Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1845

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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17649093

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嫁があったらええやけど、嫁には自分自身の想像と現実は全くちゃうわなぁ…
それにもかかわらず嫁が欲しい

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あなたがdjtを出ていくなら

ユー・キャン・ビー・フリー

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh9IMIQmygE

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Succesfully added forvo to awesometts thanks to https://github.com/AwesomeTTS/awesometts-anki-addon/pull/10
But does someone have any idea how we can edit script so that it privileges strawberrybrown divine voice before the others ? https://forvo.com/user/strawberrybrown/

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What does this say:

女だったら何がしたい？

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>>17664225
The [untranslatable] of internal combustion/release/shooting.

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>>17664225
もし自分が女だったら、何がしたいか?

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>>17664225
"In what hole would you take it if you were a girl?"

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>>17664225
What would you want to do if (you/he/it/etc.) was a woman?

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>>17664222
She has a really cute voice. I wish you luck in your endeavor, but I can't help.

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Bit of a long shot, but does anyone use a program called Translation Aggregator? I only use it for JParser because I find that JParser catches a few things that Rikaisama doesn't and vice versa, but today it's just stopped working on me. I haven't been able to find anything on it because, well, it seems nobody else uses it. Does anyone here use it or could recommend another way to use the JParser dictionary file?

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>>17664423
why not just learn japanese and cut out the middleman

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>>17664423
It surely uses EDict which is same default dictionary file used by Rikaisama. Rikaisama's is a few months out of date but you can update it if you look in the config.

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Where do you even find VNs to read now that Sukebei is gone? Most torrents on other sites are for pre-patched games and the torrents on nyaa.si have no seeders.

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>>17664495
The old torrents often do have seeders, just not accurately reported by the site. The "Completed downloads" figure is more helpful. Also, look at the guide resource list.

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>>17664495
use pantsu then you fucking retard

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What could I add to my learning process?
I'm studying 15 Kanji a day with RTK - I find the pace perfect. I also watch TV shows w/o subs - passive learning.
Someone here said the method was shit because I won't actually learn any words, well, it prioritises remembering the kanji so they don't fall out of my memory any time soon. It is true though that this has very little usage in contact with actual Japanese, so please recommend me something.

I thought of just slowly going through Tae Kim's guide or maybe learning most common words. Lastsly, is anyone here using RTK?

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>>17664532
Read until you can't bear looking at those moon runes anymore.

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>>17664532
If you have more time, do RTK faster to get it over with. Doing other things while draging out finishing RTK just leads to burnout.

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生きるのってつらいよなぁ。

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>>17664549
so what's the recommended pace of kanji per day?

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>>17664532
I asked my professor this once. He said that RTK was a big waste of time.

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>>17664557
Why is it a big waste of time? What's a better way to learn kanji in his/her opinion?

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>>17664553
The recommended pace is whatever you can handle without being overwhelmed by reviews.

Set new cards to 0.
Do all your reviews for the day. Check the Anki stats to see how many reviews you get tomorrow.
Decide how many cards you'll add (Custom study--> Increase todays new card limit) depending on how much time you can spare today and tomorrow.
This works for all Anki decks, not just RTK.

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>>17664495
Rutorrent is surprising good for VNs

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Speaking of VNs, anyone got a working かみのゆ? Can't seem to find one, even on baidu or RU

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How to quickly learn an infinite number of words:

1. Learn the numbers 0 to 10 (inclusive).
2. Learn the numbers 100, 1000, 10000, and the rest of the myriads.
3. ???
4. Profit.

You are now ready for JLPT N5.

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>>17664563
by necessity

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>>17664594
That's not "an infinite number of words".

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>>17664550
せやな

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>>17664630
ばかかお前？？

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>>17664594
Actually you only need 0-9 and decimal point.

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>>17664662
Actually just 0,1 and decimal point is enough.

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>>17664557
Of course he would. RTK isn't suited for classrooms, where those teaching are forced to instruct using textbooks like Genki. Not really an ideal situation to take autodidactic advice away from, since it goes against the premise of studying Japanese at uni.

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>>17664662
>you are sitting the JLPT N5
>first question is write the kanji for the number 10
Not so smart, are we now?

>>17664664
Then you would know exactly three words.

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>>17664680
一〇

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>>17664684
しね

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>>17664580
this https://vndb.org/v7712 ?
It's on AB, I could re-up it on sukebei if you want.

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飛び出し注意

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>>17664495
anime-sharing

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it takes an hour and forty minutes for a slow reader that knows basic japanese to reread the first half of sakubi

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>>17665006
Why read that garbage in the first place?

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>>17665183
Can mostly understand Wikipedia, can mostly understand anime with subtitles... cannot understand Twitter. What the fuck are they blabbing about.

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>そこおいといていいぞ
>おいといて
I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be 置く but what form is that

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>>17665208
The fuck, did not mean to link. I've never read Sakubi. Can Sakubi help me, though?

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なんか…今夜は気持ちよくない

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>>17665212
置いておく

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>>17665214
If you can understand those things you said then definitely not. Sakubi is a beginner's guide.

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>>17665212
Once literal, once supplementary, somewhat fused.

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>>17665208
why not ask them what they mean and begin your foray into learning real nihongo

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>>17665183
i review all available resources in order to create a mental map of the japanese learning resource landscape so that i can impartially judge arguments about them from afar

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>>17665223
>>17665225
thanks

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>>17665230
Stop wasting your time trying to figure out how to learn Japanese and just learn it. Read.

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>>17665216
気持ち悪いとでも言うのか

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>>17665236
no you don't understand it's for fun not for figuring out how to learn japanese

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>>17665239
そうだな、最近は悪い気がしたばかりだ

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>>17664720
Aw shit, I was out for Uni. Yeah that's the one, if you're still here and got the time please do.

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>>17665254
そういえば、死ぬほうがいいかもしれん。
誰か殺してくれないかな。よろしく頼む

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>>17665279
I just tried the RuTracker torrent and got a 1MB/sec seed.

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>Can pronounce the ら column pretty well by itself
>Trying to say 体
>It always comes out "kadada"
FUCK you Japanese r

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>気持ち良い isn't pronounced as　きもちいい
What the fuck.

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>>17665222
Noted. Well, I understand the things named 70 to 80%. With Twitter it feels like it's at 50%.

>>17665226
Maybe I just wasn't cut out for real nihongo.

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>>17665302
I just went through my files, apparently I do have it but it's in my "Installation Error" folder. I don't quite remember what the problem was so I'm extracting and installing it again right now.

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>>17665298
そういうほど気持ち悪くないだよ
ただ寂しくて誰かに抱きしめられたくて愛さられたいだ…
けど俺を愛してくれる人はいなくてそもそも俺は愛を値していないと言うタイプな人だ

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For words like 迚も which are usually written in kana, do you learn the Kanji as well or just the kana version?

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>>17665302
Ah, this is what it was.

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>>17665305

良い written with the kanji is usually よい.

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>>17665298
>>17665326
何言ってんのか全くわからない
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7TDpqCCpO4#t=19

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>>17665353
The RuTracker description page explains what to do.

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>>17665373
I'm a retard, thanks a ton anon.

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>>17665372
俺の言うことがわからないなら黙ってくれんか

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>>17665326
いや、わりぃ、俺自分自身 死ぬほうがいいって言おうとした。
特にかわいい女の子に殺されるのがいいなあ

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>>17665230
What a fucking waste of time. Almost as bad as 4chan.

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>>17665422
it makes 4chan all the more fun

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>>17665303
ラ行 is a goddamn pain if you don't want to sound foreign as fuck.

>Too much d.
Well, at least your 便利 is gonna be on point.

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>>17665399
そっか、俺は悪かったよ
>特にかわいい女の子に殺されるのがいいなあ
確かに可愛い女なら殺されても構わなくてやっと死神の暖かい抱きを受け入れるなぁ
ちなみに気のせいだけかもが、お前はもしかして知り合いのフランス人か？その言葉遣いは見たことある気がするから

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誰か日本語の先生呼べ

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>>17665476
あたしじゃだめ？

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>>17665448
>お前はもしかして知り合いのフランス人か？
いや、バーガースタン人なんだけど。俺はあんまこの辺に来ないんだ

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>>17665509
そうかい、やっぱ気のせいだったな
それよりお前はいい人らしい、せめて俺のようよりいい人だ
少し話してくれてありがとうな

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>>17665528
>お前はいい人らしい
そうだったらいいけど、実際はただのゴミクズだ。
でも、サンキュー。お前にいい女が見つかるといいな

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>>17665303
When you hear real japs use r it often sounds very close to d. It's said that the Japanese r is close to the the way native English speakers pronounce the double d in "ladder"

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I have multiple windows up. Why does rikaisama work in one window and not the other? It's been doing this lately and I don't know why.

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>>17665624
じゃあ両方ともゴミクズみたいけどそれは構わない、せめてリア充よりゴミクズなら仲良くできる
>お前にいい女が見つかるといいな
そんなのムリだが、ムリじゃなかったらいいな

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>>17665678
because firefox is changing things internally and rikaisama is slowly breaking

it will stop working entirely in firefox 57

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>>17665686
What are we going to do instead?

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>>17665747
yomichan 4.0 will be on par with rikai sama afaik

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>>17665751
When does that come out?

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>>17665761
1.4.0, sorry

don't know

the only major difference between the current unsigned version of yomichan (1.3.5) and 1.4.0 is that 1.4.0 supposedly lets you make the window autohide or something, like rikai, right now it's like rikai sticky mode

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おにいちゃんはあたしじゃあだめだっていう

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Are there any good sites for simple fun little Japanese made flash games? Like Newgrounds or Kongregate.

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that feel when your pc breaks and you lose a whole day of studying

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>>17666050
Thats why you have a phone or old laptop from 2003

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>>17666050
That feel when your pc breaks and your whole life stops until you get it working again

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>>17665761
>>17665768
Reminder not to use the Yomichan version from the Firefox and Chrome add-on pages:
https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/
>All extension versions must be reviewed before they are publicly accessible on the Firefox Marketplace. As this review process can take several months to complete, the approved version of the extension is often out of date. If you are interested in using the latest and greatest version, please consider using the locally hosted version instead.
>this review process can take several months to complete

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>>17666050
Anki saves card by card as you go along, so unless it's your hard drive that broke you've lost nothing.

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>>17666051
I have neither.

>>17666056
that feel was felt too

>>17666063
I had to do a complete reinstall and as a result lost everything on my install partition. I don't know what the fuck went wrong, but when I woke up this morning my PC was just stuck in an infinite loop during the boot process. No matter how many times I tried or how long I left it, nothing changed. I couldn't find much through Google and what I did find had no effect whatsoever. Fortunately I don't use Anki so nothing was lost in that regard.

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>>17666058
How to check the version in the locally hosted version? Does it already have the 1.4.0 features?

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>>17666097
Just open Yomichan's settings window and it'll tell you at the top (in Firefox anyway, can't help you with Chrome).

Current version is 1.3.5.

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>>17663879
Fuck Tae Kim's Guide, it is shit and poorly made. That is all.

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おにいちゃんおなかすいた

かきぴーたべたい

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>>17666113
t. beginner

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インディアン嘘つかない

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>>17666122
>>17665937
I think I'm gonna give up on Japanese and learn Chinese instead because kana is retarded. Chinese would probably be more useful in the future anyway.

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>>17666197
さよなら

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Is it possible to download the vocab audio from Yomichan?

I remember in Rikaisama's settings there was an option to save audio to a specified folder on playback, but I can't find an option to do this with Yomichan.

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>>17666050
>>17666211
epic /dekinai/ /djt/ post breh!

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>>17666262
>lurk threads 24/7 just to get mad at meme images and never post anything else but the fact that you're mad
wow man

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I just got through reading the first 13 volumes of Yotsuba and I'd like to read Kino no Tabi next. Would I have a lot of difficulty getting through the pages at this point in my Japanese studies? Should I read something a little easier?

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>>17666211
yomichan can already do that, and the audio goes into collection.media folder with all the rest like rikai did
>>17666276
read a few more manga series before jumping into LNs
i recommend 惡の華 and マンガ家さんとアシスタントさんと

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>>17666291
>yomichan can already do that, and the audio goes into collection.media folder with all the rest like rikai did
That's only for when you're making a flashcard of the word, which I don't want to do. I just want to download the audio alone like I could with Rikaisama.

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>>17666276
Yes, read Kino no Tab. There's nothing hard about it and you get better by challenging yourself anyway.

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>>17666276
LNs are going to be tough to jump into pretty much no matter what, just because they have all the narration going on rather than being pure dialogue. Kino isn't particularly difficult. Just don't get stuck trying to understand one sentence for more than a few minutes.

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>>17666298
>I just want to download the audio alone
What the hell for, if its not part of a flashcard?

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>>17666303
体言止め always screws me over, because I believe that I interpret the sentence too literally.

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>>17666342
Shouldn't be a problem if you just read the sentence and don't try to translate it.

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I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly but I finished the basics and reading the grammar guide. I started reading extremely slowly and I'm not sure I understand correctly everytime, I constantly have to refer to dictionaries and taekim. Should I assist myself with translations to see if I understand correctly or is that a bad idea for learning?

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>>17663954
how is photokano as learning material?

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おにいちゃんは

いぬは？

ねこは？

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>>17666386
>Should I assist myself with translations to see if I understand correctly or is that a bad idea for learning?
Bad idea, refer to tae kim and https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/ for individual grammar points

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>>17666113
Use another resource instead of complaining then. This isn't some obscure ancient language where resources are sparse.

I found a combination of Genki and Imabi to be much better than Tae Kim.

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>>17666414
さぁ

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Is it normal for your mature cards to take over your young cards?

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>>17666414
うましか

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Anyone know where I can watch live japanese TV? I can't seem to find any live tv stream

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>>17666594
Why watch live TV? It's just as bad as everywhere else

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>>17666613
i feel it'd be better for me to improve my listening and comprehension skills by watching live tv

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>>17666657
Anime works just as well. There's also shitloads of Japanese TV shows you can watch online or download

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>>17666684
Or japanese youtuber.

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>>17666712
any recommendations for a beginner

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>>17666737
PDRさん

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Would anyone be interested in a guide for successfully running VNs on Linux and MacOS using Wine?

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>>17666147
t. faggot
>>17666431
I'm beyond Tae Kim. A friend wanted me to check it out for him while he goes through university for Japanese. It is terrible. Seriously.
I learned via Genki also and beyond. Some Dictionary of Japanese, etc etc. Tae Kim is the rambling of someone who has forgot how to study language.

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>>17666918
hope you were looking at the grammar guide and not the complete guide

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>>17666912
As someone who is planning to start using Linux one of these days, I would be interested.

>>17666918
>I learned via Genki
How much does the Japan Times pay you to post on here?

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>>17666935
looks like he was not, kek

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>>17666912
curious, but why use wine?
running a vm is simpler

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Even when a word is "usually written using kana only" I still mine the kanji because it's always popping up anyway. It's frustrating to even see the phrase "usually written using kana only." It feels useless to learn the kanji, but I also feel like I'd be slacking off if I didn't.

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>>17667009
Using wine to run it as a regular programme on your desktop is much nicer than having to boot up a VM and manage that installation too.

Performance in a VM is also crap unless you have the right hardware to set up GPU passthrough, not that it really matters for VNs.

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>>17666989
The same could be said about those encouraging the use of DOJG.

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>>17666381
Yeah, what's even the point of vocabulary when we have kanji flashcards so that we can learn to read every character we might encounter?

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>>17667023
thats true but i don't think you can texthook can you?

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>>17663879
Nice socks!

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>>17667064
good thing hjgp obsoletes dojg

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>>17667093
you can, ithvnr doesn't refuse to run under wine

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>>17666594
>download streamlink gui
>filter by language, japanese
bam, japanese live streams slightly more interesting than tv

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>>17667103
ah cool didn't know that

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>>17667064
DOJG is a good product, unlike genki

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What's the best way to identify a Japanese font, if there is any?

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>>17667122
t. Tae Kim

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>>17667194
めいりお

Ｔｈｉｓ　ｗａｙ。

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まだ俺の半分くらいしかない小さな彼女の名前は、早坂　千和（はやさか　ちより）
Would it correct to interpret this as "The name of the little girl, who is half my height, is Hayasaka Chiyori."?
The まだ俺の半分くらいしかない part is throwing me off and I've probably spent more time on this line than I ever should have.

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>>17667234
still only about half my size

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>>17667238
Mind telling me what part specifies her size relative to speaker or is it implied/part of hour Japanese phrases things somehow? I knew I was close based on context but it was driving me crazy I could not find it.

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>>17667241
not sure what you mean?
俺の半分 - half of me (my size/height)
still, only, about - まだ, しかない, くらい

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>>17667247
That's what I thought, "half of me" doesn't imply height immediately so I was hoping for something like 丈 to be in the sentence to clarify. Would it be correct to say this also could be used if say someone was half the weight of someone or half as kind based on context?

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>>17667260
>Would it be correct to say this also could be used if say someone was half the weight of someone or half as kind based on context?
yeah, i think i understand your previous question now. describing her as 小さな implies a size comparison

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>>17667276
Thanks for the help, time to keep forging on.

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なんでいつもお兄ちゃんと呼ばれてるこのやつ

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>>17667310
野郎ってよりましだろう

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Do you guys like translating random pages of an untranslated doujin and posting it, then seeing people freak out and ask for sauce.
It's hilarious.
Pic related.

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>>17667372
>Do you guys like translating
no

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>>17667372
No. If I'm gonna translate something I'll translate it in its entirety.
You should use a font that makes it look more convincing, by the way.

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>>17667372
I was tempted to post screens from a (very short) VN I'm working on translating but the rate I'm working at is pathetic and I'm hoping to actually release it one day and would feel bad about it if it wasn't already like 70% done.

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>>17667383
how do you get in the engine to translate it?
I wanna translate a VN too

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>>17667387
https://tlwiki.org/?title=Kirikiri2_for_Translators for my specific VN since it has a .xp3 file. Different VNs use different engines and have different tools. For mine it is easy to change text for the most part but if I try to change the one voiced character's name the game flips it's shit and crashes.
It does a check like [eval exp="f.voice_src = 'ccv01004'"][hact exp="kag.se[1].play(%[storage:'ccv01004',])"] before every line that should be voiced and if I change the [Name] after it it crashes and I can't find out where in other files I could possibly change the name in kanji to english so I didn't crash. Trying the makes the first block of code just = to the sound file name or true doesn't work and the English documentation is pretty much non-existant.
Overall it doesn't affect the VN that much and when I actually have something worth showing I'll see if someone can figure it out while telling me how a text hooker translates better than me.

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>>17667392
wow thanks

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だめだー

おなかがへってちからがでない

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>>17666409
The screenshot is from Reco Love, but both games are quite easy. Only daily life vocabulary, everyone but the protagonist is voiced, with a backlog and voice replay.
There aren't even any bad ends, so you can't screw things up by picking the wrong option.

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>>17667020
Just be careful when writing, or you'll end up looking like this guy

>>17659958

[Anonymous No.]

おなかがすいたんだよ

たまご１０こ

かってくる

いっしょにたべよ

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>>17667101
Just how many layers of irony are you under?

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>>17667582
I could read that and I've neither used Anki or RTK

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>>17667588
Ok? Who cares?

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>>17667590
Tired of always seeing them mentioned in opposition as if they are the only two choices and define what kind of learner you are

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>>17667596
I'm sorry my meme isn't accurate enough for you. Next time in place of Anki and RTK images I will put essays on the various methods and styles of learning Japanese.

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>>17667610
arigatou my friend

[Anonymous No.]

>light novels are starting to become too easy
>can't read fast enough to enjoy the slower pace of novels

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>>17667621
What are you reading right now?

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>>17667644
Right now? ひきこもりパンデモニウム and ぐるぐるまわるすべり台

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667372
お前って悪魔だぞ。

ソース？

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>>17667621
>Woe is me, I'm good at Japanese.

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>>17667648
Oh this? Sorry, it's not translated~~
:^)

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>>17667653
Who said I was any good?
Its not like light novels are particularly difficult. At least most of them aren't.

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>>17667657
What's the name though? I don't mind if it isn't translated.

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おしえてください

ハロウィンってなにすればいいの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667704
Halloweenじゃないの？

[Anonymous No.]

昔、伝説のニートがいました
今でもネットで彼の影響が見えます
決めゼリフと言う、「働いたら負けかなと思ってる」でした
日本中、世界中も、彼の言葉が普及して同様に思っている方はニートになって働かない生き方に生きました
だが、運命の皮肉のせいで、伝説のニートの話にはバッドエンドがあります
労働の悪い影響から逃げる方法がないので、とある残念の日に彼は仕事にさられました

だが、今でも彼の伝説が行われていてニートの数は世界中に増えています
決して彼の教わりを忘れないで・・・
働いたら負けですから

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667707
駅員の発音でいいのかな

それとも全員の発音？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667704
>ハロウィンってなにすればいいの
trick or die

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667707
>>17667728
もしかして

飼育委員の発音すればいいのかな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjB38irP8EM

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667704
カボチャを彫るとか

人の家をペンキで被せるとか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667750
>How to pronounce English words... by a spic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667758
And if contracting consonants and extending vowels is singing.. he technically sung it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667750
ヘォ委員だね

アンキしたよ

でもなにをしたらいいの？

古事記にはマカダミアナッツ食べながら殴り合いをするって書いてある

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667766
ツッコミをあげない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17666737
Don‘t know about beginner but I‘ve been watching a lot of hikakintv, seikintv and すしらーめん.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667621
>>light novels are starting to become too easy

Oh no, you might actually start having fun reading now. Poor guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667836
or have less fun when you realize that just like everything else 99% of them are garbage drivel

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667850
Yes, Sturgeon's Law applies to japanese fiction as well. Find the 10% that isn't junk and have fun, instead of complaining about the stuff that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17666613
Been watching AT-X pretty chill non stop anime channel and there's no mid-episode ads. Good to have on in the background.

[Anonymous No.]

how long did it take you guys to go through all of RTK?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17666684
>There's also shitloads of Japanese TV shows you can watch online or download
It's depressing how much harder it is to find good quality stuff for non-anime Japanese TV.

So much hard-subbed shit, so many horrible encodes, so many dead torrents. And since the torrents section of d-addicts was lost, the situation has only gotten worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667872
3 months

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667876
Only sort of related, but I agree hardsubs are horrible.
It's especially grating when the subs are both outright wrong AND poorly translated in the first place. I want to watch and listen to figure things out on my own without being "aided" by shitty subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667888
in hindsight was it alright pace or too fast? did you start forgetting and mistaking stuff half way through?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667888
How many characters per day? I think I know like 600 kanji already from core and I'm about to start KLC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667891
>It's especially grating when the subs are both outright wrong AND poorly translated in the first place.
That's another thing worth mentioning. The subs for live action TV are absolutely abysmal. For the most part they seem to be made by people who barely understand English or Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>"I'm starting to have doubts, not of the method but of whether this is what I really want to spend a lot of time on.".... You are wise. "will there be much to gain from understanding the native material rather than having to read it through translations, subs, or English dubs?".... Honestly, no, there will not be. When you think about how many hours it will take to get fluent, as a native speaker of English it is just not worth what you get in return. You are mostly likely around age 20, and trust me, in a few years you will out grow your interest in anime and manga. Then you will be stuck with the choice of spending hours and hours in Japanese each day even though you would really rather be spending time in English, or let go of Japanese and let all of your hard work go to waste.

That's so true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916
why are you here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916
Except its not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916
>You are mostly likely around age 20, and trust me, in a few years you will out grow your interest in anime and manga
ouch, I started at 29, and its only getting more interesting at the same rate western material gets more boring

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916
I'm 25 now, if this kills my desire for anything Japanese my life can only improve. Realistically they'll probably find me dead playing whatever VR visual novels we'll get in the next 40 years or hanging from the ceiling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667940
but visual novel is a dying platform

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916
>in a few years you will out grow your interest in anime and manga
My fucking sides. If anything I've become more of a Japan-obsessed weeaboo after learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667903
>>17667905
I started around 20 per day but sped up somewhere in the middle to get it over with.

I don't think that was too fast or to slow of a pace.
I did RTK years ago and don't regret it.
I'm still reviewing the Anki deck, but I've completely remade it since then by replacing the keywords with vocab I know using those kanji.
I don't think skipping RTK and starting directly with vocab would've really saved me any time in the long run, because it made remembering vocab a lot easier.
Just be aware of what RTK is trying to do and don't expect it to teach you japanese, because that's not what it's for.

[Anonymous No.]

This Firefox nonsense is fucking ruining my entire workflow. Rikaisama isn't working on Waterfox so now I have to use Yomichan on Chrome I guess?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667959
This. I've been only an entry-level dude, but I feel like it's becoming part of my whole being now.

[Anonymous No.]

そうする？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667962
mind to post an example of one of those cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916
Some of us happen to enjoy language learning. If you're not enjoying the process you probably should give up for your own sake or change your study methods to be more fun. Anime/Manga is a benefit, but it's not the only appeal. For example, becoming bilingual causes your brain to physically grow. Also, its impressive to say you taught yourself another language, especially one as complex as Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667971
That's the flipped card, the front is just the bottom half on its own.
The cards are one or more words with that kanji, with the target kanji replaced with hiragana (or 〇 for irregular readings) and some J-J dictionary definitions to remove ambiguity.
I almost never read the definitions, but it's nice to have for some words that have the same readings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667977
but most people here are already bilingual not being of anglo descent, showing off your language skills is rather wack

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667997
Who gives a fuck dude. Learning languages is fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916
Growing out of anime and manga? I tried that from 17 to 22 and all the colors in life were dull. I studied well in uni, though.

[Anonymous No.]

i didnt grow out of anime and manga i just realized that as time goes forward those things suck more but if you go backward in time they improve a lot

[Anonymous No.]

I enjoy learning the language and as a bonus to understand porn, games, and visual novels. I'm still new as shit but I'm looking forward to see how much I've improved around this time next year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668161
This is exactly it.
Would you rather spend your time just watching/reading japanese media translated by some random person or do you want to improve yourself and read that shit in the language it is written in and have a good time on the journey and destination

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to increase the kana font size on here without increasing the english one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916
>"Fag 1 & Fag 2", a vignette.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668392
Something new to add to my English vocabulary. Cheers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667964
Waterfox still working fine for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916
When you run out of good western shit you either gotta go full weeb or become a MCU cuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668509
I will never run out of any shit because I'm not a glorious NEET. That's sad.

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like I'm struggling a bit with my Anki, but I'm not sure if that's just because I've never really seriously studied before. How low should 'percent correct' go before it becomes a warning sign to slow down?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916

The only thing that worries me is Japanese media becoming effectively inaccessible for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668550
With core2k/6k I got 48-52% correct and 70-80% retention 2 weeks in

[Anonymous No.]

ソードアート・オンラインを読んでいます。難しくないことはびっくりです。I think if you already know the story it makes it much easier to understand something.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm so fucking tempted to take the plunge and make a monetary commitment and buy some untranslated impossible to translate game so it'll light the fire under my ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668550
That's normal. Only worry about getting >80% correct on mature cards. Try to make up a unique story for hard words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668575
>>17668619
Alright thanks, that's good to know. Yeah, there are a couple words that I just can't remember for some reason. No matter how many times I see 教会, I can never remember it, and I don't really know why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668625
the inner machinations of the human mind is an enigma

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668625
Yeah don't worry too much about individual words. You'll pick up 教会 from reading eventually. One strategy is to focus on remembering each kanji's reading in hard words rather than the whole word. Only focus on remembering the characters in the word you don't already know. For example, if you know 教 is きょう from 教育 you just have to remember 会 is かい。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668625
Like another anon said, just make up stories for hard words.
Personally I've never had trouble with 教会, but in my mind I see it as a "place where people MEET for religious TEACHINGS."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668680
Yeah, I've got a few tricks down, but like I said, I've never really seriously studied before so when I hit a wall, I'm not sure if it's because that's normal, or if I'm doing something wrong. It's always a huge confidence boost when you see a new word and you know what it means by breaking it down even if you can't always read it. On the other hand, it's incredibly annoying when you know all the individual characters in a word, but it's a different pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668625
>Yeah, there are a couple words that I just can't remember for some reason
I think that's how it is for most people.

[Anonymous No.]

I made an improved version of that "[VectorMaps] Regions and prefectures of Japan" deck on AnkiWeb, if anyone is interested.

Original deck: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2080271721
My version: https://my.mixtape.moe/ffmdvc.apkg

Improvements:
- Re-ordered. Instead of being shown prefectures in alphabetical order, you are shown them in geographical order. You will never be prompted to learn a prefecture if you haven't already learned one next to it. The deck starts with 北海道, then 東北地方, then all the prefectures in 東北地方 starting with 青森県 and ending with 福島県. Rinse and repeat for every other region. This was the main motivation for me to edit this deck since I found it really difficult to learn anything in the original order.

- Audio. Every card now has audio, although for the regions (**地方) sometimes I was only able to find audio of the region name itself instead of **地方 so the card for 東北地方 for instance only has 東北 as its audio. For 山梨県, Rikaisama had no audio for it at all, nor for 山梨 on its own, so I had trawl YouTube looking for a video of someone saying it, which I fortunately managed to find ( https://youtu.be/21ZUtbsoX28 ).

- Improved tags. Every prefecture is tagged according to its region. Also removed the "region" tag for 沖縄県 since as far as I can tell 沖縄 is just part of the 九州 region and not a region in itself (I also edited the 九州地方 map image to reflect this).

- Edited the 関西地方 card to also have 近畿地方 on it, since the region is known by both names (and I think 近畿 is supposed to be the more official one).

- Edited the styling of the cards a bit because it was kind of fucked up on my PC. If my new styling is fucked up for you, feel free to download the original deck and copy the styling from that (make sure you don't delete the audio bit from my setup though).

- Added furigana instead of having kanji and kana side by side as in the original deck. (requires "Japanese Support" add-on from AnkiWeb to display - https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/3918629684 )

- Changed font to TakaoPGothic - https://launchpad.net/takao-fonts

- Added 54 (I think) new cards with the prefecture/region names in kanji on the front and in kana on the back to test your ability to actually read the names of the prefectures and regions rather than just identify them on a map/identify their flags as in the original deck.

I think that's all the changes. Let me know if you notice any errors or problems and I'll fix them if I can. Once this thread is dead though, I won't be doing any further maintenance or whatever on this deck so any future errors discovered will have to be corrected by whoever finds them.

If someone wants to add this to AnkiWeb or the CoR or whatever, then be my guest (if you upload it to AnkiWeb though, please include the above explanation of the changes, or an explanation in your own words if you prefer, so that people know what is different).

[Anonymous No.]

I know I this isn't /g/ so I won't belabor this, but is this a common issue with trying to set up VNs for the first time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668768
Looks like a problem with your optical media emulator rather than the VN installer

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668775
I'm using WinCDEmu which is pretty highly recommended for .mdf filetypes the game runs. Any suggestion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668696
That's very nearly what the original Greek "ecclesia" meant, so you're good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668795
How are you mounting it? Try mounting the other file in the folder instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668547
As bad as running out of good shit is, working'll kill ya. Keep your wits about you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668824
I'm still in university. I'll try to get some fun job or else I'll just patreon-whore somehow. Never actually "worked" in my life so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668763
Looks awesome! I'm downloading it since I keep seeing names of places I don't know in the news.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668763
This is great! I've been wanting to do something like this, but I'm glad I won't have to and I can just use this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668763
thank you anon

[Anonymous No.]

Just started using MorphMan v4(Kaegi's fork) for my japanese Anki decks. It's really good, by I don't know how to turn on highlighting the morphemes I know/don't know. I've already tried {{morphHighlight:Expression}} and the CSS with [#type=seen] etc. but it seems not to work.

[Anonymous No.]

What do the runes between 87.5 cm and 99 cm mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669214
Dick size

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, is it wise to use recognition(front - keyword, back - kanji) cards with Anki&RTK?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669214
胸囲　learn yo kanji boi

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669262
he asked what they mean not what they are and it was already answered: dick size

[Anonymous No.]

Bought a set of used manga for the first time on Mandarake. They pretty much look and feel like brand new ones, so I'm satisfied. I recommend it to those of you who like studying with physical material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667977
>For example, becoming bilingual causes your brain to physically grow.
I already know three languages and I am currently learning a fourth one.
>pic related?
It's been nearly one year since I've passed the N1 and this is the period where I am enjoying Japanese content the most.
Switching between languages and cultures during a day is also extremely satisfying

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667561
zero

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668763
Nice work. I have a couple of place names in my vocab deck but this looks much better.

[Anonymous No.]

How can I watch Japanese baseball over the internet?

I don't even like sports but I'm curious to watch a little since it's such a big thing over there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669340
watch it on one of those bloody telly restream services innit m8

[Anonymous No.]

Can ねん be used by itself as "year" or only as a suffix?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669589
sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669589
can't remember ever seeing it used like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669589

https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/je/58595/meaning/m0u/%E3%81%AD%E3%82%93/

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking fuck, this shit is slowly killing my soul, yet I just can't stop adding new cards.
Send help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669770
>134 minutes
You need to scale back your Anki use. This time would be better spent reading and from the sounds of it Anki is putting you on the verge of burnout (as it would anyone trying to maintain that every day). Better to move forward slowly than to go backwards (give up).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669770
41000 cards? You should be fluent by now, why do you still use Anki?

[Anonymous No.]

I have 100% mature accuracy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669806
>i cheat
good jab

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667970
I saved up my force and bought it, no regrets

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669791
2/3 of them I haven't touched. They came with some dictionary deck that I ended up not finding very useful and didn't really do anything with.

>>17669783
I don't disagree, and I'm sort of trying to, but the review counts are still stubbornly staying high.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669829
Bought it how? They won't sell it to anyone who doesn't live in Japan. I had to pirate

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669858
I'm talking about the ロリコン認定証.
I had to pirate it from two different sources, it was a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669862
Oh I see, derp.

Did that plugin even do anything though? I bought it too but I didn't notice any difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669870
It unlocks an H scene with noi that i believe was in rain's route somewhere. So I think you have to go back for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669858
those laws exist for a reason they are just trying to protect you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669879
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

more free codes for iphone japanese app. critique and reviews welcome.

https://pastebin.com/66Y8LhLF

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668763
Thanks

Also, Japan has a region called 中国地方? wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669813

Just custom settings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668504
It's strange. Waterfox has been freezing on startup, too. It just seems to be buggy on my system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667964
Why would you have to use Yomichan on Chrome? It works on Firefox and should work on Waterfox too.

I don't get why Rikai would be broken for you on Waterfox though. I thought Waterfox was based on the stable builds of Firefox, and Rikai still works fine on those, so if it's broken on Waterfox I can only think that the Waterfox devs themselves have done something to break it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669983 again.
By the way, why are you even using Waterfox?

Its original purpose was to be a 64bit version of Firefox at a time when there wasn't one, and in benchmarks it performs worse than even the 32bit version of Firefox, so I can't see what point there is in using it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669991

Political reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669991
Would you rather be Firefox or Waterfox

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669997
Which are?

[Anonymous No.]

in before 50+ posts of politically driven autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670004

Spying and censorship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670025
Does Waterfox even do anything on that front? I thought that was more the territory of Icecat and Iceweasel.

I doubt Waterfox does anything that you can't do just by quickly disabling a few things in about:config.

[Anonymous No.]

>これでここに

does the で particle mean that he's uncertain about this certain posistion?

(he's taking measurements for curtains)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670115
According to jisho:

これで = here; with this.
ここに = individually; separately

The sentence means "with this separately"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670115
Is he using something to measure the curtains?

これで - "with this"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670115
>これで
With this
>ここにつけるカーテンの幅を
the width of the curtains that will be affixed here
>計るんだ
it's that I'm going to measure

I'm going to use this to measure how wide the curtains that will go here need to be.

Next time post context so I don't have to look it up myself. I don't know why it's so hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670123
>>17670127
that makes alot more, sense thanks.

the vocab list doesn't list them as that, but i should have already known not the trust the vocab list by now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670136
You should know not to trust 4chan posts actually. The "separately" post is wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

/djt/ can you help me install mashimaro please? I can't get past the second disk check

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670189
>no screenshots
>no error messages
>no specific information at all
How do you expect anyone to help you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670135
Ah, of course it would be fucking yotsuba. Still kind of impressed that you managed to guess it though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670192
I don't get any error message and there is nothing to screenshot. The first disk check succeeds, I see the Marmalade logo, and then the game crashes at the second disk check. No error message.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670220
So the error is during installation?

Do you have physical disks or are you working off .ISO (or similar) files? If you're using .ISOs, what are you using to mount them? Have you tried mounting both .ISOs at the same time?

Also, obvious stuff: Have you set your computer to Japanese locale? Have you changed your date, etc. format to Japanese?

Another thing to consider: There may be a problem with the .ISO files you're using. Try downloading a girlcelly or 2D.G.F. upload, assuming one is available. Those are usually reliable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669991
What should I be using then? Rikaisama is broken on regular Firefox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670292
Never mind that post, I'm retarded.

Also forgot to add that Perapera Chinese is also broken. I don't want to have to switch in between browsers for different addons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670292
>What should I be using then? Rikaisama is broken on regular Firefox.
latest versions of yomichan are not shit, and let you actually do 'the thing' rikai did
that is, just put the god damm definition on the card it makes without useless crap, and add the audio
you might lose out on a few edge features, saving audio only or word frequency but the core usage is fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670250
I forget if I grabbed 2DGF or girlcelly, but it was one of those two. The game installs just fine, it's when I actually try to run it and checks for a disc that it fails. Yes I am in Japanese locale, etc. My rip only has one ISO, am I missing something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670320
Looks like I'm permanently switching to Chrome, then :/

Firefox really shot themselves in the foot with this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670325
>My rip only has one ISO, am I missing something?
If the game is expecting there to be a second disk, then maybe, but if you downloaded from girlcelly or 2D.G.F. then I would expect the torrent to be complete, so I'm not sure.

When you said "second disk check" before, I assumed you meant a check for a second disk, since it doesn't make sense to me that it would check for the same disk twice.

I assume you've tried running the game with the one disk that you do have mounted?

Have you tried looking for a NoCD patch? That might solve your problems. Maybe your download even came with one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670351
There is no patch that I've found, as far as I can tell it's checking the same disk again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670345
Bye then, im using yomichan on FF still. Enjoy the botnet

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670345
Yomichan is available for Firefox. You don't need to switch to Chrome.

If you're going to use Chrome, then at least use Chromium.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670355
Perapera Chinese isn't working anymore and the two alternatives are like Rikaikun on Chrome, awful. I don't want to constantly switch between browsers to use non-shit addons.

>>17670356
It seems to work better on Chrome. I'll take a look at Chromium.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670355
>enjoy the botnet

I live in China now so I don't really give a shit what Google knows about me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670354
>as far as I can tell it's checking the same disk again.
Weird. Maybe your install is bugged.

All I can think is to try re-installing. If that fails, try a different upload. If that fails, check you aren't missing some requirement like Visual C++ or something. If that fails, maybe your version of Windows is too old?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670375 again
Anyhow, I'm leaving this thread now and might not be back for some hours. I'm pretty stumped though so I doubt I could help you any further in any case.

Good luck finding a solution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669770
>>17669841
9k mature? nigga you don't need anki

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think I'm interpreting 「大して面白い舞台を作った試しもないのに」 here right. As well as what とりあえず is functioning in the previous sentence.
I'm understanding the previous as "Since the person's work was belittled by the members of drama club, they decided to start from the beginning", but the following sentence doesn't make sense with it. Any help?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670414
9k is not that much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670414
>nigga you don't need anki
Anki is bare-bones enough to the point where you can call it a concept rather than software desu. So yeah, even after 9k you need repetition to remember, with or without "spaced" or "software" part. Also, it's arguable that you need it more once you get past 9k because you start seeing more words that are going to show up less frequently and you can't commit to memory as easily by seeing them often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670417
[It seemed pathetic] because the drama club members started out by belittling other people's work. ...even though they'd never created much of an interesting play themselves.

試しがない is idiomatic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670417
What game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670463
Thank you. I thought ところから meant cause or reason from how I've usually seen it. とりあえず here sort of means "At the time/currently", or something like "just" right?
>>17670469
White Album. https://vndb.org/v21741

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670479
とりあえず means:
>１ ほかのことはさしおいて、まず第一に。「取り敢えず母に合格を知らせる」「取り敢えずお礼まで」

They criticized before doing anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670435
old and busted
new hotness: http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670504
where do the cation games rank in this list?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670589
rip the script and find out
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Requests

[Anonymous No.]

>本当は明日でも良かったんだけど
When 明日でもいい is used in the past tense, is it just saying that "tomorrow is fine (but it probably isn't anymore)"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670744
it's probably more like "tomorrow would have been better"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670749
thanks, makes more sense. I usually think of past tense in context here as retrospective （すればよかった）, but when it's used in terms of future events it confuses me a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>Try Anki
>Don't really dig the software
>Find out Duolingo released japanese decks on some online site called tinycards.duolingo.com
>Simple and nice
These guys are gonna take over the entire market if they keep it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670803
Commercial spam.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670803
Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670803
>take over the entire market if they keep it up.
oh yeah that insanely lucrative neet market who pirate almost everything
not even /biz/ is this dim

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670841
>Only neet losers learn other languages
They do more than Jap.
>>17670807
>>17670819
Fags. Not everyone is out to get you, you know.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know if the "Mastodon" social network is popular in Japan?

I just read about it and when I went to the site there is a live feed of the most recent posts and it's just non-stop Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671140
Yes.

Why? Because apparently Japan cares about new sorts of social platforms. Maybe they're looking for the next 2ch.

Western outlets assume it's because of loli censorship on western sites (twitter) but it's not. It's more like twitter is very badly marketed in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it normal for a ~2 hour VN to have this many ellipses? It seems massively excessive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671168
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671170
Damn, I didn't realize they abused them this much.

[Anonymous No.]

それとも、この高い体温で歯には暑く感じるのだろうか……？
Is there a idiom involving 歯 I'm not understanding? As far as I know it only means tooth and seems out of place when talking about someone else's body temperature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670771
The Japanese past is also technically the historical perfect tense (hence why た can be replaced with ている in some attributive contexts), and with them having no subjunctive to speak of, you can do this mental progression of "would have been" -> "had been" (removing the subjunctive "would") -> Japanese past that combines the perfect aspect with it, in order to make sense of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>do a bunch of anki
>read grammar guides
>still cant read real japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17669963
The existence of that region was the reason Japan refused to adopt the name 中国 for China even as the Republican Chinese government did. The Japanese used to call China 支那 pretty much until they lost WW2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671359
>don't do X
>continue to be unable to do X

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671385
How can I read if I can't read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671388
by picking something you can read even if you can't read

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671390
Like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671388
You should be reading and creating sentences on your own through your grammar lessons so if you are doing those properly you can read something. This is only my third day really studying combined with too many years of anime experience and I can brute force my way to understanding most sentences by looking up every kanji in the line referencing particles and breaking it down with a little help from text to speech to draw on my audio knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671395
>creating sentences on your own
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671388
Reading is a component of lesser parts: Knowing words and knowing grammar*, so to speak. If you encounter something you can't read, you can learn to read it by looking up the vocabulary within the text as well as the grammar. Attempting to read things even when you can't read is ultimately beneficial because in the process you will learn new words and grammar, as well as become more comfortable with words and grammar you already know. You will never be able to read things without attempting and failing to read things. Do you think you will study 30,000 words in anki, then read your first book perfectly? I'm sorry, but that's not going to happen.

*and cultural context and other minor things, words and grammar are good enough for this non-exhaustive argument

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671396
They're not difficult sentences but they are still sentences. If I got upset I couldn't write a LN on day 3 and when I'm still on the asking people how their day is I should have stopped day 1.

[Anonymous No.]

ヒガンバナがまんかいだよ

ヒガンバナがおわると

イチョウとモミジがはじまるよ

サクラのつぎにいいきせつだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671393
something that's closely related to things you understand very well, your daily life, ideas you agree with, aesthetics you identify with, things where you don't have to understand the linguistic content of the messages with which the story is told in order to understand the events of the story

if you can pick out the three words from each dialogue box in a manga necessary to be able to fill in the blanks to understand what the characters are saying, and you read out the words in the sentence so your brain can associate them with the situation you are experiencing vicariously through the joy of reading, you are doing everything necessary for language acquisition to take place

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671398
I get that, it's more that I find it near impossible to recognize where words begin and end when they're all conjugated and japanese doesnt have spaces.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671403
I think you must be extremely, extremely early in your studies if you find it difficult to recognize where words begin and end, in which case don't worry about not being able to read things. Also, if you're reading baby works for babies like Yotsuba, the childish form of speaking utilized actually makes it harder to read than normal text for beginners so should opt for studying material with more narrative text like light novels, visual novels, plain novels, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

殺してくれ

[Anonymous No.]

anyone know if there's a specific reason behind emonzaemon from katanagatari saying so much stuff like： 不笑　面白からず and names his one move 生かさず殺さず? i think he says a few other ones that end in the ず negative type way, but don't know if there's any meaning behind it, or if it's supposed to point out what kind of character he is or something. and yes i'm aware that last one wasn't made up and is an old phrase

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671439
笑止

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671408
How exactly is something more narrative based easier?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671400
さくらんぼなんて食べてみたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671455
さんらんぼは

あめにあたると

みわれするから

そだてにくいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671453
Manga is full-on speech. Speech is more loose and casual and sloppy than narrative text on average. Narrative text may have a larger vocabulary pool, so to speak, but it will be more simply constructed the majority of the time. It is much easier to deconstruct narrative sentences for learners, even if the ideas expressed may be more complex. Yotsuba speaking a long sentence in only hiragana with many words slurred is harder to pick apart for a beginner than an equivalently long narrative sentence with kanji and no slurring.

Not to mention, with texthooked VNs and ebooks it's extremely easy to look up words in dictionaries, so the increased vocab pool doesn't really have much of an impact.

[Anonymous No.]

さくらんぼって聞くと
やっぱりこれを思い浮かべるなぁ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy_xbXIJ898

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671473
This. Narration also tends to have a lot more redundancy and interconnectedness, which allows you to constantly check and adjust your interpretation more easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671477
うわきは

つつしまないと

りこんになるとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671494
>>17671473
So basically I should go try and read hanahira?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671512
hanahira has zero narration
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats

read something with a high % under "VN 5k
sans 50" and a high number under "modified
Hayashi 2", you can click columns to sort them

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671512
Yeah, bad example, since Hanahira is one of the few VNs with literally no narration.
You can pick pretty much any VN and not worry too much, though. As long as you pick a game with a school setting and an obvious romance focus, it will be something you can learn from without worrying too much about missing plot threads or anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671517
I would say "everyday setting" instead of "school setting"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671506
でてけ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671514
I don't know what those columns mean, but taking your advice flyable heart would be good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671522
yes, flyable heart is a typical recommendation for a first vn

nanatsuiro drops is very similar and made by the same people, but requires a hook code to hook properly:

/HBN-C*0@3E3C1:nana.exe

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671514
Dies Irae has high stats on those, but isn't that one really hard to read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671529
it's on the bottom of the list for those, dude, are you sure you're not sorting it backwards

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671520
99% of VNs are school settings so it's really the same difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671531
86.79% VN5K sounds pretty high

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671534
http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2016/08/25/what-80-comprehension-feels-like

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671534
coverage % scales something like this:

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=y+%3D+1-(e^-x),+x>0

so 86% is actually closer to 76% than to 96% in terms of the lexical complexity of the script, you need to learn fewer words to go from 75% to 85% than you need to learn to go from 85% to 95%

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671538
you could also plug these into google:

ln(1-(0.86)) - ln(1-(0.96))

ln(1-(0.76)) - ln(1-(0.86))

86% vs 76% is about half as big of a deal as 96% vs 86%

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671521
もういっかいって

うわきのことでしょ？

しょうわのおんなはまたがゆるい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671522
>flyable heart would be good?
its worth the size ass native res

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671548
small ass*

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671537
>>17671538
I see, makes sense when you think about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671548
>>17671551
If you're gonna get into VNs you best learn to love low resolutions as a ton of kamige are stuck in them forever.

[Anonymous No.]

so is the vn 5k sans 50 the core 5k minus 50 words or something? Not that anon but I wanna know what those columns mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671561
just a little bit above ant size will do me, in the future ill have the VM setup to have the game fullscreen but ill size the VM window itself to be slightly larger
if that works ill be happy

[Anonymous No.]

>>17663879
Dumbass bitch gonna blow her legs off

[Anonymous No.]

Is it normal to lose motivation if you can't think of the pronunciation and meaning of a kanji the third time around on Anki

Also what to do after Anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671575
Those are toy guns
>>17671576
Motivation is for the weak. Radical freedom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671576
>Also what to do after Anki
Ankidrones unironically have this question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671579
>Those are toy guns
Yeah sorry I missed to giant arrow saying TOY GUN pointing at it

Oh wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671567
>Scroll down to the bottom of the page for explanations of what the columns mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671580
What is it with you people and raging war against people with the same goal

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671584
I mean, gee, I don't know. Read Japanese? No, that can't be it...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671582
Gun ownership is tightly restricted in Japan to the point that it's more accurate to assume guns are toys than real, particular when they appear in the room of an innocuous high school girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671575
おかんのへやこんなかんじ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671594
Why do I keep coming to a place that has people who assume real-looking guns are fake at first just to win an argument

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671599
You're consuming media meant for people who are literally going to assume that a gun is fake if the setting is realistic and the context has nothing to do with crime, law enforcement, or hunting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671603
Here's a (You) for the road, don't expect another reply from me either

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671605
Cool story dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671599
I'm not trying to win an argument, just stating my opinion. I couldn't care less if you agree with me or not.

[Anonymous No.]

おなかがすいて

よるしかねれない

おふろー

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671514
Is there anyway to get an anki deck of the VN 5k?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671642
there's a frequency list on the wiki but the entries don't have associated definitions, definitely enough grammatical information to manually get them out of edict/jmdict though

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else studying other foreign languages too?

Mandarin and Arabic here.

[Anonymous No.]

おかんが

このじきに

てんいんにのせられて

コンビニおでんかってきてる

ありえん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671698
おでんはいくらくらいですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671705
おかんはプライスレス

[Anonymous No.]

How do you deal with getting bombarded with card reviews in anki that has a similar look? 遠い 違い 遅い for example? They're easy when they're mixed with other cards but when too many of them pop up in a review it feels hopeless

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671780
Those are all different and you're hastily guessing them instead of looking at where they differ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671705
>>17671710
おでんね

たかい具はたかいくて

やすい具はやすい

というわけではないのがおでん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671780
Time

Try writing the ones that look similar so you can learn how to tell them apart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671780
RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670189
Any luck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17670841
The app is free, and it's actually really freaking good. Not perfect by any means, but very intelligently set up so new grammar is introduced with concepts so you learn vocabulary and how to form more complex sentences at the same time. It's not one stop shopping for learning Japanese because they don't explain grammar rules, but knowing how you would say something goes a long way to digesting a grammar guide versus reading grammar rules first and then not really getting it because you don't know a lot of sentences that involve negative past tense.

The biggest thing is that you produce the language and it tells you what you got right and wrong, which is much, much better than learning from a guide or trying to figure things out but not being quite sure you got it right.

[Anonymous No.]

>Stopped doing Anki daily because I had resumed taking classes
>Move to Japan for graduate school and realize my kanji knowledge isn't strong enough, and vocabulary is limited
>Decide to resume studying every night

oops

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672017
How is graduate school in Japan? I've considered it myself but have no idea what its like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672028
I couldn't tell you, semester doesn't start until the 1st of October. I only got here a week and a half ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672017
Why would you stop doing Anki though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671688
Splitting your time between those three is just going to ensure you learn none of them, unless you have YouTube-polyglot tier standards for "speaking" a language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671688
Kind of want to take French as an elective.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to learn 100 words per day? Or at that point is it just inefficient?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672042
Because I am a lazy idiot
When I use Anki I also practice writing - in the end, a normal 15 minute Anki session usually takes over an hour, but, I think the writing practice is important and it certainly aids my retention. But with classes resuming I found myself unable to set aside time for both lots of Japanese homework and Anki every night.

So now I have a LOT of writing to do!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672119
I guess it's possible if you spent all your time just brute-forcing vocab. But who the hell wants to live like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672119
tell you what go learn 100 words in a day and then tell me about them all

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671688
None. I took my time to become fluent and literate in German before starting Japanese. Japanese will probably be my final foreign language. The whole process of acquisition is a bother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672119
We regularly get beginners who brag about doing 100 new cards a day and then show up a few months later crying about how they burnt out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672126
Well I'm a filthy NEET who wants to start translating. I want to get through Core 6K as fast as possible. I've been going through it for 2 weeks suspending any words I already know. I suspended 3k so far.

Basically I'm self-taught and picked up most stuff from reading, so there's a huge gap in my knowledge and that's why I'm torturing myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671688
Learning French and Biblical Hebrew. Already in the "read more" phase with all of them, and studying them at Uni. I'll be presenting at a conference in French this year, so I should be focusing on that, but I don't want to put Japanese on the back burner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672119
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672135
For that I would focus on grammar rather than vocab. You can always look up words you don't understand, but if you have never studied the grammar pattern in a sentence, it is much easier to translate it incorrectly without even knowing it. And by reading, you increase your reading speed and acquire vocab anyway, which would make your work faster. If you just study vocab I think you'll have a hard time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672135
sorry but cramming flash cards aint gonna get you to the kagayaki mirai

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672123
Why would you take japanese classes though? The ones at my university are super slow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672147
I found them helpful for enforcing grammar concepts. I think grammatically I do just fine, I feel mostly limited in daily life by my lack of vocabulary, which is why I'm picking up core 6k again.

Also, I needed more credits, and at my university, each Japanese class is 5 credits. Easy 4.0, too. Big GPA booster. I still missed graduating with honors by 0.1, which feels bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672142
That is good advice, but I'm actually fine with grammar with how much I read. It's looking up vocab that takes the most time, if I have to look up 5 words that I don't really truly understand the nuances of it will slow me down that much more when I'm translating.

>>17672134
I guess it helps I know enough kanji, I just don't know all the compounds. If I was a beginner and I tried to learn 100 new words on top of kanji, I'd probably shoot myself.

>>17672146
What will get me to the kagayaki mirai?

By the way, does anyone have any experience with Gengo?

[Anonymous No.]

Writing really helps with memorizing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672017
>3922 to go
>All the words that I used to know well I don't know so well anymore - but I still won't see them for months because I waited so long

Double oops

[Anonymous No.]

I'm currently reading Flyable Heart, which is supposed to be one of the easiest VNs, and every three sentences there's atleast a word I havent seen on the core deck yet. Is this normal or does that mean I should do more core before trying to read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672251
just read

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672251
Do you want to finish Core and then read and then learn the language?
Or do you want to read and learn language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672251
Its going to be like that until your way into intermediate, and that's only the easy stuff.
Welcome to language learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672251
No matter how many shitty, pre-made vocab decks you do, you will still have to look up a lot of words when reading.

The solution isn't to do more shitty vocab decks. The solution is to read more and start actually learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

我慢汁

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672322
>holding back juice

[Anonymous No.]

I just fucking ran out of anime. I've been rewatching shit for the past couple months and I just realized that I've already seen all the anime worth watching. I am now an anime pro.

But how the hell do I get listening comprehension now? The only videos with a lot of talking in them on nip youtube are a bunch of stupid gaming videos and the news. What you do guys do? How do I become an adult and watch adult things now that I'm unintentionally done with anime and can only watch whatever four airing shows there are that aren't trash?

Please don't tell me you guys's practice consists of fapping to eroge for 12-year-olds and calling it a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672031
Wait, are you doing a PhD or masters? I've always been really curious about Japanese school. Do you actually have to be good at Japanese to go to one, or is it some English thing? Can you just be good at reading and listening and learn to talk and write once you get there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672343
Watch Japanese Power Rangers

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672343
Nice meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672349
You know, I've been avoiding Kamen Rider because I usually only like stuff with girls that has /u/-bait, but at this point I'm kind of out of options so I just might give it a try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672359
Watch Kamen Rider W, it has /y/-bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672343
>I've been rewatching shit for the past couple months
Raw, I hope. Otherwise you've been wasting your time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672378
I haven't watched a single subbed anime in over 1.5 years. I will literally drop certain anime if I don't understand it well enough. Honki desu.
>>17672370
Fascinating, I've never seen real /y/-bait before, I gotta see if it interests me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672343
if you think theres even 4 decent animes in any season from the last 5 years then i really have to question whether or not youre truly a anime pro

ill spot you a nice rec tho: とんでぶーりん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672409
>とんでぶーりん

I just looked that up and it actually looks pretty good. I will eagerly anticipate watching it as it downloads at 2.57 * 10^(-12) KB/s.

And I agree though, the only decent anime right now are Precure, Pripara and Aho Girl. New Game!! is fucking shit but I have to watch it because I love Nene. MiA is fun but kind of stupid. And symphogear would be fun if I could understand it but I know jack shit about military/political vocab so I'm going on a streak of only adding vocab from news articles to anki in an attempt to be able to understand more "serious" things like Symphogear. This last season was trash though, as you said, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672427
Have you watched Guru Guru?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672471
I watched it and I felt like it was logically and objectively very funny but I wasn't laughing at all for some reason and just got bored and dropped it. It was, by all objective metrics, a funny show though, so I won't say it's bad or anything. I just didn't like it even though I feel like I should have liked it.

I do want to put my dick in Kukuri's voice though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672386
>. I will literally drop certain anime if I don't understand it well enough.
>claims to have seen all the good anime, when in actual fact he has only seen the baby tier shows

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672554
>likes index
>thinks he knows anything about good anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672343
>anime pro
>only watches 4 shows per season
Anime amature

[Anonymous No.]

>>17663879
I had been studying for a couple months but now it's been another 2 or 3 since I've opened anki
Is it more worth it to just start from the beginning instead of trying to salvage something I haven't looked at in months?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17671863
none

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672695
Sucks.

Maybe if you post a list of everything you've tried so far someone smarter than me will notice and figure out what's wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672694
How many reviews do you have due?

[Anonymous No.]

>王様だれだ?
I thought you couldn't use だ in a question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672772
Technically you can't, but in casual speech it's used all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672778
>in casual speech it's used all the time
Does it change the tone of the question like it does in affirmative sentences?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672781
It sounds more rough and masculine

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672772
At least half of what beginner guides tell you is complete bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672772
You can, just not with か.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672938
i checked and neither tae kim nor sakubi get this wrong so i'm not sure where they went wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>17663879
うちに！　しなよって
>you can stay with us.

what is the しなよって derived from?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673146
/pol/ called, they want their shitty meme back

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673146
good meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673146
Who the fuck wants to sing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673136
maybe する　with the 〇〇にする meaning?
i.e. "I'm telling to to choose to stay with us!"

[Anonymous No.]

Well, is he right?

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2014/06/23/you-cant-learn-kanji/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673199
haven't read it but based on

>One of my pet peeves is when somebody says the phrase “learn Kanji” such as, “I learned 100 Kanji in one week!” Kanji has way too many parts to simply say that you “learned” it. Saying you learned Kanji is like saying “I learned computer!” or “I learned a car!” What does that even mean? Let’s break down the concrete things you can learn with Kanji.

i can only say, yes, he's right

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673136
It's probably うちにしなさいよ　って

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673199
japanese learner of 3 years here. i wasted about a whole year with useless bullshit like learning kang xi radicals or memeing readings.

i must say all tae kim says is true. he is the führer of moonspeak

[Anonymous No.]

>夢も希望も失った現代社会のこどもたちです。
How do you know know whether 失った modifies 現在社会 or こどもたち?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673223
They are linked together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673223
By knowing Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673259
I'm asking if there is a specific rule for cases like that, if I could look this up like a piece a vocabulary instead of asking here, I would.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673223
>When relative clauses come together in a sufficiently complex way, "parsing", or selecting the right relationship between words, gets increasingly complex. In all languages, the correct parse is selected with a combination of common sense and how common the possible patterns are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673024
I thought Tae Kim outright states that だ can't be used in a question when it covered だ vs です

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673283
No, it only says that with か, not questions in general.

[Anonymous No.]

What radio stations are good for listening to people speaking in your experience?

FM Chappy (Saitama station) seems to have a fairly high talking to music ratio so that's usually my go-to, but I would like to have more options to choose from. FM Taro (Gunma station) also seems to have a decent amount of talking, while all the Tokyo and Kanagawa stations seem to be like >90% music whenever I tune in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673319
Oh, and bonus points if anyone knows a radio station which is active at night. All the ones I've tried seem to go into music-only mode from some time around midnight until 5 or 6 in the morning (haven't checked to figure out the exact times).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673319
Similar question: Is there a way to watch normie TV that isn't news and isn't live action drama or variety shows? Like Tantei Knight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673319
Many of the seiyuu radio shows seem to be on 文化放送 (http://www.joqr.co.jp/programs/list_a.php).).
Those mostly have around one song per 30 minute show and the rest is talking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673348
>Tantei Knight
Nyaa has several torrents of it, but they're huge and seemingly seriously under-seeded (if not completely dead).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673363
Looks like that site hosts its stations on that radiko.jp site which only lets Japanese IPs listen to stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673223
夢も希望も失った could be modifying 現代社会 or 現代社会のこどもたち. Because the こどもたち are part of the 現代社会 I think that if it modifies 現代社会 it is also implicitly modifying the こどもたち, so either way it basically means the same thing. If it were spoken out loud I could probably tell which specifically it was meant to be based on the intonation, but when it's written it's ambiguous.
It only becomes a problem when you try to translate it into English because 現代社会 is singular but こどもたち is plural, so it becomes either "that has lost its hopes and dreams" or "that have lost their hopes and dreams." But if you're not worrying about how to say it in English then in my opinion it's どうでもいい.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673381
Yeah, but I just download the stuff I'm interested in from NicoNico.
If you want more listening stuff, you could give http://sokoani.com/ a try.
You can easily download all past episodes, which leaves you with around 450 hours of listening material that's mostly people talking about anime with basically no music.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673423
Oh sweet. Thanks for the link.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673391
Ok, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

まいくろＳＤがこわれた

きっとウイルスだ

[Anonymous No.]

ぱそこんのドライブもいっこ

にんしきされない

どうしたらいいの

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673447
ジェンツーをインストールして

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673531
日本人ってやっぱりwindowsを使わざるを得ない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673423
>You can easily download all past episodes
More specifically, don't use the obvious mp3 link that looks like this, because the number part in the middle is random for every episode:
http://sokoani.com/podpress_trac/web/11435/0/s496.mp3
The episodes are also hosted at
http://podcast.sokoani.com/SA/mp3/s001.mp3
...
http://podcast.sokoani.com/SA/mp3/s496.mp3

so use Excel or whatever to generate a list of all links and plug that into your favorite download manager.
If there's more than one person here who cares about this, I could also make a torrent of all currently existing files tomorrow, so we don't murder their site

[Anonymous No.]

Anybody here with dyslexia? How have you found learning Japanese? Any tips?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673618
read a lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673618
https://www.nature.com/news/2004/040830/full/news040830-5.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672554
The best show are the ones that can be understood by kids though. Mahou Shoujo, CGDCT, /u/-bait, once you can understand these, that's all you will ever need to appreciate anime with a few exceptions like symphogear and maybe a couple episodes or so of monogatari.

[Anonymous No.]

/djt/ I'm fucking terrified of reading, I just want to stay in my easy Anki bubble forever. But I can't, I need to move forward. Is Leyline a good intro to reading? Seems relatively easy based on that wiki script list, but I have no idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673615
You can just use wget with ranges, no need for excel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673629
Just ask yourself why the fuck you're learning Japanese at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673624
Fascinating anon. Thank you. Helped my worries a little bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17672664
Watching self insert harem and isekai shit for 13 year olds does not make you a more skilled anime connoisseur

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673636
I'm bored and like anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673631
How do you do that? I know you can just "wget [insert url here]" for a single URL, but I have no idea how to do anything more advanced than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673659
Nevermind, found the answer.

wget http://podcast.sokoani.com/SA/mp3/s{001..496}.mp3

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916
>you will out grow your interest in anime and manga
LOL this pleb thinks I'm not fatally addicted to kawaii. Moe stops when my heart stops beating!

[Anonymous No.]

ぐーぐるせんせいにきいたら

ＭＢＲ破損だって

どうしたらいいの

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673641
>the only decent anime right now are Precure, Pripara
So watching anime you think is made for 13 year olds is not fine but watching anime made for 8 year old girls is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667916
>learning for kiddie shit like anime and manga
>not using anime and manga as a stepping stone to get into the real interesting japanese stuff like political essays and scientific literature

I don't know what stupid redditor you got that from but you should fuck off back to where you came from if you agree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673711
You're very grown up anon. Everybody is very impressed with you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673711
>real interesting japanese stuff like political essays and scientific literature

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673701
I don't see how a faulty MBR on your hard drive could stop your PC from recognising a MicroSD card.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673722
*puffs chest with pride*
まああ、ねー～
>>17673739
I don't know I've never even read any of that shit, I'm just hoping academic stuff is gonna be worth it when I get good to understand it. It's just gay schoolgirl comics for now though. I'm untipping my fedora until I get better, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673711
where would you rank this on your spectrum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE_eppxzl-E

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673752
よくわかんないけど

たぶんＨＤＤクラッシュ

なにがふっとんだのかもわからない

新しいまんがとかはいってたとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673817
D-doesn't apply, those are probably just Chinese immigrants or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673752
ディスクのかんりでは

>初期化されてないディスク

だって

さいあく

もう嫌い

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673817
I wish this faggot who keeps posting links to horrible music would fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673857
~wish in one hand shit in the other and see which one fills up first~

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673862
Rather my hand full of shit than my skull

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673891
~rather my skull full of shit than my heart~

[Anonymous No.]

認識されてないからchkdskすら受け付けない

なにが失われたのかすらわからない

もうわっかんないや

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673897
I'm not sure how good your English is, but you could try setting your PC to English and seeing what the error messages say in English. If you search the English error messages in Google, you will probably get a lot more results. The only problem is whether or not you can understand those results.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673958
英語わからなくても大丈夫
googleよく使います

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673970
意味が間違ったと思う。日本語で言ってみる。

パソコンの言語を英語にする。そして、パソコンはエラーメッセージを英語で表示する。英語のエラーメッセージをgoogleでルックアップしたら、必ずもっと大きな量のヒットを見つけられる。

[Anonymous No.]

What does つってね mean here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674112
Seems it's some kind of catchphrase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674112
Install RikaiCake/KireiCake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674112
なんつって
なんちゃって
冗談で言ってみたことを後から弁解する語

[Anonymous No.]

What's this new "Innocent Corpus" dictionary for Yomichan? I don't get how a frequency list of words/kanji serves as a dictionary or fits into Yomichan. If you click the "Innocent Corpus" link, it just takes you to a post on the koohii forums about a text analysis program.

https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674145
it's the frequency used in rikaisama

it's garbage based on a corpus of novel rips, which are of dubious representation of japanese as whole, especially in popular media, because of the particular set of novels it's based on (the "innocent corpus")

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674170
also it was made with ipadic which is like the worst morphological analysis dictionary ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674170
>>17674181
Ah, thanks for the explanation. I won't bother downloading it in that case.

[Anonymous No.]

Anki is killing me, but learning words through exposure didn't seem to work for me at all. At the same time, I don't wanna slow down on new words per day because my retention is solid and I don't want to still be droning 3 years from now.

[Anonymous No.]

written by 茄茸

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674280
just read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674280
It's almost like a healthy balance various different learning methods is the best way to strengthen your understanding of a subject or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674280
You won't learn ones that you're not "ready" to learn yet. In the most autistically abstract way, acquisition works like this:

- Associating phrases with situations
- Realizing the literal meaning of those phrases
- Breaking those phrases up grammatically because of shared sub-phrases with other phrases
- Associating sub-phrases with situations
- Realizing the literal meaning of those sub-phrases

The smallest sub-phrases are words, so to learn a word naturally, you have to go through the entire sequence. Of course, a lot of words are used in very basic patterns like XがYだ, so the first three steps are given for free. The fourth step is the hard part because it requires the word to be used a lot.

You might, for example, notice that このブルジョワジイめ was used two scenes apart, by the same character, in situations where they were probably trying to express scorn for people doing activities that cost a lot of money. You'll probably work out that ブルジョワジイ is its own word, and if you know very basic Japanese you'll consider that め might be a suffix. If you look them up in a dictionary you'll see that ブルジョワジイ is jargon (if you look it up in english you'll get the jist that it refers to a group of people with a particular economic class) and め is a marker for scorn.

[Anonymous No.]

Before I go through this VN 5K list and make an anki deck 1 by 1, is there a better way to do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674336
you could use epwing to anki but it'll misinterpret a ton of words

you're better off mining than making a frequency list deck anyway, it'll also give you example sentences that are guaranteed to use the sense of the word you're trying to memorize and don't have weird grammar in them

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674336
share the deck when you're done please

[Anonymous No.]

How's that Compelling Content you've been enjoying, friends? Are you making good progress? Have you learned something interesting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17673645
You can move forward with listening over reading but you need to make sure to consistently challenge yourself.

Watch things beyond your level unsubbed and make an active effort to parse and look up words you don't know. Listen to non-seiyuu japanese and develop the ability to transcribe what's being said even if you don't know what it means. You'll know you're doing it right if it makes you tired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674636
It's hard to find Compelling Content for Mandarin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674636
>Are you making good progress?
hard to tell if im reading faster or just glossing over particles, ripping the words out and using context to jam it all into some kind of sense
Have you learned something interesting?
yeah, that i hate long chains of glottal stops, they feel like speed humps

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674636

I'm doing alright, just taking it ez and ruminating on what I have learned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674776
>glossing over particles, ripping the words out and using context to jam it all into some kind of sense
Shit, I think you just described me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674636
Watched around 10 anime series in the past 10 days. This season has been alright so far

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674801
Nha he's describing me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674636
The new semester has made me lazy to the point where I only do about ~20% of my reviews without doing any new cards. I also don't read any. What do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674988
do something else that you wanna do be it with japanese or otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

助けて

[Anonymous No.]

Is your average person able to read texts written
in 万葉仮名?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675126
Is your average person able to read texts written in Old English?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675160
Fæder ūre þū þe eart on heofonum, Sī þīn nama ġehālgod. Tōbecume þīn rīċe,

Yeah, you should be able to read that with minimal adjustment. It's just the strange vocabulary that's a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675173
>minimal adjustment
TRYING MINIMAL REALLY TRYING

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675173
I might not be a native speaker but I have absolutely no idea what that's supposed to mean. And that doesn't look much like the Old English I've seen, it looks more like Middle English.
But then there you go. All you need are some "minimal adjustments" to understand which kanji are purely phonetic, get used to the different expressions and grammar, get used to the different vocabulary, and know where words start and end and you're good to go and can read manyougana "just fine."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675173
WHAN THAHT AHPRIEL WIETH HEAS SHOURES SOUTE
THE DRAUICGHTES OF MAERCH HATH PEAIRCED THRU THE ROUTE
AND BATHE'''D EVREIY VEIAN IN SWIECH LIQUOUR OF WHICH VERTU ENGEANDREAD IS THEH FLEUAXRE

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674099
くわしいひとに

きいたら

寿命だから

もうむりだって

がーん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1C97ZqLE8Y

[Anonymous No.]

A solid four years and 947 studying hours have passed since I started the Core 6k Anki deck. Yesterday I finally saw me last new card. It's the best feeling. Now I only have to get all of them to mature :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675253

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675253
How will you handle the shock of realizing that you still don't understand japanese after all of that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675267
I understand it much better than 4 years ago though :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675253
>4 years for core6
ah the old 2 new cards a day trick

[Anonymous No.]

I-I'm scared, DJT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17674636
Trying to watch anime with Japanese subtitles, but 24-minute series take me an hour because I pause so much to look up new words or make sense of grammar. It's fun overall, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675173
I understand it with minimal adjustment, but I speak German as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675271
Well, "almost not at all" is better than "not at all" :)

[Anonymous No.]

Why is the culture of Japanese learning on 4chan always 'you can't learn it lol', why such unmotivating humor

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675432
We are the internet hate machine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675432
But the first reply to this thread was >>17663954

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675432
Trillions of weebs have tried. Trillions have failed. Probably, the percentage that actually becomes capable of enjoying content is less than 1%. But that's only so small because there are so many, many, many that never really gave it an earnest try and stuck with it saying "oh it's impossible because I still couldn't read shit after a week."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675473
yeah either
>all that shit
or someone used the patch tool on lingualift's mascot for a giggle

[Anonymous No.]

おにいちゃんがんばって

あたしはきょうはもうだめ

あしたがんばる

[Anonymous No.]

Is he called Dogen because he's into dogging?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675696
that would be どっげん but he is どうげん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675701
There's no gemination in English either, just a short vowel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675804
it's also a completely different vowel

[Anonymous No.]

でもきょうは

クリスタルディスクインフォの

つかいかたをおぼえたよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675807
Well, depends on who you ask.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675830
in no major modern dialect of english is the first vowel in dogging an ipa "o" vowel, it is always an ipa "ɒ" vowel or brighter

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675839
My (non-native) English pronunciation is based on what they speak in Essex and the RP. I feel more compelled to represent the sound with the Japanese "do", as nothing else is available, and certainly not "da". I don't think it's a completely different vowel from the Japanese "o", just a somewhat different one. I guess you win though, I am not a native speaker so I cannot be right about everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675946
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_vowel_chart_with_audio

pronouncing "dogging" with an ipa "o" is completely wrong, no matter what dialect. it needs to be something between ɒ and ä

this has been true since the 1700s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675961
>ɒ
That's what I identify with the "o" in "dog". The rest is how stupid yanks say it. Maybe I'm conditioned to feel that it's a variant of the IPA /o/, I suppose. I can't connect it with /a/. Therefore I think that a representation of this sound with the Japanese syllable ど is a highly reasonable approximation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675298
Were you hospitalized or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675811
HDDなくなったか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675432
We take it to an avant-garde level, you see. The daily Japanese thread was post-ironic before post-ironic became a thing.

*tips Evangelion*

[Anonymous No.]

>>17676670
おにいちゃんもきをつけてね

せいしんてきにきつい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17675432
Nobody has ever succesfully learned Japanese. In fact, the Japanese language doesn't even exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17676874
昔にあったよ、そのこと
泣きたかった..

[Anonymous No.]

「この勝利、君主に捧げ奉り候」

It honestly sounds to my ear like he's saying そろ (and that's how I've always read it) but when I look up 候 in the dictionary, only そう (=ます) seems to fit. そろ (=ある) doesn't seem grammatically correct.

Are my ears wrong or is my grammar wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677240
imabi waffles on about it
http://www.imabi.net/copulaverbs.htm

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677254
>There are truncated forms of 候 such as そろう.
??????

Feels like it's so old that I guess it doesn't really matter how you read it.

[Anonymous No.]

How long should I keep reviewing the RTK deck before I delete it? And is RTK3 worth doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677441
As long as you want to be able to write those characters from memory, unless you do something like >>17667993
RTK3 isn't worth it, because it's full of plant and religious kanji, and he really struggled with thinking up unique names for many of those.
You know how the method works now, just apply it yourself to the kanji you come across instead of learning the RTK3 list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677441
It's not RTK but I have a 3-year old kanji deck and I only get about 30 reviews a day which takes 5 minutes.

There was a point where I considered deleting it, but I passed it and now it takes up such little time that it's possible I'll never delete it.

[Anonymous No.]

Just a heads-up, you can finally turn off the idiotic sticky mode in yomichan.
https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/ you want the locally hosted version (FF takes ages to accept updates) You may need to go to about:config (just type in address bar) and change xpinstall.signatures.required to false.

[Anonymous No.]

Is here somebody who understands japanese?

I need help with a translation of a word

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677655
cont
It's the 'automatically hide results' option. Depending on your scan delay you may want to change popup offset to 0 pixels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677662
>>>/wsr/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677676
thx

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677668
>>17677655
It's still pretty slow compared to Rikaichan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677722
Change scan delay my good man. (This option has been there since a long time, you are just a big dum-dum.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677731
>scan delay
Didn't see that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677750
2 miliseconds works best I think (at least if you also use the autohide results option, sometimes the word ends in another line and then the popup sadly goes there, not near your mouse, so you need a delay big enough that the popup won't disappear before your mouse gets there if you want to scroll the results)
If you do that make the popup offset is 0 pixels too, so that normally you don't have to move your mouse too quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677768
>*make sure the popup

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677655
>>17677668
Nice.

>>17677731
Even with scan delay set to 1 millisecond, Yomichan is still noticeably less responsive than Rikaisama since the scan delay is just what Yomichan SHOULD do, not what it actually in practice does. When switching between words, Yomichan is often quite slow to follow your cursor through the text.

Hopefully newer versions will see some performance improvements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677793
Are you using a scan button? I think it for some reason slows it down.
With button set to 'none' and delay set to 0 milliseconds, I'm not able to move my mouse through text without getting at least a few popups along the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677804
>Are you using a scan button? I think it for some reason slows it down.
No, but I've also noticed that it seems much slower when you do use a scan button.

Also, the slowness doesn't seem to be when you hover over a word for the first time as such. It's more apparent when moving left-to-right through text from one word to the next that it feels unresponsive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677804
Disregard that, doesn't happen anymore.
But still, it's very fast even on my toaster (FX-6300). Try Nightly (04.08.2017 if you are using tree style tabs). It keeps all your extensions and settings, so changing to it is painless (and if it breaks one of your extensions you can just uninstall it).
Changing the allow-non-mpc to true should let you keep all your outdated extensions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677866
I mean changing this setting in about:config.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677866
see

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677906
Or is that webm what you call 'slow'?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17677866
I can't really use Nightly since I'm on Linux. Distros don't keep packages of it in their repos because it's a pain in the ass to maintain due to the frequency of its updates. I could install it manually, but it would mean having to manually update it all the time which I'm too lazy to do.

>>17677906
>>17677983
You're mousing through the text really slowly in that webm. Do it a bit quicker like you're trying to skip through words you already know to get to one you don't know and you'll see it becomes pretty unresponsive and gets stuck trying to figure out words you long since moved your mouse away from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678015
How fast do you want it to be?
It surely is faster than I am.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678015
In Linux you can't allow a program to update on its own? That sounds pretty stupid.
But you could just not update it and then once vanilla catches up to current Nightly switch back to vanilla.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678042
I guess that may seem slow, but I don't like it to show gazillion results when I'm moving my mouse, so I keep the delay at 2 milliseconds, at 0 it makes my eyes hurt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678042
Ah, I guess either my computer is too shit (doubtful since I have the same CPU as you) or WebExtensions is shit on the standard release of Firefox.

When I mouse through text at that speed, Yomichan gets stuck on words and seems to think I'm hovering over a word that I'm not, then I have to slowly move my mouse cursor to another word to get it to shift from the one it's stuck on.

>>17678064
Updates in Linux work very differently from Windows. Rather than opening your browser, going to https://www.mozilla.org/ and downloading an .exe, then running the .exe to install the program, you simply type (on Debian and its derivatives, command varies in other distros) "sudo apt-get install firefox" and your package manager takes care of all the rest. You can update every single package, both system packages and other packages like Firefox, installed on your system from your distro's repos by typing "sudo apt-get update" (gets new information about packages) and then "sudo apt-get upgrade" (updates any packages which have new versions). Unlike in Windows where system updates almost always require a reboot, the only time you need to reboot a Linux system is if Linux itself or systemd (if you use it) was updated.

For software which exists in your distro's repos, Linux is way more convenient imo. The problem arises when your distro doesn't have a package for the software you want in its repos. In those cases, you usually have to compile a package yourself from the source code which is really slow, and then you have to manually maintain it.

Major distros usually have packages for pretty much anything you could want though. I don't have any manually compiled programs on my system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678110
Yeah, there's a clear difference in performance on my system and how it works in your WebM.

I thought Yomichan was the problem since Rikaisama is very quick and responsive for me, but I guess it's either Firefox or my PC (or both) which are at fault.

[Anonymous No.]

何をするでもな
what does this phrase mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678125
should be 何をするでもなく

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678114
>Rather than opening your browser, going to https://www.mozilla.org/ and downloading an .exe
I meant the automatic updates where you don't have to do shit. Nightly just updates on its own without me doing anything.
Lack of something like that seems to be a pretty big drawback.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678138
>I meant the automatic updates where you don't have to do shit. Nightly just updates on its own without me doing anything.
Most programs in Windows don't update themselves though, meaning every time there's an update you have to manually go to the program's website and download the latest .exe.

In Linux, you can update absolutely everything on your system all in one go with just two commands (or just one in some distros). Overall, I find Linux much more convenient.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678171
>Most programs in Windows don't update themselves though
Yeah, but Nightly does. Anyway you could just update it every few months until normal FF catches up. Unless you have a religious need to be on the bleeding edge.
Even outside of yomichan switching stopped the browser from occasionally crashing or hanging up with 50+ tabs (I have some very resource-intensive extensions) and made the browser start up and load tabs ~60% faster.
I can't shill Nightly enough, just try it for yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678138
Oh, and the reason you can't have automatic updates like that in Linux where the programs just update themselves is due to security. Updating programs requires messing around in root-owned folders which requires root (administrator on Windows) privileges, so any program wanting to update itself automatically would need a way of elevating itself to root privileges without your consent or knowledge.

Even when being manually updated by the user, this never involves giving the actual program you're updating root privileges. You give root privileges to your distro's package manager instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678171
>Most programs in Windows don't update themselves though

I'd say like 90% of software I have installed have some sort of auto-updating feature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678208
Almost all of my program badger me to go to their site and download the new update. I guess it depends.
>>17678015
They even provide already compiled binaries and it's not like you need to update all that often (I'm still at 04.08.2017 since later they broke tree style tabs). There's also a repo for ubuntu. Just do it nigger.

Anyway no Linux posts below this line, the thread is too slow
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[Anonymous No.]

What does the second こと do here? It doesn't seem to correspond to any of the entries in HJGP

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678236
>tree style tabs
The dev of this is fortunately working on a WebExtensions version:
https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/issues/1224

He recently made development builds available here (no idea how usable they are though):
http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/xpi/nightly/
(it's the "treestyletab-we.xpi" one)

The crossed-out bits in pic related are things which have been implemented and things which are impossible to implement, I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678341
>The crossed-out bits in pic related are things which have been implemented and things which are impossible to implement, I think.
Oh wait, no. Everything crossed-out is implemented. It's the "intentionally dropped features" which are impossible to implement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678324
It is 殊, as in 殊に.
こと～に関しては is a set phrase:
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q112719476
>意味としては、
>「特にこれに関しては・・・」

[Anonymous No.]

is there sense in watching/listening to Japanese media without knowing vocab? I learnt about this technique from this dude who got fluent in Jap, he recommended to learn from RTK and do the 'passive learning' in meantime even though you can't make heads or tails of what's being said

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678554
>is there sense in watching/listening to Japanese media without knowing vocab?
Yes. Your brain will start converting Japanese from "chingchongnipnong" to "ching chong nip nong" to "nakadashi no yorokobi". You might not learn what any of the actual words mean, but your brain will slowly figure out where words end and begin and will get a feel for the patterns of the language.

That said, I think knowing at least a couple hundred common words would increase the effectiveness of your listening practice considerably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678554

Sure, as long as you aren't listening exclusively to slang or whatever it'll at the very minimum be exposure to native pronunciation and speech patterns. It doesn't mean you'll automagically become good at them yourself, but it'll provide a more reliable and accurate foundation than listening to non-natives such as other students.

There's never any harm in exposure, as long as you don't end up picking up your speech habits from magical girl anime or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678554
A bit of advice: Listening to the same thing more than once can be helpful, but there's diminishing returns with every subsequent listen, so you will want to balance familiarity and variety for the best results.

If you want something to listen to, an anon linked something good earlier in the thread: >>17673423 ( you can use wget to automatically download all the audio files: >>17673682 )

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678125
>>17678129
„Doing nothing…“ basically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678669
>If you want something to listen to, an anon linked something good earlier in the thread: >>17673423 ( you can use wget to automatically download all the audio files: >>17673682 (You) )
Updated the resources guide to include this.

I also updated the radio section of the resources guide about a week ago, but the neocities page still hasn't been updated to include it.

Judging from the mess that the actual guide is in (and has been in for some time now), I think the maintainer of both the Google Docs pages as well as the neocities site has given up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678780
yeah that's also what he wrote a few threads back.
Somebody should just take over.

Anyway I still fail to understand why the retard did away with the embedding Google Doc/Sheet/etc idea. Would be easy to maintain without taking over everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678798
>Somebody should just take over.
The current maintainer would have to hand over the account info for the Google and neocities pages for that to happen, and it doesn't seem like he's around anymore for someone to work out an arrangement like that with him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678836
I guess with some of the current autism it requires more resources, but I hosted the old site on some bullshit free hosting.
Everything is either Mega (so free) or very light (text is light as fuck) so can be covered even by the free hosting plans.
If nobody is willing to waste money we could just keep the links to library http://djt.netlify.com/ and manga https://shinmoemanga.neocities.org/ as is until they die.
They don't really have to be a webpage so you could add everything from them that isn't already in CoR to CoR, and when the pages die, they die.
I think most of the pages is in offline archive already, so just simply rehost it on some free website.
The only hard thing would be backuping all the Mega stuff.
If only the current maintainer provided the master links to all those Mega account we could just copy them, right now it would be very painstaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678798
>Anyway I still fail to understand why the retard did away with the embedding Google Doc/Sheet/etc idea
Probably because it was fucking terrible in practice.

>>17678895
>The only hard thing would be backuping all the Mega stuff.
This has always been a problem and nobody has ever solved it. Just skip all the manga and LNs that were ripped from public piracy platforms and all the garbage in the 教本 tab that nobody cares about (Core 2k/6k 2-Step Japanese Vocabulary , Tobira anki deck , 今日・いまび.pdf , like 80% of the kanji books because they're only useful in showing that RTK is awful, etc.)

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any online manga reader sites that serve raws instead of fan-translations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678935
>Probably because it was fucking terrible in practice.
How so?
Just werks. Doesn't look as pretty as a real website but it was never a problem.

>This has always been a problem and nobody has ever solved it.
Copying / giving away accounts is easy. Restoring links is only time consuming, not hard, but if you got very lazy and the Mega finally got a working search functionality (or did they implement it already?), then you could just have a resource list and Mega masterlinks list. People could search those ~30 Mega until they found the one that contains what they want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678780
I'm still around, I just stopped checking the feedback page and don't plan to be very reactive, so it would be fine if someone less lazy took over. I added the radio shows. Thanks.

>>17678895
I only have access to the ebook mega accounts. Several other people (probably gone) control the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678963
>How so?
>Just werks. Doesn't look as pretty as a real website but it was never a problem.
Loading ~actually google docs~ pages is very slow and they're bloated and have stupid quirks that make them annoying to navigate. The HTML export pages are much less awful.

>Copying / giving away accounts is easy.
The CoR is not all uploaded on the same mega account. That would be suicide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678963
>and the Mega finally got a working search functionality
This is literally never going to happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678965
>Several other people (probably gone) control the rest.
Fuck, then we would have to copy it link by link.
>>17678967
>The CoR is not all uploaded on the same mega account. That would be suicide.
Last I know it was ~20 Mega accounts (because free was only 50GB).
>Loading ~actually google docs~ pages is very slow and they're bloated and have stupid quirks that make them annoying to navigate. The HTML export pages are much less awful.
How fucking often do you have to load it and how fast does it have to be. It loaded for me in a sec or two (apart from grammar reference, but you could just DL it).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678974
When you give somebody a link to a folder he already has access to all the contents. I think you mean the Mega supposedly doesn't know what you have on your account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678984
>Last I know it was ~20 Mega accounts (because free was only 50GB).
Even if you're using free accounts they can just kill all the accounts associated with the same IP if they think they're going to get in trouble.

>How fucking often do you have to load it and how fast does it have to be.
Back when it was in a shitty google docs site I was opening it every single day and navigation was the most annoying thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679029
What for?
Find a book you want, maybe DL grammar reference and you should be set.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679029
>Even if you're using free accounts they can just kill all the accounts associated with the same IP if they think they're going to get in trouble.
They are still alive, so whatever. We are too small to attract attention.
Also
>if they think they're going to get in trouble.
They aren't legally responsible for anything, after all they can't even see the contents of your account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679040
>They aren't legally responsible for anything
Okay, you've just confirmed you should never be let anywhere near distributing pirated material, because you have no idea how legal liability works for file lockers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679040
>They are still alive
One of my accounts got mutilated after a copyright report on a manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679045
They don't know even what you have there. That's their whole shtick. Obviously they have to take it down when they get contacted by rights' holder.
They could also kill your account(s) but it would be only to avoid wasting more time, they would never have to pay fine for you misusing their encrypted storage service.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679061
>They don't know even what you have there.
Except they do because you're publishing decryption links in the public and reports include those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679054
On Mega? Then it sucks, because almost the whole current CoR is connected to a single IP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679071
Yeah, you done goofed.

>Just skip all the manga and LNs that were ripped from public piracy platforms and all the garbage in the 教本 tab that nobody cares about (Core 2k/6k 2-Step Japanese Vocabulary , Tobira anki deck , 今日・いまび.pdf , like 80% of the kanji books because they're only useful in showing that RTK is awful, etc.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17678965
>I'm still around, I just stopped checking the feedback page and don't plan to be very reactive
Are you speaking in the short term or long term here?

Is it that you're just too busy to maintain it at the present moment due to temporary IRL factors, or do you just have no real interest in maintaining it at all anymore irrespective of external factors?

>I added the radio shows.
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679067
I am publishing them on some random site, do you really think Mega has a legal obligation to scour the whole internet for public links to their accounts and then check if there's nothing illegal in there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679079
>reports include those

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679080
Yeah, but (your?) idiotic claim is that Mega would be legally liable for whatever the fuck you store there. I would never argue that they won't delete shit when they are asked to by IP holders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679085
They are if they don't remove it. Megaupload literally got raided because they weren't shutting down accounts fast enough, even though they were taking down individual files legally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679087
>They are if they don't remove it.
If you wrote it from the start instead of that idiotic bullshit we wouldn't be arguing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679094
Read my post, not just the first seven words out of context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679076
Long term.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679097
>>They aren't legally responsible for anything
>Okay, you've just confirmed you should never be let anywhere near distributing pirated material, because you have no idea how legal liability works for file lockers.
You will never be able to explain this retarded shit, man. Hosting shit (even illegal shit) is completely safe as long as you do it wisely.
>No we didn't know what he have uploaded to his encrypted account, we didn't know it was illegal, we have removed it as soon as we got informed about that.
As simple as that. Megaupload was just retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679120
Megaupload wasn't raided because they didn't have plausible deniability, they were raided because they were hosting too much illegal content. Plausible deniability stops being a thing when your business model boils down to making money off of piracy in practice.

Mega is liable if they don't remove something that's reported. That doesn't mean that mega stops being liable just because they remove something. X implying Y does not mean that Y requires X.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679120
>>17679128
Oh, and yes, they do shut down accounts based on IP. This isn't abstract. Get a grip on reality, dude. Mega isn't actually a safe place to host files.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679128
Read up on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload#Basis_of_indictment

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679132
Nice strawman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679133
cont
Mega doesn't fit any of those points.
They are as safe as they could ever be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679133
The legal breakdown of why what they did was law enforcement happened after the raid, dude. Knowing what people were storing didn't help, but it wasn't a necessary condition to raid them.

>>17679137
That is not a strawman argument in any form.

>>17679141
>Infringing users did not have their accounts terminated
Literally what we're talking about here. If this doesn't apply to Mega then you don't have an argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679128
>Plausible deniability stops being a thing when your business model boils down to making money off of piracy in practice.
>Plausible deniability stops being a thing when you don't have plausible deniability.
In more news, green is green and yellow is yellow.
Tune it at eleven, when we will discuss the qualities of blue and pink.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679148
You don't know what "plausible deniability" means.

Why did you respond to the same post twice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679146
>That is not a strawman argument in any form.
Except it has nothing to do with our argument and your retarded post that started it.
>>They aren't legally responsible for anything
>Okay, you've just confirmed you should never be let anywhere near distributing pirated material, because you have no idea how legal liability works for file lockers.
As they are operating now, they aren't legally responsible for anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679151
>Except it has nothing to do with our argument and your retarded post that started it.
Except it does because this is exactly about accounts being taken down.

>Even if you're using free accounts they can just kill all the accounts associated with the same IP if they think they're going to get in trouble.

This is the statement that caused you to start arguing about Mega.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679146
>The legal breakdown of why what they did was law enforcement happened after the raid, dude. Knowing what people were storing didn't help, but it wasn't a necessary condition to raid them.
You can't even aid Mega, even they can't access anything without a link you are generating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679151
>As they are operating now, they aren't legally responsible for anything.
yes they are, the moment they receive a takedown request they are liable, and new and exciting legal requirements for online businesses are introduced all the time

>>17679157
a link that is included in any infringement report

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679157
You're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679149
>Plausible deniability is the ability of people to deny knowledge of or responsibility for any damnable actions committed by others in an organizational hierarchy because of a lack of evidence that can confirm their participation
Read the wiki link, some of the points show that they knew how the service was used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679166
I never said megaupload had plausible deniability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679154
>This is the statement that caused you to start arguing about Mega.
Completely wrong, I will quote the post that started it once again, maybe you it will get through your thick skull.
>>They aren't legally responsible for anything
>Okay, you've just confirmed you should never be let anywhere near distributing pirated material, because you have no idea how legal liability works for file lockers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679175
You started arguing before that. I have been arguing about the same topic since before that quote. You pretend that a reminder about what you're arguing about is a strawman argument, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679161
Yes, hence you don't need to raid them to know they are storing it.
Raid won't give you anything more than what you already have, since even Mega can't access the files, only users and people who have links to files can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679179
a raid will shut down the service and reduce piracy which is exactly what the megaupload raid was meant to accomplish and did accomplish

the files from the megaupload raid don't even exist anymore, nobody cared about them on the law enforcement side

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679173
Ok, if you also agree that how they are operating now Mega has plausible deniability, then we actually agree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679185
they have plausible deniability that they technically don't know what people are hosting

but it's 100% possible for them to be instructed to add decryption tracking for public links, and if they don't, that could be enough to raid them

centralized services for piracy always fail

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679178
>You
Welcome to 4chins, my good man
>>17679183
>>the files from the megaupload raid don't even exist anymore, nobody cared about them on the law enforcement side
Nah, the vast majority of those files being illegal was used as another argument in the case against them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679190

[Anonymous No.]

oh my god the original djt guide hoster is the original argumentative autist

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679187
>You have to maintain a crawler powerful enough to crawl the whole Internet just to be allowed to be a cloud storage company.
I don't think it's gonna fly. It would kill all the small companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679196
tracking != crawling, educate yourself

[Anonymous No.]

Why aren't you idiots using a wiki for the non-CoR stuff in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679198
How do you track the whole Internet cheaply? Please tell me, senpai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679204
have you considered that decryption links are loaded onto mega's website which is basically an eldritch horror of javascript downloaded from their own servers

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679204
>>17679198
Or do you mean shit like saving the generated links and looking up what's in them?
Not gonna fly either, those are links to confidential company documents their clients are sharing with their coworkers, can't infringe on that without a warrant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679216
>Not gonna fly either, those are links to confidential company documents their clients are sharing with their coworkers, can't infringe on that without a warrant.
You have literally no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679210
see
>>17679216

Though maybe in America? just before you are required to spy on your tenants to make sure they didn't turn the house you are renting them into a rape dungeon. Yay freedom!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679226
fun fact: the mega raids were illegal under nz law, only legal under us law, and the extradition treaty doesn't cover things that are not illegal in nz

only american law matters when the big megacorp money is on the line

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679220
Please educate me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679233
Corporate espionage laws aren't anywhere near as strong as you are assuming they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679232
It's still illegal right now.
Anyway what you wrote is only true for countries who are cucked by America, good luck on America ding same shit in China.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679236
Then how about my private photoshoot I'm storing there? Can't infringe on that without a warrant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679249
Yes they can.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does this thread out of the two daily Japanese threads always attract the most off topic bullshit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679251
Proof that in America the government doesn't need a warrant to spy on you (unless it's terrorism related)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679255
Everything the government or their controllers don't like is terrorism.

[Anonymous No.]

>hide one post from two hours ago
>almost the entire thread disappears as a result

Classic djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679194
>original djt guide hoster
How fucking new? I'm one of the successors of Australiafag and anyway this argument isn't perpetuated by me; I couldn't care less about CoR dying, I got completely burned out when maintaining it. Now I just want to forget all that wasted time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679281
i like how it took that post getting screenshot in another post before you responded to it

[Anonymous No.]

Beginner here. I studied some grammar (at least tae kim level) and doing vocabulary every day. Recently started reading this novel and while I can understand overall whats going on (with vocabulary/dictionary help), I can't really say I'm understanding every little detail and sometimes I read sentences where I only get a rough idea of what was meant.

Like, on some sentences I feel like I can capture the message that is being passed, but if I stop to do a thorough analysis of the sentence I find that I actually don't understand a few details or the way some things are being used. At the same time I don't really have a friend to ask that stuff and if I ask here every single time then I'll be bombarding this thread with questions daily.

So my question for now is: Am I being a complete retard for not bothering to understand everything thoroughly 100% and just moving on after understanding "enough"? It sure feels like the answer is yes, but I don't really know what to do about it because no Japanese friend to ask shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly how hard is it to get a community to work together on something so relatively simple? If people invested a similar amount of energy as they do arguing then maybe whatever problems people are having wouldn't occur in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679281
I just want you to know its not wasted time, you helped a lot of people by doing so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679289
I can't be bothered reading the whole DJT anymore, I just briefly look for anything interesting and that post got buried in the autism.
I guess pic related really works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679281
It's not wasted time. Don't let some dumb shitposters get you down. It's probably the single best resource for learner materials on the net.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679295
It's normal as a beginner. Once you feel ready, just start using HJGP or DOJG to look up grammar stuff you don't know. It's pretty similar to looking up vocab you don't recognize.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679295
You won't understand shit in the beginning, if you have a rough understanding of whats going on, thats fine. As long as you put effort into understanding more and more, you will understand more. I can guarantee you, if you finish reading that story and finishing a couple more stories, if you go back to this one, your understanding will have greatly improved already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679295
What you're experiencing is not just 100% normal, but 100% expected. If you thought you had 100% literal comprehension, you would be wrong. Nobody has 100% literal comprehension until what they're reading is far below their language skill, and you're still learning, so you're not like that yet.

You should be aiming for something like this, with the most important thing on the left:

the core non-linguistic message -> the individual words and the fact that they're related to the message -> the particular way that each of those individual words affect the message -> the literal meaning of the ways the words are connected to eachother to construct the message

>>17679300
>>17679304
Not gonna lie, aside from the learning resources tab, the CoR is probably one of the less useful things DJT has done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679307
>>17679313
>>17679314
While reading something that is already translated, is it best to continue checking over the english translation to make sure you are getting everything right? or will this make me too reliant on the translation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679340
No, translation is impossible so the tricks they use to cover up the differences will only confuse you and they're everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679340
Read a chapter in japanese, once you finished go read the translation. If you had any major misunderstandings, go back to the japanese text and look at what you got wrong.
If you still have problems, just ask.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679314
>Not gonna lie, aside from the learning resources tab, the CoR is probably one of the less useful things DJT has done.
There is some shit long dead elsewhere / some exclusive shit. Most books you can buy from Rakuten/Bookwalker/whatever, but still, saves money for us poorfags. Not sure about manga, maybe some older series you would have to import if they don't have a e-release and other scans are dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679340
If the story makes vague sense to you and you're having fun then you're fine. I only understood 70% of the first VN I ever read and looking back I'm glad I powered through it. I probably wouldn't have finished if I dwelled on every understanding everything.

Also >>17679342 is exaggerating but correct.

[Anonymous No.]

Which one is correct?
一口をあげる
一口あげる
Or does it actually make no difference?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679470
を is dropped in speech a lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679470
no practical difference

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/luulubuu/status/911590521897914373
に゛っこ゛に゛っこ゛に゛ー

[Anonymous No.]

>failed N2 last year
>get to see たけぱん's face again this year while brushing up on grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679547
everybody who wrote parodical cyberpunk stories in the golden age of serialized literature got this right, it was always going to be about entertainment media and pop culture idols

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679548
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1506296965776.webm

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679548
>watching 3dpd
>fails N2
No suprise here

[Anonymous No.]

>隅に置けない
i love how this sounds in a literal sense

[Anonymous No.]

Could somebody please translate this for me?

For context: it's a page about the Shin Megami Tensei series, and I want to know if those two .jar files (which are sadly dead links) are anything important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679609
That's Chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679609
Throw it into google translate

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679557
>決定

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679626
Rest of the page had kana, so I assumed the whole thing was Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679637
Some of those characters are only used in Chinese (转 两 历), so it's definitely not Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679626
>>17679630
From a rough google translate its something like:

"Mobile phone games of unknown origin". Next to each file it says "The file does not seem to exist".

I'm in pain. I think these might have actually been something decent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679607
>smooth operator
English is so funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679657
If it was something decent, you would most likely be able to find it elsewhere instead of only on some dodgy Chinese site.

[Anonymous No.]

Stupid question. Does 今日も mean something special? I keep seeing it in places where no other days have been mentioned. Starting off by saying today too just seems a little wierd, but idk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679683
It means they are going to がんばるぞい

[Anonymous No.]

>had to re-install my virtual machine which i use for vns
>now having to skip through flyable heart to get back to where i left off
Man, I didn't realise how much I'd read. It's quite motivating to see how much 'work' I've done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679715
But why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679724
Why did I have to reinstall it?

Computer was kill. Had to reinstall everything, not just the virtual machine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679557
Fuck I completely forgot about takepan, I used to be obsessed with her back when I was studying

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679728
No, why would you use a VM for VN

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679777
Could be more convenient, or they just haven't heard of Locale Emulator.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679777
I'm on Linux. Some VNs do work on Linux via Wine, but ITHVNR doesn't so if you want to hook the text then your only option is running them in a VM with Windows installed.

[Anonymous No.]

Can you guys give me some help with this line?
I know I saw something similar in a porn doujin I read once, but I can't remember the right word for 目的トんだ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679865
今コツイ一瞬
目的とんでもない maybe

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679777
I set up a VM with a 32bit Windows XP, because Window 8.1 refused to play older VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17679880
So, something like "What a crazy/terrible goal"?
It's 目的 that feels weird in this sentence and I'm not sure how to translate it.

Just to give a bit of context:
>A: You can't cum inside, I'm at work!
>B: Oh, you're right, it'd be bad if I did that.
>A: Yeah, so just fuck me really good.
>B: 今コツイ一瞬目的トんだ.

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>>17679790
ITHVNR runs on the current version of wine.

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>>17679865
lost track of her objective for a second

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>>17679955
Ah. My distro's package is pretty ancient (3 years old) so I guess that's why it doesn't work for me.

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>>17679975
Yeah it was fixed somewhere between one and two years ago. Part of the emulated windows registry was organized wrong in a way that broke ITHVNR.

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>>17679777
some people 'upgraded' to win8/10>>17679913

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>>17680052
As Gregor Samsa awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself transformed in his bed into a little girl.

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>>17679693
>>17679683
First 15 seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myHb4x6Lb_k

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>>17680052
There's a drama CD on nyaa for 小学生はじめましたP! for easy listening practice on this theme.

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>>17679865
飛んだ, as in 記憶が飛ぶ

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>>17679982
For everything apart from VNs, I prefer to use Windows 8.1. Metro is a superior for my general usage and going back to the old start bar and lack of decent hotkeys is awful.

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>>17680292
>Metro is a superior for my general usage
seek professional help

[Anonymous No.]

＞でかい土方恋人がいない
鬱陶しい

[Anonymous No.]

苦手意識
Japanese sure has some interesting set phrases that it can communicate in just four characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680434
膣内射精

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>>17680444

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>>17680460
婦女暴行

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680489
四字熟語

[Anonymous No.]

百花繚乱（ふりがな：このスレ）

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680499
あ、あのんーさんも

[Anonymous No.]

>長椅子
>長い椅子
流石日本語

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>>17680537
りゅうせきですね、まったく

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680537
奇居子

[Anonymous No.]

How the fuck do I remember grammar points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680633
1. read then look them up as you go in order to understand the sentence
2. repeat 1 n times

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>>17680642
But if I can't remember the point, how do I know what to look up?

[Anonymous No.]

you remembered what I wrote long enough to reply to it
from this evidence you have no mental impairment so i considered it (You) fishing now

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>>17680650
Remembering a few lines is quite a stretch from remembering a basic gist of all the grammar in a language.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

おかずがない

[Anonymous No.]

At how many cards should I start reading mangas and VNs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680670
オハヨウイモウト
イモウトノイチバンスキナ「サイドヂシュ」ワ？
ナニヲタベタイ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680670
どうぞ

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>>17680676
you should be able to read classical Japanese literature by now.

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>>17680676
Rikai/Yomichan makes it easy to look up words so they're not the biggest problem, but if you've done so few cards, you probably haven't finished your grammar guide yet, so worry more about plowing through that.

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>>17680680
ふとらせてからたべるきか？

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>>17680679
ボス？

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>>17680703
ニャニ？

[Anonymous No.]

How much is a good amount to read a day as a beginner? How do you guys usually split your time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680709
one volume of manga

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>>17680718
But I wanna read VNs

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>>17680733
read for 2 or 3 hours then i guess

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>>17680709
Bare minimum: spend as much time reading as I spent on Anki

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>>17680746
this sounds like a good enough suggestion to add to the guide

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>>17680709
Read until you get bored. Don't overthink it.

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>>17680855
あきるまえにあんきできないと

つづかないよね

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>>17680862
いや、読める段階に入ったらアンキはもう不要だ

[Anonymous No.]

Will anyone at all be able to tell the difference when you drop some sounds like the や in お土産 and pronounce it like おみあげ or pronounce 言う like ゆう?

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>>17680866
アンコはおいしい

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>>17680890
ぶっちゃけキモそう。うんこみたい

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>>17680908
こしあんは？

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>>17680908
>>17681069
どこかのブログでよんだ

あのんも

ごはんですよが

にがて？

[Anonymous No.]

Gomenasai fellow anons,

I'm having a spot of Anki trouble. Because I lapsed on using it for a long time, my deck is in a weird place. I'm getting 0 cards to review per day, because most of them are set to review a few months from now - that's just where they had been when I stopped reviewing. So for now I'm just learning new ones and not getting any reviews in, which isn't helpful. I've been trying to force it to work with custom study, but I've had no luck.

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>>17681184
are you sure you didn't travel back in time a year

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>>17681185
Fairly sure, yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680963
Where is "Spending hours discussing the best way to learn Japanese instead of studying Japanese"?

[Anonymous No.]

ごはんですよを

パンにつけても

おいしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17681348
日本のビールの中でどちが好きなの？

日本ってエールがあるか？

[Anonymous No.]

Do you ever feel like a big cunt when using keigo?
I mean, when people just want to chill and you shove this stuff up their ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17681402
よくわかんない

もやしもんで

「にほんのビールはぜんぶピルスナー」

っていってたかなあ

[Anonymous No.]

堪忍袋の緒が切れた

[Anonymous No.]

三十六計逃げるに如かず

[Anonymous No.]

>>17681402
甲類焼酎

[Anonymous No.]

Who is DJT's favourite Japanese film-maker?

Nightmare mode: No Akira Kurosawa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17681184
>So for now I'm just learning new ones and not getting any reviews in
You are at least getting the reviews of the new cards.
Good bait.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to start watching j-drama, since it's better listening practice than anime, but I don't really know how or where to find them

Are there any good sites that list j-drama and host streams or downloads?

I know it's a long shot but anything with Jap subs would also be useful

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>>17681562
you gotta revise your search terms because they are called doramas

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>>17681738
I was hoping there would be some recommended site you people would tell me about instead of me searching though hundreds of sites myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>17681544
Obviously Hayao Miyazaki

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>>17681754
sorry i havent watched one of those since like beautiful life in y2k

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>>17681562
Nyaa is not very good for dorama but it's about your only option. RuTracker is also worth checking. If the dorama you're watching has movies based off it, you can sometimes find uploads of those by Chinese groups like WiKi on TPB.

As a last resort, you might try looking through the archived pages of the now-dead d-addicts tracker:
https://web.archive.org/web/20141117072938/http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/torrents.php
(the search box actually works, but whether or not any result pages for your query were archived is another matter)

As for private trackers, AnimeBytes allows dorama but it hardly has any. I guess maybe it only allows ones based on manga. I think there's another private tracker for dorama called asiatorrents, but I don't have an account so I can't say what their selection is like.

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>>17681883
>TPB
Oh, and you can also check torrentz2.eu and rarbg.to if there's nothing on TBP.

torrentz2.eu is another last resort site for when Nyaa and RuTracker fail for TV episodes of dorama. I don't know how many of the sites which torrentz2 indexes are actually trustworthy though, so be careful about which links you click.

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>>17681883
>>17681897
Thanks! Shame there's not more of an organised place just for drama alone, but I'm sure I'll manage with those sites

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680709
Not a beginner (I'm intermediate) but I've decided to read one featured article per day on Wikipedia. My head is on fire.

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>>17663879
>そりゃー正論だろーけどさ。
Can somebody help me out?
Does that sentence mean the speaker thinks something's a fair argument or rather that he is asking himself weather that something was a fair argument or not?

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>>17681960
He admits it's a fair argument but still expresses doubt/unwillingness

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>>17681967
would you say that けど is a trailing "but"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17681971
Not him, but yeah, something like
>(...), but...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17681971
Technically yes but it has a bit different feel to it than the english "but" which is much less abstract. He doesn't need to have a concrete counterpoint to use けど.

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セーブしました。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680855
This. And whatever you're reading should be interesting/fun/entertaining enough that you can read it for at least an hour at a time without getting bored.

If you get bored after 5 minutes then you need to find something else to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17681984
>>17681977

Thanks, do you guys have any reading on the caveats of けど? I always find myself struggling with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680301
You have autism.

[Anonymous No.]

Good anki settings? My retention on vocab is pretty low.

[Anonymous No.]

Kino volume 1 doesn't load for me on the djt library site. http://djt.netlify.com/b/[%E6%99%82%E9%9B%A8%E6%B2%A2%E6%81%B5%E4%B8%80]%20%E3%82%AD%E3%83%8E%E3%81%AE%E6%97%85/index.html

It's no big deal, because it's uploaded in other formats, but now my bookmark is gone.

>>17682060
I use 3 steps for learning and 2 for relearning. Seems to work for me.

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>>17682060
You might want to read the section about reviews in the anki manual and then change the interval modifier.
https://apps.ankiweb.net/docs/manual.html#reviews

[Anonymous No.]

>>17682060
New cards no higher than 20.

Maximum reviews/day 9999.

Uncheck "Bury related reviews until the next day"

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>>17682327
>Uncheck "Bury related reviews until the next day"
Bad advice.

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>>17682354
Why?

Note that I said related reviews, not related new cards.

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>>17682208
Works for me. Probably just a temporary problem with the CDN.

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>>17682208
>>17682374
Works for me too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680889
If you say it fast and subtle enough, there's no way anyone would be able to tell.

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>>17680889
>pronounce 言う like ゆう
Some natives do say it like that.

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>>17680746
I'd like to challenge this on the following basis:
sometimes, Anki can take me 2 hours, depending on where my reviews fall.
Studying the same subject for four hours is enough to induce burnout, which can be discouraging.
But to your argument's merit, yes, reading is equally important as studying in isolation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17667380
This. Use left-aligned Comic Sans in #010101

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>>17682437
If your total study time is too high, Anki should be reduced, not reading.

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>>17682373
You should remember the words on their own not based on the reversed card.

Anyway the best way is kanji (or kana if kana-only word) to reading and meaning.
Production cards are beyond retarded, maybe if you are already at native level when it comes to comprehension.

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>>17682556
>Production cards are beyond retarded
Related cards aren't always production cards or otherwise simply flipped versions of existing cards. Mine aren't.

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まったく

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>>17682642

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>>17682576
So what are you doing? kana to kanji and meaning?

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>>17682384
>>17682374
Now it's back for me too.

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>>17682327
>New cards no higher than 20.
Are you a brainlet?

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THIRSTY

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>なんて美しい町！まるで海の上に町がひとつ浮かんでいるようですわ
I have a feeling this doesn't actually affect the meaning of the sentence, but in the interest of fully understanding, what's ひとつ doing there? Feels like "まるで海の上に町が浮かんでいる" would have worked just fine, but instead we have that ひとつ there and I don't know what to make of it.

Can't really fit it with the meaning I know/find on the dictionary such as one/only/not even etc.

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>>17683063
べねちあ？

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>879 replies
Can we make it to 1000?

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>>17683110
Probably not.

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>>17683063
I would guess it's like "by itself", but I dunno if ひとつ can be used in that sense.

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>>17683128
>"by itself"
As in "alone", not "of its own volition", in case that wasn't clear.

Again, I'm guessing.

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>>17683128
>>17683137
Found a definition in daijisen which seems to show that this meaning is possible (though maybe I'm just misinterpreting it):
>名詞の下に付いて、それ以外にはないことを強調する語。…だけ。「身―で脱出する」「母の手―で育てられる」「行くか行かないかは自分の決心―だ」
(the ― bits in the example sentences in J-J dictionaries are placeholders for the word being defined, so ― in this case = 一つ)

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>>17683166
>「母の手―で育てられる」

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>>17683166
Ah no, wait. The definition says that it has to be attached directly to another noun in this usage, and all the example sentences follow that rule, whereas in your sentence it follows が.

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>>17683110
Let's give it a shot. What's your favorite Yojijukugo? Mine is 酔生夢死

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683280
四字熟語

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>>17683280
I don't really remember them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683280
阿鼻叫喚

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683280
嫌中憎韓

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683280
相思相愛

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683280
絶対領域

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>>17683280

That reminds me, when playing through FF7 untranslated it was real neat to realize all of Yuffie's limit breaks except for Bloodfest (血祭り) were originally yojijukugo.

Greased Lightning = 疾風迅雷
Clear Tranquil = 明鏡止水
Landscaper = 抜山蓋世
Gauntlet = 鎧袖一触
Doom of the Living = 生者必滅
All Creation = 森羅万象

[Anonymous No.]

What is the best prefecture and why is it 高知県?

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>>17683351
Nice.

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>>17683351
haha welcome to everything shonen ever

[Anonymous No.]

Where do I download bijuarunoberu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683413
On your local torrento saito obviously

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683413
Steam

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683420
The only daunrohdo for the bijuarunoberu I want on meow has no siizu

>>17683429
It's not on sutiimu

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>>17683413
Learn how to use the internet

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>>17683437
Let's not kick up any dorama here

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>>17683437
Already checked the public torento torakkaa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683452
please talk normally, jesus christ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683462
I am talking normally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683321
>so she, so i
流石日本語

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>>17683462
We're in DJT ando learning Japanese. We need to spiiku with korrekuto diction at all times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683482
Yeah don't know why anon is starting dorama about something so toribiaru.

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of correct diction--colour me retarded. I only just now noticed that all the entries from Daijirin at weblio have the accent pattern denoted with a number. Now I can pronounce them all perfectly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683499
It's great, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

初めまして、it's my first post here. I used to study Japanese at the Uni, did 2 and a half semseters, learned about 1800 kanji in theory (each with all popular and some out of the bush conjunctions). Studied only to pass weekly exams, hated studying kanji. The system back then was to hand us a paper copy of a set of kanji we were supposed to know with conjuctions, readings, stroke order and sample sentences. We were required to know everything including writing stroke order. No tips etc. other than "just grind it". It was a nightmare for me. I did very well in conversation classes, I did OK with grammar, but kanji were terrible. I finally gave up and dropped out of the Uni last semester because I was faced with extra exams to pass kanji requirements. It was about 10 years ago. Now I am trying to get a job at Japanese gamedev company, so I am back to studying. Now I study kanji without learning how to write (produce). I just learn reading and meaning. It is a game changer. It goes so fast compared to my past experience. I guess Anki is a big improvement too. I started with radicals along Core6k. It is so much fun now. みんな、よろしく、ね！

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>>17683507
夜、露、死、苦！
It may be awkward not being able to physically write kanji if you move to Japan, but online, not being able to write will pose next to no problems.

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>>17683507
Sorry you had to go through that

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>>17683516
>It may be awkward not being able to physically write kanji if you move to Japan
As long as you remember the basic principles of stroke order and know how to write the names of your bosses (if you have any) it's not going to be awkward at all.

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>>17683519
I can say with confidence if you don't semi-frequently practice writing kanji, you simply will not be able to write anything meaningful with kanji at all.

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>>17683522
I can say from experience that if you actually know how to write a particular character then going without writing it for two years isn't going to change that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683525
My experience differs, at which point we can no longer converse, for no amount of argumentation overrides personal experience.

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>>17683501
There is no fucking way I am not going to be fluent before 2020 at this pace. I took the time this week to learn school grammar as well so now I understand what 五段, 下一段 and 上一段 conjugations are, what the bases are, and how the rest of the stuff is called. It's not very solid linguistically, though, but everyone in Japan uses it, and that enables me to understand their explanations of 国語.

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>>17683516
Thank you!
As for writing, I will be fine, I studied that back in the days, so I know general rules and I can guess stroke order pretty accurately, if needed. Actually in theory Japanese is not even required to land a job, but I am willing to go that extra mile since fundamentals are already there for me. Also I believe it will help me greatly in settling there in a long game. I seriously doubt it will handicap my day to day experience in any way. I am gaijin after all, it will be fine if I ask for help kek.
>>17683522
I am not going to write anything by hand. Only digital. I know it might seem lazy, but I have hard time imagining any real life scenario where I have to use that ability more than once every year maybe. Unless we are talking impressing girls at the bar, but it is not my think anyways.

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>>17683525
this depends entirely on the person and doesnt actually matter

by the way plenty of authentic japanese people forget how to write a kanji here or there as time passes and the electronic age has a vice grip on the testicles of society

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683431
>>17683452
>>17683413
du yuu torai taipu za neemu inu japaniizu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683522
I can say with confidence if you don't semi-frequently practice reading kanji, you simply will not be able to read anything meaningful with kanji at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683552
Yaaaaawn, false equivalence, try again when you're older kiddo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683555
I wasn't arguing with you. Take your dementia medicine, くそじじ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683507
Writing kanji is a waste of time, but I do it anyway because I love it. My proportions are calligraphic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683562

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>>17683569
>unjoined writing
american """""""caligraphy"""""""

[Anonymous No.]

Why do we tell beginners to read manga when reading VNs with a texthooker is so much easier and faster?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683708
a few reasons come to mind
>manga is very rarely narrated, its mostly dialog
>art is way more descriptive
>its sectioned neatly into chapters and volumes giving a clearer goal early on
>furigana so even if you can't hook, lookup is easy
>theres a very nice reading pack for yotubato
>no music distractions
VNs voiced lines and no handwritten scribbles are about the only advantage

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683742
>>manga is very rarely narrated, its mostly dialog
>narration is hard

>>its sectioned neatly into chapters and volumes giving a clearer goal early on
You mean like "I finished a chapter so now I've done my reading for today!"?

>>furigana so even if you can't hook, lookup is easy
Nowhere near as quick, and if you're only typing out the individual words you don't know then you'll be lost when it comes to idioms since you won't realise you're dealing with an entire phrase that needs to be looked up.

>>theres a very nice reading pack for yotubato
Which lasts for a whole 16 chapters. Wow.

>>no music distractions
How is monotonous background instrumental-only music distracting?

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>>17683768
>Which lasts for a whole 16 chapters. Wow.
Scratch that. Just checked and it's actually only 14 chapters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683585
traditional calligraphy is unjoined bro, the miniscule letter forms are literally calligraphy

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683742
>>17683708
Books are superior to both.
Never a problem to lookup words thanks to yomichan (so better than manga), shorter that VNs so you feel like you are moving forward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683797
Oh and I obviously meant LNs, real novels can be lengthy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683708
Because no VN is as fun and easy as Yotsubato

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683816
zettai reiiki is better than both

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683768
>narration is hard
Yeah, its way more dense compared to dialog. Even with slang.
>You mean like "I finished a chapter so now I've done my reading for today!"?
When do you end reading a VN? You can go all day.
>Nowhere near as quick, and if you're only typing out the individual words you don't know then you'll be lost when it comes to idioms since you won't realize you're dealing with an entire phrase that needs to be looked up.
Slightly slower, I agree. Big deal. If you don't understand the idiom, you won't understand the sentence and they shouldn't continue until they do, so I don't know what you're getting at there.
>Which lasts for a whole 16 chapters. Wow.
A single page is a lot for a beginner.
>How is monotonous background instrumental-only music distracting?
The brain has limited resources, all should be dedicated visually.
You appear to have wholly forgotten what it means to be brand new to the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683708
Only beginners tell beginners to read manga. They do it because they make the mistake of thinking that because there are fewer words that will make it easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683943
I tell beginners to read manga because I read manga and it made me learn japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

When a sentence has about 8 commas in it, how on earth am I supposed to pause it? Is it just the narration being conversational, and those might as well be periods?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683971
Pretend they're semicolons.

Unless they come after a conjunction like から or けど, then they're commas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683974
Thanks, that will probably help me peel this stuff apart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683928
>When do you end reading a VN? You can go all day.
Exactly. It's a lot harder for someone to say "okay, I've read a chapter, now I don't have to do anymore and can feel good about myself".

Reading a single manga chapter a day and telling yourself that you've accomplished something is like listening to music and telling yourself you're practising listening comprehension. It's a convenient lie.

>won't understand the sentence and they shouldn't continue until they do
Terrible advice. This is how you get beginners spending an hour just reading 20 pages of manga (which amounts to hardly anything) or getting stuck on a single sentence for half an hour because they couldn't just move on from it and instead had to ask DJT for help and then wait around for ages for somebody to answer them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683562
>My proportions are calligraphic
What does this mean? I'd like to learn writing but it seems like a big time sink.

[Anonymous No.]

Quick, someone start an autism-intensive argument about grammar so we can make it to 1k before the thread dies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684017
Sakubi is better than Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683996
They're well-proportioned beyond what fonts suggest and they are consistent. I've spent many hours copying characters from kakijun.jp and writing them with pencil. I don't actually do calligraphy or anything; I just used this site to learn the stroke order for writing and I started paying attention to the small details while I was at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684020
Honestly I've never looked at Sakubi but Tae Kim was monotonous to get through. DoJG is the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684020
What the fuck did you just say about my preferred grammar guide, you onore yatsu!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684027
https://sakubi.neocities.org/#questions

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684027
Can't help but agree. I only recently started using DOJG after finishing my grammar guide of choice, and I feel like its explanations are not only clearer, with more examples, but they also stick better. Sometimes certain things don't seem to be in there, but that's probably on me. And don't ask me for concrete examples of information it doesn't contain, because I can't think of any off the top of my head, I just recall not being able to find something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684023
Also, the reason I took to learning to write was when I wanted to show off and write the phrase きれいにしてちょうだい in kanji and found myself able to write fuckall. No one noticed, but it was a personal embarrassment for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684085
And what's great is that even if there are things you can't find it's not too hard to look it up online. Most of the grammar forms you need are in the series.

[Anonymous No.]

HJGP obsoletes DOJG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684027
DoJG is shitty and outdated. HJGP is the connoisseur's grammar resource. If you use DoJG you need to get the fuck out of here. Also, the authors of DoJG are gay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684141
JECG is better than both of those

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684120
>>17684141
Is it available as text anywhere? The only versions I found are actual scans of pages, so searching through it is more effort than I want to put in when I want to look something up really quick while reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684153
Only scans but OCRing English is very easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684153
No. Also, I was joking (>>17684017)
I mean, HJGP *is* good from what I've seen, but DoJG is good too. I haven't used either extensively enough to compare them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684161
HJGP contains more information than DOJG and makes it easier to find.

[Anonymous No.]

Is sakubi any good or is it just a meme?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684227
Grammar guides are just a means of building a foundation to get you reading. After that it's all grammar dictionaries. In that regard, Sakubi is nice because it's extremely concise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684227
there isnt a guide better at demonstrating that knowledge /= understanding than sakubee

[Anonymous No.]

Whoever made https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/ can you upload a zip of the downscaled pages you're using?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684153
Use an OCR image viewer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684238
So you wouldn't recommend it then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684264
no but im also not saying that someone cant get a piece of something useful out of it either

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684238
How do you mean? I haven't checked it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684233
>tfw read a bunch of grammar guides but stil dont really know any grammar when I try to read

why am I such a brainlet

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684281
its not entirely your fault
you just need structure otherwise its like if the human body had no skeleton

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684288
So what do you suggest?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684296
sakubi

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684297
So, you think the structure of Sakubi is more condusive to learning, or?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684296
no not sakubi
theres some people who can create their own curriculum and set realistic and attainable short term goals and measure their own progress as they hit milestone after milestone
and theres some who just bounce around between various resources on the net with this thread being no exception and are just boundless and struggling to glimpse the kagayaki mirai living only as a giant sack of boneless meat and organs and tissue

and then theres a third type youtu.be/qayqvSdmF30#t=52

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684327
sakubi is designed to keep beginners from getting stuck in beginner's resources hell

you won't be able to remember anything from the second half of it unless you start consuming normal japanese, because it takes off the gloves and starts mentioning communication and semantics instead of droning on about grammatical ideas like most grammar guides do

>"His own" and "himself" have the property of being "reflexive". You already know how it works, "reflexive" is just the jargon used for it. When you need to do something reflexive in japanese, 自分 fulfills this behavior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684253
picture related

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683280

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684358
Do native speakers just keep these memorized?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684343
stored between sessions
128 160 245 194 Nのあいだ\n 0 25
118 199 241 231 Nのあいだ\n 0 25
237 200 333 229 (space)\n 0 25
968 39 1031 71 あいだ\n 0 25
128 236 505 276 ステレオと 本棚の間にテレビを 置いた。\n 0 25
121 279 533 347 I placed the television between the stereo\nand the bookshelf.\n 0 25
126 358 533 391 古本を買ったら、ページの間に1万円札\n 0 25
124 394 311 431 がはさまっていた。\n 0 25
343 392 537 438 When I bought a\n 0 25
121 433 535 501 secondhand book, I found a 10,000 yen\nbill between the pages.\n 0 25
124 512 536 550 大阪までの間のどこかで駅弁を買って食\n 0 25
123 549 202 589 べよう。\n 0 25
236 549 534 590 I'll buy lunch (a lunch box) at\n 0 25
121 591 538 629 a station somewhere before Osaka and eat\n 0 25
119 629 159 666 it.\n 0 25
75 672 150 702 あいだ\n 0 25
147 671 536 701 indicates a space between two places/\n 0 25
77 702 542 733 things. When both things or places are indicated,\n 0 25
76 727 224 759 NとNのあいだ\n 0 25
224 727 385 762 is used, as in (1).\n 0 25

(multi-line works fine, most OCR just has problems with mixed language text even when it supports it)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684366
if you know the kanjis oftentimes you get it at first glance
the way english speakers learn kanji with stupid shit like rtk or whatever should make kanji even easier because you dont need to even know japanese to get it as long as you remembered the kanji

[Anonymous No.]

I think the real secret to being good at Japanese is to just not give a fuck how good you are at Japanese and enjoy things
like if you wanna go to Japan and prove that white people can integrate into honorabur nipponese society and learn to express yourself eloquently in Japanese then by all means go for it but that's a skill all on its own
if you just want to read porn games in Japanese then read those porn games and rub your dick raw, after you've read a bunch of them you'll get pretty good at it
if you're like me and you like reading manga and watching anime and can pretty much understand everything they say and want to translate it into English so other people who don't know Japanese can enjoy them too then do that, that's a whole separate skill from just reading, or being able to speak/write in the language, it's more about being a good writer than being fluent in Japanese
just do what you love, man
don't spend all your time in here comparing your nippongo skills to the other losers
just do what you love
pointless 下げ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684366
I'm not a native speaker and I don't even know what that VN is but I understand these words. 文武両道 I read once in a description to the character Umi Sonoda of μ's, but it's not hard to understand what it is from looking at it. 質実剛健 I understand because I know 質実 and 剛健 individually. 眉目秀麗 is recognisable as a compound of 眉目 and 秀麗 to me, as well as from context. Basically, she wants him to be smart, athletic, a man of action and to look it, too.

[Anonymous No.]

By my estimate it would take over 7000 minutes for a single person to OCR HJGP. Good luck with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684385
I just love shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684414
same

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684366
you probably know more idioms than you realize in english or your native

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684243
https://mega.nz/#!4IJyTQ5b!HEvEVky2AuLJbio6faQA0AHcC2y_b_2WlXTvauZb1yE

Doesn't include the introduction or appendix. You can easily do those with imagemagick if you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684421
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683110
>>17683118
Or maybe so.

[Anonymous No.]

just ten posts away from 1000 boys

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684358
I have all three in my Anki deck. Feels good to be superior to reading drones.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684442
I don't even use Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

It feels so weird to know all the words in something only because of the furigana. Like you don't have to look anything up, just knowing that it's pronounced a certain way and what the kanji looks like suddenly tells you exactly what the word represents. It's so weird.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684385
I'm trying to do what I love but I can't understand anything I'm reading. It just took me an hour to read 4 pages of a manga I wanted to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684460
Just read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684460
Do more Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>1000
we did it reddit!

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, I have been looking like crazy and I can't figure this out. I am pretty sure the left kanji is '狩' but I'm not sure. Can anyone please read this for me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684491
looks like 持 to me

[Anonymous No.]

its 特 i know pretty much the same thing right

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684495
Oh wow, thats an incredibly common kanji and one I know well when its in anki. I guess that would make sense. Thanks thats a great start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684505
特攻だよ
神風のこと

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684466
バンザイ

[Anonymous No.]

google 特攻服 for cool dudes

[Anonymous No.]

you know what they say about guys with big hair

[Anonymous No.]

きっとシャングリラだよ、君となら
合言葉：林檎もぎれビーム

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684589
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm3957691

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684460
Don't listen to them, read NHK easy. You can use rikaisama and actually read and comprehend the news, it's pretty satisfying. After a few weeks you can move to normal NHK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684597
some peoples goals are to learn how to ride japanese bike with their own power and not ride on training wheels forever

[Anonymous No.]

uhm...new thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684616
Not until this one is dead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684599
Is this a new pasta?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684616
Take it easy. This one needs to die first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684621
yea click the いいね button and share with your ともだちs lol

[Anonymous No.]

死ねばよい
このクソスレが

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684634
お前はもう...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684645
なに！！！？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684238
This. Sakubi is a "How To Ride A Bike" book written by someone who has read things about riding bikes but can't actually ride one himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17664495
>Now that Sukebei is gone?
I used sukebei earlier today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684296
Have you tried reading more than a handful of manga pages?

It's funny how for everything except languages, common sense tells people that they can't get good at something without actually practising it. For language learning though, everyone seems to think they get good at it by reading books about it.

If you read a hundred books about archery, would you be able to pick up a bow and hit a bullseye on your first shot? No? Then why do you think that you can do the equivalent with Japanese?

Knowing ABOUT Japanese and KNOWING Japanese are two different things. You learn Japanese the same way that you learned English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684662
that's funny because it reads like the exact opposite

tae kim:
> push on the pedals to make the wheel turn. you lift up the bike and let the wheels spin in the air to see what it's doing. when you want to move out, sit on it and start pedaling. don't let the bike fall over before you start moving. it's easier to keep your balance when you're moving fast because of centripetal forces, so don't chicken out. remember to wear a helmet.

genki:
> the pedals are attached to the crankarm. the crankset pushes the chainring and the wheels are rotated according to the total gear ratio of the mechanical system. to start riding, place yourself on the seat and start moving forward, pedaling to retain momentum. when going around turns, remember to lean into them, or you'll lose your balance.

sakubi:
> people use bikes because walking long distances takes a long time. bikes are faster. you can only learn to use a bike through experience. starting out on a bike looks something like, straddle the bike with your feet on the ground, push it forward, and start pedaling before it loses momentum. you have to get above a certain speed before it stops wanting to fall over. this speed depends on your weight and coordination.
>(bikes are designed so that moving fast keeps them from wanting to fall over. there are at least three forces that keep them upright, they all need the bike to be in motion. this is why you can ride your bike "with no handlebars".)

[sag3e No.]

whadda you know about what I know about Japanese, はあ?
この野郎

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684724
Tae Kim knows Japanese. The authors of Genki know Japanese. Whoever wrote Sakubi, by his own admission, doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684742
>Tae Kim knows Japanese
tae kim learned japanese as a korean speaker, which is completely different from learning it as an english native

>The authors of Genki know Japanese
the authors of genki are a hodge podge of japanese natives and english native grammarians

>Whoever wrote Sakubi, by his own admission, doesn't.
well apparently "knowing japanese" is less important than knowing how to learn it

[sag3e No.]

what purpose do all these metaphors even SERVE my tomodachis?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684749
no idea but i have some nice meat a phor you *whips out dick*

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684748
>tae kim learned japanese as a korean speaker, which is completely different from learning it as an english native
This doesn't contradict what I said.

>the authors of genki are a hodge podge of japanese natives and english native grammarians
This doesn't contradict what I said.

Good job writing a whole lot of nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684762
>This doesn't contradict what I said.
it contradicts your assumptions

>This doesn't contradict what I said.
it contradicts your assumptions

nobody has ever learned a language by being instructed about it. it's not remotely like math where it's basically impossible to learn it all without being instructed by someone else who knows it all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684763
>it contradicts your assumptions
It doesn't. I made no assumptions, only stated facts.

Tae Kim does know Japanese. The authors of Genki do know Japanese. Sakubi's author admits that he doesn't, and as proof many of the example sentences which he wrote for his guide had to be removed (and replaced with sentences he copy-pasted from VNs) because they were wrong.

>nobody has ever learned a language by being instructed about it
And? Tae Kim says in his blog that you can't learn Japanese without actually reading/listening to it. You act like this is some unique philosophy of Sakubi when in reality he's just parroting what other people have been saying for over a decade.

[Anonymous No.]

Tae Kim a.k.a. still studying but who cares because his guide is obviously better than textbooks despite the wild difference in credentials.

https://twitter.com/kimchi314/status/909475739375869954

[Anonymous No.]

You don't need to have autistic grammar arguments anymore, we already reached 1000 posts

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684774
>and as proof many of the example sentences which he wrote for his guide had to be removed
Not a single example sentence was removed from Sakubi because of being wrong.

>(and replaced with sentences he copy-pasted from VNs)
The lines from VNs never replaced other example sentences.

Imabi and Tae Kim both had example sentences with errors in them until they were corrected by natives. You're acting like this is different. It's not.

>The authors of Genki do know Japanese.
Too bad Genki is a college textbook and therefore completely fucking worthless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684774
>I made no assumptions
wrong

>Tae Kim does know Japanese
see >>17684775

>The authors of Genki do know Japanese
they never learned it as a second language

>Sakubi's author admits that he doesn't,
he said he wasn't fluent, not that he doesn't know japanese

tae kim had not known japanese for long enough to have native-like fluency when he wrote his guide

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684785
>Not a single example sentence was removed from Sakubi because of being wrong.
>this denial

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684788
>wrong
wrong

>see >>17684775
>he can't write kanji from memory so he doesn't know Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684791
I have probably half of the versions of Sakubi since he uploaded them one at a time to unique URLs. I can say that with some kind of certainty. The only time example sentences were removed was when a given lesson itself was being edited.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese learners are ugly lol

[Anonymous No.]

>助けてもらう
>助かってもらう
Which one is right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684783
Is this the first DJT on /jp/ to reach 1000?

[Anonymous No.]

間違ってる
皆間違ってる
名詞を消した
もうsag3eじゃないんだ
酔ってるけどな？
これを投稿、ポストする？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684806
I think we might have had some before but usually they do end before hitting 1000 posts. This one probably has the most posts now though

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684804
It's true. I've had a huge zit in the corner of my mouth for two weeks now, and another right where my left nostril meets my face.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684805
whichever fits the transitivity of those 2 different verbs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17684853
Wrong.