sorta kinda okay at reading, i realized that for some reason, my listening was actually ahead of my reading compared to other people that spent all their time doing reading practice instead of listening practice (i.e. i only did reading practice too). i figured i might have some kind of fucked up bias where it's easier for me to get good at listening, maybe i'm dyslexic in japanese or something. i went on a six-month-long japanese youtube binge and never memorized a single thing, only looking stuff up when it stuck out really hard to me that i didn't know it, and came out of it with post-N1-tier listening abilities.

at the time i started that binge i was already fairly literate and probably knew on the order of ten thousand words, maybe twenty thousand.

you won't get good at doing X until after you spend enough time doing it, no matter what else you do.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 00:41:53 2018 No.20422467

>>20422274
im not that guy but the readings are attached to the kanji, then when you read you actually learn the definitions and can recall them. either way you should read as much as you can and limit anki to 20 mins. they will both reinforce each other and youll learn a lot of readings.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 01:25:33 2018 No.20422597 >>20422244 Umm, Navy Dave is an officer in the US Navy and stationed in Colorado. Stop trying to start a race war asshole.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 02:17:59 2018 No.20422716

>>20418774
>That ninja warrior Australian guy did the same thing.
>OK results
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQep4ULFhNM
i really don't mean to be rude because i know he's a lot more busy with work and gym than i am, but his level is not that good yet

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 02:29:34 2018 No.20422742

>>20421725
you think anki is going to change this
>>20421764
skimming tae kim is far more valuable than finishing core2k
>>20422070
not gonna make it
>>20422149
would be an excellent strategy if you could learn a language without using it
>>20422215
>Reading at that point is pointless. Do flashcards for an extra month or two, and then you can come back and read comfortably.
stop trying to hurt people and go learn japanese
>>20422279
>Looking shit up in a dictionary 99% of the time isn't reading.
you might benefit from knowing that you dont actually have to look up every new word
>>20422343
why do you think that reading a sentence like that isnt productive

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 02:56:56 2018 No.20422828

>It doesn't even matter which is active, what matters is that you have repeatedly attempted to excuse your retarded romanisation choices as being backed by romanisation rules, and you have not provided a single romanisation system, active or otherwise, that would romanise おおうそ as anything other than Oouso, and certainly not as o-uso or ohuso, which are both retarded that do nothing other than to promote it as being pronounced as "おううそ".

Is there anything worse than a thread dying moments before you deliver the coup de grâce and blow an EOP out of the water?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 03:06:38 2018 No.20422864 >>20422828 whoeever wrote this is an idiot

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 03:21:49 2018 No.20422915 >>20422864 so- ta" ne

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 03:34:54 2018 No.20422951
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guys, I'm in a huge need for YT channels that I could watch throughout 8 hours of my work. I listen to Joe Rogan podcast and Vox interesting under 10 minute videos on history and culture, they are interesting but in English

I want to listen to Japanese, but the problem seems to be that I can't find interesting content in it; I only found ranking videos, but that's a bit boring

anything like pic related? I think I'm good with podcasts for now so please no podcasts

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 03:58:41 2018 No.20423044 >>20422951 I listen to virtual youtubers

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 03:59:55 2018 No.20423050
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>>20422951
unironically IGN Japan

ゲームの神様に２０の質問 is great for intermediate listening because it's based largely on yes/no questions.

Everything past that varies wildly, but this is some genuinely decent non-scripted conversational stuff.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 04:44:11 2018 No.20423211

>>20422951
most long-running (as in a long series) video content on the japanese internet is of the "someone from some subculture made this" variety due to cultural reasons so i hope you can stand yukkuris, voiceroid voices, and ADHD-fueled insanity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3yY7CCWP3U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTb1_fJ5cBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMYytG9uipg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqUj37ClCG4
and a holy grail
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbNycyGQrscpF1TD9xJ8Gig

and of course there's a lot of stuff that the creators only upload to nico
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34261608

there are of course normal 実況 and normal vlogs but they're generally really bad

here's a channel that uploads edutainment but it's completely unvoiced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl6ymf6gfxc

you can find the exact kind of content you're looking for but it's not the same phenomenon, largely because japanese people usually use the internet in different ways than people from english speaking countries (due to the very low penetration of PCs into homes and galapagos phones steering mobile internet use in a weird direction until like 2018)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPOCHuu04o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGgztlw5TH4

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 05:00:03 2018 No.20423289 >>20423211 until like 2008*

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 06:08:19 2018 No.20423503 File: 22 KB, 500x500, 1477720842668.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this the holy grail of online dictionaries? https://ejje.weblio.jp

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 06:11:29 2018 No.20423525 >>20423503 >ejje probably not

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 06:22:36 2018 No.20423571 よつばと doesn't look so hard for now despite I skipped Anki completely(couldn't get it to work, so I started reading). Maybe TK's grammar is really all I need aside from learning words, slang and fixed expressions?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 06:35:03 2018 No.20423626 >>20423571 you got lucky and saved yourself a lot of time enjoy yourself youre gonna make it tomodati

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 07:21:04 2018 No.20423815 does jamal know japanese?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 07:23:39 2018 No.20423823 >>20423815 he pretends to its up in the air i just assume hes the most competent person in the thread because that would be hilarious and totally suits djt

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 07:28:17 2018 No.20423839 >>20423823 why are you typing like jamal if you're pretending to be someone else

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 07:39:26 2018 No.20423883 >>20423839 im not typing like ntr you can tell because i dont doublespace my lines get your facts straight

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 07:44:04 2018 No.20423897 たいいんしたちょっとやばかった

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 07:47:00 2018 No.20423908 >>20423897 dude, wouldn't it be easier to tell us when you're not sick?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 07:55:54 2018 No.20423946 >>20423897 少し元気になった？

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 07:59:57 2018 No.20423965 わかったことはざやくはすごいきく

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:12:01 2018 No.20424021 >>20423823 nah theres ppl that pop up that are real nihongo nerds like kanken guy but thats not my lane

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:20:44 2018 No.20424056 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so7BXOwSyEU watch teh dolly

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:37:55 2018 No.20424130 >>20422227 j-cat overestimates your jlpt score, if you're scoring 164 then you're probably closer to n4 than n3

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:41:15 2018 No.20424144 >>20424056 I miss when she use to call us pretty peoples

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:41:28 2018 No.20424146 >>20424021 oh yeah i forgot about that guy but hes a real fuckin outlier when it comes to our humble shitting grounds frequented by the now dying imouto and potato game dev >>20424056 ii jan

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:43:34 2018 No.20424156 tis everyones shared responsibility that baby girl got aids

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:44:47 2018 No.20424162 >>20424056 >People have issues with negative positives How? It exists almost the same exact way in English. God bless Dolly for actually taking the time to answer something like this too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:45:59 2018 No.20424173 when is dolly going to do a video on sarcasm

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:46:04 2018 No.20424174 i didnt watch the vid but the idea extends much further than just stuff like asuka saying bakajyanaino

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:48:01 2018 No.20424185 >>20424174 >i didnt watch the vid are you a fraud has everything youve ever posted been a lie

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:48:39 2018 No.20424191

>>20424056
based dolly. i had no fucking idea that retarded nips would say "that's sakura" with さくらじゃない. that makes no fucking sense. thank you dolly. so randomly while reading i need to keep in mind that "not x" could mean "is x". fucking christ fuck this dumbass 3rd world language.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:49:41 2018 No.20424199 im gonna watch it relax but i havent even watched all the dolly vids lol i sorta just started watching them as they get posted haha

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:49:50 2018 No.20424201 >>20424191 watch more raw anime

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:50:46 2018 No.20424205 >>20424201 >>20424191 >>20424173

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:51:55 2018 No.20424209 its just like how we say well if it isnt sakura but were actually cutting short well if it isnt sakura then ill eat my own ass because it sure as hell looks like its sakura sakurajyanainokanaaaaaa

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:52:29 2018 No.20424211 >>20424191 Aren't you just retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:53:57 2018 No.20424219 i just eat ass

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:55:19 2018 No.20424226 well if it isnt sakura then ill never eat ass again

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 08:56:37 2018 No.20424238 >>20424191 >that makes no fucking sense. This shit is done in practically every language, including the one you typed your post in, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 09:09:06 2018 No.20424309 >>20423211 thanks, seems like DEF VIDEO is what I was looking for

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 09:40:26 2018 No.20424338 primary/middle school history text book it would be a nice read, I think about buying something like that, what do you think?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 09:43:31 2018 No.20424366 go where ur curiosity takes u thats what lifes about

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 09:43:36 2018 No.20424368 >>20424338 go for it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 09:43:50 2018 No.20424370 history's book reading janai

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 09:52:16 2018 No.20424409 How do you tell when つ is used as an inflection or if it's tsu when used in the middle of a sentence/word? I know the former is supposed to be smaller but sometimes it's hard to tell when reading.

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Anonymous Sat Dec 15 09:58:55 2018 No.20424445

>>20424409
Please refrain from using words like "inflection" in your questions if you don't know what they mean, it makes it harder to understand what you're trying to say. The answer is you either see that it is smaller, or you just know if it's a sokuon or not given the word it appears part of. If you're having trouble looking up a word or something, just try both if you're unsure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 09:59:39 2018 No.20424449 how yo homies you ever heard of that lit ツ形?

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:00:22 2018 No.20424453

>>20424338
if you like history then do it
dont do it only because you think its easy or approachable do it because you want to read history so youre picking entry level history
>>20424409
thats not what inflection means but ill answer what you meant
in some fonts small kana arent very small and sometimes in small furigana they are identical to normal size kana
aside from checking which word actually exists in a dictionary the only answer is to read more and already know which way makes sense

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:03:10 2018 No.20424472 >>20424445 >>20424453 My bad. And thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:14:37 2018 No.20424535 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so7BXOwSyEU [Embed] saturday morning dolly

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:16:30 2018 No.20424544 why would you copy and paste from a post less than 2 hours old

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:16:38 2018 No.20424546 ur late to the party

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:19:00 2018 No.20424559 ur late to the oh u mother fucker

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:35:20 2018 No.20424636 i need to just force myself to finish these premade decks instead of stalling for 2 months fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:41:18 2018 No.20424667 How long do you spend on Anki a day, it feels like its taking longer and longer for me to get through it. From 20 minutes when I started to 45 minutes after a week.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:45:25 2018 No.20424683 >>20424667 None

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:50:54 2018 No.20424705 I do about 3 hours of anki (5 seperate decks im doing currently, 3 of them I finished already but I'm trying to mature) then I read and watch stuff the rest of the day which helps cement the anki.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:51:59 2018 No.20424713 >>20424705 not a bad idea desu but delusional rattataers will claim otherwise

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:55:24 2018 No.20424741 >>20424667 I'm about 2 weeks in. I'm getting anywhere from 20-30 mins a day. Granted, i'm also doing 15 new cards per day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 10:55:51 2018 No.20424743 >>20424667 150-200 cards within 10-15 minutes. 10 new cards a day very very roughly translates to 100 reviews within a year.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:07:30 2018 No.20424800

>>20424713
speaking of delusional can you imagine defending 3 hours of anki a day
best part is that he essentially said he only does the immersion becuase it helps the anki go more smoothly thats matt tier dekinai
>>20424743
if youre gonna do it at all do it like this guy

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:27:50 2018 No.20424877 if ure gonna do it at all do it like this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q15ap2su2F0

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:29:46 2018 No.20424883 >>20424800 anki is more effective it's just a matter of how much you can tolerate it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:30:20 2018 No.20424886 >>20424667 0

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:30:51 2018 No.20424889 its definitely more effective at things not related to learning nihongo lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:31:30 2018 No.20424896 it preps you to learn japanese which is faster than just trying to learn japanese since you absorb it better.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:32:13 2018 No.20424897

>>20424800
A few of those decks are sentences, so it's no different from reading at that point. Cement in the information =/= go more smoothly. Anki goes perfectly smooth, but it's nice to hear what I studied in my content and then I know it for life.
Imagine being too stubborn to see the benefits of srs let alone not capatilizing on it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:36:36 2018 No.20424914 someone who does a 6k vocab freq deck in 10 months with 30-60 minutes of anki a day and reads 4 hours a day will read better than someone who reads 4 and a half or 5 hours a day for 8 months.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:36:44 2018 No.20424915

you absorb it better after watching 10000 hours of eng subbed anime because you can just tie lots of words and their kanjis to words you already know from your extensive viewing of japanimation

not to mention all the other things you can learn from anime about japan like natu maturis goldfish scooping and watersports

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:37:05 2018 No.20424918 File: 99 KB, 511x103, キャプチャ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is the kanji before the 知

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:37:43 2018 No.20424921 >>20424914 whoops meant 10 months for both. that's 20 cards a day for the 6ker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:39:30 2018 No.20424927 and jamal is here

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:45:43 2018 No.20424956 >>20424535 whats funny is if you do the tae kim deck he takes all of the Xじゃない 's litterally and says 'it's not X'

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:45:47 2018 No.20424958

>>20424877
i take it back this is right
>>20424883
not gonna make it
>>20424897
>so it's no different from reading at that point.
not gonna make it
>but it's nice to hear what I studied in my content and then I know it for life.
do you care more about how much shit you think you know or how much content you can understand
>Imagine being too stubborn to see the benefits of srs let alone not capatilizing on it.
make fewer assumptions ive done 2 hours of srs a day before and i do 10 minutes a day now and id push zero over 3 hours im tryin to spread the light tomodati
>>20424914
possible

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:46:41 2018 No.20424961 >>20424914 Someone who reads for 1500 hours is going to have a passive vocabulary a lot higher than 6k

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:46:49 2018 No.20424962 >>20424956 >whats funny is if you do the tae kim deck i agree

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:49:24 2018 No.20424974

>>20424958
Did you ever wonder that maybe everybody isn't the same? Some of us may have different backgrounds to how we started, have different effective learning methods, have different attention spans and interest, etc. That stuff plays a role in your learning. I simply stated what I do and that it works for me for now. Get off your high horse nakama

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:50:57 2018 No.20424983 >>20424961 someone who reads 1200 hours and ankis the 6k most frequent words will be better than someone who reads 1500 hours and doesn't

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:51:13 2018 No.20424986 >>20424918 you gonna tell me you cant even read kids words like 叡知 lol

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:52:53 2018 No.20424996

>>20424974
>maybe everybody isn't the same?
krashen dot avi
>That stuff plays a role in your learning.
but learning isnt language acquisition and thats your problem
well maybe not a problem you seem to be more interested in learning than acquisition
you do you but ive seen a lot of people regret doin you just lettin you know that
>>20424983
citation needed

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:53:24 2018 No.20425000 >>20424983 It would be a waste of time, you'd learn most of those words through reading before you even see them in anki

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:53:54 2018 No.20425005 >>20424974 nah all you retards who cant learn japanese are undoubtedly all the same

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:56:15 2018 No.20425010 >>20424986 It's in the very start of Ocarina of time so... thanks btw

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 11:57:18 2018 No.20425015

>>20424996
>krashen avi
>40 year old video from a guy that never even learned japanese
>debunked by almost all modern linguist and polyglots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOOMOVnsMk8
>there is next to no benefit from listening to things you do not understant

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:00:51 2018 No.20425021 thus watch 10000 hours of eng subs u stupid fuckin nubs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKHIrqy_jZc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:00:58 2018 No.20425022 >>20425000 >you'd learn most of those words through reading you wouldn't. that's why anki is better

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:02:10 2018 No.20425026 yeah except when you actually know japanese you can actually make connections with words you dont know instead of have everything fall apart on you save the beefing up ur vocab for after u learn japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:04:17 2018 No.20425032 >>20425026 >yeah except when you actually know japanese that's why you read for 4 hours and only use anki for 1 hour you still learn japanese but you get the added bonus of actually remembering words.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:10:42 2018 No.20425050

>>20425015
>>debunked by almost all modern linguist and polyglots
oh its you
>>there is next to no benefit from listening to things you do not understant
thats not comprehensible now is it
guy says for example 90% and then gives an example of listening to stuff he cant understand any of as a complete beginner
is he actually stupid
also how did you learn english
>>20425032
your ratio sucks but you can make it

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:14:59 2018 No.20425065

linguistics is truly a pseudo science. krashen hasn't and can't prove shit and neither can the guy you just linked. it truly is a bullshit field. accept it and move on.

we can only work off anecdotes. anecdotes seem to indicate that people who immerse a lot turn out the best.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:18:11 2018 No.20425078 >>20425050 So how do you get to comprehension without learning first? t. brainlet now it all

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:18:12 2018 No.20425079 >>20425065 krashen just explains the anecdotes better nothin wrong with that what is proof outside of math sounds like some delusional shit right there

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:19:14 2018 No.20425085 >>20425078 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTsduRreug&t=199 next question

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:20:19 2018 No.20425091 >>20424996 Yea yea yea, dictionaries are useless and nobodies ever been told something and understood it. Nice hypothesis you're basing your language studies on.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:21:20 2018 No.20425096

>>20425022
but you do, I've spent about 600 hours reading so far and I've learned countless words since I stopped using anki about 6 months ago. Meanwhile there are words I used to know through anki that I no longer recognize until after I look them up, even though they had intervals of half a year, since they just don't turn up enough in the kind of content I'm reading. Learning words through reading and learning words in isolation without context are two very different things and the latter is basically useless because it doesn't help you recognize words while reading nearly as much as you would think. I wish i had never wasted so much time using anki when I could have been reading/listening instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:21:24 2018 No.20425097 >>20425085 Have a person to demonstrate what every word in existence means or you could just use anki for 5 minutes and use your imagination a little

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:21:41 2018 No.20425098 >>20425091 >nobodies ever been told something and understood it. literally comprehensible input do you even know which side youre arguing for

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:22:05 2018 No.20425099 if you used your imagination in the first place you wouldnt be a flashtard

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:22:43 2018 No.20425104 >>20425097 it doesnt have to be so one on one go read unkochan the mistake youre making is thinking that anki is equivalent

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:23:00 2018 No.20425105 >>20425096 I wasted a lot of time on reading before I started using anki. And thank goodness for anki. I couldn't remember words without it. I think people try to project their own experiences onto others too much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:23:08 2018 No.20425106 >>20425098 t. can't recognize sarcasm

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:23:26 2018 No.20425109 >>20425096 >stop using anki and forget words >this is somehow evidence that anki is useless

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:23:44 2018 No.20425111 >>20425106 sorry sarcasm doesnt exist in japanese so i forgot about it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:24:14 2018 No.20425114 >>20425104 the mistake you're making is thinking anki isn't a gift from language learning gods if you use your imagination with it, the problem is stupid people lack imagination

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:24:59 2018 No.20425120 >>20425109 >this isnt evidence that anki is useless >>20425114 imagine learning japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:26:31 2018 No.20425125 >>20425120 Do you know how memory works friend? If you don't use it, you lose it. This is true of nearly everything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:27:11 2018 No.20425129 >>20425109 If I see them in anki I would have remembered them, but I can't recall them while actually reading in the language. You are learning an entirely different skill when you memorize isolated words. It's a total waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:29:04 2018 No.20425134 >>20425125 im not losing english i wonder if thats because i read and listen or because i keep up my anki reviews

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:29:08 2018 No.20425135 >>20425129 >but I can't recall them while actually reading in the language did you mature the word? because I've never once experienced this phenomenon

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:29:32 2018 No.20425136 >>20425129 Learning vocabulary is not a "total waste of time." Everyone does this in their native language as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:30:05 2018 No.20425137 >>20425135 >I've never once experienced this phenomenon its cheating if you never read you know >>20425136 im glad my parents raised me right with anki

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:31:16 2018 No.20425142 >>20425129 >entirely different skill you can stop hyperbolizing to make your shitty point. if i drilled an english word i didn't know i would recognize it in the wild.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:31:30 2018 No.20425144 >>20425137 >more assmptions I think I found your problem

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:31:44 2018 No.20425147

Aight here's my background then
>learn hiragana in a month or two, could have been faster
>do core
>realize its a waste of time at 750 words, start yotsuba
>get bored, drop jap for a few months
>get back into it with it Kino, start mining every word
>Kino was boring and mjning 60 words a day was tedious, drop jap for 6 months
>2.5 months ago
>pick it back up, find compelling content
>reset mine deck, 20 words a day while reading which wasn't as hard because I vaguely knew them
>only mine words I've seen more than once or leave an impression
>start listening to japanews24, solid 30 mins a day of listening which oddly is the most consistent thing in routine, haven't had a day where I didn't listen to jap
Fast forward to today, reading compelling content, mining up to 10 cards a day and going back to grammar guides once in a while

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:32:36 2018 No.20425151 >>20425134 >implying you have never once forgotten the meaning of some obscure english word you encountered once 10+ years ago

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:33:40 2018 No.20425154 nothing gets the thread rolling like an utterly inane argument.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:34:16 2018 No.20425158 >>20425136 Nobody who's not a complete dweeb uses Anki to learn words in their native language.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:34:18 2018 No.20425159

>>20425142
you would remember it but you wouldnt know it
>>20425144
it was a 冗談 tomodati have you ankid that word yet
i dont believe that youve never had that problem before but its not an important point
>>20425151
>implying you should anki obscure japanese words that you wont encounter for 10+ years
look at the damage anki has already done to your fragile mind

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:34:40 2018 No.20425162 File: 34 KB, 335x500, 41nvkwg1GCL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what do you expect from flashtards

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:34:42 2018 No.20425163 >>20425154 That's literally every /djt/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:34:42 2018 No.20425165 jamal has utterly destroyed any semblance of thread quality so we can pretty much debate anything we want and we'll never sink to his level.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:35:40 2018 No.20425167 I can't really remember how I first learned words so I'm going to assume it was through magic and you can't actually learn anything in this world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:35:42 2018 No.20425168 yet youre my #1 fan

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:35:54 2018 No.20425171

>>20425135
Yes, these are cards that had long intervals of at least a few months. I noticed this back when I used to use anki too, I'd hit "good" on a mature card and then see it while reading in the next few days and still have to look it up.

>>20425142
What if you drilled thousands of words?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:37:08 2018 No.20425175 >>20425165 no intercase warfare ntr is one of the biggest contributors to djt 本当に >>20425167 this but joodanjanai >>20425168 no i am cant you even recognize me anymore

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:37:16 2018 No.20425176 >>20425171 >completely know word >still have to look it up I got bad news for you..

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:37:40 2018 No.20425178 >>20425171 and i was reading and regularly encountering the words i was drilling in anki? it would go fine. and i don't think anyone here recommends using anki for prolonged periods of time without reading anything so it'll never be a concern.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:38:03 2018 No.20425182

>>20425158
If you need to learn a ton of vocabulary in you native language (like if you are a medical student), anki would be the best way to do it.

>>20425159
Japanese is not your native language and you likely do not use it 24/7 unless you happen to live in Japan or something. You are a poor judge at how common a word actually is used thus it is better to be on the safe side and mine extra things.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:40:33 2018 No.20425190

>>20425178
>regularly encountering the words i was drilling in anki?
anki is doing almost nothing in this situation
>>20425182
>If you need to learn a ton of vocabulary in you native language (like if you are a medical student), anki would be the best way to do it.
yeah because thats not language acquisition thats memorizing nomenclature
do you not understand the difference
>You are a poor judge at how common a word actually is
anki causes this while listening and reading solves this

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:40:33 2018 No.20425191 >>20425175 i looked at you as more than one of my mere muppets almost like a son

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:40:36 2018 No.20425192

>>20425178
exactly, if you were doing anki by its self in a bubble, maybe your brain could seperate it and not relate it outside of the bubble. I've been reading and watching raws since I started and never ever learned an anki word I didn't instantly recognize in audio or visual form.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:41:18 2018 No.20425200 >>20425176 If words are easier to recognize when isolated in an SRS than they are in native content then something is wrong with the method. I gave up on anki and switched to 100% input and so far I haven't regretted it

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:42:18 2018 No.20425204

>>20425190
>anki is doing almost nothing in this situation
Speak for yourself it makes a huge difference for me. I don't know why you guys insist otherwise. I'm not being a contrarian or something here. Honest to goodness the words aren't sticking well purely through reading.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:42:34 2018 No.20425205 >>20425200 >If words are easier to recognize when isolated in an SRS than they are in native content then something is wrong with the method. someone put this in a fuckin book theres something really fuckin wrong when context makes it harder

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:44:25 2018 No.20425213

>>20425190
>yeah because thats not language acquisition thats memorizing nomenclature
Memorizing vocabulary is a part of language learning.

>anki causes this while listening and reading solves this
Not exactly. Writing styles and speaking styles vary greatly. One author can write and use a totally different set of vocabulary than another. If you consume Japanese nearly 24/7 and think in Japanese all day, then it's likely not a problem for you. However, that does not describe most people here.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:47:42 2018 No.20425222

>>20425204
if you arent spending an hour a day on anki theres nothing wrong with this but its far from necessary
youre probably just too concerned with what you dont understand and not allowing it to take time
you might also benefit from more listening assuming your vocabulary is still tiny
>>20425213
>Memorizing vocabulary is a part of language learning.
acquiring vocabulary is part of language learning
memorizing vocabulary is like being able to use your memory as a faster dictionary but still needing to check
>One author can write and use a totally different set of vocabulary than another.
read more than one author
>However, that does not describe most people here.
why do you think im spreadin the good word

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:50:34 2018 No.20425231 >>20425200 >If words are easier to recognize when isolated in an SRS than they are in native content Wasn't for me, don't know what to tell you. If you know a word you know a word. Try putting it into a sentences or something.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 12:56:08 2018 No.20425246

>>20425222
>acquiring vocabulary is part of language learning
Memorizing vocabulary is a subset of acquiring it. When you see a word you don't know, you look it up in the dictionary. You need to memorize the word and what it means. Then, as you see the word used in the sentence, you eventually acquire it. Anki is a tool to help you with the memorization part especially if the particular word is not used very often.

>read more than one author
Correct, but this is a thread about people learning Japanese. Most people will not be able to truly distinguish between a super obscure word that an author just threw in for shits and giggles, or a seldom used, but very important word. When you need to learn thousands of words, you don't have the time to squabble over which ones are truly important and which ones aren't. Just learn whatever you encounter out in the wild.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:05:03 2018 No.20425275 File: 145 KB, 1280x720, tyu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hOyl sHitT

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:06:28 2018 No.20425279

>>20425246
>Memorizing vocabulary is a subset of acquiring it.
is there no word you can use correctly in a sentence and visualize what that means easily but youd struggle a bit to explain
i completely disagree
>>20425246
>Most people will not be able to truly distinguish between a super obscure word that an author just threw in for shits and giggles, or a seldom used, but very important word. When you need to learn thousands of words, you don't have the time to squabble over which ones are truly important and which ones aren't. Just learn whatever you encounter out in the wild.
i dont understand what is tripping you up
if you arent using anki you dont need to think about what is important you dont need to think about what to squabble over
if its important youll pick it up if not youll forget it and go oh damn looks like i needed anki after all because im 3 whole months into this japanese learning thing and i dont remember what a sortie is yet

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:09:36 2018 No.20425289 >>20425275 Now that's what I call compelling content

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:11:26 2018 No.20425294

>>20425279
>is there no word you can use correctly in a sentence and visualize what that means easily but youd struggle a bit to explain
If you can't explain it, you don't really know what it means.

>youll forget it and go oh damn looks like i needed anki after all because im 3 whole months into this japanese learning thing and i dont remember what a sortie is yet
That's the point. Something that is seldomly used, but still an important word is something you'll likely forget. But with anki you wouldn't forget the word.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:14:14 2018 No.20425306

>>20425294
>If you can't explain it, you don't really know what it means.
disagree
>>20425294
>Something that is seldomly used, but still an important word
if you are forgetting it its because you have far more important words to focus on
if sortie is what is actually valuable for you to learn right now its going to stick in your mind much better the next time you see it
thats why i know what sortie means
anki is a bandaid for a problem that you invented in your mind

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:20:11 2018 No.20425321 >>20425306 It is perfectly possible for a word to be seldomly used, but essential to know. If you are a beginner, tossing said word in anki cuts down the time it takes for the word to stick in your mind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:21:51 2018 No.20425325 >>20425321 >It is perfectly possible for a word to be seldomly used, but essential to know. clearly less essential than others might not be okay to never learn it but that doesnt mean it needs prioritization can you come up with a convincing example

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:24:52 2018 No.20425336

>>20425325
Pretend you are a complete beginner. You won't see 少佐 often outside of military settings, but you absolutely should know what that means.

>might not be okay to never learn it but that doesnt mean it needs prioritization
There is no such distinction. The only choice is to learn it now or learn it later. Learning it now is always the best option.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:27:13 2018 No.20425346

>>20425336
>You won't see 少佐 often outside of military settings,
and when you read some military settings youll pick it up fast
>Learning it now is always the best option.
completely disagree
with dedicated study you are making a tradeoff you are learning something at the expense of not learning other things
a complete beginner has more important vocabulary to learn
for example the words they are actually running into regularly

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:32:55 2018 No.20425368 頑張るぞい, djtたち.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:35:31 2018 No.20425377 File: 28 KB, 1252x665, 1544883877.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20425368

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:37:24 2018 No.20425386 File: 41 KB, 632x479, 6tgr4f54yt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:39:29 2018 No.20425405 File: 10 KB, 1474x719, notepad++_2018-12-15_12-38-03.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] For anyone who uses the AHK script with KanjiTomo, is there a setting I forgot to change that would cause my text file to look like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:44:36 2018 No.20425431 i cant remember the last post that made me this mad

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:49:51 2018 No.20425457 >>20425405 probably in cr lf line ending mode with text that only uses lf line endings edit > eol conversions

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:52:31 2018 No.20425468 File: 134 KB, 1280x723, 1544528041794.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 現実世界みたいな感じ、でも、そのエレメンタルと一緒に住んでもいいのんのんびよりエレメンタルとかケーキのエレメンタル小さな蛍を見つけた https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BosjWODv7vw

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:53:01 2018 No.20425472 >>20425405 install gen2

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:57:03 2018 No.20425498 dont fucken install genitalia

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 13:57:33 2018 No.20425501 >>20425457 For some reason, switching to lf (and even cr to see what would happen) causes the same result. Even to the point of writing in the middle of a line even though the script clearly sends ctrl+home first.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 14:02:38 2018 No.20425519

>>20425501
oh right discard that thats just the first thing i think of when i see text on one line but if the text comes from simulated keystrokes it shouldnt matter
maybe the script is poorly written i got nothin
>>20425472
at least install funtoo its fun its right in the name

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 14:04:19 2018 No.20425523 someone know where I can download　大辞林　3d edition. 無料ダウンロード

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 14:05:31 2018 No.20425528 >>20425519 I'll probably have to mess around with it later (and learn some AHK along the way.) Thanks for the help anyway!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 14:07:22 2018 No.20425538 you cant download a 3d edition only 2d this is both a joke and the truth as far as im aware if you want 第３版 your gonna have to buy it in an inferior format

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 14:12:29 2018 No.20425565 Lol I love how it came back to sortie and sallys

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 14:28:20 2018 No.20425627 torpes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 15:38:31 2018 No.20425866 ＞おら～生まれた時から尾は短け～だよ～＞待ってくれだ～＞意地悪しないでくれだよ姉ちゃ～ん In terms of English, exactly how dumb is this character supposed to sound?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 15:41:34 2018 No.20425876 [::::::::::\|:::::::::::::::::::] dumb ---------- smart

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 16:18:07 2018 No.20425988 the bottom of the scale is itudemoii but whats the top

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 16:35:25 2018 No.20426036 How long until i know my jlpt score? It's been two weeks already.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 16:35:59 2018 No.20426038 you already know it in your heart

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 16:37:52 2018 No.20426044 >>20426038 But i don't

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 16:43:11 2018 No.20426059

i googled and gave it a good think for you
>In 2018, the tests will be conducted on Sunday, July 1 and Sunday, December 2.
>The online Test Results Announcement for the 2018(July) JLPT is available for viewing from 10:00 am on August 22 (Wed) to 5:00 pm on October 31 (Wed) (Japan Time) 2018.
it takes almost 2 months

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 16:46:25 2018 No.20426073 How many words do I need to know before I can start learning from Japanese imageboards?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 16:47:20 2018 No.20426077 >>20426073 0

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 16:47:36 2018 No.20426080 >>20426073 You can start right away.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 16:50:54 2018 No.20426095 >>20426077 >>20426080 but what if they use slang and it fucks me?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 16:53:45 2018 No.20426114 >>20426095 Remember when you read yotuba.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 16:53:45 2018 No.20426115

>>20426095
if you want to learn a language get used to getting fucked cause its going to happen a lot as long as youre challenging yourself and moving up in the world of nihongo
on the up side youll learn some slang that never hurt anybody except the people who couldnt get through yotubato i dont know what their problem was

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:10:42 2018 No.20426192 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs8LJKNZ3L4

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:25:51 2018 No.20426257 when is someone gonna spit some rhymes between some succinct clips of based krashen and kaufmann and dolly really makes you omoimasu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CINmG3kQuc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:34:59 2018 No.20426293 The download link on https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/anki.html for core2k/6k points to itazuraneko.neocities/#mega-stuff instead of mega.nz/#mega-stuff. Might wanna fix that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:35:01 2018 No.20426294 >>20426115 >he doesn't know

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:38:51 2018 No.20426315 >>20426293 maintainer publicly announced leaving djt and broke mega links on purpose because he thinks it will protect the links or something >>20426294 思わない

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:41:20 2018 No.20426331 I can't believe the maintainer of the new site ditched us. Fuck. We didn't deserve him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:42:24 2018 No.20426334 >>20426331 If we beg do you guys think he'll come back?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:43:36 2018 No.20426341 >>20426331 lmao good riddance, he was a massive faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:44:54 2018 No.20426347 >>20426331 he made some decent changes but his grammar book pages have had broken links for months >>20426334 seems like the kind of guy you have to suck off every time he makes a change or his fragile ego collapses

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:49:46 2018 No.20426371 ill maintain the site just no free stuff you gotta go to book off like everybody else

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:51:17 2018 No.20426379 >>20426315 Well that seems completely retarded, but oh well...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 17:58:41 2018 No.20426414 >>20426371 last guys taste was shit but better than chounaisubadeena oneesan i vote for broken site intermission https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wOoABqwPW0

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:00:42 2018 No.20426424 at least i recognize some ninjas in this 1

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:04:43 2018 No.20426444 File: 267 KB, 1096x342, parnk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] but its when you dont recognize them that you know youve found some real shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:09:35 2018 No.20426463 i like finding real shit its what keeps me comin back to djt

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:10:26 2018 No.20426466 https://www.strawpoll.me/17051990 https://www.strawpoll.me/17051990

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:11:31 2018 No.20426469 i voted ban jamal

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:12:16 2018 No.20426475 >>20426463 good have my boy ytr going hard for twelve solid minutes can you even compete https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6kRi3c6crA >>20426466 i voted to ban me

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:13:48 2018 No.20426480 i fuckin hate nerds ban all the nerds

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:14:44 2018 No.20426483 someones jealous of nerds spittin

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:15:08 2018 No.20426486 btw polls fuckin wack because theres no "just learn nihongo" option

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:18:13 2018 No.20426503 btw beginners your welcome for twelve minutes of spoken poetry make those gains

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:22:28 2018 No.20426522 https://www.strawpoll.me/17052058 lets decide the future of djt together

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:23:46 2018 No.20426533 >>20426466 If you banned all of those there would be no posts here

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:25:53 2018 No.20426540 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auoBXLd061Y future of djt is decided little known secret it is true that music is bad for gains but ラップ is the exception and will save us all

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:25:58 2018 No.20426541 how come I get warned as soon as I post anything slightly off topic but jamal keeps getting away with this never-ending cancer seething

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:30:09 2018 No.20426562 File: 55 KB, 916x614, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:32:00 2018 No.20426571 i got a one day ban a year ago as an uppercase poster but then i became ntrs student and its been smooth sailing ymmv

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:34:30 2018 No.20426585 rap is good and even though i dont enjoy the nerd rap i encourage more ppl to post raps of all kinds

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:36:32 2018 No.20426595 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NytjswZmu24

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:38:01 2018 No.20426603 listening was pretty deplorable today maybe reading will be better tonight

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:45:22 2018 No.20426633 analog ntr thinks hes above nerds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ZiQkVNVOs

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:46:15 2018 No.20426636 watashi gei btw

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:46:25 2018 No.20426639 >>20426540 Hmm but the countless words I've learned prove that wrong. I look up a lot of 歌詞 though.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:46:36 2018 No.20426640

Jesus Christ i just read what happened here for the past ten hours and the delusional guy who hates japanese is at it again

imagine unironically thinking that krashen is unsubstantiated or a crank

imagine unironically thinking that 3 hours of Anki is a good idea

imagine unironically thinking that you should waste time memorising obscure words when you don't know all the common words for household items like pots or foods yet or how to say "almost entirely possible but not quite"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:48:14 2018 No.20426652 >>20426603 I anki in the morning, then read for a few hours around noon, then watch stuff and maybe browse japanese stuff at night.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:52:49 2018 No.20426667

>>20426640
>I saw a 40 year old video once and now think that language learning is actually a myth and you magically aquire language through osmosis
There is a reason even **** is backtracking and saying immersion only works if you're looking up words every 3 minutes. You got meme'd by a conspiracy theorist from the 80's. Sorry you still have to learn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:53:32 2018 No.20426670 >>20426633 now youre just posting pop trash try a real woman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88omprLu-cs

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:55:30 2018 No.20426679 >>20426667 don't >> me, subhuman

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:56:47 2018 No.20426683 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qomTp_S1io

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:02:15 2018 No.20426711

Immersion could potentially work, however its rate of learning is far too slow. After 10 years of watching anime the only thing I managed to pick up without realizing it was "the moon is beautiful tonight". Give it another 60000 years and I may get decent at japanese.
It was quite funny finding out I knew it when I was alttabbed out of a boring show and translated it without meaning to. There may even be more useless things I know that I haven't heard again to translate so it could be even faster.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:02:36 2018 No.20426715

>>20426667
>even ****
the literal god you got me listenin
>>20426670
i was testing the limits of your encouragement but you were constructive so what can i say im gonna go back to pretending i know what 2hu is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AVw1np2xso
>>20426683
i cant pretend to dig boiro though except gyari

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:04:55 2018 No.20426731 >>20426715 don't worry man i got all the shit you could possible like even if you dont like all of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6i0riV2Zw

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:05:41 2018 No.20426736 i like hood shit and stuff from at least 15 years ago

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:05:45 2018 No.20426737 >>20426667 judging by your phrasing and your reference of matt i'm guessing you're trolling but there's truth to what you say.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:06:43 2018 No.20426746 also i just like shit in general the more fecal the better

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:11:36 2018 No.20426765 File: 239 KB, 300x401, platinummad.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20426667 >conspiracy theorist from the 80's

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:12:12 2018 No.20426770

>>20426711
no one said you cant fuck it up but that sounds like your prereqs not your learnin
>>20426731
that apostrophe is my worst nightmare what if i slip up like that someday my rep would be trashed
ive always wanted to hear this in japanese thanks
>>20426736
>stuff from at least 15 years ago
now thats fuckin analog i get it i dont respect limiting yourself like that but its self consistent
>>20426737
>but there's truth to what you say.
thats like sayin theres truth to the earth bein flat cause your basement is pretty level

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:13:19 2018 No.20426774 its not really a limit when almost all new shit gives u aids youll understand when u get older

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:14:13 2018 No.20426779 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cokfGDmtIcw

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:14:55 2018 No.20426784 fwiw i still throw down tracks with my yamaha dx7

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:16:55 2018 No.20426789 >>20426774 if i cant relate to eating detergent and dabbing am i already infected with what you have and how long do i have to live hey someone get this boiro fuck outta here

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:18:42 2018 No.20426800 >>20426789 you have plenty of time to live and tell the kids to get off your lawn and think about how good everything used to be while watching your days weeks months and years just slip away faster than runaway greenhouse

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:21:16 2018 No.20426812 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMFxQuo-lIU

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:21:20 2018 No.20426813 but how long do i have to live enjoying the moment instead of reflecting on the past cause you know it aint really livin without that maybe you dont know anymore that was insensitive

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:23:23 2018 No.20426824 >>20426770 But the earth is flat is the krashner guys.. your analogy is backwards.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:25:14 2018 No.20426837

you enjoy the moments where you think of how you enjoyed the past almost as if frozen in time until the calendar and your gray hair remind you otherwise

youre never going to like almost all new things and youre just going to think that x thing that came before it was better and did it right and this is just a cheap replica

my suggestion is to take up a new hobby not in front of a screen

like jigsaw puzzles

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:25:36 2018 No.20426840 >>20426824 say that to me somehow learning japanese from these videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUNr3K5TP-Y

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:25:40 2018 No.20426841 boiro needs cleansing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJHiH7DxKIs >>20426824 if i ever make the krashen rap im gonna release it as krashner loved that name the first time i saw it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:26:51 2018 No.20426850 krashen bandicoot

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:28:30 2018 No.20426860 that aint touhou music lemme show you touhou music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT-ia-THusM

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:29:27 2018 No.20426866 thats an acceptable vid it took a while but yall finally did

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:30:29 2018 No.20426870 but now its time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqzCwcL9xDc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:31:06 2018 No.20426876 >>20426837 only the jigsaws from at least 15 years ago though or the existential crisis comes back >>20426860 lemme show you touhou music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNSx3CObpZs

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:32:32 2018 No.20426886 >>20426876 theres no crisis everything basically from haruhi onward in the world is just fuckin gay objectively also any jigsaws with dragons are ftw regardless of when they were made

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:32:52 2018 No.20426889 File: 163 KB, 1183x432, キャプチャq.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ..all of these polyglots saying srs and flashcards gave them "such a great language boost" are all liars and a few guys on djt who saw a video from the 80's know more than them

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:34:50 2018 No.20426897 the internet spawned billions of inadequate fakes across all disciplines and people are too dumb to distinguish them from the real thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87qdxfJIz4E

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:35:15 2018 No.20426899 >幽閉サテライト pukes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYRRytTTbKY

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:38:10 2018 No.20426913 >>20424237 Based. Speaking of Sakura, I really recommend Sakura Taisen to test out /jayp/ skills. Those quicktime japanese readings really will kill you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:38:55 2018 No.20426919 now back to your friendly neighborhood robots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-wu7RhQT9k

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:39:11 2018 No.20426921 >>20426889 the "you can have fun and learn too!" narrative is just too compelling for them to admit that anki is more efficient, particularly for beginners unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:40:36 2018 No.20426925 File: 357 KB, 2069x969, hentai chart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20426913 you my ninja are worthy of uncle jamals mostly hentai game treasure trove

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:40:46 2018 No.20426927 >>20426921 あぁ？誰が初心者、てめぇおめぇしかねぇ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:41:52 2018 No.20426932 >>20426921 efficient at doing the wrong thing

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:42:40 2018 No.20426934 guys don't you know it's all about input input guys input lmao just read it and you'll know lmaoaoaoao

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:42:53 2018 No.20426936 >>20426927 otituke motha fucka

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:43:53 2018 No.20426943 no you watch 10000 hours of eng subbed japanimation from before 2006 and youll know it already when you figure out how to read it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:44:18 2018 No.20426945 this but unironically because it's what i did and it worked よく効くよ～　そのあと、何遊んでるのみんな

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:44:20 2018 No.20426946

>>20426886
haruhi was ftw and you know it shoushitu > eva but then then rakisuta keion just masterpiece after masterpiece
dragon jigsaws are more ftw than anime though that might be where i go when i cant enjoy anything
>>20426889
yeah
>>20426899
eurobeat isnt even trying lets get wubby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd7sf657l64
id get far sicker but i gotta keep ボーカル or it might actually be off topic might have to actually look for something i havent seen before
>>20426919
its really hard to fuck up something as based as bad apple but they didnt even dub over オフボーカル

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:44:24 2018 No.20426947 >>20426925 Thanks my guy. I'm staying away from エロゲ but I'll look up the ones that aren't too sexual

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:45:30 2018 No.20426953 >>20426945 お前の心

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:46:07 2018 No.20426954 >>20426934 not gonna make it >>20426947 >I'm staying away from エロゲ this deserves further examination before i can tell you if you can make it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:46:57 2018 No.20426959 i feel like sakura taisen guy already made it so dont get up his ass like that imo

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:48:06 2018 No.20426963 >poplica >wubby lmao if you want to find the hardest music that still has vocals just look at the punk or metal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T35VPSLv9uM

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:48:16 2018 No.20426964 >>20426947 first one under 難しい is solid as fuck and i think a scholarly gentle man such as yourself would do well to play it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:49:06 2018 No.20426968 >>20426954 クリストの人ですから

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:49:34 2018 No.20426970 aside from that 1 sick vid w/ the yukkuris u mother fuckers failed hella heres your reward https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50kd4cNDfw0

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:50:19 2018 No.20426974 オメェのカミなんていねぇ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:51:45 2018 No.20426982 いますよせめて心の底に

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:53:39 2018 No.20426991 stop that

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:59:33 2018 No.20427012 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdWDvAxCFZ8 there we go glhf

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:01:12 2018 No.20427024 black bars on the sides is insta thumbs up from me

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:02:30 2018 No.20427032 "you should do whatever japanese you enjoy most that will make you retain the best" ok my favorite is video games and mangas "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:03:05 2018 No.20427037 >>20426963 it was just a touch dont pick on their wub metal doesnt excite me but you know what does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAVK0H8Ium4 >>20427012 this is moderately sick though omigoto >>20427032 dont worry you can make it probably

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:04:04 2018 No.20427043 i will forgive nay permit that boring song you just posted but only because of the active neets

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:05:00 2018 No.20427050 File: 66 KB, 777x447, キャプチャd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >you can't conciously learn a language >talking in the 2nd language has no benefit >the earth is flat

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:05:34 2018 No.20427056 everything above this link was trash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npikFbIB7kE#t=17

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:05:37 2018 No.20427057 full disclosure ive never heard active neets with a vocalist before so i wung it as they say turns out they do that too

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:06:48 2018 No.20427066

nobody says that talking doesnt have benefits its just a fact that you cant get good at japanese through speaking to yourself or to other people with really bad japanese so clearly if talking to japanese people is good (which it is) then its because of them talking back to you and also because of turning your core language ability into realtime speaking ability

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:08:01 2018 No.20427072 thats why if you wanna learn nihongo the best place you can go is out front of the costco in southside kawasakishi

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:11:31 2018 No.20427090 just join the marines and get sent to okinawa then chat up the local mama-san

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:12:02 2018 No.20427094 >>20415222

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:13:44 2018 No.20427103

>>20427066
I can't find anywhere where he even suggests that flashcards are bad. He makes some brilliant points but people have really ran with the 'you can't conciuosly learn' bit. I think he's phrasing wrong, because you can learn through concious effort, but it has to go through the subconcious filter. It's kind of funny because he pushes the fact you have to conciously understand the message for it to be aqauired, but then says you can't learn conciously. I get what he's saying but he should explain it better or people will think srs is bad.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:16:02 2018 No.20427114

he's very strongly against intentionally studying things that aren't present in your natural learning material in general it's just that he's focused on instruction pedagogy so he doesnt touch on things that not even classrooms do

of course flash cards arent inherently bad and theres nothing wrong with doing a few hundred when you start off but its a realdeal problem that so many people are doing thousands and thousands of flashcards and taking the jlpt and failing and dont understand shounen manga like boku no hero academia or or assassination classroom

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:17:04 2018 No.20427119 also if you want the realdeal natural srs it's song and poetry not joking its basically the best thing humanity invented for memorizing information before writing and computers

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:19:53 2018 No.20427131

*raises paw* i think the extent to which speaking helps with comprehension is the extent to which your interest is in speaking/communicating in the first place. speaking itself doesn't do anything. but it helps you pay more attention if input bores you. if input bores you you're a low IQ retard though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:20:37 2018 No.20427137 this. i literally have no goal for learning japanese and i'm still here 5 years later

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:22:05 2018 No.20427145 before we stop going beyond our usual musical boundaries i just want to clear the air and confess that i want to fuck stacks voice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guku7mg2Xeg

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:22:08 2018 No.20427146
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>>20427114
Yea I agree with that. I think it's like taking steroids, they're only effective if you're working out all the time. You have to relate and understand them as much as you can to aquire it.
>>20427119
I'm already knowing bro

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:23:18 2018 No.20427154 that kind of steroid is actually bad for you

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:25:38 2018 No.20427164 >>20427131 Speaking helps you find gaps in what you know. I've met a few people that can understand other languages and not speak them. It doesn't hurt to work on it here and there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:32:16 2018 No.20427185 File: 35 KB, 551x473, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] last for best girl

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:35:08 2018 No.20427197 so ntr whose your real best girl joodanjanai or if your gonna play hard to get lets say before you found dolly

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:35:29 2018 No.20427199

is the ん sound in 完璧 closer to an english m sound as in hum? or maybe like you're about to pronounce the ng in song but the back of your tongue doesn't touch the roof of your mouth. or maybe you're about to pronounce the ng in song but your tongue doesn't bounce off the roof to give way to the "g" sound.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:36:42 2018 No.20427203 ん　in general is closer to ng than nm it's the air vibrating near the roof and back of your mouth to be more exact

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:36:57 2018 No.20427204 >>20427199 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_(kana) its closer to whatever is easier to say

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:36:57 2018 No.20427205 no whos your best girl so i can laugh and then post the shin best girl lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:37:59 2018 No.20427212 File: 1.03 MB, 621x900, 1533516102102.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] dont mind me just posting best girl

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:39:36 2018 No.20427219 >>20427205 haruhi suzumiya of course id have to think about it but its probably an amalgamation of every tundere that is good tundere and not shit tundere you know what im sayin

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:39:38 2018 No.20427220 File: 36 KB, 225x350, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] sasugay

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:42:42 2018 No.20427228 tohsaka rin

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:43:27 2018 No.20427232 no dirty assed girls allowed

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:44:49 2018 No.20427236 File: 72 KB, 1134x607, キャプチャ8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] besuto gaaru

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:45:02 2018 No.20427237 >>20427228 this is a good answer same for me hope that doesnt bother you

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:46:04 2018 No.20427239 >>20427236 （あさひ）

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:46:24 2018 No.20427242 File: 71 KB, 261x240, Kira-stance.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] shin best girl

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:50:53 2018 No.20427265 absolutely degenerate at least pick from the vast world of taipu muun

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:51:56 2018 No.20427269 of course if pressed i'd say Type Venus but she dead and forgotten by Nasu

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:54:55 2018 No.20427280 fuckin purity disgusting impressive reach though youre far more real than me ill never doubt your authenticity again probably well see how long that lasts

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:17:40 2018 No.20427383 i was thinkin we might fuck with moving djt to mu but then i looked at mu and thats just not viable so same shit next thread everyone

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:18:05 2018 No.20427385 File: 267 KB, 801x1200, DZHWbUKVwAENcHP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] yoshi time for my reps

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:19:10 2018 No.20427392 you used to yosh every day its not the same anymore are you ok tomodati

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:20:29 2018 No.20427399 File: 1.32 MB, 1024x768, 1461020797704.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:22:48 2018 No.20427410 >>20427399 which one for you zr is mine

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:24:37 2018 No.20427416 the supreme fatness

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:27:24 2018 No.20427429 i thought for sure itd be chounaisuoppaina kanojo i could really go for some epic drills

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:28:33 2018 No.20427434 todokanai is djt at large snorts

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:47:52 2018 No.20427509 >>20427103 He explains the difference between acquisition and learning all the time, which clears up any confusion.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:50:59 2018 No.20427522

http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2016/08/25/what-80-comprehension-feels-like

lol this dude is talking about how even 95% comprehension is a pain but I'm sitting here at like 10% plowing through this nonsense every day hoping one day it will start to flow through me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:52:23 2018 No.20427532 >>20427522 Put in more effort and surely you can get 90%, or at least the delusion of getting 90%.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:55:50 2018 No.20427544 >>20427522 enjoying 80% is all about attitude if you really are at 10% though thats not comprehensible

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:57:44 2018 No.20427551 click here for 1000% https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFKvOPQyVL0

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:58:27 2018 No.20427554 https://streamable.com/h3g6y

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:59:34 2018 No.20427558 he certainly is str8 up lemon party shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:00:27 2018 No.20427562 >>20427554 thats going in krashners first hit baby

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:04:57 2018 No.20427578 >>20427551 had to let that finish its a good one but i gotta ask in your pursuit for shit have you found some tunes fully windowboxed

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:17:36 2018 No.20427623 step into my office https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CBCC_hiKM

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:19:02 2018 No.20427632

>>20427509
>“We acquire language in only one way: when we understand what people say and when we understand what we read”
>“Language acquisition is a subconscious process; while it is happening we are not aware that it is happening"
>– Stephen Krashen
Well is it concious understanding or subconciuos? He claims both.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:19:21 2018 No.20427634 oh dang i got ripped off it looks windowboxed on yt site but in the embed it dont like the title says

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:19:48 2018 No.20427636 >>20426466 Nobody voted for ecelebs. It's official. Eceleb posting is bad but it's nowhere near the worst of our problems.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:21:45 2018 No.20427647 yeah ecelebs arent what keep you from learning nihongo its you who keeps you from learning nihongo the shin answer is to ban yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:23:18 2018 No.20427652 Why are people still linking that guide by the emo aussie?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:26:34 2018 No.20427661 https://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/139549834452 Wow this person learned enough nihongo to translate but didn't use anki?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:28:13 2018 No.20427668 whats fucked up is there isnt some other weeb you can link after all this time that learned japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:30:13 2018 No.20427674 >>20427668 I only post this because some other dude posted it in this thread before. I don't know Japanese and I don't know other translators. Low effort bait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:30:43 2018 No.20427676 its still the truth tho aint none of yall can do it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:32:13 2018 No.20427686 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCKkHqlx9dE Wow this person had enough skills to build a house and he didn't use any modern tools?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:33:34 2018 No.20427692 >>20427686 heh fucking wrecked

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:36:43 2018 No.20427703 >ヴォイニッチの科学書 >ヴ what?

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:36:56 2018 No.20427704

alternatively you have a retarded brick layer who just starts laying flashcards all haphazardly and his literal and proverbial house of cards falls beneath its own weight like a jenga tower while mud man stays dry and warm until he gets hired for his architectural ability and starts building mansions

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:39:45 2018 No.20427723

>>20427623
i dont see windowboxing even on the site but yt is indefinitely broken so what can you do
>>20427632
where does he claim its conscious are you confused
>>20427647
thats what i voted for
>>20427686
props for not linking a ripoff
>>20427703
its how you write vu or vo in this case but you still say bu or bo in this case becasue nihonjin are incapable of learning foreign sounds
id have told you to fuckin google it but no one ever will
>>20427704
too many flashcards is a fire hazard thats the problem its one thing to waste your time but dudes might not make it if someone doesnt try to help em out

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:43:15 2018 No.20427739 man if i could get wifi in my mud hut and run a several mile extension cord i would be set

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:47:25 2018 No.20427758 >>20427723 How exactly do you understand what you hear and read subconciously when the subconscious is the part of consciousness that is not in focal awareness?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:50:15 2018 No.20427765 autiggity

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:51:43 2018 No.20427775 File: 52 KB, 861x493, book.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've been pruning bookmarks in my AJATT video timestamp folder tonight.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:53:22 2018 No.20427786 now that is some autiggity

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:55:56 2018 No.20427796

>>20427739
thats the life i dont want to give up gigabit though
>>20427758
you know when you know what something means and you didnt have to think about what it means at all you just heard it and it made sense
thats because your subconscious told your conscious whats up
read more about subconscious its cool shit
>>20427775
rip an era is over whats gonna replace it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:57:26 2018 No.20427803 >>20427796 Nothing except more reading and listening. I spent a lot of time bookmarking silly stuff instead of just learning the language.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 23:00:05 2018 No.20427810 >>20427803 we all make mistakes but now were gonna make it otagai gambarimashou

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 23:08:20 2018 No.20427839 unfortunately i used flashcards when i started out so now matter how hard i avoid flashcards now i will never turn into moogy 2.0

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 23:18:00 2018 No.20427860 >>20427632 Language acquisition and language learning are two different things and Krashen explains it in detail on many occasions.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 23:23:18 2018 No.20427882

>>20427796
It was part of my visual communications degree. Reading, listening to words, driving a car, etc. takes concious effort to do. Unless it's a primal response you must focus on concoiusly to initially understand it. You can't say you must be understanding things to aquire the language but then say understanding isn't part of the process. Understanding is the job of the concious. The subconcious doesn't even understand words. It has primal resonses to pictorial things and colors.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 23:31:03 2018 No.20427906 >>20427686 はくじんげんじゅうみんあにきにほんでもゆうめいだよ

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 23:33:58 2018 No.20427920

>>20427882
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/11/07/1211645109
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440575/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_cognition
not saying any of this is definitive but your whatever class you took sure was shit if it explicitly taught you otherwise

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 23:34:37 2018 No.20427924

>>20427882
>The subconcious doesn't even understand words
Ding dong you're wrong, or are you willing to say that you consciously select each word you use every time you open your mouth for an utterance? Because those words all go through unconscious processes (except for the relatively rare occurrence where you consciously decide to say a specific word over another, whether it be for a pun, etc.). The unconscious therefore does understand words because it has to in order to effectively pull them out of your lexicon.
To be clear, if the conscious had to do that job then it would be too slow and it would take forever to say one sentence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 23:38:52 2018 No.20427936 >>20427882 whoever taught you that was a crank

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 23:52:20 2018 No.20427966 >>20427920 That's all "nonconscious" (as in asleep) not subconscious. No your subconcious can't read LOL

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 23:59:02 2018 No.20427987 >>20427924 They work together in every aspect really, which is my point. Krashen claims we aquire language by understanding, which is concious, but then says it's a subconcious process.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 00:10:48 2018 No.20428031 >>20427987 Understanding is not conscious, you do not have to pause and think about every word you read in this thread, only the overall meaning of the utterances.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 00:11:05 2018 No.20428032 understanding is the conscious result of subconscious processes

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 00:17:55 2018 No.20428053

>>20428031
>Understanding is not conscious
>[citation needed]
You make conscious effort and focus to do any of that though.
>>20428032
Can't argue with that much, the creation of the consciousness is whats in charge and still what does the focusing and understanding. They work together on all fronts. It hard wires things on the down low which is what Krashen meant.

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 00:34:45 2018 No.20428088

>>20428053
>You make conscious effort and focus to do any of that though.
Breathing, blinking, controlling blood pressure, understanding words.
>citation needed
If you have a respectable IQ then it should be obvious after it was said that you don't have to consciously think about the meaning of every word as you read a post in this thread. That should be all the proof you need; grabbing known words from your inner lexicon need not be conscious.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 00:34:48 2018 No.20428089 Any website that streams anime with japanese subtitles?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 00:36:22 2018 No.20428091 >>20428089 daiweeb and animelon

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 00:42:48 2018 No.20428108 >>20428088 Is having a feeling or emotional response to something understanding it? I mean there's prolly little things it's doing to help understand it but you still have to focus on it to a degree to have any real understanding.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 00:44:24 2018 No.20428113 is there a way to update all your cards to add a new dictionary/remove old ones you have in yomichan currently

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 00:47:01 2018 No.20428120

>>20427882
when you truly now something the meaning is automatic. as soon as you hear you have the meaning. If you're still learning sometimes you have to consciously think about it. the moment you see the shape of a word you subconsciously recall the meaning.

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 00:53:28 2018 No.20428140

>>20428108
>>20428108
>Is having a feeling or emotional response to something understanding it?
Yes because you need to understand it to have a response. Whether you fully understand it or not is something else entirely, you can shit your pants seeing a big shadow without knowing it's just being cast by a tiny ant.

The only thing you have to focus on is looking at the words on the page. But anything other than that is unconscious. Hell, you don't even actually read the words in their entirely, you just look at their shape. Yeah you heard me, I'm sure you know about the research where they scramble words so that the only letters in their correct place is the first and last letters and you can still read it perfectly without effort.
>Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm.

As for listening, it's an entirely different ballgame. Check out the cocktail party effect where, given absolutely no conscious effort or even attention onto the speaker, if they say you're name you're instantly pulled in to what they're saying. That requires understanding that your name was just said.

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 01:14:12 2018 No.20428196

>>20428140
If you were poked by a nail your subconscious might send a sensation of pain when it sees a nail, but understand that pain and understanding that it's still just a nail is the conciousness. I'm aware that the subconscious can unscrable codes and what not, but that's not comprehension either. Anyways I need to go to sleep but it was fun fleshing this out. The brain is pretty cool and complicated.

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 01:24:20 2018 No.20428217

>>20428196
Just so you know, I'm interpreting your "need to go to sleep" as cowardice because you realized you're talking with someone who also knows his shit and you're unwilling to have your beliefs challenged, so much so that you have to end with the cop out "the brain is complicated". When you "wake up" go do quick googling about unconscious semantic processing. The fact is, the unconscious can and does understand semantic meaning.

You do not have to consciously decide what each word you read means.
You do not have to consciously decide each word you're going to say based on meaning.
You do not consciously understand almost all grammar rules in your native language, you just DO IT.
If what you're actually trying to say is that your unconscious cannot understand language, you're education on the topic was fucked somewhere along the line because you're wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 01:34:41 2018 No.20428233 New guy here. I thought this was a thread about learning Japanese not discussing "jamal" whoever that is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 01:37:40 2018 No.20428242 >>20413039 I'm at 8k words seen and I didn't start reading until just last week. I wish I would have started sooner because its easier then I expected.

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 01:50:59 2018 No.20428271

i did it
i finally found a method of studying that seems to be working
it's called putting in at least 4 hours a day at a bare minimum and realizing that shortcuts don't exist
and revolves mostly around reading (fucking anything so long as it's written by a literate native) while using several anki decks for rote memorization purposes

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 02:04:39 2018 No.20428309 >see a word 10 times >still fuck up the reading >comes up in mining deck >never forget it based anki

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 02:18:50 2018 No.20428342 >>20428271 I found out that this method is what works the best for me too, nice find.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 02:48:40 2018 No.20428421 >>20417144 >>20420964 >>20421770 >>20422398 >>20423571 You seem to be confused. Manga isn't reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 02:56:25 2018 No.20428441 >>20428421 You seem to be confused. You don't know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 03:15:35 2018 No.20428488 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxrDLLgoCPU its good

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 03:40:09 2018 No.20428543 can't help but notice that there was some boiro activity here today https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/dark.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 04:26:11 2018 No.20428637 >The people on LingQ who count English words they encounter towards their Japanese total Disgusting

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 04:28:49 2018 No.20428649 File: 159 KB, 1000x800, 1521731428130.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20428637 What the fuck are you talking about?

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 04:30:25 2018 No.20428657
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>>20428543
He added a table of contents with anchors after the version hosted on itazuraneko added one. That's an interesting circle of improvement. I wonder if he will add the VNDB links to the example references, only time will tell. The image is cute, saved.

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 04:35:06 2018 No.20428669

>>20428649
I clicked on the word "Wi-Fi" just now to ignore it and it said that 4 people added it to their seen words, which means 4 people are counting it towards their total amount of Japanese words.
It doesn't actually effect me but it makes my butt fluster whenever I see it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 04:37:42 2018 No.20428675 >>20428669 Autistic freak.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 04:40:09 2018 No.20428683 >>20428637 >the people who care about what other people do on stupid gamification websites

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 04:43:21 2018 No.20428689 >>20428683 >gamification I'm sorry you think learning has to be a chore

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 04:49:04 2018 No.20428704

read miyamoto edson's paper "understanding sentences in japanese bit by bit" if you wanna know if you're on the right track with the ways you've been parsing sentences. it covers how japanese people parsing various japanese sentences is similar/different to the ways that english people parse similar sentences.

listen to a researcher with citations over an n2 who's advice is based on extrapolations from their experience with sparse, contrived babby japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 04:53:04 2018 No.20428718 >>20428704 I'm an n2 and I can confirm, I literally just brute force it by reading the same sentence a few times until I get it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 05:01:41 2018 No.20428748 >>20428718 at least you're not trying to reinvent the parsing wheel on your own, or circumvent it entirely with shortcuts (start reading from the end of a sentence-- lol!!)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 05:21:18 2018 No.20428803 >>20428689 I'll use LingQ when I can read entire light novels I would have read anyway on it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 05:23:01 2018 No.20428810 >>20428803 You can though, I'm reading one right now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 05:24:56 2018 No.20428823 >>20428810 Fuck, now I have to actually check it out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 05:43:33 2018 No.20428903 おはようおにいちゃんきょうもいちにちがんばった？

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 06:11:25 2018 No.20429015 File: 136 KB, 300x300, 1518233014324.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >It's one of those days where you wake up and seem to have lost half of your Japanese ability

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 06:13:01 2018 No.20429024 >>20428903 かあさん、止めておねがい

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 06:19:57 2018 No.20429048

that face when you are going to a university in japan and as you're talking to some cuties a fat gaijin hunter comes up to you and says that she wants to go to america and become the strongest foreigner and you later find out that she wasn't even a student there wtf

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 06:27:37 2018 No.20429077 >>20429048 tfw no fat gaijin hunter gf

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 06:36:32 2018 No.20429117 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixYfrn2AdL0 NEVER GIVE UP, DJT

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 07:36:11 2018 No.20429335 File: 21 KB, 244x307, que-11127662941.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20429024 おにいちゃんをたべてやろうか

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 07:37:06 2018 No.20429341 Last post for Nuke-chan

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 07:38:10 2018 No.20429343 File: 262 KB, 528x501, 1440122213112.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Real last post for Steve

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 07:38:50 2018 No.20429349 Last post for the next thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 07:39:58 2018 No.20429352 The actual last post for the next thread messing up the OP

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 07:40:48 2018 No.20429354 Last post for the next post making this post out-dated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 07:52:34 2018 No.20429400 >>20429341 >>20429343 >>20429349 >>20429352 >>20429354 You lot are really bad at this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 07:57:04 2018 No.20429420 >>20429400 last for お前もな

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 08:06:36 2018 No.20429465 >embrace anki >finish all reviews in 5 minutes Man sometimes I dread it but it's so easy to complete if I just get it out of the way when I wake up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 08:12:31 2018 No.20429496 >>20429465 ah, the illusion of progress

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 08:19:18 2018 No.20429516 >>20429496 that's how reading felt to me. no improvement after 2 months.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 08:20:36 2018 No.20429518 that's because it takes more than 2 months for your first epiphanies to start happening

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 08:26:27 2018 No.20429538

>>20427966
not sure if sarcasm but itd be pretty good if it wasnt
>>20427987
>They work together in every aspect really,
sure
>by understanding, which is concious,
nah
conscious focus is important in your reading and listening but its not because your conscious mind is the only part that can understand youre gonna have to back that up with something
>>20428140
>But anything other than that is unconscious.
id point out that you can consciously break down text your subconscious didnt understand too thats what anki masters are doin but its a bit of a different process
>>20428196
>but understand that pain and understanding that it's still just a nail is the conciousness.
youre not giving enough credit to subconscious thought and youre giving far too much credit to conscious thought
its strange to me that you are argue with such conviction without anything but your own theory and a fuckin communications degree
if you found one paper post y2k that suggests anything near what youre sayin id be a lot more open to it but you seem to consider yourself the expert
>>20428748
>(start reading from the end of a sentence-- lol!!)
is this real 笑う
>>20429048
itiban tuyoi gaijin holy shit are you going to set her up with michael ajatt
>>20429465
>>finish all reviews in 5 minutes
your gonna make it
>>20429516
shit i was wrong what happened tomodati give details lets debug

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 08:34:28 2018 No.20429576 File: 30 KB, 354x352, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] last for secret shin best girl

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 08:36:39 2018 No.20429590 >>20429576 now thats more like it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 08:38:01 2018 No.20429594 File: 19 KB, 285x307, hair blowing in the wind of KNOWLEDGE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] last for pretty peoples

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 08:40:06 2018 No.20429605 can you even post that on a 4channel board thats so illicit

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 08:41:49 2018 No.20429618 File: 198 KB, 200x233, skype dance.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HZbBLl4FA0

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 08:47:28 2018 No.20429651 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HZbBLl4FA0&t=104 fixed your link

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