Elona

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>Previous Thread
>>17750044

Current Version: Elona+ 1.72 (10/8/2017)
Latest Custom: E+C 1.72.1

Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to WINDOWS 7.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAElbJmvO9Y

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Don't recognize that throne room. What castle in the game is it and are the inhabitants hostile?

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>>17782428
Not a dungeon or NPC place. That's a player's home. Too bad moongates don't work. I'd love to visit Kai's house and meet his lovely dark elf wife. I would hope he and his servants aren't hostile. Probably one shot me like those Japanese houses I used to visit when the moongates did work.

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>>17782240
How much time does it take to learn how to play usually ?

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>>17782626
just the basics? 10 minutes.
remembering ALL the shortcuts so yoou dont open the menu each time you want to eat? 10 hours.
mastering it? ...I'm still learning.

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>>17782626
It's a nonstop learning experience.

That said, understanding the base mechanics and WHY things happen the way they do? Shit man that probably finally clicked to me about 60 hours in, and i'm not terribly bright.

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>>17782652
>>17782662
Now, that's intimidating.

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>>17782669
exploring all your options is part of the selling point in a sandbox game.

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So I've been doing some tests and experimenting with corpse enchant values from ranches and the effects of seasoning items such as butter, pepper or salt. This is done in version Elona+ Custom v1.71.1

The test subjects were fairies in my ranch. I always rub and milk them everyday right before they are about to die from milking, then cull them. This usually builds up their enchant value over a few days.

One would assume that spicing up your livestock before you cull them would give them a higher enchant value. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

When my livestock dies without any seasoning, the enchant value of the corpse is usually around the +7 to +9 ranch.

But livestock that I season with all 4 types of seasoning, and then throw butter at, seems to make minimal to no difference and yield corpses of around +6 or 7 value...
Additionally, using more than one kind of seasoning doesn't change anything either. I tried applying only one seasoning and the results are the same.

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>>17782699
Conclusions:
Spicing your livestock before you cull them not only seems to make no difference, but may even make the results worse for some reason.

Weird thing is, I remember corpse values actually getting boosted from throwing butter alone back in version 1.70, where corpses from my ranches would end up in over +10 enchant values. I only felt fit to get around to testing all seasonings now because I noticed that culled corpses in 1.71 was on the low ends of enchant values recently, for some reason.

This makes no sense. I wonder if there's a bug with ranch livestock right now, or if these spices were only meant for monsters you fight out in the wild.

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>>17782699
>I always rub my fairies down with butter before milking them to death.
I fucking love these threads.

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>>17782699
how do you have a baby from butter?

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>>17782827
iono, ask the translator/Ano

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how o i stick a skill to the side of the screen? skil watcher or whatever

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>>17783093
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>>17782714
I'm fairly certain that seasoning and rubbing affect the same "counter". I think I read somewhere that most types of seasoning only go up to +4, and butter only goes up to +2.

My understanding is that seasoning basically has two uses: wild monsters, and for players who clear out the entire ranch each time instead of milking the monsters to death. Season each new monster first, then rub, then milk, then butcher.

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>>17783142
ty

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>>17783199
That'd mean the best use for seasonings is on <enemies> who always drop a corpse.

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Do more recipes for alchemy, and tailoring show up as you level the skill. Only a few show up for me

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>>17783666
Yeah, they start appearing when you get close to the skill level required, same with Carpentry and Jewelling.

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>>17783199
>>17783230
Yeah I had people in the Discord confirm how seasoning works. Rubbing does the same thing as seasoning would. So if you've already rubbed the livestock a few times, then seasoning wouldn't do anything.

To be fair, seasonings were introduced and advertised as for wild monsters (probably bosses and such) but I was still disappointed it had no real bonuses ontop of ranching.

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>>17782382
Who ever did the subs is a god.

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>>17782699
Playing 1.72 and the seasonings seem to enhance their plus bonus by 1. I'm still not sure if the amount of times you rub your ranched animals contributes to better plus bonuses. You may only need to do it once just before you kill the creature.

My normal plus bonus average from just rubbing right before killing the creature is +11. Note that I do have the brush item in my inventory when I go to rub my ranched creatures. Each seasoning that I apply to the rabbits in my pic after I rub the creature applies a +1 bonus. I can easily get to +14 this way but I have found it very tough to get to +15 consistently. While I have gotten +15 meats this way it's rare and also while I do average +11 by rubbing I have scored below that every now and then. So I'm guessing there's some RNG involved. Not pictured is when I use butter but I did use it and it too increases the plus bonus by 1 like any other seasoning for me.

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Anyone got any bedroom ideas or pictures I can use to help model my own room in my house?

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>>17785076

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>>17785076
Thinking about remodeling my room but here's what mine looks like.

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>>17785093
How do you plan on improving it?

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>>17785103
I've always wanted to make the room bigger and add crafting stations to my room. So far my room checks various common anime tropes but I can do better. Kotatsu for lazing around eating mikans check. Various books and manga near the Kotatsu to read check. If the heater below the Kotatsu makes me or the person I have over pass out there's futons nearby to sleep. Not so secret porn stash and dakimakura clearly visible check.

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Reading a book in town was a mistake. Now a pack of 4 hungry lions massacring everyone they meet.

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>>17785375
what graphics do you got?

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Do you think I could kill <Garziem> now? Or should I level up some more to increase my HP bar by even a little?

>tfw I still don't have Clear Mind

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How should I go about building a magic casting/magic device wielding pet? She doesn't seem to want to use the rods I give her

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>>17785438
Pet spellcasting has four options:
1. Level your spell up to L50 so you can teach it.
2. Buy the spell with AP.
3. The pet comes with the spell.
4. The pet learns the spell when it evolves.

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>>17785494
So they can't wield magical devices? Also I'm afraid I might have accidentally overwritten the lick ability from the black cat given by Ehekatl of luck by using a business card on it...

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>>17785535
What? No.
Business card changes their class name, which CAN change their hidden class feat if you rename them to something applicable.
It has no effect on bitflags or abilities.

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>>17785542
Good to know. Because there is no actual lick skill in the AI section so I was scared that it might've been a class feat. So it happens fairly rarely I guess?

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>>17785572
The lick is something that happens automatically when the Black Cat lands a killing blow and the enemy drops Miracle or Godly equipment. There's no actual special action involved, it just does.
Yes, this CAN apply to static artifacts that are dropped by enemies.

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>>17785535
>So they can't wield magical devices?
The only instance of pets using magical devices that I'm aware of is immediately after being handed them. That's mostly used with scrolls and potions, although it's known that they'll use a rod of wishing if handed one. I haven't heard of pets using rods otherwise, though.

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>trina thread

into the trash it goes

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Is playing blackjack really the only "easy" way of getting potions of cure corruption?

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>>17785900
I got my first one through small medals, since I was too stupid to understand blackjack.
Either just use the ones in towns, or the ones in dungeons, but you gotta remember that you can't get them in dungeons lower than level 50 anymore in 1.72.

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>>17785900
It's the most reliable way to get a decent amount of cure corruption potions. High ranking magic shops and dungeons sometimes have them, but they're rare and expensive. You can buy one for 10 medals from the dwarves if you need it badly, but usually you'd rather buy something else with those.

If you're struggling with blackajck, save your chips for a lucky day, it's a lot easier to get a streak with luck - every time you draw a card that would make you go bust, you get a luck based chance to skip that card,. Since 1.72, you can also pay 1 chip from your current bet to fold and not lose your streak. You can even fold when you're above 21. Game strategy is fairly simple, with high luck you can fairly reliable up to 17. If you need more chips, try going on a dungeon binge while Nefia is in fever, which happens every 15th day on non-etherwind months. During fever, every randon dungeon floor has tons of material spots.

Other than that, avoid Etherwind as best you can. Buy a shelter in your home, sleep in your shelter during, keep a scroll of return handy.

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>>17785900

That surely is the case during early game since you can't just waste gold on buying the occasional cure corruptions from magic vendors and gimp your progress. You could just use small medals in times of desperation though since you'd end up having tons of them anyway later on the game.

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>>17785948
Meant to post "sleep in your shelter during Etherwind-prone time, which is days 1-10 on months 3, 6, 9 and 12. Also DO NOT melee shining hedgehogs.

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>>17785375
go find a guard.

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>>17785535
>>17785591
pets also ue stuff like rods of magic arrow. been giving that to puppy so it won't charge enemies to its death.

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>>17785957
and don't eat high demons, no matter what eating imps makes you think. also don't eat wisps. and while we are at it, don't eat shiny hedgehogs either. nor should you wield ether eqipment. (seriously lulwy)

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Just updated to the recent version and what is this, a level 326 dungeon boss just gave me 42620 gold. I thought it was just a bug so I finished another dungeon around its level and got the same amount of gold. What the hell is this crap?

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>>17786518
Dungeon boss gold drops got nerfed ages ago, in exchange for dungeon mobs dropping more gold. If you dungeon crawl to get dosh you'll have to comb each floor now.

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>>17786596

That's just retarded.

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>>17786609
Bosses became more considerate with their minions. They deserve a raise in salary just as well.

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>>17782240
People legit still play this shit?

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>>17786618

Finally a good reason to not update at all.

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>>17786706
Never is a pretty strong sentiment to have. Not only will you lock yourself out of any new content but if for some reason you do update and make a new character you probably wouldn't have any idea on how to deal with the changes because you never got used to it. Meanwhile people will be talking about things in the new version and how to do stuff under the new rules and stuff instead of the old.

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>>17786726

That's preferable if I could be spared from pretty retarded change reasoning like these:

1st nerf

>The number of gold pieces awarded for clearing random Nefia is now approximately 1/4 of what it was. Floors other than the first one will have roughly the same amount of gold placed on the ground. This change was made because dungeons gave the same reward no matter how many floors there were in there, and players looking to get the gold reward at the end were basically making a beeline for the last floor.

2nd nerf

>Amount of money rewarded for clearing Nefias (and their individual floors) was way too much, so it has been significantly reduced.

Not only did the dev reduce the reward for killing a level 400+ Atlas to a single (one) potion of cure corruption for literally no reason at all, but he also assumed that a 1M gold reward per dungeon was "way too much" which is obviously false if you know the various gold dumps in this game. I'd never acknowledge a malicious change of trivializing a logical method of getting easy gold and intentional switching of the gold gaining meta from a very dangerous yet logical one to a dumb farmville/crafting tedium.

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>>17785759
What is trina?

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>>17786726

The only change worth talking about is the goddamned auto-saves. I'm getting pretty pissed by the day, why exactly is this feature here? Was this added for the sole purpose of pissing me off?

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>>17786865
Has anyone actually compared the average gold amount per dungeon of a set level pre- and post change? Picking up all the scattered piles in the case of the latter. If the reasoning for the second nerf was that there was too much, is it because total gold exceeded the amount before the first?

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>>17786974

~250k gold is still too much for a dev who intends to completely discard the convenience of getting a good amount of gold from dungeons. Might as well remove gold from gold bells too while he was at it

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>>17786981
The 1/4th applies to the total amount of gold after picking up every single pile?

Unlike what other lads said it isn't the enemies that drop the extra gold, there are piles of gold equal to what the boss carries scattered everywhere. So let's say a Lv400 dungeon boss used to drop 1mil, but now gives 50k. There'd need to be 20 piles scattered around the floors to make up for it. So my question is ARE there on average 20 piles?

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Should I wait until I finish the game first to get into modding or...?

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>>17787097
you should first understand the game before modding it, but other than that do it any time you want.

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>>17786865
Funny thing is people in the past were complaining how easy it was to make gold and how useless it was after awhile. Now people like you are complaining how it's hard to make gold. Then there are people saying there's not enough things to spend gold on and others saying that there are plenty of things to spend gold on. It's obvious here that people play the game very differently. The winners seem to be the ones experiencing every aspect the game has to offer while the people that got shafted are the people that can't adapt from playing the game a single way.

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>>17786865
clearing a dungoen is 1/4. te rest of the gold in the dungoen was bumpd up. perhaps you stopped playing a dungoen as a boss rush and actually xplore the floors?

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>>17787951
Well there are really very few things to spend money in late-game, but still there exists a gold dump where you can throw billions: scrolls of growth from souvenir vendors.

They cost 3.5 a piece with maxed NEG discount,they are actually pretty useful to train secondary skills.

Is there anything to hundreds of millions on? At some point I had about 1.4 billion from selling panties, now I still have about 500m, slowly dwindling from scrolls of growth spam.

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>>17787951
I think it's interesting how stark a difference there is between some of the complaints about pre and post patches.
Personally I havent had an issue with any of the changes except the small medals. And that is only because I like to dive low level dungeons during fever to get my mind off things and possibly getting a small medal at the end was nice.

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>>17787974

I would never explore an estimated average of 20 floors from 4 separate dungeons with 4 different dangerous bosses and mobs just to get the original 1 Million and make my eyes bleed.

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Ive been modding/changing a lot of the graphics in game, portraits, the item sheet and all that. But the one mod i tried to my player character was the one that fucking with their scaling and makes that look like a fat babby mess.

First off, why did someone make such a poorly scaled mod? Are there new pcc files that work with it?

What practical mods does everyone use for changing your main and human party members?

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>>17788210
Sounds like you were never an adventurer then. Maybe stick with doing something else in the game to make gold.

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>>17788210
But anon! It's fun!

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>>17788221
There is a ingame option to resize PCCs, you are supposed to use it for big stuff (usually Mack-styled PCCs made with character creators, originally created for RPG Maker).

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>>17787974

What's wrong with boss rushing compared to

>Mother: Honey, I really HATE you for getting your 1 L of beer every week at the local grocery. Beer is bad for your health!
>Father: Oh, okay.
>Mother: So instead, I have scattered and will continue to scatter your weekly 1 L of beer to 20 different parts of 50ml across the world. Oh by the way, the nearest 250ml of beer is found in Russia.
>Dad: Where exactly in Russia should I find them?
>Mom: NO! It's part of my brilliant plan! (game design) Look for it yourself!
>Dad: I-it's fun h-h-hahaha!

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>>17788395
Why would the boss of a dungeon have the entire amount of gold you can make from it on him? Certainly his minions should be carrying some of the gold and why would they even carry all of it when they can store it in various places where they live? If you want to boss rush you can do challenge and panic quests.

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>>17788439

Why should level x>=180 skills only cost 10 platinum to train? 10 is an ugly number, I would prefer 40 because it's cool.

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>>17788454
10 is a great number.

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>>17788454
Fucking 40fags showing their shit taste again

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>>17788454
If we are being honest about this 40 is uglier. If you want that changed go 50 or 100. The math is nicer.

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>>17788454

Is it just me or is the platinum cost for skills too cheap?! The ground is too soft

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>>17788454
Because it just is and you should get used to it just like how you can't make millions in 10 seconds now and complain you're so rich with nothing to spend your gold on.

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>>17788287
Doing what, exactly? Every way of making gold has been nerfed multiple times.

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>>17788479
You should get used to the feeling of a noose around your neck.

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>>17788484
Argue against me faggot. That's what you would have done or have been doing since last you played.

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>>17788480

Well, umm... COOKING! xdd And rubbing your cute livestock multiple times! Isn't that fun?

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So there's good news and bad news in the partial changelog for the next version. Enemies will now be able to be slowed by depleting their stamina. That comes with a nerf that you can't absorb stamina from enemies with 0 stamina. No more easy fishing I guess.

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>>17788491
Couldn't you just suck a monster dry and just cast summon monster to get another one to suck dry?

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>>17788518
I didn't think of that. Not as simple but it's better than nothing.

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>>17788454

I'd rather have the quest rewards from Challenge and Panic quests to have a 30% chance to be scattered around the town. If there's a 15000 and 10 plat reward for a Challenge quest, there's a 30% chance for it to be divided to sets of 1500 gold and 1 plat in 10 different parts of the town.

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>>17788537
Until Ano nerfs summoned monsters again.

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>>17788648
Has there ever been a nerf to that spell? Spell just summons random monsters as advertised.

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>>17788751
Not the spell itself, but summoned monsters don't give AP and summoned NPCs have become useless for training performance.

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Is there anyone still rich in 1.72? Is Kai still rich? What's the max amount of gold you can draw
From dungeons?

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>>17787511
This sucks, how it was before Noa shit all over it was perfect. Now if you have that off there's too many autosaves, if you have that on there's not enough.

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>>17788839

250k plus the gold piles that you'll inevitably mistake for a part of the 250k pile but turned out to be just mere pocket change and gold bell gold.

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>>17788880
Ano*
All those Chinese names look alike

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Oh what !!FUN!!
I fucking hate fishing already is there no better way to raise piety with Ehekatl?

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>>17789169
git gud and stop complaining about empty bottles.
Fill them up with wells or something.

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>>17789169
heavy corpse farming
Buying fish from vendors
Coconut Crab!

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>>17789169
Junk make recipe with the pot for fusion. You can make dead fish from any item.

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What visual overhaul is this? Also as said pot of fusion dead fish.

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>>17789169

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>>17788839
Playing 1.72 and yeah I'm still rich. Instead of making obscene amounts of gold I'm now just making lots of gold. I'm content with that though. I might be of the rare minority that makes a lot of gold but knows exactly how he's going to spend it so no complaints here.

Gold piles exist beyond the first floor in dungeons and the cap for them is 50k. The final floor of the dungeon has a pile of 50k and the boss can carry 50k as well. So a five floor dungeon can net you 250k if you hunt for the gold piles and kill the dungeon boss. Now I wouldn't exactly say that particular dungeon is worth 250k. Considering I pick those dungeons clean of loot by picking up rods, scrolls, armor, weapons, and corpses to cook to sell in my shop I'd say a single five floor dungeon can net me anywhere from 300k to 1 million in gold if I get lucky with loot. I also make an amazing amount of gold from looting the void. In fact, if I'm only interested in gold it's better that I go to the void because all I have to do is keep going up and down stairs to constantly get corpses to cook and things to loot. Then just need to cast return and dump my stuff in my shops.

Most of my gold comes from my food and blacksmith. I completely smashed my prior record with my food shop. The void today loved sending me up against mammoths, dragons, golems, and other heavy creatures which make for perfect steak selling. I earned around 63 million just from selling all the corpses I cooked up . Yacatect is still training to sell all of my inventory in my blacksmith. She only cleared 46 of the 300 items I put in her shop for the day. I could probably push 1 million gold or more if she was better at her job but 470k is still decent. Magic shop made almost 200k and my inn made around 421k. So on top of the 63 million I made another million from my other shops.

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>>17788839

cook heavy monsters for easy gold in the food shop black smith for item re-rolling and money on the side

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>>17788839

I just finished a 3 floor level 286 dungeon and got literally zero pile of gold beyond the boss drop. I've searched the 2nd floor and 3rd floor thoroughly so I'm sure I wasn't mistaken.

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>>17789593
Do you have pets? Those fuckers are good at doing their job of looting stuff so they can see their trainers.

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>>17789598

I don't use a pet

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>>17789593
Sure you didn't just grab the gold pile out of force of habit and forget about it or not notice?

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>>17789625

It's just 2 floors worth of focus since I'm testing something. It's not that hard to do once in a while

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>>17789593

So we can conclude that not only did Ano nerf the total gold obtainable from dungeons by a whole quarter but he also randomized the total piles of 50k gold from 0 to 4. He even shamelessly included zero in the number randomization hahahaha holy shit I guess he really hates dungeon raiders!

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>>17789804
The gold amount in the piles should match what the dungeon boss has on him. I don't know about the guy you're referring to but I've always found gold piles past the first floor and have never had problems finding them.

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>>17789804
I can conclude you're fishing for reasons to hate someone without doing any effort yourself to figure out how things actually work.

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>>17789952
Not him but Ano shitting on the custom developers were enough reason for me to hate him.

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my character keeps randomly drinking shit, what's up with that?

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>>17789989
Ctrl-F

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>>17789994
>>17789989
Shift-F*

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I've been away for a while, what's the blue heart that keeps popping up above my pets?

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>>17789996
shit, how do I cure this shit?

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>>17790005
Potions of Cure Corruption. You get a free one for talking to the guy in the third floor of Lesimas then talking to the king.

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>>17789951

Of course the gold amount on a single pile would match with what the boss has on him, if there ARE any gold piles that spawned that is. What >>17789593 did is not that hard to imitate, considering you have 20% chance to trigger a zero (0,1,2,3,4) per floor. Surely you have already experienced failing a spell 2 consecutive times while wearing heavy armor (80% casting chance), yes? This is about the same.

>>17789952

Don't flip out suddenly since I'm just stating a fact. A player reward being potentially 1/20 of what it was before if you didn't find a single gold pile despite the danger is a clear sign of pure malice toward the particular feature.

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dangit.

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>>17790029
What I'm saying is I have never failed to find a gold pile because they've always existed for me.

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>>17790066
god bless timestop and meteor

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>>17789977
This again? How long are you going to harbor resentment over your own misinterpretation of what he said? Hell it's even dubious of whether or not what he said was actually word for word what the guy even put down in that thread because I can't even find records of it on his own blog.

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>>17788395
wrong example.


>Mother: Honey, I really HATE you for getting your 5 L of beer every week at the local bar.
>Father: Oh, okay.
>Mother: So instead, I have scattered and will continue to scatter 4 of your weekly 5 L of beer to different parts of 50ml across the town in places you need to be. i have put it in the grocery store, the kids school, your workplace the museum... be sure to visit those places.

>>17788480
you are not supposed to grind. you are supposed to have fun while playing and the gold will accumulate on its own.

>>17789169
try checking shops for fish, untill ehektel likes you enough that you get actual fish from fishing.

>>17789593
have you tried looking for hidden rooms?

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>>17790029
>Of course the gold amount on a single pile would match with what the boss has on him,

That's not always true. While it's true the gold pile can match what the dungeon boss has on him there can be cases where they don't. The dungeon level determines how much gold in total will exist on the boss and the piles. It's then divided up by the floors. Sometimes the division leads to uneven numbers being distributed among the floors meaning the piles can sometimes not be the same amount floor to floor.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21nJ-W48l-4

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>>17790076

But you can confirm that you've at least experienced getting at least 1 or 2 piles only in a single dungeon right? You can do a zero, you just have to believe in yourself!

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>>17790143
Only if the dungeon is 3 floors. I'd get gold piles on floors 2 and 3 and the boss would carry a gold pile on him. The first floor is never counted to have a pile. It's assumed that the boss of the dungeon and the gold that is on him makes up for that fact.

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>>17790081
wouldn't meteor kill my pets?

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>>17790139

Let's not nitpick too much on irrelevant details. We're assuming that it's 50000 gold since it's the max amount per pile so the discussion is consistent.

>>17790137

I don't think you can hide any room with magic mapping.

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>>17790165
almost certainly

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>>17790177
with teleportation i managed to save my dog and my murder knight.

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>>17790094
>This again? How long are you going to harbor resentment over your own misinterpretation of what he said?
Jesus. This is the fact: Ano hates you for your race, you don't have to stop playing Elona, you don't have to hate Ano back, but at least stop defending and making excuses, it's nauseating.

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>>17790191

>Ano hates you for your race

Does he hate golems?

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>>17790200
Is the dim immunity worth being so slow and stupid?

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>>17790191
Are you kidding me? I've sent bug reports to him in the past stating in Japanese that I'm a westerner asking him to cut me some slack for my terrible Japanese and he was cool about it. I got responses back from him that he'd look into them and he fixed them. He didn't strike me as hating western people. In the past I recall seeing people help Kai in writing a bug report about the HP problem he was facing where it would reset to 1 due to overflow problems. Apparently he sent it in and it got fixed. Didn't seem like anything went weird during the exchange.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17790206
Both of those are pretty easy to fix. Dim immunity is one of a kind and nice, but I'd say you're going to feel the 150 life most of all.
I've been able to dump my hero cheeses into my pets and not having to worry about myself for a long, long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17790206

It's not like you'll be spamming a Cure of Jure early game and the speed problem is easily solved by glass equipment, shoes, seven league boots and +speed feats. Usually, you'll only be casting buffs and melee/shoot everything that moves anyway if you're playing optimally.

[Anonymous No.]

Why am i taking so much damage from 'gravity' enemy spells?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17790391
I believe that checks your magic resist, is your magic resist ass?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17790457
yes it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17790457
>>17790469
what is the base damage for gravity btw?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17790066
Are those (cluster) bomb rocks? If so, they can't blow up if they're wet. Bubble Ball from a spell or a rod or Alchemical Rain would've done the trick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17790616

I don't think he would have Alchemical Rain at that stage of the game

[Anonymous No.]

Gods these days are not what they used to be...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17790616
thats good to know. i think i have bubble ball.

[Anonymous No.]

I started farming to get my attributes up, should you use herb in or large picnic baskets?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791314
>farming herb in food
try 'farming' for potions of potential instead. tough i keep my potential at acceptable levels by having a cooking pet and going to sleep at around 9pm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791359
I have 130 potions of potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791380
blessed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791396
Of course. All my potentials are always suberb (excluding luck and speed).

[Anonymous No.]

between a big daddy and <archyeek>, who would win?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791557
forgot my image.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it alive or dead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791561
Big Daddies are leveled according to the DL and are machinegods, so Big Daddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791589
real items? when did elona include such a thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791690
Real item.
>when did elona include such a thing?
Don't know, they drop by quantum creatures.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to change my background and height?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791715
>background
the undersea/abyssal palace.
>height
blessed milk make you taller, cursed milk makes you shorter. you get those by 'squeeze'ing things in your ranch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791589
Opened them in 1 of them was a cat, in the other 4 a zombie cat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791747
Danke Schöne

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791314
No.
The only thing that matters in a basket is the ingredients rank. No matter if it's +10 or herbed or not rotten. If it's kitchen refuse +10 herb your baskets will suck... or that's how it used to be...

Could anyone confirm or deny?

[Anonymous No.]

On a whim I gave this cloak to my grenade/potion throwing young lady.
It turned out quite well, but the log keeps reminding me how I felt about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792030
use a scroll of name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17791589
>>17791765
I guess none of them are really dead.

[Anonymous No.]

Do blessed potions of potential increase speed potential?

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have any sprites of this character?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792442

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792176
no, but potions of speed upper do

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792442

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792570
Thank you very much anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792620
if you want more from the same artist, just look up "旅烏"

[Anonymous No.]

How do I change my appearence ingame? Most I could find was to hide clothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792692
press P on your character screen

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792701
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792692
'c'haracter
'p'ortrait

[Anonymous No.]

>>17790029
Playing 1.72. Never have problems finding the gold piles beyond the first floor. Never had instances where any of the piles were missing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792570
Can anyone link me to a guide for replacing a pets sprites with these, please? The wiki comes up with a 404.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17793236
just put them in the user graphic pics in the character bmp

[Anonymous No.]

>>17788210
The estimate you are referring to wasn't 20 floors, it was 20 piles of gold (50,000x20=1,000,000) and multiple 50k piles are spawned on each floor of a dungeon whose boss used to give 1mil and now gives 50k (piles are equal to boss drop). Nobody even provided any real comparisons or data of any kind, so it's not even clear what the changes actually amounted to in total gold (amount of floors also varies per dungeon).

So you faggots complaining about the changes are just blatantly lying now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17793248
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17793236
For reference https://pastebin.com/uAVqeTbz

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792549
Thanks, I assume the easiest way to get speed upper potions is with music tickets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17789453
1324 customers visited your shop and made 63 mill. Oh my yacatect. What are the stats of this shopkeeper and where do I get one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792570
Welp, i have too much time on my hands apparently. Here's baka Koakuma who doesn't know what clothes are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17789453
>I might be of the rare minority
Still relatively new, and make most of my money with cargo. One trip Eirel > Ludus > Valm needs ~2min and makes 3mil gp profit.

>Yacatect is still training to sell all of my inventory in my blacksmith.
Do you mean the god Yacatect? Did you get her with the astral pen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17793533
And just to be clear it's my edit of this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17792659
Neat, I was looking on the uploader for ages trying to find it and stuff like it.now the older sister in my party won't look so plain in contrast.

[Anonymous No.]

guys i killed metal vesta the fire machine before talking with favela did i fuck up? should i re-initialize the machine fort?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17793339
Saya has been a party member for a very long time and I've built up her attributes through herbs. The main reason why she can get so many people to come to the shop is a combo of shop rank and her charisma. She doesn't have as high of negotiation as my other dedicated shopkeepers but she makes up for that through sheer volume of goods sold through the many people that visit her shop. As for where I got Saya, I got her from the slave trader in Derphy. A warrior of Elea that I changed the sprite of. Any pet/ally can be brought up to be a great shopkeeper.

>>17793546
Yeah cargo running can be a great source of gold. Definitely lots of ways to make gold in this game. After I became strong enough to kill the gods I decided to also astral pen Yacatect for role playing purposes. The god recruitment penalty which decreases attributes and skills hit her hard so she isn't much better than my other shopkeepers. Nevertheless I'm enjoying having the goddess of wealth behind a cash register in one of my shops.

[Anonymous No.]

Do other adventurers drop items?

[Anonymous No.]

yo how do I train my shopkeeper to be better? I got a bunch of bronze coins but idk what to click help boii

[Anonymous No.]

Somebody decided to summon monsters in Palmia. As much as I just skirt around and constantly die while waiting for the guards to kill them they just won't stop popping up. Is the town pretty much done for? Should I just give up on it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794355
Do they look like noodles?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794355
Someone has "attracts monsters" equipment on.
Find them and relieve them of their equipment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17793270

>blatantly lying

LOL no one is lying here. He's even kind since he actually assumed that he's getting the maximum amount of 4 piles (beyond the boss drop) of 50k per dungeon for 4 dungeons straight which is very difficult to achieve because of pile number randomization. You don't even need any real data, just do some random level 360+ dungeon and see if you can get 4 piles of 50k in your first try. What he assumed (4 dungeons = 1M) was already very optimistic and quite unrealistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794364
One looked like a giant green noodle, but if you mean aliens I didn't see any. A prompt of "so and so got pregnant" popped up, but I'm pretty sure they got killed by something.
>>17794379
Thanks. That must have been it. I assume they got killed too by a random monster because they stopped popping up just now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17788839

My newbie pet I've been raising since last night is suddenly making big bucks. Didn't know she's capable of selling some pseudo vindale cloak at that ridiculous price

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794449
They impregnate everyone who is near them. Your city is doomed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794411
Not him but to be fair I have run into dungeons with more than 5 floors. It's just that 3-5 floors seem to be pretty common but more than 5 is uncommon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794130
Just spend the bronze coins. Should raise their charisma and negotiation potential. From there the more stuff they sell the more they'll train their charisma and negotiation leading to those two things raising. Can also do what Kai has been doing which is feeding his pets herbs which raises stats like charisma.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794533
how do I "spend" the bronze coins? (sorry im pretty new)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794554
In your shop, (t)use the register and select the option to spend bronze coins to train your shopkeeper

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794569
what the heck do I click? I got 21 bronze coins in my inventory

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794587
Have you assigned a pet to be your shopkeeper?
It should look like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794604
yeah I did, a wizard of elea I bought from the slave master, what the fudge

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794634
I don't understand, then. You're on the latest version, right?

[Anonymous No.]

you can't always get what you want
but if you try hard enough
youll get what you need

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794660
Yeah 1.72

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794554
>>17794587
The reason why you can't spend bronze coin on him is because a freshly bought Elea Wizard doesn't have the negotiation skill. If you manage to gene engineer the negotiation skill to him so that he gets the skill then you'll be able to spend bronze coins on him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794854
thanks, is there any other pet I can acquire that already has it? i'm level 15 if that matters

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794863
The slave trader does have NPCs for sale that come with negotiation. Examples are Robber, Juere Infantry, Rock Thrower, Juere Swordsman, Master Thief, etc. For more info on shops you might want to visit the wiki about them:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Shop_(Deed_Building)

[Anonymous No.]

if i have a house in north tyris and i read a deed in south tyris, what will happen to my house in north tyris?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17795122

How in the world does one use an organic fertilizer? I just planted a seed on a plowed tile in a farm and whenever I tried using it on top, the message log says that the plant has already grown fully and I can't use it. I tried various methods like using it on top of an unplanted tile but to no avail

[Anonymous No.]

How in the world does one use an organic fertilizer? I just planted a seed on a plowed tile in a farm and whenever I tried using the fertilizer on top, the message log says that the plant has already grown fully and I can't use it. I tried various methods like using it on top of an unplanted and plowed tile but to no avail

[Anonymous No.]

>>17795169
You use it on the mid stage crops, and they grow to third stage instantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17795177

That's strange. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>playing elona for years
>no living weapons
>played elona as a follower of ehektel
>3 living weapons before lvl 50
is there any reason to choose other gods?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17793748

Those are good numbers but what's the maximum effective Negotiation for pets? They can't just raise Negotiation up to the point of selling 1 mica bullet and get a blood of a virgin highschool girl from selling it now can they?

[Anonymous No.]

Can you even capture the yeek boss that sits in dungeon near Yowyn?
I tried knocking it out and then throwing lvl 24 ball at it, lenses say it level is 14, but ball hit and says 'this creature can't be captured'. I know that it says it right there, but is there really no way to capture it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17795448
For everything else that can't be captured through a monster ball there is the astral light pen

[Anonymous No.]

>>17794411
>You don't even need any proof, just do one dungeon and then buy into my narrative
Yeah ok faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>17795448
You can't capture or dominate unique NPCs, you have to use an astral light pen as >>17795461 suggests. And considering how hard it is to gen a pen without wishing, the effort to raise its friendship and how non-special the yeek boss is, it's not really worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

*tips fedora, teleports behind with shadowstep*

[Anonymous No.]

>>17795722

[Anonymous No.]

>>17795329
Yes.

Kumiromi is the only real god.

Death to infidels!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17795838
enjoy planting barfed up seeds!

[Anonymous No.]

whats the difference between items with <> name and ones with {} name?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17796022
<miracle quality> multiple enchantments, material can be changed with scrolls
{godly quality} high level enchantments, material can only be changed with kits

Static artifacts have <> but are special, even says so in the description. Those can't be changed but you can still acid/fireproof them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17796035
thanks

[Anonymous No.]

I got the Beautify pack but now a set of eyes overlap the cahracter. How do I fix this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17796538
Either select no eyes and cycle trough the body types to find your preferred one, or find the old sprite for the old body type in your backup and replace it with one of the bodies you don't want.

You did do a backup, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17796538
'c'haracter
'p'ortrait
set detail
eyes 0

[Anonymous No.]

yo my character keeps losing charimsa, I even used cheats to get my charisma up to 15 then just standing and doing nothing it decreased down to 7. I don't have any corruption or mutations on me that would effect charisma either, what's good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17796792
Are you sick?

[Anonymous No.]

I beat the final boss.
What is there to do now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17796844
Make an NPC copy of yourself and defeat your greatest enemy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17796844
Reach the bottom of the Void

[Anonymous No.]

>>17796844
make your ideal waifu, with costum tone and sprite and maybe even equipment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17796844
Go download the crab enemy pack in the pastebin and see if you're strong enough to kill them.

[Anonymous No.]

Any advice on leveling up an underleveled ally quick?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797248
Gene Engineering

[Anonymous No.]

Is this any good? Is there something much much better? this is going to be an offhand weapon for my dual wielder yandere sister.
The darkness rez and the grenade was already on it.

[Anonymous No.]

another noob question from ya boi:
why doesn't my store make bank? I have a rogue warrior working in it, use bronze coins until his potential is superb, and the store is specialized as a blacksmith or whatever to sell equipment, yet I'm making much less money going to dungeons and collecting shit to sell than when I would just grind on town board quests, what gives? The dude will sell like 10 items for 1500 gold, jeez

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797324
Equipment prices got nerfed to hell and back and back to hell in 1.71.

[Anonymous No.]

Please help! Elona says my party is full even when I'm alone!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797495
If they are dead or at home they still take up a slot. Raise your charisma or leave members at the dojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17795436
According to the shop wiki negotiation of 288 is the max effective. So it appears Saya just needs a few more points in negotiation before she becomes the perfect shop keeper. Yacatect on the otherhand has enough negotiation but her charisma needs work. I can always put her on a curraria diet to raise her charisma.

>>17797306
Don't see anything wrong with it. Seems like you're going with chaos damage. Should become a strong lightsaber if you commit all 10 levels to increasing chaos damage. Just remember past level 10 living weapons start to bleed you.

>>17797324
Playing 1.72. A couple of factors is determining how much gold your shop is bringing in. First, higher negotiation skill on your shopkeeper will lead to him selling stuff for more gold. Initially you probably won't be making a lot from your shop due to this. So have your robber keep on selling stuff to level up its negotiation. Keep its potentials high through bronze coins. Second, the actual material and whether or not the equipment you're selling is miracle/godly matters in how much equipment sells for. Rarer/better material sell for more. An adamantium katana for instance is going to sell for more than mica for instance. So keep your eyes open for big ticket items to sell in your shop. Finally, shop rank and charisma help in driving customers to your store. The more customers that go through your shop the more things you can sell leading to more gold in your safe when you close out the day.

So shops can be great but you need to put in the work for them to make them turn out huge amounts of gold. Earlier on you might be making more gold just selling your stuff to any normal vendor but if you can, try to stick with your shops and its shopkeepers to make them great later on. Pic related shows Yacatect selling 11 equipment pieces in my blacksmith with the things I mentioned above at work. Shops can be valuable for trade ins but its main benefit is the fact that you can sell things in bulk in one place. If you sell to normal vendors in a city you always have to worry whether they carry enough gold to give you for the amount of stuff you sell to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797555
thanks for the detailed response my dude, according to the other guy equipment prices got nerfed, should I change my shop to selling something else to get that paper?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797585
It's true shops got nerfed but despite those nerfs I'm still making a nice amount of gold from them. Currently the shop making me the most amount of gold is the food shop followed by the blacksmith. Due to recent buffs to cooking it's pretty easy to stuff a food shop. If your cooking skill is good enough and you use a good cooking tool, you can cook 3 steaks from 1 corpse. So a food shop and a blacksmith is what I'd recommend for shops starting out. Regardless though, work needs to be put in with the shopkeeper to actually make good gold from them.

Early on in the game you're probably going to be stressed for gold. Perfectly normal. Early on you really might be just better off selling stuff to city vendors for immediate gold that you can spend as needed. Hell your character might even have higher negotiation skill than your shopkeeper starting out if you're a particular character type. It's really up to you to decide when to start working on your shops but you should do it eventually since in the long run they'll make you more more gold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797585

>equipment prices got nerfed

That's a non-issue. Just look at the sales growth of my blacksmith pet that I literally just raised recently from ground zero >>17794462.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797555

So why does the changelogs say:

>Item sale prices cap out at about 160 Negotiation

That apparently seems to be the skill cap for pets even if it seems too low

[Anonymous No.]

I uh, painted over my dryrock in my ranch and I cant figure out how to replace it. Did I fuck myself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797783
Have a link to the changelog by chance? I drew what I said prior from this wiki page:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Shop_(Deed_Building)

It wouldn't be the first time the wiki needs updating so if your changelog is for a very recent version then 160 is the amount then. That's good news for me then. Saya is done and all I have to work on is Yacatect and my other shopkeepers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797812

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_(Elona%2B)/1.60_-_1.69#

It seems to be because of the 1.69 nerf. Instead of getting the original 288 Negotiation for 50% sales price cap, the current 43.2% sales price cap only needs 160 Negotiation for pets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797825

Oops, I mean 36% instead of 43.2%. The additional 7.2% comes from the shop multiplier if the product sold matched the shop type.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797825
Cool. Thanks for the heads up on that.

>>17797797
Could try downloading the game again, opening it up and looking for the map1 file of the download. Open up the downloaded map1 file in Gimp or something, look for the dryrock, and copy and paste the original 48x48 tile into the map you made a mistake on.

[Anonymous No.]

yet another question, why does the game say my inventory is full when it isn't? I don't have any related diseases or mutations

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797812

Scratch what I said here >>17797858 about the dryrock. Guessing you mean you took the register, used design, and accidentally replaced the tile. Did you completely replace all of them? If you still have at least one dryrock tile you can right click it to copy it and then left click to place our copy where you want. If that doesn't work because you completely got rid of it you need to see if you can find that tile as a design option. If it doesn't exist there then you'll have to open up map1 and place said tile into a useable slot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797797
Scratch what I said here >>17797858 (You) about the dryrock. Guessing you mean you took the register, used design, and accidentally replaced the tile. Did you completely replace all of them? If you still have at least one dryrock tile you can right click it to copy it and then left click to place our copy where you want. If that doesn't work because you completely got rid of it you need to see if you can find that tile as a design option. If it doesn't exist there then you'll have to open up map1 and place said tile into a useable slot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797904
There are two restrictions: weight and total number of items.

Exceeding weight limit slows you down (Burdened), but you can do it. Stats will also increase your weight limit.

Maximum number of items is a hard cap. There's no way around it, and you can't pick up items. This is what's happening to you.

Try storing stuff you don't need right away in your home, or in the bandit den in Vernis. Or just use stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797842

>36%

Why exactly are they capping the sales price too much? What's wrong with getting good money from items? They already have a fixed formula to counter re-sales so it's not the issue. Hard work for raising skills, patiently hoarding items of uncertain availability and inconsistent quality should be rewarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798068
Most likely because prior to nerfs people were making billions from selling panties with very little effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798096
Actually that itself did little to stop panty sellers.
t. panty seller in 1.70

That particular change was made because people were buying stuff like potions straight from magic vendors and then reselling them in their store for a profit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798117
>That particular change was made because people were buying stuff like potions straight from magic vendors and then reselling them in their store for a profit.
And what's the problem with that? Literally if you're worked hard to get to a shop with high quality seller what's the issue in buying/selling stuff? It's basic market economics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798190
Ask Ano, not me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798190

The availability is certain and consistent and that's bad game design. Capping the skill's effectiveness at 160 with a remaining void of 1840 levels of uselessness is faaaar worse though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798277
I mean, so is fishing, but you don't see people scrambling for nerfs there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798028
thanks my dude

[Anonymous No.]

newman question: what do I do with monster parts? (bone, heart, skin, eye, etc)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798291

That's because both cooking and fishing skills take ages to train. There's also the Luck skill which is supposedly the hardest stat to raise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798341
Sell them.

[Anonymous No.]

Hew do you use potion racks? I try to use them but I can only take things out (and there's nothing in)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798367
There should be take and put tabs. You press tab to cycle through the two options. When you use the potion rack the default is to take things out so you press tab to put things in the rack.

[Anonymous No.]

Is charisma an important stat for players?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798882
Early on it determines how many pets can be part of your team and it plays a role in the success of certain skills and special actions. Charisma continues to be important later on if you plan on using fascination dance to get music tickets for hero cheese, magic fruit, speed uppers, and other things from Stoke. Aside from having lots of important NPCs show up at party time quests to maximize tickets higher charisma I'm finding leads to higher tickets if using fascination dance.

I've been getting more consistently high ticket rewards from going into party time quests buffed with the gem spell and having Yacatect's Stone Coin equipped. Not sure if there is a cap to the effectiveness of charisma here so I'm wondering if a suit full of charisma enhancing nefia cores could be useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798867
I can only see the take tab. I have no idea why that's the case

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798957
Is this potion rack bought in an older version of Elona? I recall there was a bug with the older version of the racks leading players to need to buy the potion racks in a more current version of the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798969
It might be. I got the rack from a quest and didn't buy it.

[Anonymous No.]

Doesn't look any different but I have a scene tree now to represent game state. I have a list of scenes and draw the one that is currently active. The UI framework is finished except for the buttons and button list box.
Currently working on creating a shader for the ripple effect on the main menu.
>>17798957
Have you ever placed anything in a different potion rack? I can only have potions in one at a time on 1.68.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17797797
buy a new ranch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798341
necromancy, you use monster parts to make zombies with stats dependent on the monster parts used

[Anonymous No.]

Does Charisma/Performer always beat Will/Faith when it comes to performing/preaching assuming equal levels? or do they do about the same? Or does the RNG make it too hard to tell?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799098
No

[Anonymous No.]

so i want to make my home floating in the air. i don't want it to actually move around, but i want that when i'm home. i could see parts of north tyris moving below me, as if im cruising in the sky. how can i do such a thing?

[Anonymous No.]

Does hardening armor not show the +DV? Upgraded boots and claws a few times and I see the +1/+2 and such, but not the actual values changed, so want to make sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799220
have you checked the protection value in the 'c'haracter screen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799231
Forgot about this, thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799218
retexture some tiles to look like a bird's eye view of tyris, then put them in your house. No dice for getting them to move though.

[Anonymous No.]

Lost my salary chest. Will a new one pop up in my house sometime or can a buy a new one somewhere?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799149
In my experience, Performing beats Preaching in terms of payoff, both in gold and tickets. Also, Performing gets you some free bonus items, preaching does not. Furthermore, party quest difficulty scales with your performer skill. If you can do it, you want the difficulty to be higher, because that means higher random NPC levels and therefore more gold. Early on preaching is an okay substitute just to be able to do parties, but if you're serious about getting tickets you gotta learn performing. I've heard that using Fascination Dance, which you can get from a feat, is even better than performing, but never tried it myself yet.

>>17795329
Congrats on the lucky finds. High luck is really nice, but I prefer not relying on Ehekatl for it, mostly because she doesn't give you much besides luck - the dagger's nice, but that doesn't require active worship beyond 4k piety, and the other bonuses and her god ability are kinda meh. But I'm biased because I hate the tedium of mass fishing. Once you complete Pael's mom quest after giving her 5 potions of cure corruption, you get a happy apple which gives +20 luck, and you can get more from little sister quest rewards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799614
Buy a replacement at the embassy.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know how living weapon levelling works as of 1.72? The wiki articles on that topic don't seem to be current. I'm getting apparently random level up choices from any of the 12 sets of options that used to be dependent on month. Is there any way to get a different set on level up if I don't like the current options for the next level?

[Anonymous No.]

Modding Elona+ music files seems to be outdated from the pastebins.

Anyone here run with custom music? I want to test out one of these packs and eventually work on a way to randomize tracks from a large list

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799655
Kai posted this before, from my understanding each month gets a different selection, so you first want to get what you want, like say magic resist, which you can try getting by upgrading the weapon at the blacksmith since that changes it, otherwise you gotta wait.
Then you go to the void, or some area where you can quickly level up, and just get the weapon to level 10, and wen you pick an option, it should change, so you can just go for 10 magic resists in a row.
I could be totally mistaken, but I have no idea how else it would work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799243
can't i edit config or soething? water tiles are animaed, why can't other tiles as well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799625
>I've heard that using Fascination Dance, which you can get from a feat, is even better than performing

I just did that. I'm a lvl 58 pianist with a performing of 86 and 221(115 base) charisma using the gem buff.
I have 5 pets with around 120-130-ish perform and around 90 charisma, I also gave them nice instruments.
Fastination dance is faster and takes less stamina but it has less chance of actually working on my level.

In terms of tickets I get around 500 with ensemble that I can do 2-3 times per party time. and around 100-120 when i only do fascination dance.

It's entirely possible that later on if youre charisma gets better it beats ensemble, but until then stick with ensemble, especially if you have a team of 3 or more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799867
>>17799625

I didn't know fascination dance was an actual performance. I was only using it in party time quests, interspersing it with instrument performancaes because it stops the movement of everything near me, forcing them to listen to my music.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798028
>>17799677
I dunno how you're going to randomize it but I just converted the normal music from midi to mp3, and replaced some of the dungeon music with music from Noa's version of elona, basically the ones that sound like they were made by a chimp with a xylophone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17798918

There's certainly a cap for Charisma for Party Quests and it isn't something as low as 200 Charisma but you sure have already gone way past the requirement even without the gem buff

[Anonymous No.]

>s is weight unit meaning 'stone'
>most stones in the game actualy weight 2s

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799655
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Living_weapon#1.67_and_Later
It's similar to the old system shown in the chart on that page, except instead of just being based on the month, it's based on the month and the weapon's enhancement value. So if you don't like the current selection, you can just +1 the weapon and check again. (Although of course you can only do that 15 times.)

[Anonymous No.]

Is the crystal in the ancient castle on the last floor?

[Anonymous No.]

Can I arse anybody to post up their updated spritesheets for enemies and also for the map itself? I tried building my first house after the cave (cyber house) and it looks weird with the default building materials.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to figure out why my strength is 1, it's original value is 14 and I'm only getting -3 from mutations. It's nothing I'm wearing either, anyone happen to know why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17802098
Certain enemies can drain stats. If that's the cause then visiting a healer in town to restore your stats can help.

[Anonymous No.]

>There will never be a fat bottomed male sprite sheet so you can be a fat ass bunny boy

[Anonymous No.]

another one bites the dust

[Anonymous No.]

>>17802123
Thanks, always brushed that option aside and I forgot it existed, it fixed it.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm getting this error when sleeping on the floor. Using ElonaC with the Beautify pack

[Anonymous No.]

>>17802474
Bug is known about and should be fixed when 1.73 is released.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17802730
Ah good to know, thanks for the info

[Anonymous No.]

>>17802474
Make sure you sleep in a bed until 1.73 is released.

[Anonymous No.]

how the hell do I get through the tower of fire? I use teleport scrolls to get my way to the bottom floor but at that point I'm stumped. I've never seen a "potion of resistance" that the wiki says you need a shitload of, I have fire blankets, and the snowball wetness trick doesn't work

[Anonymous No.]

Yo so, I have this plan, see.Bare with me here. <Katavika> is here, and <Urcaguary> is sitting on the otherside of the town.

I think I can get them to fight each other.

From the looks of her wikia page, she uses Run Wildly at low HP and spams Swarm damaging everything around her indiscriminately. She won't even use Shadow Strike if she's close enough to use Swarm. But from my experiences of AI who use that tactic, Uncontrol swarm has a range of 2 tiles, so they'll use it even if an NPC is between you and it, but the closest NPC takes the hits first.

So I'm gonna lower her health to make her go uncontrol, and sit behind Urcaguary. She's gonna take the swarm hits and aggro her.

I can set my two weaker support pets to spam healing rain which, so long as I don't get insta-gibbed and keep the group close, I'll heal up almost instantly. The starting little girl is probably the only one here who can go toe-to-toe with her and last for awhile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17802931
W-What could possible go wrong?

I mean, I've fought five headed gods with comparable stats. It's really the abilities and resistances I think that make God enemies a pain in the ass most of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17802941
Teleported into her office. <Urcaguary> seems to be taking it well so far

[Anonymous No.]

>>17803001
Well, I was close though.
I might try again later after I recover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17803001
>>17803015
Well, I was close though.

I was literally in the worst possible position, buffs ran out and was right next to her when she started Running Wild.

I might try again later after I recover.

[Anonymous No.]

why isn't the map for the nightmare! quest appears in the page of the quest? im searching everywhere for that map and i cant find it. how do i use this wiki thing? how can i find images here???

[Anonymous No.]

Amazing.

[Anonymous No.]

I played in 1.6x and i see some changes in breeding, and here are some questions i have

should i be breeding qucklings? is there a way to make them breed faster?
what monster should i be breeding? is there a new breed guide?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17802886
i got trough the tower without towels or potions and to be honest, i think i would have gotten trough it even without magatama tough i dont want to try.
here is what you should do- get equipment that raise fire resistance. that is all. actuall strangth doesn't matter- focus on fire resists on your armor, but keep your main killing opption as it is. also, pets doesn't suffer priodical fire damge so their equipment can stay as is. if you really have troubles with the bosses in this tower, hire a high level adventurer to help.
also, magatama and magaqua would be good.

[Anonymous No.]

I may have hundreds of hours in this game but most of it is being a shitter and getting nowhere. So I want to thank you all that are more than a shitter and answer questions, god knows theres not really any other communities, at least that I can find, that are active.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17803480
discord server is also rather alive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17802941

>So I'm gonna lower her health

I'm surprised you're even capable of tanking a single gauge release from Karavika. I eat 6k-7k with 800 PV even without her Run Wildry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17803177
>*Penetration*

[Anonymous No.]

>>17803177
The fuck? Were you just raped by a unicorn? It put you to sleep and stabbed you with its "black unicorn horn". When you woke up it said you were penetrated by "chaotic force". Damn it Elona you scary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17803741
Sort of. If you count "getting two-shotted by the gauge attack from that boss's unique weapon" as rape. Though I'm pretty sure a precious chaos damage proc from the weapon (that's the chaotic forces message) was what got that player slept in the first place. That's why resistances are important - chaos damage can inflict five statuses. Best to get chaos resistance to superb this stage of the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17803186
Their breed power is extremely low, so breeding them is generally not worth it unless you use the three year time skip after act ends. If you're starting out with breeding and want to get good value from your ranch, get something with a high breed power. Breed power depends on race and level - lower is better. You can buy a lame horse from the horse master in Yowyn which can breed extremely quickly. In a week or two, you'll have a decent population so you can start culling a few for meat that gives +constitution. Other good choices are chickens for eggs or putits for +charisma meat, both of those creatures also have great breeding power.

If you have a big brush, you can rub the livestock and increase the quality of their skin and meat when you slaughter them. It's best to visit the ranch regularly and brush all the cattle to make the products more profitable. This also reveals their traits, like more eggs, more meat, more milk and such. Consider replacing your breeder with a livestock that has good trait(s) ('bring out' new breeder -> assign new breeder)

And if you're wondering how horses produce milk and eggs and can reproduce asexually, the answer is always 'The Etherwind did it'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17802128
just make it yourself then

[Anonymous No.]

Huh. And i was expecting a rock to a face.

[Anonymous No.]

The bomb thrower in my party chimps out and starts taking infinity turns in a row before crashing the game. What can I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17804916
It looks like you are trying to use Customized AI.
Would you like some help with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805041
No, I got him from an escort quest. The party got ambushed and one of the assassins is far away so I can't kill it before the bomb thrower gets to take a turn. Am I just fucked?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805069
I don't know what happened then.
this may not be a fix but try it. If you have a command flag you can instruct all your pets/allies to stay in defensive mode, then use directive to put your real pets into onslaught mode again.
The thrower still gets turns but he cant use attacks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805091
I don't have one, but I have some sleeping drugs and put him to sleep, but the game crashes still. What I just remembered is that I hired an adventurer just before I left town to do this quest and he's nowhere to be seen. Is what's causing this? Elona+ 1.69 if that matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805115
try using scrolls of teleportatioon, escape or return. its better to lose the quest than to lose your entire save file.

[Anonymous No.]

Level 30 Snail in a Loss Run here, do cleaners still kill you even when you're already level 30 with a rather considerate amount of health? I got 120

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805133
Tried those, didn't work because they got to take turns. I tried throwing around stuff and spells but no. In the end I used Elosnack to put me back in the world map. After that the hired adventurer came back and the next time we got ambushed everything went okay. I have no idea what did this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805245
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805294
Does that adventurer have something relatively new? a special ability, item, anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805294
well, as long as it worked out...

[Anonymous No.]

How did it happen? I have no cooking skill and no one was breathing fire around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17799677
I use a really nice pack someone made from the Etrian Odyssey series. https://mega.nz/#!e8NGUCZI!A2TnW6rOhhdab2v5OlXpFR221JrChKGV3SDJHQpeCtM

[Anonymous No.]

>>17796861
How do I do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805308
Nothing out of the ordinary as far as I can tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805297
Is it still a 1 hit KO or a couple of hits? Does it get reduced with armor or is the damage fixed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805402
I sometimes get that as well. One thing I would be carrying lots of rotten fruit, then in the next they would be cooked and have the been stacked. Quite a mystery

[Anonymous No.]

>>17803293
>magaqua
I didn't even know what the magaqua did until now, completely makes the dungeon and piece of cake

[Anonymous No.]

Why is the text of this weapon brown?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17806289
It's set as no-drop. Press * to turn it back to normal.

[Anonymous No.]

What's everybody's favorite pet? I'm pretty fond of my young lady, even though she usually misses her potions.
You DID make sprites for your favorite pets, right?

[Anonymous No.]

So I got some hair on my nuts and decided to give Elona another try after fucking up my character with a nuke in the bar. Help me out this time in creating a performer that can at the Vernis bar without getting stoned by Loyter or some asshole at the bar. I want to make it big and become a ballin rich performer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17806873
Get a teleport rod and kick him out of the bar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17806586
fun fact: young lady doesn't have alchemy. hurry up and gene engineer it into her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17806873
1. don't preform near loyter
2. yerles pianist? really? why not juere?
3. train your skill by preforming here and there at various places while keeping potantial up with various errend quests.
4. go to every party time quest you can. make sure you got stamine to preform. check no loyter is around before starting your stage..

[Anonymous No.]

how do i make sense of what the oracle spell says?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807185
Everyone keeps saying in these threads how its a hassle with juere that they don't eat as much as other races and due to that their stat growth is slower. I'm going to miss playing that race though since I didn't have to worry about starving as much but if eating more things is going to help me later I guess I should play a different race is what I thought.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I stop a Titan from splattering me in melee with its earthquake thing? Just, er, shoot it and kite better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807205

Do you seriously not notice anything that changes on your screen whenever you cast Oracle besides your MP bar decreasing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807234

>Titan

Get stats, good PV and most importantly, better damage skills. It's supposed to not be capable of doing anything to you by the time you encounter it unless it's a dungeon boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807252
Unfortunately it _is_ a dungeon boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807252
>>17807256
Whew, did it. The answer was to just outspeed it and never let it have a turn next to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807240
yes, some cordinates ex; lumiest 26,2 ,256

[Anonymous No.]

>Go to party time quest
>Take a look around and don't see Loyter.
>Breath a sigh of relief
>Start to play piano
>"You suck" Loyter throws a rock
>B-but whe-
>420 noscoped and leave a blood stain on the piano

Mother fucker! Does that son of a bitch snipe people with rocks?

[Anonymous No.]

The titan dropped this awesome sword

[Anonymous No.]

Sucks that performers already have a boss character to overcome right from the start of the game that one shots them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807304
Consider training Performer in safer locations, not party time quests, until you get the skill to 30. Then you can have high-Charisma pets carry you with the Ensemble wide skill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807290

It's not supposed to do that. It should only tell you the flavor description of the artifact and specific place of where it spawned but not those coordinates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807315
I think they're actually mis-interpreting the timestamp as coordinates. It's not WHERE the item spawned, it's WHEN. All you get is the map name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807318
then the oracle spells is useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807332
Not totally useless, but not super great.
It gets more useful with the understanding that it only prints out what artifacts have spawned since the last time you cast the spell.
If you had a big pile of them, you could read one every time you entered a map and it'd tell you whether the map had an NPC with an artifact to go hunt down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807348
now i see, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807332

It is if you don't know how to use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17805410
Thanks for this, Elona just got even more comfy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807332
Kill everything with meteor, cast oracle to see if anything good dropped, No? then I don't need to explore the rest of the floor and can just head down stairs.

No anon it's not useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807304
consider casting holy shield net time. and gem.
anyway shit happens, but you shouldn't let yourself be discouraged. even failed, party time are a great soure of income.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807310
if nothing else, it got a nice name. i guess it would sell for nice coin at your shop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807390
It actually had a bunch of decent other attributes but I cropped it there because it was funny in a sad way that a claymore gave -Two Hand.
It did indeed sell for a decent chunk of change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17806873
One: Grab food. Something that can't rot. Grab a ton of it!
Two: make sure you have an alternative source of Plat income to cover training your performer skill's potential.
Have at least one pet with you, the more the better.

First you only perform for yourself, alone in your home. Your goal is a performing level of 10.
Then you can start performing for/with your pets around in the cyber dome. Get perform to 15 but 20 is better.
If this is done you can start going to low level party time quests, but you can perform to random towns people anywhere. Keep in mind guards and higher level NPCs like Loyter will still stone you to death. Personally I grinded my performer in Derphy, the cyber dome and Yowyn.
Keep it up untill your performer skill hits 30.
If that's done you only need to level up once, get a few pets and start using the ensemble special action. it takes twice as much time but the more pets you have with performer, the better it gets.

TL:DR; Get ensemble before you can hope to survive the Vernis bar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807491
jeez man. he is a yerles. he can jut use skill points instead of actual performing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807514
Why would anyone ask for tips if he just uses skill points instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807525
many people save those for emergencies (like that one chest in the dungoen that breaks all your lockpicks) and forget they exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807542
I myself use them for skills that train well only with the bad weather plus manual combo. I just dumped a ton in Control magic and magic capacity.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I lost my Yacatect gem stone. Most likely when I had to hang myself in jail. Can I get it back in some way or is it completely gone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807572
If you identified it, you can get a new one from the Little Sister quest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807572
>>17807581
Oh yeah, if you re-join Yacatect I'm pretty sure you can get a new one that way too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807572
I usually leave it home next to my salary chest.
You can check if it's still in the jail by using a cursed scroll of escape/return.

[Anonymous No.]

My 4-Dimensional Pocket is bugged. It says its full whenever I try putting things in it and when I take out some items and try putting an item again, I still get the same message. What do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807598
Did you use a 4 dimension mirror to put stuff in it?
Is you magic device skill higher than your spell's level?
Use a mirror if your device is better, or use the spell if that's more advanced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807617

My spell is already level 72. I swear it's bugged

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807653
maybe you need to buff yourself before activating it again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807653
>>17807677
>>17807598
>>17807617

I've also encountered this. I think it has to do with encumberance? I was using it in the field too. Was fixed when I went home and unloaded shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807677

Buff what? 4D doesn't have that kind of mechanic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807690
maybe try equiping the staff of insanity and use it again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807692

>staff of insanity

HAHAHA okay I was fooled bigtime. That fixed it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17807332
Besides training your casting, Oracle's good to use at the start of party quests if you want a lot of stardust to get your gear to +15 or make artifact quality rare items. If Shena's panty spawned, kill all nobles, if the Zwiebel spawned, kill all the farmers, etc. You could just meteor the whole party but that's gonna cost you fame for failing the quest and karma if noble kids are around.

[Anonymous No.]

if i use melee weapons as thrown weapons do i get bonus from both the weapon skill and the throwing skill?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17803711
Oh I'm not the one doing most of the tanking at all. It's my pet Shoujo that's taking the damage. I'm just a ranged gunner that occasionally drags aggro so that <Katavika> sticks near <Urcaguary> once she Runs Wild

Anyways, round 2 begins. I know what to look out for now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17808014
No. Melee weapons count as throwing weapon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17808193
It's happening, She aggroed her!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17808410
She made short work of her. Mission Accomplished.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17808421
and now i get these dirty glasses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17808429
All this just so I could see and track my precise stat potentials on demand.

Worth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17808444
at first I felt bad about the collateral death of the Golden Knight that was just chilling next to Urcaguary, but the dead fish she was holding was part of a "I want it" quest so it all worked out in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17808410
>manipulating a cute idol and a cute guard captain to make them try to murder each other
>just to steal her glasses, and steal some dead fish as a bonus
Adventurers were a mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17808620
Some people call them murderhobos for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah I think converting all my gem seeds to unknown seeds wasn't a bad idea.

[Anonymous No.]

New >>17808881