Mahjong thread

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck this dumb fucking game.

https://pastebin.com/XUgjaSpr

[Anonymous No.]

why are we ded

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>>19728604
I'm hibernating, letting the bad luck pass

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iqlOZ3rGII
My sides lmao

[Anonymous No.]

the sega MJ guide is dead, does anybody got the pictures saved or something?

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>>19727878
>playing sanma

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>>19728693
>the sega MJ guide is dead
This thing?

https://sites.google.com/site/mjnetguide/home

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>>19730730
yeah, the pictures are dead

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>>19728665
I don't get it.

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>>19727878
We made a new pastebin. Use this from now on: https://pastebin.com/rLTVrQC7

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>>19728665
I don't get the reasoning behind 90% of the discards they make.

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>>19734050
Most of it is just metagaming against the others, but in general the idea of a "pro" is somewhat laughable. Most "high level" players are just arrogant nobodies that talk up how bad or shit other players discards are, but if you ask for their reasoning they buckle under the pressure and can't really give concrete reasons outside of ideologies. Don't take pros seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

Can you beat the bambooshit http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/bamboo/bamboo.html without tenhou efficiency tool http://tenhou.net/2/?

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>>19734854
Hey everyone get a load of this scrub.

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>>19734854
hawhawhaw

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>>19734854
Just because you can't understand how Phil Ivey plays doesn't mean he's bad.

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>>19733794
Whoops, I forgot.

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>>19734854
You've never played a pro, have you?

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>>19734869
I just tried it with the tool and still got destroyed.

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>>19734050
Because better players put more emphasis on defending, you'll see a lot of discards that aren't strictly for tile efficiency.

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>>19734869
Can you actually win outright, or does it just keep going?

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>>19738688
Damn that's rigged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738688
Figured it out. You can win when you hit 30k, and it unlocks an open-handed version of the game.

I don't know if I want to see if there's more after that or not.

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>>19739178
It just goes back to the original closed-hand version if you win again.

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>>19733794
This is nice.
1) maybe add the mention mahjong_e has yaku list on the same page under the game
2) add android section and at least these two: maujong! (bots, eng/jp, battery efficient) and Hangame mahjong (bots/tenhou-like online/mixed - you create a room for someone and bots if needed, jp only)
3) add the google sheet with all the worldwide riichi clubs from the discord, why not?

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>>19737378
Have you?

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>>19734854
Someone needs to make a "Shitter Bingo" card for Riichi. This post needs to be the center or, at least, one of the corners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19743203
Suggest some squares
>post your replay faggot!
>post your stats!
>what do you mean you can't see the future you bitch?

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>>19743353
>it's all luck!
>which is why pros are trash
>why everyone else is trash
>but not me
>i just won't waste my time with this "lucker" game
>"kusoge"
>i'm not in tokujou because i refuse to pay
>i lose because they see english characters in my name and target me because whitu piggu racism
>i'm good enough to get into joukyuu, tokujou, etc. easy but i just don't have the time
>all this "defense theory" is just made-up bullshit, you're either betaori or you're not
>tenhou, segamj, etc. are rigged to make sure foreign IPs lose
>i can't win because tenhou, segamj, etc. use bullshit rules meant to benefit japanese players that we don't play with where i'm from
>furiten is an outdated mechanic that people use as a crutch to avoid getting good/furiten should be removed

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>>19742883
not that person, but I have: Hiyori Aida specifically.

they really are next level good when compared to average players

[Anonymous No.]

>>19743421
>why can't I Ron?
>it was a misclick!
>plz no bully
>this tile is 96% safe...
>luck is the only factor in this game
>luck plays no part in this game
>2+5+7+12
>why can't I chow?
>It's your fault I can't platinum Yakuza
>brag about being lesbian but eat dicks in game

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>>19743421
Add Japanese IP.

[Anonymous No.]

Are these threads Toki?

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>>19748998
There's nothing to say

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>>19750068
Nah, it's mostly the psychological avoidance of embarrassed terribads who don't want to respond to the thread after the greentext shitter talk struck a bit too close to home.

[Anonymous No.]

hangame or sega for flashy stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any good mahjong games with actual progression systems or campaigns or boss fights?

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>>19751998
oyaji hunter mahjong on the 3DO

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>>19752155
>3DO

[Esh !JL213r6.BM No.]

>>19739851
Done, done, and done.

As hassim wishes, so hassim shall have.

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>>19744524
How so? What were tehy doing that made them stand out?

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>>19752861
it's not like I can show you a replay, but she played the entire club in a series of tonpuus and won every one as I recall. I'm not a great player but there are some real monsters in that jansou and they all took a hit too.

I think what separates a pro from an enthusiast is the ability to dispassionately judge each round and act accordingly

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>>19742883
>not playing in the WRC

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>>19742883
Mahjong pros are very strong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19751672
Or majsoul?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19755523
i like the sega one, but they are almost the same desu

[Anonymous No.]

>500 folks in tonpu
>only 100 in hanchan
>hanchans are mostly a wild 1 yaku hand + doras race anyway
Is it something in chinese mahjong that makes chinese riichifags play like this?..

[Anonymous No.]

I just got to where I can play in joukyuu and I'm finding it much harder to know when my opponents' hands are ready than in ippan, does anybody have any tips on this? Obviously if they have a lot of open melds, their hand's probably ready but when it's closed or mostly closed I can't tell at all. Should I just completely fold if the hand's around half over and my hand's not ready?

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>>19759474
Or Majsoul is so slow, such that players can only tolerate tonpuu.

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So why exactly is tournament mahjong played in the multiple hanchan format instead of full games?

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>>19761189
Why would you want all 4 winds? Just imagine a player dealing you fatal damage by fattening someone else of your skill for 2-in-1 hanchans instead of one. You just won't be able to catch on. It's still possible and happens, but not as frequent as you suggest. Since people play for total points count not for places count, and they can fall below zero too - weak, angry, tired etc players are super fucking farmable. It's in your interests to advocate reshuffling participants according to their points for the next game as soon as the first results are here and absolutely not wish for longer sessions.

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>>19760118
Your tile efficiency is probably garbage just coming out of ippan. Read up on the 5 block method and generally push unless you see riichi or open expensive hands.

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>>19760118
You have to pay attention to the order in which tiles come out of someone's hand, how close to the center (fives) their discards get, how many turns in a row someone deals the tile they just drew, how risky the tiles they're dealing are (is the person pushing a dangerous dora tile on an ippatsu against a riichi? You bet your ass they're in tenpai), and how long it takes them to decide a discard.

Of course, there's not surefire way to spot a damaten, but those are good indicator.s

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>>19763057
>and how long it takes them to decide a discard.
And while we're talking about the tenhou timer as an indicator, here's a very small trick you can use, although it probably only works on Tokujou:

If you're about to hit tenpai for a hand you want to pursue, if you get the chance to call a chi on an unrelated tile (say your wait will be manzu and someone drops a souzu you could call, but you don't need), you can let the timer run for a while, so people think you're actually considering calling the tile, as if it were part of your waits.

Doing this right before calling riichi can be very misleading, but it depends on other people paying attention AND not having safe tiles to deal. However, it might convince someone your tenpai is in the tile you "considered" calling, or close to it.

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>>19762981
>>19763057
>>19763116
Thanks for the tips.

I've read Daina Chiba's book and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the 5-block method, but I'm of course always working on getting better at it. In ippan I rarely deal into people's hands but from the couple joukyuu games I played it was happening a lot, so I knew that was something I needed to work on. Always so much to learn.

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>>19760118
Forget it. Don't try to read closed hands, especially dama. If there are obvious signs of danger (e.g. riichi or dora pon or other open hands with lots of value showing) then you should be careful, but don't fold before that happens. You'll end up wasting good chances to win your hand, and usually in joukyuu if someone stays dama instead of calling riichi it's probably a mistake on their part.

>>19763116
Don't do this, don't try and metagame. As with karagiri, any information you give out (even if you think it's deceptive) can reveal actual information about your hand. It doesn't really make much difference in tokujou, let alone joukyuu, but you shouldn't form bad habits.

[Anonymous No.]

I did the thing!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19764811
What on God's earth possessed you to throw away an early yakuman tenpai for an open kan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19765156
I thought I stole the 4p so it wouldn't count as a Yakuman? Funny you should say that though because I saw your comment while getting this hand. /jp/ told me to always hit the riichi button.

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>>19765179
>I thought I stole the 4p so it wouldn't count as a Yakuman
Precisely. There was no reason at all to do so.

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>>19763583
>Don't try to read closed hands, especially dama.
Sounds good, I'll try that out.

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>>19763116
>you can let the timer run for a while, so people think you're actually considering calling the tile, as if it were part of your waits.
Yeah, don't do this. New or experienced players alike, just don't bother with this. First of all, intermediate or better players aren't going to fall for it often, if at all. Secondly, and arguably most importantly, absolutely ZERO players of any skill level will fall for it if they're aware that the Tenhou software deliberately inserts random "waits" to prevent people from metagaming in exactly the fashion being described here.

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>>19765554
>deliberately inserts random "waits" to prevent people from metagaming in exactly the fashion being described here.
The random pauses never go for more than 5 seconds. You have a 20 second bank to use. You can run down the timer beyond any doubt that it's not a random wait.

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>>19765568
>The random pauses never go for more than 5 seconds.
[citation needed]

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>>19765573
I have over 3K games played in Tenhou, Never seen a random pause go for longer than about that.

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>>19765578
Yeah, not really interested in anecdotal evidence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19765578
>I have over 3K games played in Tenhou
What rank?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19765587
On my way to 6dan. Hopefully.

[Anonymous No.]

Question for you mahjong nerds, you get tetris effect or dreams about mahjong? Anything interesting you'd like to share?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19770124
I recently dreamt I made it to tokujou and got fucked by hot Asian chicks in Chinese dresses, but then got demoted and ended up homeless.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone here happen to have the Saki voice clips from the PSP game archived somewhere?

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>>19771190
http://www.mediafire.com/file/rksi66x6kuhm21z/Saki_Achiga_PSP_voice_rips.zip/file
http://www.mediafire.com/file/649ywq9bsr46jtu/Saki_Achiga_PSP_voice_rips_addendum.zip/file

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>>19771245
Now my tenhou experience will be enhanced to the next level, cheers

[Anonymous No.]

Should I learn the chinese way of counting the numbers or does that only matter if I want to watch commentated mahjong videos?

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>>19770124
I appreciate dubs spam more now. Pretty numbers are neat.

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>>19771407
If they use it for tile names the tiles are usually shown anyway. If they use it for dora count, you could count it yourself too. Dunno.

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>>19771926
I like how for mahjong the japanese choose to use broken chinese for the number tile names instead of using the different broken chinese they normally use for counting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19771983
ii
ryan
san
suu
uu
ryuu
chii
paa
chuu

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>>19771983
That's just how the things are, nothing to be sarcastic about. For the languages, there's no difference between "minor" vowel adaptation and full blown written wreckage, borrowed words always get broken and reassembled to live by the rules of accepting language, it's required, it's a literary norm all over the world. To the point two forms of the borrowed word exist, one as a literary norm and another, "less" broken, as a part of professional slang.

[Anonymous No.]

>player on my right declares riichi, and throws 6 dot
>player across throws whatever's safe
>player on my left throws south and declares riichi
>i break up a set and throw 6 dot, believing it to be safe
>player on my left declares ron on my 6 dot
Do I just not understand Furiten? Serious question.

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>>19772400
Temporary furiten only last until your next turn.

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>>19770124
I remember a dream going for suukantsu... calling a 5th kan... and fucking it up. Don't ask.

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>>19772400
>>19772547
6 dot is only safe against your right, not against your left.

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>>19772400
That tile wouldn't have let them win at the time it was discarded, so no temporary furiten. Only safe tiles are the ones they discarded and ones discarded since they declared riichi (and tiles that are always safe anyway).

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>>19772645
Forgot to mention that as someone already said, even if they were in temporary furiten it doesn't matter after they discard again.

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>>19772400
war is hell man, waiting on genbutsu is a staple

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>>19772645
>That tile wouldn't have let them win at the time it was discarded
Yeah, this seems to be the crux of my fuck up. I didn't think about that. When the first 6 dot was thrown they HADN'T yet declared Riichi.

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>>19772922
Except that the 6 dot wasn't technically genbutsu at any point in time. What exactly are you trying to say here?

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>>19772956
>What exactly are you trying to say here?
Why wouldn't you chose the second riichi's discard as the base of actions now?
It is way too common. If this second player chose to riichi and not defend besides minor things it's because "my hand is worth the risk", "most of my waits are live", "I'm waiting on something in the first one's discard". Two of these three make him the biggest fret now.

[Anonymous No.]

started reading this book and it's pretty good. Any book recs besides this and the english book by Daina Chiba?

I know I should be playing a lot too, but I figured it might be a good idea to read some of this basic stuff on the side. I've read someone say here that the bottom pool of tenhou is even worse than bots, but I still wanna get at least bot-beating good before I go online. am I making a mistake with this?

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>>19773264
>am I making a mistake with this?
Just jump right on in. Can't get good at the game by not playing it.

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>>19773264
>I've read someone say here that the bottom pool of tenhou is even worse than bots
I'd say in each game in the bottom pool, some people will be better than bots and some will be worse. I'd just play online if I were you.

[Anonymous No.]

if you can't rob the bamboobot of 100k points you are worse than a bot

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>>19774852

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>>19774852
it's just luck anyone can do it.

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>>19772192
Well it's not adaptation as japanese still has the japanese counting system too. It's pretty damn unique to use more than one.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw bad but not bad enough to fall out of tokujou
I just want to quit this kusoge

[Anonymous No.]

Why do so many people that could be playing in joukyuu play in ippan? Because it's easy?

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>>19776119
I sometimes get here by tenhou resetting the choices.

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>>19776119
They are getting destroyed and drop down to make themselves feel better. Sometimes they just forget, but most of the time it's just to beat up on weaker players. Don't worry it happens to every room which is why Ippan bans Tokujou/Houou players and Joukyuu bans Houou.

[Anonymous No.]

I finally got lucky.

[Anonymous No.]

>メンタンピン
what a cool little mnemonic device

[Anonymous No.]

>>19780202
The Men stands for Riichi by the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19782578
Are you sure it doesn't stand for toimen? That's the term you use when you fuck over toimen right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19783668
>>19782578
it stands for Menzen which means no calls.

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>>19784832
nah
>https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q128246142
>【メン】→厳密に言えば確かにメンとはただ単に面前の事をさしますが、『メンタンピン』に関していえば、メン＝リーチの意味です。
every site says the same, I just picked one randomly

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>>19784885
I thought you were joking, what the fuck? This isn't what mahjong manga taught me.

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>>19784885
I wonder how that came to be.

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>>19786293
>http://majandofu.com/mentanpin
this site says that we don't know for sure, but it seems that the word was already in use before riichi was widespread and so they just stuck with it

[Anonymous No.]

Is there somewhere you can buy cases for riichi sets? The YMI one that my set came in didn't last long.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone else feel really anxious playing in ranked?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19792993
That's normal for any ladder system. Since there is a punishment for losing which gets worse as you go on, it's normal that you have to focus which is usually stressful.

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>>19774852
As long as you don't chombo it isn't particularly hard. The main point is being able to read waits.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any difference in playing in the １級以上 room beside the players being higher ranked?

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>>19800913
You get more points for winning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19800913
I just accidentally clicked on ippan again and got into a fucking 1,5 hour hanchan. And it looks like nodocchi is dead so I can't even properly cry about this nonsense.

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>>19734854
You don't give away your reasonings until you're retired and either become some kind of commentator or write a book.

>>19727878
>>19728604
>first game this month
>win west 1 with rinshan (only needed 500 points and started the hand with 2 shanten and a hatsu triplet)
>next game deal into toimen's closed sanshoku twice by discarding tiles that just flow out for a better shanten
>next game get again placed 4th because shimocha manages a ippatsu on a closed wait for a 2p, a mangan hand on my dealer turn in south and overtakes me, the faggot settles with 2nd place next round
>third game I get even shittier hands that I only manage to get into "form" by going against reason (eg. going for chanta even though I have a pretty good tanyao hand, discarding useless honor tiles and doras in the first turns)
>deal into a mangan hand with the last discard of the 5p which was discarded by shimocha the turn earlier, read: make a somewhat reasonable discard


Sometimes this game can go fuck itself

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>>19751443
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19770124
Those dreams are always awful. It's like I'm caught/forced to or like I'm getting played

[Anonymous No.]

>>19775186
>>19771983
For some reason (probably because I recently read about it) I had to think about Ataturk.
Dude threw out everything arab and said "fuck those arab savages" in order t oget some advancements and order/neatness going.
Wonder if the japanese will ever get something like that. Some of it seems so convoluted

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>>19772949
>>19772400
But he did draw a tile before your discard? Who says he was in tenpai before?
Anyways, only consider tiles safe that were discarded after that player's riichi.
Also consider the tiles in the first riichi pond dangerous for the second riichi. People like to aim for those tiles because they might be considered safe

[Anonymous No.]

I love it when people first get into a thread and feel the need to respond to posts that are hours/days old with little more than paraphrasing of other posters who were actually part of the original reply chain.

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>>19805237
There's no such thing as necroposting in the thread which dies prematurely from time to time due to nobumps.

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>>19805330
At least try to contribute something new to the discussion, though.

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>>19805103
I don't think anything similar to that will happen in Japan. The fall of the Ottoman empire was really unique situation, the empire had been fracturing for a long time and the Brits leading Arabs to an open revolt in WW1 (Lawrence of Arabia, read about him) didn't win any favors with the Turks.
But anyway, chinese tile poker.

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>>19805353
Why would anyone read the whole thread before replying to a post? I'd almost certainly forget to go back up to find the post I wanted to reply to if I already made it to the bottom of a thread.

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>>19770124
I had a dream where I was playing with real people around a table, and they were looking at me as if I didn't know the game every time I did something. (I've only ever played online)

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>>19770124
If I understand this correctly people who remember dreams have better attention resources but also have problems with recovering from tiredness in the long run, so I don't even know which is better, but it's kinda useful to know with this game being psychological and all
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-02/ind-wdt021414.php

[Anonymous No.]

How are you supposed to recover/take the lead when some shitter keeps getting in your way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19810477
Pray for a luckier, faster hand.

[Anonymous No.]

What do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19812917
discard 6sou and hope for the best

[Anonymous No.]

>>19812917
Throw 6 bam, see where it goes from there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19812917
Actually discard 8 pin, it's not worth it trying to make your hand at this point. Or at least not worth it to eat a very likely mangan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19813068
>>19813445
>>19813726

[Anonymous No.]

Now why would anyone DDoS Nodocchi?

[Anonymous No.]

New to mahjong, why isn't this a valid itsu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19816030
It should be, maybe the client doesn't allow for opening it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19815958
I've been wondering that all weekend. It did force him to protect against it which is good I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734854
no, pro are people that get paid playing mj

[Anonymous No.]

>>19816030
probably furiten

[Anonymous No.]

>>19816595
That's a complete hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19816595
furiten only applies to calling ron, you can still win by tsumo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19816030
You chii'd instead of to ron.
>>19816801
Tsumo tiles lie beside the hand, it's not a part of the hand neither in vidya or irl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19815086
Yes, and?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19804380
it's back indeed

[Anonymous No.]

>1st with a 11.9k lead
>2nd decides to opens his hand for the doratile 3rd(dealer) discarded after riichi
>123577799p and two nan + 45*6p
>decides to go for open honitsu instead of chinitsu

Not only was it dangerous to discard the 5p against a dealer riichi with 0 pin tiles in the pond but the nan was also safe. And most importantly, he could've only won if I had dealt in.
Sure, he got a tsumo but it didn't change anything. He would've won in two turns if he went for chinitsu.
>inb4 hindsight
It was a gutsy play to decrease his hand value. Retard-bonus only applies when you call tiles for increased value or by retard-riichi (pic related)

tl;dr
Learn to count points and post retard riichis

[Anonymous No.]

I play Mahjong Titans and I lose 90% of the times
any advice?

[Anonymous No.]

How do you know someone's in tenpai based on what tiles they discard from their hand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19820858
You don't.

[Anonymous No.]

Since there is no thread on /v/ right now I'll ask here.
For starters I have to get a 4 Set of numerical order and 1 pair to win right?
And in pic related I seem to have done 3 sets done already though I still need either a green 1, another 4 or green 7 and pair for 1 and 5 to right yes?
Also since I have completed most of set should I go for stealing if I have the chance to or should I continue to keep hand hidden?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19821381
>For starters I have to get a 4 Set of numerical order and 1 pair to win right?
Yes, you also have to satisfy a yaku (a win condition)
>And in pic related I seem to have done 3 sets done already though I still need either a green 1, another 4 or green 7 and pair for 1 and 5 to right yes?
Yes
>Also since I have completed most of set should I go for stealing if I have the chance to or should I continue to keep hand hidden?
You don't have any yaku in your hand so you shouldn't start calling tiles in this situation, you're better off trying to keep your hand closed so you can use riichi to satisfy a yaku once you are 1 tile away from completing it
In this situations I would discard 1pin (dots) and see what happens next, you have an opportunity to make a pinfu (no minipoints) hand with these tiles.
Pinfu requires closed hand and all sequences instead of triplets and you have to win on edge wait (the last tile you need is not the middle tile of a sequence or the pair)

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>>19820858
there's no surefire way, but there are some clues.

if you see a player tsumogiri (tossing the tile he/she just drew) quickly and often it MAY mean tenpai. also, if said tiles appear to be riskier middle tiles as opposed to trash winds, that may also indicate possible tenpai.

lastly, the further into a round you get the more likely a player is to be in tenpai. during the first six or so things are GENERALLY safe and you can focus on getting your hand built. you really only need to start paying attention on the 10th or so discard.
of course everyone has a story of getting fucked by a dama haneman on the 2nd discard, but you're not playing for exceptions, you're playing along trends.

hope this helps!

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a general rule where if your hand is X-away by X turn it's not worth pursuing anymore or should you always push until someone declares riichi or has an expensive open hand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19822644
Depending on the opponents. If your table is people who don't like to give away points, one 3k loss can be fatal.

[Anonymous No.]

2.4

[Anonymous No.]

>>19822644
It depends what level you are at, but sanshanten on second row or ryanshanten at third row are generally considered folds unless there is enough value and calling potential to make you go for it. At lower levels big dama can be rare enough that you can go ahead and push until met with a riichi or someone that looks dangerous with an open hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19821381
You need a yaku and if you stay closed riichi will always count. If you open you need something else that will count like tanyao (only 2-8).
Also consult the chart
>>19772400

[Anonymous No.]

>>19821672
>>19825891
Thank!

[Anonymous No.]

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018090622gm-00c1-0000-a74d0aec&tw=2

Is there a good reason kamicha didn't riichi 3rd round 1 honba? It lost him the game and I don't know why he didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19828701
Their dealer turn is rip, so probably tried to get closer to mangan through pinfu. Someone said here most joukyuu damatens are mistakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19828701
Since it is tonpuusen he was just trying to get to the last hand with a lead. It was still probably a mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do you continue to struggle?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19833446
so I can get good enough to teach a friend who for some reason has a mahjong kit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19727878
>east three
>have comfortable lead
>dealer throws five pin on first throw
>dealer throws five sou next
>dealer keeps dropping mid tiles and red fives
>looks at own hand
>totalshit.jpg
>be totally fucking blind
>throw honor tiles with 3 draws left
>dealer double yakuman
>"fuck this dumb fucking game"

[Anonymous No.]

>4+7+10+9
>Last month of progress lost over 2 days of fucking bullshit
I've fucking had it. This is seriously giving me anger issues. Every single game is everyone else getting lucky but me. I'm fucking done.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm amazed that "Kyodai Mahjongg" was so popular many years ago, but it has barely anything to do with real Mahjongg.

Since the only Mahjongg game I own is part of Yakuza 0, can anybody here tell me if it's somewhat accurate?

[Anonymous No.]

>get ron'd for a shitty hand that only gets 3rd to 2nd
I don't get it
>>19837689
What do you mean with accurate? It's Riichi Mahjong with all the rules and stuff like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19837800
What don't you get?
He went from third to second, thus converting a loss into a slight gain
Why wouldn't they do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19837689
I don't have the game but I heard 2 people complaining bots here deal in each other. I was japed by mad because bad folk wasn't I? Anyway usually mahjong bots programmed to act accordingly to information open to everyone + their hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19837800
He could only win if he got either 0s or direct hit 5s. I don't think it's realistic considering it's already on 3rd discard row.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19837451
try a different client. tenhou has some consistent bullshit that I haven't encountered elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19838093
This. Tenhou is the tryhard client.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19837283
Perhaps he was used to playing against bots who don't go for a yakuman except by accident.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19837689
It is pretty accurate except the bots play kinda weird.
They go for 7 pairs way more often than actual players do and sometimes seem to get streaks of insane luck.

[Anonymous No.]

so I finally manned up and started playing on tenhou, but something curious happened to me. I had my cursor over the tile I wanted to discard, but for some reason the freshly drawn tile got discarded. I guess I should find this part in the replay, but how could this have happened? did I run down the timer without noticing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841274
Either that or you right clicked. Or you had auto discard on. Or you were in riichi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19837283
Cut me some slack, I was 8-kyuu when I posted that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19840715
>who don't go for a yakuman except by accident.
That is me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843287
Kokushi musou is something you should go for with really shitty hands. The worst thing that can happen is that you end up with a ton of safe tiles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19842852
I might've right clicked. My notebook has right click on a two-finger click and I must've done it accidentally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841274
You might have just had a shitty connection

[Anonymous No.]

Someone by the name of gousi just made tenhoui.

https://nodocchi.moe/tenhoulog/#name=gousi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19848968
It's me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19843306
Well I go open chanta instead. If I get the one with more honors than terminals, I'll try it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19848968
Dat promotion

[Anonymous No.]

>>19849453
This is a good idea, I've just played normal if I have below 8 terminals/honors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19838093
Like what?
I've seen very few kans that turned to kandora while I see that almost regularly see it happening in SegaMJ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19841274
When you click outside your tiles, you discard the new draw too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19848968
What informations does this show?
Also what happens if I would get into Houou but am using the pirated client?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19848968
https://twitter.com/Go_Saito3110/status/1038748991003873280
>actual pro mahjong player
Is this the first time? Not counting ASAPIN/Totori because he went pro later after getting Tenhou-i.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19849954
when I play live or on other clients, you get the occasional surprise, which is part of the fun of the game, but by and large the only times I get ron'd is when I conciously drop a tile I know is risky and decide to push.

last week in tenhou I got dama haneman'd twice in the same game early in the round.

have you even been double ron'd by two tanki waits? on a fucking xia? when one was in the 3rd player's pond? I have.

twice.

and what's so frustrating about Tenhou is how things like that aren't one-off, they cluster on you and throw you off, making your own judgement falter and amplifying your mistakes. This just makes for a joyless experience and I'm fucking tired of getting mad and being frustrated at something that's supposed to be a hobby.

sure I might be some scrub that got kicked out of tokujou, but what's more important? enjoying yourself or bragging rights?

aight, that's my piece. feel free to disagree and/or mock me but I'm not getting into another one of those fucking debates that throw off the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850350
But that's just what players decide to pull off, not sure how the client is doing bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850350
That's a nice rant but the fact that there are people that make it to tenhoui means it doesn't really hold water.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850350
>japs play better than your local dudes
That's a given. Are you enjoying being a big fish in a small pond?

[Anonymous No.]

Newer player who struggles the most memorizing Yaku, what are some tips or ways to memorize this stuff? Just for some reason it isn't sticking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850609
I made Anki flashcards but I'm guessing if you keep playing and pay attention to the yaku people get you'll memorize them over time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850609
you can think of yaku in certain broad categories.
those related to suits like honitsu and chinitsu, those related to terminals like chanta, junchan,etc, those related to matches like iipekoi, shansoku, etc. those related to honors like dragons and valued winds

so if you see a poyential pattern in your starting hand, odds are you have the building blocks of a valid yaku. just exposing yourself is a good step to get familiar.

there's a study mode in the phone game tenhoG too, good for practice scoring and yaku familiarity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850350
>tfw ronning someone to death with a dama dealer baiman on east 1 on a hell wait
Dama hands are so scummy, but when I'm the one doing it, it feels so good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850530
That counter doesn't hold argument. If people get shat on, then by the nature of the game, other people can get rather lucky by the same RNG bullshit. The fact that people make it to tenhoui despite the ferociously strict ladder structure means that your counter doesn't hold water.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850531
>Assuming he's not in Japan
>Completely ignoring the line about other comments
Fragile ego, much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19851807
If it's all luck then everyone's average would even out to 25% each place over time, which isn't enough to make tenhoui. You're not making any sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19851835
That's only if the luck is short term, IE only per hand, or per match. Not something along the lines of, say, per month or quarter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19851975
If it's not short term it's not luck.

[Anonymous No.]

look, the only thing I was trying to convey is that I got to a point that tenhou's grind was turning the game into work, I want to enjoy the game outside of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19851812
Sorry I didn't try to fragile their/your ego by paying attention to embarrassing complaints about basic ass otakaze tanki waits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19851812
don't waste your time with that type. they come in here at the height of a winning streak to gloat over less experienced player only to cry about about their bad month as soon as fortunes turn. tenhou's cost/reward system tends to elicit that behavior in some folks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19852483
>I didn't try to fragile their/your ego
wut

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850010
>pirated client
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850609
Play over and over and over again. Eventually, it becomes second nature

[Anonymous No.]

>>19851642
It doesn't.
There is no better feel than hitting Uradora and sending the faggotloser into more desperate despair

[Anonymous No.]

>>19852817
You can use the client without paying by using an injector that's available

[Anonymous No.]

>>19852542
The other guy was just complaining about some bullshit other players pull off which is allegedly even worse in parlors.

Anyways who else on their unquestionable path to /dominating god of Mahjong/ here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853143
Might I ask how one might come across something like that? And are there any risks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853358
Not sure how it works, but people have been using it for years now without anything getting fucked up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853343
>Anyways who else on their unquestionable path to /dominating god of Mahjong/ here?
See you in 2 weeks when the losing streak gets you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850609
You don't need to know most of them. Start with a few (riichi, tsumo, tanyao, yakuhai) and slowly add more (pin fu, chitoitsu, toitoi, honitsu) and more(iitsuu, sanshoku, chanta/junchan). Those will cover most situations. One of the problems most newer players have is they try to remember them all, but it is much easier to learn a few at a time and slowly integrate them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853483
It basically just sets the "have you paid" indicator and expiration dates in the client itself. As with any crack, a lot of antivirus programs will flag it, so make sure to whitelist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19853895
This. Best method is to memorize a few of them and ONLY ever go for those hands for like 3-5 games. Once you can memorize them, keep adding more and only go for those ones until they are burnt into your memory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19850097
Moriyama-pro when?

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck mahjong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19856212
Got hit by another sanbaiman tsumo on your dealerturns?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19856384
Lost my Pon Palace passport

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that mahjong is also a game of luck so the only thing you can do is the best you can and you'll eventually beat the variance.
Dwelling on individual results is completely worthless, best players will have the best points/winrate eventually given enough games.
The game is like poker or magic the gathering, you just have to accept variance, but not fall into the trap of playing poorly "because I get lucky/unlucky anyway"

[Anonymous No.]

I made it to 2 Dan last night! After 3 scary games of almost getting last place I got a quick win to move up.

Mahjong is fun

[Anonymous No.]

Is her play style viable?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19860518
Sure if you have the magical power to ensure that whoever else riichies will deal into you immediately after you riichi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19860518
Literally the only Saki girls with viable playstyles are Nodoka and Mako and maybe Hisa, rest of them cheat with superpowers.

[Anonymous No.]

Started playing recently and it's addicting but so frustrating, I'm sort of already sick of it. Dealing into someone's hand is the worst feeling ever. And most of the time you never get to go for the fun or interesting yaku, you just get a shit hand and have to go for riichi/tanyao/pinfu/yakuhai for the millionth time, and on the very rare occasion you do get something special, your opponents will just cuck you out of it by declaring riichi on the second turn. It's also like, 80% luck. All the strategy and careful dealing in the world can't save you when a guy gets a near-complete hand right off the wall, goes out with riichi ippatsu 2 turns later, and then magically gets 5 dora.

I'm just playing against AIs in a flash game but I feel like that must be making it worse. They are happy to deal tiles I can pon or chii on most of the time, but the second I declare riichi they all become psychic gods who effortlessly avoid dealing into my hand. The CPU even takes noticeably longer to deal tiles to make sure they pick ones that absolutely cannot be my waits. Meanwhile if they declare riichi I'm basically guaranteed to deal in to them within 5 turns unless I throw away my hand.

I'm sure there's more strategy to it that I'm missing because overall I lose pretty consistently even when I am able to win a big hand here and there. I'm really bad at recognizing my potential tenpais/waits just by looking at my hand, especially if I have lots of tiles in the same suit. I also don't really have any idea how to recognize what tiles an opponent might be going for just by looking at their discards, if that's even possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19862269
Stop playing against ai anon
Go play the scrubs in ippan for a good time. They'll go for the more wild yaku.
Also read up on tile efficiency and defense

>I'm basically guaranteed to deal in unless I throw away my hand
Yes, throw away your hand. If someone else has declared riichi, then the expected value of pushing a hand is typically lower than not pushing it. Unless you have a high value hand or you're already in tenpai

[Anonymous No.]

>>19862269
See >>19858367
If you're playing with red tiles just go for at least mangan most of the time and you eventually win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19862269
Also AIs are usually programmed to always deal safe tiles if possible when someone is in riichi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19862269
Can I just leave this here for you? When you have the time at least give it a glance. Really think it might help.

https://osamuko.com/basic-defense-techniques-in-mahjong/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19862269
Ohh, and this one, too. Almost forgot.

https://osamuko.com/umaikeiki-defense-guide-betaori-and-suji/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19862269
just learn the yakus, learn that if you have a shitty hand you should just defend, don't riichi on a shitty wait, etc. since you're a beginner, almost any article you read (assuming it's not too high-level for you to understand) will have a positive effect on your gameplay.

I could beat the gamedesign bots with this after 1-2 weeks. (or you can just go play in ippan as the other anon says)

(disclaimer: I'm a beginner too)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19862269
You're just in the learning phase. So, just play around. See what works and what doesn't work.

On top of that, y'got some basic learning to do such as yaku. But give that some bit of time.

>They are happy to deal tiles I can pon or chii on most of the time

Humans are not too much different.

[Anonymous No.]

should I only play hanchan or is it fine to switch to east-only so I have a better chance of tasting victory tonight?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19865009
Do what you want, it's not like the south round is that much different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19865020
I wanna win but I can't so I guess I'll just go read a book or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19865262
Read a book on tile efficiency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19865320
That's the idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19864900
I feel like I've got a pretty good handle on the yaku. Not expert or even intermediate level of course, but I'm able to keep a fair chunk of the most common ones in mind. Most of the time I just go for riichi/tanyao/pinfu/yakuhai, but if I see the potential for something more I'll try for sanshoku, ittsu, honitsu, chitoitsu, toitoi, etc. Even had a couple of potential yakuman hands but they were cut short by the opponents. But I don't really yet have any kind of instinct for judging my hand's potential for yaku, and stuff like when and where I should open my hand.

Compared to yaku, I have a much harder time figuring out how best to get to tenpai and recognizing my waits once I'm there. Often I don't realize I've reached tenpai until the game lets me declare riichi, and then I have to study my hand to figure out the configuration that puts me in tenpai, but that's definitely not something you want to rely on. It's not that I don't understand the basic requirements, I just have a hard time seeing all the different ways the tiles can be arranged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19862269
That maujong bot game app has the mode you can replay the same hand over and over and over, maybe that helps if you come across a big deal one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19865554
Have you read up on the 5-block method? That helped me a lot, and then you can see how many blocks still need completed for an idea of how far you are from tenpai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19865725
I looked it up and went through a basic overview. It's essentially a more formalized version of what I was already doing intuitively. Pretty much the first thing I look for in my starting hand is counting the complete melds and identifying the parts that have the potential to become melds. The part where I slip is when there are multiple ways to interpret a cluster of tiles.

For example in a case of having say 4555667, my automatic reaction is to think of it as a triplet of 5s and a pair of 6s i.e. 555 + 66 + 4 + 7, partially because of the way tiles in a hand are grouped automatically by the game. However you can also interpret it as being two straights of 456 + 567 + 5, or one straight, a pair, and a potential straight of 55 + 456 + 67, or a straight with two other potential straights of 567 + 56 + 45. It's actually much better to think of it as one of those, but it's hard to suddenly change up your mindset if you've started thinking of it one way or another, and if you're not aware of all the potential ways your tiles can be configured you can end up being unaware of your own waits, ignoring tiles that would have gotten you to tenpai faster, or even putting yourself in furiten without realizing it. And that's stuff is important to know especially if you're not playing a video game that will automatically tell you when you can make calls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19866092
Yeah, you start to learn different ways clusters of tiles like that can be interpreted the more you play. I've read books that have in passing mentioned certain patterns of tiles and how many tiles they can accept, I know Daina Chiba's book has a table or something on a few patterns too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19866092
You need someone to play irl. One-two chombos would heal this pretty quick.

[Anonymous No.]

>S3-8
>somewhat decent hands but get cockblocked by kamicha the whole game with his mighty 1 han hands
>bullshit like getting an ippatsu on a single tile of which I have the triplets in my fucking hand
>toimen is doing bullshit like calling kans but backs out as soon as someone else riichis
>shimocha left at some point so the entire flow of the game is fucked anyways
>every fucking game goes to like 15 turns
>kamicha keeps tsumoing for his dumb 1 han hands

[Anonymous No.]

>>19868418
Sounds like smart 1han hands

[Anonymous No.]

>>19868418
when you win small someone else doesn't win big

[Anonymous No.]

Tenhou has some special kind of bullshit. I never Kan nowadays because someone always gets an additional dora or three/someone Riichis straight after and conjures some miraculous ura dora bullshit. Sometimes I like to believe it's RNG but over the years Tenhou's 'randomness' is too consistently bullshit to believe in. I find third dan's in Ippan tend to pull the most bullshit, last place S4 dealer and an ippatsu tsumo haneman with another big hand back to back to steal wins from nowhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19869201
How does it feel to be this paranoid?

[Anonymous No.]

I was 27400 up from the second in the last round but then he got suuankou (I guess it's still my fault since I probably should've called more aggressively, going for shiitty 1000 point hands)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19869201
I'm with you on that one. I'm fucking over tenhou's endless grind and "one step forward, three steps back" system.

finally I can enjoy mahjong again

[Anonymous No.]

>>19870165
He's not wrong, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19869201
>kan
>thinking no one else will riichi or get new dora
>3 dans in ippan
what are you even doing mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>19874727
Yes, Tenhou is out to get specifically you. If you're playing baldy, it's Tenhou's fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875273
No one's talking about playing baldy, or badly. Lighten up, Francis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875280
Not meme enough to know who Francis is, but he/you is definitely blaming Tenhou for their rank down when it's their/your own fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875292
>Not meme enough to know who Francis is
No, you're just not old enough to get the reference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875295
Good one. Stop whining if you can't handle your skill level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875301
I wasn't whining. Don't think anyone else was, either. Again, lighten up, Francis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875304
>>Tenhou has some special kind of bullshit.
>>Tenhou's 'randomness' is too consistently bullshit to believe in.
>I wasn't whining.
Shut the fuck up and stop crying about a game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875311
Yeah, I think you're smart enough to realize that I'm the person who replied to him. I mean, I hope you are. You seem pretty worked up over basically nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875319
>I'm the person who replied to him.
s/him/myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875327
Yeah, man. Those regular expressions, right? Listen, you seem really mad about something. I dunno what to tell you. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875333
Tenhou isn't rigged against you. Stop thinking that it is, and just accept that it's placing you against people your level. Not sure what else there is to say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875337
>Stop thinking that it is
I don't. Are you okay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875342
You either do or are defending someone who does. Are you denying this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875349
>Are you denying this?
Yes. Again, are you okay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875352
>>Tenhou has some special kind of bullshit.
>>Tenhou's 'randomness' is too consistently bullshit to believe in.
>He's not wrong, though.
Please stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875357
Stop what? This isn't one of these weird kid troll things where you try to accuse other people of posts you made so you can argue with them, is it? Because that would be dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875363
Even if you weren't the original poster, the posts you're defending are talking about Tenhou being rigged against them. I'm not sure what else to tell you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875383
Oh, okay. That's pretty neat. Are you done "blowing me the fuck out" now? Would you like to talk about Mahjong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875385
Sorry, from the context I was pretty sure we were talking about Tenhou and how it's Tenhou's fault that you lose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875390
No, I'm pretty sure you were smart enough to realize that I wasn't saying anything of the sort. I really think you just want to "troll" someone because you're an angry child. And I'm willing to let you do it in the hopes that you'll just get it out of your system and maybe talk about some Riichi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875396
I asked someone how it felt to be paranoid about Tenhou being rigged against them. Someone else said, "He's not wrong, though."
I commented sarcastically that Tenhou was out to get them. You defended them. Stop trying to turn this around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875412
>You defended them.
No, I didn't.
>Stop trying to turn this around.
I'm not the one derailing a thread and having a complete mental breakdown because someone was venting about the luck aspects of Riichi. Not really sure why you're allowed to post all this nonsense to blow off steam from a bad day but they're not, but that's neither here nor there. It's fine, though. I'll be whoever you want me to be if you just get it out of your system soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875418
>>>You defended them.
>>No, I didn't.
>[I questioned his assumption that Tenhou was rigged against him]
>[Someone said, "He's not wrong though."]
>[I implicated that he was wrong.]
>You said, "No one's talking about playing[...]badly. Lighten up, Francis[???].]

[Anonymous No.]

what's up with Francis? he lose a game again?

[Anonymous No.]

Catch me up on Francis. I'm not familiar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875442
The funny part is that you started this by accusing someone else of being paranoid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syV2LkGpQB0

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875508
They literally accused Tenhou of being rigged against them. What else do you call that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875517
I don't really know. I'm more curious as to why you still in full shitposting mode over it. Is it really that serious?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875519
I'm very drunk but also I don't know why we can't agree that he's wrong and an idiot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875523
No, I don't think you're drunk. I think you're just now realizing that multiple people are baffled by your shitposting and want you to just stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875543
I definitely am, but also why won't you answer my question, and also when have I only spoken with one of the "multiple people" at a time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875567
>but also why won't you answer my question
Because your question is a trap, and not a very good one. Depending on how I answer, that'll be your "proof" that I'm either the person upset with Tenhou, or one of the people who defended his opinion. As I've mentioned, I'm not any of them. So I'd rather just not get baited into more of your nonsensical shitposting.

Also, why are you suddenly posting from a new IP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875567
>fatass
>drunk on bum vodka
What a shock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875573
I took that picture from my phone. Also I don't think you're the original poster, but I think you're hard pressed to prove that you're not the person that was defending them, which is why you're looking for any reason to avoid talking about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875578
Good relevant post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875579
>but I think you're hard pressed to prove that you're not the person that was defending them
I'm not really sure why I have to prove that at all, frankly. I don't really care what you believe, I just want you to get the trolling and shitposting out of your system so we can get the thread back on track. Would it help if I let you have the last word?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875585
>drunk fatass spamming a thread with complete shit is worried about relevant posts

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875586
Because it's a common theme that Tenhou is "rigged," which is nonsense that you're defending. It's very relevant to the topic of the thread, since most people here are playing on Tenhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875589
Who are you quoting though, you literal /v/ poster?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875594
>Because it's a common theme that Tenhou is "rigged,"
Nah, it's really not. That's people blowing off steam. They don't really think that.
>which is nonsense that you're defending
No, I'm really not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875609
But my whole deal is that I'm saying that Tenhou isn't rigged, and you've been arguing. If we're on the same page, then what's your deal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875614
>But my whole deal is that I'm saying that Tenhou isn't rigged
Yeah, I gathered that.
>and you've been arguing
No, I haven't. That's been entirely on you, trying to make me into posters that I'm not.
>then what's your deal?
My deal is letting you get this trolling and shitposting out of your system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875629
But you just established that I wasn't trolling, but trying support that fact that that Tenhou isn't rigged? And me and you have been having a very clear 1-on-1 conversation so I'm not sure who you think I'm assuming you are?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19875653
>And me and you have been having a very clear 1-on-1 conversation
No, we haven't. We've been going around in circles about all the different posters you seem to think I am. If you'd like to have a conversation, preferably about mahjong, that'd be great.

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>>19875660
It's weird that you and I have been active on this inactive thread and also a bunch of other people that seem like they're you but actually aren't.

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>>19875660
Which post is your first reply in the set of all conversation chains starting with >>19869201?

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>>19875673
Yeah, this is exactly what I was talking about in my last post. The thread isn't as inactive as you want to believe it is.

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>>19875680

>>19875295

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>>19875683
It is though. Otherwise there would be other people besides you and /v/-chan arguing with me.

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>>19875698
There are. You just can't admit that because you'd then have to tacitly admit that you overreacted and started shitposting over literally nothing.

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>>19875700
Weird that you all take turns posting one at a time where it seems like you're actually one person.

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OH MAN, THAT FRANCIS! HE GETS A LITTLE LIQUOR IN HIM AND STARTS TO GO NUTS ABOUT MAHJONG!

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>>19875709
Like I said earlier, it's funny that this shitshow started with you accusing *someone else* of being paranoid.

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>>19875713
If we're pretending that I'm Francis, then I'll correct you and say that I'm going nuts about people pretending that Tenhou is rigged.

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>>19875713
My name is Psycho.

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next thread needs to be "Francis edition"

make it happen

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>>19875728
Needs to be the "Lighten up, Francis" edition, since the Stripes reference got this started in the first place. Well, that and that little kid's autism.

[Anonymous No.]

next thread needs to be "Tenhou is rigged and we're ardent believers edition"

make it happen

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>>19875746
kek

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtHkSw9nEY

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>>19875746
it's funny you still think anyone here is even talking about that, when it's your behavior that's the topic.

man Francis, you gotta lay off the booze

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>>19875764
Show me a post of mine that isn't about that.

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>>19875760
I miss John Candy

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>>19875764
inb4 yet more samefag accusations

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys! are we talking about ura suji?

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>>19875775
>watch that clip
>"man, i haven't seen stripes in years, i should watch it again"
>see john candy right next to harold ramis

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Hey, here's the only thing I've ever said in this thread: Tenhou isn't rigged!

Posts arguing with me have been arguing with that.

>>19875786
No, that would be stupid as ura suji are useless.

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>>19875774
Lighten up, Francis.

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>>19875795
You sure got me.

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>>19875792
>Tenhou isn't rigged!
[citation needed]

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>>19875805
Yeah, it's out to get you. Good luck living your life, child.

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>>19875816
So, you have no proof for your claim?

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>>19875818
You're making the claim, the burden of proof is on you.

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>>19875824
I didn't make any claim. You just said Tenhou isn't rigged. Citation needed.

[Anonymous No.]

tenhou isn't rigged, but it's basically a sales job

you spend your month grinding on a client only to be disappointed by your numbers at the end of the month.

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>>19875825
"Tenhou isn't rigged."

That's a claim, you mongoloid.

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>>19875831
Yes, that you just made. So, are you going to provide proof for it or not?

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>>19875835
I was mixed up there, obviously. You have to prove that something "is," not that something "isn't."

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>>19875844
So what you're saying is that you don't have any proof one way or the other, and it's safe to say that we can't know for sure if Tenhou is rigged or not, correct?

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go to bed Francis, you're shitting up the thread.

and other dudes let's not encourage more shiposting by replying to this tantrum.

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>>19875852
If you can't provide proof that Tenhou is rigged, it isn't, just as God isn't real because nobody can provide proof he is. There's an insane amount of data collected on Tenhou matches and it's astonishing that you think that some sort of rigging could occur without anybody noticing.

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>>19875862
>and it's astonishing that you think that some sort of rigging could occur without anybody noticing.
But I don't think that at all. I just want you to provide proof for you claim that it isn't rigged.

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>>19875856
Don't act like this thread would have any posts if it weren't for me defending Tenhou.

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>>19875871
That's not how burden of proof works. It's literally impossible to prove that something "isn't."

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>>19875881
So then we can't really say for sure whether or not Tenhou is rigged. Got it.

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>>19875872
>i had to become a pathetic shitposting faggot to save the thread
Lighten up, Francis.

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>>19875899
Who the fuck are you quoting, /v/-chan?

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>>19875913
You, Francis.

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>>19875920
If Francis supports Tenhou not being rigged, then I support Francis.s

[Anonymous No.]

rigged clients don't exi-

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>>19875935
What about that do you think is rigged? That they discarded your winning tile?

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I like how he only pretended to be drunk for all of like five minutes during his autistic fit.

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>>19875881
>It's literally impossible to prove that something "isn't."
Actual, non-samefag third party here. This is brainlet thinking. You can easily show evidence of a system showcasing instances of it not being rigged until a reasonable person would not doubt it's authenticity.
>B-b-b-but people would have noticed it by now!
They are noticing it. People in this very thread are stating their suspicions, but they get shot down by people with no evidence who just assume it would get proven by the people they shoot down, even though they have comparative evidence from other clients and real-life tables.

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>>19876019
I typically only see people say "I'm drunk" in an argument when they passively-aggressively want an out from an argument they don't have the balls to drop themselves.

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>>19876160
Pretty much. Especially when they're the one that started the argument in the first place, and they've since realized that they shouldn't have and that they look like a complete ass because of it.

What made it funny in this case was that he actually went through the trouble of taking one of his wino mother's cheap vodka bottles out of the trash, filling it with a little water, and then posting a picture of it.

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>>19876154
C'mon, man. Don't take this away from him. He's finally found something that he's almost good at in this world. If it's rigged, that means that his "skill" isn't the determining factor in his wins. He's not ready to come to terms with that yet.

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>>19869201
You're supposed to kan when you are close to winning, not every time when you have an opportunity.

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>muh tenhou
>get a vpn
>get a jap name
>play the same
>the same results
>???
>tenhou is still rigged

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>>19876829
>still shitposting hours after the fact
>???
>kek

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>>19875943
>not understanding the relevance of posting a janryumon screenshot

Jesus Christ dude

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>>19876847
That wasn't me, I was asleep.

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>>19877335
>posting this instead of explaining how this is relevant
You must be a really popular guy.

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>>19877602
You must be knew. It was pretty well known that Janryuumon was rigged. It was even popularly called JanRiggedmon.

[Anonymous No.]

What do the red or blue underlines under you rank on the Windows client mean? Does red mean you haven't played many games?

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>>19877602
you're not worth the effort Francis.

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>>19878381
epic meme /b/ro

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>>19868929
>>19869008
He was in the lead with like 50-60k
I'm not saying it's dumb to play fast, short hands, especially when you're leading but the game will take forever when he's doing it in his dealer turns

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>>19771407
I just started playing Sega and the announcer here declares the first dora.
Not sure if I want to grind this though. Obligatory tonpuus. Easy but whyyyy

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>>19879689
Sounds like trying to push someone below 0 using dealer advantage. Can make sense in early East. If it was South round then who knows what he was doing.

Almost did the same thing in East 2 a few games ago. Until 2nd place pulled out a yakuman tsumo.

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>>19879689
Sounds to me like he was racking up those honbas and putting himself in a position where he could prevent a comeback

[Anonymous No.]

Is Francis elite?

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>>19881263
yeah he's pretty good I think, at the cost of being insufferable to speak with.