DJT# 2015 Daily Japanese Thread

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This is a Japanese language learning thread for people interested in anime, manga, visual novels, light novels and Japanese video games.

Read the guide before asking questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous Thread: >>19919585

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おはあ

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コーヒーを飲む

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漫画食べられそう

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How did you know it was me

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There are simply too many words and too many kanji. I have a decent grasp on basic to intermediate grammar now, to the point where every sentence I "read" is looking up the words in between the grammar points. Over and over again. Rarely finally memorizing a word, rarely ever seeing the words I look up enough times to memorize them. I've reached true despair.

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>>19928362
do you have a mining deck

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>>19928381
He used /pol/ npc meme you best to ignore him probably a reddit repost

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what do y'all think about lingQ?

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>>19928497
what it offers is unnecessary just consume compelling content

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>>19928554
at least put a hachimaki on that fuckin loser or just post yosh

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Imagine my reaction as I enthusiastically prepared myself to have, as always, a espectacular time in another fantastic DJT thread, and then suddenly I look at the catalog and see fucking this... 2 hours early, really? What is wrong with you? This isn't a damned race. Don't you know it is poor form to create a thread before the old one dies? Don't you feel bad for the person whose thread got knocked off the board, just because you're an impatient and reckless child? The pseudo-human (if you can even call him that) even removed the second line of the OP (essential in every respectable DJT thread). Unbelievable. Needless to say I was shocked and full of disgust. DJT culture has really declined.

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what program do i use to log what i did for study today

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How come in English you say "eat manga" instead of "reading manga"?

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>>19928646
i think it's an important part of djt culture to fuck up at least two things in every op so i'd say he's preserving it

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>>19928659
because manga is something you eat, you say the same thing in japanese, are you new to manga

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>>19928566
yoshi

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>>19928466

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>>19928649
I use a spreadsheet for this

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>>19928664
you mean mango you fucking retard

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>>19928688
I probably need to find a calendar/date template and do the same. I won't log every day. Just once every few days, or maybe once a week to detail my struggle, what I focused on, what I did to try to figure out something, what I listened to, etc.

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>>19928530
my problem is finding any content that is anywhere close to being comprehensible at my level

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>>19928649
Brand new invention, i call it the ink on paper by means of pen

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gotta start memorizing vocab, reading and listening every day while consulting grammar guides my man. gotta bruteforce that shit

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>>19928699
you might be expecting appropriate content to be much easier than it should be, not understanding some of it is fine as long as there are some parts you do understand

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what if i want to log what ive studied to compare over time but i havent logged what ive studied for the last year so the data is already ruined

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>>19928715
i think that i know what you mean, but the problem is that there usually aren't any parts that i understand so there isn't any context to build from

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Every time I think I expanded my vocabulary, I read one fucking panel of a beginner level manga and find 5 new words.

It never ends, this shit.

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>>19928744
>he didn't finish Core174k before reading

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>>19928733
if you've already done something yotsuba-tier try an easy vn from union shift blossom or an ln
otherwise do something yotsuba-tier for a few volumes

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god dammit i just took a massive shit which shaved 20 minutes off my dedicated reading time. and i had to post about it here which shaved off another 20 seconds.

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>>19928744
>reading american comics
>see an unknown word
>google it be done within 10 seconds
>be reading manga
>see unknown kanji
>spend 10 minutes playing lego on jisho.
kanji is cancer

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>>19928784
better cut 20 minutes and 20 seconds out of your dedicated sleeping time or your dedicated masturbation time

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>>19928788
>taking out of dedicated masturbation time
OVER THE LINE

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>>19928787
>playing lego on jisho.
google translate handwriting input with a mouse seems faster to me than radical lookup, then copy and paste to jisho or qolibri or whatever
over time you also get better at guessing readings or at least improvising typing it using other words you know

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>>19928787
You should know all the kanji already that arent given furigana

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>>19928803
what if you dont

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>>19928803
Just today I met 臀部 in the doujinshi I masturbated to. Somehow I avoided 臀 so far despite knowing over 2600 unique kanji.

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>>19928803
He should have done wanikani.

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there's two をs in a sentence and i'm freaking out because i don't know how to deal with them

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>>19928768
B-but reading is the answer, you will learn all of the vocab naturally, it's completely different from core trust me.

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>>19928814
posting the sentence is less of a waste than what you posted instead

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>>19928836
i no longer ask for help here because i know i will be made fun of and told to read more.

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>>19928768
Now we need the world's most complete grammar deck to supplement this so in 20 years we can be ready to start reading.

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>>19928842
you're shitting up the thread more than the people you're complaining about

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>>19928843
throw in a youtube eceleb program. 5 videos a day of ***t and st*ve

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>>19928845
i'm not complaining about anyone.

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>>19928812
wtf even is wanikani
is it literally just anki + mnemonics for 2yos

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>>19928863
Don't forget paying. It's for people who think that paying == making efforts.

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>>19928659
Because manga isn't reading.

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>>19928787
see above

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ミサ先生をやりたい

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>>19928875
あたしもミサにエッチなことをしたい

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Anybody else collecting kanji in anki like good guy Danzo collects sharingans?

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>>19928875
人殺しは犯罪です

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>>19928895
I collect them more like Ozen collects pins.

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>>19928895
You'll stop paying attention to that eventually. I'm still 350 short of 4k senpai.

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pic related is how 冷たい appears on Core 2k/6k (for me), is this wrong?

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>>19928969
in fonts, that is chinese, japanese has the second to last stroke with a hook and the final stroke vertical
in handwriting, 冷 is written in the chinese way

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>>19928914
ちょうどマンコ殺すの場合はどうなり？

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>>19928995
Thanks,
I've been having this problem with a lot of other kanji also, like しめる (tighten, fasten), in which I am unable to select the "correct" kanji from the list I am given when writing it down.

Do I have to download some additional program to fix this or something?

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>>19928969
i should add that while it's not a problem there, chinese fonts will mislead you more significantly with some other kanji, so you should check the anki guide on itazuraneko for changing fonts

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>>19928787
>>reading american comics
>>see an unknown word
are you 5?

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>>19929035
Probably an ESL

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>>19929064
a 5 year old ESL

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>>19929068
Most likely

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>>19928895
I know 2000 kanji and i stop doing that back when i knew 1700. I still add some when i keep forgetting them, the last one i've add was 淵 and it was 3 months ago

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>>19927673
>5000 words before reading
Holy kek, I started with 300

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>>19929174
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. And I am using the word "can" very liberally in this case. Reading with 300 word vocab is unoptimal on many levels.

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>>19929200
Starting to read with anything more than 0 vocab is suboptimal

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>>19929200
I never had in issue because Im not a bitch who needs to feel safe by already knowing 90% of the words.

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>>19929200
It's still way more optimal than droning core for 8 months without doing anything else.

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>>19929213
It's about efficiency. You're going to learn the words the hard way in any case, there's only one way to do it in the end. But you're adding in a lot of un-needed noise by reading shit you can't understand and get nothing from.

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>>19929200
reading with a vocab of 300 words is more optimal than waiting until you're 5000 words deep into core i can guarantee you that

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>>19929231
>But you're adding in a lot of un-needed noise by reading shit you can't understand and get nothing from.
what you can and can't understand is determined by grammar, not words
if you don't know the words you look them up, what the fuck are you doing boy

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言葉にならない確信が、俺には強く感じられる

I feel a strong conviction that can't be described.

Is this right?

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>>19929231
What's even less efficient is getting burnt out just grinding flashcards forever with no feeling of progress and quitting.

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>>19929240
>if you don't know the words you look them up, what the fuck are you doing boy
And there is the problem. You are spending more time looking up words individually than learning them in bulk otherwise. Again, it all goes back to efficiency. There is no valid argument for learning by looking up each one individually, as opposed to learning all the common words in one place.

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>>19929231
>and get nothing from
Nice assumption, Dekinai.

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>>19929271
Yeah its super time consuming to mouse over words with rikai, use lwt or lingq, or use a text hooker.

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>>19929271
you are heavily overestimating how many words you have to look up with a tiny vocabulary and heavily underestimating how many words you have to look up with a medium-small vocabulary, and there is no efficiency in avoiding reading for 8 months
also memorizing words in anki doesn't mean you "know" them

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>>19929231
anki can help, but learning is the best and only way to learn to read japanese.

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Here's some nihonjins talking about how much Japan blows and they want to escape to the west.
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1085585250

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>>19929307
but * reading is

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あたしは強いですわ

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>>19929309
i cant read that because i dont know japanese which is why im in this thread

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>>19929304
When did we decide 8 months, and when did we decide 5000 words? A couple months is enough to learn a decent vocab, 1000-2000 depending on your pacing, possibly more if you go super autismo.

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>>19929307
You should start reading as soon as you know kana.

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>>19929326
>when did we decide 5000 words
>>19927673
>Everything gets a LOT easier if you know the equivalent of 5000~ words
1000-2000 before reading is overkill, 300-800 is acceptable, 0 is not as big of a deal as dekinai make it out to be especially if you've watched your 10000 hours

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>>19929366
Well that was another anon, 5000 is a bit on the overkill side but 300 is definitely just going to create more problems than it's worth. You will get through it eventually, and the eventual progress might be enough to convince yourself that your method was optimal, but that doesn't change the fact that you could have made more progress quicker by expanding upon your vocabulary beforehand.

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reading graded readers was, by far, times more useful than spending an hour to read 1 yotsuba chapter. I must agree with
>>19929233
(I have recently passed N4 so your mileage may vary)

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>>19929383
>yotsuba chapter
But yotsuba is shit for beginner reading. Constant switching between pure kana and kanji, intentionally poor grammar, confusing dialects, etc. It's terrible for a learning manga.

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>>19929383
>>19929396
Manga isn't reading though.

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>>19929402
Is visual novel reading?

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>>19929396
Then why is it recommended?

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>>19929396
>yotuba is shit
>proceeds to list reasons why it's good

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>>19929407
I usually go with read or play. I haven't really thought about it though so can't give a definite answer.
>>19929411
Because its good why else

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>>19929396
Yotubato is real Japanese and exactly the sort of thing you are going to encounter with any native material with a focus on dialog.

>>19929411
Everyone should read the series and it also happens to be easier than a lot of other content.

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>>19929411
why is hanahira recommended when most vns are more engaging and many of them are easier
because beginners create and repeat bad advice while they are busy doing rtk and learning 5000 words before they start reading

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recommending yotsuba to beginners is like putting an american into a car with a manual transmission

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the problem with early reading is it doesn't matter if i can look up all the words because i still don't know how the fuck to comprehend which word is modifying another word, which set of words are referring back to another set of words at the beginning of a sentence, or anything like that. fuck grammar and the weird structure of japanese

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>>19929444
in other words it can work if they're resourceful or have some knowledge but if they don't like it there's no reason they can't switch

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>>19929434
>Yotubato is real Japanese and exactly the sort of thing you are going to encounter with any native material with a focus on dialog.
Unless you are conversing with a bipolar child, this is completely untrue.

Yotsuba is absolutely shit for learning. For a beginner, Yotsuba speaking in her broken kana is a nightmare to sort through and it doesn't actually build any meaningful skills. Each adult uses a different kind of dialect that you won't see in actual writing, only in stylized children's stories. It is just strictly worse than other entry level manga that isn't bogged down by all the extra crap.

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>>19929463
someone didn't skim tae kim
you don't need to learn grammar just learn basic sentence structure and that particles exist and you're good to go

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>>19929444
So a correct thing to do? The main reason Yotsubato gets shoved into various beginner reading lists is because it's supposed to be compelling for most readers. Of course the advice of "go look for whatever you like to read" is too difficult for the bunch following e-celebs, so they will brainlessly follow the guides as if they were the holy scriptures and then complain about Yotsubato being "too hard" and "boring".
>dem digits though

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>>19929476
i've read the first two or three sections of tae kim once and reread several articles in each section several times over. still not helping. still have no idea what's going on 75% of the time. i just have to take a guess as to what the random assortment of words are doing to one another based on context, but i'm not internalizing the order at all. so if a sentence has the words "baked and cake it oven in placed" i can piece together that it probably means "placed the cake in oven and baked it" but as i just said, i'm not internalizing the grammar at all. i am just pulling guesses straight out my ass. i really hope it just takes forever to internalize shit and i'm not just hopelessly retarded.

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>>19929492
You are hopelessly retarded for expecting to learn a language with that little input. Have you finished even one novel?

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>>19929518
no

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>>19929528
Then stop whining and get started on it.

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>>19929492
This is how language acquisition works

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You would need at least a hundred hours of reading or active listening to start internalising the simplest grammar. And no, manga isn't reading for the purpose of this advice.

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>>19929546
It takes 3000-4000 hours to fluency so that sounds about right

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>>19929537
already got started a couple weeks ago and have been diligently reading it every day
>>19929542
thank god. i am terrified of doing this every day for hours and then being in the same spot 6 months from now.

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>>19929560
がんばれ

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>>19929546
So skim a grammar guide, read for an hour or two for a week and then re-skim a grammar guide?

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>>19929016
強姦するの犯罪です

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>>19929572
*read for an hour or two a day

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>>19929396
100% agree. Yotsuba will just make you realize how futile it is to learn japanese.

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>>19929572
you don't need to re-skim a grammar guide, if you run into something you can't figure out and you can't understand the other sentences without understanding that one you can check dojg but for the most part you just need to read/listen for many hours
every time you are even partially right on what a sentence means, the grammar is slowly becoming internalized, it just takes a lot of exposure so focus on finding more of those sentences

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>>19929546
Can you recommend a good beginners book then? I've been reading childrens fables and they're boring asf.

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>>19929605
Whatever you personally find not boring m8. I liked キノの旅 and 絶対霊域 that seem to be the common recommendations for beginners, but the important part is where you like whatever you read.

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>>19929603
>every time you are even partially right on what a sentence means, the grammar is slowly becoming internalized
That's just a load of bull. It will reinforce what you already know, sure, but you won't learn new concepts by validating your current knowledge. If you can understand parts of the sentence, good job. But that's not good enough, not nearly. The only way to learn is to go back to the basics and grind out all of the vocab you don't understand, which is likely 90% of the shit you are reading at that stage.

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>>19929603
So like lingosteve says except skim at the same time period as reading in the beginning, gotcha.

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>>19929620
why did you respond to a claim about grammar with a claim about vocab
also how did you learn your native language

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All those kanji feel like bunch of random lines. Even when you learn radicals its just, most of the time, bunch of nonsense that have nothing to do with resulting kanji. And then there are multiple readings and meanings. How do you guys remember all this shit?

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>>19929644
That's fresh.

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>>19929644
I did RTK so every kanji feels very distinct and I can remember them pretty well. There's kanji not in RTK1 I instantly remember after only seeing once.

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>>19929644
you remember readings and meanings by learning words

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>>19929644
If you are doing RTK i strongly advise you to practice the writting of every kanji you do on anki, it helps a lot and after a while it won't be just a bunch of random lines

Also make a shorty story using the kanjis you used that day, that will help you connect actual words with the kanji you learned and it will help your grammar too.

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>>19929683
>>19929771
I looked into rtk, but the word order feels so strange. When I learn some verbs, or adjectives or anything that can be grouped it helps, but the rtk order is whatever. I tried making mnemonics but it was pointless. But I will try to make some sentences out of the learned Kanji. It seems useful.

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>>19929796
>RTK
>Word order

You won't be learning any words from it, my dude...

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>>19929808
Single kanji are still words, aren't they?

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>>19929821
Some are, but most aren't.

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>>19929821
Kanji are symbols that represent morphemes. Some morphemes are words.

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get a load of this morpheme *farts*

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>>19929796
>>19929821
No. Kanji aren't words, specially in the case of RTK which is a mnemonic system for Remembering Kanji/Radicals that a lot of times make use of keywords that sometimes have barely if any relation to the definitions. Which is fine because it's not for learning words.

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>>19929906
>>19929915
>>19929930
I guess it's over my head how stuff like: old, four, morning, left or any of the stuff in book, aren't words.You can even use all those kanji on their own in sentences

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>>19928362
Oh wow generic Wojak meme 408.

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>>19929959
All the words in RTK are English words. You need to learn Japanese words and what they mean, and a lot of Japanese words are made up of multiple morphemes, and thus are represented with multiple kanji when written.

RTK is just teaching you to associate kanji with English words, and the English words happen to roughly correspond to the meaning of the morphemes that the kanjis represent.

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>>19929959
i didn't know keywords could be so dangerous to people who jump straight into rtk without learning anything about the language

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>>19929980
In my mother tongue there's a saying: make a fool pray, he'll smash his forehead

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To give a simple example:

犬 in RTK is dog. It represents the Japanese morphemes inu and ken. Inu is a word on its own which means dog, ken also means dog (but it is not always the case that all the morphemes represented by a kanji have the same meaning) and is used in multi-morpheme words like 猟犬 ryouken which means hunting dog.

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>>19930006
For kunyomi it's better to say "can correspond to", not "represent". Otherwise you'll have a hard time with verbs and multitudes of kanji used to write them.

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No one really cares about that nerd shit you know

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>>19929959
All things you could have learned by learning words tho

RTK is a crutch and should only be used by those who literally cannot distinguish between Kanji like 大　犬　太　人　火。 On a long enough timeline the gal who learns vocab will be able to distinguish between different kanji just as well as the RTKer, except the vocab gal will have actually been able to read for a while and will be reinforcing her knowledge through exposure to words and making the connections that way.

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>>19930017
Yeah okurigana kinda complicates things, so really kanji have readings and represent morphemes on their own or combined with okurigana, I guess. Something like that.

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>>19930030
>those who literally cannot distinguish between Kanji like 大　犬　太　人　火
So mentally handicapped?

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>>19930030
>except the vocab gal will have actually been able to read for a while
but they can't read until they learn 5000 words

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>>19930030
>gal
women can't learn japanese.

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>>19930043
This is true, but learning 2000 kanji is not learning 5000 words either.

It's gonna be miserable business at the start no matter what. A good 50% of learning written Japanese is dealing with the fact that the brain likes to protest against things it thinks are dumb, like the fact that 負ける・勝つ sound nothing like 勝負 despite using the same Kanji. Or the fact that すむ can be 住む and 済む (and 棲む to a lesser extent), or 読んでいる　呼んでいる meaning wildly different things despite sounding identical.

Of course, once you know the words, your brain usually defaults to the correct option because logic dictates that おい！課長をよんでっこい！has a zero % chance of being about READING the 課長 unless he's been mysteriously transformed into a book or something dumb.

On a long enough timeline, short of actually being Nukemarine himself, anyone who does not give up and consistently reads/plays/listens to/engages with any language they're learning will learn these things and work out these kinks. Sometimes it's gonna be quicker or slower depending on the day, what words you meet, etc.

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>>19929930
Are you one of those people who thinks 行 means "go"?

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I just wanted to learn how to write some "easy" adjectives like 難, 静, 嫌, 熱 but even this is hard. Just bunch of random lines. And how can you guys read any runes in browser, without zooming in, when it's all so small.

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>>19930156
I think you should get your eyes checked, and maybe even your while you're at it IQ

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>>19930156
writing is easy when you've written a lot
reading is easy when you've read a lot

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someone correct my letter to my sensei about me living with a homestay family
[redacted]先生へ
[redacted]先生お元気ですか。台風の後、町は大丈夫ですか？イギリスはとても寒いです。今僕はイギリスの家族と町の遠いに住んでいますここは色々な牛がいます。僕の家族は三人です。みんな優しい人がちょっとうるさいです。おじさんは駅員しています。 ここは静かだからたいてい暇です。 妹は近い中学校にいきます学校に友達と毎日遊びますですから時々遅く帰ります。 お母さんは上手な料理をします。毎日大学でお母さんの料理をt食べたい
からだに気をつけてください

二十一日九月

[redacted]
I'm still at chapter 8 of genki so please be very gentle. my teacher is going to review this tomorrow.

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>>19930218
>色々な牛がいます

ホントにイギリス人か？アメリカらしいとオモいます。

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>>19930156
By having an IQ above room temperature.

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>>19929200
Reading early isn't about efficiency. It's to prevent people from dunning krugering. If you're constantly reminded how bad you suck, then you have no choice but to get better. Otherwise, you run the risk of thinking you know Japanese just because you finished rtk/core/genki or whatever.

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>>19930130
I'll bite just to see where you're going with this. Yes.

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>>19930257
https://jisho.org/search/%E8%A1%8C
Better think again then.

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>>19930254
>Reading early isn't about efficiency.
but it is
>It's to prevent people from dunning krugering
that's a bonus, it's amusing and sad to see people go "okay i finished core6k and tried to read and it was hard so i'm going to do core10k first"

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>>19930275
Are you sure you didn't reply to the wrong person with >>19930130?

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>>19930257

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>>19930300
Shit you're right, was meant for >>19929959
I don't even have quote links on my shitty laptop because too lazy

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>>19930275
>>19930400

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How deep in where you when you realized it was 100% impossible to become fluent in japanese?
2 years for me.

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来る means come and 行く means go, except in porn when it also means come

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why does 錆びる looks different on google translate vs jisho? on jisho the bottom radical is 円 instead of 月 I assume it's some chinese/japanese font thing, but is there a way to fix it on my end?

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>>19930429
except 来る also means go, as in go to something outside your house your 温泉に来る
the more you know..

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>>19930438
Its the traditional form. They simplified the jouyou kanji to look like 青 but all jinmeiyou is still in the old form in most fonts

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>>19930419
I knew it from day one because I was neither a child nor willing to live in Japan for 40 years

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>>19930442
温泉に出る
and using 'leave' to go to, gotta love japanese lol

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Don't do RTK it's pointless unless you want to become proficient at writing and already know some Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930408
The point is it does mean "go" but it does also mean a multitude of other things that RTK doesn't teach you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930471
This, and you have to do it in that order if you want RTK to be useful for writing because otherwise you won't remember which kanji go with which Japanese words you've learned and you'll have to practice writing those words separately anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930494
>you won't remember which kanji go with which Japanese words you've learned
I did rtk and never had any sort of problem like that. Sounds like autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930438
>>19930450
to expand, some unsimplified kanji are simplified in some fonts as what is called extended shinjitai, to bring them in line with the official shinjitai which are only in jouyou kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930506
You can't just use the term "autism" to insult every single thing. Autists actually have a much easier time with learning kanji, as they are the only ones who can actually make it through RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930462
leave towards

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930471
>>19930494
why would you use rtk to learn to write when you know japanese when its built for people who dont know japanese just dont use rtk at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930544
>implying rtk is hard
you're just lazy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930535
>extended shinjitai
REEEEEEEEEEE
shinjitai was a mistake anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930625
inconsistency was a mistake but what shinjitai do you hate

[Anonymous No.]

Why does everyone use these autistic decks like core 2k or core2/6k (((optimized))) when you can use a 常用漢字 deck that's guaranteed to be better than some assholes arbitrary deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930652
>a 常用漢字 deck
a what

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930652
>why do people use vocab decks when they could use kanji decks?
Really makes me think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930673
use the jouyou kanji to make a vocab deck. it would blow every other core 2k deck away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930633
Everything that breaks phonetic or semantic components, like say 売

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930721
No it won't since joyo is full of kanji that are used in that one particular word that seemed so fucking important to the post-war bureaucrats they just had to shove it into the list. Meanwhile tons of common kanji didn't make it there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930730
Ok keep using nukemarines's 2/6k "Optimized" deck then. Lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930721
>use the jouyou kanji to make a vocab deck
Done.

[Anonymous No.]

have you considered learning vocab that actually matter through mining instead of trying to catch them all when you don't even know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>mining
the biggest meme of them all

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930782
the biggest meme is learning japanese when you could memorize shit in anki instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>19928041
>どかねえヤツは 男だろうが
帝王切開だ〜

>Anybody who doesn't get out of the way gets a Caesarian, men included!

how is だろう "included"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930817
are you esl or just stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930836
What an utter faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930817
https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/entries/625.html

Also, consider getting your ass in gear, because you've been asking questions about Kill la Kill for months and are still evidently only on the fourth episode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930899
what a call-out

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930730
I know they add kanji every once in a while, but do japanese politicians plan on removing some that are now useless?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930899
i do klk, eva, lwa episodes.

but iam glad you remember me.
especially considering i dont post often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930910
>some that are now useless?
Like what? All the useless ones I can think of are there for a very specific reason.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語は難しい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930995
字語句へようこそ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930910
They already removed 勺, 銑, 脹, 錘, and 匁 in 2010. (Of those I've only seen 錘 and 匁 in the wild)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931004
＊に

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931004

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931016
https://hinative.com/ja/questions/91724
or am I missing another pun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931046
so youre telling me people intentionally go to hell

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931054
I doubt anybody here is held against their will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931078
what in the world is this will of which you speak im here because of inertia and habit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931081
>djt is a part of his study habits

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931107
if study is french for procrastination then iesu

[Anonymous No.]

イエス has such a high cuteness ceiling

[Anonymous No.]

So what I'm starting to get is that I should be listening and speaking before I even understand it. The meaning is kind of pointless because you'll attach the thoughts to it in english.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931131
>listening
Yes.
>speaking
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931131
don't speak until listening and reading has given you enough of an intuition for what japanese sounds like that you generally know if what you want to say is grammatically correct, you just aren't sure if it's the most natural way to say it

[Anonymous No.]

今度こそ、みんなでアカギを追わなくちゃいけなくなってしまう
This みんなで here means something like with everything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930910
I love Stella. Rakudai was such a hidden gem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931200
Reading IS speaking. It activates the exact same part of the brain. I think the best thing to do is studying pronouncment from the very start.
1. Immerse
2. Listen to recordings of phrases by natives
3. Try to immitate natives
4. Read better with inner voice
5.???
6.Fluent

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaH8s7_6wVU

underrated listening practice lads

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931459
hmm it actually is, thnx

[Anonymous No.]

speaking at the beginning is next to fucking worthless and I don't get why dumb fucks like you so badly want to do it. have some patience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931459
those fucking grunt sounds all the time are killing me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931481
dogen-sama says imitating natives will improve your pitch accent and also your ability to hear pitch accent so you should put off learning japanese to watch the same movie a hundred times and imitate it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931493
do you mean snorts or did they start grunting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931481
If you're reading you are just speaking in your head and your pronouncement is getting fucked. Should study pronouncement at the start. You got trolled by matt faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931510
Isn't that what listening is for

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931505
>do you mean snorts
oh right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931521
Yea exactly, but listening, then immitate, THEN read. Everybody here is reading before they can even say anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931510
>>19931531
speaking of trolled by matt, reading too early being bad is one of his memes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931493
They are supposed to give kids autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931534
Oh. I thought he taught read from the start. Idk. I do know I spent today studying pronouncing phrases and I think it's already helped with my listening and reading. It's underrated, or maybe I'm just at the right spot for it. I've been studying off and on for years already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931560
So when did you start reading? I planned to start after I got through Tae Kim

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931545
i'll raise my kids on anime instead so they can be functioning human beings and also bilingual

[Anonymous No.]

so like did gargling motts dick for so long make you guys forget that were not int and we dont care about production

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931569
I'm only reading kids stuff and things I find online. I only know about 1500 kanji really well. I think I'm going to focus on sentence mining and pronouncement though instead of pushing ahead on reading for now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931575
if you don't know phonetics and pitch accent you're going to miss out on some wicked japanese word play i bet

[Anonymous No.]

the snorting is getting a little too annoying

[Anonymous No.]

頑張れ私

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder how much brain damage is required to read a manga adaptation of a light novel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931655
あたしも

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931655
俺も
are you a gril?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931667
Manga isn't reading though, you seem confused.

[Anonymous No.]

guys, I got a job interview tomorrow (in japan), I'm still a beginner and they know I can't speak any japanese and they're cool with it but i still want to do my 紹介 in japanese. should I use 僕 or would it seem too childish? 俺 is obviously rude. should I play it safe and go with 私？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931716
go with atai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931716
if you don't know the answer to your question you shouldn't say anything at all in japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931716
アタシ is your safest bet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931716
use それがし

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931705
did that sound to grillish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931767
you have no idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931767
too*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931716
我が名は is the only correct way to introduce yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931785
are you megumin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931716
you assert yourself like the proud english speaker you are and just use i

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931716
拙者のお名前はマイク様でござる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19928466
>>19929974
The way he posted it, seems like he's just a 出来ない　who thought that was just a different wojack and made a fool of himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19928712
who are you replying to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931862
like a boss.. would pay to see the reaction

[Anonymous No.]

When in doubt, just say 自分.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931943
but what if they don't watch anime?

[Anonymous No.]

Listen to this 外人 sing. maybe one day you can become good enough to be accepted by the slant eye gooks like he is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1u8ZATvwos

[Anonymous No.]

minna genki?

[Anonymous No.]

genki dessss

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931950
literally every nihonjin has seen code geese its a national treasure i heard they got spinzaku to perform at the toukyou olympics

[Anonymous No.]

are you happy/satisfied of your hour/skill ratio? I have been studying for 4 months for a total of maybe 250 hours and I just aced some n4 practice test.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19928872
Not reading, just using your eyes to look at text to understand it

[Anonymous No.]

It only takes around 4 hours to watch a 12 episode anime so why aren't you watching atleast one anime per day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932197
i watch one cour a day already

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930419
>How deep in where you when you realized it was 100% impossible to become fluent in japanese?
>2 years for me.

Not now, not ever. It's defeatist bullshit like this that shows how much of pointless shitshow DJT is. There are countless people who have learned Japanese to fluency, and there's plenty of proof to support it. Fuck anyone who says otherwise. If you want to stop learning, then go for it, but it's a mystery to me as to why people think aquiring a language is some painful or impossible ordeal because they stopped trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19930794
>>>19930782
>the biggest meme is learning japanese when you could memorize shit in anki instead

Seems to be this shithole's specialty

[Anonymous No.]

>>19931667
In the strange case of 空戦魔道士候生の教官 and other unbearable novels, the manga is sometimes better

[Anonymous No.]

あたいはばかじゃないもん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932264
fluency is impossible unless you live in the country, you can however get good enough to consume content effortlessly, and that's good enough for me
Source: been studying english for 2 decades now, still can't watch some movies without english subtitles and speak with a heavy accent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932323
Speak for yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

is this sample of vocab a vocab that you'd say to be common?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932329
he cant because hes not fluent

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932338
They're all common but it's clearly a frequency list for some random fantasy book, also the kana in 11 is wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19929643
>also how did you learn your native language
English? By listening to my parents, probably. That is when your brain is very malleable and the same can't be done when you are an adult. Once you're an adult you have to grind shit out. Babies are using cheat codes, so to speak. That's why if a baby fails to learn a language, they have a very hard time learning how to speak later in life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932323
i know someone who started learning english 2 decades ago who has never visited an english-speaking country and can understand anything without subtitles that i as a native speaker can, and his accent is moderate to low

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932409
The only advantage babies have is being in the optimal environment for learning an L1. Adults typically do a shit job of implimenting L2 in their lives and often opt for classes that give shit results. The critical period hypothesis (the basis of the idea that children learn L2 easier) has little if any real evidence to back it up. It's a prime example of correlation not equalling causation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932469
The reason adults typically dont learn languages is because they dont find any reading/listening material compelling enough to consume for 1000s of hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932469
I don't recall saying children can learn a second language easier, unless you consider their first language to be secondary because they start with nothing. My point was that children can learn simply by observation, and this somewhat extends into early adolescence (I knew some really young foreign kids that learned English by watching TV), but for adults you don't have that kind of advantage. Part of it is external responsibilities, but it is mostly just due to our brains being fully developed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932565
You can absolutely learn from observation as an adult. Are you baiting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932576
Depends what you are learning. You certainly don't catch on to new concepts as quickly as children. This isn't controversial, by the way. This has been known for a very long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932469
Agreed. I've tried teaching kids and they can learn quick if they focus but they usually can't focus nearly as good as an adult can. If it's some sort of kid who can focus really well he'll learn faster that an adult but generally an adults attention span and knowledge of how to use their brain should give them the edge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932565
Mate, it takes kids 5 years to have a vocabulary of 2000 words in their L1. Adults have it easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932576
Funny because every single pro level speaker out there at least suggests Anki grinding. Some of us want to do more than play VN's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932469
>>19932581
I rarely interact with kids but the other day I was at someones house who had like a 2/3 yo kid. he was worse at english than I am at japanese and I only study japanese as a hobby for a little over a year, while he full times tries to learn english for like 3 years. also Why does it take elementary and middle school classes so much longer to cover significantly less material than what adults can learn in subjects like science, math.? saying KidS learn better is just a cope for people to lazy to read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932601
I'm not gonna sit here and defend well documented science, you can use your big adult brain to work that one out yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

how is it that tens of thousands of people have spent tens of years studying japanese their entire adult lives and not a single person who actually learned japanese can be found

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932609
>well documented science
these words are meaningless, and that people have written about it before does not make it a solid theory

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932633
まあ、僕は本物だけど。一番強いペラペラ外人になった。気持ちいい。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932633
There's tons. In fact Doggen said fluent foreigners is getting kind of common now. It used to be special but now everybody can do it. I'd be happy at Doggen's level and he said there's literally thousands of foreigners there better than him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932634
Willful ignorance such as this is why the world is so full of retards. It's a shame, really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932607
Enjoy torturing yourself with anki and developing a complex like matt while I enjoy compelling content and only developing an 妹 complex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932660
Yea, you're only bad at japanese because you're not an infant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932672
So basically you're doing Ajatt minus anki. Is there anybody else who you can opint to who had success that way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932609
You don't have to, I just fucked over your "well documented science", which is actually just well documented conjuncture, with actual science.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932660
blind acceptance of whatever theory suits your existing viewpoint is willful ignorance, why don't you do something about that

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932682
steve, japanese from zero guy and this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_EQDtpYSNM&t=0s&index=2&list=LLIPdfwWWyS6dFpovNpv9FKA

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932682
nearly everyone who learned a language prior to the information age

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932658
>It used to be special but now everybody can do it.
then why can a single one not be found on the internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932718
you're forgetting that learning a foreign used to be something only smart people could learn. it used to require a massive iq to memorize all of the vocabulary required for fluency. this isn't the case anymore as tools such as anki have made learning foreign languages possible even for people like me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932715
Did that YouTube guy actually explicitly say he didn't use Anki? He might be like Matt who retroactively decided it wasn't necessary after doing it. Not that I'm doubting it's possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932731
>You're forgetting that learning a foreign language used to be something only educated people could do, which just so happened to be well to do people who could afford school. It used to require time which the working class didn't have. This isn't the case anymore as most people can gain at least a high school education and get a relatively better job that leaves some hours of the day open for such luxuries.
Fixed that for you, check up on history before you post again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932633
まあ、なんか、僕はなんか、本物なんですけどなんか、まあ、ちょっと、なんか今週IMMERSEしてないんで、まあ、なんか悪く聞こえるかもしんないけど、まあ、なんか、いつでもいいよ

[Anonymous No.]

how to learn japanese:

1. learn enough grammar and vocab to bootstrap yourself up to consuming japanese
2. consume japanese
3. write down shit you don't know and look it up and/or practice until you do know it

is there anyone who thinks this guide is incomplete or misleading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932715
I've seen that video and I think it has a lot of truth and flaws. I mean he's using video clips from the 70's. He's not demonstrating anything to us either with his own skills. It's an interesting hypothesis but even he says you have to pronounce at some point. I notice my skills improve much fastest immersing AND studying. I'm checking out the Steve guy now and his japanese doesn't seem that great and he says do a little of everything and study from many sources. He says don't be afraid to practice speaking either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932726
Doggen, Matt, and Khatz just to name a few ecelebs, not to mention the thousands who could give a shit about YT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932749
Well listen to my awesome Japanese skills i honed from years of anki.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ6nwYQ8thw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932747
Only 1 rule necessary:

1. Learn language the same way you did the first time

When you were a kid your teachers gave you vocab tests for a reason. You had to constantly ask adults what things meant but now you got the internet. Watch lots of content, memorize shit and look it up as much as you can, only get good at what you want to do, and keep it fun and you'll be fluent quick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932770
so this is what happens when you remain completely oblivious to pitch accent..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932766
of these people only khatz could be said to know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932781
I prefer my method of going into mountains and playing baseball with children.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932792
Doggen is pretty good too. The nitpicking japanese guy said if he closed his eyes ge could never tell Doggen wasn't japanese except he takes deep breaths in between sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932803
to be honest i have literally no fucking idea who doggen is so i assumed he was a nobody

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932781
>When you were a kid your teachers gave you vocab tests for a reason.

Those tests covered a tiny fraction of my vocab and I already knew all of the words from exposure. The most kids learn from those tests is how to spell a few words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932816
sauce?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvsqfJSA4Fg
>Dogen getting nitpicked here
Dogen has a lot of videos and he's pretty much one of the best on the platform especially for his age. The Kaz says he's the best he's ever heard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932781
Vocab tests aren't for you to learn the words, they're for the teachers to see if you learned the words. It's an assessment, not learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932633
Normalfags give up on Japanese because they are too addicted to the real world.
NEETs should have no problem learning it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932864
I learned a lot of my vocab at school, I don't know your situation exactly. I had to study a lot words growing up though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932872
I didn't say you don't learn words at school, I said that tests don't help you learn words. Tests are only for the teachers to see how you're doing so they can ideally adjust.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932898
Gotcha, I guess I didn't word that great, but you get the idea. There is no secret method just hard work. Listening is definetly key too though.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語は難しい

[Anonymous No.]

aa syougakusei wo nugitainaa
nuguto sugoissyo

[Anonymous No.]

>The same parts of the brain activate when you read silently and when you talk
This is huge, it means you're permanently crippling your Japanese by reading.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

reminder that dojg contains more errors and misleading information than hjgp
also genki is worse than tae kim regardless of whether you're teaching yourself or not
also core 2k/6k is garbage
also if you don't read/listen a lot and instead just drown yourself in "study" materials like textbooks or drill books or graded readers then you will not learn japanese
also rtk is literally worthless if you don't know japanese (because lazy kanji in rtk order is useless/bad/ineffective) and worthless if you do know japanese (because you do not need anything remotely like it to learn to write if you know japanese and if you think otherwise you're delusional)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19933496
not you again

[Anonymous No.]

rtk isn't a burden if you're fluent and want to write. it's a fun tool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932864
What sort of shit school did you go to?

Very first day of high school, Freshman year, English teach dropped fucking "ennui" "nadir" "poignant" (actual definition, not the one idiots use, and she outed like 80% of the class as using it wrong), "incohate" "blandishment" "indemnity" "urbane" "portend" "stultify" and a whole bunch of other shit.

...to prepare us to read Moby Dick.

Didn't get any easier from there, either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19933584
Ok so where in your post do you refute my point about tests? Or was your school so shit that you don't understand the difference?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932849
He nitpicked a scripted video which Dogen has made sure that he hits all the right pitch accents. In his unscripted videos he makes mistakes left and right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19933521
lmao are you still here holy shit
get over yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>19933529
if you're fluent and want to write rtk is one of the last things you're going to consider using. if you believe otherwise as an intermediate you're delusional, if anyone you see who's fluent says otherwise it's because of escalation of commitment.

you learn to write in japanese by writing in japanese. rtk is good for parlor tricks and impressing teachers. it doesn't matter what it itself actually says it's for, it's not good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19933652
not him but i think you think he's me. but i will not get over myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19933677
actually i'm 99% sure he thought it was me and no i won't get over myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>19933689
it can be hard to tell lowercasers apart and i've argued with him before. maybe you're right though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19933689
he was talking about me

[Anonymous No.]

>扉開けた時のジャンプいる？
I generally understand what this one means, but what are the rules for subordinate clauses like this? I know を and other particles can be omitted in sentences which is done here for 扉. But how do you know を applies to the subordinate clause and not the complete sentence? (supposing the rightmost verb could take を there)

Do they omit を to "group" it closer to 開けた here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19933642
In his unscripted videos he's a pretty shy guy and stutters a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>doing anki after reading for a week
>the kanji is oversized and easy to read, feels like cheating
I'm gonna make it brahs

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know the H-Code for Planetarian?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934067
The code for that and every other game is: learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

planetarian is shit

[Anonymous No.]

unkonau

[Anonymous No.]

>>19928928
やれやれわかってくれたまえ

あたしはおーぜんがこわいんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

Any good anki decks for Kanji?
Learning through vocabulary isn't working our for me and I dislike mnemonics methods like RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19933584
I'm seriously considering starting a mining deck for English words and reading more of English that isn't 4chan. Tired of being a retard ESL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934206
>Dislike mnemonics
Literally just look at a pastebin then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934206
Try this one and see if it ticks the right boxes.
https://mega.nz/#!EMQRBa4C!o8o5g1SAVQcA9L3kxcidgLkpFAowt2q5sUju_pNfKuE
It's from the cor.

[Anonymous No.]

So I think someone related to AJATT in some way or some kind of similar method mentioned that "native Japanese words" and the kun-based stuff are the bread and butter of conversational Japanese. Anyone know of good vocab lists for that? Most of the ones out there seem to focus a lot on written stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934238
Did I just have a stroke or did you? I can't read this post for shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934238
If you think you can learn honorifics and whatever "native Japanese words" mean from a vocab lists, I have to disappoint you. You learn this from repeated exposure to the way natives use these things. And of course trying it for yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934229
Thanks anon, learning these kanji has been a bitch so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934238
Sounds like you are after some 和語.
Give me a few minutes and I'll give you something resembling a list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934067
Use nexthooker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934248
I'm already pretty comfortable with reading and know a decent amount of 漢語. Problem is, reading doesn't help you very much with the spoken language due to stylistic and vocab differences.

You don't just "naturally absorb" shit if you don't know things in the first place. That just sounds horribly inefficient.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934301
>>19934352
Here you go, 和語 (kun-based stuff)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YrKJsHP8nKUu3RAJyUvBjW8-CvlXU5pl_juz2JhnIqM/edit?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934301
Thanks. 和語 is definitely the word I'm looking for.
Shit like 飯 instead of ご飯 or 旅 instead of 旅行.

All I need is something to fill in the vocab gap I have.

[Anonymous No.]

Thanks anon. Where was this sourced?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934383
https://www.pixiv.net/novel/show.php?id=8875587
です。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934373
>>19934383

[Anonymous No.]

出会い系サイトに登録してこのメールを受け取ったがどうする？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934222
You can't learn English.
I'm reading in English almost every day for last 8 years (but can't do production, cause I never do it), not counting 7 years of learning it in school and I still can't understand what the fuck is Eminem saying, only few words here and there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934435
>and I still can't understand what the fuck is Eminem saying
Don't worry anon I'm a native speaker and I can't either

[Anonymous No.]

I can't understand niggerspeak, britbong speak or any other heavy accent / dialect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934388
I bothered to have a look further into the profile and according to another text in the series, the content is sourced from the 大辞泉 第六版, so it's not just some random writing stuff down.
That account also has hundreds of articles on how to write novels so I don't know if it someone with an actual background in publishing literature or just some obsessive autist, plenty of those online.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934404
あなたに大きなアメリカの陰茎があることを彼女に伝えなさい

[Anonymous No.]

I stopped studying for 3 weeks cause I'm retarded. When I stopped, I had been mining for about a month. I feel like I've forgotten all the words I've mined due to the gap. Should I reset the deck and start it from scratch? I was thinking of going through the reviews to see what my retention rate is now and then deciding

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934435
Are you from the Balkans?

[Anonymous No.]

So I wonder, what is everyone here's end goal from learning japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934593
many slant eyed children with a beautiful japanese wife

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934593
Considering going there for a year or two to teach after my masters. Even if I don't, like most people here I presume, I want to enjoy native media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934593
Mishima

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934593
ポケホモの同人！だいすき！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934593
to be able to read Kajiri Kamui Kagura

[Anonymous No.]

How big is the gap between ability to read formal Japanese and ability to understand casual speak?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934615
Huh? Do you think your porn comic books are written by a law firm?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934615
ノーマルＮ２

カジュアルＮ１

フォーマルＮ１＋

ビジネスＮ１＋＋

ローヤーＮ１＋＋＋

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934620
No. This is mostly just branching off of a previous conversation about being kanji-literate vs actually being able to understand native, casual Japanese which certainly is nothing like what you'll learn in your usual studies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934623
Why is business and lawyer higher than regular formal? I come from a family of doctors and lawyers and their vocabulary isn't really superior to anyone else's. That seems like an odd rating scale.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934629
Well in that case it depends on how much listening practice you do. If your reach a stage where you read moderately difficult texts without having put any time into listening you've kinda shot yourself in the foot ie you should be trying to make the gap as small as possible throughout your studies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934636
Special terms maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934642
>If your reach a stage where you read moderately difficult texts without having put any time into listening you've kinda shot yourself in the foot
I feel like this is only natural, you're gonna be able to read better than you can understand by hearing. And even if you can understand casual speech well, chances are you're gonna have no experience speaking casually yourself.

Maybe I should set me sights lower..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934636
にほんのビジネスことば

すごい（２万語彙くらい）

漢語がのこってるんだよ

>謹啓・謹白

みたいな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934435
I'm a native English speaker and I need fucking annotations to understand him. Lyrical rappers are Shakespearean in terms of dick waving references or making double or triple entendres.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934657
>Lyrical rappers are Shakespearean in terms of dick waving references or making double or triple entendres.
Please, you give them way too much credit. They are fucking retards who produce retarded nonsense. No wonder you can't understand them.

[Anonymous No.]

Any way to make anki show me compuns in vertical
I think it would help if they're in the same like in my mangos

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934651
>you're gonna be able to read better than you can understand by hearing.
This is only natural if you are either a beginner/early intermediate or if you don't do any listening practice like people here that only want to read. If you put enough effort into listening as early as is feasible, the gap will diminish pretty quickly. Production is a whole other issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934657
I say this with no malice but I think you might just be stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934642
I think this as a consequence of self learning, it tends to go reading-> listening -> speaking -> writing whereas classes are more balanced but progress a lot slower overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934668
I'd imagine almost everyone here gets more listening exposure than reading exposure. I listen to Japanese a lot, whether it be entertainment or otherwise. Listening is just harder because there's no pause button in real life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934674
にほんごするとき

えいごをわすれること

これがいちばんむずかしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934657
>Lyrical rappers are Shakespearean in terms of dick waving references or making double or triple entendres.
A good bait. Will get tens of (you)s on /lit/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934664
Or maybe it's nonsense because you don't understand it?

>>19934672
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's mentally deficient.

Can noone into reading comprehension? Guess there really are a lot of ESL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934682
>in terms of

Holy fuck stop scrolling and actually read.

[Anonymous No.]

I like how we have to say lyrical rapper now to differentiate them from the literal retards mumbling like animals which is apparently what rap has become. "Lyrical" is far too kind of a descriptor to attribute to any rapper from any decade, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934684
You're stupid because you need annotations to understand rap in your native language.

[Anonymous No.]

Post your best rap
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11382165

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934763
https://youtu.be/aZqrr2YkgGA?t=2m16s

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934763
https://youtu.be/NCCNjYREaiA

[Anonymous No.]

>>19929035
Yeah foreigners doesn't exist is a myth

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934593
大逆転裁判　on the 3ds.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going for an 1-hour run and need some audio to listen to. I'm tired of music.
Any recommendations as to what form of audio would be cool? I wonder if I just should rip audio from my Jap video... tough choices
any podcast site that talks about various topics?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5aPbbzufA

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934946
How about an audiobook?

[Anonymous No.]

what do you guys think about my subs2srs cards?
>left is without audio just reading and trying to understand
>mid is just listening with translation

shouldnt this be superior to reading mango since audio?
anything to improve?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934971
>shouldnt this be superior to reading mango since audio?
Sounds a lot less enjoyable but if you enjoy it, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934971
how much time did you spend making this card? jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934946
This on repeat for 1 hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qVS4hUkiyk
don't forget to have the video in hand on your phone or something for motivation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934987
this, even if it works it's not worth it because of the time spent

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934987
>making a 1 episode deck with subs2srs 5 minutes.
>copy paste of unknown words into card from ichi.moe 10seconds - 2 minutes (depending on amount)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934987
>>19935000
Subs2srs is an addon that automatically generates cards with audio, glosses, images, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I get through the grammar guide?
It's just such a hard read and I always just leave it after a few chapter then have to come back from the beginning after absorbing none of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19933420
is ぞっ slang for ぞい?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935151
the first reading through is just to get a rough picture of whats in nihongo. complete understanding and remembering is not intentioned yet.

when you bukakke yourself in compelling content you refer back to it over and over again until its ingrained.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935158
Thanks, guess I should try not to be a perfectionist so early on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934593
It's the hardest language for English native speakers to learn so it'll seem like an even cooler parlor trick if I know it.

[Anonymous No.]

man yomichan is so shit for making cards
all it really does it automatically title the card and add the definition, everything else is still manual
why did you recommend this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>finishing core6k in a week
>still cant watch anime that isnt slice of life easymode without subs.

what to do now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935158
>when you bukakke yourself in compelling content you refer back to it over and over again until its ingrained.
you don't need to refer to it repeatedly, just when you think checking is all you need to understand a sentence
also prefer dojg or hjgp for reference because tae kim is shitty to search

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935173
lmao nobody is gonna be impressed by your shitty third rate ninhongo boyo
now the get fuck out of here or I'ma get the belt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935201
wonder why you thought finishing core would have any impact on that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935219
Heh there's where you're wrong kid...people are floored when a white guy knows an East Asian language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935223
My favorite is going to a """"""japanese"""""" restaurant and trying to speak 日本語 with the """""""japanese"""""""" waitresses. Always turns out well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935223
people are floored when a white guy knows anything that isn't related to white people, stfu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935219
monolinguals can't tell that your language skill is shitty, you can impress people by writing 憂鬱 and memorizing haruhi's introduction

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935233
jamal go be racist somewhere else

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935249
how new are you that you can't even recognize who is and isn't james

[Anonymous No.]

>>19932781
I don't recall ever taking vocab tests in my mother tongue though.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw not even Nち yet

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw consuming compelling content and not caring about formal knowledge

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935427
>>19935413
>>>/int/djt

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw still don't get what もの and こと do
why does that verb need to be nominalized i just don't get its purpose i read the sentence the exact same way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935439
because it a verb is not nominalized it is a verb instead of a noun which changes its grammatical function

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934971
I'm not really sure what you're trying to test. Is this a sentence deck? It's fine then if it is. sub2srs was fun. I "watched" a whole drama I couldn't find elsewhere through a deck someone uploaded. I used to rip audio with it too. >>19934946 then ran it through audacity to trim some of the silence. Stopped it when I started feeling abnormal heart palpitations when I then added faster play rate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935190
I still miss the old Rikai. What else are you adding?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935459
>Stopped it when I started feeling abnormal heart palpitations when I then added faster play rate.
this isn't the matrix dude stop trying to cram immersion and just immerse

[Anonymous No.]

>>19934971
I generated cards for like 10 different shows using subs2srs but I've just been forcing myself to read a VN and watch shows/anime every day so I'm not even using those decks. Maybe I'll find a use for them when I reach intermediary hell but for now they seem pointless when I can get better concentrated study elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935464
I'm not sure I follow.
I'm just aggravated that I spent the time to set up this yomichan thing and it really isn't saving any time at all when it comes to creating Anki cards. It would still take several hours to make a decently sized deck.

[Anonymous No.]

i hate how many fucking words translate to "because, so, and"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935472
>when I can get better concentrated study elsewhere.
that will always be true which is why i've never bothered with subs2srs
anki is supplement and subs2srs is trying to turn it into a primary activity in my opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>only able to study when I'm fucking tired
>fail to retain shit because my mind is worn out by that time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935470
Yeah I'm fine now. I don't really actively study anymore. My output is shit but since I don't ever plan on speaking it I'm fine with just consuming Japanese media.

[Anonymous No.]

>嬉
lol really failsig? why isn't this in rtk1?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935491
It's because nips try their hardest to muddy their words and talk around things in order to avoid being direct. It is annoying when you come from a culture that just says shit directly without all the extra excuses and conditionals that Japanese is riddled with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935490
Aside from the Word, Pronunciation and Definition what else are you adding? I use Yomichan to mine what I read and it's pretty much just pressing a button to add a new card once it's set up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935190
Yeah, it's perfect. What else do you "need", you autist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935550
I add sentences because learning kanji without even a sentence to go along with it is not very ideal, and yomichan doesn't usually do a good job with them.. So I have to get an example sentence and paste it in. Then I trim out all the extra nonsense because yomichan puts way too many definitions that are just the same thing. If there's no audio I have to add a TTS. I personally also include a picture because that helps me remember things but that is certainly not required, just an extra step I take.

Pic is what yomichan does for me. It would honestly be faster to manually create them, the only reason to use it as far as I'm concerned is the audio that comes with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935617
you're putting too much effort into a tool that should be as little of your daily study time as possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935635
So what am I left with, a card that contains a word and a page of repeating definitions?

[Anonymous No.]

おにいちゃんの

にほんごは

けっしてむだではなかった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935617
These are what I add with Yomi
{expression} {reading} {glossary} {cloze-body} {sentence} {cloze-prefix}__{cloze-suffix} {url} {audio} I remember spending some time tweaking something in Yomichan to remove the excess white space in {glossary}.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935676
I may look more into it, yours seems a lot more useful but I guess I didn't set it up the same way. I don't understand how Anki formatting works very well.

[Anonymous No.]

When you read you are speaking (w/ inner voice)
Working on pronouncment is important
それは全部

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935642
personally i don't use anki for definitions anyway, they're there and i usually glance at them but i'm focusing on getting the reading down because not knowing it is the biggest factor in slowing down my reading input.
there's also the factor that the less information you're trying to memorize the easier it is to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935635
Fuck off, you probably spend more time shitposting in these threads every day than anon spends with anything related to study tools.
Obnoxious git.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935706
I've only learned about 1.1k of the core deck so every page of manga (insert meme here) contains 5-10 words that I've never seen before, so I need all the definitions I can get at this stage,

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935642
Readings are the most important part. Definitions are only there in case you draw a blank and need a refresher.
If you want to learn words, read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935721
who hurt you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935151
I've been taking notes, listing the particles with one of his examples and writing the furigana next to kanji I don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935701
Do you want to remove some of the white space in the definition?
I'm trying to look for the handlebars templates for you because that was a bitch to set up for me and now I can't even find it. This is why I still miss the old Rikai.

[Anonymous No.]

わたしはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

みんなはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935728
admittedly i did somewhere over 1500 cards with definitions before i started doing that, but i don't think it matters. if you know the reading, checking the dictionary is much quicker when you need to (excepting for text hooking and mouseover dictionaries but they aren't always available and they can become a crutch because of their ease of use). and checking the dictionary when you have a (new) usage context in mind seems to me to be more beneficial to long-term memory than recalling it during flash cards.
just my perspective, do what seems best and make your own tweaks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19935151
I do a little of everythig every day. I bounce around. I have about 10 decks in anki and I make sure to do them everyday but I keep the numers pretty low on the tedious stuff. I'm listening to audiobooks and pod casts type stuff all day. At night I'm immersing 6+ hours. I'm getting good fast this way. I'm 3 months in, after a year I'll be a god.