/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

How to japanese kids memorize 3000 kanjis?
i want to learn japanese but i don't think i'll ever memorize them since i'm really dumb

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>>18350291
A lot of them don't anymore

[Anonymous No.]

Suffering with anki for a year or two can do it. It's not how Japanese kids learn them though. And not as thorough. But at least you can read VNs or whatever.

Why don't you go ask djt?

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>>18350291
1 at a time, by rote.
I can read over 1800 and write somewhere around 400-800, it's not as hard as it sounds.
The vast majority are made out of the same components of simpler ones, like in the picture you posted. A majority of those contain a semantic and phonetic component, which makes it easier to guess the meaning and pronunciation of characters you don't know (excluding kun-yomi however)

[Anonymous No.]

They don't learn that much, actually it's 2136 if I remember correctly.
As of kanji memorizing, you can learn 3000 in a year if you use Anki combined with mnemonic techniques.

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How do Chinese kids learn Chinese

[Anonymous No.]

Fifty fucking times in your notebook you bitch!

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>>18350291

I just learnt words.

[Anonymous No.]

The same way Chinese kids memorize 5000 hanzis. It's not even that hard

[Anonymous No.]

俺日本人だけど
漢字を3000個覚えるよりも
英単語3000個覚える方が難しいと思う

あと漢字は字自体を１つの絵として覚えること
字をバラして（新＝立＋木＋斤のように）考えちゃいけない

諦めるな　がんばれ

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>>18350291
By learning it over a period of 18 fucking years. And here you are, probably having put in only around one year and learned 1000 already, bitching about how slow and painful it is. Woah is you.

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>>18350597
日本人にとっちゃ英単語はそんなにむずいなの？マジで？

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>>18350291
They're not arbitrary. They make sense and the difficulty curve just goes down. Learning english vocab+english spelling is a lot harder than just learning a handfull of radicals and characters to mesh together at will.
Joyo's dead easy

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>>18350291
lmao get gud
You can memorize 100 in 1 months studying in the bus like 30mins/day

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>>18350790
>Learning english vocab+english spelling is a lot harder than just learning a handfull of radicals and characters to mesh together at will
As someone who both learned English and is learning Japanese as secondary languages, I feel pretty confident in saying that this is the dumbest shit I've read all day.

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>>18350798
Is the bus mandatory?

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Learning vocab is challenging, learning kanji for it really isn't, It just makes it easier to read

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>>18350805
I need to know too. I cycle to work because it saves me shitloads of time and money. I really don't want to get back on the bus. Is there something I can substitute the bus for?

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>>18350803
O.K.

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>>18350814
Library 30 minutes a day

[Anonymous No.]

Just learn them with radicals

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck this stupid ass outdated system

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>>18350555
Chinese is easier because even if they have to learn more characters, there's less readings than in Japanese.
Seriously, look up 生 in a Japanese Kanji dictionary and then in a Hanzi dictionary, see the differences in the number of readings.
While that's an extreme example, there are still a fuckton of characters with two on-yomi and one or more kun-yomi like 読 (ドク、トク、よ・む）

>>18350597
日本語単語を1万個覚える方が難しい
更に「蠱惑的」のようなあまり見かけない単語を覚えたが時間の無駄だった
大体俺は日本語を読んだり聞いたりするとき、知らない単語が出たら辞書で検索できるし

>>18350786
綴りと発音が一致しないからと思う
That and there aren't a lot of cognates like with English and French (or German, etc.), so they have to basically learn the words from scratch.

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>>18350734
You think he's even put in a year? w

p.s. it's "woe is you"

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>>18350291
>How to japanese kids memorize kanji?
A dozen or so years of schooling and thousands of hours worth of reading, writing, etc. When a kid is living in Japan and Japanese is the only tool for communicating with others, it is really hard not to end up learning kanji because they aren't something you avoid. Unless parents are native English speakers and invested a lot of time and effort in forcing the kid to grow up in an English language bubble.

>>18350303
Sure, school dropouts and elderly with memory diseases. Most Japanese know a few thousand kanji, regardless of whatever dumb gaijin click bait articles or videos you've read or watched.
Keep your dumb EOP opinions to yourself.

>i want to learn japanese
You aren't a Japanese kid so don't worry about their procees. If you want to learn Japanese to an adult in less than around two decades, like it takes natives, bookmark this website: https://djtguide.neocities.org
It has all the basic tools and resources you need, courtesy of some anons. There is a daily Japanese language learning general under the same name on /jp/ and /int/, but it is mostly a negative distraction for beginners so I'd suggest avoiding it as much as possible.

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>>18350734
>Woah is you
Radical.

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>>18351628
>p.s. it's "woe is you"
tomato potatoe, same difference.

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>>18350597
わかる
英語は文字の羅列だけど漢字は音と意味があるから覚えやすい

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>>18350291
Ki-Ki-Hayazhi, I can not see forest for all the trees

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>>18350555
>>18350555
Chinese kids are expected to drill hundreds of characters earlier than Japanese kids, though, since they have no syllabary like kana and have to learn to write hanzi as soon as they can, lest they look like idiots compared to everyone else.

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>>18351713
You're an idiot, please never post again.

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>>18350597
分けたほうが分かりやすいんだが。

月がついてたら大抵肉体的な意味だから楽だったりするし。

[Anonymous No.]

1000-ish in elementary school, the rest in middle school is the "official" way.

But in reality kids read shit like manga/novels/randomshit and figure it out themselves since nobody reads just grade level shit.

It's the same way westerners learn vocab. No kid only knows vocab from just school, else they'd sound fucking stunted as hell.

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They do it just fine because they're of a higher race.

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>>18353999
took long enough for someone to finally post a nonsense answer.

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>>18350291
The same way you learned all the stupid, nonsensical spelling and grammar rules in English, rote memorization and 12 years of school.

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>>18354108
It's true though. East Asians have the second highest IQ scores of any race.

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>>18350291

WanKani is amazing. It's been so helpful for me with remembering the kanji and their readings.

http://wanikani.com/

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>>18350291
>女 (Female/Woman/Girl)
>女 x 女 = 奻 (Quarrel/Stupid)
>女 x 女 x女 = 姦 (Wicked/Rape)

what

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>>18354407
Accurate

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>>18354407
I see nothing wrong here

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>>18354227
I misread the autocomplete as "no-nonsense", my bad.

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>>18353036
Ki-Ki-Hayashi, I no see fores for all da tree

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>>18354407
>女 (Female/Woman/Girl)
>女+hat=安 (Cheap)

What

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>>18355019
women in gensokyo are cheap?

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>>18354407
>>18355019
女 (woman) + 又 (hand) = 奴 (slave)
女 (woman) + 家 (house) = 嫁 (bride)
安 (woman under roof) = tranquil, safe (cheap is a derived meaning)
女 (woman) + bottom part of 箒 (broom) = 婦 (woman, wife)
女 (woman) + 昌 (prosperous, bright) = 娼 (prostitute)

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>>18351519
>says the guy using a 3000 year old bicameral alphabet based on a 5000 year old bicameral alphabet based on a 7000 year old bicameral alphabet
>says the guy writing in a language with conjugation rules more complex than quantum physics
>says the guy communicating in a language with spelling rules so absurd even the ones native speakers make up to help them keep track of all the bullshit don't always work
If England didn't rape half the world for spice and America never became a defacto world empire the English langauge would seem just as retarded and outdated as Japanese does today.

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>>18350803
Do you also regularly post on japanese forums, or are you only exposing yourself to the english language on a daily basis?

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>>18356466
>Do you also regularly post on japanese forums
No, I don't, but I don't see how that is relevant. What makes you think I have absolutely nor recollection of my English learning process?

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>>18350803
What's your mother tounge?

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>>18356380
Japanese decided to slap a completely unrelated system onto its words and for that reason alone is dumber. It's... well it's like if it was decided that English would be written using Chinese characters and character combinations were assigned to words. And then persisted in not even updating to using simplified versions. English doesn't have any words that just have random characters slapped on because they have the proper sound rather than meaning. Something like "blue" and "grass" will never be combined as "bluegrass", pronounced "ambergris", and mean "the moment before dawn".

[Anonymous No.]

午 = 12:00 m
牛 = cow
why is japanese so dumb?

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>>18356650
Yeah. Instead we just outright steal words from other Germanic and Romance langauges without changing their spelling to conform with traditional English spelling rules.
e.g.
>aisle
>facade
>island
>entree
>faux pas
>indict
>liaison
Or better yet shove random letters into words for no other reason than to make them seem more Latin.
e.g.
>tounge
>receipt
>asthma
>knight
>knead
>thought
And let's not forget our retarded homophones
>two, to, too
>there, their, they're
>here, hear
>for, four, fore
And then there's things like this
>bow, bow, bow, bow, bow
What am I talking about? The front of a ship? An archer's weapon? A piece of clothing? Something an actor does at the end of a play? A lace decoration? No one knows. You can't know. It's completely contextual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18356486
Lithuanian

[Anonymous No.]

H E I S I G
E
I
S
I
G
you dumb dekinai

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>>18350440
I don't fucking know man, I'd be easily convinced if you told me the nation as a whole is illiterate.

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>>18350734
Assuming most anon are about 22 years old, that means you'll only be 40 by the time you can read basic japanese. You'll still be into chinese cartoons by then right anon-kun?

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>>18350798
>You can memorize 100 in 1 months studying in the bus like 30mins/day
>1 months studying in the bus like 30mins/day
>1 months studying in the bus

How's that English coming along senpai?

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>>18356839
I changed my mind English is fucking retarded.

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>>18357321
I like this

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>>18357435
More like your opinion on anything is retarded.

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>>18351569
読み方の多い漢字でも覚えにくくないと思うけど、覚えやすいと言おうとしているわけではない。たとえば、複数の訓読みがある「上」のような漢字の場合は、たいてい「あが（る）」「のぼ（る）」などの読み方が意味が異なる言葉を現す。だから難しすぎないだろうね。「総」「義」「誤」「惰」「純」などの音読みが一つしかない漢字もある。「議」「問」「架」「講」などの漢字も覚えにくくないだろう。音読みがそれぞれ「義」「門」「加」「購」と同じだから。それにしても、漢字の勉強するのがめんどくさい気がする人が多いことはもっともだ。

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>>18356752
午 means horse.
One theory holds that 午 is excepted 牛's horn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18359331
Sorry, when I looked it was wrong.
But it's difficult for me to explain...

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>>18357392
>missing the point this hard
I think you should quit Japanese. There's no hope for you if you can't even get English down.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know where to find an ebook/pdf of 太陽と鉄 by 三島由紀夫?

I don't mind paying for it, I just don't want to lug around a physical book.

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>>18353963
うーん
確かにその方が覚えやすい気はするけど
漢字を１つの固まりとして覚えておかないと
文章読むとき時間かかると思うよ

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>>18359632
覚えるのと読むのは違う。

千羽鶴見る時、鶴の折り方を意識する人なんて居ないのと同じ。

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>>18357321
It’s a shame so many learners dismiss RTK because they fell for the ”you’re not actually learning japanese” meme. Obviously you need to learn the alphabet before you learn how to write in latin languages so why should moonrunes be any different?

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>>18359632
>>18359675
非漢字圏の人々にとっては不可解かもしれないけど

漢字圏の人は、幼い頃に四苦八苦しながら覚えていき、そのうち一つのかたまりとして認識するんだよね。

だからalphabet圏の人が「大便と便利」を見て喜ぶ事を幼い頃に済ませているわけ。

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>>18357392
The general rule of thumb is that If you study regularly you can achieve conversational fluency in 4-6 years. Adults, not surprisingly, actually learn faster than children.

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>>18359974
But my youtube videos told me that I can become fluent in a month!

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>>18357392
I've met multiple /jp/ers that have lived in Japan for maybe 2-3 years that speak extremely fluent Japanese. And obviously, the ones that have lived here for nearly a decade have larger vocab/insight/etc..., but you can get to the level where you can fool natives over the phone, or if you're asian, pretend to be Japanese for a while.

DESU, if you get the intonation right you can even do this in your first year by using certain phrases/body language.

If you can say even simple shit like 「えっ」 with perfect intonation, I will almost guarantee you that japs will immediately switch to Japanese because it indicates a level of fluency.

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>>18359746
Because Kanji aren't an "alphabet" in that sense of the word. Also Heisig's way of teaching Kanji ignores almost completely the context in which they're usually used and a lot of his keywords are wrong or useless when you actually want to understand the words they're used in.

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>>18359746
People tend to learn the alphabet in a way that makes sense though, like "A is for Apple".

They don't learn it like "A means crayon", and then 5 months later they learn that "crayon" is pronounced ah or ayy. Adding an intermediate step is just pure insanity.

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>>18356473
I'm saying that you're regularly exposing yourself to English, so of fucking course you learned it quicker and easier. Integrating yourself into a language is by far the quickest and easiest way to learn a language.

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>>18361433
Do you think I started out my learning progress posting on 4chan? How fucking dense are you?

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>>18357392
Yes.

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>>18361406
>>18361428
t. Stuck at N3 for two years

[Anonymous No.]

hey guys, i never come on this board but i figured this would be the place to ask, and since we're talking about kanji here this is perfect. long story short, i need help figuring out some kanji that is on a fan that i own. it's a big 6 foot wall fan but has very strange kanji. i'm fairly certain it's in chinese, but the fan itself is japanese, so that adds to the strangeness.

i've studied japanese for some time but the majority of the kanji here look like some kind of amalgamation, as if they are gibberish, using radicals from kanji that don't make sense to me. out of the 5 (or 7?) i've only been able to identify the third one, as "遐" which means far or distant, and is mainly only used in old chinese, very rare to appear in japanese, apparently.

i've been using kanji searches via radicals and components but i simply can't figure out any of the other ones. judging by the rarity of the one i did find, i'm guessing the rest are also ancient chinese. can anyone help identify these? i've had this on my wall for 10 years and i still have no idea what it says.

i appreciate any help!

[Anonymous No.]

What is the best place to find beginner's Japanese reading material besides news articles? I tried looking for raw manga but it's suprisingly difficult to find scans that are in a good enough resolution to read the furigana.

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>>18363640
It's not beginner material but there are books like "Breaking Into Japanese Literature" that have word-by-word translations on the opposite page. The actual writing is intermediate to advanced level however, since it's excerpts from actual short stories, mostly from the early-to-mid 20th century. There are similar books with more contemporary stories, but I can't remember the title of one.

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>>18363640
Visual novels with text hooker so you can look up unknown words in a dictionary as you go.

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>>18363957
do the text hookers work on steam games?

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>>18363481
well, the easy ones are "鹤" which means Crane and "松" for Pine. might take some time for the other ones

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>>18363481
>>18364386
and searching those 2 give me "松鶴遐齡" a Chinese proverb relating to a long lived life

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>>18356486
English and Lithuanian are Indo-European languages. You picked up English more easily because you can transfer a lot more grammar and vocabulary from your mother tongue. If you were a native Korean speaker you would find Japanese easier to learn than English.

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>>18356839
>Or better yet shove random letters into words for no other reason than to make them seem more Latin.
Are you fucking with me? None of those words are spelled remotely like Latin, and most are Scandinavian words that have simplified their pronunciations over the last 1200 years. English spelling is like it is because of the Norman and viking invasions and because of the Catholic Church's dissemination of Latin ideas and classical scholarship. English spelling is obnoxious to learn, but it gives you a lot of information about the etymology of certain words- for example, just by reading the "ps" in psychic you can know the word was originally Greek.

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>>18367090
Yeah I suppose the inherent difficulty of having thousands of entire pictures and mixtures of pictures that can each be pronounced in many different ways instead of having phonetic representations for words in writing has nothing to do with difficulty in regards to literacy. I mean after all, that is totally why China, while being quite a developed nation, isn't having literacy issues on a scale much larger than some much less developed ones. They're so fine in fact they don't even need any large scale writing reforms. It's all just familiarity bias. Clearly.

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>>18367412
It takes much more education for native speakers to learn Japanese or Chinese writing systems.

Kanji does not make it much harder to learn Japanese as a second language in the digital age, though. It may even make it easier, considering how many fucking homonyms Japanese has.

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>>18350291
Why not study just 5 kanji a day, I'm sure even you can manage it. In 2 years you will know as much kanji as the average Japanese.

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>>18355586
WTF I love Kanji now

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not afraid of 10,000 kanji, I'm afraid of 10,000,000 readings and grammar.

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>>18359974
>Adults, not surprisingly, actually learn faster than children.
What? i thought it was the other way around? due to people saying the children are incredibly malleable and aren't bogged down by shit (usually)

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>>18369903
Adults can learn faster, but it requires more effort (i.e. reps).
Children are better at learning languages naturally, but it takes time and immersion in an environment where that language is spoken.

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>>18364386
there is a crane on the fan, and a red sun. this is amazing, i've never seen these chatacters, thank you. there's still more to decode!

>>18364421
i think you may have found some of the other kanji!!!

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>>18369921
>Children are better at learning languages naturally
[citation needed]

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>>18350734
wait ain't 18 years a bit too much time? I mean You would probably be fluent in a language in about 10

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that you can't learn japanese

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>>18364421
>>18364386
i'm still working on this, i've also noticed that using any combination of these characters seems to also bring up the exact same kind of imagery, always cranes in or near a tree with a red sun. i think i might have found one of the other ones as "齢" although it is slightly different from "齡" , it is apparently a simplified version of some even older characters. this is a hell of a language lesson. i appreciate the help and if i decode the whole thing i'll come and post it if the thread stays alive.

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>>18374368
Anon, that's common knowledge. There have been an infinite amount of studies. I wouldnt even know where to start in citing it for you. Just google "children learning languages" or whatever. Its actually pretty interesting psychology.
(not the guy you were replying to, by the way)

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>>18388870
actually googling it only brings up articles talking about how it's a myth, and the only thing in support of it I find is shitty statistics that ignore the kind of environment the children and adults expose (or don't, in the case of immigrant adults) themselves to the language in.

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>>18350291
Do RTK
2200 kanji
22 a day
Takes 100 days

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>>18393465
>RTK
Is this a good advice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18393465
>RTK
Is this a good advice?

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>>18383303
松 pine
鹤(鶴の簡体字) crane
遐 far, long
龄(齢の簡体字) age

「松や鶴は長く生きる」っていう意味
イディオムっぽいから、単語を分解して考えても答えは出ないよ
あとその扇子はおそらく中国産だと思う

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese also think how to gaijins memorize many English words.

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>>18401426
Do they really though?

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>>18374368
The difference is that children are forced to learn the language. No one has any choice then. However as an adult you are exposed to procrastination and you aren't usually fully immersed.

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Everyone in this thread denying the feasibility of an adult learning Japanese in a reasonably short amount of time are all DJT burnouts who took the dekinai meme to heart. If you're just starting, don't listen to these idiots. You can only do it if you actually try and believe you can do it.

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>>18408829
I miss when we had Anki threads and not that that DJT shit for f/a/ggots.

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Nobody is too dumb to learn a second language. You obviously speak English at some level today, and English is by far one of the hardest languages to be proficient in.
If you wanna learn Japanese, just try. Try for like 30m a day for 5 days a week. You'll be surprised at how quickly you'll know all 46 hiragana and can start reading some basic words. Do it again with katakana.
Japanese looks daunting because it's not a Latin language. That's all though. When you dig into it and get comfortable enough to start grammar lessons you'll find it's pretty reasonable.

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>>18409129
The tools DJT has compared to what learners had even five years ago is the difference between light and day. No, the occasional anon reports about studying Genki for six months and learning 1 kanji a day thread does not make for a good thread.
Stupid EOP.

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>>18350291
It's not that hard if you commit to learning 10 a week

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>>18356839
>tounge
It's spelled "tongue"

>langauges

"languages"

Otherwise you're completely on point.

>>there, their, they're

What's especially ridiculous about that is that there are grown-as adults who are native English speakers and they have jobs and pay taxes and vote and drive and went to school, but they still don't know the difference.

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>>18409625
>English is by far one of the hardest languages to be proficient in

eh?

It's extremely easy, especially compared to something like French or German.

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>>18350291
>memorize
Learn them as you go.

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>>18354227
IQ is inaccurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

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RTK and 3 months is all you need, and you'll essentially be fluent with kanji for the rest of your Japanese career. You'll be able to write things like 薔薇 without too much difficulty, which even a lot of the lazier natives cannot write. After RTK you learn the readings of kanji in context through reading.

>>18361406
Incorrect. It's the readings that change based on context, not the morphemes. Kanji do have meanings, and even if every single compound word doesn't reflect the individual meanings most compound words will. What Heisig teaches you is how to write a character from memory and it additionally gives you morphological awareness. This alone makes memorizing vocabulary significantly easier.

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>>18409625
>English is by far one of the hardest languages to be proficient in.

Wow, way to reveal you're retarded.

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>>18408674
What does that have to do with them being better at learning languages naturally? Do You read posts before replying to them or do you just whatever?

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>>18411554
When should i start RTK? After Genki 1, Genki 2?

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>>18412893
Just whatever

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>>18411108
>there, their, they're
>What's especially ridiculous about that is that there are grown-as adults who are native English speakers and they have jobs and pay taxes and vote and drive and went to school, but they still don't know the difference.

I don't believe you

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>>18414009
their right, you know.

There are also a lot more illiterate people than you'd be comfortable with, not to bring up politics, but 'no child left behind' seems to have contributed a lot to this.

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>>18412893
>What does that have to do with them being better at learning languages naturally?
Lmfao

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What do people have against RTK except vague accusations of inefficiency
I'm convinced they're just making excuses for not wanting to take the time to learn to read
>>18409646
>difference between light and day
Can anyone else even tell what this post is trying to say?
>>18413562
When you feel/think you're ready
One of the big problems I have with the Japanese learning community is the obsession with dates and schedules.
Yeah of course it's helpful to have a regimen and set out goals to work towards, but saying stuff like "If you don't follow this system exactly you will never be fluent/are wasting your time doing other methods" is very misleading
You could do RTK before, or between the genki series and there wouldn't be a big difference

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>>18415472
you dont learn how to read by doing RTK

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>>18383303
孔夫子旧书网kek

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>>18350291
It's not possible. Even for japs. They are also really dumb.

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>>18413562
Start it right away. You don’t need to know anything about Japanese to do it, and the sooner you start the sooner you’ll finish. There’s 2200 kanji to learn so it’ll take time no matter how much you do every day.

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>>18350349
>Suffering with anki for a year or two can do it
You mean 4 months?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18430813
You mean a week?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18430843
>learning 428 kanji per day
Please teach me 先生.

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>>18415472
>What do people have against RTK
They're the kind that think they have to memorize every variant reading and meaning of a kanji instead of being able to recognize the kanji.

>>18415505
You don't learn how to read by memorizing individual kanji at all.

[Anonymous No.]

I HATE japanese!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18350440
I live in Japan and whenever I'm at touristy places and see Japanese alongside simplified Chinese I get queasy; simplified Chinese looks like utter shit.

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>>18350349
djt sux
Actually they do suck, if you were to go there for advice or just to ask any question, they'll just talk down to you because everyone there is sitting at jlpt n3 or whatever comparing their rep peens
>>18415505
You don't have to, I didn't, but it's a good system
How did you learn to read?

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RTK + koohii + vocab is the god tier way to do it. Allow me to explain but before I fucking do, make sure you have a good grasp on hiragana, katakana and the basic grammar rules of the language. Alright, time to fuckin explain:

RTK by heiseg teaches you how to remember the kanji by doing little short stories or "mnemonics" and associate the kanji for it.

With the addition of learning the radials or primatives, which are essentially the building blocks of kanji. This will help you further break them down for you and make it piss easy to remember them, and combining this with mnemonics is an effective method for remembering them. It's important to reinforce this with the anki kanji deck + radical deck. however you won't actually learn how to "read" the kanji.

That's where koohii comes in. It's basically heisegs method but it teaches you the reading and meaning of the kanji and also provides further reinforcement as well as learning vocabulary that contain the kanji and reading. This will help you make educated guess on how the word is read if the same kanji appears in words you might see often which brings me to my important point.

Fucking read and look up vocabulary that are new to you and what they mean. As you see words that include the kanji that you come across more often when you read; the easier it will be to guess the reading of new words that include the kanji that you recognise. This will also make guessing what the word means based on the meaning of the kanji within the word easier as well.
Make sure to learn how the words are used in context within the sentences that might contain a specific situation for it. You should engage in the material you find interesting only in Japanese to keep you engaged.

Lastly or an optional choice depending if you're a social autist is to speak it.

You might come across where you translate words in English and then to Japanese which is a common problem. This is where a monolingual dictionary comes in which is pretty self explanatory, you should also describe daily situations in Japanese in your mind just to train and condition yourself into thinking in japanese.

Finally be consistent because that shit is super important. One final note is that the /jp/ DJT is full to the brim with retards; the /int/ DJT actually converses in Japanese which is far more useful and you'll get more help often.

Good luck and you can learn Japanese and kanji! I believe you can do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18442466
Like everyone else. Open a book and when there's something you don't know look it up in a dictionary.

>>18443369
Retard.

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>>18368735
This honestly

[Anonymous No.]

>>18443369
>learning 2000 dumb retarded little stories that barely make any sense in relation to the kanji on top of learning the actual kanji
No thanks how about you go fuck yourself instead.

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>>18443369
>the /int/ DJT actually converses in Japanese which is far more useful
Conversing with fellow novice foreign speakers has got to be the sole worst way of learning a language.

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>>18350303
not that we have a good sample size anymore

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>>18409625
>English is by far one of the hardest languages to be proficient in.
>Japanese looks daunting because it's not a Latin language.

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>>18414009
>>18414072
>their right, you know
Case in point

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>>18414072
It's a bait r right..?

[Anonymous No.]

When people talk about Kanji radicals, are they referring to Kangxi?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangxi_radical

Or, are they referring to some other character set? Thoughts on learning the Kangxi? Worth it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450760
What is being referred to is the 部首(Bushu), the individual divisible parts that make up full kanji characters.
Eg. 部 is 立、口、阝/邑 etc

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>>18451061
Wait, are 'bushu' and 'kangxi' not the same thing? There's 214 kangxi in total. Are these concepts at all truly different? I question if there's value in completing radicals before pursuing large amounts of vocabulary.

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for all my work I should have passed this really basic grammar test.
I'm going to try the next level up test now too.

It is going to be horrifying.

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I believe in you, /jp/!

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>>18350458
>>18357321
>>18377968
>>18449354
>>18454325
What is the original source, picture, or book with this girl? It's just called 'dekinai', but no other info.

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>>18451278
Basically the same thing but kangxi is for Chinese

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>>18455186
I believe the source is LinguaLift.

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>>18450760
They're talking about fundamentalist Japanese linguist groups who believe all kana should be replaced with kanji and drive trucks into crowds of little girls to force people to accept their demands through terror tactics.

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>>18465862
So it was a waste of time drilling these? http://www.kanji-link.com/docs/en_kanji_48radicals.pdf

[Anonymous No.]

>>18465896
It wasn't. These are the names of the high ranking members within the terrorist group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18442035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeLxUVACQF0

[Anonymous No.]

The worst part is that same kanji can have absolutely different pronounciation depending whether it is used as a part of compound word or solo and the ''rules'' have 48594859 exceptions.

Whoever thinks that English is harder is retarded (except for grammar and its one billion tenses), because you can just accept the fact that you don't have to spell everything.

[Anonymous No.]

KKLC or RTK?

Some anon recommended I do KKLC but I didn't know about RTK until now. Is one better than the other? or is just a different approach and I should try both to see if one works better with me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18350291
kanjidamage + anki

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>>18468309
Yeah that sounds pretty accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18468309
>kanjidamage
I just looked this up and holy shit wtf am I reading?

[Anonymous No.]

over 12 years, and a lot dont

[Anonymous No.]

>>18468652
someone's attempt at being funny and absolutely failing at it, kanjidamage is an abortion.

[Anonymous No.]

>Japanese writing system is retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>18350734
>Woah is you
Am I being baited

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>>18367412
>I mean after all, that is totally why China, while being quite a developed nation, isn't having literacy issues on a scale much larger than some much less developed ones. They're so fine in fact they don't even need any large scale writing reforms. It's all just familiarity bias. Clearly.
None of that happened in Taiwan, Hong Kong nor Macau and they are still using Traditional Characters though, and quite a few languages have had also large scale writing reforms like Turkish, Uzbek, Turkmen and Hausa.

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>>18367676
>It may even make it easier, considering how many fucking homonyms Japanese has.
This is another misconcepton among Westerners, Japanese doesn't have more homophones nor homonyms compared to languages such as English

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>>18350291
I wonder if its possible to learn the romanji to speak/understand it without actually learning how to read/write the kana and kanji.
I'm more interested in being able to communicate in person.

The actual phonetically sounds of Japanese aren't crazy difficult, English has 4x as many.

Any thoughts on this anons?

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>>18474755
languages and writing systems are different things.
I mean, you can totally go ahead and do that but there's no media in romaji Japanese, so it would be rather difficult for you to find for example teaching materials only in English-Romaji and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474778
Yeah that's a good point. I've never seen a program like that either

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>>18466501
>>18351519
>>18353585
>>18357392
>>18361428
>>18377968
>>18430668
>>18447920
>>18443549
>t. doesn't speak Japanese guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>18350291
Constant practice and memorization. Go to youtube, there was one video in which Japanese guy asked other Japanese if they know this and this symbol and lot of them don't know what they mean. I.e. they all have limited knowledge, nobody knows them all.

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>>18475444
https://youtu.be/IARguDQIGVs

You talking about Yuta's videos?

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>>18475444
I hate dumb normalfags like you.
You are content to buy into bullshit you read online or clickbait cherrypicked videos just to make yourself feel more secure about your own mediocrity
Get the fuck out of the genepool, cunt.

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destroyed

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>>18476089
I think he was trying to say you should practice a lot and all but not have unrealistic expectations about how much and how fast you will master the language because even natives aren't 100% perfect on it all the time, not that you should think of that as justification for not learning/learning badly.

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>>18476089
>/jp/
>participating in the gene pool

good post otherwise. Screencapped.

[Anonymous No.]

How do most Japanese people type?
Do they actually use the JIS keyboard layout?
Or just a regular US keyboard with Google/Microsoft etc IME?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18485468
Japanese keyboard layout is basically QWERTY with some adaptations (and a very tiny spacebar), including the ability to type kana directly. I don't think everyone actually does this, though, given that うp is a thing, which would only happen with romaji input.
Of course, they have to use the IME either way, because there's no other way of inputting kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't save the pic of the full keyboard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18474672
Just because an education system teaches something well doesn't make that thing any less retarded. Retard.

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>>18488023
Nobody uses keyboards like that. Don't be retarded.