When will Touhou get an Anime like Kantai Collection?

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Anonymous Fri Jul 13 21:17:05 2018 No.19422997 [Reply] [Original]

When will Touhou get an Anime like Kantai Collection?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 21:57:53 2018 No.19423265 File: 831 KB, 498x278, tenor.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19422997 When Touhou is reclining

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 21:58:38 2018 No.19423271 >>19422997 No you fucking retard. ZUN has turned many studios down in the past. He has also said that he will never accept official seiyuus for any of his characters. There will never be an official Touhou anime.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 21:58:48 2018 No.19423272 hopefully motherfucking never

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 22:12:08 2018 No.19423342 >>19423271 >>19423272 But why?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 22:13:25 2018 No.19423352 >>19423342 It will attract secondaries.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 22:20:20 2018 No.19423371 >>19423342 It'll ruin the theme.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 22:21:07 2018 No.19423375 >>19423352 95% 2hu "fans" are already secondaries

Anonymous Fri Jul 13 22:22:34 2018 No.19423381

>>19423342
touhou won't get an official anime because then there'd be official voices for the characters, and ZUN doesn't want that
the reason being that all the fans have their own imaginations about how the characters sound as they've enjoyed this franchise for over 20 years, and he doesn't want an official source to come and crap on that for anyone, because no matter how a character sounded, there will be many fans who didn't imagine it that way and would be upset/disappointed, and there's no real reason to do that to them
same thing applies to how the action looks and how the scenes play out and how the characters would talk and react to things if the dialogue was expanded beyond what they say in the games and so forth

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 22:23:07 2018 No.19423383 >>19423342 it will stop being doujin

Anonymous Fri Jul 13 22:23:28 2018 No.19423386

>>19423342
Why does ZUN not want an anime? Because he said that Touhou is his passion project. He does not want soulless corporate hands to get on his IP. That would be anti-doujin. He doesn't care about making money, if he did then there would be official lewd Senran Kagura-esque games, gachashit, official anime, and copious amounts of official merchandise. He would be a multi-millionaire overnight. He said that he would continue to make Touhou games even if there were no fans left. That is his dedication to his passion. Touhou is his baby and he will not give it up to large corporations.

This thread should be over already. ZUN is completey against there being an official Touhou anime. Please stop posting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 22:34:56 2018 No.19423444 >>19423381 For me Marisa's voice is from MikoMikoSpark.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 22:39:49 2018 No.19423467 >>19423444 Thanks for sharing your headcanon with us.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 22:44:55 2018 No.19423494 >>19423467 No problem. One of the best grand prixs.

Anonymous Fri Jul 13 23:03:24 2018 No.19423570

If either he dies and someone else takes the rein, or if someway somehow he has 99% control over the whole thing, which is almost impossible.

The best you can have are short ones like that thing Madhouse did that never got released outside of an event.

I can't imagine how the fuck you'd make an anime of a Touhou game without padding and non-canon filler, which ZUN will absolutely disapprove of.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 23:04:56 2018 No.19423580 >>19423570 fuck, Ufotable did it, not Madhouse.

Anonymous Fri Jul 13 23:19:39 2018 No.19423635

>>19423570
The reason that the Anime Tenchou x Touhou Project special never got released or re-screened outside of the Animate Ichioshi Bishojou Matsuri event was because the PV in question portrayed it as an official collaboration when, in fact, it was not. The PV included ZUN's name in the credits as well as "Ikebukuro Hakurei Jinja" in the copyright section of one of it's promotional images. When asked about this on Twitter ZUN said he didn't know anything about it and he labeled it a derivative work. The creators of the short probably got too carried away with what they considered doujin spirit (they thought they could use the characters as they please) and made this project WITHOUT asking him first seeing as how ZUN didn't know much about it. It didn't see a release outside that event because the creators were probably embarrassed that they disrespected ZUN, so they swept this project under the rug and never talked about it again.

I'm 100% sure ZUN's intellectual property will die with him. His wife will respect him and IPs aren't passed down to children unless he specifically writes it in his will.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 23:45:02 2018 No.19423782 >>19423342 Would you like to see more garbage art on tumblr and on social media and faggots on YouTube saying “ZOMG HARDEST GAME EVAR!!!!!”

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 23:57:39 2018 No.19423856 Why doesn't ZUN want to make another work to sell out and get rich as a day job?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 13 23:59:29 2018 No.19423867 >>19423856 I'm pretty sure he's already well off. He started up his own brewery. He's satisfied with his life it seems.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 00:00:48 2018 No.19423873

>>19423381
>same thing applies to how the action looks and how the scenes play out and how the characters would talk and react to things if the dialogue was expanded beyond what they say in the games and so forth
The latter part has already been revealed in the manga, but it's understandable that ZUN doesn't want his characters voiced after many hit or miss attempts done by others that did the 2D/3D ransition.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 00:15:51 2018 No.19423952 >>19423271 ZUN also said he will never let doujin circles publish fangames on Steam.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 00:20:17 2018 No.19423963 >>19423952 A fucking official company-handled anime doesn't compare to doujin activites, which he's always been lenient on. Take your head out of your ass. ZUN has made his stance on anime perfectly clear time and time again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 00:26:18 2018 No.19423998 >>19423342 greedy cunt that's why

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 00:26:37 2018 No.19424000

>>19423386
Too add too this, I believe he has said in the past that another reason he doesn't want their too be an official anime of any kind is because he always wants people too think of Touhou as a game series first. Another thing too note is that even if he did collaborate with a big cooperation for some reason it wouldn't end up with him having less control over the series. He is the sole copyright holder and as we've seen in the past ZUN is extremely careful with what he agrees too. Unless he really fucked up he wouldn't lose any control.

>>19423952
I dont recall him ever saying that. I recall him saying back in 2014 that he may release his games on Steam one day (and yet it still shocked some people when he finally did) but I dont think he ever explicit said he would never allow fangames on Steam.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 00:27:10 2018 No.19424003 >>19423963 No wonder Touhou has been declining for years, while Kantai Collection has been thriving.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 00:28:52 2018 No.19424015 >>19424003 >thriving Maybe it's because it's a shitty no-skills-required browser-based waifu collector? There's a reason F/GO is also so popular and you can bet your ass it's not because of an anime.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 00:31:28 2018 No.19424027 >>19424003 Any company backed waifu collector game will thrive. Doesn't make it any less soulless or shit.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 00:41:05 2018 No.19424075

>>19424003
Kancolle has been taking a dive ever since Grand Order got big (big shock). Touhou has been on a steady plateau for years however. Its still very stable despite its age, which I think says alot.
Besides, the Kancolle anime had literally nothing too do with its popularity. From what I understand it didn't boost it by a significant margin and actual fans weren't very fond of it overall and a good amount of them consider it trash.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 00:56:22 2018 No.19424127 >>19424075 In fact, for the first time, doujinshis from Kantai Collection outsold Touhou doujinshis in the most recent Comiket.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:00:31 2018 No.19424146 >>19424127 Touhou hasn't been #1 for a while now, everyone know this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:05:00 2018 No.19424168 File: 497 KB, 1200x1739, 1531414621683.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19424146 Why would it? Even Doujinshi artist keep making this.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:14:29 2018 No.19424194

>>19424168
The only reason Touhou was popular to begin with was because EoSD memes boomed on NicoNico and Futaba during the golden age of Japanese internet. A great chunk of doujin works are EoSD focused. You can only get so many combinations with those charcaters. It's good that the secondary EoSD-focused circles are leaving Touhou behind. They weren't real fans to begin with.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:17:23 2018 No.19424201
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>>19424003
I'm fine with it desu. Touhou is currently in comfy state. It's not booming and causing much ruckus like in 2008 but doujins, music, fangames, etc are still coming.

Besides, even if KanColle and FGO has become popular I doubt they'll ever reach the achievement Touhou has. It just means that there are many people who play/likes them, but in terms of the amount fan content it is hard to surpass Touhou even now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:21:53 2018 No.19424216 >>19424194 I want to see what the UFO and TD fans can make, since those have potential for some fun fan games and works >>19424201 Exactly. It’s a period where you can kick back and watch the fireworks

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:34:48 2018 No.19424266 >>19424168 >Holocause never happen >Nanjin Massacre never Happen >child pornography does not exist >Jesus did not die in the cross At this point, should I even be surprised anymore?

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:42:03 2018 No.19424283

>>19424127
Im a bit perplexed as to what you specifically mean. Kancolle has been outperforming Touhou in terms of Comiket numbers for years. Granted, this isnt a good gauge of popularity and the numbers from Reitaisai have consistently been higher than what Kancolle has. Unless you mean Kancolle overtook Touhou at Comiket after the anime aired and admittedly I dont feel like checking the timeline of things but overall I doubt the anime that even fans weren't keen on had a huge impact on Kancolle's growth.

>>19424194
I certainly wouldnt attribute it too just that, but ill agree it was a big factor in its original growth. Its longevity and the fact that its massive spike in popularity was organic (unlike Kancolle and Grand Order) is something everyone from fans, content creators, and ZUN himself should be proud of. Its easy too get big with cooperate backing, which Touhou has never had.
On a side note I think alot of the reason that the EoSD cast, the cast ZUN put the least amount of effort into, is still so popular is specifically because ZUN didnt go too deep with them. Alot of extra room too work with compared too newer characters that ZUN did put alot of work into. Thats just my autsitic theory as too why EoSD is still so popular though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:47:07 2018 No.19424303 >>19422997 Worried, empty-eyed Yuyuko makes me a little hard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:50:08 2018 No.19424309 File: 1.19 MB, 1536x866, Screenshot_20180713-224848.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19424303 What did she see?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:53:02 2018 No.19424319 >>19424309 You only make a comeback for a shitpost unrelated to the discussion you started? Disgusting. I'm starting to believe your thread was nothing but bait.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:53:40 2018 No.19424325
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>>19424216
If you talk about manga doujin, other games already has tons of them with TD cast recently gained popularity. It's not even hard to check on boorus that there are artists like Shikushiku, kakao, benizuwai, fuantei, etc that produced a lot of TD-centric doujins. Same with other games, there are plenty of artists dedicated to 2hus and groupies past SA and even more artists who make doujins of them just because.

Contrary to popular beliefs, most new characters are well-liked throughout the years by actual Touhou fans, though I admit TD cast kinda took a while to take off.

Hard to say about fangames, though. It's true that the talented game devs tend to look at Touhou for its popularity and mainstream appeal, but that doesn't mean non-EoSD characters and new ones doesn't exist in fangames, especially ones that use a lot of characters and more focus on Gensokyo as a whole.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:55:10 2018 No.19424330 >>19424319 But I'm not OP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 01:55:29 2018 No.19424331 >>19424330 Not an argument

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:01:43 2018 No.19424355 >>19424330 That was still a shitpost. Gross.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:03:00 2018 No.19424362

>>19424325
I should’ve said DDC since that one is lacking for certain characters, but I guess TD is a runt of the pack in games because of its mechanics, despite having youmu playable.

You are spot on with each game getting its respective artists and doujin makers, so there’s that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:05:53 2018 No.19424376 >>19424319 Not every off-topic post you don't like is a shitpost, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:10:09 2018 No.19424394 >>19424376 >What did she see? She was obviously looking at Reimu, shown in the OP webm. That guy was looking for someone to say "my cock" then possibly ERP or start a lewd Yuyuko image dump. It was a shitpost through and through. Don't defend it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:10:59 2018 No.19424399 >>19424394 Or maybe she saw this shit thread...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:12:36 2018 No.19424401 >>19424394 Paranoid, much?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:15:03 2018 No.19424411 >>19424401 He was literally replying to a guy that said: >Worried, empty-eyed Yuyuko makes me a little hard. I'm assuming you're the same guy due to your insistent defending of an obvious shitpost. >>19424399 Most likely scenario.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:15:23 2018 No.19424413 >>19423867 I refuse to believe it's a successful business in Japan. Unless we both know who supports him

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:18:42 2018 No.19424432 >>19424411 Dude, you're on /jp/. Shitposting is the board's blood.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:19:19 2018 No.19424436 File: 172 KB, 1080x1620, Screenshot_20180713-231910.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19424411 >I'm assuming you're the same guy Wrong, because I'm >>19424399. You really are paranoid and should get your head out of the gutter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:23:47 2018 No.19424456 >>19424432 I wish we shitposted a lot on idolthreads to get them very mad instead of our Touhou culture. >>19424436 A mobileposter? Seriously? You have to be ironic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:25:25 2018 No.19424462 >>19424456 >mobileposter Using a landline ISP. Because fuck bringing my laptop with me onto my bed or RDPing to my server.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:27:44 2018 No.19424472 >>19424462 Based.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:28:32 2018 No.19424477
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>ctrl+f "secondar"
>1 of 3 matches
Reminder that YOU are a secondary if you do not read touhou in japanese. Not only have translators dumbed it down for you, in some cases, they have outright LIED to you. Use tertiary instead if you wish to feel superior over someone else.

I think ZUN will never want an anime ever, and his dislike for setting an official voice is a manifestation of his reservation in expanding the world of touhou too much.
EoSD has been out for more than a decade now, and yet we don't even know where the hell the SDM even came from. How does the Hakurei shrine maiden succession work? Who is the Hakurei shrine's god? Does Marisa ever contact her family? We don't know: we will probably never know.
ZUN seems to have an aversion towards filling in the "gaps" that his fans can fill in and put their own imaginations into, and an official anime will fill in more "gaps" than what the characters "should" sound like.

There are a lot of good touhou anime / voiced fanworks that should be able to scratch your itch for the touhou girls talking and in motion. It may not be studio levels of production, but they try their best.

>>19423444
a lot of the grand prix voices are really good. If I were to name the voices I like, it would be better to name the voices I didn't like, since they did so well with the casting everyone was pretty much spot on. Chen and Tewi voices were bad for me.

Speaking of fanwork voices, Sumer day's dream had a surprisingly popular cast to voice their anime. I recommend those who want a touhou anime to check them out and buy their works. Unlike the OP, it has an original (and exciting!) plot, so you will have something new to discover. Fight scenes are exciting when they happen.
>>19423782
you can choose to not see those. Let people have their own fun.
>>19424331
don't use a canned response if you don't know how to use it
>>19423371
>>19423383
please explain what you mean.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:28:52 2018 No.19424478 File: 131 KB, 600x600, JOy5Jhf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19424456 Touhou culture is mostly about shitposting, what are you talking about? Only /v/ and /vg/ tryhards who are so insistent about quality. You need to take it easy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:28:56 2018 No.19424479 >>19424462 If your doing that then just kill yourself out of /jp/ kudosai

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:30:29 2018 No.19424485 >>19424477 I can choose not to see them but they’ll be more apparent and jutt out like a zit on a teens forehead. It’s ugly and you want absolutely nothing to do with them

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:32:18 2018 No.19424491

>>19424478
We have dedicated shitposting threads. Are you admitting that this entire thread was created as a shitpost? Good. That was my suspicion too. Glad we agree.
>>19424477
Hey ESLbro ZUN will never make an official Touhou anime no matter how hard you cry about it. Sorry but it's facts.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:32:22 2018 No.19424492

>>19424479
I'm sorry I don't live in such a small space I have to have my PC in my bedroom. Mobileposters get a bad rap because on cellular ISPs it's incredibly easy to ban evade since you just toggle airplane mode and bam you're free to go. At home it's different, you have static IPs and bans are bans so I don't see what the problem is if all posts are coming from that IP address. Perhaps you should stop and wonder why mobileposting is frowned upon before crying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:33:34 2018 No.19424495 >>19424477 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV8l8zpATgg

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:34:17 2018 No.19424499 >>19424492 Okay so make me think that every phoneposter isn’t some faggot that goes around messing up threads and contributing with nothing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:38:03 2018 No.19424506 >>19424492 That's not an excuse for mobileposting. Please remove yourself from /jp/ until you get your act together.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:39:34 2018 No.19424510

>>19424499
You're not wrong for assuming phoneposters are mostly here for drive-by shitposts but do realize that in that image I'm clearly connected to wifi and that many cellular ISPs are already blanket banned across the entire site for that exact reason. Perhaps 4chan should just blacklist every cellular ISP and this entire site would be done with it altogether.
>>19424506
Cease your autism. Do you really bring your laptop with you everywhere you go?

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:40:52 2018 No.19424518
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>>19424491
>Are you admitting that this entire thread was created as a shitpost?
It doesn't matter what the thread is intended for or how it become. Since when it become such an issue on /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:42:18 2018 No.19424521 >>19424518 Shitposting is what fueled /jp/ after all, not dumb idolfaggotry of gravure and seiyuus

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:43:05 2018 No.19424524 >>19424518 Tell that to Meido then.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:49:14 2018 No.19424550

>>19424521
Yes. You think the reason the 3DPDfags infested /jp/ is because of /jp/ itself and not newfag mods or something?

>>19424524
Meido does clean up threads that's not within /jp/ culture, but /jp/ culture is never about strictly "good" discussion.
That being said meido does a lot of misjudgement.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 02:51:39 2018 No.19424559 >>19424550 I wish /jp/ was my shitting ground too but shitposting in a interesting argument is kind of asshole-ish t b h. Especially when the shitpost wasn't funny to begin with.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 03:00:12 2018 No.19424594

>>19424559
If you've been in /jp/ for more than 3 years you should already get used to discussion derailed into shitposting in shitposting board.
In fact, you're seemingly upset from one post >>19424309 that could be ignored and the discussion might go on. Instead you derailed the thread yourself by your own sperging.
Classic tryhard.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 03:03:58 2018 No.19424611

>>19424594
Derail the thread? Who the fuck was talking in this conversation besides you and I? No one. The question in the OP was answered thoroughly already. I only called out one shitpost and you decide to defend it with your life. You are the one who made this pointless argument as long as it was. You are the sperg. You cannot defend a shitpost then complain about a supposed thread derailment when no one else was talking besides us.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 03:37:39 2018 No.19424705

>>19424611
Woah, I did said that but it's not like I'm upset or anything, and I already said people should get used being derailed.
Besides my post started here >>19424432, I'm not the phonefag and other anon. I'm just trying to tell you to take it easy and that /jp/ is a shitposting board, though I admit I did sound a bit forceful on trying to get my point across but I only replied for the sake of replying. My bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 03:47:44 2018 No.19424745 File: 713 KB, 1000x952, 51265877_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19424491 >no matter how hard you cry about it >cry about it What? What am I crying about? I simply explained why a toho anime is never happening. Do not be so hostile.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 03:54:29 2018 No.19424767 zun is such a faggot holy shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 04:02:00 2018 No.19424785 >>19424767 >zun Excuse you, secondary-kun. It's ZUN. Kill yourself out of /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 04:04:51 2018 No.19424795 >>19422997 Were Memories of Phantasm, Summer Day's Dream, Hifuu Club Activity Record, and countless PVs not enough?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 04:37:15 2018 No.19424907 >>19424413 It's not the whether it's a profitable business or not, starting up a brewery/bar takes quite a bit of capital and ZUN already seems to have it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 04:53:40 2018 No.19424973
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>>19424003
Even during KanColle's peak back in 2014 boats still didn't outperform Reitaisai numbers. Nowadays boats are literally dead for various reasons while 2hu has the same steady numbers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 11:26:00 2018 No.19426884 File: 129 KB, 314x278, 1531055960458.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19422997 Wasn't Kantai Collection animation bad and nothing more then meme-spewing bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 11:51:46 2018 No.19427053 >>19424477 reminder that you are also secondary if you are not japanese and not a white piggu that can read a little basic kanji

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 12:23:28 2018 No.19427269 >>19423381 ZUN is a cool guy. That's pretty neat, actually .

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 13:33:40 2018 No.19427722 >>19427269 ZUN at least knows and interacts with the fans and others. The man even met billy herrington when he was alive

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 13:34:55 2018 No.19427728 >>19424477 I'm a septenary, I only know about Touhou from the CNN video on Bad Apple.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 13:55:23 2018 No.19427879 >>19422997 Neeeever ever ever ever ever. The one reason among the many you can cite that I like to cite is that ZUN doesn't want canon voices.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 14:02:34 2018 No.19427932 >>19423444 Personally, I think Marisa needs a girly voice to further emphasize her "off"ness. She's weird in a lot of ways.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 16:44:38 2018 No.19429086 >>19422997 Basically this >>19423352 this >>19423381 and this >>19423386 /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 16:52:31 2018 No.19429153 File: 445 KB, 746x676, 1521947054132.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19427879 You got to admit an Anime of Touhou would revitalize the series from it's death bed.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 17:19:36 2018 No.19429327

>>19423856
>>19423867
>>19424413
>>19424907
Pretty sure ZUN quit his day job. Not confirmed, but it just makes a little more sense with all he had on his plate during the Forbidden Scrollery era: writing a monthly manga, WAHH every other month and later VFiS. That and royalties from the fighters and fangames, his own Comiket sales and other stuff that would set him up pretty good.

And I think it's not really his own brewery. He just loans one out to brew his line of beer. He would still need a bit of money for that, but it's a far cry from his own brick-and-mortar brewpub.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 18:18:11 2018 No.19429712

>>19429153
Touhou is still consistently one of the most popular series in terms of circle attendance for Comiket. Combine that with Reitaisai and it's far from "dying". Just because you got bored with the series doesn't mean that it is dying. Stop this meme now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 18:36:33 2018 No.19429803 >>19429327 Last time I checked writing touhou manga was ZUN's day job, he probably also made a bunch of money off of steam.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 18:39:52 2018 No.19429821 >>19429803 >he probably also made a bunch of money off of steam. Please don't remind me, how Zun became a sellout,

>>	Junkoposter Sat Jul 14 19:16:14 2018 No.19429996 File: 18 KB, 261x243, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19429821 >Zun >not ZUN

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 22:57:26 2018 No.19431272 >>19423381 I like that most of the fans agree that Kikuko Inoue is the fitting VA for Yukari

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 23:16:35 2018 No.19431384 >>19429996 Please do not misuse the quote function.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 23:34:44 2018 No.19431508 >>19429821 Why selling his game on steam is a sellout? It's been months and i don't see publications and "Youtube Game Journalists" hyping it out. 2hu will always be a niche even in Steam.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 14 23:44:44 2018 No.19431568 >>19431508 Touhou is a Japanese product, it shouldn't be tailored to Gaijin

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 00:12:28 2018 No.19431727 >>19429821 Sellout to who? Himself? You don't seem to know what that word means.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 00:27:42 2018 No.19431802 everyone with half a brain knows that most of these other franchises are shallow garbage that are little more than short term corporate cashgrabs and won't last

Anonymous Sun Jul 15 02:13:47 2018 No.19432237

>>19431568
>it shouldn't be tailored to Gaijin
Okay so a few big points here
1: Steam is an international market, used by people all over the world
2: Most of the sales from the Steam releases came from the Chinese anyway
3: Selling the games on Steam literally doesn't make it it less Japanese or less doujin. Its just a digital storefront.
4: In absolutely no way does making your game available for digital download make you a sellout. You could make it all the way too Japan with that leap in logic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 04:50:41 2018 No.19432764 >>19431802 How is Touhou different?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 05:10:46 2018 No.19432838 >>19431568 theres absolutely 0 localisation. both games are 1:1 ports. literally nothing was changed its not even translated holy shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 05:11:39 2018 No.19432841 >>19422997 You get nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 05:18:44 2018 No.19432862 >>19432764 It's like you didn't read a single word of what he wrote. Touhou is neither a cashgrab nor is it soulless, something the many waifu collector series' of today embody.

>>	Shararamosh Sun Jul 15 05:35:03 2018 No.19432914 There's Touhou anime. Though, it's not approved by ZUN himself. https://www.youtube.com/user/reddevils500a

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 05:39:30 2018 No.19432924 >>19432914 It's a doujin anime anon. Anything fan-made is count as doujin.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 14:51:41 2018 No.19435548 >>19422997 Hopefully Soon. I wonder what the Plot would be.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 15:11:57 2018 No.19435672 File: 42 KB, 600x338, Kantai-Collection-01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19426884 Yes on everything

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 15:24:31 2018 No.19435728 >>19435548 If you actually read the thread then you would know the answer is fucking never.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 15:33:02 2018 No.19435762 File: 1.28 MB, 848x480, hotspring.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The TH movie was pretty good though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 18:29:28 2018 No.19436836 What's ZUN stance on Fangames being sold by Nintendo and Sony?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 15 19:34:28 2018 No.19437354 >>19436836 https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Play,_Doujin!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 03:21:17 2018 No.19439384 >>19435728 He has to give, sooner or later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 03:23:35 2018 No.19439391 >>19439384 No. Fuck off. Touhou is not moeshit nor waifushit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 04:01:19 2018 No.19439531 >>19439384 Just wait for ZUN to die. His wife will sell off Touhou Project guaranteed and you will have your anime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 04:02:55 2018 No.19439538 >>19439391 anime must either be moeshit or waifushit? You must not watch a lot of anime.

Anonymous Mon Jul 16 04:09:04 2018 No.19439559

>>19439538
Most modern anime, especially those with a majority/all female cast, is just moeshit, waifushit, or self insert harem shit. If ZUN were to ever make an anime (he would never) then he would have to be present as director (impossible) or else the studio he licensed it too would make everything moe waifushit. The only way I could see him circumvent this is if he created his own studio (never ever).

Oh yeah and this hypothetical is 101% NOT HAPPENING because ZUN has said MULTIPLE TIMES that he WOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER AN OFFICIAL TOUHOU ANIME.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 04:09:28 2018 No.19439561 If anything it would be getting another cancerous soshage in this day and age

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 04:37:38 2018 No.19439650 File: 205 KB, 700x870, 1525079884544.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19439391 Touhou is waifu-bait. You have to be blind to not see it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 05:11:35 2018 No.19439807 >>19439391 it's very heavily both of those, it's just not tactless about it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 05:13:08 2018 No.19439816 File: 379 KB, 500x750, 1506558369650.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19439391 >not moeshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 08:07:47 2018 No.19440599 The only thing that has even a remote chance of being animated officially is the Three Fairies manga.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 09:18:40 2018 No.19440853 >>19440599 would be lit

Anonymous Mon Jul 16 14:06:10 2018 No.19442370

>>19439650
Fucking idiot. You're not a fan. Double idiot due to your use of MemeShitMan.
>>19439807
It is not. An all female cast isn't waifushit or moeshit. They have to be sexualized or do a bunch of unnecessary cute stuff in order for those to be true.
>>19439816
Youkai moe is not true moe. Fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 14:11:40 2018 No.19442398 >>19442370 Jeez, take it easy for a change. Let people enjoy the franchise in their own way, it's not like it's hurting you any.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 15:52:38 2018 No.19442878 >>19442398 >franchise ZUN has specifically stated that he hates that word to describe Touhou. Touhou is not a franchise. That is why there will never be official gachashit or anime. Cry harder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 17:06:00 2018 No.19443230 File: 382 KB, 768x1024, 1529805154643 (1).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19442878 It is a franchise whether he likes it or not.

Anonymous Mon Jul 16 17:17:07 2018 No.19443305

>>19443230
Wrong. A franchise requires franchising. Touhou has not done that. ZUN doesn't make royalties off of fan doujins. It is a doujin series completely. If you want examples of a doujin circle turned company then look at Type-Moon. Team Shanghai Alice is not a company. It is a hobbyist group consisting of one person, ZUN. It is not a corporate sellout. Consider seppuku for your great shame kudasai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 17:31:41 2018 No.19443381 File: 2.73 MB, 1024x576, ze.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 17:53:23 2018 No.19443476 >>19443381 ...and people say a Touhou anime doesn't exist. This is about as anime as it gets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 17:54:36 2018 No.19443488 >>19443476 It's a fanime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 17:54:41 2018 No.19443490 >>19443476 The autist that made this thread wants an OFFICIAL Touhou anime with HIGH PRODUCTION VALUES. They don't understand that non-canon fan anime is all they're gonna get. In other words: delusion

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 17:56:18 2018 No.19443497 >>19443476 it's not official

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 17:59:06 2018 No.19443513 >>19443497 Hence "as anime as it gets".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 18:00:51 2018 No.19443530 >>19443513 It's almost like you missed the entire point of this thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 18:05:37 2018 No.19443574 >>19443513 no one said it wasn't anime, just that it is not an official one

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 18:06:31 2018 No.19443581 >>19443490 >>19443381 desu this anime would be 10/10 if they made it more grimdark or either closer to the "well, shall we begin your execution?" dialogues of primary games. so far it's too happy-go-lucky and full of fanbase canons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 18:11:12 2018 No.19443614 >>19443581 You mean when Reimu fires a huge ying-yang orb at the SDM and practically flattens Remilia and Flandre and then we see them drinking tea and partying. Because that's exactly what the games portray.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 19:01:24 2018 No.19443896 What is in your opinion the best doujin anime of Touhou?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 19:12:11 2018 No.19443962 >>19423342 >make official 2hu anime >tons of fan made canon and shit ruined >community now declines since now X is no longer canon >sales decrease Sometimes a hands off approach is the best way to go about a community

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 19:16:28 2018 No.19443988 >>19443614 >flattens Remilia and Flandre But they're already flat...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 19:32:38 2018 No.19444074 >>19443962 This. Part of why there's so many fanmade content is because there's very little official content and that leaves a shitton of aspects up to interpretation. ZUN knows this and wants it to stay that way.

Anonymous Mon Jul 16 20:04:15 2018 No.19444236

>>19422997
>make 2hu official anime
>now have to deal with tons of legal shit from the company you are working with on rights to things
>content now has super strict leash on it, fan stuff snuffed out/killed
>franchise dies because some lawyers want to make a few bucks

and esseentially this >>19443962 hit the nail on the head

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 20:10:54 2018 No.19444277 >>19444236 Those quotes... but OP didn't say any of that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 20:15:36 2018 No.19444296 File: 147 KB, 650x354, 1486635327121.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19423371 >not wanting to watch Reimu and friends laze about going about everyday stuff

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 20:36:49 2018 No.19444386 >>19424477 Episode 4 when?

Anonymous Mon Jul 16 20:59:12 2018 No.19444545

>>19444236
People seem too over exaggerate how much control ZUN would lose if he was too agree too something like this. There wouldn't be a ton of legal shit too deal with because he would still be recognized as the copyright holder and agreeing too work with another company would not compromise that. ZUN is very careful when it comes too contracts and shit he signs (like with the manga for example), so unless he really fucked up and signed away his rights then there is no way he would lose any control on the series. Realistically the only thing that would be clamped down on is stuff related too whatever he worked with the other company for, so if it was an anime then whoever he made it with would probably be stingy over it being posted online and shit like that.
Overall no, agreeing too something like an anime would not compromise fanworks. We can even use Fate shit as a reference seeing as how its commercialization hasn't destroyed fan created content. Im not in favor at all of a Touhou anime, but my point is that it wouldnt cause an apocalypse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 21:03:30 2018 No.19444576 >>19444545 "Official" manga is posted online all the time and nobody seems to care. Maybe in Japan they're getting hit with lawsuits but I don't see anyone elsewhere getting in trouble.

Anonymous Mon Jul 16 21:14:29 2018 No.19444648

>>19444576
Well I never said that they needed too care. The idea that if ZUN works with a company for something that the company will issue takedowns and stuff like that on what they worked on is just something that can happen in theory. Perhaps I should have clarified it better but im not saying that things WILL get taken down if posted online in this scenario, only that it is a possibility.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 16 23:49:05 2018 No.19445425 >>19444545 ZUN has made it very clear that he would never greenlight an official anime. Entertaining the notion is useless. Please stop embarrassing yourself in a thread that should have been over in 10 posts.

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 03:12:28 2018 No.19446347

>>19445425
Read the whole thing friend.
>Im not in favor at all of a Touhou anime, but my point is that it wouldnt cause an apocalypse.
Im hardly even entertaining the notion and I know ZUN would never allow it. Im trying too explain how it wouldn't be a disaster for fanworks if it were too happen for some reason. In order too explain it I needed too work with the assumption it could happen no matter how much of an impossibility it is. Dont see how im "embarrassing myself" here when im merely trying to explain something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 17 05:32:32 2018 No.19446779 >>19422997 Soon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 17 08:23:25 2018 No.19447481 Anime is for faggots

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 17 14:02:04 2018 No.19449253 >>19446779 Fucking retard. Read the thread. >>19447481 This.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 17 17:19:44 2018 No.19450292 >>19447481 This but unironically.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 00:53:43 2018 No.19452721 >>19435762 I need more kitty booty.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 01:03:49 2018 No.19452760 >>19444386 BUY THE DVDS ANON They seem to release episodes every 4 years. That means we're 2 years away from episode four, 2 years away from figuring out just what the "HELL" is suika planning and how Yukari plays into this whole thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 03:07:18 2018 No.19453167 Remember what happened to Kemono Friends? That is what happens when you let greedy corporations get their hands on your IP.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 04:51:46 2018 No.19453530 >>19423386 Touhou already has copious amounts of official merchandise. I have ten figures of Marisa.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 04:53:04 2018 No.19453534

>>19439559
>Most modern anime, especially those with a majority/all female cast, is just moeshit, waifushit, or self insert harem shit.
> moe waifushit
None of these things exist, and it says a lot about /jp/ that this kind of garbage can sit here for two days and not get called out by anyone. People here don't know shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 04:54:34 2018 No.19453537 >>19447481 >>19449253 >>19450292 Is there even any difference between /jp/ and some random reddit thread?

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 05:06:42 2018 No.19453576

>>19453167
Not comparable. As explained in >>19444545 ZUN is the rights holder of everything Touhou. Kemono Friends was never owned by Tatsuki, the director of the anime who's firing by Kadokawa started that whole fiasco. Effectively how it works is that as the copyright holder ZUN wouldnt need too worry about shit like that so long as he is careful with what he signs and so far he has proven that he is. ZUN would never agree too something that would compromise his rights over the series.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 09:21:38 2018 No.19454702 >>19443962 ZUN himself ruins fanon with almost every new piece of information about some character. That's not why an anime would be bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 09:23:27 2018 No.19454718 >>19443581 You've been misled by an image. While Reimu is certainly driven in the games, most of her dialogue, and most characters' dialogue in the games PERIOD is fucking bizarre, almost insane, and comedic.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 09:33:08 2018 No.19454788
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>>19443305
>franchise
>a general title or concept used for creating or marketing a series of products, typically films or television shows.
Pic related. Every 東方 is part of the 東方Project brand and franchise. I wouldn't say you're exactly wrong by saying it "requires franchising" to be a franchise, but at the same time it's not like these are not a series of multimedia products all under the same moniker, done for accessibility, recognizably, and at this point, marketing. You could say that since not everything bears the brand it's not a franchise, but I'd almost say that proves the concept of the franchise even further in that, something like Danmaku Amanojaku ~ Impossible Spell Card is still recognizable as official Touhou material even without the title.

I guess if the term offended you you could stick with the word "series". I really think it's semantics and don't see the issue.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 13:40:24 2018 No.19456292 >>19454702 >ZUN himself ruins fanon You mean improves.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 13:54:58 2018 No.19456373

>>19453530
Those are not from Team Shanghai Alice. Not official. I bet you're gonna tell me that doujin cds and books are also official merchandise too.
>>19453534
Give me 1 (ONE) modern anime with a majority female cast that isn't waifushit or moeshit. Oh, you can't, because it's fucking impossible. Reminder that moe means cute/endearing so if the character even has ONE instance of doing something fanservicey or sexual then you're fucked. Kill yourself.
>>19454788
>term offended me
It offends ZUN, retard. He likes to call it a passion project and a series. He has made it clear that Touhou is NOT a corporate series. He made it clear that he hates that word. Anyway, those are all fucking indie games from one person, from one "company". You don't seem to understand that most doujin circles are not companies, however. Team Shanghai Alice is not a Type-Moon situation. It is still a hobby circle and nothing more. It has not franchised. There is no marketing for Touhou besides Comiket circle listings / Reitaisai listings. Marketing done by Touhou-based doujin circles does not apply to TSA. Bottom line is that TSA is not a company. ZUN has said that he wouldn't care if people stopped buying his games one day. He said he would keep making them even if that happened. All of his games are recognizable as Touhou BECAUSE TEAM SHANGHAI ALICE ONLY MAKES FUCKING TOUHOU GAMES! Are you mentally retarded? You cannot sell out to yourself. You can't franchise out to yourself. You're being a idiot. No one has made official Touhou content but ZUN and the guest artists/circles he chooses. TSA has not officially licensed the Touhou "brand" (according to you) to anybody. At the end of the day, Touhou is ZUN's profitable hobby and nothing else.

Oh yeah and cry harder that there will never be an official anime for as long as ZUN's will is alive.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 16:13:53 2018 No.19457070

>>19456373
>Those are not from Team Shanghai Alice. Not official. I bet you're gonna tell me that doujin cds and books are also official merchandise too.
They are official because they are officially approved and commercially distributed merchandise produced under license, no different from merchandise produced for anime. You can buy Touhou figures, mugs, office supplies and wall scrolls from Amiami or any number of other places.

>Give me 1 (ONE) modern anime with a majority female cast that isn't waifushit or moeshit.
Waifushit and moeshit do not exist.

>Reminder that moe means cute/endearing
No, that's what kawaii means.

The absolute fucking state of /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 16:50:18 2018 No.19457210 yuyu

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 16:52:34 2018 No.19457218 >>19457210 ko

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:29:22 2018 No.19457368 >>19424003 Did you come from four years ago? Nowadays Azur Lane is the big boatgirls thing it seems.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:39:11 2018 No.19457408

>>19457070
>waifu and moeshit do not exist
you are baiting hard
>that's what kawaii means
Moe does mean endearing you fucking idiot. What else would it mean?
>amiami
Those keychains and wallscrolls are from other Doujin circles, not TSA you tard. Next thing you're gonna tell me that fumos are official merchandise. They're not.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:48:26 2018 No.19457450

>>19457408
>you are baiting hard
I am stating a fact and you have no idea what baiting even is.

>Moe does mean endearing you fucking idiot. What else would it mean?
It means a feeling you have towards a character which may be but is not necessarily because of cuteness.

>Those keychains and wallscrolls are from other Doujin circles, not TSA you tard.
Are Good Smile Company and Max Factory doujin circles too? Is this company called Surfer's Paradise a doujin circle:
http://slist.amiami.com/top/search/list?s_maker_id=289&pagemax=40

TSA does not have to make its own merchandise any more than Kyoto Animation or Kadokawa has to make its own merchandise. That shit is done by companies that specialize in producing merchandise.

The absolute fucking state of /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:54:08 2018 No.19457479 >>19457450 >the absolute state this is like the millionth time you said this fuck off with your crossboarder "memes" >moe it's endearing because it's cute, idiot >good smile company and others those are licensed

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:01:25 2018 No.19457523

>>19457479
>this is like the millionth time you said this
Because it needs to be said.

>fuck off with your crossboarder "memes"
Fuck off newfag. This isn't reddit.

>it's endearing because it's cute, idiot
Read what I said:
>It means a feeling you have towards a character which may be but is not necessarily because of cuteness.
>may be but is not necessarily

>those are licensed
Which is exactly what I fucking said from the start.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:05:33 2018 No.19457537 File: 37 KB, 208x212, 1513808747071.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why are there so many crossboarders recently anyways?

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:09:03 2018 No.19457546

>>19457523
>newfag
"the absolute state of" did not originate on this board. how about YOU take your filthy memes back to wherever you came from (reddit).
>endearing
modern moe is all about cute you tardo, the other meanings are seldom used
>licensed
but not official

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:10:25 2018 No.19457557 >>19457537 /bant/ and /qa/ spilling over probably most likely /pol/ as well

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:12:06 2018 No.19457564 >>19457479 Well maybe ZUN can "license" a Touhou anime and then everybody will be happy.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:12:47 2018 No.19457567

>>19457546
>"the absolute state of" did not originate on this board.
/jp/ is not a subreddit. It is a board on 4chan.

>how about YOU take your filthy memes back to wherever you came from (reddit).
Stop projecting, redditor.

>modern moe is all about cute you tardo, the other meanings are seldom used
Moe is a feeling you have towards a character that __MAY__ be a result of cuteness. It does not HAVE TO BE. Moe does not mean cute. You are clueless.

>but not official
The fuck are you talking about? You cannot unofficially license Touhou. Licensing is by definition official. GSC and other companies are producing official merchandise just like they are producing official Madoka and Yuru Camp merchandise.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:13:08 2018 No.19457568 >>19457546 >"the absolute state of" did not originate on this board. Neither did "moeshit" or "waifushit", but here you are.

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Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:19:44 2018 No.19457602

>>19457564
ZUN has made it clear about his feelings on anime. Read the thread.
>>19457567
>reddit
stop talking about that shit
boards don't share culture you idiot
learn before posting
>licensing
nendo reimu, marisa, and remilia remilia appeared on a game for the psp, those are not official appearances at all
nendos and all other licensed shit is not official
>>19457568
/jp/ is an offshoot of /a/ faggot
moeshit moeshit moeshit
you can't escape it
>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=moeshit&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post
>2008
the board was created in 2008 and moeshit was still used even then
fuck off back to wherever you came from

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:24:22 2018 No.19457625

>>19457602
>stop talking about that shit
I will as soon as you stop acting like a redditor.

>boards don't share culture you idiot
The site does, and almost everyone uses more than one board.

>nendo reimu, marisa, and remilia remilia appeared on a game for the psp, those are not official appearances at all
They are not canonically official, and that is not what we are talking about. Touhou merchandise is official Touhou merchandise.

>the board was created in 2008 and moeshit was still used even then
By retards. Just like today.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:31:30 2018 No.19457677

>>19457625
>board culture
make a fucking OP with "the absolute state of" in your post and everyone will respond with disdain and meido will delete your abhorrent post. the fact that you are defending crossboard memes shows how fucking retarded you are. stay out of /jp/ forever.
>merchandise
ZUN makes small royalties from licensing
he does not control what gets made or sold
he does not get all the money
it has nothing to do with TSA
not official.
>moeshit
moving your goal from moeshit is not board culture to moeshit is retarded? pathetic. get out now you newfag. moeshit has always been a term here and your distaste for it yet your defense of "shared board culture" and crossboarder memes like "the absolute state of" shows your childish incoherence. fuck off from /jp/.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:34:56 2018 No.19457699

>>19457602
>/jp/ is an offshoot of /a/ faggot
/a/ has been a target of crossboard complaints for as long as crossboarding has been a term.

>the board was created in 2008 and moeshit was still used even then
By three people in a whole year. Wow. Great argument that it's a split-era meme.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:35:57 2018 No.19457704

>>19457677
We still aren't on reddit. If you can't deal with how 4chan works then maybe you should move on.

>he does not control what gets made or sold
He owns all rights to Touhou and can give and revoke them as he pleases.

>it has nothing to do with TSA
>not official.
Do you think fucking Shaft animators make Madoka figures at their desks or something? Merchandise is handled by specialist merchandise companies. Touhou is no different from Madoka. If Touhou's merchandise isn't official then neither is Madoka's.

>moving your goal from moeshit is not board culture to moeshit is retarded?
I never said anything about it not being board culture.

>get out now you newfag
Nice projection newfag.

>moeshit has always been a term here
Yeah, for retards.

>fuck off from /jp/.
You first, redditor.

The absolute fucking state of /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:36:02 2018 No.19457705 >>19457677 >he does not control what gets made or sold Yes, he does. You're retarded.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:41:44 2018 No.19457738
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>>19457537
Galactus is displeased with Richard's species fragmentary attempts at self preservation...it insults the being of many forms to know a metahuman was their best effort.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:46:15 2018 No.19457757 >>19457699 >three people look at 2009-(now) you fucking cretin you might be samefagging too as i cant imagine defending a crossboarder fuck off >>19457704 >the absolute state fuck off with your crossboard bait >>19457705 Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:49:02 2018 No.19457773 >>19457757 >fuck off with your crossboard bait Fuck off with your reddit shit and not knowing what words mean.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:51:15 2018 No.19457785 Stop replying to the /vg/ troll already.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:52:33 2018 No.19457794 [DELETED]

>>19457773
The bottom line is "the absolute state off" should not be used here as it is a filthy crossboard "meme". The fact that you keep on using it to incite some reaction out of me is called baiting. You're still doing it. Fuck off back to where you came from.
>>19457785
This. Fuck crossboarders.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:54:14 2018 No.19457811 >>19457794 >The bottom line is "the absolute state off" should not be used here as it is a filthy crossboard "meme". The absolute state of /jp/. >This. Fuck crossboarders. He's obviously talking about you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:57:20 2018 No.19457825 >>19457811 It's you. You are creating alternate posts to bait me. Fuck off. It's not funny. No one on /jp/ would support a crossboarder as heinous as you. Get out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:58:24 2018 No.19457829 >>19457825 You don't even know what bait is. The absolute state of you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:59:28 2018 No.19457838 fun fact: the "crossboarder" meme was first introduced to /jp/ by crossboarders

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:00:20 2018 No.19457844 >>19457757 >Fuck off. All commercial merchandise must be approved by Team Shanghai Alice, or they can't produce it. You're an idiot.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:03:24 2018 No.19457861 [DELETED]

>>19457829
>>19457838
"Crossboarder" isn't a meme you samefag. It's a term that describes retards who try to import shit that doesn't belong here. No one here likes crossboarding, only the crossboarders themselves.
>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=crossboard&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post
>2008

Fucking get out you samefag crossboarder.

>>19457844
There will never be an official anime. Cry.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:06:19 2018 No.19457877 [DELETED]

>>19457861
Ok but seriously now, you really need to fuck off and stop pretending to be some elite oldfag when you buy into a garbage meme like moeshit, don't know what moe means, and don't understand how merchandising works. You clearly know jack shit and may as well have wandered in from /v/ a few days ago.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:08:56 2018 No.19457891 [DELETED]

>>19457877
Never have I claimed I was an "oldfag" you retard. Moeshit was always despised here as well as crossboarding and you claimed they weren't. Not only were you wrong twice but the fact that you say I'm from /v/ is some hard projecting. Get the fuck off of /jp/ you crossboarding faggot. No one wants your crossboard faggotry here.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:10:29 2018 No.19457898 [DELETED]

>>19457891
Moeshit has never existed.

>Not only were you wrong twice but the fact that you say I'm from /v/ is some hard projecting
No, I made it very clear why I said that.

>Get the fuck off of /jp/ you crossboarding faggot. No one wants your crossboard faggotry here.
The irony.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:13:06 2018 No.19457918 [DELETED]

>>19457898
Calling it ironic even though you were the one who claimed the terms moeshit and crossboarding never existed on /jp/ even though they were both regularly used since the board's inception in 2008? Fuck off. Moeshit and crossboarding are two of the three banes of this board. Get the fuck out you refugee. Go back to where you came from.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:14:04 2018 No.19457924 [DELETED]

>>19457861
>"Crossboarder" isn't a meme you samefag.
Yes, it is, and a shitty one. "Crossboard" was an adjective that people sometimes used on and off throughout the years, specifically to refer to threads that specifically referenced other boards. "Crossboarder" as a term wasn't used until 2011.

>>19457861
>There will never be an official anime.
I don't really care whether or not there is an official anime as long as you accept that your claim in >>19457677 was batshit retarded.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:14:19 2018 No.19457927 [DELETED]

>>19457918
I said that moeshit does not exist. I never said anything about whether or not the term has existed on /jp/. Nor did I say anything about whether or not the term crossboarder has existed on /jp/.

>Moeshit and crossboarding are two of the three banes of this board.
Moeshit doesn't exist.

>Go back to where you came from.
See >>19457877

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:17:13 2018 No.19457944 [DELETED]

>>19457918
>they were both regularly used since the board's inception in 2008
Being used three times in a year is not "regular usage." Furthermore, the term "crossboard" then was used to refer to activity like explicitly occurred across boards, like crossboard linking (>>363359) and OPs explicitly referencing other boards (>>1749804, >>2644319), not the retarded way that self-appointed board police used it starting 2011.

Bonus 2009 posts:
>Keep your /a/ shit in /a/.
>Reported for meta and crossboard faggotry.
>Go back to //a/ and take athens with you.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:18:51 2018 No.19457953 [DELETED]

>>19457924
"Crossboarder" is just a fucking extension of "crossboard". It's not a meme and has been used to tell faggots from /a/ and /v/ to fuck off from /jp/ forever. "Get out of /jp/" is an extension of this anti-crossboard mentality you retard. No one here likes crossboarders. "Stupid crossboard faggot" and "Stupid crossboarder faggot" mean the same thing. And as for the merchandising, I firmly stand with ZUN and accept that Touhou is not a frachise.
>>19457927
"Moeshit" doesn't mean what you think it means faggot. Stop being autistic. It does not represent the traditional meaning of "moe", obviously. Get the fuck out you crossboarding scum.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:21:31 2018 No.19457973 >>19457944 It wasn't explicity used for board linking. There are several instances where crossboard is used to refer to shit-tier /a/ and /v/ posts. "Get out of /jp/" is a result of this attack against /a/ and /v/ crossboarders.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:22:08 2018 No.19457977 [DELETED]

>>19457953
Moeshit doesn't mean anything. It isn't anything. It doesn't exist. It's something that meme-spouting retards say.

>Get the fuck out you crossboarding scum
[ironing intensifies]

If you're going to roleplay the /jp/ gatekeeper you should at least have some basic idea of what the fuck you're talking about.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:23:02 2018 No.19457982

Keep in mind that what >>19457704 and >>19457705 mean by control is the permission side of things. Not creative control (at least I would hope so). This obviously only applies too actual companies making merch though. Doujin groups obviously dont play by the same rules and ZUN makes no royalties off of merch that they make.

Though technically >>19457677 is right in saying ZUN merely gave the OK for certain companies too make Touhou merch but in no way makes them "official". ZUN has had zero involvement in the creation of any merch that we know of aside from stuff that has come with print works (probably). Effectively when it comes too more high profile merch producers its basically ZUN extending too them the same permissions as doujin groups with the added ability too actually sell their stuff commercially. Permission he can of course revoke at any time.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:23:48 2018 No.19457984 [DELETED]

>>19457953
>"Crossboarder" is just a fucking extension of "crossboard"
An innovation from 2011 promulgated by self-appointed retarded board police.
>crossboard faggot
This phrase was not used until 2012. Nobody in the early years used "crossboard" the way that you are using it now. I've been pointing this out since 2011.

>"Get out of /jp/" is an extension of this anti-crossboard mentality you retard.
The fact that you put it this way instead of the other way around is a sign that you're a new, dumb, retarded faggot talking about shit he wasn't around for.

>There are several instances where crossboard is used to refer to shit-tier /a/ and /v/ posts.
Find "several instances" of this before 2010, you revisionist retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:23:51 2018 No.19457985 >>19457973 Are you saying /jp/ isn't filled with shitposts to the brim? We might be better than /v/ but that still doesn't mean much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:26:13 2018 No.19457997 >>19457982 Touhou merchandise is no different from any other merchandise. Nobody goes around saying that my Love Live figure is not official.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:28:44 2018 No.19458007 [DELETED]

>>19457977
>[ironing intensifies]
Okay now this seals the deal. Fuck off back to whatever shithole board or website you came from. No one likes moeshit or crossboarders here. Fuck off.
>>19457984
/jp/ has always been hostile to other boards so trying to defend any mentality of crossboard tolerance is fucking retarded. /jp/ is a closed country. Get out of /jp/.
>>19457985
/jp/ shitposts are okay as long as they are /jp/ shitposts, not /a/ shitposts or /v/ shitposts. Certainly not crossboard memes either
>>19457997
The difference is that Love Live is backed by a huge company with an iron grip on their merchandise. Comparing that to the one man doujin circle that is TSA is plain retarded.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:30:08 2018 No.19458010 [DELETED]

>>19458007
>Get out of /jp/.
I was here first.
>/jp/ is a closed country.
So fuck off already.

>/jp/ has always been hostile to other boards so trying to defend any mentality of crossboard tolerance is fucking retarded.
Your noble goals, whatever they may be, do not give you the right to say wrong and retarded shit about /jp/ history. "Crossboarder" is a meme imported from /a/. And so is "moeshit." Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:31:11 2018 No.19458016 >>19458007 Your newfaggotry is showing, anon. I suggest you lurk more before making such uninformed posts.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:31:15 2018 No.19458017 [DELETED]

>>19458007
>Okay now this seals the deal. Fuck off back to whatever shithole board or website you came from. No one likes moeshit or crossboarders here. Fuck off.
Moeshit still doesn't exist and you're still a fucking clueless poseur who has no business pretending to be /jp/'s gatekeeper.

>The difference is that Love Live is backed by a huge company with an iron grip on their merchandise. Comparing that to the one man doujin circle that is TSA is plain retarded.
ZUN has all the rights to Touhou. He grants permission for companies to produce Touhou merchandise. No different from anyone else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:33:38 2018 No.19458027 How hard is it to not reply to an obvious troll?

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:35:18 2018 No.19458033

>>19457997
Well its like I said ZUN gives permission for non doujin groups too make things and sell them commercially. Saying that this makes it "official" is one hell of a stretch. Stuff like Fumo's are merely made by a company that asked for ZUN's permission to do so. ZUN has 0 involvement in whats actually made and for that matter how its made. He does not call the shots on any of this. He can no doubt make requests but I really doubt he actually cares that much about that kind of thing. If ZUN dictated what was made by these companies we would have like 5 times the amount of Mamizou merch by now.

>>19458017
>ZUN has all the rights to Touhou. He grants permission for companies to produce Touhou merchandise.
Absolutely correct. The only point im trying too make is that this does not make them official.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:35:38 2018 No.19458035 [DELETED]

>>19458010
>i was here first
Now you're playing that "fake oldfag" that you accused me of, even though you denied the usage of moeshit and crossboard/crossboarder and got proved wrong. Fuck off back to the trashcan. Calling out crossboarders isn't a meme and your samefagging ass can bet that most people here on this board agree with me. /jp/ has always hated out-of-board faggots no matter what the terminology. Get out of /jp/, crossboarder, whatever. Fuck off alien.
>>19458016
Nice non-argument crossboarder scum.
>>19458017
Samefagging like this should be tiring for you yet you're still at it. The bottom line is that moeshit and crossboarding was always hated here. Fuck off.
>>19458027
I have to tell the crossboarder samefag to fuck off. Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:35:43 2018 No.19458037 >>19458027 Leave people like that alone and people will eventually believe what they say. There's no shortage of people like him in /jp/. It's also likely nobody here was doing anything useful with their time anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:36:47 2018 No.19458044 >>19458027 Judging by the shitflinging going on, very hard.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:38:00 2018 No.19458050 [DELETED]

>>19458035
>even though you denied the usage of moeshit and crossboard/crossboarder and got proved wrong.
You haven't proven shit. I gave you the opportunity to do so in >>19457984 and you responded with more shitposting so I'll do it again: "Find "several instances" of this before 2010, you revisionist retard." It's a post that blows all your claims dead out of the water and you haven't responded to a single ponit in it.

>Now you're playing that "fake oldfag" that you accused me of,
No, the other guy called you a fake oldfag, even then you are one. Otherwise you wouldn't have gotten the terminology so dead completely fucking wrong. The one defending /a/ memes unto death is you.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:38:26 2018 No.19458051

>>19458033
>Saying that this makes it "official" is one hell of a stretch.
It is, once again, exactly the same as anything else. Merchandise is normally made this way. Publishers and studios do not have internal teams that make merchandise. They are made by outside companies under license such as Good Smile Company.

>>19458035
I haven't samefagged anywhere you dumbshit.

>The bottom line is that moeshit and crossboarding was always hated here.
Why the FUCK do you keep repeating this over and over again? How many times do I have to tell you: moeshit does not exist.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:40:02 2018 No.19458058 [DELETED]

>>19458017
It's not official.
>>19458050
You just outed yourself for attacking me in several different posts like the samefag you are. You can't post within the span of a minute like that. The reality is that it's just me and your three different personas. Fuck off from /jp/ you schizo crossboard refugee.
>the other guy
Fuck off with your samefaggotry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:40:55 2018 No.19458064 >>19458058 >It's not official. Holy fucking shit. I have explained this so many times now.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:42:27 2018 No.19458070 [DELETED]

>>19458058
>You just outed yourself for attacking me in several different posts like the samefag you are. You can't post within the span of a minute like that.
I can post every thirty seconds, but even if we were the same person - which we are not - you would still be wrong.

You are rabidly shitposting in this thread, defending /a/ memes unto death under some sort of delusion that you are "defending /jp/" in some way. You have been proven factually wrong about half your claims, and in response you ignore facts and resort to crass shitposting. You're the very picture of why /jp/ went to shit around the time people starting spamming "crossboarder" at everyone they didn't like.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:44:08 2018 No.19458080 >>19458070 >we Fuck off. Everyone has always hated crossboarders and moeshit you schizo. Nothing will change that. Get out of my country.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:45:14 2018 No.19458082 [DELETED]

>>19458080
FACT: "Crossboarder" was introduced to /jp/ in 2011 by retarded shitposting faggots playing board police much like yourself.
FACT: Moeshit is an /a/ meme, and the fact that three people used it in a single year does not indicate that it was used "regularly" in /jp/.

>Get out of my country.
It's not your country. You don't know the first thing about it. Take your retarded /a/ memes back to /a/.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:46:53 2018 No.19458087

>>19458051
This is clearly something that is simply a matter of perspective. Perhaps the key thing here is whether or not its marketed as such. Some big franchise will have merch made with the specific intention of selling it as something official. This is obviously not ZUN's intention. He does not have stuff made for the specific intention of selling it officially. The intent how the made product is too be sold should be considered.
Like I said though the way that ZUN gives his permission for stuff like this is basically treating a company making things the same as a doujin group with the added benefit of selling commercially. Since the permissions he gives are effectively the same we cant also say that doujin merch is official too because they have the same permission to do things as a larger company minus being able too sell commercially (though ZUN has become more lenient on doujin's groups doing this lately).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:48:14 2018 No.19458090 >>19458082 FACT: Crossboard and Crossboarder are the same thing FACT: GET OUT OF /jp/ is directed at crossboarders FACT: Moeshit has been used a lot more in 2009-2018 and limiting to only 2008 is retarded. Sankoku. Refugees not welcome.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:49:36 2018 No.19458099 [DELETED]

>>19458090
>FACT: Crossboard and Crossboarder are the same thing
Not a single usage predating 2010 is used this way.
>FACT: Moeshit has been used a lot more in 2009-2018
Yes, by /a/, and faggots importing their shit memes from /a/, such as yourself.

>Sankoku. Refugees not welcome.
It's "sakoku." You're the refugee.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:50:24 2018 No.19458104 >>19458087 Touhou merchandise is official Touhou merchandise no different from any other official merchandise. Holy shit what is so hard to understand about this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:51:15 2018 No.19458111 >>19458099 Kill yourself out of /jp/ you moeshit loving crossboarder faggot. Moeshit moeshit moeshit moeshit moeshit moeshit moeshit moeshit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:51:51 2018 No.19458117 >>19458104 As someone not having argued with you previously, do you consider the appearances of Marisa and Reimu in games like Lord of Vermillion, Weiss Schwarz, or Nendoroid Generations to be "official appearances"?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:53:35 2018 No.19458122 >>19458104 You might be mentally challenged. Touhou isn't a franchise and licensed merchandise and appearances aren't official.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:55:20 2018 No.19458128

>>19458117
Who cares. We are talking about merchandise. Touhou merchandise works the same way as any other merchandise and is made by the same companies.

>>19458122
It is a franchise and its merchandising works the same way as everyone else's. Licensed merchandise is by definition official.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:57:32 2018 No.19458133 >>19458128 The fact that you talk about Team Shanghai Alice as a company is kind of gross. Disgusting post. Not official.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:58:25 2018 No.19458139

>>19458104
It actually is a bit different though because ZUN is basically giving company's permission too make unofficial products. Just like how he gives doujin groups the same exact permission to make unofficial products.
What is the difference between a Fumo and a set of plushies made by a doujin group? What about being made by a big company suddenly makes it "official" aside from also being sold commercially? And before you say "exactly because its sold commercially", so are many fangames. Yet those are not official.
The permission of what doujin groups and company's can make are effectively the same. What makes the company's so special?

In general, I thought it was pretty much agreed upon that only stuff ZUN has direct involvement in is official.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:01:48 2018 No.19458153

>>19458133
Touhou has official games, official music+story CDs, official manga and official books. And official merchandise.

>>19458139
They are official Touhou products. Touhou does not work any differently from anything else. Everyone releases merchandise this way. How are you not getting this?

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:04:21 2018 No.19458167

>>19458128
The way that Touhou merchandise is released is not the same. In the case of major anime series, figures are explicitly commissioned by the will of the production committee. For Touhou, figure makers apply for permission and either receive it or don't. But getting this permission doesn't make them "official" any more than Touhou Sky Arena is "official" because Area-ZERO applied for, and received permission to do distribution of their game through commercial channels.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:05:10 2018 No.19458174

>>19458153
Official merchandise? Point to me on ZUN's website or on TSA's booths on Reitaisai or Comiket where you can buy those figures and wall scrolls. You can't. ZUN doesn't sell them. He sells all the other official stuff though. You're pretty retarded.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:07:31 2018 No.19458187

>>19458167
Figurs are made under license by whoever wants to make them.

>But getting this permission doesn't make them "official"
Yes it does.

>>19458174
They are sold on Amiami and similar shops just like all other merchandise for all other series. The fucking creators do not have to sell them personally. Jesus fucking christ.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:09:07 2018 No.19458197

>>19458153
Touhou's mere existence is not comparable too anything else, and the way ZUN runs things is not comparable too anyone else. Now, answer my question: ZUN effectively gives the same permissions too company's who want too make things as he does too doujin groups. Why does being made by a company suddenly make it "official"? Also something that hasnt been brought up yet is that ZUN probably never approached any company's making stuff like plushies and figures, they approached him. That is another key difference. Its basically along the lines of "Hey we love Touhou and would like too make some shit despite not being a doujin group, is that cool" and ZUN saying "Sure".

>>19458187
It does not make them official. Like I said, ZUN gives the same exact permission too doujin groups. Why arent those official then?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:09:35 2018 No.19458199 >>19458187 You don't know the difference between licensed and official so I'm just gonna stop replying to you for being fucking dense.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:10:24 2018 No.19458205

>>19458187
>Yes it does.
No, it doesn't. If the publisher of a doujin game or a doujin series asked ZUN if he could release his work on Steam or Amazon (which he wouldn't, but he could), that permission would not render the work "official" just because ZUN permitted it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:11:11 2018 No.19458210

>>19458197
Touhou merchandise works the same way as any other merchandise. It is just as official as any other merchandise. It is made and sold the same way through the same channels by the same companies.

>>19458199
Licensed merchandise is by definition official.

>>19458205
Yes it does.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:13:58 2018 No.19458218

>>19458210
>Yes it does.
If all they did was ask for permission and receive it, their work is not any more "licensed" than that of any other derivative work released under the license ZUN granted to all derivative work creators without first asking him.

The act of applying for an exception and receiving it is not even "licensing."

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:14:59 2018 No.19458220

>>19458210
The Super Mario Bros. Super Show isn't official in the same way Touhou wallscrolls and Nendoroids aren't official. Companies that sell things with a licensed name attached don't make said product official. Licensed and official are not synonyms. Please get this through your one brain cell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:16:37 2018 No.19458226 >>19458218 If Touhou merchandise is not official then neither is anyone else's. They work exactly the same way. >>19458220 They aren't official? Uh oh, better tell Amiami they are selling pirated goods.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:17:53 2018 No.19458228 File: 24 KB, 250x250, kuso thread award.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wow!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:20:07 2018 No.19458235 >>19458226 And you still demonstrate your lack of understanding on what licensing is. Bravo.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:20:51 2018 No.19458240

>>19458210
Ive already explained why Touhou is a different case from a normal company. And you still have not answered my question.
Also
"Licensing means renting or leasing of an intangible asset. It is a process of creating and managing contracts between the owner of a brand and a company or individual who wants to use the brand in association with a product, for an agreed period of time, within an agreed territory."
Licensing =/= official.

>>19458226
They literally do not. Do you understand how doujin culture even functions?

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:21:44 2018 No.19458243

>>19458226
>If Touhou merchandise is not official then neither is anyone else's. They work exactly the same way.
Official figures for other series are commissioned by the IP holder. ZUN does not commission anything. This is a substantive difference in the way that a figure line is started even if the final physical product is distributed the same way.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:23:16 2018 No.19458248

>>19458235
They are licensed official merchandise.

>>19458240
Touhou merchandise works the same way as any other merchandise. Touhou merchandise is official.

>>19458243
They are made under license. There are countless companies cranking out figures even many years after a series has stopped being relevant. And merchandise does not mean just figures.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:26:47 2018 No.19458259

>>19458248
>They are made under license.
In the sense that a license gives someone the right to do something, yes. But by that definition all derivative work is licensed based on the universal license that ZUN has issued for work distributed through non-commercial channels.

If it has not been commissioned by the rights holder it's not official.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:28:37 2018 No.19458262 >>19458248 Licensed does not go hand in hand with official what is so hard for your brain to understand?

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:30:48 2018 No.19458271

>>19458259
>If it has not been commissioned by the rights holder it's not official.
It is, and it's no different from any other series. My Love Live and Steins;Gate figures are just as official as my Touhou figures.

>>19458262
Licensed is by definition official. Touhou merchandise is official. What is so hard for your brain to understand?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:31:44 2018 No.19458278 >>19458271 >My Love Live and Steins;Gate figures are just as official as my Touhou figures. They are official because they were commissioned by whatever entity controls the IP for Love Live and Steins;Gate. Your Touhou Project figures were not.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:32:18 2018 No.19458282

>>19458248
Let me put it bluntly: Only stuff ZUN is directly involved with and what he considers too be his works are official Touhou material.

>They are licensed official merchandise.
Ill ask again: Why would something made by a company be considered official when the permissions they have are basically the same as what doujin circles have?

>Touhou merchandise works the same way as any other merchandise. Touhou merchandise is official.
These H doujins I have are considered merchandise by definition. Guess that makes them official huh?

>They are made under license.
Which again:
"Licensing means renting or leasing of an intangible asset. It is a process of creating and managing contracts between the owner of a brand and a company or individual who wants to use the brand in association with a product, for an agreed period of time, within an agreed territory."
In no way means official.

Literally just listen too >>19458243 and >>19458259.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:34:43 2018 No.19458292

>>19458278
Figures are not commissioned, they are produced under license. Why do you keep fucking repeating the same shit over and over again?

>>19458282
Touhou merchandise is official, no different from any other merchandise.

>These H doujins I have are considered merchandise by definition. Guess that makes them official huh?
They are not the same thing and you are just trying to muddy the waters by introducing irrelevant factors into this.

>In no way means official.
Yes it does. Touhou merchandise is official.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:36:53 2018 No.19458300

>>19458292
>Figures are not commissioned, they are produced under license.
The production committee commissions the figure maker to produce figures under license.

>Why do you keep fucking repeating the same shit over and over again?
I wonder.

>They are not the same thing and you are just trying to muddy the waters by introducing irrelevant factors into this.
They are licensed under the license that ZUN has given all non-commercial doujin producers.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:40:21 2018 No.19458315

>>19458300
And the production committee gathers for years and years after something has ended just so they can commission figures every now and then? Why would anyone do this when they can just sit on their asses and have manufacturers make figures on their own and give the copyright owners a share of the money?

>They are licensed under the license that ZUN has given all non-commercial doujin producers.
They are the same as any other merchandise for any other series.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:46:33 2018 No.19458335

>>19458315
>And the production committee gathers for years and years after something has ended just so they can commission figures every now and then?
The entire committee doesn't need to gather to authorize every single thing the production committee does, there's presumably someone who has management authority over merchandise who does have to be contacted anytime someone wants to release a new figure relating to the property.

>Why would anyone do this when they can just sit on their asses and have manufacturers make figures on their own and give the copyright owners a share of the money?
A manufacturer can't unilaterally decide to make a figure just because it's agreed that X% of proceeds go to the copyright owner.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:47:56 2018 No.19458342

>>19458292

Still dodging my question it seems.

>Figures are not commissioned
They literally are though with very few exceptions.

>They are not the same thing
They 100% are. The definition of merchandise is a good too be bought or sold

>Yes it does. Touhou merchandise is official.
The only official merchandise is stuff like print works and games. Anything ZUN himself has direct involvement in.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:52:14 2018 No.19458357

>>19458335
>who does have to be contacted anytime someone wants to release a new figure relating to the property.
So exactly what I was just talking about then. The manufacturers approach the owner, not the other way around.

>A manufacturer can't unilaterally decide to make a figure
No shit.

>>19458342
>Still dodging my question it seems.
No I'm not.

>They literally are though with very few exceptions.
They aren't and it wouldn't make any sense for them to be.

>They 100% are.
They aren't.

>The definition of merchandise is a good too be bought or sold
Too bad this isn't the definition of doujin works.

>The only official merchandise is stuff like print works and games. Anything ZUN himself has direct involvement in.
So we're back to fucking nothing being official. None of my figures are official. The manga or novel author or anime script writer did not fucking personally sculpt them. Not official. Imagine being this retarded.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:07:15 2018 No.19458427

>>19458357
>No I'm not.
Then answer: Why would something made by a company be considered official when the permissions they have are basically the same as what doujin circles have?

>They aren't and it wouldn't make any sense for them to be.
How do you figure?

>They aren't.
They are, becuase the definition of merchandise is a good too be bought or sold.

>Too bad this isn't the definition of doujin works
So youre actually trying too tell me doujin goods are not made too be bought and sold?

>So we're back to fucking nothing being official. None of my figures are official. The manga or novel author or anime script writer did not fucking personally sculpt them. Not official. Imagine being this retarded.
Its not official because ZUN does not recognize them as official. Aside from of course every other point that has been brought forth that you keep ignoring.

How about this: Find me anywhere that explicitly says something being licensed makes it official. Like, an actual source.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:14:40 2018 No.19458457

>>19458427
>How do you figure?
Which of these seems more sensible to you:

a) chase down various figure manufacturers and give them money to make figures for you, and do this for even years and years after the series is no longer relevant
b) let the manufacturers approach you, give them permission and take a cut of the sales.

>So youre actually trying too tell me doujin goods are not made too be bought and sold?
So you're actually trying to tell me that the definition of a doujin work is something made to be bought and sold? What the fuck are you even doing on this board?

>Its not official because ZUN does not recognize them as official.
They are sold as official Touhou products that were authorized by ZUN.

>How about this: Find me anywhere that explicitly says something being licensed makes it official.
So we are back to nothing being official, again. None of the merchandise I own is official, because the original creator did not personally make them. Only Western "Touhou fans" could be this fucking stupid.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:26:32 2018 No.19458502

>>19458457
>Which of these seems more sensible to you
Neither, because the way company's actually handle the creation of merch is much more complex and efficient.

>So you're actually trying to tell me that the definition of a doujin work is something made to be bought and sold?
Uh...yeah? Are you familiar with Comiket? A doujin even where doujin goods are...bought and sold.

>What the fuck are you even doing on this board?
Alright you have me cornered on this one. Its because im in love with you anon.

>They are sold as official Touhou products that were authorized by ZUN.
The are sold as UNofficial Touhou products authorized by ZUN. Give me one example of ZUN saying that anything you are talking about is official. HE is ultimately the arbiter of whats official and whats not, and he has never once said anything youre talking about is official.

>So we are back to nothing being official, again. None of the merchandise I own is official, because the original creator did not personally make them.
Youre trying too deflect the very valid point that licensed in no way means official. Also, if none of the merchandise you own is official then why dont you own any of ZUN's work anon?

>Only Western "Touhou fans" could be this fucking stupid.
Im sure.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:33:53 2018 No.19458528

>>19458502
>Uh...yeah?
Ok, we're done. I'm not going to bother anymore. You don't have even the first fucking clue of what you are talking about. If a doujin work was defined the way you think it's defined, then fucking orange juice and bread are now doujin products. Fate/Grand Order is a doujin game. My underwear is doujin. African slavery was actually just the American doujin scene.

No, you fucking idiot: doujin works are not just things that are bought and sold.

The ABSOLUTE state of this fucking place, holy shit. It really is true that every board on 4chan is the least informed on whatever their topic is, but this might be too much even by 4chan standards.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:35:12 2018 No.19458536 >meido is this butt blasted cringe

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:41:55 2018 No.19458583 no

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:44:57 2018 No.19458600

>>19458528
Calm down dude.
Ill be honest, that rant was a little hard too follow. I wish you would have elaborated a bit.

>No, you fucking idiot: doujin works are not just things that are bought and sold.
They are bought and sold though and thats the point. Thats why Comiket exists. They are literally bought and sold there. Ergo they are merchandise by literal definition.

>The ABSOLUTE state of this fucking place, holy shit. It really is true that every board on 4chan is the least informed on whatever their topic is, but this might be too much even by 4chan standards.
Chill dude.

Oh yeah and you still haven't answered my question.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:48:24 2018 No.19458612 >>19458528 Moeshit.

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 12:54:00 2018 No.19462516
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>>19424499
I'm not a "phone poster" nor do I go around fucking up threads on a whim.

Others are complete fuckwits however.
Luckily none of them get rangebans on slower boards or one of the rarely visited.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 12:55:51 2018 No.19462530 And what the fuck happened to this thread. The answer is and always will be no. There are fan anime out there, so fucking search you cocknozzle. It isn't hard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 15:24:55 2018 No.19463421 File: 196 KB, 803x677, 1530694793732.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19422997 and having a subpar one cour anime (EoSD only, as always) like kancolle? no thanks

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 16:21:28 2018 No.19463732 >>19422997 probably (and maybe) when ZUN die

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 16:26:05 2018 No.19463764 >>19456373 cds and mangas are canon along with games anon, even if aren't published directly by ZUN

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 16:29:26 2018 No.19463783 >>19424003 azur lane says hello

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 16:38:24 2018 No.19463846 >>19424283 >why EoSD is still so popular isn't because is the first normal entry point of the series?

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 16:44:20 2018 No.19463872

>>19424477
>How does the Hakurei shrine maiden succession work?
isn't choosed due a shady oligarchy of youkai elders?

>Does Marisa ever contact her family?
not in the last decade

>where the hell the SDM even came from
I have my own headcannon that said SDM came from makai

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 16:47:05 2018 No.19463888 >>19422997 Why would you even consider asking this after seeing how much of a catastrophe the KanColle anime was? They even managed to make everything worse with the movie somehow.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 16:47:55 2018 No.19463892 >>19424510 >Do you really bring your laptop with you everywhere you go? not him but I'll find cafe internets for that purpose

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 16:49:32 2018 No.19463900 >>19424795 PVs are NEVER enough so don't count it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 16:54:55 2018 No.19463922 >>19442370 >Youkai moe is not true moe. t. anon who doesn't know shit about moe (and moe =/= kawaii)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 16:57:43 2018 No.19463938 >>19443581 >dialogues of primary games >grimdark anon, all dialogues are bantz, even the kill sakuya/orange ones

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 17:00:53 2018 No.19463958 >>19444545 the real risk is setting precedents for several small concessions that could become in big changes latter

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 21:22:25 2018 No.19465559 >>19435762 Where are their nipples?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 21:59:30 2018 No.19465751 >>19422997 Kancolle is trash Touhou will never recline Go away faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 20 00:10:34 2018 No.19466295 >>19463922 >t. cringe

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 20 16:39:56 2018 No.19471529 >>19463888 >how much of a catastrophe the KanColle anime was? Explain

Anonymous Fri Jul 20 17:02:53 2018 No.19471661

>>19471529
When Kancolle the game got a massive user explosion surpassing expectations by over 20x, it was decided that it would of course get an anime adaptation. The adaptation was universally panned for being incoherent and terrible. It also outsold everything in its season just because there are a lot of rabid fans with no standards, but it was sufficiently below expectations that they had to field questions about why it was so bad at a stockholder meeting.

Various things that get blamed for are how fast they tried to rush it out the door in an attempt to ride the wave (alongside near a dozen novel and manga series), the fact that it was produced by Diomedea in a season where they were already producing three other anime in the same season (a studio that had been producing, on average, two cours per year), throwing three separate scriptwriters on it who all tried to write different things and then duct taping it together, and generally being an uninspired depthless cashgrab. Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting too.

Touhou is extremely unlikely to get any sort of "official" anime adaptation but it would be unlikely to go even a fraction as wrong as Kancolle did.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 20 23:49:14 2018 No.19473979 >>19471529 Don't listen to>>19471661 Touhou will not suffer from the same date. It's anime would be grand and be the spark to ignite hope

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 21 00:10:22 2018 No.19474073 File: 1.02 MB, 848x480, flancry.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 21 08:57:06 2018 No.19475880 >>19474073 Depressing

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 21 22:08:43 2018 No.19480559 >>19463938 But orange did die

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 21 22:18:52 2018 No.19480608 >>19466295 >cringe cringe

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 21 22:19:28 2018 No.19480615 File: 1.39 MB, 1498x1278, miko miko.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8me0G6dFZFY#t=65

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 21 22:21:46 2018 No.19480633 File: 2.93 MB, 960x540, yuuka baka.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 21 23:25:17 2018 No.19480998 >>19480615 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8me0G6dFZFY

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 22 09:05:49 2018 No.19483159 >>19480633 Just imagine this made by an actual studio

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 22 17:05:08 2018 No.19486368 File: 95 KB, 1280x720, whatreimudoeswhenanonshowsup.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 22 17:19:22 2018 No.19486480 >>19483159 Considering most of these days just outsource 90% of the work to Koreans sweatshops, it wouldn't look much different.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 08:49:01 2018 No.19490607 >>19486480 But the potential

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 06:00:05 2018 No.19496874 >>19457537 revenge for /jp/s attempts to colonizing other boards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 09:19:37 2018 No.19497502 >>19424146 >Touhou hasn't been #1 for a while now At Comiket? Sure. Overall? Nope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 22:41:41 2018 No.19502273 File: 1.02 MB, 640x360, wriggle.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 00:57:20 2018 No.19502818 >>19424003 Genre problems. Touhou are hard as fuck shump game while other weeb games are just online gacha shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 04:05:30 2018 No.19503285 >>19424003 >while Kantai Collection has been thriving. KC is dying for 2 years now. Game is on life support already.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 09:24:55 2018 No.19504420 >>19503285 Lies

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 17:17:23 2018 No.19507602 >>19502818 Is that really a problem?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 17:19:05 2018 No.19507606 >>19502818 >weeb games

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 03:37:22 2018 No.19510561 >>19502273 Nice boy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 11:16:22 2018 No.19512533 https://youtu.be/VndKgOALOXQ Would be nice if this was a full feature, think it's just a promo for Tumeneco's album though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 11:29:36 2018 No.19512628 File: 2.20 MB, 1600x1229, main_visual.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VndKgOALOXQ Would be nice if this was a full feature, think it's just a promo for Tumeneco's album though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 22:22:44 2018 No.19516615 >>19512628 Neat

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 03:51:50 2018 No.19518202 File: 20 KB, 250x250, shit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19512628 trash this thread needs to die

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 05:03:08 2018 No.19518439 >>19518202 No it doesn't

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 18:19:33 2018 No.19523125 >>19497502 Stop spreading lies. Touhou is dying

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 18:37:42 2018 No.19523220 >>19512628 china(支那) garbage

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 02:07:39 2018 No.19525535 File: 2.66 MB, 1280x720, marisafight.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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Anonymous Sat Jul 28 02:57:48 2018 No.19525694

I think a better question to ask, does, Touhou, need an anime? If not, what will be the consequences for not allowing an official anime adaptation to be produced, positive or negative? A question that could be asked, would an anime cement or doom the series?
In the case of producing an anime.
What IP holders, and studios should get the, Touhou-verse? Could the benefits of the current status quo be maintained? Would it be detrimental for the characters, as well as, the setting to be fleshed out? Perhaps the core question for this scenario, what would be the outcome for the game series by, ZUN, the soul of this series, in conjunction with the select IP-holder/studios?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 03:29:36 2018 No.19525767 >>19525694 I saw the chinese said Touhou as the doujin is not belong to ZUN. So anyone who make animation let people know more about the touhou is allowed. Making doujin animations doesn't even require ZUN's permission.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:44:04 2018 No.19530742 >>19525767 Didn't he put a stop a game in development

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 01:07:46 2018 No.19532676

>>19525694
Too answer your primary question the creation of an anime would not effect ZUN's rights over the series at all unless he specifically signed them away (which he would never do). No "IP Holders" would have control over the series because ZUN is the sole IP holder. The only thing the studio in this scenario would have control over is stuff relating too the production. So, for example, if a website is hosting whatever was produced without explicit permission they may take it down without ZUN's permission. It would in no way effect ZUN's rights or the doujin scene.

>>19530742
Firstly I want too clarify what im pretty sure >>19525767 meant, which is basically referring too this section of ZUN's guidelines:
"For the usual activities in doujin (uploading material on a homepage, selling them in a convention or in a shop at your own expense), or doujin material (derivative comics, stories,
games, CGs, goods, cosplay), you do not need to notify me or request my permission. The
copyright of derivative works belong to the creators of said derivatives. If there is trouble
regarding the derivatives of my work, I cannot take responsibility."
Basically While ZUN is the copyright older of Touhou, the copyright of derivative works themselves belongs too the creators of said works.
Now about your question, the reason is was put a stop too is because it violated another part of his guidelines which is that he does not want people too use crowdfunding sites for the creation of Touhou doujin content.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 04:35:11 2018 No.19533427 I don't know, but this will be the ED theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRSfojHs0KA

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 13:01:26 2018 No.19535716 a touhou anime would be neat idea but it would disappoint so badly and ruin everything

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 18:26:45 2018 No.19537899 >>19525535 >>19525536 Soon.

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