Touhou character designs

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Touhou character designs Anonymous Wed Apr 11 10:38:04 2018 No.18803955 [Reply] [Original]

Recently, I had an argument with a friend about Touhou character designs. According to him, almost all the Touhou designs after UFO are ugly and uninteresting. They do not have the same theme design-wise as the older characters, and do not fit to the story alongside them. Furthermore, he argues that designs of modern Touhous are too different when compared to other characters in their own games.

Do you agree or disagree with this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 10:57:53 2018 No.18804058 >>18803955 >not enough frills I could somehow understand your friend's distaste. Or rather, looks like he's still an entry-level fan hung up with TH06 ~ 10. Maybe make him play more of the recent games to make him change his opinion.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:03:12 2018 No.18804084
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>They do not have the same theme design-wise as the older characters, and do not fit to the story alongside them. Furthermore, he argues that designs of modern Touhous are too different when compared to other characters in their own games.
I call bullshit. It was always like that, he's just not used to newhus. And please tell me what is this design theme that connects all the old 2hus, 'cause I don't really see anything.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:08:41 2018 No.18804115

>>18804058
This.

Honestly. Most of the old era designs are extremely simplistic and repetitive and therefore a bit boring. Color scheme-wise they're also too similar.
Example:
EoSD characters have a lot of white/light pink.
PCB characters have a lot of blue.
IN characters have a lot of brown/red.

My favourite game is IN, but fuck. The wide variety of colors and themes of the new games makes it just so much more fun to explore them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:10:22 2018 No.18804125 He's probably just lashing at them for being new. Give it some time, a few more new games to be released and he will forget People probably bitched about the exact same thing with each new game in the series. I know they did with UFO.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:14:11 2018 No.18804145

>>18804125
To be fair. After all this time I still don't like anything about UFO.
Gameplay is garbage. Characters are boring/lacking in depth. Story is boring. Music is good.
The only interesting character was Shou. Kogasa can now be added to that with her appearance in WaHH.
The only game even worse is TD.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:23:47 2018 No.18804207 >>18804145 I wanna add that Symposium of Post-mysticism did add more depth to the scenario of both UFO and TD, but little to nothing to the new character; which only further increased my UFO/TD disappointment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:31:23 2018 No.18804265 >>18804115 EoSD sure, they all have that light pinky-white, but PCB and IN? I think you confuse stages and the game as a whole with characters themselves. >>18804145 >Gameplay is garbage No it's not, you're just bad at it. Git gud.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:36:47 2018 No.18804300

>>18804265
PCB has 7 characters with a shade of blue as their main color.
IN has 5 characters with a shade of red/brown as their main color. I concede my point for IN, but not PCB.

>No it's not, you're just bad at it. Git gud.
I don't have to git gud. The UFO system is so broken I'm constantly full on lives. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:52:18 2018 No.18804429 File: 244 KB, 883x1315, DRlWxvuUQAAfftk.jpg orig.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ZUN was in a slump from TH12 through TH14, but TH15 and TH16 were incredibly well received, have great designs, and are in the better half of games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:56:02 2018 No.18804467 ZUN's recent designs are more creative than ever, especially LoLK's.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:57:36 2018 No.18804478 >>18804145 >story is boring name a better story

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:07:36 2018 No.18804569

>>18804300
BAKA - blue
Fat Winterlady - White/Blue
Honk - Red/Black
Shit - Light Blue, or Rainbow-colored excrement
LiLITERAly White - White
Dork - Dark Green/White
Yuyutits - Blue/Pink
Punchingbag Fox- White/Yellow/Blue
Hag - Purple

But I don't get the whole big deal about PCB characters being "too blue"; if anything, it fits to the central dilemma story of the "spring getting stolen by a ghost nigger".

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:07:37 2018 No.18804570

>>18804300
>PCB has 7 characters with a shade of blue as their main color.
What? You have Cirno, Letty (although here I'd argue it's more of a violet colour, but sure, let it be blue), Alice and Yuyuko, how is that 7? Even if you counted Ran or I dunno, Sakuya, it's still not that many.
>IN has 5 characters with a shade of red/brown as their main color.
I wouldn't really count Keine, red is rather her secondary color.

Oh, I thought you meant it the other way. There is a way for you to enjoy the game more though. Play for score, choose when to go for which ufos instead of getting the red ones constantly. Choosing when it's better to go safe and when to get some points is a pretty fun mechanic if you'd ask me.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:20:19 2018 No.18804644

>>18804569
I'm not really complaining. I don't care that much. EoSD, PCB and IN will always hold a special place in my heart. I'm just comparing it to newer games that see a better variety of colors, interesting designs and see a huge improvement.

This game >>18804467 has the embodiment of the fucking moon's american flag as example. 10/10.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:30:00 2018 No.18804706
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>they do not have the same theme design-wise as the older characters, and do not fit to the story alongside them
Sounds like he's having nostalgia fit because Okina and dancers literally looks like something from the older games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:35:45 2018 No.18804754 >>18804429 >12-14 I could understand this, but I also want to say that they both gave us some of the best tracks in the series. Notably, the final boss theme for Byakuren and Shinmyomaru

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 18:34:45 2018 No.18806817 >>18804145 (you)

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 18:38:09 2018 No.18806837 >>18803955 Just your usually mad oldfag, i bet he wants Sakuya in every game too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 18:40:06 2018 No.18806852 >>18804478 EoSD ^-^ cute vampires and ZA WARUDO xD, fuck UFO having slutnae and not muh Youmu or Sakuya >-<! gay games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 18:47:12 2018 No.18806906 File: 28 KB, 406x250, 1521928073857.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18806852 fucking secondaries, they do not even play the games and have the insolence to talk about them. (and if they play them, they can't even do 1cc lunatic)

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 21:06:16 2018 No.18807898 >>18806852 Settle down.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 21:35:15 2018 No.18808015

>>18803955
Backup dancers are completely generic, Eternity looks nothing like a fairy, Okina has too much resemblance to Junko. Those are my only complaints with HSiFS. ZUN's designs have actually improved over time, Miko and Shinmyoumaru have better clothing designs than any touhou prior for example.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 21:51:30 2018 No.18808117 >>18808015 >completely generic In what way?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 22:05:24 2018 No.18808220 >>18808117 Maybe I'm just missing whatever historical/cultural basis they have, but they're like the Akis or the Tsukumos without the seasonal or musical themes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 22:15:23 2018 No.18808266 >>18803955 Seija and Aunn have pretty good design imo

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 05:10:49 2018 No.18809812

>>18808015
>Backup dancers are completely generic
I agree, but I'd like to point out that they're pretty much only there to be Okina's servants for her reference to Matara-jin.
I think ZUN should've made the stage 5 boss something else and have the dancers either appear with Okina on the final or extra stage.

>Eternity looks nothing like a fairy
Pretty sure the point was that she is supposedly the Toyko god that is Okina's enemy so she looks a little off as a fairy.

>Okina has too much resemblance to Junko
I also agree on this. But I also don't know what ZUN could've done to make her stand out more.

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 06:14:33 2018 No.18810005

>>18809812
>But I also don't know what ZUN could've done to make her stand out more.

You know, don't force his fetish for blonde girls into such an already dangerous design just this once.

I mean, if her hair was anything else other than blonde (hell, I'd like a black one), then she'd look a hell more distinct from Junko and would've been a lot better design.

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 06:45:46 2018 No.18810085
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>>18810005
>back hair
Well I'm not gonna lie she does look a whole lot different with black instead of blonde.
Okina kinda looks more like a dude desu maybe it's just me

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 06:47:36 2018 No.18810095 >>18810085 *black hair

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 06:53:11 2018 No.18810116 >>18810085 what about Red hair? or Blue hair?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 07:03:10 2018 No.18810148 Okina looks great; calling her character design bad because she shares a few similarities with Junko is dumb.

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 07:08:38 2018 No.18810169

>>18810148
>>18809812
I like Junko and I like Okina, it's just that they should have at least had a game between them or something. Especially since ZUN pretty much insisted that Okina be a hag when there was a reasonable receptiveness in the fandom to her being loli unlike Junko.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 07:11:34 2018 No.18810179 File: 858 KB, 1041x1228, Okina_haircoloredit2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18810116 Just because Hecatia has it doesn't mean it works for Okina.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 07:17:25 2018 No.18810193 >>18810179 Holy shit you are right, it looks bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 07:20:07 2018 No.18810201 >>18803955 >almost all the Touhou designs after UFO are ugly and uninteresting. Was it Hecatia? It must be her. But to be honest, I do like most of the designs in modern touhou.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 07:27:33 2018 No.18810225 >>18810201 Aside from whatever drugs inspired Doremy, I can't say I take issue with any of the LoLK designs. And I can't even be upset at Doremy because her theme is fantastic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 07:35:16 2018 No.18810250 >>18810179 Gotta change her clothes to match or it just looks like vomit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 07:42:58 2018 No.18810273 >>18803955 I couldn't disagree harder. Many of my favorite designs are newhus'.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 07:44:38 2018 No.18810278 >>18804145 I hate Byakuren but to say she lacks depth is patently false.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 07:46:01 2018 No.18810288 >>18810085 >spoiler Well, she is. It's a Miko deal again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 11:12:30 2018 No.18811282 >>18810179 >>18810250 I'd say it's the eyes too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 11:24:01 2018 No.18811342 Stop complaining about Okina when she's one of the most popular newhus we've seen in a long time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 11:27:21 2018 No.18811358 >>18803955 Guys, GUYS! Aunn-chan is cuuuute~

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 11:28:29 2018 No.18811366 >>18811358 Oh, don't be like that. I'm Komano the Komainu!

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 11:30:52 2018 No.18811377

>>18803955
>According to him, almost all the Touhou designs after UFO are ugly and uninteresting.
That's just, like, his opinion, man. And his opinion is objectively wrong.

>They do not have the same theme design-wise as the older characters
This is a good thing. Would you rather have all the characters be cookie-cutter clones of previous ones?

>and do not fit to the story alongside them
Did your friend even play the games?

>Do you agree or disagree with this?
I agree that the designs are different, but I see that as a good thing. I like the old and new Touhous, it's just like all the bitching when a new Pokemon comes out about how "Pokemon is RUINED" and then it sells like hotcakes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 11:58:02 2018 No.18811519 >>18804569 >Shit Nigger I'm gonna kill you

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 13:13:55 2018 No.18811936 File: 294 KB, 1127x601, Okinas.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18810193 >>18810179 >>18810116

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 16:32:49 2018 No.18813046

>>18810201
Yeah, he's mainly complaining about Hecatia and Raiko.

>>18804084
>please tell me what is this design theme
I think by that he meant something like "they can be taken seriously" and that they look like they are from Japanese folklore, or something like that.

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 16:51:27 2018 No.18813171

>>18813046
>Yeah, he's mainly complaining about Hecatia and Raiko.

My only design complaint about Hecatia is that with a globe on her hat she seems too top heavy compared to the rest of what she is wearing. If all three were floating or if she had a longer/bulkier skirt I would probably like her design much more.

I like most of the designs throughout the new games in general though.

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 17:07:38 2018 No.18813247
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>>18813046
>"they can be taken seriously"
Look at the picture from the post you replied too. Especially at the left hand side. Now read your response.
>they look like they are from Japanese folklore
Pic related, danmaku fight, Nitori on the right.

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 17:10:37 2018 No.18813260

>>18813046
Well, Hecatia and Raiko are made to be different from the other touhous. Raiko is based on a modern drum. Her design clearly remarks that. The case from Hecatia is also similar. She's from outside Gensokyo, having contact with the modern world also. Apart from that ZUN thinks hell=metal, and that metal=chains for some reason.

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 17:15:36 2018 No.18813291
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Touhou characters wear suprisingly realistic clothing (although i'm not claiming it is entirely so), so the designs being different isn't fucking surprising
your friend has shit taste

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 17:41:01 2018 No.18813453 >>18811358 Even her name is cute. Aunn!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 18:21:07 2018 No.18813711 >>18813453 rhymes with cum!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 18:36:04 2018 No.18813806 >>18813711 Cum in the bum of the Aunn

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 20:04:46 2018 No.18814256 I bet Okina would look better with brown hair.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 20:22:30 2018 No.18814327 File: 268 KB, 1738x600, kino.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18814256

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:05:45 2018 No.18815404 >>18803955 He sounds like a "Genwunner" of Pokemon fame, but ESoD isn't even the "Gen 1" of Touhou and I'd put money on it being his first game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:10:35 2018 No.18815419 >>18814256 okina is perfect the way she is and becoming very popular, the only mistake ZUN made is not properly conveying that she is a boobhu in her first appearance.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:16:52 2018 No.18815441 File: 776 KB, 600x2100, 8e6bc6a9f15044741352dd081b23a01a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I love DDC character designs the most.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:22:44 2018 No.18815457 File: 572 KB, 1470x1444, MountainOfCum.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18803955 which game has the best music and why is Mountain of Faith?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:23:48 2018 No.18815464 >>18815441 waggysaggy good semenbanki good kagerou good benben and not-benben BAD BAD BAD BAD seija good shimmy i personally dont like but i dont consider bad raiko bad, ZUN salvaged her but throwing her into the primsrivrs

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:30:24 2018 No.18815491 >>18815457 That's not Perfect Cherry Blossom, although I like MoF too >>18815464 I like Raiko's design a lot. Zun's just not good at drawing modern clothes that aren't dresses.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:38:24 2018 No.18815531 >>18804429 I like TH14 more than TH16. TH16 has the blandest OST of all nu-Touhou, but considering that TH15 had objectively the best one it can't be helped. Although in terms of designs I'd put it above Ten Desires.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:43:42 2018 No.18815545 >>18815531 >blandest OST of all nu-Touhou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la19Vbuoinc Ummm, do you want to die aaaaa? >I'd put it above Ten Desires How dare you talk about Ten Desires as if it were something ugly... baka bakaaaa

Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:49:46 2018 No.18815564

>>18815531
TH16 has a great soundtrack, though not as good as TH15. Off the top of my head I consider HSIFS's Stage 3 and Stage 6 themes to be some of ZUN's best work.
You are free to have your own opinion but from what I can see people really seem to like TH16 a lot more than TH14, especially in the character department. And TH16 is the best balanced game in the series, TH14 is the most broken.

Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:57:57 2018 No.18815584

>>18815545
I like all of the games, it's just that comparatively TH16 is inferior. Just because it has couple of good tracks doesn't make it better than games that have at least half of the OST that is great.
Ten Desires had somewhat ugly designs to be honest. I like Miko as a characters, but her hair cat ears are ridiculous. Mamizou is probably ugliest girl in the series, and that's Zun's wife.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 01:32:40 2018 No.18815706 File: 148 KB, 336x512, TH15Clownpiece.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Move aside fuckers, best character design coming through!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 01:36:37 2018 No.18815723 File: 285 KB, 503x872, Futatsuiwa.Mamizou.full.1874839.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18815584 >Mamizou is probably ugliest girl in the series loving every laugh

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 07:18:25 2018 No.18816760 >>18815564 Midsummer Fairy's Dream is pretty exceptional. Probably the creepiest boss theme ZUN's ever done.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 07:24:33 2018 No.18816786 >>18815706 Clownpiece is the most fuckable ZUNart for sure.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 07:42:20 2018 No.18816843 >>18815584 wrong she's pure SEX some hag can fill this role, though even kanako is okay.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 16:12:24 2018 No.18817118 >>18815419 >the only mistake ZUN made is not properly conveying that she is a boobhu in her first appearance. The only mistake ZUN made was insisting that she's a boohu and/or that she should be.

Anonymous Fri Apr 13 20:41:39 2018 No.18817886

>>18804467
HSiFS's biggest issue is that it's following up LoLK, which was amazing. The designs aren't bad but they don't have the impact of Clownpiece, Sagume, Junko, or Hecatia. The OST is good but it doesn't have anything borderline legendary like 38kkm Journey. The gameplay is probably the only thing that stands out about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 21:40:03 2018 No.18818193 >>18817886 >The OST is good but it doesn't have anything borderline legendary like 38kkm Journey. what is The Concealed Four Seasons

Anonymous Fri Apr 13 21:48:40 2018 No.18818235

>>18817886
>Clownpiece, Sagume, Junko, or Hecatia
To me Larva, Aunn, and Okina are on the same level of memorable. And when I say memorable I also mean strike Sagume from your list, because I'd honestly put her last on my LoLK character memorability list. I agree with you about the soundtrack superiority, however, but I still liked most HSiFS tracks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 06:19:57 2018 No.18820268 >>18818193 You mean Secret God Matara and Crazy Backup Dancers

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 14:36:14 2018 No.18822875 >>18804084 >he's just not used to newhus. That's 100% how I am every new character. I hate them all from the get go, but I warm up to them after a month or so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 16:25:49 2018 No.18823500 >>18820268 No, I meant The Concealed Four Seasons and Illusionary White Traveler.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 12:05:45 2018 No.18829004 >>18820268 >Secret God Matara Amazing intro, forgettable rest

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 08:53:10 2018 No.18834284 the best character design is the one in your heart

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