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Talk about Higurashi, Umineko, and how this character will be the fanfavorite of WTC5 here.

>> No.18184749

Reminder that Ryukishi got caught into the Zelda BotW vortex, and most likely will stay like that for at least a month or 2.

I guess no WTC5 next comiket lol

>> No.18186505

I just purchased umineko at a convention a couple days ago
Never consumed any 07th Expansion media before
What am I in for?

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>> No.18190451

You are in for some crazy theorizing hell for the rest of your life, have fun.

Fuck, I reread it so many times and still find new stuff I missed and even some other to still discuss about.

How do I just 100% Umineko... And yeah, EP9 coming soon too, it never ends. We are here forever.

>> No.18190480

>inb4 it's Chiru

>> No.18190500

Umineko: Will said one can identify the culprit just with information from episodes 1-4. Is that even possible?
Pls no further spoiler

>> No.18190517

yes, now get out of this thread before you regret it for the rest of your life

>> No.18190519

>EP9 coming soon too

>question arcs
what a fucking ride
>answer arcs
what the fuck was he thinking

>> No.18190550

Really? Never came in my mind that Shannon and Kanon was the same guy, not to talk about the broken peepee and tranny illness and, to finish the mess, the Battler thing

>> No.18190612

Me neither, but I'm 100% sure you can at least guess the Shkanon thing and the culprits to all episodes if you read and re-read 1-4 with the right mindset. The "whydunit" and truth about Yasu's body must be pretty much impossible without episode 5 though, but identifying the culprit is entirely possible

>> No.18190658

07th Expansion music is really great.

>> No.18190778

they just spent the money on musics

>> No.18190834

Plenty of people guessed that Shannon=Kanon just from EP2, and the Battler thing from EP3 + 4

>> No.18191144

Is Higurashi as good as Umineko?

>> No.18191152

It's pretty amazing, but not as good imo.

It does make scary moments even better though.

Higurashi has some killing suspense, while Umineko has crazy twists instead (except for EP1). They work in very different ways after Umineko EP1.

>> No.18191683

No, it's better.

>> No.18192044

Higurashi is a good piece of entertainment that you can simply read and enjoy without thinking too much

Umineko may leave you angry and confused if you don't actively reflect on what you're reading and think about what the author is trying to tell you, or have another person to ball your thoughts with while reading. It is not as 'easy' to consume as higurashi, which is one of the reasons many people don't like it as much. Note that I don't mean that higurashi is any worse for it, they are both good, just different types of fiction.

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So wait, what's the deal with Episode 9?

>> No.18192369

>It is not as 'easy' to consume as higurashi, which is one of the reasons many people don't like it as much.
Do not reply to my posts ever again, pretentious fegit.

>> No.18192672

Is this translated anywhere?

>> No.18193500

It's not as crazy or hype as Umineko, but I think it's a solid two points better as an emotional rollercoaster. You really fall in love with the world and the characters. It really pisses you off when something terrible happens to one of the characters.

>> No.18193510

Ryukishit love letter to his dead bf BT.
Spoiler BT = Beato

>> No.18193522

Yes, but in a different way. I really can't choose one or the other. Umineko gets even better when you understand all the subtle Higurashi references, like when Lambda appears at EVA's coronation.

Both anime adaptations are shit, but the Higurashi one can be enjoyed for what it is after finishing the 9 VN episodes. It's nice to hear the voices and the soundtrack is pretty good.

>> No.18193814

I wonder what EP9 will be about. Will there be a "game" at all?

I bet Rosa will accidentally kill Maria during one of her beatings and murder a bunch of people to cover it up.

>> No.18193893

>tfw you accidently kill your daughter by slapping her

>> No.18193990

Answer arcs > Question arcs

>> No.18194011

>EP9 coming soon
Is this a joke

>> No.18194028

But BoTW isn't even that good...

>> No.18194049

Sort of. New Umineko content has been announced. No confirmation of what exactly it is or when it's set for release has been given.

>> No.18194059

Neither is Ryukishi, but here you are posting about him playing video games.

>> No.18194118

Does Rosa even beat Maria? As far as I remember, she only slaps her and breaks her toys.

I can't imagine Rosa punching Maria in the face or kicking her right in the pussy for misbehaving.

I can totally see Rosa forcing Maria to wear long sleeves to cover up the bruises, though.

>> No.18194120

Why isn't Bernkastel a regular enemy in arcade mode in Golden Fantasia? Even Lambdadelta regularly appears but Bernkastel has appeared only once or twice in the stories I've played.

>> No.18194754

Episode 9 will be about Gohda and Kyrie killing everyone on the island through wacky slapstickesque accidents

>> No.18194807

>you will never kick Maria's pathetic bald pussy
Why live?

>> No.18195156

She pulls her hair in the anime.

>> No.18195379

>or when it's set for release
He said it will be released this summer

>> No.18195410
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So why do people deny Rosatrice?

It makes more sense than the tranny with chopped dicks with dual personas/personality and fit Umineko perfectly.

Behind the fake truth, "real" truth there is the heart of the tale, Rosatrice.

>> No.18195417

It was a popular theory when Umineko was released, it was so obvious to the point it was pretty much a joke for a while.

>> No.18195504

What is even the moral or the message in the Rosatrice theory? Why would Ryukishi write that story?

>> No.18195510

Because he wants to see people reach the truth for themselves.

>> No.18195516

The moral is "I don't like Shkannontrice. Rosa is my favorite character so make her the culprit instead. Answer arcs were all a ruse."

>> No.18195532

There is no truth, it's a fictional story. The Rosatrice theory would have a point if the events of the story were real and we were trying to expose the real culprit. But it's fucking fiction, so the theory has no value, isn't trying to tell us anything and doesn't even make sense.

>> No.18195591

What if someone comes up with a theory full of holes that "explains" how Teppei was the real culprit in Higurashi all along and everything that points to Takano is a red herring? Teppei planned everything because he's a psychopath and is secretly the leader of the local yakuza. Anyone who claims otherwise has been fooled by the Takano red herring and is missing out on the REAL story that Ryukishi wanted to tell. Who cares about Rika and her 100 year old struggle against Takano's certain fate? None of that happened, the story is actually about this psychopath that kills people for fun. That's a much more meaningful story filled with emotion and beautiful messages. Don't let the real culprit escape, guys!

That's what the Rosatrice theory is like.

>> No.18195599

Thank you!

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Why do people cling to Rosatrice so hard? She and Battler barely have a connection other than some ara ara shit.

>> No.18195732

They just REALLY don't like the whole Shannon = Kanon thing.

>> No.18195740

Really wish you people would stop fucking talking about it. You just attract people to derail discussion.

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Yeah, I don't get it either, it's so obvious Black Battler is the real culprit after all

>> No.18195773

That and they don't like that Yasu was originally a dude.

At least Black Battler makes a certain amount of sense.

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Which manga Episode had the best art?

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5 Easily

>> No.18195937

The weirdest thing is that if you replayed ep 2 it's amazing how fucking obvious everything it, to shkanon to the characters overacting to stuff and clearly acting.

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>> No.18196376

Its fine there's no dick there.

>> No.18196391

I don't see what the issue is, since she's still a girl in the meta world.

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Goddamn it Natsuhi

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>> No.18196425

George, george, haven't you watched Downton Abby? You fuck the servant, THEN marry her.

If only George had a libidio, this whole tragedy could have been prevented

>> No.18196428

It's clearly bait. Stop humoring him.

>> No.18196505

Who even sees Beatrice as their waifu? I legit cannot find Beato, Bern or Doranoru sexually attractive. I respect them too much as characters. I can imagine Jessica getting her hairy pussy destroyed, but the idea of Beatrice fucking is simply too unreal for me.

>> No.18196571

Jessica is my waifu, too bad she's a gay.

>> No.18196590

I wonder if Lion and Jessica are fucking behind their parents' backs. It would be a shame if that wasn't the case. It's the only world where he keeps his dick.

>> No.18196601

Lion makes them watch. Krauss tells himself: "This is all for the Moon Resort, this is all for the Moon Resort."

>> No.18196611

Anyone else like how Erika and Will represent two types of readers? Erika wants to cut through the story to figure out the twist, while Will goes and finds the holistic picture.

I want to be Will, but many times I am Erika, using complete bullshit to fit in line with my perfect theory.

>> No.18196757

Battler = overly emotional reader
Erika = overly analytical reader
Will = ideal balance reader

>> No.18196762

What do you call a reader who figures out the mystery, but takes a circuitous and fallacy filled path to get there?

>> No.18196778

Dumb luck.

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I think the one scene from Umineko I'll never forget or stop thinking about is the whole
>Ushiromiya Kyrie cannot save you.
God that was so fucked up.

>> No.18196831

take my opinion with a grain of salt considering i only watched the anime and that was years ago
i do plan on reading the vns eventually

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But what if they were only pretending to be retarded?

>> No.18196965

It's my favorite scene in Umineko.
Imagining Erika going around beheading everyone...I had never felt so much hate against a fictional character before. God I love her.

>> No.18196978

How did Sayo know there would be at typhoon

like did she hear the weather report that there would be a typhoon in a week and then started planning and somehow got everything together, blew up the shrine, all in time?

Or was the typhoon just a coincidence? If so how could she insure everyone could stay on the island?

>> No.18197036

>If so how could she insure everyone could stay on the island?
she could have just called the captain of the boat and ask him not to come until the end of the week, then cut off the telephone lines

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As Umineko Prime shows, Sayo's plan went off the rails pretty quickly.

It was supposed to be Battler's Big Murder Investigation and Love Confession

It turned into a gritty Western shoot-out starring a Milf Anti-Hero and a Milf Monster

>> No.18197150

To be honest, Kyrie was the anti hero we need it after how drowing EP7 was.

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And she would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for Winchester Batman

>> No.18197279

I like Maria

>> No.18197521

>Jokrono solved the epitaph

Really activates my almonds

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Higurashi, Umineko and Golden Fantasia were all in MangaGamer's top 10 best selling Steam titles last year. Hopefully this increases the chance of them releasing WTC 5 and other 07th Expansion titles

>> No.18197738

Wasn't it said typhoons were common there during fall? She just spun that roulette and hoped there would be a typhoon i guess (and if there wasn't, that would also be a result of her roulette that she would accept)

>> No.18198125

That's a really fancy way of saying "retarded plan that can't work out."

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It's amazing that people seriously believe that him and Newt aren't spoiled as fuck/handheld the entire way to the truth via retarded comments along the lines of HUH I WONDER WHAT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT SCENE WAS HMMM MAYBE IT MEANS SOMETHING
Only one I believe to have come up with theories on his own is Narnith and that is because his theories felt natural, they were all over the place and he went into autistic detail to explain them

>> No.18198518

>Who even sees Beatrice as their waifu?
>I respect them too much as characters.
What the fuck am I reading here?
Waifu doesn't mean 'girl I want to fuck', you stupid shithead.

>> No.18198539

This. It means favorite character, get it right idiots.

>> No.18198549

>It means favorite character
Not really but it's closer.

>> No.18198567

Me. Why do I need to imagine having sex with a character to consider her my waifu?

>> No.18198616

Everyone knows Japanese couples don't have sex anyway.

>> No.18198672

Narnith also had lot of his theories be completely wrong and he also completely gave up on the Epitaph due to the idea of it being Kanji bullshit, which is pretty much what I did when I played Umineko. He also even at the very end of EP6 didn't even considered Kanon a part of the culprits, let alone Shkannon.

>> No.18198676

I mean until the very end of EP6 he didn't suspect until the final red came out.

>> No.18198706

The epitaph is such bullshit though. LORD U?

>> No.18198713

If you already got to the point where you knocked down letters, you can easily determine the code is LORD U since 'Praise my noble name' and Kinzo wrote the epitaph.

>> No.18199381

The anime is fucking garbage. You don't know what you're talking about.

>> No.18199402

Higurashi is great, but Umineko is even better.

>> No.18199432

The epitaph is kanji bullshit tho isn't it.

Or it's some kind of bullshit anyways

>> No.18199438

Kanji, 'old' geography, history and english bullshit all wrapped up into one.

>> No.18199881

Can't agree with you more. Sayo theory is not only dissapointing, it is like overriding common sense and what laws logic and world lays upon. I may be even not suitable for arguing against Yasu, since i just can't understand and twist my mind to fit it. While I heard Rosa's story, I was very relieved, because now it really follows human logic, dead are dead, red is red. Moreover there is bunch of hints about Rosa's character throughout the 8 novels, and even 7th novel helps a bunch. And there are even a lot of symbolical hints, which are presented elegantly, and don't need crude assumptions and very twisted mind tricks to work with story. But in the other hands, twisted tricks works in Witches realm, which is far from real world logic. There Sayo logic may actually work. Isn't it beautiful? There are 3 layers of story, just as said in confession novel. And now it fits so well. Isn't that the genius of writing?

>> No.18200320

kai does a better job of capturing the visual novel's feel. the adaptation of the first 6 arcs is definitely garbage, but i still enjoyed it. it's such a great story that even with a shitty adaptation it's still watchable. but to watch the anime first is to do a huge disservice to yourself.

>> No.18200328

Well they shoved 6 arcs into such a small amount of time, it was bound to be bad.

>> No.18200726

My worst fear in life is that I'll die before WTC5&6 are released.

>> No.18200744

What about dying after they're released, but before they're translated?

>> No.18200751

I guess I'll learn Japanese right now just so I can avoid that fate.

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i just finished episode three and what the fuck.

eva beatrice was just a setup by beato in order to have a contrasting evil witch so she could masquerade as good for battler? and virgilia was in on this ploy too?
can all of these happenings really be explained with a human culprit? i'm sure they could if the story presented at face value is disregarded, but why would i want to do that...

and why does lambdadelta look like takano
my heart and brain can`t take this

>> No.18200819

The important thing to take away from all of this is this:

Get out of this thread before you get spoiled. Please.

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Leave this thread and don't search anything about seakats until you are finished.

>> No.18201012

Don't disregard the magic scenes as if they never happened. You have to interpret what they actually mean.

>> No.18201043

>only half of Higurashi sold better than entire Umineko
so this...is the power of murderlolis...
yes I know Chiru and Fantasia were released late

>> No.18201053

Higurashi does have the relatively good anime going for it, which I'm sure brings in a lot of new VN readers.

>> No.18201055

a good part of Higurashi was in that 1 dollar humble bundle too, I guess that counts a lot

>> No.18201096

Well, it is objectively better.

>> No.18201119

my point is that what's released is pretty much the first season of the anime (even if it's 5/8 arcs, the last two are substantially bigger, so I guess it's half of the novel as well), while seacats is already fully released - you'd think 8 arcs would sell better than 5

yeah, I guess those are points as well - I wonder how much did the separate arcs sell, and what is the difference between, say, Onikakushi (which I can safely bet is at the top) and Himatsubushi

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>> No.18201130

I want to kick Maria's undeveloped, unattractive, flat boy-butt.

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But Maria isn't happy

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I hate the PS3 box, it makes several scenes lose impact.

>> No.18201146

I think both have their own merits. There are times where I don't want the text covering the character's faces.

>> No.18201151
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Erika with her hair down!

>> No.18201172

Into my porn folder it goes.

>> No.18201175

Read Higurashi first you mongoloid. Why would you start a series on the sequel?

>> No.18201186

5 has a lot of shit art but it also has some of the best art.

>> No.18201204

Top 1-4 were sold in humblebundle. Disregarding those Umineko is top-1

>> No.18201227

>I wonder how much did the separate arcs sell

>> No.18201300

Girls don't feel a thing when they get kicked in the crotch.

>> No.18201371

In what way is Umineko a real sequel to Higurashi?

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>> No.18201636

It's not a real sequel in the sense that it can be enjoyed without knowing about Higurashi. But you miss out on all the Higurashi references, which makes certain scenes lose most of the impact.

Also, Bernkastel's character spoils that something's up with Rika. She was meant to be the least suspicious character in Higurashi during the first three arcs.

Reading Umineko first makes Higurashi harder to get into because it never gets as fucking crazy and awesome. And you end up thinking about Knox rules or trying to interpret all the delusions as metaphors that didn't literally happen from the character's point of view, which is the wrong approach and makes it impossible for you to figure out that a brain disorder is involved and there isn't an unreliable narrator at all

Both stories are amazing, so there is no reason to read Umineko first. What's the point? It only spoils part of Higurashi and makes all the references in Umineko go over your head. Lambda and Bern are much better characters when you know their backstory and enjoy every second they are on screen. They are meant to be the most awesome kind of fanservice.

>> No.18201706

You actually make some really great points, especially when it comes to Bernkastel's character. But aside from Bern and Lambda, none of those things necessarily matter in the sense of Umineko being a sequel to Higurashi.

You could easily make the point that reading Higurashi first makes you expect that the mystery will be straight up revealed to you in Umineko, which might make you read it in a lazy way. Or that you might expect to care about the characters and their misfortune on the same level as you do in Higurashi.

I guess you are right in that Umineko is a real sequel to Higurashi, even if it's mostly caused by the fact that Bern spoils something about Rika.

>> No.18201731

i read umineko first. i got that bernkastel and erika were supposed to be references to rika from higurashi but they didn't seem to be even remotely the same character, especially once i started reading higurashi and saw literally nothing in common between them other than blue hair. only in retrospect does everything make sense, so i think ryukishi did a good job of only hinting to things in a way that would make sense after the fact.

initially in higurashi i expected the cause of time looping to be meta shenanigans, especially when they had those after parties discussing the events of each of the first four arcs, but i never discounted the possibility that there was more going on, because it was pretty clear early on that it was a very different story than umineko.

i'll probably reread umineko some day because it seems like the kind of thing that is worth rereading to see all the foreshadowing in a new light, and of course to catch all the higurashi references now that i've read that.

i also enjoyed higurashi more, for what it's worth. umineko got a bit too autistic for my tastes at times, while higurashi felt more grounded and emotionally satisfying, especially at the end. higurashi just seems to get better and better as you get closer to the end, umineko felt like the opposite.

>> No.18201734

I just finished reading Umineko and I absolutely love it!! I'd like to continue reading more WTC series, which one do you recommend reading next? Is Higurashi good? Which version is better? A friend recommended me Rose Guns Days, what are your thoughts on it, and where can I read it?

>> No.18201761

Higurashi and Umineko are the only two that are part of WTC, and are subsequently Ryukishi's 2 best series. I'd recommend the ps2 version for Higurashi.

>> No.18201815

Rose Guns Days is absolutely not similar at all to Umineko, but it's very fun
Other people will recommend you Higanbana by the same author as Umineko, Higurashi and RGD, but don't tell anyone I told you it fucking sucks

>> No.18201852

You are crazy. Higanbana is awesome, it's super comfy and makes you remember what it felt like to be an elementary schooler. The sprites alone make it worth reading. I can't get enough of Ryukishi's art.

The only problem is that you are not meant to read the whole thing at once. The dark atmosphere never really changes, so it can be a bit too heavy to digest.

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>makes you remember what it felt like to be an elementary schooler
Yes, I have many fond memories of getting raped in the school bathroom

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>It's not a real sequel in the sense that it can be enjoyed without knowing about Higurashi. But you miss out on all the Higurashi references, which makes certain scenes lose most of the impact.

I think the story itself is also built with the knowledge and expectations of Higurashi.

The way the story works, it makes you think it's similar to Higurashi, if Battler defeats the witch and finds the culprit, he's released and can go at home with his family in a "miracle" Kakera. Of course, we later find the truth and we know it is more complex than that.

Even Umineko's tea party is straight up a deconstruction of Higurashi's.

>> No.18201977

Yeah, it turns into this whole thing about truth and lies and half-truths.

I think the biggest point of contention is the culprit - if you sympathize with her you'll find the ending very moving, but personally I found myself more invested in characters like Eva, Ange, Bernkastel and Lambdadelta.

The meta stuff can get annoying, but I'd say it's probably one of the most meta works out there, so that's a point in its favor.

Personally, while I dislike excessive meta, I find Will's philosophy about the "heart" of a story to be something that can satisfy the reader no matter how they approach Umineko.

Umineko is one of a kind. I remember calling my friend and talking for hours about how I thought Jessica had to be involved in the mystery in some way since there's no way she wouldn't notice the culprit changing costumes, and also I was a giant retard and used a promotional tarot card as evidence.

So in a way I am kind of hesitant to recommend Umineko, because I think the fan discussion and participation is yet another layer to the story. We had RPers, a writefag that would take the piss out of the story, a drawfag that would draw comics of the pisstakes, folks would post across /a/, /v/, /jp/, and even /adv/ - honestly, it was just a blast.

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TFW a promise your dumb cousin makes to your maid friend who is actually a guy when he was ten causes the maid friend to arm a giant bomb and hand out Winchesters to your family of psychopaths and you get your head bashed in by a thug who didn't even end up escaping with the gold.

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Don't worry. Ryukishi will die before you.

>> No.18202077

Does he live a particularly unhealthly lifestyle?

>> No.18202091

It wasn't just the promise, don't people get it? It was a bunch of things in Yasu life that ultimate brought her at that point in her life.

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Ryukishi better die of old age, and natural causes. If he doesn't, I'll write a really mean critique of Umineko that deliberately misses the point. I'll also call him a hack.

>> No.18202116

I wonder what he would think of Rosatrice?

>> No.18202127

Probably sad that people missed the entire point of the story of struggle and love in exchange for something they want.

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I don't know, but he mentioned being picked up by an ambulance in Hane's postscript. He didn't say anything about the reason though. Overwork maybe

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I get the feeling he likes autistic theories, even if they're incredibly off base.

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Is Hane translated?

>> No.18202161

People love to trivialize everything to make the solution seem bad.

>> No.18202174

Yeah, and it's really short too. The whole thing is only about an hour long


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>and makes you remember what it felt like to be an elementary schooler
Your childhood must have been packed with fun then
Maybe I didn't like it because I never got bullied at all

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The only real problem I have with the solution is that Beatrice doesn't count as a person in the red text, but Shannon and Kanon do. Other than that, the Shkanontrice was foreshadowed plenty, so it wasn't an asspull.

I think Umineko is a great work. It's one of my favorites of all time. I just don't feel that much sympathy towards Yasu because I feel more for Jessica and Gohda.

I also feel like Umineko is not just about the solution. It's about the experience and also the nature of truth, and if you reaaaaaaallly want to read into it the writer's own regrets and issues.

Don't dogmatically dismiss people as haters when they don't like one element of a multi-faceted work. I mean, I'm not saying Umineko is dogshit because it's not an untranslated Kamige.

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I got bullied until I did a Rika and hit the guy with a chair.

>> No.18202243

I'm just sick of seeing people dismiss Yasu as a dickless tranny who wanted to kill everyone out of pent up sexual frustration.

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>The only real problem I have with the solution is that Beatrice doesn't count as a person in the red text, but Shannon and Kanon do. Other than that, the Shkanontrice was foreshadowed plenty, so it wasn't an asspull.

To be honest, I had less problems with the solution once I started to re-read it. I realized it wasn't much about the how (really, when you think about it, it's almost lame. Take Ep. 2, virtually everyone that wasn't the kids was on it to some level!) but rather trying to understand the why. In that sense, most of the mysteries exist to nudge you toward the fact that Shannon is Kanon and Kanon is Beatrice.

I do agree that R07's writing is definitely not perfect and the motive felt weak without our confession. I also liked that Yasu in the manga acknowledges that "It wasn't much as I didn't have options, as I didn't want to see them".

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>Take Ep. 2, virtually everyone that wasn't the kids was on it to some level!
Episode 4 was still the worst in that regard.

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To be fair, sexual hang-ups were indeed a large part of her motivation. The love she seeks isn't pure agape, there's tons of eros involved. She is physically attracted to Battler since she wanted him to solve the epitagh the most despite having only spent one day with him, she is distraught that she can't bear or create children, and she is envious of Jessica's good looks.

I understand Yasu. I even feel bad for Yasu. But I feel worse for Jessica and Gohda, who were innocent, and I find Eva more compelling as a "flawed" character.

I guess to ape off of Type Moon - I always felt more for Kohaku than for Sakura, despite them both being, like Yasu, tragic villains.

I like Yasu a bit more than Sakura, since Yasu is active, but I can't hold her up to Kohaku since so many of her problems could have been solved with a simple phone call.

And I know that's the point - that this person is so pathetic and broken down inside that she can't make a phone call or catch a boat - but pity alone is not enough to get me to like a character.

Kohaku is just as insane and self-defeating as Yasu - but her plan makes sense and works most of the time despite the odds being against her. One maid versus supernatural demons. She uses the family's divisions against each other, and drugs the anemic guy to achieve her goal. Kohaku is pitiable, but also her plan is admirable because of how big a challenge she is taking on.

Yasu on the other hand - her plan is to fall in love with Battler and create a miracle by using gold, bombs, and accomplices. She's not like Kohaku - Yasu very much has the upper hand. Her end goal doesn't even really make sense, since Battler solving the epitagh wouldn't suddenly make George and Jessica and the Kanon and Shannon shit stop.

Yasu is pathetic, and I'm not using that as an insult, I'm using it as the most accurate possible description. Yasu failed to achieve her goals, and her forgeries managed to damage the Rokkenjima family even further by smearing Eva - a flawed character who actually DID develop and redeem herself somewhat.

I kind of wish Yasu didn't have any gender issues going on to begin with, since I think some people take a dislike of Yasu for a dislike of Trans-people, which isn't the case.

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Well any nitpicks I have with the red text is solved by Will using the white text, basically saying "Understand the message and themes of the story."

Since even though Umineko has unreliable narrators, the conflict with the culprit is thematically shown in spades, even without the red text.

Hell, I apply Will's maxim to every work I make an autistic theory on - if you start with the themes of a story, you'll eventually figure out SOMETHING.

>> No.18202448

>one day with him
She spent more than 1 day with him.

>> No.18202462

Well, alright, an extended weekend when they were ten. Still seems like "love at first sight" to me.

>> No.18202521

Battler went to every conference before his break and Yasu has been serving for a decade.

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I forgot about that. Yeah, but ep. 4 feels less weird to me because Battler doesn't move around much. Ep. 2 has characters going all over the mansion, making up stuff. (Lol, ghost Kanon totally attacked us and killed Kumasawa and Nanjo!!!)

>Yasu on the other hand - her plan is to fall in love with Battler and create a miracle by using gold, bombs, and accomplices. She's not like Kohaku - Yasu very much has the upper hand. Her end goal doesn't even really make sense, since Battler solving the epitagh wouldn't suddenly make George and Jessica and the Kanon and Shannon shit stop.

Yasu doesn't know what to do, that's the point. She's just leaving things to fate and epitaph. She hopes Battler will solve the epitaph, come find her and so she could be at her side, but she wouldn't mind if Jessica did or even George did.

Yasu is a bunch of contradictions stuck together, she plans to kill everyone, but she wants to be stopped, she wants to be understood, but she's terrorized of someone finding the truth. She wants to live as a woman, but she desperately can't get rid of Kanon.

>and her forgeries managed to damage the Rokkenjima family even further by smearing Eva - a flawed character who actually DID develop and redeem herself somewhat.
That was actually Tohya doing. Not that it absolver her in the end.

Umineko isn't saying Yasu is without fault, she killed herself because of the guilt in the end. She's saying that "This was her life. Her circumstances brought her to this point. Can you understand her hearth?"

I do agree that Yasu/Battler love story is kinda weak however. Yeah, they do spend time as a child, but that's the point. They were ten, and it's not like Battler was on the island all the time.

>> No.18202538

Well, it is true that he did go to the conference, but I was under the impression that it was a specific weekend that had Battler make the promise to her.

You'll have to forgive me, it's been so long since I've read Umineko.

>> No.18202548

The promise was made at the end of the last conference he went to, but they did spend a lot of time together before the promise.

>> No.18202568

Still, chilling with a maid for three days a year as a child isn't exactly the most fleshed out relationship. It was puppy love that Yasu clung onto a little too hard.

>> No.18202598

Kanon and Shannon count as people because everyone on the island is either in on it or being fooled by the illusion of two people. Therefore, absolutely everyone acknowledges them as separate people. That's not the case with Beatrice. She's just a fairy tale character for most of them.

>> No.18202660

She wouldn't have ended up in that dead end if she quit her job a few years earlier. Everything happened because she stayed on the island for too long waiting for Battler. If the promise didn't exist, she would probably have found a real boyfriend and figured out that people can love her despite being a dickless tranny. Hell, her boyfriend would be the one telling her that something's wrong but who gives a shit, not fucking Nanjo. He is the person responsible for her mental block and insecurities.

The whole "I'd rather die than expose my true self" situation happened because of Batora.

>> No.18202674

>everyone is in on it or fooled
That's where the suspension of disbelief crumbles a bit. Like, you either have to have George and Jessica be REALLY dense, or establish why they would play along with the incest gang-bang.

That said, the solution is alluded to just fine in the text of the work itself, I just find the red text definition to be a stretch.

>> No.18202693

How do you even get revenge on the woman who destroyed your dick without hurting Jessica's feelings? She was innocent, but I can see why Yasu though she was better off dead than mourning her family.

>> No.18202703

That's the thing though. It only worked out like that in the gameboard. In reality Yasu's plan fell through right at the start.

>> No.18202706

This kind of goes without saying, but it's not up to Yasu to make that choice.

But to humor you - what about Gohda? He just liked to cook, man

>> No.18202714

Right, but not because Jessica and George realized Yasu was disguising herself. It crumbled because giving adults with money issues a bunch of guns is a REALLY BAD IDEA.

That's a part of Umineko I like, how the reality is just blunt and ugly and the fabrications are complex. But I do think Shkanon is a little silly

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>he is the person responsible for Yasu's self image
No he's not.

>> No.18202913

>She wouldn't have ended up in that dead end if she quit her job a few years earl

Would have she? Yasu is scared of the outside world. Outside she has nothing, no friends, no power, nothing. On the island, she has everything, the legend, the gold, the servants back-up. Everything feeds her ego.

Now, I'm not saying she gets off to this,she's miserable, but it does provide a security blanket for her. The promise was just an excuse, it's not a legal contract. She could have sent a letter, she could have gone to see Battler himself.

But she didn't because of her circumstances.

>> No.18202941

Shkanon was in place for like 2 years though. I do agree it's a bit silly, but it is what is. The furniture complex makes Shkanon a bit more interesting than the usual disguise stuff.

The plan fell part because the adults solved the epitaph, because they found out Shannon is Kanon.

>> No.18202950

>because they found out Shannon is Kanon.
Not because* err

>> No.18203107

The whole thing with Shkanon makes a bit more sense once you take into account Yasu's years of experience disguising themselves as a girl, her androgynous body due to the cliff accident, as well as the number of people helping her keep the whole charade up.

It's not as simple as just putting on a wig and everyone suddenly going full retard.

>> No.18203123

>tfw cried twice reading Minagoroshi

Holy shit I've already seen the anime and even then that was an emotional rollercoaster

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She didn't disguise as a girl, she was raised as one and fully belive she was one until puberty. As Shannon she just wears pads.

Honestly my only issue with Shkanon is the voice.

Like, is Shannon's voice Beato? Shannon? Ep. 7's Tea Party Yasu? What's her natural tone?

Kanon speaks little, but he still has to have a different vocie from Beato and Shannon.

>> No.18203200

that's not an issue if you read it without the voice patch

>> No.18203211

It still an issue from a story point of view. Heck, the manga mentions Beato and Shannon have different voices. I mean, R07 even felt like giving telling some of the VA the truth.

>> No.18203220

I always liked how he told Beato's VA but not Shannon's.

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>> No.18203262

maybe the reason Kanon doesn't speak much is that Yasu has trouble speaking with a lower-pitched voice than when he does Shannon and Beatrice. If you forget about seiyuus from PS3 and anime I don't really see the problem, training different voices isn't that hard especially if you consider that Kanon doesn't talk much and Beatrice doesn't need to have a completely different tone to work

>> No.18203582

Alright just finished "It's my own Invention" and I doubt I have ever read anything as ridiculous.
Love it.
So far thanks for recommending.
A bit too much sexual content in my opinion but I can overlook that I guess.

>> No.18203616

It's My Own Invention has two endings in case you don't know already. Make sure to do both

>> No.18203824

The manga says "a different manner of speaking", which can include more than a change of voice. There's mannerisms, vocabulary, personality, politeness, and probably different choices of words that only come up in Japanese because of cultural stuff.

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wrong thread? sounds like you're talking about wonderful everyday

>> No.18203853

You guys really liked the Yasu boy-girl thing?
I think ryukishi fucked up at this point. I wouldn't mind if yasu's shitty life till 86 caused the murder, but the whole 3 personalities thing wasn't my cup of tea

>> No.18203906

Someone in the previous 07th Expansion thread recommended Subahibi because it's kind of similar to Ryukishi's stuff. That's probaly what he's talking about

>> No.18204003

I'm having problems with Higurashi (steam version) episodes 2-3. When I start one of them, the laptop fan goes wild and the temperature rises a lot. I'm ok with this when I play, say, CS:GO or other heavy 3D game, but this shouldn't be happening with a VN (and this don't happen with umineko steam version and the ps3 patch version)

Have you guys experienced something like this?
I don't know what to do

>> No.18204049

the steam version of the game is running on unity. it is probably incredibly poorly optimized. it ran like shit for me too back when i was using a toaster laptop. just download the fanpatched version of the original and read that instead.

>> No.18204116

Thank you.

>> No.18204124

It doesn't seem like a multiple personality type of thing to me. Just as Yasu created imaginary friends to cope with her loneliness, she created Kanon as a persona to live a different life on the island because she didn't like the body she had and hoped to find happiness through that.
She's damaged physically, emotionally, and mentally. She wants to be accepted by someone else because she can't accept who and what she is, which is why she created Shannon and Kanon but even hiding behind a different identity wasn't enough to escape from the reality of her blood and body once she learned of it.

I didn't like it either at first, the idea of it was hard to swallow. As hard it it is to relate to that whole situation and suffering, isn't being accepted something we all want?

>> No.18204541

I wish there were more stories with Yasu being Yasu outside of the depressing confession chapter in the manga.

>> No.18205522

Don't be a pervert during the first day and you'll get a bunch of new scenes and a different ending after Kiyokawa's flashback. It's even crazier and it focuses on best girl.

>> No.18205533

>When I start one of them, the laptop fan goes wild and the temperature rises a lot.
It's still June, but it's so hot.

>> No.18205537

You can ignore the PS2 patch if you want, but don't forget to patch the music AND the sound effects. Otherwise, you are stuck with this really annoying cicada sound that Mangagame replaced the original with.

>> No.18206060

Yeah did that first, but I noticed that I couldnt advance to the next story afterwards so I did both paths now.

>> No.18206398
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Who was in the wrong here?

>> No.18206531

Neither of them, 2 different generations with separate upbringings. Kinzo made his bed with Krauss and he has to lie in it.

>> No.18206879

Fuck tomboys

>> No.18206921

Who would have actually made the best successor to the Ushiromiya family?

>> No.18206940

Will is the only option

>> No.18206964

Battler obviously

>> No.18206974

It doesn't matter, they all inevitably die in red no matter the kakera, Bern said so in EP7, they are doomed regardless of what happen.

>> No.18206998

Maria. She can use all the money to make her autistic delusions a reality. That's what Kinzo should have done, not leaving even a single yen to his kids.

>> No.18207057

What if Kinzo had just left everything to Genji and Nanjo?

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She didn't red text Lion's fragment. In fact, Lion's ending barely made any sense, Bern just applied ep. 7's tea party on it without too many thoughts.

>> No.18207802


Eva. If I recall correctly, it is stated that Eva managed to be successful using the fortune after the Rokkenjima incident, but the only problem was that everyone labeled her as the culprit.

So I think Eva would do the best job.

>> No.18207865

I remember that she also made a lot of enemies with her aggressive business practices, doing things like buying up large amounts of stock from fledgling companies then selling it back at high rates. Which was ironically what had been done to her husband's company in the past.

>> No.18208478

Eva is an hypocritical cunt, news at 11.

Just look at her faux-feminism.

>> No.18208662

Damn so that's where Kaiba learned that from.

>> No.18209311

WTC5 had a picture of Dubai, right?

>> No.18209361

a black and white drawing of the top of a building that happens to be in Dubai. Probably doesn't mean anything.

>> No.18210348

Or does it?

>> No.18210382
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What the hell is this? I just got to this and I'm honestly baffled. Is this just a huge translation mess up? (if so, should I switch to the steam version?) Is it intentionally wrong?
It's like some weird unholy fusion of both Hempel's raven and proof by contradiction by someone who doesn't really understand either. It's getting called a counter to the 'Devil's Proof' despite using induction itself and thus also being affected by the problem of induction (or 'Devil's proof"). Even worse, neither Hempel's raven or a proof by contradiction is actually used.
There were a few other questionable things so far, but nothing so grave. Is this just a one off thing?

>> No.18210580

I see you are using the old translation.
The Steam one is way more polished up and correct, besides having a minor typo or two here and there (and some cool memes getting vanquished).

iirc, for episode 1 alone, they retranslated 90% of the lines.

And their editing in the other Episodes was above 65-70% as well from what I've seen in that Umineko project site, so yeah.

You bet you shouldn't be reading the old version and should be getting the new instead.

>> No.18210752

A japanese man writing about arabs seems very unlikely.

>> No.18211137

But what about a Japanese man writing about a very successful Japanese businessman who happens to visit Dubai?

>> No.18211160

If he visit Dubai to meet with other successful Japanese businessmen then I guess it's possible. Can't go there to meet arabs though.

>> No.18211173

What about Chinese businessman?

>> No.18211189

okay if he's evil

>> No.18211208

Have any of you played Umineko Ougon Musou Kyoku/Golden Fantasia?

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>> No.18211539

Repeat your question, please.

>> No.18212880

It's a love it or hate it chapter, at least on a first read. The sheer length of the chapter, the incomprehensible Ayana scenes, the absolutely mental stuff that Takuji sees, the confusion about what is or what isn't a delusion, all the crazy revelations about the overall plot and the amount of ero scenes can make it drag on quite a bit. On the other hand, it has really cool moments, walking corpses, Kimika, futanari angel fights, a disgusting otaku loser turning into a superhuman savior, bullies getting rekt, knife fights, drugs, a three day long orgy, a human toilet, torture, flying cows and a yandere... Takuji is a crazy motherfucker.

>> No.18213067

You are no boss of me now. You are no boss of me now. You are no boss of me now and you're not so biiiiig.

>> No.18213198
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Life is unfair

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just finished the chapter 3 of umineko, felt cucked really hard when I saw Virgilia's trollface

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kimika is a miracle of the universe

>> No.18213562

Yeah I liked it.
Looking-Glass Insects however, could barely read that.
All that sexual content, made me feel sorry for her and angry at the same time
The roof scene is one of my favorites so far though.

>> No.18213821

Has anyone here read sakura no uta?
Just wondering how good it actually is

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Stop posting Subahibi spoilers, you queers.

Also read Fata Morgana for something similar to Umineko.

>> No.18213981

I thought Fata Morgana is all right so far but I don't know how far I am in. I am on the chapter 'The Maid' after watching my bro Michel get killed again in the mansion tower.

>> No.18214086

Saya's pig and Fat Morgan. Why are the titles so unappealing?

>> No.18214149

Now its downhill

>> No.18214256

It's Futa Mangina, at least get it right.

>> No.18214272

True, if you wished for any good endings, is in this chaoter that you should abandon hope. It's bittersweet at best, and downer at worst.

Inb4 EP9 is a deus ex machina alà Higurashi and give us a happy ending

>> No.18214332

Sorry just wanted to talk about it since someone here recommended it.
Didn't I spoiler everything that's an actual spoiler though?

>> No.18214425

What if Episode 9 retcons Shkannontrice and makes Rosatrice canon?

>> No.18214502

Do people understand Rosatrice isn't even a thing?

>> No.18214523

Considering Ryukishi laughed at Rosatrice and said he heard about it when asked about in that expo some years ago, I highly doubt it.

>> No.18214546


If Rosatrice was ever supposed to be a thing, Ryukishi would have never had 'Confession of the Golden Witch' written. It is clear that he wanted the single truth to be known.

>> No.18214869

I know it won't actually happen. I'm just curious how everyone would react if it did.

>> No.18214942


People would probably be pissed at Ryukishi for ruining Umineko because Rosatrice goes against everything Umineko stands for and the solution itself is nonsensical.

>> No.18215036

The namefag troll posting "Stay away from me, Bick Hazard" and then proceeding to reply to himself with a "lol" was one of the funniest parts of DtRHII.

>> No.18215048

Eva, for being a woman.

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Not quite Umineko but close enough to the serial killing experience both shares in rich regards. When this chick found a dead body just casually hanging there and this music started playing in the background, I knew I was in for a ride.

>> No.18215493

This sounds like a cheap -45 ripoff

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Same here, I was expecting to be bamboozled by Beato, but I didn't expect Virgilia to be in on it too. One of the high points of the series imo.

>> No.18215693

>mfw Looking-glass insects referenced Svankmajer's Alice
That's one of my favorite films of all time.

>> No.18215826

If Erika killed the other five victims retroactively AND sealed Battler's room at the time of the first twilight's discovery... WHO the actual fuck placed the letter at the entrance of the guest house? Everyone else was dead and the seals on Battler's room were intact.

Am I missing something here? Did she re-kill the fake victims right before breaking into Battler's room? Or did she kill them before everyone went to the guest house using a retroactive move?

The logic error was supposedly fixed because Shkanon went into Battler's room while Erika was in the bathroom, let Battler out, set the chain and hid in the closet. That's where the plot stops for all eternity. So who the fuck placed the letter that Erika found before going to the mansion? Was that part of the logic error ever fixed?

>> No.18215881

No letter existed, they just agreed together to fool Erika that it was there and knock on the door happened.

Yeah Battler is a hack writer

>> No.18215908

I believe she performed her perfect autopsies right before entering Battler's guest room. Since she didn't make the detective proclamation, she couldn't take control of the situation and roam freely, so that was the only time she could have killed them without the adults being around.

The only retroactive move was sealing Battler's room with the sticky duct tape. She did not kill anyone at that time. So obviously, one of the other five "corpses" that were not sealed placed the letter and went back to their room.

It's still a pretty shitty tale, though. Erika really messed it up and made Battler rush the shit out of it. I mean, why would Battler hide in the closet and pray that Erika goes to the bathroom first? If they planned to have him disappear like the letter said, why didn't he simply hide somewhere in the mansion before Erika got to his room? How did he know that there were seals outside of the door? How did he see the seals without breaking them? How did Shkanon know that Battler had to be saved because Erika set the chain after entering the room?

Battler is a terrible Game Master.

>> No.18215919

That's EP5. I'm talking about EP6 where Erika saw the letter with her own eyes and was the only person to see it.

>> No.18216076

Czech loli pantsu are the best.

>> No.18216543

I read the Umineko Project translation (yes, I know) and it was still fucked up, so I'm pretty sure the mistake comes from Ryukishi himself. It's weird, because the way he uses Hempel's raven later is not exactly wrong (there are 17 people in the island, one of them must be the culprit; so if you show that 16 of them are innocent then the remaining one must be the culprit, which can be framed as a proof by contrapositive), but it does miss the point of the paradox entirely (why call it Hempel's raven if you're not going to talk about the relation between logical equivalence and arguments using induction?). This shouldn't come as a surprise, since Ryukishi already spent a large amount of time prior to this talking about the retarded "interpretation" of Schrödinger's cat that nips like to use somehow; so it seems that he doesn't have an adequate grasp of the pop-science he introduces. I guess that it's not such a big deal, but it did trigger me a little.

>> No.18216599

It's really good. It was originally supposed to be released in 2004, but it was delayed for 11 years. At one point they even rewrote the entire script from scratch. I think that shows how much dedication the staff had for the project

It would definitely be SCA-Ji's magnum opus if Subahibi didn't exist. I really hope the sequel, Sakura no Toki, can live up to it

>> No.18218078

Shannon or Kanon?

>> No.18218171

RIP Rokkenjima.org

>> No.18218305

A shame, it was nice to follow their twitter and stay up to date on 07th Expansion stuff.

Now I'll have to just google translate R07's tweets.

>> No.18218323

I'm crying for an hour now...
That place was a blessing in this obscured fanbase

>> No.18218332

But Lion is a woman and she gets to be the family head.

>> No.18218596

It's go8ng to suck when WTC5 stuff starts coming out.

>> No.18218804

I just wanted to share my theory for the logic error in episode 6. I thought that 'without love it can't be seen' was foreshadowing that the solution was that Piece Erika falls in love Battler inside the room and just lets him out and sets the chain
I remember feeling so smug thinking that I solved it.

>> No.18219297

Looks like the Rokkenjima forum is shutting down in a month.

>> No.18219369

At least it looks like Magus is trying to keep the discord at the least alive.

>> No.18219391

I didn't even know there was a discord.

>> No.18219402

Only theories I could come up with were that Battler used a trained animal to set the lock or that he simply slammed the door shut endlessly until the lock miraculously landed in the slot(it could happen!)

>> No.18219426

Are Magus and Aspirety the same person?

>> No.18219434

No, Magus is the guy who is doing the LP with Jokrono.

>> No.18219464

what is the discord?

>> No.18219473


>> No.18219499

nice, will give this a shot.

>> No.18219551

They already denied the possibility of using animals back in Episode 3.

>> No.18219556

They have the same voice.

>> No.18219731
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I read Umineko a few years ago and I still have no fucking idea how Kanon escaped from the closet.

>> No.18219752

Yasu enters the closet as Kanon
Yasu 'kills' Kanon
'Kanon' isn't in the closet any longer

>> No.18219774

Shannon was in the closet. Erika didn't see anyone inside because she didn't check the closet in reality. That scene was a visual representation of her "Kanon is in the closet" theory being wrong.

>there are people who literally think that piece Erika pulled a gun out of nowhere and shot the person in the closet

>> No.18219787

Will this affect the podcasts?

>> No.18219812

That actually makes sense. I feel like a huge weight has been lifted from me.

>> No.18219986
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Kanon changed into a woman so he was no longer in the closet about his love for Battler.

>> No.18220034

Can someone remind me why meta-Erika got killed after she lost the battle in the guest room? Is it because Bernkastel got fed up and decided to stop playing?

I mean, Beatrice got her memory back and fixed the logic error. Shouldn't the game have continued until the end? Why did time stop for all eternity before Erika could check the closet and catch the prankster meido?

Battler is a fucking asshole. He had no idea how to kill the people sealed in the guest house, so he ended the game after his waifu revived and kicked Erika out of the game.

Maybe he didn't know how to advance the story after the victim of the prank figured everything out and murdered five people.

Also, what were Hideyoshi and the others expecting? Did they somehow know that Erika would lie and go to the mansion? Because it wouldn't be much of a prank if she just stayed holed up in one of the sealed rooms for the next two days.

Battler really didn't think things through. He got too invested in the meta arguments and made his pieces do nonsensical things just to get around the red or mess with meta-Erika. What a hack.

>> No.18220118

Lambda said in red "I swear that I'm impartial in my judgements". But isn't that complete bullshit? Yeah, it is true that she's swearing it. That doesn't mean she's not lying. I could say in red "I swear that I'm a cute loli" without any problems.

>> No.18220155

From the start, he was only writing the Episode to show that he understood Beato's game. Making a coherent scenario and even beating Erika was secondary.

>> No.18220164

It's funny because a lot of people (myself included) tried to solve some of the mysteries by having the characters do absurd stuff that only makes sense if they are aware of the meta discussion happening in a higher plane of existence.

Things like "someone outside the mansion opened a window and threw the letter in front of the door to the dining hall. Then, they threw a severed hand tied to a string to produce the knocking sound and used the string to recover the hand without entering the mansion".

>> No.18220246

What if Lambda is actually a boy? That'll explain why Lambda took such an interest in Yasu in the first place.

>> No.18220321

>That'll explain why Lambda took such an interest in Yasu in the first place.

>> No.18220326

Speaking of that, did anything "impossible" happen in Higurashi besides Hanyu's miracle at the very end?

I mean, Rika's actions are certainly influenced by her impossible memories of previous worlds. The predictions she made five years earlier, including her warning to Akasaka, are impossible to explain without bringing up paranormal stuff.

And I'm not talking about a plausible explanation for humans, like "someone planned the murders and Yukie's accident and Rika somehow found out about it". I'm talking about an explanation from the perspective of an omniscient god that knows the "facts" of reality and is aware of the physical actions of every human on Earth (but can't know what's in people's minds).

From that perspective, we know that Rika didn't discover any secret conspiracy and that the murders were mostly unrelated. And yet, this six year old girl is predicting a bunch of incidents that will happen in the future. And she knows words that she didn't learn at any point in her six years of life.

Would her words and actions be considered impossible or magical from the perspective of that "physically omniscient" god? Or just an extremely improbable series of coincidences? She has some kind of mental illness that makes her do weird things and come up with made up words and predictions that just happened to coincidentally match with real words that exist and events that would happen in the future? And she coincidentally used those words correctly in her sentences, making it seem like she really did know what they mean even though she physically never learned them? And every prediction just happened to match perfectly with the murders by chance?

Would any of that be considered supernatural? Or is it still technically possible within the laws of the universe? After all, ignoring some of the stuff in Matsuribayashi, Rika's body and mouth never did anything impossible.

>> No.18220339

Rika isn't the only one with memories of other timelines.

>> No.18220357

Boys should love other boys.

>> No.18220365

Aren't witches multi-dimensional beings which can be whatever the fuck they want?

>> No.18220382

I think they're implying Lambda took an interest in Yasu as a fellow crossdresser.

>> No.18220389
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Pretty much. They just choose to look like young girls.

>> No.18220413

Add Keiichi and the others then. Are they doing anything physically impossible or could the actions they take be considered possible even though they are influenced by impossible knowledge?

I'm not trying to explain Higurashi without fantasy or anything like that. I'm just wondering if having impossible memories can be considered "fantasy". If we only judge their actions and words without looking into their minds, has anything absolutely impossible ever happened in Higurashi (ignoring Matsuribayashi)? Can we say that Hanyu's influence didn't break the laws of the universe because the supernatural stuff was limited to people's minds, which is something immaterial? The memory of previous worlds appear to be magical knowledge that isn't even physically stored in the brain.

>> No.18220424

I'm not even sure where you are going with this.

She also took interest in Takano.

>> No.18220428

I think Anon just really likes dick

>> No.18220434

So Takano is also a crossdresser?

It would make sense cuz George is a copy of Tomitake and he is in love with crossdressers.

>> No.18220436
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So I do, but I don't see the point of making 34 a crossdresser.

>> No.18220494

What would Bern do if you suddenly started touching her tail?

>> No.18220503

The memories may be magical, but as soon as Rika starts thinking or theorizing about something that has to do with those memories, she is now effectively using her physical brain and creating information out of nowhere. Therefore, Hanyuu is indirectly altering Rika's physical brain. The memories are magical, but the thoughts about those memories and the memories about those thoughts are produced by Rika herself and being physically stored in the brain.

In other words, Hanyuu IS modifying reality at that point. She is altering physical matter. Just indirectly. Thoughts don't come out of nowhere. They are an endless succession of causes and effects. One thought creates the next, over and over, for your entire life. Everything you'll ever think and every action you'll ever take is decided at the moment of your birth. No, at the beginning of time itself. Same goes for every other person. Everything is already decided. So having memories and knowledge appear out of nowhere is certainly supernatural. And a second later, when those memories influence your next thought, that immaterial influence becomes physical. That's how Hanyuu indirectly alters reality and turns a mystery universe into a fantasy universe.

Higurashi is fantasy even from the perspective of that "physically omnipotent god" of yours. Physical changes happen to the connection between neurons as an indirect result of Hanyu's influence. How would your god explain that without magic? He can't.

>> No.18220752

Probably give you nightmares about the world ending and drive you insane.

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>> No.18221216

...So does she hate it or enjoy it?

>> No.18221258

Why is Will so attractive?

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>> No.18221319
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I have no idea. R07 has no business drawing such hot men.

>> No.18221401

Why did Erika intentionally leave the closet unchecked before searching the bathroom? If she had checked the closet, Battler would have no way to escape. Either he's in the bathroom and is seen by Erika or he's not in the bathroom and Battler is trapped into a truly inescapable logic error.

I guess she did that because she wanted to make sure that a logic error would occur. If she had checked the closet first, the GM would obviously have Battler exist in the bathroom. It would mean that Erika wins the game, but a logic error would be avoided.

>> No.18221565

See >>18221303

>> No.18221579
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Is it wrong that I find this quote to be so fucking relatable? Not even talking about people who read without thinking, but talking about people who really don't read/watch/play certain things but pretend to do it for the memes and cred that gives them, I've met a few of these in real life and it annoys me to no end.

>> No.18221652

Someone post the "Sex: not yet" one.

>> No.18221677

Ange is such a delinquent whore. I can totally imagine her going to Hinamizawa and beating the living crap out of Rika to take revenge on Bern. She can't do anything to a witch, but she's certainly stronger than a loli.

>> No.18221692

Nobody can read everything. And those who do can miss out on crucial details the writer left behind. Mile wide, inch deep

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>> No.18221896

Ange is so lewd!

The fact that she's 18 and can legally do porn is just mindblowing.

>> No.18221997

I'm all for lewding Ange, but fuck off.

>> No.18222048

Puts a whole new spin on the phrase “trick ending”

>> No.18222074

You can't be an adult in Japan until you turn 21. Which means that Ange is technically a minor but she can still go to America and have her hairy underage pussy toyed with in a porno.

What's the deal with 20 year olds being minors in Japan anyway? That's pretty stupid.

>> No.18222132

The age of consent in Japan is 13.

>> No.18222170

Yeah, but that's only on paper. It's actually much higher in most prefectures and only applies if both people are underage.

A Japanese 13 year old can be fucked silly by her boyfriend, but if she appears naked in a picture or video, all hell breaks loose.

>> No.18222236

It's 18

>> No.18222326

The age of majority is 20, but that has nothing to do with the age of consent or porn. It just means that you're officially considered an adult when you turn 20. The minimum age for starring in porn is still 18

>> No.18222327

I'll never see Houjou Satoshi the same way again after reading Subahibi.

>> No.18222359

>Featherine will never elevate Ange to our plane of existence
>Ange will never know that her fans say lewd stuff about her and imagine her doing porn
I'd love to see Ange react to that.

>> No.18222651
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Iwaiheimestein TL WHEN???????
I want to relieve Higurashi 1-4 experiencewise all over again!

>> No.18222694

I like Rosatrice theory
I also like the anime OP

>> No.18222704

Haven't read it and probably won't. What happens?

>> No.18222714

The anime OP is great so that's normal.

>> No.18222716

Wait Lambdadelta is a tranny too?
Fuck I liked her

>> No.18222723

Of course she's not. How could she fuck Bern if she was a guy?

>> No.18222814

Same way Battler and Jooji can fuck Beato and Shannon.

>> No.18222839

Yes, and Krauss is a rapist.

>> No.18222860

I almost forgot about that joke.

>> No.18223135

Rudorofu is Maria's dad.

Jooji touches Maria in lewd places while the other cousins aren't looking.

The servants are literal pieces of furniture that were given human form thanks to Goldsmith's magic.

Sakutaro smells like loli cunny for some mysterious reason.

Rosa is Beatrice.

Natsuhi is cheating on her husband with Gohda.

Kumasawa is the original Beatrice but she has amnesia.

Nanjo killed everyone to keep the gold to himself and treat his sick granddaughter.

Erika is Rika in a fragment where she is adopted by a rich family.

Sakutaro is Satoshi and he is "the boy who is the world itself". All of Umineko is Satoshi's comatose dream and he appears as a stuffed animal because he regrets not giving Satoko the teddy bear.

K1 will appear in WTC5 as KEIICHI, the magician of words. Ryukishi will make it look like he's pulling a Bern on us but K1 will be a genuine ally.

Kawabata sniped Battler from his boat at the end of EP4.

Lambda is a cake that Ikuko bought to celebrate braindead wheelchair Battler's birthday. When Ikuko disappears for a minute, her cat comes into the room and pisses on the cake while Battler watches, drooling. Ikuko comes back and starts feeding him the cake.

Nanjo is Gaap.

>> No.18223166

Why not? It's pretty good. I can't bring myself to spoil shit for you.

>> No.18223184
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I was never really interested in the side arcs.

>> No.18223224

Subahibi is not a side arc of Higurashi. It's a completely different VN. It was mentioned early in this thread and in the previous one.

Let's just say that there's a certain character that is just like Satoshi.

>> No.18223252

Some of those are actually pretty interesting.

>> No.18223273

When I first read Umineko and the whole furniture thing came up, I thought it was some Beauty and the Beast shit. I spent like three episodes thinking that magic was real.

>> No.18223288
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>Lambda is a cake that Ikuko bought to celebrate braindead wheelchair Battler's birthday. When Ikuko disappears for a minute, her cat comes into the room and pisses on the cake while Battler watches, drooling. Ikuko comes back and starts feeding him the cake.
jesus christ

>> No.18223315

I wonder if WTC5 will have amazing trollfaces

>> No.18223326

He's talking about Subarashiki Hibi. As a side note, all of the Higurashi arc names end with -shi so Subahibi couldn't have been the name of one

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Then Meta World Battler punches Bern for ruining the cake.

>> No.18223499

That should have been the real trick ending, for those that wanted a real world explanation even for Lambda and Bern. I'd love to see Ange's reaction to THAT.

>> No.18224468

>K1 will appear in WTC5 as KEIICHI, the magician of words. Ryukishi will make it look like he's pulling a Bern on us but K1 will be a genuine ally.

>> No.18224500
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Is this the power of the Beatricepill?

>> No.18224622

Taking the desire pill is the only way to achieve true enlightenment.

>> No.18224631

So why is the ED to the Umineko anime associated so much with Kinzo?

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>> No.18224899

Iwaihime isn't anywhere near Higurashi, dude.

>> No.18224970

That's very sweet of you!

>> No.18225329

Wait just a fucking second.
If Yasu is actually a boy who had his dick sliced off, than how the fuck does he pee?

>> No.18225385

Because it's about him
Ever heard about surgery?

>> No.18225594

I remember watching it subbed years ago and the credits during the ED lists his name as the singer and called it "Kinzo's Rock Opera". Turns out it was just a joke by the subbing group.

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>> No.18226323

That's some great shitposting right there.

I miss these. The cake is certainly a lie though.

>> No.18226337
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>But Lion is a woman and she gets to be the family head.
>Lion is a woman

>> No.18226350

Yeah, it's like they don't know he would be called Lioness instead.

Silly anons.

>> No.18226493

This needs to be made into fanart. We already have a very high quality picture of Maria pissing in fire for magical breeding power.

>> No.18226520

21 is the legal age to vote, but you can do anything that concerns your own body much earlier. Unlike in America, where the average person loves to get into other people's business and tell 13 year olds what they can and what they can't do with their bodies. What a fucking shithole.

That severed hand theory is pretty hilarious.

>> No.18227860

Jessica is literally Battler's idea of a perfect girl. If only he was more like Kinzo and didn't care about the incest...

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>> No.18228116

Boobs not big enough.

>> No.18228147

Battler is a closet lolicon (Maria, Ange and probably more), he doesn't care about that hag.

>> No.18228588
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How about now?

>> No.18228938


>> No.18228972

Battler likes smart girls and Jessica is dumb as a rock.

>> No.18229062

Yeah, sorry...

>> No.18229431

Use the original sprites, for God's sake. This is a waste of your talent.

>> No.18229665
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I'm an editor, not an artist. It's very difficult to purposefully imitate Ryukishi's art style. This is one of the only ones I've done.

>> No.18229714

But at least Jessica IS a girl

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>I'm an editor, not an artist

>> No.18229904

In the meta-world everyone can be a girl.

>> No.18229968

Even Johji?

>> No.18230027

I wonder how Kinzo feels about his successor being such a girly faggot.

I'm 99% sure that Lion is gay as fuck. The only reason Jessica lets her brother pinch her ass is because she knows he's not really turned on by it.

If Yasu had a dick, she would realize that Jessica doesn't really turn her on. Yasu just finds her very pretty and wishes she could look like her and have the same personality.

>> No.18230081

This sprite with crudely drawn tits and a crudely drawn bush would look hotter and more authentic than these bitches who look dead inside and have literal melons for breasts.

>> No.18230148

Is there any Umineko doujin with incestuous relationship between player Battler and ANGE-Beatrice?

>> No.18230165

>1 tranny
>1 tomboy
>1 imouto


>> No.18230234

There's plenty of Battlerr X Ange stuff, but I don't know about those specifically.

I'd prefer PS3 lewds personally.

>> No.18230426

Lion is probably bi, given Yasu.

>> No.18230545

It's true though. I don't actually draw much. I tend to just take parts from preexisting art and put them together in a way that looks nice.

>> No.18230627

Drawing those breasts requires the same level of skill than the laziest inflation fetish picture on Deviantart. You know, those pictures of a literal perfect circle with hands, feet and a hedgehog face.

>> No.18230744
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I like to think I'm at least a bit more skilled than that.

>> No.18231431

I think you are. your Jessica in old outfit is literally the cutest Umineko fan-art I've ever seen, thanks anon.

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