Daily Japanese Thread DJT

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This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

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I'm here for jammals farewell post.

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Just remember everyone, there is no short route to fluency! keep on fighting and always compare yourself with you from 2-3 months ago not some stranger online!

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it's been a while djt and our hero is about to leave us but before he posts his farewell speech i want to reassure you all that in the months that follow you will be okay, you will make it, all you have to do is read more

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>>19304254
Jamasama will never leave us, this thread would be toast with his benevolence.
Just accept it; nobody ever learned a single word of nihongo without his gentle guidance. Praise him

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>>19304248
This makes no fucking sense

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>>19304302
So why is it in the guide?

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Which one should I watch next? I can't decide

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>>19304321
MSS

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>>19304302
RTK has you assign a keyword to each "component" of a kanji as well as to the kanji itself. Then you create a story (mnemonic) using those keywords to help you recognize and recall the kanji.

But it doesn't teach you Japanese.

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>>19304321
Delete Golden Kamuy and read the manga.

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>>19304351
This

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>>19304351
Why?

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Reminder you will never be japanese

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>>19303954
Just use a Japanese dictionary when it's comfortable or necessary. If you want to make a "transition" go to >>>/lgbt/

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>>19304380
It's a bad adaptation.

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>>19304580
>Just use a Japanese dictionary when it's comfortable or necessary
not him, but no, matt said we should try to transition as soon as possible because going monolingual will vastly improve your japanese.
yes, you could make the transition when it's more comfortable but if you're willing to put invest the effort why not transition earlier? so someone post their dictionary deck so I can transition.

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>>19304614
Have fun reading Japanese definitions for things like "frog" and "seat".

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>>19304617
you're not supposed to use dictionaries for basic nouns like that according to matt.

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Yeah you're supposed to go monolingual without going monolingual lol.

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Who the heck is this Matt you guys keep talking about

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>>19304621
You don't know what's a basic noun until you start acquiring it or you look it up. And you're going to be using the dictionary on things you haven't started acquiring. There are thousands of "basic nouns". Did you expect 蛙 to be one of the most common words in the language? Because it's somewhere around ~10000.

I'd guess that probably something like 25% of Japanese nouns are almost perfectly described by one to three English words. 砂利 means gravel. 外交 means diplomacy. You're not going to unlock any secrets by forcing yourself to puzzle out a J-J definition for such words.

There's nothing wrong with using a J-J dictionary, not even early on, but there's no "transition". You should always have access to a J-E dictionary of some kind and not be hard on yourself for using it.

This is true of adjectives and verbs as well, just to a lesser extent.

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>>19304649
You don't need to know
Actually, it's better if you don't know

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>>19304623
because obviously a transition is always gradual but some transitions will be more or less gradual. don't be autistic.

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>>19304614
>>19304621
i don't know if this is more adorable
>>19304651
>Did you expect 蛙 to be one of the most common words in the language?
or this is

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>>19304674
I don't see the problem there

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>>19304679
not criticizing your post overall, i just thought the idea of someone thinking "japan likes frogs, frog must be one of the most common words in the language" was as cute as the celebrity worship

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>>19304743
Oh no I just think people overestimate how common the "basic" words are. Or at least they underestimate how many there are.

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Fucking weebs kys now

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We should start a japanese learner book club?

What are you guys currently reading? I am about to finish the first volume of eromanga sensei tomorrow, what should we read next?

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>>19304807
I'm about to finish the 2nd volume! Only 20 pages away, though I'll read the epilogue so its more like 30~40

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>>19304807
I'm finishing the second volume of haruhi

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>>19304614
>>19304621
Why listen to an e-celeb when you can listen to common sense? Use a J-J dictionary if you want to find out the difference between two words like 利子 and 利息... AFAIK J-E dictionaries list both as "interest (bank)," though there is a big difference in point of view between the two words. If the dictionary doesn't help, then there's chiebukuro and other websites.

I used to believe that strictly using J-J would be beneficial, but more often than not, I ended up reading definitions that quite accurately defined the English translation. For instance, the definition of 克服 on goo looks exactly like how an English dictionary would define "overcome" in the context of problems.

Of course you wouldn't know this, because you're probably following Matt's advice of memorizing J-J definitions of words like こと and さま in order to read definitions you probably can't even understand yet, lmao.

tl;dr: J-J isn't more efficient than J-E; it's good to use if you want to differentiate synonyms, but websites for that exist anyway.

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>>19304878
Matt's advice is to use J-E dictionaries when you look up stuff in J-J dictionaries but the rest of your post stands completely valid and forcing yourself to make a J-J transition is stupid.

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Having a J-J dictionary is useful for the 0.01%~0.05% of lookups when JMDict has an incorrect/misleading definition, but otherwise JMDict is fine, as long as you're not trying to translate with it.

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>>19304811
What do you think of it overall, from the first volume I don't think I will continue to the second one. I feel like the LN kinda made me dislike masamune, he comes off as kinda a dick. Maybe it is just sense I can read more of his thoughts as opposed to the anime. Are you going to move on to the third volume?

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>>19304945
I liked the first volume overall. The first impressions of characters like Elf really do a disservice, imo, unless you're like 110% into tsundere girls. Idk why you think Masamune's a dick, especially after everything Sagiri has said and done to him (and mind you Sagiri is my favourite character so far), but maybe you're referencing how he acted with Megumi or what he tried doing at Takasago with the book displays? idk.

I am definitely going to read the third volume, because the second volume, kind of like the last parts of the first volume, ends up finding a way to justify the writing of another volume.

I think you're just getting disillusioned of the characters because of the anime. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case, because when I saw Gakkougurashi!, the ending of that anime was nothing like the manga, and the characters in the manga didn't feel exaggerated.

After reading two volumes, I feel that the covers of each book dictates the theme of the volume. You'll understand this more if you read volume 2.

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>>19304351
Manga isn't reading though.

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I'm getting pretty far into grammar now and it just doesn't let up, I thought grammar would be the easy part but it just keeps getting exponentially more complicated. Is it like Kanji where its gonna be a long time before I get a hang of it or will I be off this ride soon?

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>>19305061
This is a reddit repost.

grammar is kanji
kanji is grammar

You cannot do.

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Friendly reminder that you can't learn your kana without learning kanji first.

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>>19305061
10000 hours of anime and you won't need to read any grammar guides

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>>19305061
You're scaring me man. How bad does grammar get?

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>>19304997
I mean elf is my favorite character as I love chuuni tsundere type characters and I felt like the way he interacts with her is overall rude and I hated when he fought with her in chapter 4. He also just seems immature when he talks to and thinks about a lot of situations(which makes sense as he is 15) but I just don't really like him.

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>>19305092
>>19305101
ebin

>>19305103
It gets pretty rough because there are so many different things for different situations. It's like in English where you so can a bunch of things in different ways to mean roughly the same thing in the end. I thought with Japanese I would at least escape that, but no, it's got its own fair of bullshit and its quite indepth. In fact it's probably even harder because sentence structure is more flexible, meaning more variation in how things are said.

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>>19305115
>It's like in English where you so can
can say*

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>>19305104
Writing the "love-letter," although being a big "fuck you" to Elf (though she also made a work that blatantly pandered to Sagiri's thoughts, so idk), was also indicative of his desperation to keep Sagiri working with him, imo, and that supports his seriousness regrading his intentions to work together with Sagiri and become the ideal he imagines in his head. This is why I wouldn't call him immature, but I understand why you would think he is. I guess you're just annoyed at his simplistic thinking--for instance, when he thought that simply "writing novels!" was an easy solution to most of his problems back in like chapter 3 or so. Also, considering the way Elf talks, I'm not surprised that most new people she meets are a dick to her. Remember how she treated the editor when Elf was first introduced in the story. Also, someone in volume 2 says far more rude and curt things than what Masamune has ever said to Elf.

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>>19304807
sounds like fun. I'd join

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>someone who started learning in May at the same time as me can already easily read pages of yotsubato and I can't do shit because I'm doing RTK

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>>19305234
you're already here welcome to the club

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>>19305243
The argument of RTK was never to speed up the process. It is to help you down the road. This person reading Yotsuba (big fucking deal) will struggle more with the unfamiliar kanji and have to waste time using inefficient methods burning them into memory where the person with RTK will immediately be able to draw meaning from them.

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>>19305243
>>19305253
Yotsubato isn't reading it's manga.

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>>19305253
okay do you have any proof that these assertions are true

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>>19305253
>will struggle more with the unfamiliar kanji
How the fuck does learning something later rather than sooner mean it'll get more difficult
>waste time using inefficient methods burning them into memory
You're saying it as though not doing RTK locks you out of memorizing a kanji via your own mnemonic

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>>19305261
Yes, the benefit of RTK is that kanji are so complex, it is not really efficient to learn everything about them at once. Learning their meaning first gives you a big advantage when it comes to reading.

For instance, if you can recognize the kanji you can figure out what they are trying to say. From there you can simply learn the pronunciation of the kanji and you're set.

Now let's assume you didn't do RTK so you don't know the kanji or its meaning. Now you don't even know what the text is trying to say. So now you have to learn what the kanji means, and how to say it, and then how to apply it. But even worse, you don't understand the principles that make up the kanji. Kanjis are pictures that have meaning, and RTK will teach you this. So even if you come across a kanji that you have no fucking clue what it is, if you have learned the different parts you can piece together what it means, roughly. And that gives you a big advantage.

Now, that being said. Literally any fucking method of learning Japanese will work as long as you stick to it. RTK, AJAAT, KD+, Core 2k, classes (yes, even fucking classes) will ALL work so long as you're not a useless piece of shit with whom it's a miracle you can even tie your shoes in the morning.

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>>19305276
>So now you have to learn what the kanji means, and how to say it, and then how to apply it.
nah nigga by memorizing 原稿 and 改良 and 改善 my mind can read 改稿 and understand the meaning. you just sellin snake oil buddy

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>>19305285
Anybody can memorize anything doing any method. The question is about efficiency. The method which RTK uses is efficient in that it burns shit into your memory through recalling events associated with the kanji, rather than some random amalgamation of lines that your brain has somehow associated with another word. It's more intuitive. But again, whatever works for you.

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>RTK is the most efficient method
[citation needed]

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>>19305276
that's not proof of anything, that's just more abstract assertions
if you don't have any proof then just say so

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>>19305305
The proof is in the process, my friend. It's not a number I can throw at you or a spreadsheet I can give you. Unfortunately moon runes and nip speak aren't that simple.

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>>19305306
okay so you have no proof

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Anyone else really good at reading kanji and how to say them, but shit at converting hiragana to kanji or writing kanji?

Is there any reason to even learn how to write kanji?

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>>19305315
Uh, pretty much anyone who doesn't care about handwriting, I'd assume. I know how the words in your image are written, but I can't do it without an IME.

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>>19305313
I do, you're just not listening because you've made your mind up about this long ago.

>>19305315
>Is there any reason to even learn how to write kanji?
Not really, despite what other anons might say. The point to learn how to write them is if you are going to be applying that skill. If you can read them and type them, then no need. And don't fall for dumb shit like "writing kanji makes you memorize them better". It's a waste of time and there's other ways to memorize them quicker than writing 何 200 times.

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>>19305324
you haven't posted any proof despite saying you have done so so I'm pretty sure you don't have any
proof is facts, not argumentation

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>>19305321
I can read untranslated VN's but I can't write any kanji at all. Does everyone else learn to write them while memorizing?

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>>19305324
>And don't fall for dumb shit like "writing kanji makes you memorize them better". It's a waste of time

Agreed

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>>19305329
The proof is in all the people who have used the program successfully as a supplement to their learning route, and this is self evident if you do any fucking amount of research into RTK. Fucking sperg man.

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>>19305337
that proves that you can succeed after using it, not that it's good or better than alternatives, or even helpful
you're not very good at this

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>>19305342
Reading comprehension is apparently not your strong suit either because I never once claimed that it is the most efficient way. In fact I said any way will work. And using RTK will give you an edge in reading after you have put time into it, in other words delayed gratification. Sacrificing time in the now to reap the rewards later. This is all very simple and you cannot wrap your head around it evidently.

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>>19305347
no you're just selecting on the dependent variable when your look at success stories that did X. it's a basic logical fallacy. that only proves that X doesn't prevent success, nothing else.

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>>19305337
>>19305347
RTK doesn't supplement anything, its just a waste of time before learning japanese.

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>>19305351
>>19305354
There are no fallacies here. RTK is predicated on the idea that you will learn the pronunciation and applications of kanji naturally as you learn grammar and vocabulary, and RTK fills in the rest. It's really not that fucking hard. RTK teaches you the English meaning of the Kanji and your normal, every day studies teaches you the Japanese applications of the kanji. The two work hand in hand. Anyone who uses RTK as a main learning tool and not as a supplementary tool is doing it wrong.

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>>19305360
that's just an argument, not proof of anything

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なあ愚か者たちよ

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>>19305361
see >>19305337
Asking for proof how any method is more efficient would require data that is not available. Besides there are a million other factors as well. The closest thing you can get to "proof" for any learning method is to look at those who have successfully used them, and to do that only requires a quick google search.

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>>19305360
>Anyone who uses RTK
>is doing it wrong.
Glad we agree

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>>19305371
If we agree then you are agreeing to the fact that RTK is a worthwhile supplement to Core 2k.

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>>19305368
I asked for proof that the person who did rtk for a month would be better than the person who didn't in the way you described and you still have not given such proof
arguments as to why it might be the case are not proof, they are arguments. arguments are only proof when their assumptions are proven and they follow rigorous logic.

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>>19305380
Thats not a fact though.

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>>19305381
>I asked for proof that the person who did rtk for a month would be better than the person who didn't in the way you described
Somebody who has used RTK will be more familiar with kanji than someone who just focused on Core 2k. This to me is self evident. However, the time spent on RTK will naturally take away from time that could be allotted to something else, like grammar. This is also self evident. If that is really your question, it is a fucking dumb one mate.

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>>19305293
>rather than some random amalgamation of lines
This is an exaggeration. With your logic, the alphabet is nothing but a "random amalgamation of lines that your brain has somehow associated with a sound."

Let's go to your earlier post >>19305276
>kanji are so complex, it is not really efficient to learn everything about them at once
That's why many people like to learn kanji readings passively through memorizing vocabulary they encounter rather than making kanji flashcards.

>Learning their meaning first gives you a big advantage when it comes to reading
I can't help but laugh at the thought of someone looking at お洒落な女性 and thinking "I can't read it, but I feel like it means the womanly nature of pouring alcohol into something"

>But even worse, you don't understand the principles that make up the kanji.
Who said you can't learn radicals? Even if some people won't learn radicals, you're assuming that people won't eventually spot patterns in kanji after seeing them so often (e.g. 言偏 and 下心 appear in a lot of letters).

>Kanjis are pictures that have meaning.
Again you're wrong. You are generalizing all kanji into one set, when in reality it's more accurate to organize kanji as six subsets: 象形 指事 形声 会意 転注 and 仮借... You're assuming all kanji are 象形 or 会意 when in reality the majority of kanji are 形声 (e.g. 儀 議 犠 to name a few). Thus your assertion is somewhat true at best (and misleading at worst) and only extends as far as characters a 小１would learn like 一 二 三 雨 木 火 etc.

>if you have learned the different parts you can piece together what it means, roughly.
piece together the "rough meaning" of 憗 then

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>>19305395
it's not self evident, it requires proof, and also it's not what you originally asserted

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>>19305397
looking at this post made me realize the person I'm arguing with doesn't know anything about kanji despite being in favor of rtk so I'm going to cut my losses

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>>19305397
>but I feel like it means the womanly nature of pouring alcohol into something"

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finally finished my rep for today

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>>19305397
>I can't help but laugh at the thought of someone looking at お洒落な女性 and thinking "I can't read it, but I feel like it means the womanly nature of pouring alcohol into something"

I don't have time to address all your post in addition to all these other dudes on my ass, but I just want to say that this is literally how learning Japanese works (even though the example you gave was pretty silly). You figure out the rough meaning and refine it from there. Being in this position is leaps and bounds better than being like "what the fuck do these symbols even mean".

>>19305397
>Who said you can't learn radicals?
I don't know, maybe you are applying meaning to what I said that's not actually there. I never said RTK is the only way. If that was true then nobody would have known any Kanji before RTK existed.

>>19305397
>Again you're wrong. You are generalizing all kanji into one set
All you can do is generalize, that's how we process complicated information. Then, we can look at the individual bits and pieces as they present themselves.

And with that I wish you all goodnight.

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>>19305416
>All you can do is generalize
then do it right

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this is you on rtk before beginning to learn Japanese
don't be like this guy

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>he can't even read 其れ
should have studied kanji

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>>19305447
but I did read it
ooo

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わたしのせんこおわにほんごです

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>>19305453
You didn't read it you identified it by it's shape. To truely read you need to have done RTK1-3.

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just to warn you guys I'm takin over this thread. bout to do a live stream an need a place to chat. feel free to stay

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>>19305473
Almost everyone just uses RTK1. 2 and 3 are mostly ignored because at that point their studies have advanced enough to not need it anymore.

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>>19305473
but everbody told me to skip rtk 2 fukkkk

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How do I get adderall?

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>>19305494
amazon

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>rtk

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>rtk sux
>am i cool yet guys?
>reaction image.jpg

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Japanese guy who is studying English, learning 4chan vocabulary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXCren6mEas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5UrnBTUKQA

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>>19305694
>literally using mnemonics in the form of anime girls to remember words
If /jp/ supports this then you're all a bunch of hyprocrits shitting on RTK.

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>>19305731
That has nothing to do with RTK, it's just mining sentences.

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>>19305694
If that's you on the video you should stop posting these here, it's irrelevant to Japanese language learning, try /int/ or something.

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>>19305694
Has someone invited him to DJT yet?

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I bet he studies harder than anyone in this thread.

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As I've been trying this Anki program, it keeps pushing cards further and further back so I'm only getting like 60 review cards per day despite having 20 new ones introduced daily. How do people manage to get hundreds / thousands built up in a day?

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It's because you aren't doing that many cards. I recommend you to increase it too at least a couple hundred a day.>>19305786

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I just reached my goal of 60 raw anime episodes for the month, so I thought I'd give my opinion on them. These are all anime I watched when they aired so I have seen them before but it has been several years.

Boku dake ga Inai Machi: Could understand a decent amount, mostly the conversations between the kids. Most of the really important parts were too hard to understand.
Idolmaster: Understood quite a bit. I would recommend this one to other people who want to try watching raws.
Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry: Couldn't understand shit, especially the last 2 episodes. It was nice watching the last fight and being able to concentrate on the animation since I wasn't looking at subs.

I feel like my listening may have improved a little bit but not much. I am getting more comfortable with watching things I don't understand. Not sure if that is a good thing or not.

Not sure what is next. Maybe Attack on Titan since the new season is starting soon. I'll post an update for every month that I reach my goal.

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>>19305792
>at least a couple hundred a day
Not sure if shitpost but that's just retarded. There's no way you are going to retain a couple hundred new words every day. You'd speedrun the whole program in a few weeks and have nothing to show for it.

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>>19305795
>I am getting more comfortable with watching things I don't understand
thanks for the laugh

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>>19305802
I did 400 new a day for like a week and retained them. Not possible when you're first starting out though.

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>>19305830
Unless you're talking about 400 variations of shit you already know then I think that is well above what a human brain can reasonable do, unless you have super autismo powers.

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>>19304896
What's good J-J dictionary on playstore?

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seriously a week ago you would have laughed at me for learning less than 50 a day and now your shitting on the idea of going fast. make up your mind i'm tired of changing my study routine.

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>>19305864
Most people learn 20 a day because it helps with retention and still gets you through the program relatively quickly. 100 days for core 2k, anything faster is rushing it and not going to help in the long term.

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Can someone help me out with this? Im trying to download an epub of a manga I've bought from kobo rakuten but I cant find my library.

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What's the difference between 加工 and 製造
Also does the verb 直す exist by itself? Anki tells me it means to fix or mend something but I can't find it. I assume it means to redo something for e.g.
書き直す
考え直す

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>>19305938
直す means to fix for like mechanical things, etc
where 治す is for illness or medical, etc

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What is the browser extension where you can highlight text and a box pops up showing translations? Is that a google chrome only thing?

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At what point does Core 10k stop being worth it? Nearing the 6k mark and wondering if I should just switch completely to MCD hereafter.

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>>19305966
Read the guide before asking stupid questions.

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>>19304302
It's not supposed to.

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>>19305974
I have

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>>19305967
also I have long since started reading/watching the news/all that. Core 10k is just so much down to habit at this point I don't even know if it's benefiting me

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>>19305978
Then read it again because you didn't read it properly last time.

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>>19305986
Too much shit to read in all of the directories. I'd have learned Japanese by the time I sort through all that shit.

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How difficult is Clannad?
And how interesting is it if you watched the anime adaptation?

I really hope the other routes are not just a short mediocre bonus to those bored of the Nagisa route.

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>>19305993
It's in the main guide you stupid fuck. And you can't learn Japanese if you can't figure out something so simple on your own without getting your hand held so you might as well give up now.

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>>19305996
Sorry for asking a question in the shitpost general.

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>>19305966
Yomichan probably.

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>>19305967
I'm planning to stop after I finish 6k desu. Currently at 4700. I can read (relatively simple) texts easily enough so I'm just gonna switch to reading and mining.

Maybe I'll add RTK but I don't really like how the front of the card is the keyword rather than the kanji itself. Is there an easy way to fix this?

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>>19306001
Imagine how much shittier it would become if every retard unable to wipe his own ass came here to ask how to use が and は for 10000th time, like there isn't a single website in the world explaining the topic.

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Let's not be elitist here.

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>learn 醜い
>later on, learn simply 憎い
>immediately realize that みにくい is just "hate to look at"
>"why the fuck aren't the kanji just 見憎い then?"
>jisho.org
>"other forms: 見憎い"

So I get having a whole shit ton of available kanji and using them, but it seems less logical than just combining existing simpler kanji to create these words somehow. Not arguing with it as I know those kanji, but still.

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>>19306032
nice blog diaperbaby

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>>19306014
Considering we average maybe 50-100 uniques totaling 1k posts per thread, if everyone asked a question every once and awhile it would not be very detrimental. Especially compared to half the people just shitposting.

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>>19306050
wrong

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>>19306052
migi

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>>19306014
that would be better than that guy who keeps asking if they should do rtk.

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>>19306052
this. i need a place to to talk about the only subject I've ever studied, why you shouldn't rtk. this thread goes and nobody will understand me anymore

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>>19305995
Anyone?
Actually, the first question is pretty dumb, so just answer the second one please.

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>>19306083
Are you asking how interesting Clannad would be for you to read? What kind of question is that? I don't know, would you be interested in it?

As for difficulty I would say it's medium.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306091
No, I mean, how much was not covered by the anime?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306093
wakarimasen lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306093
there's a lot of dumb silly stuff in clannad, I have no idea what they were thinking when they made that game
so naturally it would be hard for them to adapt everything
also if you're talking about the girls' routes then yeah they're obviously missing a lot even if you consider the kyou and tomoyo specials since there's no way you can adapt their whole routes accurately in only one episode

[Anonymous No.]

>>19305938
>加工 and 製造
Xを加工する means processing X.
Yを製造する means producing Y.
e.g. 牛乳を加工してチーズを製造する。
Make cheese from milk.

[Anonymous No.]

What does /djt/ think about Duolingo? Worth investing time into? For beginners at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306209
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306209
Waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306215
>>19306214
Any particular reason why?

[Anonymous No.]

Just btw i started using RTK yesterday and i've gotta say it's a hundred times better than Kodansha.

[Anonymous No.]

@19306238
I wish you'd stop posting in these threads already. Nobody cares.

[Anonymous No.]

＃１９なんとかは

ＯＰにつけないの？

よくわかんないんだけど

つけたほうがかわいいとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

OPはいつものように超ゲイだ

[Anonymous No.]

さんせー

[Anonymous No.]

please explain to me the basic difference in emphasis between 1) だけ、2) しか、3) ばかり
1) neutral
2) showing dislike
3) showing dislike
1) you only play on computer 2) you play computer and do nothing else 3) you're always playing computer
??? idk any more lads

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306316
you play only on computer
there's nothing else to do for you but to play computer
you do nothing but play computer

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306316
だけはちょっといいわけっぽい

しかはちょっとまけおしみっぽい

ばかりはちょっとおおきなおせわっぽい

かぎり/る

をつかって

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306333
sry i dont speak japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306316
1) this
2) not anything but this
3) nothing but this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306316
I'm gonna teach you a secret.
Don't translate, feel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306316
1)だけ is basically neutral, yes, i guess.
2)しか needs negation, the others not.
3)ばかり implies repeating again and again.

今日はゲームだけして過ごそう。／今日はゲームしかしなかった。／毎日ゲームばかりしている。

Object + だけ or ばかり +Verb,
Object + しか +Verb(ない-form),
Verb(て-form) + ばかり + いる or だ,ですVerb(jisho-form) + だけ + だ,です
Verb(jisho-form) + しか + ない,ありません
are all grammatical.
毎日ゲームをしてばかりだ。
毎日ゲームをしてだけだ。<--incorrect
毎日ゲームをするだけだ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306383
きょうはゲームかぎりだ

ちゅうに！ちゅうに！

[Anonymous No.]

もうすぐJLPTだね

「はやぶさ２」のプロジェクトチームで小惑星の撮影と
分析を担当している東京大学の杉田教授は27日の会見で
「リュウグウ」について(A)しました。
会見場のスクリーンには、色の(B)をされた「リュウグウ」の
カラー写真が地球と(C)示され、杉田教授は
「リュウグウは全体的に黒い色をしているのがわかると思います。
これは炭素を(D)含んでいるということです。
これが確認できたことは(E)大事です」と(F)、
炭素を主な成分(G)有機物の存在に(H)感を示しました。

(A)解明　証明　説明　弁明
(B)補助　補正　補足　補てん
(C)比較される形で　比較するぐらい
　比較できるまで　比較にならないほど
(D)強力に　豊富に　最も　ゆっくり
(E)必ず　簡単に　非常に　まったく
(F)安心　期待　緊張　存在
(G)おっしゃり　述べ　申し上げ　呼びかけ
(H)である　とする　になる　の

[Anonymous No.]

>>19305494
If you can't get a legal script you don't want it. Get ritalin instead.

[Anonymous No.]

Actually explaining basic fucking grammar that is understood by reading a bit lmfao, you're just gonna confuse him even more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306391

[Anonymous No.]

間違えた ごめん

「リュウグウは全体的に黒い色をしているのがわかると思います。
これは炭素を(D)含んでいるということです。
これが確認できたことは(E)大事です」と(F)、
炭素を主な成分(G)有機物の存在に(H)感を示しました。

(D)強力に　豊富に　最も　ゆっくり
(E)必ず　簡単に　非常に　まったく
(F)おっしゃり　述べ　申し上げ　呼びかけ
(G)である　とする　になる　の
(H)安心　期待　緊張　存在

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306391
this is a reddit repost

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306316
>2) showing dislike
>3) showing dislike
this is false

[Anonymous No.]

Silly japanese people. how do you go from おひらき to 閉会.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306391
はやぶさ２」のプロジェクトチームで小惑星の撮影と
分析を担当している東京大学の杉田教授は27日の会見で
「リュウグウ」について(
いけないとはっぴょう
)しました。
会見場のスクリーンには、色の
(
ついたえんぴつでおもいおもいにきゃくしょく
)をされた「リュウグウ」の
カラー写真が地球と(
しっしょう
)示され、杉田教授は
「リュウグウは全体的に黒い色をしているのがわかると思います。
これは炭素を(
Ｃとかく
)含んでいるということです。
これが確認できたことは(
コンドームより
)大事です」と(
さんふじんかいのようなことをいい
)、炭素を主な成分(
Ｈ２Ｏ
)有機物の存在に(
ぜつぼう
)感を示しました。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306392
I was reading a bit about research chemicals too. There was one that looked particularly enticing but I haven't had time to read much more about it between watching anime and doing my reps today. Might look more into it later when I'm done reading. I was under the impression ritalin required a prescription as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306562
It does but it's easier to get a prescription for in a lot of places because college students don't like abusing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306391
>>19306517
There's something about seeing those huge blocks of text that is very discouraging to me. Something that just makes me go "nope, not gonna be able to read this"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306222
Because they don't work and they aren't even made by people who know anything about language study. They just accumulate common sentences for you to study and assume you'll pick it up over time. This isn't a terrible approach for people who just want to go on vacation to Europe or something since the languages are similar enough to English and you can get by with just some stock sentences. For actually learning a language it doesn't work, also because these are tools that just want to make money and therefore there's no point in optimizing anything, they just need to make their tool as addictive as possible so they can get a lot of ad revenue.

Tools like Anki are optimized specifically for learning vocab, and there are nice free resources available for which it's been proven that they work. If you combine Anki with one or two grammar textbooks as well as actual reading/listening/speaking practice that's literally all you need. No point in wasting time on shitty tools that don't work. Hell in principle you don't even need Anki but it does make things quicker it lets you track your progress better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306643
>They just accumulate common sentences
They din't even go that far.

[Anonymous No.]

Was there a resource that let you search Kanji and get a % frequency of the readings?

I am certain there was but I can't find it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306695
There is, but it's spectacularly bad. It's not really a good representation of how different kanji are read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19305397
>when in reality the majority of kanji are 形声 (e.g. 儀 議 犠 to name a few)
RTK gives the correct meaning for at least the latter two kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

For a couple weeks I haven't done any new kanji (at around the
1700 mark) and I was initially planning to be done 2200 by the end of June.

At the very least, I've been keeping up with the review cards Anki throws at me but I'm having a hard time getting back into the groove of things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19305786
I'm doing 25 cards a day and it's racked up to 160 daily reviews.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19305838
I once learned 1000 cards in one day and 500 on the next with 90% retention. It's doable if you have time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306741
liked and subscribed

[Anonymous No.]

Another good day of mining behind.
Praise Jesus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306741
You can get 500 done in a few days, I believe in you.

[Anonymous No.]

how do i know when i should write ヴァ or バ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306781
Depending on how gay you feel.

[Anonymous No.]

What's good J-J dictionary for smartphone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306784
エバンゲリオン or ヴェジータ?

>>19306797
takoboto, period

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306741
It's fine as long as you finish it before the end of the year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306801
ヱヴァンゲリオン

[Anonymous No.]

You will (never) be japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306809
ヱージ

[Anonymous No.]

おそーい

もどったー？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306741
Are you doing RTK? You're still almost done. That's only 25 a day for 20 more days.

[Anonymous No.]

>doing more than 3 new characters a day
Sheer madness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306817
Edgy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306859
Of course.

[Anonymous No.]

ゼとジェはぜんぜん

はつおんちがうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306801
Takoboto is J-E.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306900
お知らせいただきありがとうございました

[Anonymous No.]

not a cult btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306957
this is SO a cult

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306957
No one who learns japanese has friends to hang out with irl anyway so this is a moot subject.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306222

It's not built with Asian languages in mind. Also it spends no time on teaching you grammar or sentence structure before putting you in. Lingodeer is miles better, but even then...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306957
what's it like to be convinced that your progression would be forever lacking if you did not commit every single hour of every single day to that one skill

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306695
ichi.moe

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306968

Was planning on Learning Japanese with my girlfriend but she tapped out a few months ago. Even then I get my reps in every night, then sit by her side and read a lesson from Japanese the Manga Way while she reads her mushroom book. Comfy.

[Anonymous No.]

頑張れ!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

is あげましょう just a set expression or is it governed by some kind of special grammar for volitional since it means 'let me give' and not something like "let's give"??

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307051
the volitive form doesn't actually mean "let's"

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti_gFEe1XNY

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307024
by her own admission she can't even read though
i guess this means I have to make it in order to read to her

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307058
Tae Kim simplified it as "let's do X" for volitional, sorry but I'm working on that grammar book and maybe don't have enough intel to know right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307004
>few months ago
>still reading the grammar basics

[Anonymous No.]

Filthy EOP and ESL here.

I passed N5 last year just fine, how many hours you need to put in the pass the N4 test after you passed N5? I'm supposed to start learning again earlier this month but I forgot and now I only have 3-4 days left to study for N4, hory shit just how fucked am I? I want to take it easy and have a target at the same time but I fucked up really hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307070

Spent way to much time on Lingodeer with nothing else. Started Anki a month ago. Started proper grammar studies a few weeks ago.

TLDR: Don't waste your time on frilly apps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307068
Everything simplifies it to that. Just know that it doesn't actualyl mean "let's".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307071
>EOP and ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307075
I oughtta advise you to not waste your time with the language in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307087
EOP means "consumes Japanese translated to English instead of the original Japanese", not "monolingual English speaker".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307071
skip it, immerse for a year, and then take n1 and destroy it.

[Anonymous No.]

Give up, you cant learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307004
I take a slight amount of happiness knowing you won't make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307075
remember: don't put too much time into "grammar studies". you are familiarizing yourself with things to look out for, not actually learning grammar. which is also why books that have exercises waste your time with them. get through the book and then use it and grammar dictionaries as reference while you read.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm doing the monolingual transition but I don't know where to find good example sentences. Most of the time I find a word, it's not in a +1 sentence, so I need a monolingual example sentence resource. Anybody know of one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307071
There's still time, try to skim the grammar and prioritize on memorizing the kanji and vocabulary. You paid and decided on your own on taking the test, take the responsibility and man up.

Tough luck if you failed but there's no harm at trying, with struggling to learn so many and little time before the N4 test day at July you might develop some speed at learning and ended up passing N2/N3 easily at December if you keep it up. Later you might also pass N1 at next year which the only one that actually matters.

[Anonymous No.]

Damn it, why does Nagisa speak politely all the fucking time?
Does she have Autism?
What is she going to scream when having Typical Japanese Sex™? "ダ　ダメです" "いきます！いきます！いきます！"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307134
Now that I think about, there's at least one autistic child like that in almost every anime, what's their fucking problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19304651
>蛙
Literally the most JLPT5 babby you can find knows the katakana version of that word though. Learning the kanji afterwards is much easier then

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307141
okay now do that for the other 10000 "basic nouns"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307101
why? what did he do? that's mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307142
I'd honestly estimate that 50% of them would make enough sense to just be figured out from the kanji 粘土、終点, so on so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19304651
>or you look it up
right. and if you look it up j-j and it's overly complex and you can't understand it then you can just use j-e.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307158
Someone who has to force themselves to transition is going to find everything "overly complex".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307120

I'm going through the guide purely as an introduction to concepts for later. Once I'm done I plan on replacing that slot of time with reading.

[Anonymous No.]

how i take cards i frequently miss out of deck and create new standalone deck with only those cards so i can drill them more specifically???

[Anonymous No.]

Is it true that Kanji becomes significantly easier once you learn about 500 of them or is that a bait?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307183
Apply a tag to those cards specifically which can be found under the "browse" second. Then create a filtered deck from the tag you made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307195
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307195
>"browse" second.
browse section*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307188
Kanji got really easy to memorise after about 2000 for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307188
why wouldn't it be true? you'll naturally see the parts of the kanji more without needing to look at it as carefully, and you'll have more in your mind to subconsciously or consciously compare and contrast it with

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307204
2000? fuck that dude I'm only ever gonna learn 2000.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307209
then you wont be able to read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307204
It got easy around 3000 for me. RTK1+2

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307209
oh no you fell for the rtk "get it all out of the way" meme didn't you
2000 is nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307213
2k is sufficient for most people, as long as you have the grammar skills to back it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307214
1+3*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307209

>>19307213
This^

I know a little under 3000 but I still see at least one new kanji a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307218
t. can't read anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307216
For the record, RTK did not come up with the 2.2k rule for common-use Kanji. But none of you guys know anything about RTK anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307227
for the record, i was not implying that heisig-sama declared that 2200 or 3000 kanji is all you need, instead, i was implying that "getting the kanji out of the way" is the argument most commonly repeated by amateurs for why you should do rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307270
tbf experts like matt and britvsjapan say kanji should be gotten out of the way too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307024
A godess has no need for reading,so yes you should.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307280
>>19307063

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307276
that's how you can tell that they aren't experts

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307276
how the fuck is nochin brit an expert

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307276
okay but they didn't so judging by their success you shouldn't either

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307304
you can infer a method is better after having done something you thought was shit. i'll trust matt's expertise here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307141
The kanji doesn't make a shred of sense to me with that 虫 radical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307209
Well, good luck. 2500 kanji do cover ~99% of written text, but it's really dumb to underestimate that 1%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307312
matt isn't an expert though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307314
虫は虫を使う漢字を知らないのは何のことか

[Anonymous No.]

マット様のおちんちん、美味しい過ぎ！！ンっ、ぢゅるるぅ……ンンっ、ちゅっ、れろ……んむんんっ！　ぢゅる、ぢゅるるるっ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307359
>美味しい過ぎ
stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307312
i'm looking forward to hearing about this generation of mattdrones next year when they realize that half of what matt didn't do but endorses anyway he should have been smart enough to know is a bad idea

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307366
lmao wrong retard. You think I'll admit that RTK was a waste of time? I'm going to pretend it was worthwhile even if it ends up being worthless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307314
bugs are small
frogs are small too
ergo, frogs are bugs

QED

[Anonymous No.]

I have two months of free time to waste, I am currently doing anki core2k/6k and bought Japanese the manga way, I still am a beginner. What is optimal way of learning? I read a lesson from the book a day and do my anki reps. What should I add/change? I want to learn as much as possible in these 2 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306009
Just go along with it. As a fluent reader of Chinese, I can guarantee Heisig knows what he's talking about when he tells you to review ONLY from keyword to character, never the other way around. The best way to really know a character is to have it totally associated with its meaning, not just being able to look at it and recognize what sound it makes. This is probably even more true for Japanese, where characters' sounds change so arbitrarily. There are plenty of less useful characters outside the 2000-something that you'll never deeply and fully know anyway: best to save passive recognition for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307396
RATTATA

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307396
Delete anki and sign up for wankikani.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307396
Read a lot of media that is produced and consumed by natives. You will struggle greatly on every page but it's important. It's generally recommended here that beginners start with basic manga like yotsuba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307396
Do Dogen's phonetics series. Thoroughly immerse yourself. Struggle as fast as possible to that intermediate level and then switch exclusively to native material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307343
Forced production isn't recommended.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307400
you don't know chinese and also chinese isn't japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307331
Well the question becomes "do I spent an equal amount of time learning the extra ~3000 kanji that make up that 1% as I did the 2500 kanji that encompass 99%". This is not even accounting for other obvious factors such as one's natural propensity to lose the ability to read these extra kanji as they are not encountered frequently enough to stay accessible to draw from memory relative to those which are often encountered. My presupposition would be that it would not be a worthwhile endeavor, but only time will tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307472
no, the question becomes if i need to learn far more than 3000 kanji in the first place maybe there's something wrong with putting so much time into the first 2-3000 and surely other people have succeeded at learning more than 3000 kanji without a massive time commitment at the beginning

[Anonymous No.]

How many kanji are just avariants past the 2.5k mark?

[Anonymous No.]

You can't "learn" kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307413
I downloaded Yotsuba. I guess I'll have to look up every single word at the start.
>>19307445
Thanks I will, watched the first episode and sounds like a good series.

[Anonymous No.]

If I finish RTK does that mean I have more willpower than the people who shit on RTK in these threads? The chief complaint seems to be that it's an unfun grind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307519
It means you wasted N amount of days while others were reading and learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307447
If you can't or won't listen to an authority figure like Heisig, you're going to have a very interesting time communicating with Japanese people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307493
There becomes a natural diminishing return as there is an exponential increase in time needed to maintain proper recollection of more kanji which decrease in usefulness exponentially to the point of relative obscurity. The truth of the matter is there is a cutoff for everyone, as time only permits for so many of the kanji to be studied. This imaginary line so to speak differs per person depending on their available time and goals. Ultimately, one should approach this in a pragmatic way that maximizes the reward and minimizes wasted time expenditure. I am not far enough along to make a claim in good faith where this line is to be drawn, so again, only time will tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307499
Like 25% I'd estimate. But even variants have differing readings sometimes so depending on your definition that might be loads more or less.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307516
Pay for it on Patreon if you want (I did, he's a good guy with a family of a his own) but there's a link to a mostly-complete playlist for it in the resources guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307526
heisig isn't an authority figure

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307528
I mean in Chinese after awhile you don't "study" characters anymore unless you really want to be able to produce them: context and some phonetic clues are enough and if not, most native readers would skip over the character anyway, just like a difficult word, but smartphone dictionaries are really good now if you don't want to. You don't study difficult characters unless you want to look smart to native speakers: I admit to doing this.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm at 2.5k kanji and honestly every kanji I see that I don't know has furigana or is just a variant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307542
Heisig is an academic and a writer who knows more about Japanese than you or me. It's a good idea to try to learn from people farther ahead than you than try to denigrate them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307553
Keeping the more obscure characters in your memory bank is a much bigger time commitment than learning them in the first place, mostly because you must be actively trying to keep them memorized since you will not naturally encounter them enough to do this for you. I am inclined to believe that the average Japanese native does not know significantly more than the common everyday kanji, as seen with street studies (or social experiments) that have been conducted which are available to watch on youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307562
Most academics are hacks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307564
true

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307472
Only if you at that point still learn new words actively, which is not a good idea when your vocabulary is big enough for 2500 kanji (unless you did RTK). You learn words as you encounter them, like native speakers do.
Take this for example.
I don't think I've encountered the word "presupposition" once since I started studying English 5 years ago. And I'm probably not going to see it again anytime soon. Whether I forget it or not depends on many factors, but should I not make any effort towards memorizing it?

Learning Japanese words is a bit different, but not so much. I probably misinterpreted your post, but it sounded like you're not even going to try to learn new kanji as you encounter them. Just ~2000 kanji and fuck the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307563
Yeah, most people I've talked to say that the only characters people can be trusted to really know are the elementary school ones and maybe a few more depending on their jobs. Passive recognition tends to go a lot further, though, especially for people who handle literature a lot (which I do.) Do you actively say every word you know in English on a regular basis?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307503
This is the language thread, not the epistemology thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307585
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/you-cant-learn-kanji/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307563
>as seen with street studies (or social experiments) that have been conducted which are available to watch on youtube.
I've heard that these experiments usually include reasonably obscure kanji and that most Japs would be able to recall most joyo kanji for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19305096
lmao why are your fonts so big, grandpa?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307589
>>19307503
stop trying to autistically deconstruct everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307564
Whether or not they are (and in most cases I would agree with you,) here you have someone who knows something you want to know and has been teaching it for decades with generally very good results. I don't see what you stand to gain from ignoring his advice other than a temporary feeling of self-satisfaction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307594
You're not studying Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307595
Do you have a single fact to back any of your assertions up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307589
When I can write a kanji and know at least one word where it is used (so I can type it using IME instead of drawing it, when I need to look up an unknown word), I consider it learned. Kanji are mere symbols, this isn't the daily Chinese thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307590
http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/japanese_language.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306817
ヰージ*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307600
The introduction chapter to RTK?
I don't get this shitting-on-everything attitude everyone's got so hard here. It's generally better to do something than to do nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307614
The introduction chapter to RTK is just a bunch of words. I want facts. Not words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307604
That's nice. But kanji isn't learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307071
that's a recipe for failure my dude, sorry for your loss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307503
shh dont tell them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307621
It's kinda easy to completely shit on this line of reasoning by just applying it to your advice for learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307624
What is it then, senpai?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307628
I don't give any advice. You do. You must present facts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307631
A writing system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307636
>I don't give any advice
I don't give advice either because I'm new. But stop bullshitting. You clearly think there are better or worse methods but obviously you don't want to say it or your autistic bar raising could be applied to yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307637
And I'm _learning_ the writing system.
Not the RTK way though, I'm not interested in learning symbols I can't use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307644
You gave advice here. I didn't. I asked you to back up your advice. You have failed to do so, only repeated yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307637
so then learning kanji is learning the writing system, therefore learning kanji is possible...woah

[Anonymous No.]

>Chinese
>easy as shit to learn language with same sentence order as English, only one writing system (unless you want to differentiate between trad. and simp.), and virtually no grammatical waste
>country sucks ass

>Japanese
>completely the opposite

why live

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307651
The "manga isn't reading" guy must be drunk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307644
bro if you think getting asked to prove something you're pushing is an act of hostility there's something wrong with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307653
Japanese will be easy one day as long as you don't give up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307653
No reason whatsoever, tie a noose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307649
Those two past replies weren't me but I pretty much agree with them. And the facts are just the ones I've already presented: Heisig is a well-respected professor who claims to have taught the Japanese writing system for decades with overall good results, which is a hell of a lot more than most people writing about Japanese in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307649
>You gave advice here.
I didn't. You're confusing me for that other guy. >>19307657
>is an act of hostility
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307668
Claims aren't facts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307673
Don't assume things about the people you're responding to if you're not part of the conversation. Actually, fuck off entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307653
>easy as shit to learn language
Until you start worrying about Classical Chinese/Literary Sinitic/classical poetry, which is a major part of life there (unlike the West) that people will quote at you all the time, at which point it becomes hellishly tough. Still damn fun. The bigger cities in China are also damn fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307680
Also these are parts of Japanese culture too, so have fun :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307679
Nah, I enjoy calling you out on your bar raising. "Hurr durr prove it."
Nah, how about you prove the numerous assumptions you've made about the best ways to learn Japanese you shitposting hypocrite. Bet it feels nice sitting back and trying to deconstruct everything everyone else says, never applying those standards to yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307672
>>19307679
Very roundabout, lashing out way to justify never opening up to anyone, never taking any advice, never trying anything. Sooner or later you'll realize that stubbornness and not considering that someone else might have more experience than you really won't get you anywhere. I hope that realization comes sooner rather than later for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307687
I haven't made any assumptions about how to learn Japanese. In fact, asking anon for proof is the very first thing I posted in this conversation. So you can fuck off with your assumptions and fuck off from this conversation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307689
why are you speaking in the second person, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307689
The first post is very simple. Heisig's claims are not proof of what he peddles. If anything anyone with a bit of stature said was trustworthy the world would be full of hellfire.

The second post isn't even about you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307690
You have. That's why you're applying selective standards to this one guy talking about RTK. Why lie? It's clear as day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307690
And I responded: the introduction to RTK, which is consistent with Heisig's academic background and already a whole lot more than the vast majority of English-medium teachers of Japanese. When someone else knows something you want to know, the best course of action is rarely to distrust them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307697
No, I haven't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307698
A resource's own introduction is not proof of it being good. Are you retarded?
>and already a whole lot more than the vast majority of English-medium teachers of Japanese
Yes, because most people circlejerk in textbooks for three years before doing anything remotely resembling consuming comprehensible input.

[Anonymous No.]

Forever gaijin, gaijin daikerai

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307528
you're not far enough for even your theory to be in good faith
even if you're going for kanji kentei level of memorization, the time commitment is still not exponential, it's logarithmic

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307698
>When someone else knows something you want to know, the best course of action is rarely to distrust them.
actually distrusting authority figures is the best way to get ahead in life

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307712
and the distribution of time spent over time follows a power law (e.g. 1/x)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307694
All I'm asking is for you to consider your own position. You're a student, and a student by choice: there's something you want to learn. Why lash out against your teachers and automatically distrust them? It's better to trust the subjective experiences of people who know more than you than to be content with knowing nothing, and learning is a process that practically demands obedience rather than hot-headedness. Know that one about Mencius' mother?

[Anonymous No.]

Watashi wa sugoi desu! Demo anta wa itsumo dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307722
You know nothing about language acquisition. Stop appealing to abstract ideas. It's not hard to find proof that RTK can be considered useful. You haven't even tried, just shitposted. You did this to yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307713
That requires good self-knowledge: knowing your own limits and realizing when you don't know something yourself. There are a lot more people out there scorning authority than there are people for whom that would do real good.

[Anonymous No.]

nobody has ever (EVER) gotten good at japanese as a direct result of listening to a teacher

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307740
why are you responding to an entirely different conversation as if it's your own
are you raiding this thread with a friend or something lmao fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307722
>learning is a process that practically demands obedience rather than hot-headedness
holy shit you are the most despicable kind of person to walk in the face of this planet please never have children or try to educate people you're only going to ruin their lives

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307722
>learning is a process that practically demands obedience
Ah yes, Copernicus btfo, all hail Ptolemy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307741
nobody has ever (EVER) gotten good at any language as a direct result of academic study

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307760
You're going to have a very fun time with Japanese people if you ever do manage to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307780
you don't know anything about actual japanese culture lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307774
You're not Copernicus.

[Anonymous No.]

slam dunk on that argument now what's up next on the schedule i'm waiting for the retirement speech that was promised last thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307712
I meant it's exponential insofar as strain on your long term memory becomes harder when you get further and further into any foreign language, which is not an equal ratio. This is clearly demonstrated by how quickly you learn the first set of, lets say 50 words (arbitrary value). You'll pick those up near instantaneously relative to learning 50 new concepts much later down the road. I think this is self evident and not really a reasonable point of contention if given any thought.

[Anonymous No.]

教師というのは、恐れ入って服従するものではなく、尊敬して真似するものだと思います
確かに、教師の言うことを聞くのはとても大事なんですけど、それは先生の言いなりになることではなく、先生を尊敬しているからこそ、先生の言うことになんの意味があるかちゃんと知りたくてすることです

[Anonymous No.]

pick your fights men is it really worth your time
on another note we almost have bingo!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307864
Delete this kudasai

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307869
ajatt at >>19306957

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307870
どうして私が削除しなくては行けないですか
私の意見になにか問題があるとでもいいますか

[Anonymous No.]

The R in RATTATA stands for Reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307883
>doushitawatashiga....

Goddamit i need to learn more kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307862
this is the opposite of the truth but i think that the mistake you are making is the difference between learning fifty common foreign words representing concepts you are intimately familiar with versus learning fifty uncommon foreign words relating to ideas that are more new to you
it's still logarithmic, but if you are more familiar with the concept then the amount of information you are acquiring and reviewing is smaller, although on the other hand if you are more familiar with the language then the amount of information you are acquiring and reviewing is smaller as well due to making connections
you sound like you've been doing core6k for two months and your retention is going down and now you think you've learned the limits of the human mind

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307891
yo what the fuck is that real

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307908
Yeah https://www.reddit.com/user/CaptainCaspar

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307892
no, you need to learn more words

[Anonymous No.]

>と思います

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307891
I'm so proud my meme made it off this thread. I'm so depressed it was reddit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307896
I don't see how you can say it is logarithmic when rarer kanji become exponentially more obscure (which they absolutely do, I am not willing to even consider otherwise seeing as the only way you could fuck that up is by not knowing the definition of logarithmic). The logic would follow that committing exponentially less frequent kanji is not logarithmic, as you must take greater measures to commit these to long term memory. This is true in english as well by the way. You would never forget a common word in english, but you must make an active and concious effort to speak in a scholarly manner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307922

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307929
Be glad that your work is out there

[Anonymous No.]

What's considered to be the best Jap-to-Eng dictionary online? I've found weblio.jp but wonder if there's anything better.

[Anonymous No.]

Any bara fans here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307950
My noggin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307950
Jisho and goo are good but the best is Kenkyusha (there's info about it in the sticky)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307957
They're alright.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307969
I want to learn japanese so i can play all these delicious bara games

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307957
I'm more of a 百日草 and 朝顔 kinda guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307986
Are you trying to be omoshiroi or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307914
I shouldn't have clicked that. 4 years dekinai, the reddit meme is real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308038
It's sad because these people probably think RATTATA is a joke. It's real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308053
the best humor is that which is also the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308124
truth

[Anonymous No.]

Here is the best advice I can give to people who are doing Anki:

1. Download the ease-reset addon and run it
2. Change the lapse interval to 30%
3. Only use GOOD and AGAIN buttons

Image is what it looks like after you forget a word, it keeps 30% of the original interval.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys have tips for hiding my being a dekinai? I get found out almost every time I post and I want to be able to blend in until I actually learn nihongo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308186
Reminder that you could be learning Japanese instead of making this post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308156
i don't really have a strong opinion on lapse interval, and i think ease is dumb but i'm not fully convinced, however, easy and hard buttons ruin your life

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308186
Well gee, maybe you should link to the posts in question. There are tons of dekinais here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308196
studying is a quick way to burn out

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308218
In a perfect world you'd have 3 options:

Increase interval (remember)
Decrease interval (somewhat forget)
Reset interval (forget)

Most people use hard for the somewhat forget one, but that literally increases the interval. What kind of logic is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308186
dont post?
>>19308229
this is some sage shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308229
don't study, just read

[Anonymous No.]

how should I understand the highlighted part? 太郎 = protagonist

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308196
I already did my reps and active listening for today. I can't be bothered to do more.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308289
all Jap learners are socially awkward, don't need AJATT

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308284
to tarou x is y

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308284

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308289
or learning japanese is for loners in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308289
delet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308299
thanks
>>19308318
thanks, what kind of grammar guide is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308431
it's hjgp

[Anonymous No.]

Making my own spreadsheet with meanings of things and quaint notes and whatnot makes learning a lot more fun.

Also, I just found out that 国字 exist. These are basically like, Japanese-language instances of donutsteels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308289
TIL I'm autistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308289
I mean I'm actually autistic and love AJATT but she's retarded if she thinks normies learn language in a classroom setting. If anything, she's exposing normies for being losers with no conviction because they will shrivel and fade away if they can't talk to others face to face all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308289
What a stupid bitch, 80% of the worlds population is already somewhat autistic

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw 20%

[Anonymous No.]

Does anybody know where I can find the Japanese script for the VN [この世の果てで恋を唄う少女YU-NO]
?

[Anonymous No.]

what does this mean?
>what is inside the box
>something's probably inside the box

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308639
>推量・疑問などの意を丁寧に表す。
also dragon didos

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308639
>4. Sentence だろう/でしょう with rising intonation asks for the hearers agreement.
something's in the box innit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308639
The でしょう makes it a coy supposition. "What could be in the box?"

[Anonymous No.]

How do I make native content fun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308687
you know Japanese or I don't either

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308713
Native content should be fun in and of itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308730
But it's not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308748
Then why the fuck are you learning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308748
You can't learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308751
To consume good content.
>>19308753
Speak for yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308748
try something else or stop learning japanese, this is easy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308716
er, what

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308759
I don't want to butcher good content by consuming it here and now. That's the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308777
trying to preserve good content for a perfect first experience when it no longer has any value to you for actually learning japanese is a good way to burn yourself out on shitty content and quit
the perfect first experience is also overrated, you can enjoy rereading something and having a better understanding than the first time around

[Anonymous No.]

What meaning of 出る is being used here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308798
On a theoretical level I acknowledge that you're right, but in practice it's difficult for me to accept what you're saying.

[Anonymous No.]

GIVE
UP
ALREADY
YOU
WILL
NEVER
MAKE
IT

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308874
>GUAYWNMI

thank you based pinoy for the encouragement

[Anonymous No.]

脆弱なる者共め！
我がの出来る力を見ているが良い！
俺様を疑うなんて無念の死が相応しいなのだ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308831
>5. to appear; to come out; to emerge; to surface; to come forth; to turn up; to be found; to be detected; to be discovered; to be exposed; to show; to be exhibited; to be on display​
> 集まりなどに出席・参加する。 「同窓会にでる」 「ゴルフのコンペにでる」

[Anonymous No.]

Consuming even enjoyable native material is very exhausting. I want to read Mishima but that's at least 3 years away until I can actually appreciate it desu. I'm slogging through the third Harry Potter book and it's killing me. I don't know what to read because as far as I know most light novels are SAO or Oreimo tier. One month until Yakuza 0 though, really eager to play that because they're entertaining and fun to play in Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308899
shut up and speak in english

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308899
Man, make up your mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>如
>Women share a common likeness. Their mouths are always open, whining about this and that
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308905
If you are bored you will forever be a デキナイ. Find something for natives that you actually want to read, preferably something you've already read in English

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308905
>learning to read Japanese so you can read English novels
>thinking Harry Potter is more sophisticated than SAO or OreImo
Just read Zero no Tsukaima. It is basically the Japanese Harry Potter, but better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308917
High IQ people use Heisig's versions.
>Pardon me if I revert to the venerable old Dr. Freud again, but his eye for symbolism is often helpful to appreciate things that more earthy imaginations once accepted more freely but that we have learned to cover over with a veneer of etiquette. For instance, the fact that things like the mouth of a cave served as natural ritual substitutes for the opening through which a woman gives birth. Hence, in order to be reborn as an adult, one may have to pass through the psychological equivalent of the womb, that is, something that bears a likeness to the opening of the woman from whom you were born.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308941
nothing japanese is better you waifu faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308946
list one foreign thing that's better than its japanese counterpart
It's okay, take your time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308930
Harry Potter is something I've read in English. There isn't really much Japanese original material that I have read in English, I don't really consume all that much manga.

>>19308941
I'm not saying it's more sophisticated but at least it has a plot instead of being haremshit. If I won't even watch more of the anime subbed, I sure as hell don't want to spend dozens of hours reading it in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that if you can't find anything enjoyable to read you wont last long enough to get good enough to find out that the media you've been waiting for isn't enjoyable either.
Doing something that you don't enjoy under the assumption that one day you will enjoy it is extremely ill advised for both of those reasons: it is likely that you will burn out in days, weeks, months, and it is likely that what you're waiting for isn't much better than everything else you don't like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308961
I already know for a fact I won't find anything enjoyable to read because easy-to-read content is never enjoyable. Yotsuba looks stupid as fuck for example. Hopefully I'm able to stay motivated by progress in itself.

[Anonymous No.]

Who else here just picked up japanese out of nowhere? I started with some literally who online grammar guide and a hiragana/katakana PDF practice sheet which I happened to come across by coincidence in a site about japanese culture trivia, started reading hanahira right away, didn't bother with core until like 2 months in. Yet somehow I'm still better than 99% of this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308986
i know that telling you this wont save you the time and disappointment but it's worth a try
you wont make it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308986
>hating Yotsuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308987
your mistake is bothering with core at all
don't study, just read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308986
Yotsuba is complicated as fuck, though. It hides behind a simple and cartoonish style while also constantly talking about social issues deeply ingrained in society. You're just too stupid and shit at Japanese to understand it.

[Anonymous No.]

As for me, it's the 平家物語. I won't enjoy anything until I can read that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309007
I've never read it because I'm not a creep

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308989
I don't have anything else to do so don't worry.
>>19309007
I believe you but I'm guessing none of that will ever be interesting to me because the "wow we have issues in our society" shtick is just boring. Don't care at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308997
I dropped core at 500 words, it was necessary in order to build a stable and reliable vocabulary in Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308987
その慢心はお前の滅亡になれる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309009
>As for me
Google translated detected, back to your hemisphere of the internet 11

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309021
i don't believe that it was necessary but you probably made optimal use out of it, good job, you really are better than 99% of this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309029
俺が滅亡したとしてもお前は日本語が出来ないという事実は変わらん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308987
I randomly decided to learn a few kanji one day because I'm a weeb who thinks that's cool. Things just naturally progressed from there and now I can read most of the stuff I'm interested in fluently unassisted. No real effort aside from that which I felt naturally inclined to make.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309039
your reddit is showing, it's an age old DJT meme you double nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309039
>>19309056
You're both retarded, "as for me" is native English. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19308905
>Doesn't want to have sex with his little sister
>Doesn't fantasize about waking up in a fantasy universe
>unironically likes harry potter
You can't learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309062
Being native English does not mean it can't be a meme.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it worth listening to Japanese podcasts even if you don't understand them? Do things eventually click? I'm doing various actual learning methods as well don't worry about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309119
for the most part only the lines you understand most of are beneficial, if there are (almost) none of those it's not a good use of your time
anime is better because there's visual context to give you extra clues as to what is being discussed, but if you're lost too much of the time then it's not doing you much good

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309069
>1. I do
Kirino is unappealing as a character. Tsundere is literally babby's first dere and you're a pleb for liking them
>2. I do
the premise of SAO is interesting, but the execution is shit
>3. I don't
I read this shit when I was literally 8 or something, I don't enjoy it. Someone recommended them as easy first real novels to read in Japanese so I thought eh why not.

By all means recommend something better so I don't have to read any more of this trash. I'm intrigued by Steins;gate VN but I'd imagine it's full of chuuni/science vocabulary. Some anime I like: 屍鬼, 狼と香辛料、モンスター、蟲師. I don't watch moeblobs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309156
>I don't enjoy it
Then why the fuck are you reading it? You're supposed to read content that engages you.

[Anonymous No.]

I am beginner, I can't remember these damn kanji. I hate anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309197
ゆっくりしていってね

[Anonymous No.]

i feel like such a dekinai today eh

[Anonymous No.]

>変更
>変化
>変わる
Why

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309156
You said all LN's are SAO and oreimo tier which I assumed meant you disliked isekai and sis/lolicon. Honestly just read some LN's of shows you liked, like konosuba or haruhi. I have never read or watched harry potter so I can not tell you if LNs are easier or harder but I would assume not much harder. Just read things that interest you.

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck they call ice cream "soft cream"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309332

Because ice infers rigidity which is the opposite of icecream.

[Anonymous No.]

I can memorize vocabulary pretty well except for 擬態語 and 擬音語. I always have to look those up no matter how many times I see them, any tips?

[Anonymous No.]

>download a novel for grown ups
>3x 2600+ frequency kanji on the first line
I'm going to have a bad time

[Anonymous No.]

>card isn't scheduled to come up again for 21+ days
>forget it by then
SRS is fucking stupid. shitty fucking algorithm can kiss my ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309659
Stop pressing "easy" anytime you get a card right then. Or if you are you are using premade decks then, well stop it

[Anonymous No.]

I've been using Anki for a month now with the All in One Kanji deck (I wanted a kanji deck, not a vocab deck, so I didn't use the deck in the OP).

I keep noticing weird/awkward things and wonder if it's just me, everyone has to deal with this, or there's a better deck.

The radicals are often incomplete or completely misleading. For example, the 先 kanji's radicals are just... 八. That's it. (For background, I have the kangxi radicals memorized and am not learning using the Heisig method.) Jisho lists ノ儿土 for it which seems to make perfect sense. Is the radical section of this deck just drastically flawed, or does the Japanese kanji-related database this deck draws from have some kind of linguistic issue with citing certain kangxi radicals, or could 八 somehow be considered the only radical that applies to this kanji because the stroke order of the other sections is unlike what the kangxi radicals use (I don't know stroke orders)?

One of the Koohii stories for 親 mentions: "I remember this one the way the Japanese do: a parent standing on top of a tree watching what his or her kid is doing." This is the first Koohii story I saw that actually impressed me and seemed intuitive, it's exactly what I came up with too. I know Koohii stories aren't generally for me because I'm not using the Heisig method, but is there a resource that lists stories like this which the Japanese use? I'm fine with it being in Japanese.

I'm doing fine with this deck, it's just that my efficiency might increase a little every day if I didn't have to do a double-take frequently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309692
I rarely press easy or hard. I refuse to go find RTK's kanji in the wild.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309698
don't use random kanji decks, most kanji resources are made by people who know almost zero japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309659
おこった

[Anonymous No.]

What does ふり written in hiragana usually do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309724
(n) (2) (uk) appearance; behaviour; (3) (oft. after a noun+の or verb in the dictionary form) (uk) pretence (pretense); show; pretending (to);

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>>19304248
fuck that siesta primitive. I changed it into hancock(from one piece) and it became easier to recall. ex."Everytime hancock spoke an audience was there to lap up her words). Have fun with the kanji and you'll never forget it.

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>>19304348
Does learning the alphabet teach you English?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309776
No.

[Anonymous No.]

if you know vocal english and the alphabet you can read english

[Anonymous No.]

>if you know vocal english and the alphabet you can read english

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>>19309783
lol

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[Anonymous No.]

>>19309821
>Europoors don't bathe with their children

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>>19309783
sasuga djt

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>>19309842
>>19309799
>>19309787
I don't even know whether you're brainleting me because what I stated was so obvious or because you're disagreeing with me

[Anonymous No.]

>If you know the language and the writing system you know the language
Amazing, tell us more professor

[Anonymous No.]

>I don't even know whether you're brainleting me because what I stated was so obvious or because you're disagreeing with me

[Anonymous No.]

where do I get all the issues of Japanese Graded Readers by Ask Publishing? for free... I just got hold of some of them on public torrents

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>>19309851
i can picture a lot of native children from my elementary school years having trouble with the "sound it out" strategy for words that they are perfectly familiar with in spoken english, and it wasn't because they didn't know the alphabet

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http://gen.lib.rus.ec/

You can download Japanese the Manga Way from here.

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>>19309892

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>>19309892
you can also use the fucking cor

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>>19309901
I remember someone asking where to download it so I assumed it wasn't on there.

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>>19309709
I just wanted to use a kanji deck that has a huge amount of kanji (not just 2000) and that's the best I could come up with. If there's a better option, I wish I knew about it. I've always felt like Anki has a lot of potential, so there should be more decks for it than there are listed on the main site, but I couldn't find any other repositories.

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>>19309901
>cor
there are only 15 volumes of it there, I asked about the whole series which is much more

[Anonymous No.]

>心が癒される
> passive or causative
But Yomichan, it can only be passive.
For a verb to even have a chance of being causative it needs to at least contain せ.

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>>19309892

> bilingual edition

Wut

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When DJT claims classroom Japanese is nothing like natural/colloquial Japanese, I like to say "You need to know the rules before you can bend/break them."

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>>19309936
i don't remember that topic coming up any of the times i witnessed discussion of why classrooms are bad but thanks for your contribution
the order of acquisition of "the rules" and "breaking them" actually doesn't matter by the way

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>>19309944
Are you playing stupid? One of the big problems people have with classroom language instruction is that they have you memorize grammar rules, and they claim it's less efficient than just staying home and trying to read.

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>>19309927

Looked at it. It's just a way shittier version than the one from the cornucopia.

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>>19309955
are you playing stupid? what does that have to do with the differences between the style of speaking you learn in a classroom vs the style of speaking you encounter in casual writing? these are completely different subjects

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>>19309975
>style of speaking
Damn. Now I don't even think you're pretending.

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>>19309996
feel free to explain why you think that exposing yourself to casual japanese has anything at all to do with memorizing grammar rules and producing from day one, as opposed to the fact that you are fully capable of doing both at the same time if you wish
otherwise good talk

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>>19308917
I used " The female mouth has a likeness to a pussy. Mouth Pussy" Done. I rarely use sexual mnemonics but when I do it sticks like cum on a wall.

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>>19308917
>>19310017
>tfw I did what you shouldn't do and just copied a koohii story
To be fair it's been like a month and I still remember the story and kanji. It was the Angelina Jolie one.

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>>19309401
Break it down and make a short story of it. When you come across it again it'll take you a couple seconds to recall but after a while it becomes instant.

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>>19309914
The same ones have been uploaded for a decade. Give up on ever getting any more.

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>>19310044
I've noticed a lot of stories that you would think would offend feminists get mass-flagged and hidden on Koohii. Lots of leftist women wanna learn nip I guess.

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>>19309401
RTK makes it easy to remember.

[Anonymous No.]

What kind of Japanese podcasts do you guys listen to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19309778
case closed. Alphabet is a step to learning and steps are what make up the learning process. Stop trying to force all your learning in one step.

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This may be super simple to you guys but I'm a bit confused on something:

仕事の後 means after work, but I have always understood の as possessive (roughly), for instance ぼくのぴこ, or my pico. So this is literally "after of work", which seems weird to be considering there are other particles which have to do with time, specifically に. So why is の used in this case?

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>>19310122
Sure I never claimed that you shouldn't remember the kanji or that it's not useful.

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>>19309698
most kanji databases treat the top of 先 as its own radical with the unicode codepoint 20092. A lot of fonts can't display it though.

https://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u20092

the all in one deck is pretty bad for this though which is why I generated my own

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>>19310131
oh, I just assumed you were arguing against the method. Mistook you for >>19304302

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>>19310123
https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%81%AE(1)
Try not to associate any piece of grammar too strongly with one specific translation.
I'm not particularly good at grammar but here's my loose understanding.
の is modifying one noun with another. 後 is the core part, but 仕事の provides more context. に would, in the sense you're thinking of, be used to mark a time relevant to another event. You could use 仕事の後に to describe the time of something else.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese Graded Readers available online (to my knowledge):
0lvl - 0/3 volumes
1lvl - 3/3
2lvl - 3/3
3lvl - 3/3
4lvl - 1/3 (vol. 1)

[Anonymous No.]

Man I'm probably over-thinking this but is ておる just てある with an accent? I'm reading FMA. I just ignore it every time but Armstrong says it often enough I should really go ahead and figure it out. Pic related, he uses it on the second to last speech bubble: 一人で出歩くのは危険だと*いっておる*のに

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>>19310252
i don't know japanese but i think it's humble 居る

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>>19310170
Ah, that's enlightening. Thanks for the link.

I respect you for making your own deck. I've made my own simple decks before for other things, and might want to try with kanji at some point too... ideally I'd want a source of mnemonics that don't involve Heisig to integrate into it. Maybe I'll research it later when I have more time (hopefully it's not too hard to switch kanji decks after I've gone through a lot of cards).

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>>19310392
You probably already know this but even just the process of making your own deck is an incredibly powerful memorization tool. By the time you painstakingly add all the information one card at a time, your brain is already committing that information to memory passively. So really everyone should be making their own decks at some point, there's no reason not to.

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>>19310408
but what if you use you use yomichan to automatically generate cards

[Anonymous No.]

https://mokuroku2.neocities.org/
>it's dead
shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19310225
how good are these graded readers? is the language used too textbook-y?

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>>19310416
I wouldn't do that. Memory is a weird thing. In my experience, I am more likely to recall something if there was an event associated with it, such as making a card with that information. I believe this is true in general though, not just for me.

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>>19310408
>So really everyone should be making their own decks at some point
further, you might as well get good at making good succinct cards now instead of putting it off indefinitely
>>19310468
>I am more likely to recall something if there was an event associated with it
same, for example i find i'm more likely to recall new information if i've taken notes even if i don't end up reading them. i think that the act of summarizing is a part of this but i'm unsure.

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>>19310408
That's true, in the sense it verifies that you consciously consider the information at a detailed level. Although it might be more efficient learning-wise to automatically generate it with the help of a csv/importing if it's a very large deck.

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>>19308218
>easy and hard buttons ruin your life
what's the logic here?

[Anonymous No.]

Do they release subs for their films, like かぐや姫の物語

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good anki deck for learning to read what it says on grocery packaging

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw been plateaued at around 2200 kanji in my mining deck for ages now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19310958
one you make yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>19310958
You look at grocery packaging yourself and mine words from it.

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>>19309936
classrooms are good if you suck at forcing yourself to do things or want an easy proven route.

on the other hand, with self study you can experiment with new techniques and look for ways that optimize the learning experience for you. also self study also can be more fun. plus classrooms are all about testing which slows you down in every subject, not just Japanese. with self study you make sense of things and move on. no need to prove what you know to others.

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>>19308284
たろうにはなにもないがある

>>19308639
ひつじ

>>19308831
>でみせ

ろてん

きょうはいいことがひとつあった

きょうはいやなことが１００こあった

[Anonymous No.]

大きな栗の木の下で

[Anonymous No.]

>>19311745
大栗木下さんって

にほんになんにんか

いそうだとおもいませんか

[Anonymous No.]

I posted a couple of days ago about baldr heart and someone wanted to see a dank combo. I have longer, more interesting ones, but this piece of shit is the highest damage one for some reason. 地味で悪い

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>>19310975
Way to go, that means you're now fluent gj.

go to nihon and impress the locals with your gogakuryoku.

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>>19308986
>>19310252
Manga isn't reading though.
>>19309156
Don't call other people pleb when you list Harry Potter, Mishima, Yakuza, and a bunch of "sophisticated anime for intelligent people."

[Anonymous No.]

漫画はこの文章を書ける理由だ。まだ、漫画を読むのが読書じゃないと思う？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19311803
If anything, it just affirms my beliefs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19311828
読めたという事実のため、漫画は一番勉強する方法だとわかる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19311837
Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>彼は
>日本語スレに来る
>日本語を使わない
>他の人の日本語を笑う

[Anonymous No.]

>>19311885

[Anonymous No.]

>>19311885
日本語スレではありまセン

[Anonymous No.]

>>19311915
>日本語を勉強するために作ったスレ
うれしい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19311926
くっ
まずー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19311930
>まずー
まずい？意味わからない

このスレの名は何と言えばいい？

[Anonymous No.]

finally finished my rep for today

[Anonymous No.]

>>19311983
Time to learn some nihongo now.

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>>19307071
I'm not sure I got it right, did you not touch jap for a year after passing N5?

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>>19311991
time to go actively listen to anime while sleeping

[Anonymous No.]

Did anyone have trouble with all the 糸 kanji at first? I was moving at a pretty steady pace no problem but I've had problems with these since I first learned them 2 months ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>individual kanji study

[Anonymous No.]

Finally found a character who pronounced it ちつこう​ instead of なか. I think I just learned japanese.

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>>19312192
あのんは

えろどうじんを

よみすぎた

[Anonymous No.]

>貫
>Ariel the Little Mermaid´s clamshell bra was held to her breasts by piercings.
Oh shit that makes sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>19312100
That's thread right? Looks like some yearn on a spindle to me, ergo thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19312221
>貫

ぬきのじって

ははとも
母

かいともかんけいないとおもうよ
貝

[Anonymous No.]

>>19312233
Are you saying 母 is 貝 with the last two strokes pierced through it? That's deep.

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>>19312221
>貫

は

「かん」とよむと

おもさだよ

ounseとかpoundとかの

にほんのやつ

３．７５ｋｇだって

たまに

しってるとやくにたつかも

[Anonymous No.]

>>19312260
>>19312280
あと

お寿司を貫でかぞえる

これは「ひとさら・にかん」のじょうたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19312260
ぐーぐるせんせいが

ここにくわしいって
https://okjiten.jp/kanji1610.html

うえがホールで

したがコインだって

[Anonymous No.]

Umineko steam version doesn't work with my text hooker... Time to take the training wheels off I guess

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>>19309401
Part of onomatopoeia is pretty systematic like こそあど.

Vowel mutation
かたかた、きちきち、くつくつ、ことこと
Voicing
がたがた、ぎちぎち、ぐつぐつ、ごとごと
Palatalization
かちゃかちゃ、くちゅくちゅ、こちょこちょ
Voicing and palatalization
がちゃがちゃ、ぐちゅぐちゅ、ごちょごちょ
(Note that some of them may not exist in dictionaries.)

Words in the same group and words that share the same vowel usually only have a bit different meanings from each other. With luck, you can replace them with one another, if you don't need a precise meaning and if you happen to know one of them.

Some onomatopoeia have a verb or adjective form. That also helps if you run into がたがた and you can associate it with がたつく.

[Anonymous No.]

this thread has the shittiest vibes
let's fix that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYt9Q-ZR9pM

[Anonymous No.]

ダッチワイフについてどう思う？
欲しい？

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>>19312814
ダンスはへんで

ボーカルはちゅうで

ギターがうまくないけど

トランペットとかトロンボーンとかウッドベースとかそうとううまいんじゃないの

ドラムはかわりをさがしたほうがいい

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>>19312814
nice performance but i spent all of it staring at white shirt kneesocks

[Anonymous No.]

これ美味しい?

http://is3.4chan.org/wsg/1530185530297.webm

[Anonymous No.]

>>19312988
すごい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19312818
ほしいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19312988
ずいぶんまえに

あたしがようつべのリンクはったやつだ

けされてたの？

[Anonymous No.]

あのんにしつもんがあります

テレ東のタイムシフト

かいがいからみられますか
https://video.tv-tokyo.co.jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313044
ないみたい、しくしく

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313044
いいえ、ジオブロックがかかってるよ

[Anonymous No.]

Give your energy to Japan!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313080
Its only about 90 watts but sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313080
はああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ

[Anonymous No.]

it is extremely easy to remember the stroke order for the "woman" kanji so idk if people come up with mnemonics for it because they're retarded or if there's something about RTK that just makes it stick, and those people aren't doing RTK.

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>>19313172
why would you try to recall stroke order if you're not doing (something like) rtk?
who uses mnemonics for stroke order? i only used mnemonics for composition of higher-stroke kanji, stroke order is fucking easy after you've learned like 50 and very rarely you learn something new

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>>19313170
やるよ
奮起一番

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313172
Yeah, you'd have to be a fucking retard to not remember く一ノ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313188
that's a good question. but i've seen several people specifically reference their struggle in remembering the stroke order for woman. doesn't make any sense to me. it just comes natural, and that knowledge becomes reinforced since components like that are used so frequently in others.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7FoVnA_QX4
Why's native content so damn gay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313172
Stroke order should be down to muscle memory, not some dumb ass mnemonics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313252
Yeah your conscious model of stroke order should be limited to what order you write the components in, not what order the individual strokes go in.

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>>19313195
笑う

[Anonymous No.]

>単車
>バイク
>国際
>グローバル

Why do the Japanese insist on ruining their own language with filthy e*glish loan words？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313323
For the same reason EOPs love translations full of Japanese words and TL notes: nobody in Japan understands English, so it sounds カッコいい to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313323
Those other words are 漢語, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313323
>t. 60% french and latin loans

[Anonymous No.]

コロンビアさん頑張れ！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313340
I just said e*glish is filthy, dude. I'm not even an anglo.

[Anonymous No.]

一
二
三
亖

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313416
del

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313416
you know I always hated　四 desu. Remind me again why 亖 isn't used?

[Anonymous No.]

零 : 一

[Anonymous No.]

>大体、そんなゴマスリするなら、もっと相手を選びなさいっての
Can もっと be used meaning "another"? Similar to how もう is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313511
Like choose your target better. Spend more time choosing, that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313511
Classic EOP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313511
https://kotobank.jp/word/もっと-645894
Presumably he's ゴマスリするing a lot of people (I'd guess pretty much anyone based off of そんな) and the person's telling him to be more selective in who he kisses up to.

[Anonymous No.]

戦って生きて行こう

Does this mean "Live to fight another day"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313615
Maybe you should finish kim tyler before reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19307396
First stop with the childish fascist/vaporwave iconography.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313764
if someone made a fool of themselves 26 hours ago in a way that has nothing to do with the thread, i know it's hard but you might be able to let it go

[Anonymous No.]

I give up. I cannot make it through these dry as fuck grammar guides. It's either too fucking boring or I have ADD or some shit. I just can't do it. I keep zoning out every 5 minutes. Fuck this shit. I'm just going to learn as I read and if I can't do it that way then so be it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313846
You can't learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313846
Just do one card of the DoJG deck every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313880
Probably, but I have nothing better to do anyways so might as well give it a go

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313797
I couldn't help myself, anon. Forgive me?

[Anonymous No.]

>酒
>洒
fuck this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313846
how slowly were you going through it?
learn as you read is correct anyway and skimming a grammar guide just helps prepare you for identifying what to look up, but if you can't even skim a grammar guide you might have trouble pushing through how much you will suck in the beginning and how little you understand. genuinely though, good luck.

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>>19313954
Yeah, that's my concern as well. I've been pushing back when I start reading because I haven't been able to force myself to skim the grammar guide even. Knowing myself, it's entirely possible I just quit outright as you described. I'm hoping my long history of being shit at things at the start and adapting will prevent that from happening though.

[Anonymous No.]

Post the last 5 words you mined
立候補
症候群
迷信
誇張
氾濫

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314008
引っ張りだこ
寡黙
愚姉​
強制送還
絆される

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314008
切磋琢磨
為替
一廉
神輿
銜える

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314008
隔てる
滅びる
斜め
淡い
沿って

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314008
齧り付く
狐疑逡巡
窃盗団
些末/瑣末
衒学趣味

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306957
The “cultish” part of it is the people who THINK they’re doing AJATT, caught in the honeymoon phase, feel the need to brag, and will quit before finishing kanji. The handful who actually understand AJATT are too busy AJATTing to add to any toxicity that you’ve come across on the chans or reddit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314008
You paste the whole sentence into anki and not just the words, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314138
no sentence cards are dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314143
but context can ONLY help wtf?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314150
exactly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314138
>>19314150
As long as you're not a 20 IQ brainlet you don't need to have context for vocab words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314174
yea but you might as well because context acts as a mnemonic that is only going to help you remember. there is no downside to having context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313944
Don't worry about it. You will almost never run into trouble even if you don't tell the two apart. Never, once you learn 洒落 and 洒脱. On top of it, 洒落 is hardly ever written in kanji, and there is a high possibility you will never encounter 洒脱. So, maybe you don't have to remember 洒.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313944
lol should've done RTK

[Anonymous No.]

バカな
手が震えるぞ

[Anonymous No.]

sell me on sentences or no sentences
sentences make it easier but who gives a shit, it's also easier when you're actually reading
sentences take more work to mine and are slightly slower to review and that's why i'm unconvinced
i do use a very short sentence fragment on occasion to keep my vocab cards from being ambiguous though because "recall every possible reading or use" sounds pretty dumb to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313197
stroke order for 女 is dead easy once you know that the japanese word for a female ninja is ku-no-ichi (くノ一)
there are other kanji though that have highly non-obvious stroke orders e.g. 発 which I see even native speakers get wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314244
I read the くノ一 shit but I didn't remember it, I just recalled the stroke order ten or twenty times and never forgot it.
Similarly, I don't get 発 wrong. I can't say I wont if I go a year without trying to recall it, but it seems to me like I wont.
Repetition works fine.

[Anonymous No.]

you will never learn japanese if you can't read these names without peeking at the kana

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313846
Set a timer for 5 minutes and really concentrate on the grammar guide until the timer ends. Then take a break and do it again later. When you get better at concentrating, increase the timer to 10 minutes, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomodoro_Technique

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314305
Kanji should be banned from names.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313490
looks like 言

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314008
笑顔
いよいよ
厄介
凝り固まる
性格
なかなか
I don't mine, but these are the last words I looked up.

>>19314243
When I mined I added sentences to the back of my cards, but I only read them when I wanted to remember what I was reading when I mined it. Sentence decks take significantly longer than word decks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314339
under that logic there are a lot of fucking kanji we should get rid of, maybe we should stick to the radicals

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314353
They're not as common as those 2 tho so no.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it legal to stretch きらきら like that to make it fit 5-7-5?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314366
人 and 入 are pretty common

[Anonymous No.]

yo dawg i heard you like mining sentences

その涙滴型の航宙艇、それこそ博物館の地下深くに押しやられ、そのまま忘れ去られて化石になりかかっていたところを発掘されてきたのではないかと疑わしいくらいに古々しい艇で、おまけに外殻は傷だらけ継ぎ接ぎだらけ、風防ガラスは飴屋が頑張って鼈甲飴のでかいのを取り付けたのではないかというくらいに黄ばんで、後尾噴射管は取り外してカチコミに担いでいったのではないかしらんというくらいあちこちべこべこに凹んで、空いているのはあれ宇宙塵と衝突した孔でないの、という壮絶に目出度い有り様。

この後この不運なお手伝いさんは心身共に消耗しきった、かさかさに絞られた海綿の如き態に成り果て、虚ろな眼差し、緩みきって唇の端に涎さえ引いて、お仕着せの衣装も適当に肩に引っかけただけの、乳房も脚も丸出しな、狂女のような有り様で廊下を哀れ徘徊しているのを発見され、同僚が軽く触れただけでもあられもない嬌声をあげては秘部から随喜の潮迸らせ、悶絶、痙攣するというまこと過敏に仕立てあげられた体が、まともに仕事に戻れるまで回復するのに、二ヶ月を要する羽目となったのであるが、そんなのは築宮青年の預かり知らぬところである。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314392
is this something you need help with?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19313846
What guides are you using?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314187
having "help" remembering a word on a flashcard can only be a bad thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314403
wtf are you talking about. how is having a stronger memory of a word because of context worse than having a weaker memory of a word because of no context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314403
this is one of those obvious assumptions that implies that you don't know what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314406
you have that backwards

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314350
>なかなか
Can't make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314417
Every time someone says this it gets dumber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314392
＞同僚が軽く触れただけでも
触 keeps bugging me every time I encounter it.
How do I tell when 触れた is supposed to be ふれて and when is it さわれて？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314406
Hint: if the sentence is on the back instead of the front it's not a sentence card.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314406
let's say your sentence is 私は＿＿＿と申します　（藝アノン）

>do reviews
>read　私は
>remember the right answer is 藝アノン without even reading the sentence

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314426
That's a cloze card. But the rest of your post is valid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314426
oh look it's this argument again except are you trying to imply cloze?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314430
>>19314435
you're right, I didn't mean that but imagine 藝アノン is there and you're supposed to recall the reading and meaning of ゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314441
it seems to me that the effect of memorization in that sense would die off by the time the interval is a couple months, but also that if you associate ゲイ with 私は that in itself is beneficial to your understanding of ゲイ.
the next argument i would expect is "but you aren't looking at the kanji" to which i say you are glancing at them, which is about as much as you will often be doing when actually reading. it's probably not a good choice if you're studying for kanji kentei, but if you just want to be able to read sentences that also have context, i don't think it's a huge loss.
however, i don't do sentences, i'm just theorizing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314455
thats why you can put sentences on the back instead of using them as hints on the front
its also cute how you said kanji lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314426
are you using srs to remember your name?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314458
why would i spend extra time gathering sentences if i'm not going to look at them, that's the worst of both worlds
are you complaining that in the topic of not paying as much attention to the word i referred to the symbols that make up the word instead of the words as a whole, i'm not really sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314478
it among other things clues me in to the fact that youre newfag reddit and it gave me a laugh

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314478
if gathering sentences is extra time then you're mining wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314496
i am new, i've been here 8 months, i've never used reddit, take that how you will and enjoy your amusement

[Anonymous No.]

Im doing my reps and reading about grammar but not learning anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314514
that's okay you don't start learning until you start reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314514
start trying to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314521
But how can I read when I don't learn anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314527
it just happens

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314528

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314527
but you don't learn anything because you don't read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314539
あなたなら出来る

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314543

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314553
different image please

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314504

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>>19314556

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>>19314561
why would you do this to yourself
this is recall btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314562
much better

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314561
lmao are you italian?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314566
i guess he wants to write for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314571
they should use exposure then

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314561
is this bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314580
No.
>>19314570
No, I don't even know what a proviso is. I didn't make the deck.
>>19314566
Because I'm learning how to write.

[Anonymous No.]

imagine spending hours of your life scrounging for your pewfect sentences and copypasting them onto cards instead of just pressing r

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314632
i don't have to imagine, that's me right now

[Anonymous No.]

What in the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314806
kklc's mnemonic for this character is perfect

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314817
post it then, you wanker

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314817
I skimmed KKLC last night and the ordering of the kanji is completely retarded. You're supposed to make your own mnemonics anyway. It's just that Heisig's is pretty wacky.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314823
it just says something like behold all these strokes and despair or something (not literally)
>>19314824
heisig's ordering makes absolutely no sense at all i'm sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314824
>>19314830
let's be honest here, both orderings occasionally make a little sense and most of the time don't make any sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314823

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314837
KKLC ordering is a bad mix between RTK and the most frequent kanji. The problem is that it's just inefficient. RTK is ordered purely on the basis of building primitives and doesn't give a fuck about frequency. Which is good, because if you complete the entire book then frequency won't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314859
You should always learn more frequent things first. You should not be doing RTK in isolation. If you're doing RTK in isolation then you're not studying Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314852
That's an awful mnemonic. It just flat out uses vocab. What's even the point in using KKLC instead of just reading more? It's the worst of both worlds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314880
What? The mnemonic doesn't use vocabulary at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314880
now you're just making stuff up

[Anonymous No.]

You guys don't seem to understand. KKLC isn't actually a kanji study program. It's a way of tricking people who THINK they want to study kanji before learning Japanese into passively absorbing all the miscellaneous facts about kanji as a writing system that other resources isolate them from. Old forms. Reading variation. Lack of fixed meaning. Etymology. And of course what words spelled with kanji actually look like. You guys have NO IDEA how many people finish RTK and can rabble off "literal" translations of any word they come across, without knowing at all how wrong they are, because they know absolutely nothing about Japanese text.

[Anonymous No.]

Since you are talking about Kanji, I stumbled across that site here http://genetickanji.com/
Thoughts on it?

[Anonymous No.]

人 is 1023 in RTK.

That's all you need to know about its ordering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314938
It's bad. But please post more cute pictures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314942
1023 in sixth edition. 951 in fourth edition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314942
人 is 1023
間 is 1747
分 is 844
気 is 2030
発 is 1840
通 is 1511
These are some of the very most common kanji. What the fuck was Heisig thinking? There was no reason to delay any of them for so long. I'm so glad I didn't do RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314967
They're ordered in a way that you can learn the kanji the fastest so you can get it over with and start reading. If you have ADD you can do less efficient methods while reading sooner.

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>それで、もし喜んでもらえたら……迷惑そうな顔をしたりしなかったら、自分の気持ちを伝えてみよう。
>てみよう at the end,
Is it volitional of trying みる at the end here? For what reason?

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>>19314975
It's simply not true that RTK's ordering is the "fastest". There is no evidence to prove it, and Heisig certainly did not know anywhere near enough about Japanese or kanji when making RTK to nail a perfect order the first time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314975
You cant read after rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314975
there is just objectively no reason at all to delay 人 until half the book is already over i'm sorry you are simply wrong about this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314988
You learn to read afterwards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314988
this too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314992
Learning to read should be the very first thing you do.

You're not studying Japanese. You're not even a beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314978
>Is it volitional of trying みる at the end here?
Yes.
>For what reason?
Read Tyler Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315005
Well now that you confirmed I just assume it's "should try"
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314992
nobody who has learned japanese to a high degree of proficiency AND recommends that people finish RTK before starting to read or listen has actually finished RTK from cover to cover before starting to read or listen. there are people who have learned japanese to a high degree of proficiency OR finished RTK before starting to read or listen, who recommend you use RTK that way, but nobody who did both and does so. not even matt recommends finishing rtk before you start reading and listening. he tells you to "immerse" while doing rtk, which is code for reading and listening.

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>>19314999
Agreed. You should read first. And if you don't read first, you should just learn all the kanji at once. Don't do some retarded mix of the two so you waste more time overall being incompetent.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are there so many mouthbreathers who can't into volitional lately?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315024
You don't know Japanese. Don't give advice.

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>>19315022
People with a high degree of proficiency can recognize beginner mistakes and recommend that others do things differently, like Matt or Khatz.

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>>19315035
khatz tells you not to trust everything he says
you shouldn't trust everything matt says either

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315030
https://vocaroo.com/?upload
Put up or shut up kid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315048
I'm not giving advice. You are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315057
That's what I thought. Run along now you hypocritical coward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315048
お前はもうバレてる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315059
You don't seem to understand how the vocaroo meme works. You can only pull it on people who are giving advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315048
>>19315061
忘れ物 https://vocaroo.com/?upload

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315064
Saying that a piece of advice is bad is implying you have enough proficiency to make that assessment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315077
I was merely expressing relief that I didn't do RTK, after finding out about something I consider to be a major fault with it. I didn't come here for your advice. I know far more Japanese than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315080
>>19315048

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>>19315088
You really don't know how this works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315092
You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315098
I do.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a djt for chinese?

[Anonymous No.]

what do you listen to when reading Japanese? I have ADD so podcasts are too distracting. I mostly listen to instrumental trance, it gets me in the zone (also use it when doing school work) and doesn't distractingly make me want to air guitar or mutter vocals

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315123
oldschool memphis rap

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

そとがなつのにおいがする

せみはまだねてる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315048
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0cfrgRoIE3k

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315035
they can recognize what they think are beginner mistakes, but they cannot actually know and they are disingenuous to suggest otherwise
they would be more credible if they were more upfront with the fact that they could be wrong about what they did right and what they did wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMxkWy3p99Q on loop

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315172
>inferring anything about reality is impossible!
shut up moron

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315180
don't put words in my mouth, i didn't say anything is impossible, i said it's error-prone, which it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315180
あなたの想像できないほどあたしは出来る子。なぜならずっと読んだりしちゃった。完璧とは言えないがもう気にしなきゃイイ。だらしないにしてもこれほどでも、あなたはできない子だからこそ想像できない。
https://vocaroo.com/?upload
読めよ。読めなきゃ辞めろ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315139
砂漠には
永遠の夏でしょう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315172
>if they were more upfront with the fact that they could be wrong about what they did right and what they did wrong
Khatz said AJATT isn't a set methodology and sometimes he's wrong. Matt said he's open to criticism and doesn't think he's necessarily right about everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315220
he said "more upfront" not "upfront at all"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315223
Yea but that's such a silly complaint. When is it "enough".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315215
ふかい

さばくはうつくしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315231
when people don't take their advice as gospel like you do lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315211
>あたし
オカマ乙ｗｗｗｗｗｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315234
ありっす

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315233
So it's never enough and you're bitching about nothing. Got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315243
the irony

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315234
>ｗｗｗｗｗｗ
Is this 2008?

[Anonymous No.]

no this is daily unko thread where people pretend they know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

ちょｗｗおまｗｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315106
Yes on /int/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315243
you're demonstrating exactly why it's not enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315146
あたしもうゲイです、セックスしよう

[Anonymous No.]

草
今俺達は二千十八年だ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315255
しー

だめ

[Anonymous No.]

>retimed JP sub pack only has bad shows
fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315272
もう≠も

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315278
わかりません、キャン・ユー・セイ・イット・クリアリー？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315271
No, you're strawmanning because you realize you said something silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315270
If you mean /sino/, nobody actually talks about the chinese language there
It's mostly just people masturbating to WMAF and larping

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315286
おまはえもうゲイ。
>>19315293
笑うやめてくだ草さい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315211
The reason they didn't point out the actual errors in this post is because they can't read it at all.

Amazing.

[Anonymous No.]

How's your RTK notebook progressing?

[Anonymous No.]

Don't count the lines.
Make the lines count.

[Anonymous No.]

もしかしてあたしのこと好きなのか?
は-恥ずかしい!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315314
I can read it but I don't wanna waste my time pointing them out lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315123
Why would you want to listen to a podcast while reading? Is this an AJATT meme?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315320
好きです。デイトして下さい

[Anonymous No.]

Why are so many of you posturing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315324
Prove it. Find the errors.
>>19315333
Posturing is the only counter to beginners to refuse to admit that they don't know enough to give advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315316
>RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315332
でも
あたしは男ですよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315324
yet you're willing to waste your time arguing with people who you cannot possibly convince
very interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315341
男だからこそすき
僕も男だから

[Anonymous No.]

>山村　is さんそん　instead of やまむら

I hate this language so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315337
I already said I don't wanna waste my time　
>>19315343
Wha? I'm not arguing with anyone lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315293
yeah dude you backed me into a corner so i'm gonna let you have this one, i wish i had listened to matt
>>19315324
笑う

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315358
the denial is intense
if you knew japanese to any degree of competence the errors would pop out at you just by skimming it for two seconds
you don't know japanese, please stop making assertions about the learning process

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315358
Did you at least read the page he posted? It's a good story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315338
Okay, don't learn Japanese then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315371
rtk isn't learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315361
Thanks. DJT would have far less shitposting if brainlets like you were more honest from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315320
お前のことなんか誰も好きじゃねーやい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315362
Lots of posturing
>>19315048

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>>19315381
it's funny because i'm the one who originally posted that scan here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315373
この

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315347
ぜんごみたら

まちがえないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315386
you mean
これ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315388
Not この?

[Anonymous No.]

Why do people even come to these threads? Everyone here is a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315390
この is a determiner, これ is a noun

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315318
Why is no one giving me props for this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315381
しっかりしろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315381
Can you respond to my post? I'm getting lonely. >>19315367

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315392
I come here to laugh at beginners and from time to time have people bow to my superior Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315394
thanks 先生

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315398
That wasn't my post. But no, but I'm waiting for people to put up.

[Anonymous No.]

Any books worth buying other than the manga way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315410
I'm not asking you to make a vocaroo, I just want to know if you read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315415
RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315418
I'm waiting for you guys to put up before I do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315418
Hey I'm the other guy you thought you were responding to but it turned out it was someone else, I already uploaded a vocaroo reading one of those retarded toradora pages so I don't feel like gonna do it again

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315421
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315406
sakiuma?

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I find monolingual example sentences? please

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315429
sakuima my ass, its sensei...like one the first few kanjis you should learn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315429
you're not even trying, uma isn't a generic reading of 生
>>19315434
you just fell for what is probably a troll

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315392
Good question, didn't browse DJT for like 6 months.
I come back and it's just as shitty as it was months ago.

I get the impression I'm better than 90% here and I'm still fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.]

I should have started reading earlier

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315433
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AH2JmxglzU

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315446
That's what we tell everyone. They never listen. Can you see how annoying it is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315433
your favorite visual novel

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315449
Don't post videos of Matt here ever again, please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315392
i'm doing rtk so i'm really bored and bait a lot. when i start reading i'll leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315426
>>19315427
That's depressing, I just wanted to know if you read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315459
No, I'm not gonna read your broken ass shitty fucking Japanese. Fuck off, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315459
Maybe you are trolling me in which case you've gotten me good at the expense of DJT's quality, but I answered your question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315451
Yeah but you can't just copy text from a VN to SRS that's my problem

[Anonymous No.]

It's kind of funny how obsessed we all are with matt one way or another but I don't think he even knows we exist, seems like his most devout followers (patrons) are pretty reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315439
Spoiler: every thread in 4chan is shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315467
It's about the toradora page, not the Japanese.
>>19315472
Yes you can

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315457
In that video Matt provides a way of finding monolingual example sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

I dont know who matt is

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315478
>>19315472 (You)
Yes you can
How then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315467
if you can't read their "broken ass shitty fucking Japanese" without thinking then you don't know japanese
it's like four sentences of common words

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315458
that's what they all think, but this you will be here until you dekiru, which may never happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315478
Yeah, I've read it. Are you satisfied now? Can you stop trolling?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315497
You didn't read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315474
who the fuck is matt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315474
>we
speak for yourself chimp im not some web 2.0 monkey that cares about someone just cause they get follows

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys think about these kind of Anki cards?

https://my.mixtape.moe/vkgmed.webm

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315474
A few months ago he tweeted something about how DJT is just a bunch of people too busy posting/trolling instead of learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315491
It's in the guide. You run a texthooker and a clipboard grabber and a mouseover dictionary that supports mining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315500
Do you want me to upload a vocaroo so you can masturbate to it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315517
No, I just know you didn't read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315507
Too much manual intervention.

[Anonymous No.]

ダークウェブってなに？

どこ？ここ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315511
I never knew weeb shit was this advanced. It looks just like what I needed thx

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315519
Oh, that's good. You were so keen on getting me to read it that for a moment I thought you were trying to use my voice as fap material. And yes, I've read it already. It's a great story. Nice taste you have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315530
Do you mean that you've read toradora before?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315433
is this a joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315531
I mean I've read the page, like you asked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315538
But I know that you didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315522
Do you think it's not worth the effort? What kind of cards do you do? I feel like the additional effort really pays off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315539
Even if I didn't really read it, what's so wrong about that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315546
It's just another way that you're fronting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315546
It's dishonest.

[Anonymous No.]

reading a real novel as your first work is so painful but it's also really beautiful and you can actually appreciate the original intent of the prose unlike with shitty translations. At this rate it'll probably take all summer for me to finish the book but idk man I really enjoy it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315549
Good thing I'm an honest boy then.
>>19315550
Fronting about what? Your shitty Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315550
Nobody in this thread has done anything but posture. Please don't be hypocritical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315553
>first work
>appreciate the original intent of the prose

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315561
You're not being honest though.

[Anonymous No.]

って is the most stupid word i've ever encountered in any language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315553
you can appreciate it better than a translation but you still can't really appreciate it
not that that means you shouldn't try, have fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315568
i see you've actually read the toradora page he posted草

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315567
How do you know that?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315574
Because you don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315561
You're off the rails with these comebacks today skip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315578
You're right. You're the king of Japanese, after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315583
That's not why I'm right though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315574
>>19315578
can you two sperges stop shitting up the thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315585
There's no other way for you to be right though. You haven't given a single reason for why you think I haven't read the page, or why you think I don't know Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Why does the DJT neocities site recommend TK, with no mention of Genki? It seems everywhere I look most recommend Genki because of it's formalities whereas TK pushes too much slang (to the point of being rude when speaking to strangers)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315589
they might be shitting up the thread but at least they're in their own world, it's kind of cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315592
There is a reason. Do you want to know it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314455
>but also that if you associate ゲイ with 私は that in itself is beneficial to your understanding of ゲイ

literally in tears

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315593
Genki is a classroom textbook. Classroom language textbooks are bad. Genki is the least bad classroom Japanese language textbook but you shouldn't teach yourself grammar from classroom textbooks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315596
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315602
I doctored the scan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315600
Thanks. Is there a reason why classroom books are bad? The only experience I have learning another language is ASL, and we didn't use a tb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315605
They're structured around how academic education normally works. Language learning doesn't work the way academic education works. Genki is full of minor omissions and has things that are supposed to be instructed so they're not in the actual text.

[Anonymous No.]

finally i can post this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315617
Roger that, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315623
This is almost as good as imoutogana, but not quite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315632
I dunno man making a fucking font for a one-off troll is probably a few orders of magnitude more galaxy brain than proving someone is lying by sneaking silly text into something

[Anonymous No.]

I'm starting to realize that the most valuable thing I gained from 6 months of non-stop AJATT was not a high level of Japanese ability, but the experience of reaching a truly adept level in SOMETHING. Through mastery, you gain meta-understandings that apply to all areas of life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315634
>imoutogana

either at just under a year I'm a newfag or this happened when I was taking a month of ragequit sabbatical from here, what was that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315682
it happened forever ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315682
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/144251848/#144294834

[Anonymous No.]

There are people in DJT that have been here for 2 or more years? I hope I'm as good as you guys some day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315705
you'll be better if you aren't here for 2 years

[Anonymous No.]

thats when you can experience the true pain of this thread

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPL6XNX3xXo

[Anonymous No.]

I'm really lazy and try to invest the minimum effort necessary to learn something, but I'm constantly paranoid that I'm below the necessary threshold and that I need to try harder to get faster results.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315723
rated 5 stars, thumbs upped, liked, favorited, and subscribed

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315689
would love to see the pictures but they seem to be goners

[Anonymous No.]

I finally finished my rep for today

[Anonymous No.]

i win every argument i have ITT yet i don't know a lick of japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315742
Are you seeking to fill the void now that jamal is gone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315736
https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/144251848/#144294834

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315753
he's not gone, it was a ruse

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315723
Your paranoia is almost certainly accurate when it comes to Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315768
it's best for him if he does leave again, this thread isn't even worth trolling anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315779
I still get dopamine out of it though. Probably still worth trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315779
you're not wrong, but if it's not trolled then there is truly nothing left

[Anonymous No.]

テロするほうがわるいんだけ

テロされるこころあたりはないの

メリーランド州の新聞？

[Anonymous No.]

>character introduced
>no furigana given

ok mr. akira it is then

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anyway to disable the translations on tatoeba.org? Or is there a site like just in Jap?

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone wanna help me with the left page?
>A big truck infront
>suzuki's bus, driving behind a truck
>Aaah, today's work
>Finally ended
>Quickly, i want to go home
>Quickly I want to sleep
>That moment, the truck in front
>Stopped
>"Awah" "Dangerous"
How did I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315828
What are you using it for?

[Anonymous No.]

For those who know more than one language did you notice any downgrade on your 2nd language after you started learning Japanese? because its happening to me for some reason...maybe i reached my limit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315855
nah my english is doing fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315855
I know for sure that my english degraded, yeah. Though i don't think its a limit issue as much as I don't use it as much anymore. Been months since I read an english manga or a LN

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315865
i guess am just retarded then

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315845
It's accurate apart from the caveman sentences

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315871
yup

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315845
this is what "read from day one"rs read?

fucking pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315846
Search for sentences for words I found in sentences that aren't i+1

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315879
where did you get that idea from
i read yotsuba like a man

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315869
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315855
The only limit is the time you spend exposing yourself to the languages. If you expose yourself to a language less it will start to decay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315845
>furigana on the katakana

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315890
the level you reached in the first place also has an effect, you forget shit faster when you were never good at it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315879
This is actually my first time doing any actual reading. Been anki-droning for a month so far. While my vocab is stellar I have not been doing much(any) grammar yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315900
even if it's not manga it's still not reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315900
>anki-droning for a month
> vocab is stellar
yeeeeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315507
where exactly does that .mp3 come from and how are you able to so quickly put it where it needs to go on your computer, while having anki point to it?

also your method reminds me of subs2srs which allows batch conversion of shows+subtitles into cards containing a screenshot of the scene, an audio clip, and an english and japanese subtitle. but i don't know which method is faster or more efficient. you're making cards for specific words as you watch along so batch conversion isn't important to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315900
don't worry about shitposterさん, but when you run out of low-level graded reader material you're going to have to jump into something a lot more uncomfortable and struggle and have to give up on some lines, がんばれ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19311538
>classrooms are good if you suck at forcing yourself to do things or want an easy proven route.

Name one person to learn any language from a class. Proven my ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315888
>>19315889

[Anonymous No.]

>4 pages took 2 hours

at this rate it'll only take 1148 more hours to finish this book

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315933
oh don't worry i read the ln

[Anonymous No.]

Hello minasan!

I've been studying Japanese for 2 months now and am ready to start kana. One quick question though, do I need to learn both hiragana and katakana or would it be okay to only learn hiragana?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315935
it'll get faster but have you considered that a 1200 page book might not be the best choice for you yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315940
steve kaufman was a diplomat in japan for 9 years or some shit and he said he never really learned katakana so sure just learn hiragana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315940
i dont know if this is real or not but what the fucking are you learning in 2 months?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315940
I cant even tell anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315940
This is a reddit repost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315940
What the fuck is this? How retarded are you? You can't read a simple guide in English, yet you want to read the runes? Well, dumb cunt, you're lucky I'm here to break it down for you, although I do wonder if you have actually have zero reading comprehension, making this effort pointless...
So, first things first, drop learning hiragana and katakana because it's basically the baby version of the language, and it's equivalent to learning how to read, write and speak from Tommy Pickles. Cut straight to kanji, with the fastest way of learning the basic 3000 that you need to read a simple children's book being to print them all out and copy them by hand (pro tip: tracing them saves some time). Once you've done that, you're probably ready to practice speaking, so just go outside and use all the kanji you learned over the last 2 years (as per the above) by narrating your life as best you can out loud. Film it and review it daily to monitor your sick moon gainz. Lastly, move to Japan and teach English.

Good luck, cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315940
みみからおぼえてね

えいやくはしないで

どんどんきいてね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315940
Just learn the katakana through vocab, studying them separately is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

Katakana take like a week to learn niggas

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315963
When you phrase it that way, people's criticism of isolated kanji study looks silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315970
two days, three if you're slow

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315963
just learn japanese through vocab bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315970
It took me several days each to learn hiragana and katakana. But I bet it could be done efficiently in just one day using mnemonics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315975
you seem to think he's joking but this approach is completely viable

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315963
This is unironically what I did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315946
Thank you! I appreciate the example too. I think I'll save time and maybe come back to katakana if I need it.

>>19315947
shigatsukaranihongonobunpouwobenkyoushiteimashita!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315989
It is but it would be way faster if you just spent 3 hours memorizing them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315996
うそはいけない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316003
You can't memorize and retain more than a small number of things in three hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316003
nobody has ever "memorized" the katakana in three hours
human memory just neurologically does not work that way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315954
thanks for the advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315943
DJT told me to read the light novel (series) my favorite anime are based on.
I've been procrastinating but the prologue chapter has lots of obscure descriptive vocabulary about buddhist rituals and such i've never been exposed to (more new words than old ones e.g. 20+ new rare (religious context only) kanji on the first page), i skimmed ahead and the language gets way more familiar and faster to read once the dialog
and plot starts.
It's way late though so I'll try to work my way through at least 30 pages tomorrow when i'm feeling refreshed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316008
so he was lying!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316006
>>19316008
I didn't personally try it that way so you could be right, but I can memorize the stroke order of 20+ kanji in just one hour. So memorizing 46 katakana in three hours using mnemonics sounds doable.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys,

I am just wondering about listening. I am 10 months in and I only started watching daily raws a month ago. How do you improve listening? Does watching raws actually help my understanding of spoken language or does my listening go up from purely reading (I also read everyday). I just feel my listening has not improved much at all outside of spoken language sounding slower.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316031
わたしですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316029
Stroke order is extremely regular once you're already started. When you memorize the stroke order of a kanji you're just training the system in your head that predicts stroke order. The hiragana and katakana are not the same. Nobody has ever retained a (simple) writing system after just a few hours of practice. Arbitrary skills like recognizing arbitrary symbols need to be trained at regular intervals for a while before they become "learned".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316031
what exactly are you watching? if anime then please fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316046
this is /jp/ not /drama/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316049
*dorama

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316051
Did you mean: ドラマ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316049
this is /jp/ - Japan General and there's a general for dorama and bangumi. We belong here just as much as you do. Touhoufags like you need your own containment board

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316049
he need to watch japanese tv, programs, news..etc or even radio and podcast...just please dont watch fucking anime to learn the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316058
generals are containment threads please stay in them thanx

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316058
This is quite literally the touhou containment board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316039
>Stroke order is extremely regular once you're already started.
I'm talking about RTK so I mean that I can associate a brand new kanji I've never seen before with a keyword, and upon seeing that keyword I can instantly write that kanji. I can learn to do that for 20 kanji in an hour. Some people can do way more than that. With kana the process would just be associating the kana with an image and story that invokes using the sound the kana represents.

Heisig has a book titled Remembering the Kana and he claims you can learn the kana in 6 hours. Again, I haven't done this so it could be full of shit. It just lines up with my experience with RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316031
i don't know japanese but my experience so far has been that reading is much more effective for becoming able to understand more substance, but listening is important to be able to process what people are saying at a natural speed and in less clear speech, as well as to give you a better mental understanding of what spoken japanese should actually sound like

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316058
おこった

[Anonymous No.]

what happened to the guy who got mad when you said dorama whered he go
>>19316063
anime is japanese tv conversation over you lose now close your browser in shame

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316071
Okay have fun retaining that without repetitino.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316070
Yeah and /g/ is for /g/uro. Times change, old man. Touhou needs their own /vp/ / /mlp/

[Anonymous No.]

I've decided not to learn japanese so I'm doing RTK. Wish me luck!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316074
go on learn from anime and speak like a fucking a retard if you will ever have a chance to speak with a japanese person

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316080
good luck with your Chinese studies

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316082
i said close your browser what are you doing here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316075
Did I imply you're not supposed to use SRS or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316063
you should definitely refine your understanding with any of the examples you listed, but when you are shit there is nothing wrong with consuming anime just like there is nothing wrong with consuming manga when you can't read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316084
laughing at you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316086
Yes when you said "if you just spent 3 hours" and "I can memorize the stroke order of 20+ kanji in just one hour".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316077
maybe drama should get its own board it could be /d/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316092
have fun on top of mount stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316082
no one, not even you, has mental capacity low enough to be incapable of distinguishing acceptable real-world speech from animeisms

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316105
go fap to your favorite waifu, maybe someday you will be able to communicate with her!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316106
to be fair, I speak like a yakuza guy because i watched too many Kitano flicks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316106
to be fair, I don't speak because i watched too many silent era flicks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316093
You always have to get more exposure to make sure something enters your long term memory. If you were to take 2 weeks to learn the kana but never use that knowledge again, you would forget it. So that was a silly way to interpret my post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316124
"just" means "just"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316124
Maybe you shouldn't say things you don't mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316126
But you're learning kana because you plan on using kana? So that is "just" what you have to do, in the only sane context (people using what they've learned).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316135
yeah and reading words is using

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316143
Yea of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316149
so actually by skipping to reading words you're doing it as fast as possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316150
What's faster, learning to associate kana with sounds by reading text with audio, or learning to associate kana with sounds using mnemonics in 6 hours?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316157
former

[Anonymous No.]

けんさくしたら

ことしのなつコミに

したの○○○○っていう

やべーやつが

アウトにちかいアウトだった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316160
Oh. Hopefully you're not the guy who just told me that it's impossible to learn the kana in 6 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316166
you said three

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316167
I said katakana in 3. Kana in 6.

[Anonymous No.]

I learned nippon in 3 months, ask me anything? please ask in english because my browser currently can't display japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316167
that's what like 128 characters? you literally have 2.5 mins each.just go over them. you'll remember them because they show up everywhere

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316181
but you've been answering without being asked already

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316183
>that's what like 128 characters?
the state of /djt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316185
im a new guy anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316183
you're not good at following conversations

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316174
okay you just moved a goalpost
saying you can do something "in six hours" means that you do it in one sitting
when you use spaced repetition this is not what you're doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316207
You can do spaced repetition or you'll remember from immediate exposure in text. Again, saying that you can't technically learn the kana in 6 hours is like saying you can't technically learn them in 6 weeks, because you don't use that knowledge it will exist your long term memory.

Obviously that's true, but obviously the point of learning kana is that you plan on using that knowledge, so to suggest that you can't truly learn them in 6 hours but you can in 2 weeks via other means is disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316221
you really need to get your thoughts together instead of making multiple mutually exclusive arguments at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316221
>6 weeks
>2 weeks
Meant for both to be "2 weeks" but any extended period of time would fit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316228
But I pointed out that your semantic nitpick could apply to anybody claiming they learned anything in any amount of time. Your thought makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316241
>your

[Anonymous No.]

Remember, eating healthy and exercising is important for learning :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316268
i've lost 10lbs since starting japanese a month ago

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP5lz2CYNR4

>every poster in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

Heisig is a hack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316279
i've gained 50キロ since starting eating ケーキ with お箸 a month ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316348
your retarted

[Anonymous No.]

やせてるおにいちゃんが

すき

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316406
You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

Looks like he really did leave. I'm honestly surprised. I only wrote that post as a joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19315913
>where exactly does that .mp3 come from and how are you able to so quickly put it where it needs to go on your computer, while having anki point to it?

I use ShareX hotkeys to record it. After finishing I set it up to copy the file to my clipboard and I just paste it into the Anki field.

subs2srs is probably worse than what I do because I do the audio manually, meaning I can decide how long it goes, over how many subtitles. I also get the standard Yomichan mining layout as opposed to some batch process result that only has the sentence. There is of course also the benefit of actually watching the show as opposed to doing something retarded like going through every sentence one by one (I saw this in the britvsjapan video, what a horrendous thing to suffer through). All in all, I think subs2srs is a pretty stupid thing to use as opposed to a manual approach like mine and the cards have paid off so far. Only a bit above 1500 (out of like 10000 total) now but the retention is 93% in the last month.

Sometimes I just mine cool lines even if nothing hard is in there so I can see them a couple times in Anki, makes reviewing plenty fun. So far I've been unable to convince anyone to do this though. Shame really, everyone is missing out.

https://my.mixtape.moe/hxjxzp.webm

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19302303
>>19302522
i mean you and i both know you intentionally didnt follow directions

まあだいたい正解だったけど : )

look at this thread do you really think i can leave you rascals to die in your filth like this

my work will never be done though id be nothing but blissful to finally be blessed with eternal rest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yirVxFBnp2o

改めてよろしっぷー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316008
did you ever stop and consider what it even means to "memorize" something? I consider something memorized if I'm going to think about it again later. I mean would you really say someone knew something if they didn't think about it again for the rest of their lives? By this definition everyone who learns Japanese and doesn't stop using it will think about kana again. Therefore, it only takes a quick glance to truly memorize it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316624
There you are. You may be a shitposting enabler, but it's not like the shitposting will go away if you leave (as proven by this thread), and there just aren't many people here who actually know Japanese. If only you used your knowledge for good...

[Anonymous No.]

Why are you posting this?

[Anonymous No.]

who is Jamal? why do you post him?

[Anonymous No.]

>he doesn't know you're supposed to click all of the images of cars until they disappear before clicking to continue

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316672
so what should i do

politely tell people to read japango the mango way and expose themselves to more nihongo in general utilizing their various senses

fat fuckin chance i aint interested in people who "didnt read the guide" and havent "put in the time"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19306846
you're making me feel smart for studying 10 a day

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316624
>look at this thread do you really think i can leave you rascals to die in your filth like this
this is basically what i thought you would say, thank you for living up to my expectations

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316717
I don't know. I lurk this thread every day but make maybe 3-5 posts per thread and only stick around out of habit, to answer the occasional non-retarded question, and because I believe there are people out there who can make good use of what DJT has to offer them. It's just a shame to see what this place become. I miss when DJT actually felt like a group of like-minded people working towards a common goal.

[Anonymous No.]

>try to talk in Japanese
>> fuck off that's not allowed here

>try to talk about study methods
>> fuck off and read the guide

>try to share untranslated visual novels
>>fuck off back to your containment thread

what was this thread for again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316758
shit posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316758
RTK
Matt

Yea that's about it, have a good day

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316758
>>try to share untranslated visual novels
>>>fuck off back to your containment thread
When's the last time that's happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316758
I know how you feel man. I wanna talk about Matt and RTK but get shit on for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316758
to get absolutely stunted on by the elite djt nihongo boys while you run in circles chasing your tails

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316748
I never answer questions because I hate the people in this thread and even if the question asker doesn't seem bad there are will always be 10 more roaches lurking that would be inadvertently benefited if I helped so I just shitpost for fun instead.

[Anonymous No.]

I have finished this story and listened to the audio files but I still don't understand what his grandma is telling him at the end. Specifically
>前はだめ
>後ろ
She is telling him to look back? and then to look behind? please help a dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

あたしは元気である!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316796
Not to look back*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316748
you know i sort of remember when every thread had 3-5 questions made by people who seemed like they have the lights on upstairs

its really rare to find something worth a real answer and not just a swift kick in their slackin ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316796
Stop reading that ださい shit man

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316796
it has fuckin pictures

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316796
あのん

しにかけたことないの？

そうまとうっていう
走馬燈

しにかけるとよくみる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316758
who are you quoting アノンさん?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316796
Who is he talking to ? is his grandma talking to him from heaven?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316843
そうまとう

まだみたことないの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316843
Something like this, He crashed his Bus and he was dreaming/imagining her. He wakes up in the hospital later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19314852
The easier way to remember it is just to see the obvious American flag in the lower half, and for the top it represents luscious trees on America's coasts and a can of beans representing the flyover states.

[Anonymous No.]

jesus christ dont go to the light boy

there did you get through your fuckin dense skull yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316847
>>19316856
never seen this before. are these those graded readers I've heard so much about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316865
Yeah, this is バス Level 1 Volume 3. For the most part it was too easy so I might finish to level 2 next. I prefer this over yotsuba and other methods since it comes with audio as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316874
So I might finish the volume then move to level 2 next*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316843
I have never read this but based on the pages posted here, He is a bus driver who is talking to some old hag who is riding the bus. It just reminds him of his dead grandma.

[Anonymous No.]

>increase system volume by 15%
>listening comprehension improves twofold

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316874
they seem pretty good. probably going to give them a go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316887
>move to Japan
>become native level listener

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316865
そうまとう
臨 死 体 験

えいごでなんていうの？

ジョナサン？

[Anonymous No.]

Just learned hiragana. I'll be caught up with you dekinais by the end of the month.

[Anonymous No.]

Any good horror manga you guys recommend, Just finished a novel and would like to take a few days on easier manga before jumping into another novel.

[Anonymous No.]

yotubato

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316917
ソノシンリイツマデモツデショウ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316748
>I miss when DJT actually felt like a group of like-minded people working towards a common goal
You can blame /a/ mods for that. This place has never been the same since the move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316920
boku no pic

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>>19316920
Not a manga, but Corpse Party is easier than a novel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19316925
blaming others and absolving yourself of the issues is what got you punted out of /a/

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>>19316935
no it was sabotage

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>>19316936
then die under the pillow you smother yourself with

[Anonymous No.]

remember when that one guy spammed fake questions for months

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>>19316935
It's not my fault that actually studying Japanese is frowned upon now. I'm surprised nobody had complained about this post yet >>19316796 . Even though it's the only good post in this entire thread.

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when i learn japanese in a year i'll turn this thread around.

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>>19316950
No, you'll just become another asshole who shits on others for being dekinais, assuming you don't quit first, which that probably won't stop the shot posts. DJT needs some kind of activity

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when i learn japanese in a year i'll be the first shitposter in this thread to learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

post that funky nihongo white boy

(this is a reference you might not be old enough to get it)

[Anonymous No.]

Good Posts:
media recommendations
questions pertaining to consumption
blog posts on progress
interesting things you have observed

Bad Posts:
autistic arguing
questions that could easily be googled
off topic discussions
anything pertaining to RTK/AJATT/Core

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>>19315713
Damn, our guy Steve really doesn't study grammar at all does he? He just learns through osmosis. Such a pro.

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>>19316979
>anything pertaining to RTK/Core
Oh come on.

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>>19316979
bad posts: your post

[Anonymous No.]

good posts:
my posts

bad posts:
your posts

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>>19316953
i'll give up before then anyway so it doesn't matter. but like you said, one person can't turn this thread around.

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the manga section of sticky is dead

im looking for hunterxhunter raws from the anime ending onwards

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>>19316994
>hunterxhunter
grow up

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Hi guys, I've been studying for a year and have made a lot of progress. I can now read some eroge to the end and am having so much fun. I've noticed that writing out the kanji makes you read a lot faster. However, I have been neglecting my listening. What would be the best media to use for this. Does listening to anime really make you sound like an anime character? Also do you guys have any recommendations?

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>>19317000
not him but it's a fantastic series. if gon's confrontation with pitou while pitou heals komugi doesn't stick out in your mind then idk what does.

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>>19317006
Passive listen to Japanese audio for 22 hours a day

[Anonymous No.]

hxh is older than some of you young asses

[Anonymous No.]

>>19317009

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>>19317006
this is a good post

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>>19317006
Yea you'll sound like an anime character but if you enjoy it, so what? Your comprehension will increase and afterwards you can branch out to other media where you'll learn more natural Japanese. The "you'll sound like an anime character" meme is retarded. Now make sure you upvote me for responding to this pasta.

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>>19317006
Nobody in this thread knows how to learn how to improve listening.

See these posts:
>>19316031
>>19305795
>>19316035
>>19316072

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>>19317020
How long have you been in here to immediately think about those old-ass posts?

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody in this thread even has brain cells

See this post:
>>19317032

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/mattvsjapan/status/1012531033852370944

Is anki about to remove all of our accounts? Has the transition to a compulsory paid service begun?

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>>19317020
i know how to improve listening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOS-Yx4Qb_M

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>>19317040
>https://twitter.com/mattvsjapan/status/1012531033852370944
自らでかな

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>>19317040
Yay less questions from anki drones, also now everyone can start actually learning the language.

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>>19317019
左様ですな、我が利発なり相棒よ

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>>19317019
dont talk like the anime character

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>>19317000
im 27 and make a lot more money than you do

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>>19317071
ワタクシは三十一歳ですけど…
給料はお前のより少ない；＿；

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>>19317071
im 69 and i spend your whole life in a day

[Anonymous No.]

im a 3k year old loli vampire and i helped Jesus create nihon and nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

NEET here. I have more time to dedicate to nihongo than all of you combined

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>>19317091
so make with some 良い日本語 or this thread will be plunged into hades forever

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>>19317088
Nihon was created by Izanagi, get out of here you savage barbarian