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Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:24:54 2018 No.18923519 [Reply] [Original]

This thread is for the discussion and learning of the Japanese language for people who want to consume untranslated otaku media.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the Guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:
http://djtguide.neocities.org/
Check the Cornucopia of Resources before asking where to download X or Y:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html

Previous thread: DJT #1923 >>18910184

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:26:28 2018 No.18923525 Okay OP you forgot the subject.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:27:01 2018 No.18923529 File: 72 KB, 661x620, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] important message to all flashcard users (subsあり) https://streamable.com/qp6s6

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:28:06 2018 No.18923534 File: 107 KB, 257x610, 1509263719032.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18923525 Sorry...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:28:13 2018 No.18923536 >>18923519 >reading the English version of underwater ray romano Absolute 110% plebeian.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:28:24 2018 No.18923537

So I've found myself at the point where I can pronounce out loud most Japanese sentences without outside assistance fairly easily (as in, I can recognize kanji and identify what they mean by themselves reasonably well) but I have trouble fully grasping what the sentence actually means all put together. Where do I go from here? Unlike kanji, there's no easy resource to look up what certain grammar structures mean so I find myself going through raw manga extremely slowly without even being sure if the meaning I'm getting is correct.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:29:19 2018 No.18923551 >>18923537 Read real text, you will never learn Japanese with manga, which are made for children.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:29:20 2018 No.18923550 >>18923534 youre not sorry youre intentionally triggering so many autists and spergs and i personally support you

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:30:31 2018 No.18923555 >>18923536 isnt calling it that gaijin meme shit just as incriminating for you

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:30:50 2018 No.18923560 >一撃 Jisho: 1. blow; hit; poke 大辞泉: 1回の打撃または攻撃を加えること。ひとうち。 Wow

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:30:57 2018 No.18923562
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>>18923551
If I can't comfortably read the grammar structures in things made for literal children I'm not sure how moving onto things presumably more advanced will be a good idea.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:31:58 2018 No.18923570 >>18923560 yeah whats the problem blow is completely fine

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:33:21 2018 No.18923578 >>18923560 but can you tell me what the fuck a 出撃 is >>18923562 dont argue about that shit just do what you do youre doing a good job dont let people tell you to do things that you know are foolish be fuckin tekitona otoko junji takada

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:40:34 2018 No.18923606 >>18923537 Watch lots of anime

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:43:31 2018 No.18923621 >>18923537 put tyler kim on speed dial and hit that ninja up for all your particle problems

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 00:36:41 2018 No.18923923

>>18923537
>there's no easy resource to look up what certain grammar structures mean
I've been going quite well with just googling "Japanese grammar [grammar concept]". Usually lead to stackexchange. I'm sure you've tried DoJG or HBJG, do you have any problems with those?

I don't have problems understanding what certain grammatical structures mean at the moment, but I can't really remember what they mean later on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 00:39:22 2018 No.18923935 File: 57 KB, 280x305, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tell me pic related is not saying they're going on a ~10 months long hiatus. That...that can't be, right? Context: a special chapter of an online comic, opens with this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 00:41:25 2018 No.18923946 >>18923935 He's saying it's their first hiatus in about 10 months.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 00:44:50 2018 No.18923965 >>18923946 Oh thank fuck. Now that I think about it, that's what the ぶり is for, isn't it. [amount of time]ぶり essentially means "it's been [amount of time]". My mistakes are so obvious in hindsight. Thank you, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 02:11:25 2018 No.18924378 File: 691 KB, 1366x768, c1 grand prix.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are your reasons for becoming a monk? I just wanted to play this old ass racing game that's untranslated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 02:13:08 2018 No.18924387 >>18924378 Manga and eroge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 02:36:53 2018 No.18924485 >mtt >nkem*rine >etc Mentioning these names should be a bannable offense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 02:37:12 2018 No.18924488 >>18923560 Look for 灘

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 02:38:23 2018 No.18924495 >>18923519 Every time I see this image I get revived a little.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 02:39:15 2018 No.18924499 >>18924488 >open sea = 風波やうねりが強く、航行の困難な海域。 It's like they weren't even trying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 02:41:57 2018 No.18924511 >>18923537 As far as I can tell learning Japanese grammar is necessary but useless. Every possible thought is expressed with an idiom used for that thought and for nothing else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 02:45:01 2018 No.18924524 >>18924511 >but useless Are you retarded or just a fucking idiot?

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 02:59:23 2018 No.18924573
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>>18924511
This. You should just memorize every sentence with their meaning. Once you get to like 100 you'll be able to watch anime. Start with basic stuff like "amane no baka!" and "hankachi kudasai". The more complex ones are just the simpler ones put together, so you don't have to learn them separately.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:01:25 2018 No.18924765 >>18924378 I secretly dream of doing the 88 shrine pilgrimage in Shikoku

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:09:59 2018 No.18924784

>>18923562
In manga, grammar may be actually more difficult to comprehend for a beginner, because it's very conversational and piecewise. Reading the easier VNs, you'd get sentences proper enough and simple enough. Also, with a text hooker you won't need to look up individual words or kanji. Manga really is not the best reading choice, for pure convenience reasons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:12:44 2018 No.18924796 >>18924784 >Manga really is not the best reading choice It's not a reading choice at all because manga isn't reading.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:17:50 2018 No.18924814 >>18924784 I think the most obvious advantage of manga is that some of them have furigana and that makes looking up words vastly easier. I just found out some novels can have full furigana as well, so I'm moving on to that, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:20:39 2018 No.18924819 >>18924814 If you have text hooker and yomichan you won't need any furigana

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:25:52 2018 No.18924834

>>18924814
Accurate furigana, manually placed by a professional native, makes it easier to read without having to look stuff up in the first place. When you can sound stuff in your head (subconsciously), it's easier to tap into your brain's latent ability to accurately fill in the blanks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:44:07 2018 No.18924874 >>18924796 >manga isn't reading Epic meme my friend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:44:59 2018 No.18924881 So it's better to stick to ofurigana until you're comfortable with it,right? I tried without ofurigana and it only seems to make reading slower and i'm not able to read the sentences in my head as easily

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:46:24 2018 No.18924886 theres no point in being able to pronounce shit if you dont know what it means

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:47:57 2018 No.18924893 File: 115 KB, 600x400, bc5ec24f71c41.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] はいこれはなんですか

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:51:29 2018 No.18924907 >>18924886 Sometimes when I read a Japanese sentence and I don't know how to read it, my entire thought sorta stopped. It felt wrong not to subvocalize when you read, somehow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 04:58:30 2018 No.18924934 File: 8 KB, 621x123, 1521588742536.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 四?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 05:04:54 2018 No.18924961 >>18924893 花火でしょ？

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 05:10:45 2018 No.18924973 >>18924961 ぷーくすくす

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 05:13:31 2018 No.18924981 ツシソン They are all laughing at me

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 05:17:57 2018 No.18924989 >>18924981 Tsu and so are straight. It's that simple.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 05:19:18 2018 No.18924994 >>18924989 Stop being homophobic

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 05:45:29 2018 No.18925058 >>18924981 Learn stroke order.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 06:05:36 2018 No.18925104 >>18923550 I can only hope the gets permabanned. I can't do my reps when angry about the lack of thread titles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 06:09:01 2018 No.18925123 >>18924961 にしゃくにみえる？にしゃくいじょうあるようにみえるかってきいているんだよ

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 06:09:26 2018 No.18925126 How do I find obsucre manga raws? Public sites and Japanese P2P don't have what I want. I have heard trading was pretty big in the past, where do I find people to trade with?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 06:44:46 2018 No.18925241 >>18924934 四コマ漫画

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 06:46:01 2018 No.18925249 >>18925126 You buy them. If they're obscure, the author needs your support a lot more than [popular shounen manga]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 07:05:38 2018 No.18925322 おふろはいろあらうー

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 07:08:48 2018 No.18925331 >>18925126 The worst is when you find the manga but it's too shit quality to read certain pages

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 07:09:41 2018 No.18925336 >>18925322 今回に日届けないところ忘れないようにする、ひらがなちゃん

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 07:16:23 2018 No.18925368 >>18925336 よるがくるそこなしにくる

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 07:27:00 2018 No.18925393 http://kanken.jitenon.jp/ This is your time to shine, by beating this test made for children.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 08:06:16 2018 No.18925496 >>18925393 なんでがいじんがかんけんやるのんすこー

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 08:47:25 2018 No.18925656 あのんにくいずうみがくるといえば？

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 09:06:11 2018 No.18925751 Not using 漢字 in sentences is from now on considered shiposting, so stop itください。

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 09:20:23 2018 No.18925822 >>18925751 糞頭

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 09:31:10 2018 No.18925867 What if the guy that keeps posting on hiragana only is an elite nihonjin that's making fun of us treating us like babies that don't know kanji?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 09:36:42 2018 No.18925891 >>18925751 sorry dude maybe you should learn nihongo instead of kanji offa flashcards

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 09:42:50 2018 No.18925914 Show me a single nihonjin that says, yes, the famicom games mostly not having any kanji at all was great to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 09:44:34 2018 No.18925923 show me a single nihonjim that says they cant read and understand a famicom game

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 09:46:31 2018 No.18925937 File: 17 KB, 244x222, press 2 make ur yumes come true.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] everythings a choice today can be the day you make one that changes your life forever

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 09:48:48 2018 No.18925948 Show me a single nihonjin that says this is a good thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 09:51:39 2018 No.18925960 そんな奴はいねえだろ爆笑

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 10:01:52 2018 No.18926002 show me a single kanji oniichan that doesn't love their dear hiragana imouto

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 10:09:58 2018 No.18926043 show me 少し and i might owe you 少し these bands are waiting and i know you 欲しい

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 10:22:33 2018 No.18926104
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How do I interpret bottom right?
ちっとも似てなんかいないわよ
chittomo nitenanka inai wa yo!
Without that chittomo, I can comprehend the rest of it as "there is nothing similiar between us/we are different, you know!"
The build-up to this dialogue was Megu having fight with her father then in above panel she wonder what same between her and Suigintou. Suigintou retort by saying that she is Father's favourite as oposed to Megu's relation with her father. I'm stuck at that ちっとも

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 10:25:40 2018 No.18926127 >>18926104 Not similar at all

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 10:27:57 2018 No.18926147 >>18926104 have you ever considered looking up ちっとも

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 10:31:32 2018 No.18926168 Another day pretending I can read Japanese by looking up every word with rikai and trying to make sense of those words for three hours

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 10:32:31 2018 No.18926174 >>18926147 http://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n2-grammar-%E3%81%A1%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A8%E3%82%82%EF%BD%9E%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84-chitto-monai/ >>18926127 I guess that's a more fluid way to understand that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 10:36:35 2018 No.18926194 >>18926174 im looking for a dialogue here not for you to post a link at me some engagement on your part so i can help you understand also its infused with a little more oomph than that so "not even a little alike" is prolly a better way to look at it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 10:52:51 2018 No.18926274 >>18926194 Ah sorry, I was suppose to said thank you in that post but it got overwritten by that link. By posting that link I took your suggestion that I should search for that word first before asking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 10:58:06 2018 No.18926309 >>18926168 it makes you wonder why they dont just use google translate instead it does all that for them complete with the garbled misinterpretation part >>18926274 oh well good job dude keep it up

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:19:17 2018 No.18927206 >>18923519 where the fuck is the title you kusobaka

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:24:20 2018 No.18927250 File: 35 KB, 546x432, 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what is this and why is it polluting the manga collection?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:29:42 2018 No.18927279 who are you and why are you polluting the thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:39:38 2018 No.18927329 >Tfw when you learned why he's called Pac-Man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:42:11 2018 No.18927346 For words like 新学期(しんがっき) whose pronunciation has a っ, is it consistent which kanji the っ is attached to? And if so, which one, the former or latter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:53:26 2018 No.18927403 >>18927346 学　期がくきがっき

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:54:01 2018 No.18927408 >>18927403 ありがとう

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:10:27 2018 No.18927493 Learning Japanese! Woo!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:19:14 2018 No.18927547 I found out about this weird alternative learning style known as AJATT and apparently the creator of AJATT called Khatzumoto is pretty based and fluent in the language. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejRkuX1RGf4 Here's his channel, what do you think?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:19:41 2018 No.18927550 I passed the N2 4.5 months ago. I do my reps every day. I read every day. What more can I do to be sure I'll pass the N1 this December?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:20:50 2018 No.18927558 >>18927550 Relax. Start breathin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:21:34 2018 No.18927564 >>18927558 Check and check.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:22:18 2018 No.18927566 >>18927547 >Nigger It's a scam.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:23:54 2018 No.18927577 >>18927550 I also passed N1 a year after N2. Get the Shin Kanzen Master books for grammar and reading (maybe listening as well, but I didn't need that). Other than that, read a lot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:24:02 2018 No.18927579 >>18927566 please take yourself and your bizarre beliefs back to /pol/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:27:46 2018 No.18927599 >>18927579 Thank you for the suggestion but I don't like /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:30:30 2018 No.18927613 >>18927579 >bizarre beliefs

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:31:39 2018 No.18927618 >>18927577 How did you score on each of them, if you don't mind me asking?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:33:05 2018 No.18927625 >分 (ふん) >分゛（ぶん） >分゜（ぷん） Why isn't this a thing? 半分゛十分゜ So much easier to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:34:09 2018 No.18927631 >>18927618 172/180 in the N2 (60/52/60, winter 2014), 137/180 in the N1 (40/48/49, winter 2015)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:35:42 2018 No.18927637 >>18927625 Is ugly

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:38:41 2018 No.18927664 File: 41 KB, 640x634, 1525113521036.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18927631 Shit. 115/180 on the N2 in Winter 2017 I don't remember my individual scores, but I know I was one point away from failure on the reading section

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:46:50 2018 No.18927711 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_qe_a29eHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsY3zY6ToLk Can you read this without having to pause? I couldn't do it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:59:57 2018 No.18927811 >>18927711 Yeah easily. Just keep practicing my man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:10:17 2018 No.18927897 what do you call the covers they give you at bookstores in Japan to hide your manga so you can read your disgusting otaku shit in public?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:13:44 2018 No.18927932 僕なにしてんの?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:16:00 2018 No.18927949 File: 147 KB, 1093x1600, スティーブ･ジョブズ_1_021.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18927250 It's a diverse collection. https://my.mixtape.moe/ntrgdc.mp4

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:18:22 2018 No.18927968 >>18927897 it's literally "book cover", in katakana https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%96%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:19:46 2018 No.18927978 >>18927897 >>18927968 I thought it was 書皮

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:20:29 2018 No.18927984 >聞かされて is this to hear verb + passive version of する + shortened ある ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:20:43 2018 No.18927987 >>18927968 thanks a lot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:21:25 2018 No.18927992 >>18927978 look that up on Wikipedia, it redirects to ブックカバー

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:22:28 2018 No.18928000 >>18927992 >中国語では書皮と表記するため、「書皮（しょひ）」という呼び方をすることがある。

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:25:36 2018 No.18928021 >>18927566 ダメよ

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:27:28 2018 No.18928043 ニコニコ仮面　恐るべし

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:28:31 2018 No.18928053 >>18925331 But you can't read manga in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:35:23 2018 No.18928097 File: 137 KB, 1254x923, 009.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18928053 I'm not talking about the comic book itself, but text pages like this

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:40:50 2018 No.18928125 >>18928097 I hope you're not implying that is challenging to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:45:32 2018 No.18928149 >>18925331 The worst is when you BUY the manga digitally but it's shittier quality than a scan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:47:00 2018 No.18928157 File: 152 KB, 500x516, 1505223444744.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >when you fill your daily mining quota in mere 20 pages of a manga

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:48:21 2018 No.18928170 >>18928157 Feels good. Now keep reading

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:50:11 2018 No.18928179 >>18928170 Nah, I'm done when I have my 15 words.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:53:00 2018 No.18928197 >>18928179 Do you mine indiscriminately?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:53:18 2018 No.18928198 File: 148 KB, 1280x720, 0006.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18928157 >>18928179 Good, this is your fortune. >努力は報われない Don't overdo it bro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:56:00 2018 No.18928210 >>18928179 You won't make it

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:56:18 2018 No.18928214
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>>18928179
That's too low. You should do 20 words a day at least, because I say so. And stopping because you reach some number is stupid. Stop only when you're physically exhausted in some way (because then diminishing returns kick in)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:01:33 2018 No.18928240 whats the difference between は and が

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:02:13 2018 No.18928245 >>18928197 I grab most things that seem worthwhile. >>18928198 I won't read that because it'd give at least one word to be mined. >>18928214 No, I'm too busy to spend all day doing anki.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:08:31 2018 No.18928266 Dig into your flesh and pull out a lymph gland. Now give it a squeeze and watch the spring of lymph spout out of it. -->

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:14:37 2018 No.18928295 99% of nihongo learners don't even know pitch of こと and もの.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:17:03 2018 No.18928313 Is it just me or is this thread slightly more cancerous than usual today

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:18:30 2018 No.18928319 >>18928295 Pitch is a meme anyways, every region in Japan pronounces things differently. Plus you'll never 100% get rid of your foreign accent anyways so it's a pure waste of time to learn pitch.

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:19:46 2018 No.18928329

>>18928240
は adds things to the context, が marks the grammatical subject of the sentence.
Japanese sentences can leave out the subject if it's obvious from context, so it might seem like は and が do the same thing, but they're actually completely different.

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>>18928149
Unless it is a cheap 400~500円単行本 from a weekly published series, most of the time this is not the case. The stereotype surrounding digital manga being poor quality mostly comes from poor quality direct rips from websites using copyright/drm bypassing software and from readers who have extremely limited experience with manga and base average non-digital scan quality based on the minority excessively large scans of well known series.
Foreigners/learners have unrealistic standards, often expecting scanned or digital products to be multitudes higher quality than the physical product. To achieve the same image size and fidelity level with the physical manga I own to that of what some anons online demand as a minimum standard for raws, it would require direct overhead lighting with a powerful magnifying glass.
The quality of most 650~860円 range 単行本 ebooks nowdays is higher than the majority of public raw scans. Kadokawa's book walker service that most publishers are using in some way has made leaps and bounds over the past few years.
Poor quality digital manga tend to come from those magazines who opt for cheaper, more frequently published tanks and use their own in-house solutions that are primarily avaliable as an in-browser or mobile application paid service which straight up resells the product as a 単行本. These are sold in the same digital marketplace as other manga but are really an entirely different beast. Pic related is an example of a full priced digital volume and one of these cheap tanks. Cheap, weekly manga vs monthly series. Those cheaper Jump, et al. manga aimed at kids also have a history of being printed cheaply as well.

While it depends on what you are reading, for the most part the canard over digital manga is outdated at best.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:20:42 2018 No.18928338 >>18928295 That shit is intuitive as hell.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:20:49 2018 No.18928339 >>18928319 >Plus you'll never 100% get rid of your foreign accent anyways so it's a pure waste of time to learn pitch. http://www.antimoon.com/other/myths-foraccent.htm

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:25:45 2018 No.18928380 >>18928339 Just because some people can kind of hide their shitty accents while speaking English doesn't mean that (You) can do the same with Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:26:57 2018 No.18928386 >>18928380 Now explain the russian(?) girl that became a japanese seiyuu without any noticable accent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:27:09 2018 No.18928389 >>18928380 Why do you feel like you to have to drag people into the same hole you are in just because you can't learn japanese?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:30:30 2018 No.18928413 >>18928386 You'd need special vocal talent to become a seiyuu in the first place, so there you go. >>18928389 Okay, record yourself speaking Japanese then and I'll judge your pitch perfect accent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:32:35 2018 No.18928424 >>18928413 https://vocaroo.com/i/s0oH7kLMCqtd

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:34:55 2018 No.18928435 >>18928424 Decent effort, but you still sound like some anime gaijin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:35:25 2018 No.18928439 I can see myself recognizing kanjis with years of reading but is it necessary to be able to write them by hand?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:36:58 2018 No.18928444 >>18928435 Good, that means I'm doing it right

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:39:53 2018 No.18928458 >>18928439 If you can't write, you're functionally illiterate. You might not care about that, but it's still true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:42:42 2018 No.18928475 >>18928439 Do you live outside Japan? Then no, not at all. Do you want to move to Japan? No, not a required skill. Do you live in Japan? Could be helpful, if you have the spare time, go for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:45:31 2018 No.18928494 >>18928439 >>18928458 Aside from official documents and writing their newborn kids name in calligraphy, even japs don't need it aside from school. You mostly use a computer or phone to write anyways. But writing is fun you should try it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:45:53 2018 No.18928497 would writing kanji help with getting the grasp of them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:45:57 2018 No.18928499 >>18928439 >I can see myself recognizing kanjis with years you'll just confuse all the similar looking ones like mad if you don't actually learn them properly by writing

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:47:39 2018 No.18928509 >>18928458 But do you actually need to handwrite outside of official documents you'll probably write at home? >>18928475 Thinking about working in japan some time as a programmer in the future. >>18928494 This is what I wanted to know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:49:22 2018 No.18928522 >>18928509 Can you deal with the shame of having to ask another person to write something for you when you DO need something handwritten?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:51:42 2018 No.18928535 >>18928522 Maybe I could write it in my phone and then copy the kanjis?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:53:43 2018 No.18928546 >>18928535 Maybe not if you have any self respect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:54:36 2018 No.18928555 >>18928535 Look up stroke order of whatever you want to write instead of trying to copy it your own way, but sure, that would work. As a programmer there's not much handwriting though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:00:48 2018 No.18928587 should i write the words in romanjis first before kanjis

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:01:27 2018 No.18928590

Is there's a concept in kanji where those who uses the same radical (or component) have the same on-yomi. Like 誠成城歳 all have せい as their on. Is there a name for this kind of 'thing'? I could've sworn there was, but I'm not good enough to google for what I wanted.

Should've learned to produce better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:06:44 2018 No.18928610 >>18928590 形声文字?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:13:08 2018 No.18928634 Trying to buy stuff and I see this. バラ売りは対応出来ません。 Does anyone have any idea what this means? I'm stumped and literal doesn't make much sense to me?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:14:54 2018 No.18928641 >>18928634 Link the product.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:16:19 2018 No.18928650 >>18928634 Not sold separately.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:16:20 2018 No.18928651 日本人の97%の凡人はどうせ英語なんかやっても無理だよ。

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:16:24 2018 No.18928652 >>18928641 https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k299986696

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:17:25 2018 No.18928656 >>18928590 Mattvsjapan has a video on this

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:17:26 2018 No.18928657 >>18928650 That makes sense now, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:18:50 2018 No.18928664 >>18928656 >making a whole video about phonetic radicals

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:19:06 2018 No.18928665 >>18928656 Who the fuck cares

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:19:44 2018 No.18928670 >>18928656 Then why don't you watch it and tell me what it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:41:26 2018 No.18928828 File: 188 KB, 1242x912, 1503864828011.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] New volume of Yotsuba got delivered today

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:43:21 2018 No.18928836 >>18928828 Now rip it apart, scan the pages and upload to nyaa

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:47:40 2018 No.18928871 >>18928836 Think I'll just go ahead and read it for myself without doing any of that instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:54:09 2018 No.18928904 >>18928871 Good man. Proud of you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:56:12 2018 No.18928914 that yotuba i just cant get enough of that mental lil girl

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:20:24 2018 No.18929113

>>18928497
yes, of course. synthesis is always more difficult than analysis, and by writing kanji you memorize better what parts the kanji are made of, so you can recognize them better later.
but I wouldn't practise writing kanji without any real reason (e.g. writing the same kanji 100 times in a sheet just for the sake of writing it). I'd go complete the exercises of genki and write the answers with kanji or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:29:49 2018 No.18929171 I just got blitzkrieged by the Germans: What the fuck is a 急降下爆撃

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:33:44 2018 No.18929186 >>18929171 something that happens after a 出撃 but before a 反撃 my ninja

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:42:07 2018 No.18929228 >>18929171 When you pitch down the aircraft and change your flight direction towards the target, so that you can aim your bombs better compared to dropping them during a level flight when you can't even see target properly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:24:01 2018 No.18929434 File: 207 KB, 700x1000, 62177350_p2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's that thing before 歳 supposed to be?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:25:49 2018 No.18929442 >>18929434 17

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:28:28 2018 No.18929455 >>18929442 Wow I feel dumb for not considering that. Thanks for the help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:29:27 2018 No.18929459 >>18929434 im surprised you can read that busted ass 飛 but not the number 17 dude

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:34:07 2018 No.18929496 >>18929459 I kept seeing it as ク with a line next to it. Never seen a 7 with a line at the top.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:35:39 2018 No.18929507 >晩 >evening >昨晩 >last night

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:37:43 2018 No.18929527 >>18929507 whats ur issue

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:39:55 2018 No.18929548 >>18929527 I think he means to say that evening and night are not the same thing, there is a nuance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:40:37 2018 No.18929553 >この先 >after this >この後 >after this

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:41:17 2018 No.18929558 >>18929553 whats ur'e issue

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:48:19 2018 No.18929587
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>>18928335
I don't know about you, bust most manga I want to buy has pretty terrible quality on digital stores. I don't consider a scan or rip's resolution even acceptable unless it's at least 300dpi, because otherwise normal scan patterns are still fucked up, even with a proper scan, let alone the blurry filtered ones they upload half the time. That's more than 1920 pixels tall for manga printed on B6-ish sized paper.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:49:01 2018 No.18929591 File: 544 KB, 1125x1600, 00006.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18929587 Blurry filtered ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:49:42 2018 No.18929595 todays nihongo word of the day is 猛攻 check back tomorrow for the next nihongo word of the day

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:50:03 2018 No.18929596 File: 710 KB, 1352x1920, 00011.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18929591 1920 pixels tall.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:51:05 2018 No.18929599 ちんぽきた！ちんぽきたああああ！！

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:52:19 2018 No.18929604 File: 140 KB, 720x1024, 00010.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18929596 Yozakura Quartet isn't barely even 150dpi, but at least it was, somehow, against all odds, downscaled by someone who understands what the word "low pass" means.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:53:35 2018 No.18929611 >>18929599 触ってみて

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:55:23 2018 No.18929621 File: 134 KB, 815x1280, 00005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18929604 ながされて藍蘭島 is STILL sold as 1280 pixel scans. This series has 30 fucking volumes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:57:21 2018 No.18929631 いちいちうるっせえよ

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:58:27 2018 No.18929640 File: 659 KB, 1350x1920, 00004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18929621 Sometimes they're sold as 1920 pixel images but they're so blurry they might as well be upscales from 1280 pixels.

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 20:00:56 2018 No.18929645
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>>18929640
Sometimes they're not obviously blurry but still filtered as fuck. I have no idea why they do this. Does it make downscaling look better on terrible devices? I have no idea.

Anyway, not a single manga I've bought or downloaded the sample from (it's always the same resolution) from kind has been larger than 1920 pixels tall. I don't know if that's Amazon imposing an arbitrary limitation, but even if it is, the fact is that digital manga quality is still bad. People don't read whatever happens to have a large resolution, they read whatever they're interested in reading.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 20:01:37 2018 No.18929647 >>18929595 thx bud

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 20:02:31 2018 No.18929650 >>18929611 大きね。もうこんなに硬いの。中に入れて。。早く。。早く！

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 20:05:30 2018 No.18929662 File: 51 KB, 599x435, bb0f2a48.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 20:32:26 2018 No.18929760 >>18929650 お前のマンコ臭いなしかもケツ穴だぞとりあえず口でやれそのbeckyもらうぜ >>18929662 すべてはここからさ

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 20:48:43 2018 No.18929834

>>18929645
Oh yeah, one last note, you can guesstimate what resolution range a series has on Amazon by looking at the number of pages and the filesize. This is, of course, thrown off by filtering and whether it has scan patterns or gradient shading, but it's close within a quality bracket or so.

1024
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00A2MD7OC
36625 KB / 207 pages = 176.93 KB/page

1280
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B073QQ9K6H
52902 KB / 200 pages = 264.51 KB/page

1600
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B015IHDQEG
64579 KB / 125 pages = 516.63 KB/page

1920
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0792QTDLV
82685 KB / 126 pages = 656.23 KB/page

That's about 3940 KB per square pixel by the way (with 182:128 aspect ratio images). Assuming that the filesize measurements on the store pages are accurate. Which they're not. Amazon's digital version of 雨天の盆栽 is like 44 billion bytes or 42900 KB, the store page says it's like 49051 KB.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 20:56:24 2018 No.18929874 Started reading One Piece today and it's pretty fun, finally I'll be able to use pirate-related vocabulary! How many volumes does it last before it turns to shit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 20:59:29 2018 No.18929891 >>18929874 never ill be reading that shit till im 69 if they still makin it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 20:59:52 2018 No.18929893 >>18929874 0

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 21:01:50 2018 No.18929907 Which definition of 付ける is being used in the expression 気を付けて?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 21:04:13 2018 No.18929922 >>18929907 To sew on. To sew on a feeling is an idiomatic expression meaning to take care or to pay attention.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 21:05:55 2018 No.18929927 >>18929907 >seeking meaning in compound verbs Give up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 21:06:05 2018 No.18929928 which definition of 付ける is being used in the expression 火を付けて

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 21:31:19 2018 No.18930045 Which definition of 付ける is being in the expression チンポを君のマンコに付けて?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 21:32:36 2018 No.18930054 >>18929927 Which definition of to give is being used in the expression give up?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 21:36:51 2018 No.18930072 >>18930054 give is the easy one up is the hard there

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 21:44:08 2018 No.18930130 >>18929928 It doesn't matter because that's a set phrase.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 21:46:11 2018 No.18930147 File: 210 KB, 390x501, 1506401323347.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18930072

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 21:48:58 2018 No.18930169 File: 56 KB, 636x562, fgyhr65hg6u.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] minna genki?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 22:05:27 2018 No.18930284 ieei~

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 22:05:49 2018 No.18930287 >>18930169 genkunai

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 22:06:22 2018 No.18930292 >>18930169 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Iw_m-CXywo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 22:07:07 2018 No.18930299 >>18930287 That's not how it works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 22:10:12 2018 No.18930311 >>18930292 良い選択だよーし

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 22:10:19 2018 No.18930312 >>18930299 sorry, genkuarimasen

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 22:15:11 2018 No.18930340 please use proper romanji as to not mislead the younguns

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 22:23:41 2018 No.18930383 >>18930340 romaji*

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 22:26:00 2018 No.18930392 >>18930383 ro卍

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 22:39:43 2018 No.18930436 >>18930392 ローマ字*

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 22:48:21 2018 No.18930464 >>18930436 ロマン痔

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 23:09:42 2018 No.18930583 >>18930436 糞字

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 23:21:23 2018 No.18930632 糞すれ

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 23:44:53 2018 No.18930773 File: 147 KB, 310x264, 1wxi5Ye.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18923519 一年間日本語の習得に専念すれば（即ち、毎日字幕なしアニメを見たり漫画やラノベを読書したりするなど）日本語の母国語人と比べたらばっちりと互角な練度で日本語の認識を達成することが理性的に可能じゃないか

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 23:59:15 2018 No.18930866

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gmVKflu7jM
mentions seeing something about intransitive verbs in japanese on twitter and then

>and even the term intransitive and transitive verbs is kind of confusing, it doesn't help people, I am sure that all the people who had grammar at school in english - people, like, non native speakers of english, who studied english, they were taught about transitive and intransitive verbs - and yet SO many people, y'know, they, it, uh, why is it "I heard you" but "I listen to you"?
>y'know, knowing that one is transitive/intransitive is not gonna help you, you have to get used to the idea that, with the word "year" comes "you", "I hear him" "I hear you", with the word "listen" you can't "listen him", you have to "listen to him", or I can't "say you", I "say to you".

>and so we have to get used to those, ah, structures, as part of phrases.

>uh, you know I often use the example of the third person singular of the present tense in english? everybody knows that...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 00:02:14 2018 No.18930878 >>18930773 いくら勉強しても一年間で母語程度はさすが無理だとおもう。

Anonymous Tue May 1 00:31:38 2018 No.18930990
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In the bottom right bubble, why is 感じだ there?
The translation says "[...], Hide the net from the cicadas", but it looks more like "[...], Is the impression of hiding the net from the cicadas"

What function does 感じだ have here?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 00:45:47 2018 No.18931058 >>18930990 https://kotobank.jp/word/感じ-469956 >感じ >4 その物事に特有の雰囲気。 "do in the way like ~" みたいな感じ「…セミからアミを隠す感じだ(=感じでやりなさい)」

Anonymous Tue May 1 00:58:58 2018 No.18931098

>>18929928
https://kotobank.jp/word/付ける・着ける・附ける・点ける・跟ける-330989
>付ける
>4-2 ある現象・活動などがあらわれるようにする。

you can also use the kanji 点 instead of 付,
"火を点けて"
and you can also say "点火(てんか)して."

I think learning two verbs for a same action in 訓読み and 音読み sometimes helps you to remember both words' meanings and kanjis (with their readings.)
E.g. 入店(にゅうてん)する = 店に入る
下山(げざん)する = 山を下(くだ)る、山を下(お)りる
殺菌(さっきん)する = 菌を殺す

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 01:11:59 2018 No.18931138 >>18927984 聞かす is one word which is same as 聞かせる(聞か+せる) 聞かされる = 聞かさ (ない-form('s stem) of 聞かす) + れる, means passive version of 聞かす. て is added after it so 聞かされる becomes 聞かされて.

Anonymous Tue May 1 01:20:48 2018 No.18931170

>>18928439
There is one thing about japanese writing. It has two systems - kana and kanji - which are interchangeable in most cases. Writing everything in kana isn't considered grammatically wrong and it's highly unlikely that will write something confusing because of lack of kanjis. And of course since you're gaijin no one would be concerned.with it. So no, being able to write kanjis is even necessary for writing by hand at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 01:46:55 2018 No.18931246 Please recommend some good game 実況者s for listening practice. The ones I used to watch have mostly switched to terrible battle royale games and lifestyle videos and I've lost interest in them.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 02:33:17 2018 No.18931415 I like how many words concerning evening or dusk I have in my anki deck.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 02:41:43 2018 No.18931447 Should I feel bad that my visual novel is taking, and will take a long time to read to the end?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 03:46:22 2018 No.18931635 >>18931246 fujimaro, 弟者, ノブ, ひらめ, タイショウ. They're all guys though. Just look up the name of a game you'd want to watch and see whose played it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 04:54:26 2018 No.18931838 >>18931447 Want me to tell you if it's okay to breath aswell while I'm on it?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 04:55:14 2018 No.18931840 >>18931447 No. Now shut the fuck up and keep reading. The only bad thing you can do is give up.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 05:27:44 2018 No.18931990 Is it okay if I breathe?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 05:31:58 2018 No.18932003 >>18931990 >breathing >ever never gonna make it

Anonymous Tue May 1 06:25:54 2018 No.18932175

>started learning Japanese 3 days ago
>mastered the kana, feeling enthusiastic as I boot up core2k
>second word is 一つ or "ひとつ", expect it to sound like "hitotsu" like I learned but the speaker mushes it together so it sounds like "shto tsu"
>the speakers continue to clip sounds, mash them together and speak at rapid fire pace.
>realize that the kanji are going to represent completely different sounds in every different word and usage
>everything is a combination of the same dozen sounds

I can't learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 06:29:01 2018 No.18932186 >>18932175 I have no idea what you're trying to say with this post and why you thought it was a good thing to post in the first place

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 06:37:20 2018 No.18932226 >>18932186 He's 3 days into learning and thought that what he imagined the words sound like from the romaji transcription would perfectly match the pronunciation of a native speaker.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 06:40:37 2018 No.18932239 >>18923534 I like how this could be used for /fit/ responses too. You are doing your daily exercise, right j/a/ypee? Studies show improvements in overall cognition and memory.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 06:59:13 2018 No.18932321 Can I force new cards for the day in anki to show up before reviews? It's fucking retarded to have a new card at the end of the daily session repeat after you see it for the first time because it's the only thing left to review.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 07:04:48 2018 No.18932345 >>18932321 Nevermind, found it in the preferences. Thought it'd be in the deck options.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 07:26:16 2018 No.18932440 Where can I get the japaneselevelup decks for free? Cant really afford to pay 120 for that... (and I dont know if its worth it)

Anonymous Tue May 1 07:34:34 2018 No.18932479

>>18932175
>Actually listening to the voice clips
>not already knowing how Japanese sounds like from anime

>>realize that the kanji are going to represent completely different sounds in every different word and usage
That's an overstatement. They're not all completely different, and some of them are actually somewhat consistent.

>>everything is a combination of the same dozen sounds
This one is a bitch during listening.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 07:51:25 2018 No.18932551 >>18932440 It's not worth it, and you don't need it to learn japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:15:53 2018 No.18932670 >ながされて藍蘭島あれこれおもしろそうよんでみたい

Anonymous Tue May 1 08:16:43 2018 No.18932672
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Has anyone tried learning one more language in parallel with Japanese? Would it be too difficult?
I'd been studying German for a few years in school instead of English, but I've forgotten most of it by now. I only remember some basic grammar and a couple hundred words.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:18:51 2018 No.18932682 >>18932672 I dont think you can learn 2 languages at the same time if you fail to even learn 1.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:19:16 2018 No.18932685 >>18932672 すごーい

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:19:19 2018 No.18932686 >>18932672 Hmm sag du es mir.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:19:57 2018 No.18932689 >>18932672 Why would you learn that useless language.

Anonymous Tue May 1 08:25:44 2018 No.18932708
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I'm pretty good at both Japanese and another language that I'm supposed to be getting a language exam in. Problem is, that given the choice of spending x amount of time, I'd always spend it on just consuming Japanese media, never on the other language.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:26:19 2018 No.18932713 >>18932689 So I can talk to my waifu Asuka in both of her languages in my head.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:26:49 2018 No.18932716 >>18932689 It's quite ironic coming from someone studying Japanese, isn't it? >>18932682 "Fail"? Do I suck at English that much?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:28:08 2018 No.18932721 >>18932716 My dick doesn't find nihongo useless.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:28:35 2018 No.18932727 >>18932716 >Do I suck at English that much? Now you do.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:30:28 2018 No.18932738 >>18932727 There's nothing wrong with what you quoted.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:31:57 2018 No.18932744 >>18932738 I didn't imply anywhere that the question itself was wrong. I was referring to the fact that he failed to understand >>18932682

Anonymous Tue May 1 08:41:21 2018 No.18932776

>>18932744
What you said could be interpreted in two ways.
I had a lot of doubts about the use of past perfect in my previous post, so I just assumed I made a mistake and you were referring to that mistake.
I didn't "fail" to learn German, I just never really studied it properly because I wasn't interested in it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 08:59:28 2018 No.18932855 File: 57 KB, 774x673, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 09:16:52 2018 No.18932941 今日は釣りに行く

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 09:21:05 2018 No.18932961 >>18932941 つれたらたべるの？

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 09:25:33 2018 No.18932978 いっぱいたべるぜ

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 09:40:28 2018 No.18933078 私のオマンコもいっぱい食べてね

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 09:49:34 2018 No.18933131 いらねえよそんなの

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:00:13 2018 No.18933192 けつまんこは嫌だよ

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:02:57 2018 No.18933202 そのbeckyを

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:13:14 2018 No.18933266 それゆえ、見よ、わたしは今、あなたが戯れたすべての愛人たちや、あなたが恋した者や、憎んだ者をすべて寄せ集め、彼らを四方から集めて、あなたの裸を彼らにさらけ出し、彼らにあなたの裸をすっかり見せよう。

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:16:21 2018 No.18933281 >>18933266 正気か

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:17:54 2018 No.18933292 そっか

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:28:46 2018 No.18933360 そう

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:30:50 2018 No.18933379 ソーダですか

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:32:57 2018 No.18933397 >>18933379 炭酸ジュースです

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:33:59 2018 No.18933406 ソぅーダ

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:42:24 2018 No.18933452 みんなイエスについてどう思いますか

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:48:09 2018 No.18933493 File: 52 KB, 321x460, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >still no Yotsubato raws

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:51:12 2018 No.18933509 >>18933452 彼は俺達の罪の為に亡くなった、とってもありがたいです

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:52:30 2018 No.18933515 File: 150 KB, 1280x720, far cry 5 YES.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18933452 没落が来ます。

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 11:17:14 2018 No.18933683 >>18933452 いいバンドだ

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 11:44:23 2018 No.18933854 >want to read seinen mango >it's all samurai trash or salaryman trash fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 11:45:54 2018 No.18933864 >>18933854 That's what you get for even considering """"reading"""" manga in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:08:51 2018 No.18933969 >>18924378 I'm studying to become a teacher and they have international exchange programs for teachers after you graduate. They have translators for candidates but I want to know Japanese before I even graduate so I can be independent over there.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:11:07 2018 No.18933977 What sites do Japanese people visit for pirated manga? English sites for raw manga sucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:11:10 2018 No.18933979 >>18933969 Are you a burger?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:13:06 2018 No.18933988 >>18933854 >spend years learning Japanese >realize that Japanese media is trash Welcome to the club.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:17:04 2018 No.18934008 >>18933988 >i've watched 50 animes and read 20 mangos so i already know all that japanese media has to offer

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:18:29 2018 No.18934013 >>18933977 japanese don't pirate

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:20:02 2018 No.18934021 >>18934008 That's a good number tho, you can tell anime is shit watching 50 animes

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:20:27 2018 No.18934022 >>18934013 >island nation >no pirating It has always activated my almonds.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:21:38 2018 No.18934035 File: 33 KB, 480x271, 686d12cb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18933977 盗みはダメです。最近日本の国会でも議題になったけど。お金を払って現物か、電子版を買う。または、internet cafeに行って読む。日本に行ったらinternet cafeがおすすめ。

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:22:47 2018 No.18934043 >>18934022 >bitches don't know about my bushido morals and yamato damashii

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:25:21 2018 No.18934054 >>18934035 盗みって言っても別に減るもんじゃないだろ

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:26:11 2018 No.18934061 >>18933979 'Merica born and raised

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:27:21 2018 No.18934067 What is the best VN for a first timer who knows like 2K words

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:28:26 2018 No.18934070 >>18934008 ive watched over 800 animes read over 420 mangas and read over 69 visual games and i can tell you 2d is fuckin straight gomi compared to telebi bamgumis and doramas >>18934067 最果てのイマ

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:29:39 2018 No.18934078 >>18934067 Kajiri Kamui Kagura

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:30:24 2018 No.18934082 >>18934067 muramasa

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:31:59 2018 No.18934094 >>18934082 one day, I will climb that mountain

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:36:47 2018 No.18934118 >>18934013 Yeah, that's why anime torrents never have Japanese IPs seeding/leeching in them... oh wait

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:36:56 2018 No.18934120 >>18934067 otome domain

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:39:19 2018 No.18934132 >>18934035 I have many raw volumes at home that I've bought but I can't really bring them anywhere, that's why I'm asking where I can find a quick way to read on the go. It doesn't have to be a illegal way.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:46:50 2018 No.18934178 >>18934132 Honto has many free and cheap digital shit, but I've only ever ordered physical from them

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:48:38 2018 No.18934192 What Japanese podcasts does the thread listen to?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 12:52:10 2018 No.18934221 the weekly flashcard podcast

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:10:18 2018 No.18934327 >嫁入りして外に出た母さんの兄が２人の父親、俺の伯父にあたる人だ。 (it's about protagonist's cousins) I don't quite get the 嫁入りして外に出た describing the uncle guy, can anyone tell me what's going on here?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:12:22 2018 No.18934345 >>18934327 lets start with 嫁入りする

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:15:59 2018 No.18934369 >>18934345 To get married. I get this much, I have no idea what does it have to do with 外に出る. He became a father without getting married or something?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:21:23 2018 No.18934406 >>18934369 so then you understand when its 嫁入りして because you read tyler kim like a good boy so lets move on to 外に出た母さん actually lets just start with 外

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:23:24 2018 No.18934427 >>18934406 Outside.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:24:04 2018 No.18934433 >>18934427 but what does that mean

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:25:29 2018 No.18934447 >>18934433 Not in the place/state of? As in "mother who went out of something"?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:26:55 2018 No.18934460 >>18934447 what happens when a lady gets married

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:27:51 2018 No.18934468 >>18934460 She becomes a wife?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:28:40 2018 No.18934480 >>18934468 but she becomes part of something now right

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:29:48 2018 No.18934491 >>18934480 Family?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:31:20 2018 No.18934500 >>18934480 >>18934491 Mother who came from outside of the family, but now she is part of the family, because she got married?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:31:32 2018 No.18934505 >>18934491 shes got a new one of those now right shes still got the old one but thats not her place anymore right

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:32:35 2018 No.18934518 >>18934500 dont force the word "outside" its fuckin you up

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:36:35 2018 No.18934556 >>18934518 >>18934505 I guess I'm retarded, I have no idea where to go from here. The "mother who came in from another family" is the only thing I can think of.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:40:30 2018 No.18934587 >>18934556 why do you think its like that

Anonymous Tue May 1 13:40:33 2018 No.18934589

>>18934067
There is none. Just read what you wanted to read and drop it if you don't find it enjoyable. Even if you wanted to read something hard (and there are only a few vns that fit the category) you will not be able to read it even with a dictionary since you will get bored with reading for a good hour one scene describing the sky.

Anonymous Tue May 1 13:45:54 2018 No.18934620

>>18934587
As in "what erroneous thought process caused you to think of that" or are you trying to stimulate my dead brain cells to figure it out? If it's the latter, hell, I don't know, people usually marry into different families, not sure why would they point it out.

Anonymous Tue May 1 13:46:03 2018 No.18934622

>>18934067
2k words is not enough in order to read comfortably, you'll just end up mining 9 out of every 10 words, and eventually burn out like most people who do that. It's recommended in this general to wait until 3k words in order to read comfortably.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:47:25 2018 No.18934629 not this again...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:50:20 2018 No.18934651 File: 779 KB, 1023x768, 001.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18934094 Isn't even that good..I also believed this threads hype of it for a long time but now I can judge it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:54:11 2018 No.18934690 >>18934629 >polls and science unanimously support 3k >still bitch when it's pointed out さすが, lowercase君

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:54:19 2018 No.18934693 >>18934651 It's probably the best VN. But best doesn't necessarily mean "good".

Anonymous Tue May 1 13:55:07 2018 No.18934702

>>18934589
why not just read one of the many visual games thats about nothing but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNBUzzoNDfY

>>18934620
well ultimately i was going to tell you to select reading material at a lower level and link unko chan for the umpteenth time but lets try to figure out how to marry these two together

嫁入りして and 外に出た母さん

you said you know understand 嫁入りして but do you actually

i just walked you through what 外 means but think over it again in relation to the 俺

theres nothing complicated here writing wise except maybe the ２人の父親 but thats a 別の話

were gonna be here all day till you get it so talk to me

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:55:47 2018 No.18934708 >>18934693 That's extremely subjective. I disagree with that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:56:04 2018 No.18934711 >>18934693 How many VNs have you played?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 13:57:30 2018 No.18934722 >>18934651 Well, I like the other Nitroplus works I've read, so I think I'll like Muramasa.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:00:34 2018 No.18934752 >>18934651 i wouldnt and never have hyped any nitroplus mainstream trash so maybe you can trust me ill never lead you wrong

Anonymous Tue May 1 14:01:42 2018 No.18934764
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>>18934722
Sure go ahead. It's not bad, it's just not as great as everyone in this thread seems to believe.
Maybe that's the reason why I was disappointed in the first place.
Anyhow though I did love Hikaru.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:05:26 2018 No.18934782 >>18934764 Well, I need to learn some Japanese first.

Anonymous Tue May 1 14:07:30 2018 No.18934801

>>18934708
Of course it's subjective but it's the best rated untranslated VN and one of the most appreciated VN in japan. Though I almost always disagree with the general public. I think it's truly a precious gem.
>>18934711
I don't know. Enough to have an idea of what to expect from an average VN and not so many by VN freak standart. I try not to read VNs nowadays, lest I waste time on shit when I have plenty of good works.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:07:36 2018 No.18934802 Hal, are you browsing here?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:08:50 2018 No.18934814 >>18934801 Shut the fuck up and don't try to pretend like you know what you're talking about.

Anonymous Tue May 1 14:09:05 2018 No.18934818

>>18934327
The married mother that divorced and had a brother with 2 fathers, my uncle was the right one.
My guess is that 入り and 出た are exact opposites, so while there is no concrete definition of this conjugation of words I can deduce 外に出た in this case means divorced. With that out of the way, I have no idea what あたる means in the 2nd part neither do I find the に particle fitting, so I gave up on that one.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:12:03 2018 No.18934846 なんてこったぁ

Anonymous Tue May 1 14:12:31 2018 No.18934850

>>18934702
>you said you know understand 嫁入りして but do you actually
I assume it means "by means of"? As in "by means of marriage"?
>theres nothing complicated here writing wise except maybe the ２人の父親 but thats a 別の話
I get the rest and the general gist of the sentence, I just choke on the beginning part.
"My ??? mother's brother is the father of those two"
>i just walked you through what 外 means but think over it again in relation to the 俺
I cannot figure it out after you scolded me for using it for "outside". I guess the に particle makes the protagonist's mother (assuming this is who the entire first part refers to, I still somehow think it's about her brother though) go into this 外 state from some default state, right? As in she was something, but then she went into the 外 state through marriage (married into different family?). It's not her husband's brother, because then they wouldn't be cousins.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:14:25 2018 No.18934870 >>18934818 当たる人 most likely means something along the lines of "equivalent person to." I can't figure out the ２人の父親 though.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:14:59 2018 No.18934878 damn you guys really dont know japanese, huh.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:15:38 2018 No.18934884 >>18934870 I said in the first post >it's about protagonist's cousins He's talking about them, about the two of them. Hell, that's the easy part.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:15:55 2018 No.18934885 >>18934878 You don't even know English.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:15:55 2018 No.18934886 im just fucking dead

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:16:14 2018 No.18934890 File: 443 KB, 1010x563, plh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18934814 Post tsurugi stats or masamune so I would at least know that you aren't a dekinai who have read only the first chapter taking great pains.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:16:34 2018 No.18934892 >>18934878 why would someone who knows japanese still be in the thread for learning japanese

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:17:07 2018 No.18934898 >>18934885 due to my status as a native speaker whatever the fuck I write is english

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:17:35 2018 No.18934903 >>18934892 To teach you.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:20:45 2018 No.18934923 >>18934903 I'm not sure how they would teach me to do my reps

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:20:45 2018 No.18934924 >>18934892 To laugh at you.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:22:10 2018 No.18934941 father of two father of two (people) two(people) of father 二人　の　父親二人の父親

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:24:44 2018 No.18934966 >>18934884 Then here you have it, "The brother of mom, who wed and went outside the family, father of two, is my uncle."

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:27:53 2018 No.18934985 >>18934892 obviously for no reason other than https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXGeyfnjGFo >>18934966 this translation still fuckin sucks but at least its conceptually right i still wana fuckin die

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:29:51 2018 No.18935001 >>18934985 Well, it is a learning thread, would you like to enlighten us by correcting it?

Anonymous Tue May 1 14:31:49 2018 No.18935012

>get past six lessons in Genki I
>can adequately read the sentences while covering the translations
>go to NHK Easy
>...fuck
Maybe it's my piss poor vocabulary count, but how long did you lot cram on grammar rules until you could at least make sense of what you read?

Anonymous Tue May 1 14:32:16 2018 No.18935016

>>18934966
>>18934985
So that's it? I guess I can see the reason for pointing that out just to emphasize the fact that protagonist's mother's father is also a grandfather of his cousins. I still think it's a weird roundabout way of doing that.

Anyway, thanks for making me learn a new phrase, both of you.

Anonymous Tue May 1 14:36:20 2018 No.18935039

>>18935012
Depends on the level of difficulty of what you're reading. But yeah, the problem is probably more related to your lack of vocabulary if you're still at the beginning of Genki. Don't listen to shitters like the lowercase faggot who insists that you should read from the get go. You need decent base vocab in order to read comfortably. Around 3k is when it starts getting more comfortable.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:37:08 2018 No.18935047 >>18935012 1 months max (kae tim is more efficient, sell your genki and buy one of those famed japanese "text" hookers from your local pimp)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:40:01 2018 No.18935068 >>18935039 Who cares when it gets comfortable? You shouldn't hold off from reading just because you don't know anything yet. It's exactly while reading that you learn everything that's not just vocab (but vocab too).

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:41:00 2018 No.18935073 >>18935012 Well duh. Genki has sentences that will only have grammar points that the book already covered.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:41:28 2018 No.18935077 >>18935039 you cant read from the getgo you must watch 10000 hours of english subtitled anime minimum first also it wasnt vocabulary that was this dudes problem >>18934327 and this is the common absolute state of djt so what say you flash card boy

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:41:29 2018 No.18935078 >>18935068 No but it isn't doable at all at 500 vocab, but it certainly starts getting doable around 2k, and comfortable around 3k (for average reading material like news articles). Stop lying saying that reading is doable at less than 1k words.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:43:05 2018 No.18935087 >>18935077 Well I didn't say sacrifice learning grammar in order to learn vocab. I mean, the guy is already going through Genki, so what he needs to do is supplement this with vocab learning.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:48:20 2018 No.18935115 >>18935087 >unironically replying to the favela monkey

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:50:42 2018 No.18935133 >>18935078 >it isn't doable at all at 500 vocab Guess I did the impossible.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:50:56 2018 No.18935137 >>18935115 That guy's australian though

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:51:35 2018 No.18935142 >>18935078 You have got to be kidding me. An NHK easy article is about 300 words max. You could power through it with 0 japanese knowledge if you had the willpower. When I "had 500 vocab" I could already read those articles.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:52:38 2018 No.18935147 >>18935078 I dropped core like 300 words in because it was boring and started reading. It was only "uncomfortable" for like maybe a week.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:54:23 2018 No.18935156 >>18935115 i had to look up what favela means then i looked over at the mirror and me and my reflection laughed our keisters off at your post >>18935137 そして子供みたいに笑った

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:55:15 2018 No.18935161 >>18935147 Does looking up every other word constitute comfort to you?

Anonymous Tue May 1 14:56:07 2018 No.18935167

>>18935039
>>18935073
Must be my lack of vocabulary. Trying to get back on track after a two year hiatus. At the time I already got some vocabulary but I can't say how much I'd recognize on sight. Must be why I managed to read the foreword conversations for each Genki I lesson so well. They had words and kanji I just about know by heart. Though back then I didn't use Genki. Tae Kim. Might use both. Thought that after I got the hang of the te form I'd at least stop stumbling but there's a fuckton of particles out there.

>>18935047
As I said, I'm using both. Tae Kim seems to do things in a different order though. I've yet to figure out which one is "better".

In any case, I'm using two vocabulary decks. One of my own creation that I'm finally adding to for the first time in years (I've been casually doing reps of repeat words, just in case I got back) and the Core 2k/6k deck. The kanji deck...eh, I mainly use that to look for words that have said kanji and add them to my own deck. As far as that deck is concerned either I tend to get either the on reading or meaning right. Hardly both and God knows which one is more important.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 14:57:02 2018 No.18935173 >>18935161 No, which is why that first week was uncomfortable.

Anonymous Tue May 1 15:00:31 2018 No.18935195

>>18935173
Dude, it takes way much more than a week to get comfortable if you're only at 300 vocab. Stop lying on the internet in order to pass yourself off as this prodigy. If you were such a prodigy, you wouldn't be such a NEET and a disappointment to your parents.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:01:34 2018 No.18935202 File: 139 KB, 1271x994, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] are you comfortable enough to read videogame text for children

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:02:57 2018 No.18935211 >>18935202 that's chinese

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:04:30 2018 No.18935223 >>18935195 Reading definitely became a lot less of a chore after about a week in, and I definitely wasn't looking up "every other word" anymore. But sure anon, keep clinging to your 4 months of anki safety blanket.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:04:46 2018 No.18935228 >>18935211 its not fuckin chinese >_<

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:09:34 2018 No.18935246 >>18935202 All of the words and kanji are fairly easy. 湿度 was the only one that was a bit hard to read, the first kanji was barely legible.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:14:45 2018 No.18935275 >ゴム付けてじゃないと Does this mean "if you don't wear rubber", or "you should wear rubber"? What does this sentence mean

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:16:24 2018 No.18935286 >>18935275 why do you think its either of those

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:16:34 2018 No.18935287 >>18935195 You're so fucking stupid. We're doing the opposite, we're saying it doesn't take a genius to do what we did, because look... many of us did it!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:17:29 2018 No.18935293 >>18935287 i dont believe anyone fuckin did anything

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:18:36 2018 No.18935307 >>18935286 >じゃないと reminds me of しないと which means "should" even though it's する negative + と conditional at the end, they are two different things though. So I'd go with if you don't wear rubber since と is at the end

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:20:46 2018 No.18935319 >>18935275 Give more context, friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:22:22 2018 No.18935329 How many hours a day do you read anons?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:23:04 2018 No.18935335 心の声届きますか？

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:23:11 2018 No.18935336 >>18935319 so this guy wants to go raw and the girl says >?! >駄目だヨ >ゴム... >ゴム付けてじゃないと

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:24:46 2018 No.18935345 >>18935275 Those are two separate sentences.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:24:47 2018 No.18935346 >>18935336 Yeah, she's omitting the consequences.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:25:40 2018 No.18935355 >>18935335 http://youtu.be/eWx7gan8PkA#t=45

Anonymous Tue May 1 15:28:48 2018 No.18935372

>>18935287
Exactly, it just proves that this thread is cancer when it comes to the amount of people bullshitting about their accomplishments while still being failures in every aspect of their lives. You wouldn't be here if your learning skills were that refined, you'd be completing some doctorate somewhere. Instead, you chose to be a delusional NEET because that's all you were capable of.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:30:13 2018 No.18935380 >>18935346 so there could be more into this? what else could it mean in different context?

Anonymous Tue May 1 15:30:31 2018 No.18935383

>>18935195
Since I had begun reading I learn EVERY new word that I meet (which, of course, is worth learning) and it started to become "less than 50 new words per a few hours" after about 6 VNs . I don't know what they mean by "comfortable" reading but I myself don't find comfortable looking up a new word even every two minutes. After god knows how many thousands of words I know I can fully enjoy reading without a dictionary only pulp like vns.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:30:58 2018 No.18935387 >>18935336 so shes saying "gotta use the jimmy hat" which is different than "should" because this is non negotiable at this point she has no plans to become a mama >>18935380 ignore the literal translation shit its straight gomi

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:34:24 2018 No.18935417 >>18935387 Major dekinai case.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:34:30 2018 No.18935420 >>18935372 >it takes "refined learning skills" to look up some words in a dictionary Damn I guess I must be some kind of fucking genius.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:35:04 2018 No.18935423 >>18935417 nope you just dont know whats up here

Anonymous Tue May 1 15:46:11 2018 No.18935496

>>18935383
If by "learn" you mean "add to anki" then learning every new word you come across is retarded. By doing that you front load your learning with a bunch of uncommon words. If you only add words to anki if: a) they look like useful words or b) you've come across them a couple times before, then you learn the more common words first and spend more time actually comprehending native material.

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Anonymous Tue May 1 15:49:24 2018 No.18935514

>>18935496
Or you could simply go through Core6k like a reasonable person, since it contains useful words throughout instead of stuff that you stumble in the wild. More importantly, after 6k you can infer the meaning of words you encounter without having to mine them, stuff like 美魔女 for example.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:50:53 2018 No.18935520 >>18935509 できない

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:51:23 2018 No.18935524 reasonable people dont do flashcards period

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:54:04 2018 No.18935544 >>18935514 I stopped core6k when the cards in my mining deck preempted the stuff I was getting in core. I find it easier to memorize stuff if I've mined it anyways.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:55:09 2018 No.18935549 >>18935524 Reasonable people also have jobs and don't live with their parents, yet I don't see you jumping to the occasion in order to rectify your sorry state.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:55:52 2018 No.18935557 >>18935549 neither of those describe me my lifestyle frankly owns the fuck out of yours lol

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:56:03 2018 No.18935559 File: 195 KB, 1032x774, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there a reason why Yotsuba is the mainly recommended manga? Is the dialogue supposed to be easier than most others or is it just the whole 4chan Yotsuba thing

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:56:58 2018 No.18935566 >>18935559 its 4chan and also a mean joke read doraemon for epic win

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:58:52 2018 No.18935581 >>18935549 >>18935372 Holy shit, you are one angry redditor. You are posting on an anime image board and you are learning a language solely to enjoy the countries entertainment material. You are no better than anyone else here.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:59:12 2018 No.18935582 >>18935559 This >>18935566 It's pretty much a meme, on the same level as "read from the start with barely any vocab". It's only people on here shitposting, simply disregard and move on.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 15:59:49 2018 No.18935585 >>18935559 Sometimes the standard is useful if only because it is the standard. You can find explanations for almost every sentence of the first chapter of yotsubato online.

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:01:03 2018 No.18935595

>>18935581
I have a good high level job and I don't live with my parents. Obviously you see the disgrace in your lifestyle if you have to knee jerk as much as you do in order to justify your NEETdom. Why not sort your life out then, before doing something as useless as learning a language for reading porn comic books?

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:01:53 2018 No.18935600

>>18935514
>since it contains useful words throughout instead of stuff that you stumble in the wild
Are you implying the stuff you "stumble [on to] in the wild" is somehow not useful to you, despite the fact that you actually have been in a situation where you need to use it? Frankly anon, that's retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:03:06 2018 No.18935603 Why are the wagies on this board? go to /int/ you niggers, this is NEET only board.

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:04:02 2018 No.18935613

>>18935496
>If by "learn" you mean "add to anki" then learning every new word you come across is retarded.
I add words in anki which:
Have unusual reading, no matter how easy to grasp its meaning is. So I would add something like 立ち聞き and 立ち聞く
Have unclear meanings other than distinct ones.
Have meanings or readings I can't comprehend\not sure of from the first glance on a word in a context.
And don't call my means retarded because I had never seen a person who progress even remotely as quickly as myself. I can memorize any number of words or kanjis in a single day so it worked for me.
> By doing that you front load your learning with a bunch of uncommon words
What's then?
>>18935514
I'm not a native english speaker and I can't trust only one source, thereby I've been having self-made deck from the very day I found anki.

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:05:35 2018 No.18935626

>>18935600
It depends. If you're reading some finance manga, yet don't plan on reading much finance stuff afterwards, then the words in Core6k would have been probably more useful in general compared to obscure financial terms. Core6k is full of common verbs and nouns which are likely to be found in many common reading materials. Mining is limiting if you're doing it before having completed Core6k because the contents of what you're reading are more than likely more niche than what's in the deck.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:08:04 2018 No.18935639 >>18935595 but are you happy it doesnt appear you are youre proly the dude that responds genkunai when i ask if minna genki lol >>18935603 n wordっていっちゃダメ

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:09:39 2018 No.18935654 >>18935639 すまぬ

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:11:36 2018 No.18935672 A DJT master that found out the hard way how useless the method is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqT_mLiTq7A

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:12:43 2018 No.18935683

>>18935639
I am happy, way more than my friends who are NEETs. Which is why I'm so adamant in helping you guys. There has been no shortage of people telling us over the years "I thought it was better being a NEET because of the extra time, but when I stopped being a NEET, my brain was way less sluggish and I made way better use of my time". It's optimal to sort out your life before embarking on this learning quest which will take years.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:13:20 2018 No.18935690 >>18935672 er, I mean a RTK master

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:13:43 2018 No.18935694 File: 605 KB, 512x588, get.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18935672 youre just gonna get told that no one said you should do rtk or whatever also i just realized rtk typoed as rkt is pretty fitting

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:14:44 2018 No.18935701

>>18935581
If you aren't samefagging, for your own sanity please stop feeding one of the resident trolls. They willingly dedicate their time to shitting up these threads and will happily spend weeks on end arguing with you about shit they don't really care about aside from pissing people off.

>>18935559
Everyone needs to read よつばと！ at least once in their life and it is accessible enough for beginners to find their feet with. It's a genuinely charming series everyone can enjoy. This makes it an easy recommendation for beginners who fail to make more specific requests.
I've made other recommendations but those are also less likely to be remembered as a side effect of not having such strong memetic association. Off the top of my head, here are some other beginner recommendations I've noticed: 絶対霊気、ゆるゆり、ドラえもん、苺ましまろ、and 侵略！イカ娘.
So there is the inherit appeal of よつばと！ itself and a bit of that whole blue car effect.

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:14:52 2018 No.18935702

>>18935626
The problem with your logic is that if the words in Core are truly as general as you claim, then you should naturally run in to them in what you're reading anyway, and be able to mine them yourself. You also assume that the more niche words you encounter in whatever it is you're actually reading are less useful to someone because they're niche, but odds are if you're encountering a high number of niche words in your reading, those words actually will be useful to you. There are exceptions, of course, but I think most people know their reading habits well enough to know what to bother not mining. Also learning words with no real context through Core is both more difficult, and more likely to result in you misunderstanding what a term actually means/how it's used than when you learn them through mining.

I don't think Core is completely useless or anything. It's definitely worth working through while you're still reading your grammar guide, in order to give yourself some footing when you start trying to read native content, and you're probably not doing any harm if you supplement mined vocabulary with it afterwards. Trying to go through all of Core before mining is going to be way less efficient than mining, especially if you're using some arbitrary point in Core to put off starting to read you're really not doing yourself any favours.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:14:54 2018 No.18935703 >>18935672 Why does Japan accept these stupid immigrant gaijin who go there only for parkour and suck at Japanese, while refusing or delaying the immigration of people who have degrees and who know a fair amount of the language?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:15:35 2018 No.18935710 >>18935694 It's kind of an old irrelevent argument/meme at this point I guess, all the young folk won't know what I'm talking about .

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:17:26 2018 No.18935729

>>18935701
>They willingly dedicate their time to shitting up these threads and will happily spend weeks on end arguing with you about shit they don't really care about aside from pissing people off.
Wow, your parents really taught you well. Instead of debating the ideas you disagree with, they told you do simply brand that person a troll and recoil back into your safespace? Stop being a fragile snowflake, especially on an anonymous forum for fuck's sake.

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:18:02 2018 No.18935732

>>18935626
If I want to read a particular book, I need to know the words in that book. To read from page 1 to page X I need to know all the words on page 1 and then all the words on page 2 and then all the words on page 3... etc, etc.

If I go through Core6k I still won't know all the words on page 1. So instead of wasting my time with Core6k I simply look at page 1 and try to read. When I see a word I don't know I look it up and maybe add it to anki. If I do this for all the words on page 1, I can now read page 1. Then I do it for page 2, and page 3, and page 4, and page 5... by the time I get to page 50 I don't have to look up so much stuff because EACH AUTHOR HAS THEIR OWN SPECIFIC SUBSET OF VOCABULARY THAT THEY LIKE TO USE, I DON'T WANT TO READ THE NEWSPAPER MOM YOU CANT MAKE ME

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:18:54 2018 No.18935739

>>18935566
Will listen to the dub man.

>>18935585
Yeah this makes sense, I have a bit of time before I’m able to read any Japanese so I’m just surveying the future

Also if Tae Kim is only beginner grammar, am I supposed to find a more advanced grammar book or just do native stuff and mine sentences?

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:19:09 2018 No.18935740

>>18935703
I'd say he did a pretty good job trying to learn, the method wasn't the best but that's just him not really knowing the optimal way of going at it, he still tried, there are probably tons of people who come in with actual degrees who don't try half as hard or really care about the country.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:20:00 2018 No.18935748 >>18935739 >>Also if Tae Kim is only beginner grammar, am I supposed to find a more advanced grammar book or just do native stuff and mine sentences? Dont bother with advanced grammar books. Just look up unknown grammar when you come across it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:20:49 2018 No.18935755 >>18934651 >>18934764 if I love MLA will I like muramasa?

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:20:55 2018 No.18935758

>>18935702
I agree with everything you said, it's just that 300 words into Core seems a bit low to start mining. You know pretty much nothing besides basic colors, days of the week and the 3 most common verbs at that point. Which means you'll be mining pretty much everything. Back on /a/, DJT used to recommend at least finishing Core2k before mining, which sounds way more reasonable than mining from the get go and slogging through tedious reading likely to burn you out because you're stopping at every word.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:21:52 2018 No.18935760 >>18935748 Yeah that’s what I was thinking. Thanks man

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:22:42 2018 No.18935766 >>18935732 Sure, different authors use different vocab. But Core2k contains general vocab pretty much used by every author. So stopping after 300 words in order to go mine is pretty stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:23:38 2018 No.18935775 >>18935703 all they want is suckers to get paid jack shit for teaching english and help repopulate the country with more beautiful ハーフs 大和魂 is fuckin dead

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:24:32 2018 No.18935781 >>18935701 >侵略！イカ娘 The best recommendation of these でゲソ

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:25:23 2018 No.18935790

>>18935740
>he did a pretty good job trying to learn
He's a year and a half into learning, and has already been there a while. Chances are, he knew nothing of the language when they accepted his immigration application. So what, he sold them with "I don't know the language, but I'll start RTK after moving here. I'm mostly here for parkour though!" Sounds ridiculous, no first world country should accept immigrants with those types of motives and qualifications.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:26:45 2018 No.18935801 >>18935710 RTK and AJATT have been having a huge resurgence on reddit in the last few months.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:27:10 2018 No.18935802 >>18935775 Yeah but he brought his ugly hippie gaijin girlfriend who shouldn't have been accepted into the country either.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:27:22 2018 No.18935804 ika musume is great for the proficient potty trained child but not for babies still poopin they pampers and i say this as someone who likes ika chan alot and wishes every single day that it wasnt over

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:28:40 2018 No.18935812

>>18935672
>>18935740
This guy is an absolute failure of a person. I have learned for a bit over a year and I've been extremely lazy about while also being in an unrelated full time STEM degree and yet I managed to finished my Kanji course in 5 months and reach 9000 words in Anki while understanding a very good portion of everything while this guy can't read anything at all despite having studied longer than me.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:28:58 2018 No.18935816 >>18935802 she can have halfie babies too have you ever heard of ntr (netolale) its really popular among otaku (nerds)

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:30:10 2018 No.18935824

>>18935732
X new words are day is still X new words a day: core, mining, whatever, it doesn't really matter. Do what you want and stick to it because steady momentum is in a way the underlying point of using Anki for vocabulary.
It isn't really fruitful to heed the advice of anons who state that a person ought use a specific vocabulary pool with something personalised like Anki as even if it is solid advice for themselves, they aren't you and they probably aren't reading the same things. The guide in the op is good because it provide general guidelines and general tools that you can use to mould to what you are doing in particular.

Try not to stress too much about optimising the final 2% of everything and focus on the input you are learning Japanese for. Eyeball a pathway in the long grass and follow your feet. You might meander for a bit but as long as you keep moving you're eventually going to reach the other side, which is more than can be said for people who spend 98% of their time standing still and trying to plot the perfect optimised pathway before taking the first step.

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:30:51 2018 No.18935830

>>18935758
300 words in to Core is probably a bit low, but in the end I don't think it really matters. When you start reading, it's always going to be difficult and require an absurd amount of vocabulary lookup, no matter how easy what you're reading is, and no matter how far through Core you've gotten. I think you should try to start reading as soon as you finish whatever grammar resource you're using (which shouldn't take more than a few weeks, even if you're working relatively slowly, which puts you at ~300 cards for 2 weeks, or ~600 for a month). Even if that means you only read a few pages a day at first, don't bother mining, and still focus mostly on Core.

As I said, I don't really have a problem with Core, it's useful, it contains vocabulary that will be useful to most everyone at some point. It's just that you get fairly quickly diminishing returns from it in terms of how much easier it's going to make starting reading. It will take you more than 3 months to do Core 2k if you do 20 new cards a day, which is around the average of what most people do, which to me is way too much time to spend before you start reading. I honestly find it surprising that somehow people get more burned out reading something they find interesting, even if it's difficult to read, than grinding out tedious boring flashcards for months with nothing to show for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:32:05 2018 No.18935837 >>18935812 No time for proper study when you're too busy with PARKOUR, broheim!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:32:56 2018 No.18935842 i imagine they get burned out reading because they cant actually feel the words they are reading because they learned them offa flashcards drier than my dick

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:34:53 2018 No.18935856 >>18935842 >offa flashcards drier than my dick t. ADHD sufferer If you need drawings and flashy stuff in order to learn, maybe you're the retard, Gen Z.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:34:59 2018 No.18935859 >>18935790 Can you really make an application with so little, I thought trying to get in with no qualifications was pretty much impossible, especially applying from outside.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:36:12 2018 No.18935870 >>18935812 If he's an absolute failure then I'm still 100x worse than him.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:38:00 2018 No.18935884 >>18935859 Apparently Abe has changed directions through the pressure of international jewry pushing him to accept more foreigners.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:39:04 2018 No.18935894 >>18935870 Sort your life out before learning Japanese. It isn't too late, and as you can see from that RTK guy, you can even make it to Japan doing parkour and vlogging instead of learning the language.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:40:14 2018 No.18935906 If you live in the first world and you're not old you can get a Japanese visa that's good for 6-18 months without even having to put in any effort.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:40:15 2018 No.18935907 >>18935804 More word density than some of the easy furigana-on-everything manga, but honestly I found the grammar and non-textbook speech easier to figure out. Sure, there are gonna be squid puns, but a lot of them are pretty obvious.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:41:17 2018 No.18935917 >>18935856 you aren't learning shit if you just look at cards all day

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:41:30 2018 No.18935918

>>18935856
thats not even what i mean dude

if you dont even know how the words feel then you dont even know what it means when someone says them and if youre reading someone saying them how do you know what they are even saying when you dont even know what the words they are saying sound like when used by real ninjas with real emotions

also i aint no yung ass gen z

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:43:27 2018 No.18935937

>>18935917
You're learning what's on the cards through rote repetition. Are you dense? It's also how most med students learn specialized medical terms, but I guess you're above even med students, conducting your important NEET business in your parent's basement.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:44:00 2018 No.18935942 I'm not a native english speaker, so can someone explain the terminology of "mining deck" to me? I see this word is getting used a lot here when people are talking about studying.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:44:51 2018 No.18935944 >>18935918 >also i aint no yung ass gen z You you still communicate like a child. That's even sadder.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:45:43 2018 No.18935950 >>18935937 >you must be as autistic as medical students to learn from flashcards yeah, figures

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:45:54 2018 No.18935953 >>18935942 It's learning through playing Minecraft in Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:46:46 2018 No.18935961 >>18935942 theres a phrase in english when you see someone picking their nose and exclaim "are you mining for gold?" flashcards are a lot like that >>18935944 at least i dont project negativity at specific people with childish insults lol

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:47:36 2018 No.18935968 >>18935953 this

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:49:34 2018 No.18935984

>>18935950
It's simply proven to be faster and more efficient when you have a lot of stuff to learn (like vocab from a new language). Telling med students to simply "read medical material and mine" would be absolutely retarded and inefficient, since you have to encounter the word in the wild before knowing it, instead of simply learning it in the first place for when you'll encounter it in the wild.
Stop trying to argue against this, I think doctoral students from Ivy league schools know how to optimize learning better than some basement NEET.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:51:39 2018 No.18935997 >>18935984 Med students essentially do make flashcards based on mining, they just don't call it that.

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:52:00 2018 No.18935999

>>18935984
Not the anon you're arguing with, but this is way off. No med student ever just takes a deck of flashcards and starts learning them like a lot of people want to do with Anki and the core decks. They learn the material from textbooks THEN use flashcards to drill all the facts they need to have memorized into their brain. Flashcards are never the point of first exposure.

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:52:06 2018 No.18936002

>>18935894
it's not to late but I'll be like 30 properly before I'm prepared to go to Japan, I need medicine for concentration, I need to try to live on my own even though I'm broke, he's my age and already accomplished everything I wanted to do, I don't get how things go so well for people, where does the money come from, where to his aquaintences come from, how can he just wing it and have everything go his way? Especially when it comes to the end result of being able to live in Japan, all it leaves me is jealous and struggling to even meet the entry requirements for being competent.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:52:14 2018 No.18936004 show us some fruits of this "optimized learning"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:53:30 2018 No.18936014 >>18935984 >read medical material and mine I mean this is what they pretty much do. On top of going to the classes and interacting with the actual human body.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:56:07 2018 No.18936026 >>18935997 >>18935999 Yes, they do mine from the textbook. But they could read the textbook because they understood the words. Language learning is slightly different, because you need to know the words in order to read in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 16:57:20 2018 No.18936030 >>18935884 Well even if such lax immigration applications were being accepted now, I don't have any money or anyone who could give me a job to do anything with it.

Anonymous Tue May 1 16:58:36 2018 No.18936042

>>18936002
Money is from rich parents, or even well off parents since upper middle class has boomed in the past few decades. For the ease of immigration, it depends which country you come from. Many countries impede their citizens from leaving in order to keep its middle class submissive and obedient.

Anonymous Tue May 1 17:01:33 2018 No.18936059

>>18936042
Well, not in america, the upper middle class is smaller than ever, what little money I make I help my parents with because they barely get by, there's a term going around that I forgot, but it' basically 'the generation where multiple generations all live in the same house because they're to poor to live on their own'.

Anonymous Tue May 1 17:04:58 2018 No.18936084

>>18936059
I counted upper middle class as people who have at least a million, and that number has been on the increase in the past decades in the US as well. People from middle class (which is the group you refer to as upper middle class) either went that way, or went down to being poor or low middle class.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:05:52 2018 No.18936088 >>18936026 No one has ever done flashcards in order to be able to read the textbook. That's not how it works. And textbooks define the words you aren't expected to know yet. Honestly most of them are pretty over-written.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:07:07 2018 No.18936096 >>18936088 >No one has ever done flashcards in order to be able to read the textbook. Because usually you know the language, and can understand the explanations. If you don't know the language, it's optimal to do the flashcards before the reading.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:08:01 2018 No.18936101 >>18936084 a million should just be upper class, anything higher isn't really a class but just there own little section of elite society, well I guess the opinion doesn't a matter that much either way.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:08:34 2018 No.18936106 File: 26 KB, 280x280, fcf4b2a17c231c83db3bcca50da9d21d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:08:51 2018 No.18936108 >>18935703 Rich people can pretty much live in wherever country they please.

Anonymous Tue May 1 17:10:37 2018 No.18936122

>>18936101
Thing is, too many people have at least a million these days, which is why the money range has shifted to where upper middle class (people with at least 1 million) is not really abnormal these days. Upper middle class is reserved for rarer instances, so maybe more starting around 5-10 million.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:11:43 2018 No.18936129 >>18936108 This. It's the reason why about half of the gaijin living in Japan are Jews right now. They're the global elite and can pretty much do what they please.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:12:36 2018 No.18936131 私は自分の心にこう語って言った。「今や、私は、私より先にエルサレムにいただれよりも知恵を増し加えた。私の心は多くの知恵と知識を得た。」

Anonymous Tue May 1 17:14:20 2018 No.18936143

>>18936096
But flashcards are better for taking something you have learned but haven't actually cemented in a way you can recall easily and turning them into information you have memorized and know.

It's best to write down the vocab you don't know, put it in Anki, then go back and read the same thing later now that you know the words.

The benefit of reading a lot of material by the same author is that a lot of those words, even some of the less common ones, will repeat over the course of the story and you'll have more exposure in slightly different contexts once you learn it the first time. Then you are taking different words down to put into Anki, studying those, and then knowing them when you go back to reread that section. It's like a ratchet.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:15:10 2018 No.18936147 File: 43 KB, 925x711, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] money cant buy love or nihongo perapera

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:16:45 2018 No.18936150 Why is DJT turning on Anki now? I thought you fuckers endorsed it

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:17:21 2018 No.18936156 >>18936131 実に、知恵が多くなれば悩みも多くなり、知識を増す者は悲しみを増す。

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:17:33 2018 No.18936160 File: 103 KB, 332x376, 1511173569653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18936147 >money cant buy love Depends what kind of love we're talking about, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:23:12 2018 No.18936179 >>18936150 we're not, its just 1 autist saying it's not good.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:24:57 2018 No.18936189 File: 324 KB, 420x791, 9843750.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18936106

Anonymous Tue May 1 17:27:45 2018 No.18936205

>材木を集めなきゃならない
Is that a fucking triple negative? I can't keep track of all this. Is he saying they have to gather the lumber? Or is it more that "if we don't gather it it'll be bad?" Sorry for such a dumb beginner question but Tae Kim covered this kind of thing in about 2 sentences and that isn't really helping me.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:28:41 2018 No.18936212 >>18936205 >s he saying they have to gather the lumber? Or is it more that "if we don't gather it it'll be bad?" There's no difference between those two things, TK has a whole chapter dedicated to this

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:29:40 2018 No.18936218 File: 53 KB, 353x398, 4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18936205

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:31:04 2018 No.18936226 >>18936218 Hey, that's cheating.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:31:40 2018 No.18936230 File: 77 KB, 1280x720, 1525210300223.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18936189 そしてその後・・

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:32:15 2018 No.18936234 >>18936230 >english

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:33:27 2018 No.18936241 >>18936160 real ninja love like 心と心のつながりdoki doki shit

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:36:12 2018 No.18936258 >>18936234 布団で何しようか

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:40:28 2018 No.18936276 File: 231 KB, 1025x665, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18936258

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:41:22 2018 No.18936282 >>18936258 あっ…あれ...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:41:58 2018 No.18936284 >>18936276 >ぽふん I unironically like pomf better.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:46:15 2018 No.18936315 >>18936276 源は？

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:46:25 2018 No.18936316 わあこのクソスレで何するのポチッとな=3

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:50:01 2018 No.18936336 File: 86 KB, 279x656, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18936284

Anonymous Tue May 1 17:54:54 2018 No.18936368

Stop me if I'm getting full of myself, thinking I know more then a Core deck.

大学に行ってもっと勉強したいです。
I want to go to college and study more.

もっと勉強したいです on its own means want to study more. Assuming I haven't gotten the hang of what the te form actually is, shouldn't it say "I want to study more to go to college."?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:55:31 2018 No.18936374 >「ムリはしない方がいいよ。顔色がいつもより悪いかも」 >ムリ ever come across it? is it some kind of slang?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:56:24 2018 No.18936379 File: 293 KB, 1280x960, 因島水軍城.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18934022 Actually http://wiki.samurai-archives.com/index.php?title=Murakami_clan_%28Chugoku%29 Pic related is the castle these guys used to operate from.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:56:46 2018 No.18936382 >>18936374 無理

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:57:09 2018 No.18936386 >>18936315 I knew this place was filled with degenerates. /int/ may be full of normies, but at least it isn't full of NEET pedos who disappoint their parents on a daily basis.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:58:03 2018 No.18936388 >>18936368 キミはもっと勉強しなきゃダメだ >>18936374 muri 無理 its what learning nihongo is お前には >>18936386 stfu

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 17:59:03 2018 No.18936396 >>18936368 That's a dangerously high regard you've got for the core deck translations there, friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:00:21 2018 No.18936403 >>18936368 >Assuming I haven't gotten the hang of what the te form actually is Well here's the first clue that should have tipped you off to you being completely fucking wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:00:26 2018 No.18936404 >>18935202 Yeah, read it smoothly except for 貯蔵庫内 >>18935211 You know nothing, child

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:01:30 2018 No.18936411 >>18935740 >not really knowing the optimal way of going at it What IS the optimal way of going at it? Even the guide can't seem to decide.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:02:27 2018 No.18936420 >>18936411 >What IS the optimal way of going at it? A straight line.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:02:33 2018 No.18936421 >DJT now against Anki and Tae Kim, but for AJATT, RTK and pedos This general should be purged for good, not simply changed board.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:04:13 2018 No.18936431 >>18936411 the optimal way for all intents and purposes is to do it in the first place >>18936421 with your help im sure we can get there keep posting

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:04:15 2018 No.18936432 >>18936421 People saying you shouldn't spend all your time in Anki, but that it can be a useful supplementary tool isn't the same thing as saying that Anki is bad.

Anonymous Tue May 1 18:09:14 2018 No.18936458 [DELETED]

flashcards are good for learning sets of things

flashcards are not good for learning all the words of a language

this guy didnt use flashcards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J-9R7BP4MU

you can spit it like yellow t20 does you just have to make the choice

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:09:22 2018 No.18936459 File: 82 KB, 191x331, Ataru.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18936374 >is ムリ slang? wow

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:11:52 2018 No.18936476 >>18936458 >flashcards are good for learning sets of things >flashcards are not good for learning all the words of a language I hate to break it to you anon, but "all the words of a language" is a set of things.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:13:26 2018 No.18936488 >>18936476 hook line and stinker

Anonymous Tue May 1 18:13:52 2018 No.18936492

>>18936421
AJATT wants money for paetron, and is basically spamming/advertising so its reportable.
RTK is for poor fools that think their memory is bad and kanji are super important to 'know' outside of words

Anki is the god tool of heaven bequeathed to mankind, but like all fundamentalists they fail to appreciate context
Tae kim is nice and simple, but a stepping stone to HJGP.
pedos are here to keep normalfags like you out

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:13:59 2018 No.18936493 >>18936488 >I was just pretending to be retarded

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:14:24 2018 No.18936498 >>18936488 fucking retarded faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:16:09 2018 No.18936506 >>18936458 Why is the title of the video in the browser title different from the title of the video on the page?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:18:33 2018 No.18936514 >>18936458 >>this guy didnt use flashcards He literally has a video on his channel about using flashcards, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:18:50 2018 No.18936518 >>18936432 What are you on about? >>18935842 >>18935524 >>18925891 These are just a few examples in this very thread of someone who shits on the idea of doing flashcards at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:19:17 2018 No.18936520 >>18936493 >>18936498 tell me how learning your set of 日本語の全体像 from flashcards is going 爆笑 >>18936506 no idea what youre on about mate

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:20:22 2018 No.18936528 >>18936514 oh shit i guess flashcards is the way guys

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:20:54 2018 No.18936531 >>18936518 >in this very thread of someone You quoted jamal, he doesn't know japanese, and never will hes only here to shit up the thread and harm beginners progress Gets banned regularly but keeps coming back

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:21:11 2018 No.18936535 >>18936520 >tell me how learning your set of 日本語の全体像 from flashcards is going 爆笑 Okay, since you asked so nicely: "Good."

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:21:48 2018 No.18936541 >>18936492 So instead of doing RTK the normal way just write down the kanji and brute force it with anki?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:22:25 2018 No.18936544 >jishio 関わる to be affected, to be influenced, to be concerned with, to have to do with, to stick to (opinions) >core 6k deck 関わる involve, concern Who do I trust?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:23:36 2018 No.18936550 >>18936541 You don't have to write anything. And 'brute force' is the only language your memory understands, in terms of retention. Use SRS or suffer without it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:24:32 2018 No.18936558 >>18936459 I think the better question is why is it in katakana.

Anonymous Tue May 1 18:25:14 2018 No.18936566 [DELETED]

>>18936531
i dont get "banned regularly" and the other shit is also straight hogwash

you know where my nihongo posts are in this thread come on lets see you try and fuck with em

come on and blow me out if you dare

>>18936535
you can lie to me but dont lie to yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:25:27 2018 No.18936567 >>18936550 But write it down if I'm trying to learn how to write right?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:28:07 2018 No.18936579 >>18936567 Handwriting is a useless skill, but sure knock yourself out. >>18936566 Go fuck yourself you retarded fucking dickhead, you don't belong here

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:29:50 2018 No.18936593 >>18936566 Why aren't you banned though? You singlehandedly shit up 90% of every thread. If anyone should be banned it should be you, regardless of the Japanese skills you may or may not have.

Anonymous Tue May 1 18:30:24 2018 No.18936600
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>>18936566
>you can lie to me but dont lie to yourself
Myself and I are in a healthy, trustful relationship, thanks for your concern though sweetie
>you know where my nihongo posts are in this thread come on lets see you try and fuck with em
No I actually don't, but there's nothing in this thread that I can't read.
feel free to go back to r*ddit any time

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:31:25 2018 No.18936608 おはようおにいちゃんないとおもうなかさとてんばつ

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:32:17 2018 No.18936614 >恭 Why is this jōyō?

Anonymous Tue May 1 18:33:19 2018 No.18936623

so his friends wants to walk him home and mc replies
>いいよ、そんな大げさなことしなくて。男に送ってもらうのも寂しいしな」
so everything is cool but I don't get why 寂しいしな at the end, it would make sense if it was negative would it not? then it would mean I'm not lonely enough for a boy to walk me home.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:34:27 2018 No.18936633 >>18936614 あたしはあんまりつかわないけどたぶんつかうしょくぎょうがあるんだとおもう

Anonymous Tue May 1 18:36:48 2018 No.18936646 [DELETED]

>>18936579
are you gonna leave a love letter in my getabako next

>>18936593
funny ive never seen a single one of those idiot meme images showing how bad the posts in this thread with any of my posts in them

just because you hate someones posts doesnt mean they are breaking more rules than you are

>>18936600
where do you get off telling anyone to go back to r_ddit when you make a post like that

also i guess good job with your nihongo mate fighto-oh or some shit

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:38:02 2018 No.18936659 >>18936514 ahahahaha jamal btfo

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:40:27 2018 No.18936678 >>18936659 i mean >>18936528 ┐(‘～` )┌

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:40:32 2018 No.18936680 jamal knows Japanese but he spent literally decades learning it so no one should take his advice unless they want to be shitposting on DJT in 2040

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:40:57 2018 No.18936682 >>18936544 >（１）関係をもつ。「人命に―・る問題だ」「沽券(コケン)に―・る」 >（２）こだわる。かかずらう。《拘》「小事に―・ってる時ではない」

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:42:50 2018 No.18936690 >>18936682 かかわるはむずかしいねえいごへのちょくやくがむずかしいとおもう

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:43:11 2018 No.18936694 I read a lot but I don't remember words at all from reading. If I don't make flash cards I literally can't remember the words. It feels like I'd be wasting time if I don't make them. Besides, anki takes 15 minutes a day. Why shouldn't I use that?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:46:35 2018 No.18936711 >>18936694 >I don't remember words at all from reading. Sorry but it would appear that your brain is dysfunctional.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:48:02 2018 No.18936723 >>18936711 That's my worry, too. That's why I use anki. Even then, I probably have more leeches than anyone else in the history of using anki. Comparatively, grammar isn't anywhere near as bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:48:07 2018 No.18936724 just put everything on the flashcards like just rip the vn script and put it on a flashcard

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:49:04 2018 No.18936733 File: 27 KB, 1366x728, hyouka deck.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18936724 I did that with a book, but everyone laughed at me.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:51:43 2018 No.18936744 >>18936723 There's no point in actively trying to remember each and every piece of vocab as soon as you first encounter it. Focus on leeches, they're a minority of words that make you lose the most time.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:52:08 2018 No.18936748 >>18936733 no thats just one line dude i mean like the whole visual game on the flashcard you get the added bonus of never forgetting a single juicy detail by repeatedly drilling it

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:55:30 2018 No.18936766 Am I being a fool by reading the DoJG entry by entry, example sentences and everything?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:55:31 2018 No.18936767 >>18936748 I thought about doing this with Touhou so I can set everyone straight on lore.

Anonymous Tue May 1 18:56:19 2018 No.18936774

>>18936744
I just suspend them and put them in a different deck. I don't know why, but certain words I just can't keep down. Even if I do something extremely autistic, like physically write it down 50 times (something I don't bother with for 99% of words), I still can't remember them.
I've considered doing RTK, which might be okay now that I have some experience with vocabulary (about 1k core and 1k mined) but I'm still hesitant on that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:56:58 2018 No.18936777 >>18936733 thats a terrible tranlsation, wtf

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:57:59 2018 No.18936782 >>18936777 I only made that one card as a joke using baka-tsuki's translation It really shocked me how much they changed, rewrote, ignored, and didn't bother with.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:58:25 2018 No.18936787 What does reiyaku mean exactly? It seems to be an immortality potion,but it doesn’t have the kanji for life or death in it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:59:11 2018 No.18936790 todays nihongo word of the day is 霊薬 check back tomorrow for the next nihongo word of the day

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 18:59:47 2018 No.18936795 >>18936790 thx bud

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:01:48 2018 No.18936804 >>18936766 Not really. It is the same as reading a textbook, except it is in alphabetical order instead of whatever order the textbook maker would choose.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:08:34 2018 No.18936838 >>18936782 Man, I read through that fan-translation one drug induced evening and I thought it was shit. Maybe I'll give hyouka another look in japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:14:35 2018 No.18936875 It feels impossible to remember the kanji in core2k without knowing the proper stroke order and practicing them first.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:15:24 2018 No.18936877 >>18936790 >>18936787 No bully, I’m visiting relatives, I’d post the kanji if I could.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:15:59 2018 No.18936881 if any of my elderly ninjas still have their fansubbed vcds or cdrs and i guess dvdrs at this point you should spin em up and behold what people shoved in budding anime fans faces back in the day

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:17:26 2018 No.18936886 I got no problem reading after a year but when it comes to listening it feels like I'm back to the starting line.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:17:27 2018 No.18936887 Is there such a verb that is read the same way as the 音 reading of the kanji it uses?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:19:07 2018 No.18936901 difference between adj-no and adj-na?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:20:42 2018 No.18936906 >>18936901 yes actually, all no-adjectives are normal nouns, not all na-adjectives are normal nouns

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:21:12 2018 No.18936909 >>18936901 n[oa]

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:22:01 2018 No.18936912 but what about adjs that are both no and na

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:22:50 2018 No.18936914 >>18936912 read more

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:22:59 2018 No.18936916 then jmdict tagged them wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:25:55 2018 No.18936942 >>18936914 but i dont know any words so how do i read them kambensite kuleya

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:39:38 2018 No.18937007 How do you fight discouragement? How do you handle grinding so much vocabulary, only to open a new book and have to look up 80% of the words you encounter?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:43:31 2018 No.18937033 >>18937007 open books that have much less unknown words and complex phrasing

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:44:26 2018 No.18937037 >>18937033 This is the part where you link me to うんこちゃん isn't it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 19:46:39 2018 No.18937044 >>18937037 no you seem to get the idea for real though you want your text to be manageable where theres some new words but they dont impede your ability to read the overall text

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:01:11 2018 No.18937133 File: 460 KB, 1920x1080, 17.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >病気になるか頭がいかれるかして、娼館の黴臭い狭い部屋で死ぬことになる。 Could you guys help me understand that か～かして?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:04:11 2018 No.18937148 >>18937133 https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/entries/86.htm か1 or か3

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:07:30 2018 No.18937157 File: 280 KB, 500x500, 002938743204.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >73.6%

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:14:30 2018 No.18937199 >>18937148 Thanks for spoonfeeding I had seen that か～かで while I searched for か～かして but was a bit unsure it would have the same meaning

Anonymous Tue May 1 20:16:33 2018 No.18937209

>>18937007
This guy >>18937033 has the right idea. To be more specific, most reading materials start getting more comfortable and less discouraging to read around 3k known words. So just keep grinding those cards until you get there, then it's easy street after having passed that beginner's bump.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:20:05 2018 No.18937236 >>18937209 Around the 9k mark to an extent but not at all around the 3k mark.

Anonymous Tue May 1 20:23:04 2018 No.18937250

>>18937007
This guy >>18937033 has the right idea. To be more specific, most reading materials start getting more comfortable and less discouraging to read around 500~2000 known words. So just keep grinding those cards until you get there, then it's easy street after having passed that beginner's bump.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:31:07 2018 No.18937297 So Im trying to get into repping bilingual sentences decks after finishing kanji but how do i make these? Kanji on front and English on the back? and if so how am i supposed to read the kanji since RTK doesnt teach pronunciation?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:31:32 2018 No.18937299 >>18937297 Why are you trying to do that? Just read more.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:32:27 2018 No.18937305 I decided to take 1-2 weeks off from Japanese to learn Korean. I think it will be a fun experiment. Might do the same with Chinese in the future.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:33:08 2018 No.18937308 >>18936680 If he knows it, the question becomes why is he still in a language learning thread? My almonds are almost there, not quite but nearly

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:36:07 2018 No.18937327 >>18937299 Regardless how will I learn pronunciation from either of these?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:38:42 2018 No.18937344 >>18937327 You're using meme methods designed by people who who either didn't know Japanese or took a long time doing it. You're right to question them, but rather than trying to question their details, you should question what they're doing for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:40:15 2018 No.18937356 >>18937308 dont worry about who knows what theres people here who know shit i dont and vice versa be nice to everyone that helps and do your part so you dont have to bug them to keep drip feeding you

Anonymous Tue May 1 20:42:29 2018 No.18937373

>>18937250
>500~2000 known words
Good job making noobs burn out. Not everyone is a NEET with all the free time in the world. Working, going to uni and doing Anki is fine but it gets unmanageable if you tell those people to read before they should, forcing them to mine 9 out of every 10 words.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:45:58 2018 No.18937391 >>18937373 I'm sorry, did you respond to the wrong post?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:47:50 2018 No.18937401 >>18937391 No. I'm telling him that 500-2000 is too low to start reading comfortably. 3000 is a better number to read at a good pace without burning out or without mining 9 out of every 10 words.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:49:13 2018 No.18937406 >>18937401 I'm not sure what you're talking about. Learning 3000 words from Core6k is basically the same as learning 2000 words, but it takes 50% as long.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:49:43 2018 No.18937411 >>18937406 Sorry, meant to say 50% longer.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:50:33 2018 No.18937418 this word count metric is fuckin retarded give it a rest boys

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:56:40 2018 No.18937453 >>18937406 >>18937411 It's not about length of time, it's about known words. Knowing how to parkour helps too.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:56:57 2018 No.18937456 >>18937453 I'm sorry, did you respond to the wrong post?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:57:43 2018 No.18937461 What other "core" type decks besides 2k/6k/10k are there?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 20:59:24 2018 No.18937473 >>18937461 there's A Frequency Dictionary of Japanese, which is legit, and there's this vn 2k thing, which isn't very good

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 21:02:15 2018 No.18937498 >>18937473 So there's nothing better than the iKnow deck? I wonder what that anon who made the frequency list effectiveness chart was referring to by good decks then.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 21:02:50 2018 No.18937501 >>18937498 one you mine on your own <- made that chart

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 21:08:55 2018 No.18937548 >>18937498 oh, by the way, by vn 2k I was thinking of this: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1434910726

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 21:11:21 2018 No.18937563 >>18937501 Yeah, I'm not at the point where I need a frequency lists anymore. I was just curious about the existence of decks considered better than iKnows >>18937548 Saw that a while ago but didn't bother cause it seemed low quality

Anonymous Tue May 1 21:23:00 2018 No.18937629

>>18936567
I've learned how to write every kanji I have any vocab words for and I also think RTK is retarded. It's not just the "writing is useless" people.

RTK isn't "the normal way," it's a way to waste a few months at the start when you could have been actually learning Japanese instead. The time you save in learning to write kanji is not actually time saved in vocab, everyone else learns to recognize kanji with or without RTK. No one ever claims kanji are indistinguishable squiggles except RTK users who want to mentally justify their own time wasted.

On the other hand, it's not like it will hurt you other than in wasting time, so if you want to do it knock yourself out. But it absolutely should not be pushed on newbies as the standard, and it's certainly not needed to learn to write or recognize kanji.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 21:24:31 2018 No.18937639 >>18937629 RTK is pretty well made though. The easiest method I've found to learned the language, and at a reasonable price too.

Anonymous Tue May 1 21:27:45 2018 No.18937663
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you get just as familiar with the kanji by being with the nihongo in its natural environment so yeah rtk is pretty outdated today but wasnt rtk written at a time when shit like that was prolly a good idea

however some things never go out of date

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 21:41:24 2018 No.18937749 >>18937133 why does that happen to those girls

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 21:43:15 2018 No.18937762 this weblio site is great. I like how the phrases get progressively harder https://ejje.weblio.jp/sentence/content/%E9%81%8A%E3%81%B3%E3%81%9F%E3%81%84

Anonymous Tue May 1 21:45:34 2018 No.18937775

How would you translate this?

文字だけでは自分の気持ちが相手にわかってもらえたいと思った時、「これは冗談ですよ、私がにこにこしながらこれを書いているのがわかりますか」と説明するのは大変ですが、顔文字を使えば、同じことがとても簡単に伝えられます。

The main trouble I have is with the quote. I figured it was something like “When I think that my partner won’t understand how I feel just by using words, it’s difficult to explain “I’m joking. Do you understand that I am smiling while I write this?” but, if I use emojis, I can convey the same thing easily. I just think this is really literal, especially the quote. Is there a better way to translate it?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 21:49:41 2018 No.18937789 >>18937775 Whoops, should be わかってもらえない in the beginning

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 21:50:33 2018 No.18937793 >>18937775 looks good, except it isn't >When I think that my partner won’t understand how I feel just by using words It's more >When I want my partner to understand my feelings just by using words Not sure where you got won't understand

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 21:51:35 2018 No.18937798 >>18937789 >>18937793 nvm then

>>	NIS America Localizer Tue May 1 21:54:27 2018 No.18937815 >>18937775 "Text fucking sucks at conveying meaning so I tack 'lol' onto the end of everything so people know it's just a prank bro"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 21:55:04 2018 No.18937819 >>18937798 Thanks anon. I also just realized it would make more sense to say “can’t understand” rather than “won’t understand” since it’s potential form

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:02:12 2018 No.18937863 Why do i have a harder time remembering mined words than words in core. I can remember core words pretty well but my intervals on my mining deck is like 15 days

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:13:02 2018 No.18937920 >tfw better than everyone here later, nerds

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:17:43 2018 No.18937951 Which definition of the word もえ is being used in the expression もえ?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:21:24 2018 No.18937976 >>18937951 It's 裳絵, which means "picture of ancient skirt".

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:28:16 2018 No.18938023 >>18937951 萌える

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:29:09 2018 No.18938028 >>18937951 萌え, sprouting, budding, it's like a "budding crush" sort of thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:30:22 2018 No.18938035 File: 21 KB, 317x240, watasi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18937951

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:35:10 2018 No.18938059 >>18937976 how long have you waited to use this word?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:47:16 2018 No.18938119 >>18938059 Based on the time between >>18937951 and >>18937976 , about 3 minutes and a half. Had to do the captcha 4 times too.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:52:18 2018 No.18938145 How do you pronounce something like １－２日? いち、ににち？いち、ふつか？

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:55:55 2018 No.18938167 >>18938145 いちにちかふつか

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 22:59:42 2018 No.18938190 >>18938167 I think he meant in general, not that set expression per se. Answer the question with １－3日 instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 23:01:27 2018 No.18938200 >>18938190 いちにちからみっか

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 23:05:48 2018 No.18938219 >>18938200 Why から and not just か like the set expression in >>18938167

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 23:08:10 2018 No.18938234 >>18938219 から From one to three days か One or two days

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 23:11:26 2018 No.18938246 >>18938234 Makes sense, thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 00:00:46 2018 No.18938451 Anyone know where to find raw ebooks for ダンジョンに出会いを求めるのは間違っているだろうか volumes 11 and up? I've spent hours teaching irc and private trackers and none of them have JP ebooks.

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