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[Anonymous No.]

Fuck Okina. Just because she's younger you think she's better? Yukari is the classic for true fans.

[Anonymous No.]

Okina makes the fight against her unwinnable without outside intervetions.
Yukari can't even get some keystone off the ground.
Kasen is best sage anyway, so it doesn't really matter though.

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>>18678610
(Even in the EX stage Okina could have defeated the players at any time. Beat it with Aya to discover this)

[Anonymous No.]

>Protagonist can't win
>Yukari gives them a 'trump card'
>Okina could still have ended it at any time but didn't just to humor you
Yukari is a brainlet

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>>18678671
Okina boobie!

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>>18678671
okina boobie

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>>18678696
>>18678691

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>>18678700
okina boobie

[Anonymous No.]

Okina mommy

[Anonymous No.]

Know your place old hag.

[Anonymous No.]

Sad doorfag falseflag thread and I still fell for it.

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>>18679540

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>>18681471
Okina's small butt from sitting all day on her chair can't compare with Yukari's big plump perfect butt.

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>>18681528
It's a shame Yukari doesn't have canon boobs

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>>18681591
Yeah, else Okina might actually kill herself from jealousy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18681634
Okina
>Outsmarted Yukari
>Canon boobs
>A god
>One of the oldest japanese ones, delights in her age because it gives her wisdom
>Accomplished her goal in her incident
Maribel
>her 'trick' could've been undone at any second provided okina actually wanted to win
>probably a dumbass ningen turned youkai
>desperately denies her age because she wants to be 17 again
>no canon ass or boobs
>gained nothing of value in her lunar invasions
What's there to be jealous about? Yukari is a failure.

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>>18681739
>has to pull shit out his ass
Sad.

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>>18681754
K

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>>18681754
>>18681775
Why do you two care so much? Yukari and Okina are only fighting for the second place anyway so it's not like it matters.

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>>18681775
Amazing point as always. Though at least you're not as delusional as Kasenfags.

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>>18681830
Read some mangas, play the extras, read into the lore.
>>18681816
Kasen is firmly last place.

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>>18681865
>Read some mangas, play the extras, read into the lore.
I've read SSiB, FS and WaHH, as well as played FSiS and I still don't see how you could've pulled all those claims anywhere aside from your ass.
Keep trying though, I'm sure Okina will emerge from there sooner or later, since she's the goddess of back door and all.

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>>18681914
She could've won over Yukari's plot in-game at any point by closing the protags' back door instead of letting them dance around with the border between seasons.
She has canon boobs, as seen in WaHH and even in ZUN's artwork.
She's a god, and her lore makes her possibly one of the older shinto gods in Japan.
She accomplished the goal of her incident, which was to gain attention, for a god that also means attaining power.

This means that:
Yukari's trick could've been undone at any point, but Okina had already won the war so it didn't matter.
Yukari has connections to Maribel i.e a ningen.
She's probably older than Yukari.
Yukari doesn't have many showings for canon boobs, at least not in recent works, and they're far less pronounced (pic related)
And she gained nothing of true value, some sake, some intimidation, but she didn't win resources or anything. Okina did with her plot, though.

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>>18681979
>She could've won over Yukari's plot in-game at any point by closing the protags' back door instead of letting them dance around with the border between seasons.
Like most of what she says in the manga, such as "I could recreate Gensokyo from the ground up if I wanted to" (which is obviously bullshit), this is likely yet another boast. Even if it weren't it says nothing about whether if she's more powerful than Yukari, since manipulating seasons is quite literally just Yukari fucking around (as evidenced by PCB).
>She has canon boobs
That was Aya's interpretation of Zun's direction of making Okina more mature.
>She's a god, and her lore makes her possibly one of the older shinto gods in Japan.
Ok. Want a cookie? Or doughnut?
>She accomplished the goal of her incident, which was to gain attention, for a god that also means attaining power.
No. Gods gain power from faith, and faith doesn't come from negative attention, which was mostly what Okina got.
>This means that:
They certainly do not mean what you think they mean.

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>>18682029
>(which is obviously bullshit)
Which you have no proof for, I didn't say anything about their power in relation to each other, only that Okina outsmarted her, which she did.
>Ok. Want a cookie? Or doughnut?
Yes, thank you.
>That was Aya's interpretation of Zun's direction of making Okina more mature.
See pic
>No. Gods gain power from faith, and faith doesn't come from negative attention, which was mostly what Okina got.
And faith came from the incident, people can't believe in her if she never makes her power known, which is what she did.
>They certainly do not mean what you think they mean.
They're just not what you wanna hear, but that's too bad.

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>>18682097
>Which you have no proof for,
Yukari was the sole creator of the Great Hakurei Barrier, and without which Gensokyo wouldn't exist. I think it's safe to assume that "making Gensokyo from the ground up" is an exaggeration at best.
>I didn't say anything about their power in relation to each other
Yeah that was my bad. It wasn't
>only that Okina outsmarted her, which she did.
Would you say that you outsmarted me if I playfully punched you out if your goal was to get a good night's sleep? It's almost like Yukari didn't even give a shit whether or not Okina gains any faith.
>Yes, thank you.
What genus?
>And faith came from the incident, people can't believe in her if she never makes her power known, which is what she did.
Just "believing" doesn't necessary get her worshippers though, and practically that's really what give gods their powers.

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>>18682142
>Yukari was the sole creator of the Great Hakurei Barrier
Nope, that was the sages, as in Kasen, Okina, Yukari and quite possibly more.
Your claim has no validity.
>Would you say that you outsmarted me if I playfully punched you out if your goal was to get a good night's sleep?
No, it's a lot like rolling all your knights and footmen out on field, having your city nuked into a crater and declaring victory because you defeated a small portion of the enemy nation's army.
>Just "believing" doesn't necessary get her worshippers though, and practically that's really what give gods their powers.
I don't see anybody worshiping Hecatia nowadays, yet she remains the most confirmed powerful touhou character in comparison to the characters from the moon and Gensokyo.
But according to ZUN's omake:
"Her true goal was to stand out.
To make a big show of herself, and engrave herself into the memories of every human, youkai, and sage in Gensokyo."
This kind of goal makes no sense unless: Merely being admired for benign things like power gives you faith. Or perhaps that attention lets a god keep living.

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>>18682216
>Nope, that was the sages,
They have a hand in the creation and maintenance.
>Some time in the 15th century, the youkai now known as Yukari Yakumo set the groundwork for the barrier with her "Youkai Expansion Plan", turning Gensokyo into a haven for youkai by enchanting it to attract the fantastic and repel the mundane.[1][2][3]
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Great_Hakurei_Barrier
At face value, all the wiki says is that Yukari began the construction of and wrote the blueprints for the Barrier while the Sages only agreed to it. It's time to take your own advice.
>Although Yukari is widely acknowledged as the barrier's "creator",[1][4] Yuyuko Saigyouji doubts that even she could create a barrier of this level by herself.
"Widely acknowledged aside from possibly Yuyuko's limited knowledge" is a pretty safe bet for the validity of my claims.
>No, it's a lot like rolling all your knights and footmen out on field, having your city nuked into a crater and declaring victory because you defeated a small portion of the enemy nation's army.
I don't see this at all. Okina didn't defeat anyone, she just said she could have.
>I don't see anybody worshiping Hecatia nowadays
She doesn't live in Gensokyo and doesn't live by Gensokyo's rules, while Kanako as well as the Hakurei god do.
>"Her true goal was to stand out."
Seem like Okina doesn't care about whether she gains faith or not either. Great god there.
>This kind of goal makes no sense
Why would it not? She accomplished her apparent goal of being noticed, not gathering faith.

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>>18682270
>They have a hand in the creation and maintenance.
The page you linked directly contradicts what you said, she's not the sole creator. By being the sole creator, both plans and action would have to be hers (they weren't) and it's not made clear whether she actually did it on her own and it's even questioned by her closest friend. Too vague to rely on.
>Okina didn't defeat anyone, she just said she could have.
Canonically she defeated all the protagonists by using her ability to drain the energy from their doors and could have done it again if she just closed the door. This was during the 'rematch' and she had done all she had to do for the incident anyway.
>She doesn't live in Gensokyo and doesn't live by Gensokyo's rules, while Kanako as well as the Hakurei god do.
There's no evidence that gods work differently outside the barrier barring perhaps a lack of magic in the environment which we don't know in itself if it does anything to gods.
>Seem like Okina doesn't care about whether she gains faith or not either. Great god there.
Standing out and ingraining herself in the minds of people sounds a lot like making them believe in her, even if it isn't dedicated worship.
>Why would it not? She accomplished her apparent goal of being noticed, not gathering faith.
Read between the lines, for once, having the average man gush over her (which is exactly what Marisa did) was her plan. You don't have to bow down and pray to have faith, as stated by Kanako herself in one of the MoF endings.

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>>18682359
>There's no evidence that gods work differently outside the barrier barring perhaps a lack of magic in the environment which we don't know in itself if it does anything to gods.
To add to this, it's noted that the outside world does only one thing: It changes where the faith is placed, in the outside world faith is placed in news and friendship, not gods.

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>>18682359
>(they weren't)
Source? The wiki doesn't explicitly state who exactly were involved in the creation but Yukari was definitely the head planner and creator. "Laid the groundwork"
>This was during the 'rematch' and she had done all she had to do for the incident anyway.
That was my point though. She didn't defeat anyone and didn't need to.
>There's no evidence that gods work differently outside the barrier barring perhaps a lack of magic in the environment which we don't know in itself if it does anything to gods.
There's also no evidence that they have to work the same either. If anything the fact that gods in Gensokyo work a certain way should indicate that Okina should work that way as well.
>Standing out and ingraining herself in the minds of people sounds a lot like making them believe in her, even if it isn't dedicated worship.
Faith AND worshippers are necessary for the gods' power. Otherwise why would there be shrines for worshippers to gather if "gods" could just start incidents everywhere anytime to gain more power?
>Read between the lines
First you only accept things (the wiki) by just face value and now you want to read between Zun's own words. Why don't you be consistent for once? Read between the lines dude Yukari definitely created the Barrier.

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>>18682407
>Source? The wiki doesn't explicitly state who exactly were involved in the creation but Yukari was definitely the head planner and creator.
The same source you're using says that the barrier (proper) itself was proposed by the sages and erected by humans, then reinforced by youkai, what youkai? We don't know.
>She didn't defeat anyone and didn't need to.
She defeated them once before with a different method, in the extra she only revealed that she could do it again and even easier.
>There's also no evidence that they have to work the same either. If anything the fact that gods in Gensokyo work a certain way should indicate that Okina should work that way as well.
No, there is. There is referrals to how faith works in the outside world and it's much like Gensokyo, except for where it's placed. It's however likely that the focus varies from god to god. See >>18682382
>Faith AND worshippers are necessary for the gods' power. Otherwise why would there be shrines for worshippers to gather if "gods" could just start incidents everywhere anytime to gain more power?
Worshippers are an efficient way of gaining long term traction among people without doing any work yourself, which fits a secret god, people follow the herd. It's noted in one of Reimu's MoF endings that you are wrong anyway.
"In the outside world, people's faith in gods was weakened by the appearance of bad cults and religions. However, all gods benefit from all faith in them. Even though faith and entreatment are different things."
And then it directly compares faith to faith in friends or news.
"People believe in the news, brands, companies, and friends. The object of their faith has merely shifted closer."
>First you only accept things (the wiki) by just face value and now you want to read between Zun's own words.
I'm using information from the games, the manga and written print works. I'm not going by 'the wiki' at face value, I'm going by the sources it uses, which just happens to be official material.
>Why don't you be consistent for once? Read between the lines dude Yukari definitely created the Barrier.
Because there's no reason to assume she did by her sole effort. I'll give you that Kasen is not knowledgeable enough to have had a hand in the construction of the thing itself though, she's clueless.
And I have supported by stance with information regarding how faith works, reading between the lines is an applicable saying because we pretty much know what it is implying as per other information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18682510
>which fits a secret god
I meant that it doesn't fit a secret god. She does however have a bunch of other identities she makes use of.
My mistake in spelling.

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>>18682510
>reinforced by youkai, what youkai? We don't know.
That's not a refutation that Yukari herself made the barrier. The "youkai" could refer to just Yukari. Again, we don't know, but this is irrelevant.
>except for where it's placed.
So it doesn't work like in Gensokyo. Got it.
>Worshippers are an efficient way of gaining long term traction among people without doing any work yourself
That was a typo, it should say (existential) belief and worshippers are necessary. Faith comes from these two.
>I'm using information from the games, the manga and written print works. I'm not going by 'the wiki' at face value, I'm going by the sources it uses, which just happens to be official material.
Yes, and you assuming that Okina's "true" true goal was to gather faith and become more powerful isn't you "just going by the official sources". The sources say she just wanted attention, and this is not sufficient for faith nor power.
>Because there's no reason to assume she did by her sole effort.
That's not sufficient for denying that Yukari did it herself. And apparently there are plenty of reasons to believe that since it's "widely accepted".
>because we pretty much know what it is implying as per other information.
Ah yes proof by obviousness. It's also obvious that you're pulling everything from your ass.

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>>18682559
>But this is irrelevant.
Agreed.
>So it doesn't work like in Gensokyo. Got it.
No, the objects of worship are different, Gensokyo is just an exclusion zone, but you can still give faith. Gods need faith to exist.
>That was a typo, it should say (existential) belief and worshippers are necessary. Faith comes from these two.
Belief (faith) and worship are not mutually inclusive. Reimu's ending in MoF states "There's no difference between faith and the ability to share a nice drink together like this."
Proving that you don't need to have a shrine with dedicated followers to be a god, it's just efficient. Combine this with the previous canon statements and faith can basically be reduced to having fondness of something, that's how things like fucking DBZ would be attracting faith.
Okina, wanting to be a secret god, does well without a shrine and dedicated worshipers (although Matarajin had temples in the past). Instead she induces a reaction of awe, wonder and such, which is what happened with Marisa in CoLA. Thus it makes sense.
>Yes, and you assuming that Okina's "true" true goal was to gather faith and become more powerful isn't you "just going by the official sources". The sources say she just wanted attention, and this is not sufficient for faith nor power.
I'm equating attention to faith because that's essentially what she'd be getting. Again, it makes sense and it's what she'd gain anyway. Ara and Nigi, when they are worshiped they will protect people and grant them blessings.
>That's not sufficient for denying that Yukari did it herself. And apparently there are plenty of reasons to believe that since it's "widely accepted".
Wider acceptance is not a proper reassurance and checking out the actual source that the wiki uses, it mentions in PMiSS (an unreliable source) that "it is said she created the barrier".
This statement is about as reliable as "I could recreate Gensokyo from the ground up if I wanted to" which is a statement made by Okina, coincidentally, this statement is also applied to Yukari.

It's also noted in Okina through some means can also hinder the outside world from harming the barrier. All of this suggests that she has some knowledge on its construction, but it's about as reliable as PMiSS, or even less since PMiSS is an exaggeration made to embolden youkai in the eyes of humans.
None of this proves anything, it's speculation. And ultimately pointless. We can move on from talking about who created the barrier, because there's no point in it beyond headcanon.

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>>18682698
>this statement is also applied to Yukari.
Forgot to source this, it's from Imperishable Night

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>>18682698
>Agreed
So why bring it up as (presumably) a refutation?
>No, the objects of worship are different
So it works differently than in Gensokyo. Got it.
>Belief (faith) and worship are not mutually inclusive.
I've never said otherwise. I meant what I posted
>>Faith AND worshippers are necessary for the gods' power. Otherwise why would there be shrines for worshippers to gather if "gods" could just start incidents everywhere anytime to gain more power?
Should have "(existential) belief" instead of "faith".
>I'm equating attention to faith because that's essentially what she'd be getting.
Not necessarily.
>Again, it makes sense and it's what she'd gain anyway.
Proof? And whether she'd be getting faith from attention is not the same question as whether if she wanted faith to begin with.
>Ara and Nigi, when they are worshiped they will protect people and grant them blessings.
This is IF she gets faith, regardless if she wanted it in the first place. Again, different questions.
>Wider acceptance is not a proper reassurance
It doesn't guarantee it, but it sure is hell of a lot better than whatever refutation you've offered (which is none).
>(an unreliable source)
Why? It's written by Zun is it not?
>"I could recreate Gensokyo from the ground up if I wanted to" which is a statement made by Okina
Not quite. Akyuu is an impartial third party.
>None of this proves anything, it's speculation.
Exactly, and the things that ISN'T speculation points to a likelihood that Yukari made the Barrier rather than not and Okina didn't "outsmart" anyone in any way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18682757
>So it works differently than in Gensokyo. Got it.
The mechanics are not different.
>Worshippers and existential belief
I already disproved this, you don't need worshipers, it can be way simpler things.
>Not necessarily.
See: CoLA 31 and MoF Reimu's endings.
>Proof? And whether she'd be getting faith from attention is not the same question as whether if she wanted faith to begin with.
That is the end result, she gained a resource.
>but it sure is hell of a lot better than whatever refutation you've offered
I don't have to prove something that has no evidence.
>Why? It's written by Zun is it not?
Learn something about the sources you use.
PMiSS is written in-universe by Akyuu, with guidance from Yukari, in an effort to exaggerate youkai.
>Not quite. Akyuu is an impartial third party.
Akyuu is an unreliable third party source who in turn relies on sources she found. In PMiSS she also speculates a lot and saying that "It is said" is not anyway of determining something.
>Exactly, and the things that ISN'T speculation points to a likelihood that Yukari made the Barrier rather than not and Okina didn't "outsmart" anyone in any way.
She outsmarted Yukari by making her course of action useless in two ways. It's speculation that Yukari made the barrier as the only 'reliable' (not reliable) source states "It is said" which is not a decisive statement. That's the way ZUN intended it.

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>>18683090
>I already disproved this, you don't need worshipers, it can be way simpler things.
Yeah, "disproved this" by appealing to how things work OUTSIDE of Gensokyo. Real brilliant. I'm almost going to concede due to the second-hand embarrassment.
>See: CoLA 31 and MoF Reimu's endings.
So attention necessarily leads to faith? How does
>"There's no difference between faith and the ability to share a nice drink together like this."
prove this? Does anyone catching any of your attention immediately means that you want to have a nice drink with them? I know I sure wouldn't want to drink with you despite you taking up much of my attention.
>That is the end result, she gained a resource.
That is not the question. I don't care about what happened afterwards. We're talking about what Okina's goals are, since your claim that "she achieved her goal" rests on this.
>I don't have to prove something that has no evidence.
There is. Gensokyo Chronicles, PCB, the wiki, etc.
>PMiSS is written in-universe by Akyuu, with guidance from Yukari, in an effort to exaggerate youkai.
And Akyuu is a character created by Zun... How is something written by Zun not reliable? maybe you should again take your own advice and learn what sources I'm using.
>Akyuu is an unreliable third party source who in turn relies on sources she found.
She's the Child of Hieda, and has her memories from all of her past lives. Her incarnations have presumably foreseen all of the incidents in Gensokyo so how exactly is she "unreliable"?
>PMiSS is written in-universe by Akyuu, with guidance from Yukari, in an effort to exaggerate youkai.
And? If the sages actually did help Yukari create the boundary wouldn't they react to Yukari making Akyuu write that she did it all by herself? Or are you saying that Yukari outsmarted all of them by sneaking this one under their noses?
>She outsmarted Yukari by making her course of action useless in two ways.
So if you dodged a piece of garbage that I was going to litter away you've "outsmarted" me? Again, what Yukari did in FSiS is her just fucking around. In fact it's her fucking around even more than she did in PCB.
>It's speculation that Yukari made the barrier as the only 'reliable' (not reliable) source states "It is said"
But that statement IS made in canon, while none of yours are.

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>>18683199
>OUTSIDE of Gensokyo
Maybe you should prove how mechanically different it is. The ending refers to creatures being worshiped Gensokyo as well as the outside world. You made a claim, now back it up.
>pove this? Does anyone catching any of your attention immediately means that you want to have a nice drink with them? I know I sure wouldn't want to drink with you despite you taking up much of my attention.
I already told you that Marisa basically gushed over the shit Okina did, that's the kind of attention that can be counted as faith.
>We're talking about what Okina's goals are, since your claim that "she achieved her goal" rests on this.
Her goal was to grab attention with her power and did so, thus garnering her faith. In turn it also showed that she was one of the strongest in Gensokyo and that people can't do as they please.
>There is. Gensokyo Chronicles, PCB, the wiki, etc.
Cite it, I have and I have critiqued the sources too.
>And Akyuu is a character created by Zun... How is something written by Zun not reliable?
Because a character has motivations and may not be omniscient, specifically, Akyuu is not omniscient.
>Her incarnations have presumably foreseen all of the incidents in Gensokyo so how exactly is she "unreliable"?
Foreseen? You mean witnessed? Living a long life in the area does not guarantee perfect knowledge. She was not a sage, she knows not how the barrier was erected, she wrote "it is said." not of her own source.
>If the sages actually did help Yukari create the boundary wouldn't they react to Yukari making Akyuu write that she did it all by herself?
The sages we know of have been absent for a while, furthermore, that's up to their character. And clearly they haven't been interested in that, if you think it is out of character, maybe you should talk to ZUN about it.
>So if you dodged a piece of garbage that I was going to litter away you've "outsmarted" me?
Yukari set up a strategy to 'stop', she already accomplished her goal and could basically have flipped a switch and instantly KOd you. The victory in the end was hollow, she already won the first bouts legit anyway.
>What Yukari did in FSiS is her just fucking around
I'm sure you can cite this, Okina recognized it as her doing, but there was nothing else.
>But that statement IS made in canon, while none of yours are.
It's not a statement that can be considered entirely truthful in the setting. Thus I don't have to abide by it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18682029
You're retarded. Aya admits Okina could have closed the Border Between Seasons at any time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18683318
>The ending refers to creatures being worshiped Gensokyo as well as the outside world.
So you can have a drink with the news? With religion? "Having faith" obviously works in a more literal sense in Gensokyo than in the outside world.
>You made a claim, now back it up.
No. You quite literally have to back up your claim about faith working the same way in Gensokyo as in the outside world, because they manifestly don't.
>I already told you that Marisa basically gushed over the shit Okina did
So to you "haha wow that's pretty impressive" = gushing. Is Marisa gonna have faith in Okina now even though she's seen other gods do all the other shit all the time? Or do you unironically believe that having drinks with Okina is sufficient for Okina to become more powerful from Marisa?
>Her goal was to grab attention with her power and did so
Yes.
>thus garnering her faith.
Citations needed.
>In turn it also showed that she was one of the strongest in Gensokyo and that people can't do as they please.
So? I didn't say anything contrary to this. Why did you bring this up?
>Cite it, I have and I have critiqued the sources too.
Literally all in the wiki link.
>Foreseen? You mean witnessed? Living a long life in the area does not guarantee perfect knowledge.
Foreseen as in overseen, not predicted.
>And clearly they haven't been interested in that
Granted, that just means that the sages obviously don't care or know enough to challenge what Yukari makes Akyuu write.
>I'm sure you can cite this
I don't need to, since it's clear what she did in FSiS is small time compared to what transpired in PCB. And if Reimu's phantasm ending in PCB doesn't indicate it's just her fucking around I don't know what does.
>It's not a statement that can be considered entirely truthful in the setting.
Regardless, it's still made in the setting, while nothing of the sort you've made is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18683411
>"Having faith" obviously works in a more literal sense in Gensokyo
Speculation.
>No. You quite literally have to back up your claim about faith working the same way in Gensokyo as in the outside world
"The object of their faith has merely shifted closer."
>Citations needed.
Refer to everything I've posted before.
>Literally all in the wiki link.
I already critiqued the sources.
>Foreseen as in overseen, not predicted.
Akyuu didn't oversee anything regarding the creation of the border, nothing can know conclusively, there's not even a hint.
>Granted, that just means
It doesn't mean anything, it could mean they care. It could mean they love the thought of it. It could mean they hate it with all their might and they're secretly plotting Akyuu to be assassinated 1 second before she dies of natural causes. Mere conjecture on your part. They haven't been interested in it as far as we know, they haven't gone down to the village in a long time before the events of the Touhou games/manga they appear in.
>since it's clear what she did in FSiS is small time compared to what transpired in PCB
Okina caused a larger mess with way more factors involved, opening many different doors across Gensokyo to make the fairies and seasons go berserk. It's quite different from stealing spring essence. In fact, it's hardly comparable.
>Regardless, it's still made in the setting, while nothing of the sort you've made is.
Reread everything I've posted, again.
You make no effort to actually refute what I say that's relevant to your arguments, I'll consider this your concession.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18683518
>"The object of their faith has merely shifted closer."
To further elaborate on this, there is not a single mention about the mechanics being different. In fact, they are the same. The only, ONLY thing it says that could be misinterpreted as "it works differently in gensokyo" is "Faith has instead been placed on various things such as friendship and news.", which is literally just them believing in something else.
Gain a large following in the outside world and it will remain the same. If it was such a hassle for gods inside of Gensokyo to survive in the Outside, why not bring someone to believe in them? Or is it only exclusive to the gods in Gensokyo? That'd be a prison for them, which is an unlikely scenario.
I'm ending this.

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>>18683518
>Speculation.
It's a speculation on your part that that's a speculation. See? I can do it too.
>"The object of their faith has merely shifted closer."
So it doesn't work like in Gensokyo. God it.
>I already critiqued the sources.
The extent of your "critique" was "no you". It does not refute anything I've said.
>Akyuu didn't oversee anything regarding the creation of the border, nothing can know conclusively, there's not even a hint.
I didn't say she did. I merely stated that she's seen events that transpired in the human village so she's far from a "unreliable source", in general.
>It doesn't mean anything
Of course it does. In fact it's mere conjecture on our part that it doesn't mean anything. And it's actually harder to prove the non-existence of something instead of the converse so I'll be waiting warmly for you to produce one.
>Okina caused a larger mess with way more factors involved
When did I compare what Okina did in FSiS to what Yukari did in PCB? I compared what Yukari did in both cases, you numbnut.
>Reread everything I've posted, again.
I just did, and it's still lacking.
>You make no effort to actually refute what I say
I did though. Everything you've said is pure speculation and, again, pulled from within your ass.
>I'll consider this your concession.
Yeah I'm getting tired of punching down anyway.

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>>18683557
>God
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>our
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>>18683557
You're retarded. Aya admits Okina could have closed the Border Between Seasons at any time.

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>>18683557
>being this desperate
Review what you've said, I've already given plenty of evidence from actual game endings, I've critiqued lore sources for their reliability. Witnessing events or being around for their age is not a deciding factor on your reliability, if that was the case I would know who did 9/11

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>>18683582
>putting words in my mouth
My statement about Akyuu was to refute your claim that she's an unreliable source, not that she's "unrealiable regarding the creation of the barrier". Go enroll in one of Keine's reading comprehension courses before you start opening your mouth(s).

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>>18683603
Is this the best borderfags can do?

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>>18683630
Apparently it's enough to shut down whatever the doorfags can come up with.
>I've already given plenty of evidence from actual game endings
Also you've done nothing of the sort. All you've done is try to wordplay your way into saying that faith works by having drinks GIVEN Okina's goal was to garner faith, the latter claim of which has no canonical support.
Cry harder. I can't help you dislodge everything that's stuck up your ass.

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>>18683655
Aya in the extra ending proved Okina beat Yukari.

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>Hagfags this desparate

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>akyuu
Useless child of Miare . Only good for propaganda.

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>>18684742
Since Yukari can just manipulate the boundary between truth and lie there's no well-defined notion of "reality" anymore anyway.

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>>18681528
Saggy like Eirin's P-cup tits.

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>>18681830
Read your own post >>18681754 before lecturing anybody on points.

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>>18684815

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>>18684809
Silly Yukarin. State of your boobs says otherwise.

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>>18684901
I don't see what you mean to be quite honest.

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>>18684815
That sounds like a good thing