umineko/seacats

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one last thread edition
and then there were none

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>>17632577
Is this an official sprite? When does it appears?

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>>17632965
I believe chapter 4 of higurashi. Akasaka arc

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>>17632577

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>>17633003
Rika has one too, I didn't know about those!
It's very cute, I love it when artists make small efforts like this.

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lmao why are there two threads?
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>>17633049
Lack of communication, the one that gets migrated to more will survive, the other will die

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>>17633049
Dumb idiot doesn't know how to use the catalog.

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Magic is not real.

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Which Umineko EP were you most looking forward to back when we were waiting for the translations?

Has to be EP5 for me. I thought they'd be like the Answer Arcs of Higurashi, and that Erika portrait really intrigued me. Turned out to be my favorite EP in the end as well.

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anon

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>>17633007
There's a distinct lack of flat in Ryu-chan's work I feel. Rika and Maria are the only confirmed flats. Erika and Bernkastel change all the time. Most of his characters have enormous breasts and I for one would like WTC5 to have more loli's or flat-chested older women.

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>>17633091
Baetrishy?

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Been away for a months or two. Seems like there's a lot more shitposting going around rather than discussion and original mysteries and the like. Have I missed something? Is it the Steam people invading or something?

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>>17633091

beato

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>>17633123
The end of last thread was awful thanks to the shitposting ban-evader, but aside from that nothing really changed

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>>17633137
ANON

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>>17633138
Must've come back at a bad moment then. Good to hear it's not always like that these days. I did notice a lack of threads in recent times though. Maybe shitposters just try to keep the threads alive (in the most stupid way).

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Episodes 1-4 or 5-8, which do you prefer?

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>>17633158
No, I'm pretty sure they were trying to wreak the thread. Kept pretending to be other people and recommending we stop making threads.

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>>17633090
Luckily, I started umineko long after it was already translated so I didn't have to wait at all.

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>>17633143

BEATO

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>>17633161
personally 1-4

Had more Beatrice

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I want the next WTC to be set in a tower block. We've had a secluded village, we've had a secluded island, let's have it set in a city but the main focus is on the tower block. You can seclude it by making it only accessible by a key card, so the story can focus only on the residents. Or something like an exclusive hotel to minimize the number of characters.

You'd have the hotel staff, a number of rich business people staying over, a couple who won a free luxury trip there, stuff like that. I just think WTC works because of its secluded setting, and the cruise ship/airplane setting is already very overdone.

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>>17633187
I both envy you and pity you. I loved the tension of waiting for the next installment and talking about what would happen next, it was quite an experience to read Umineko while constantly waiting for the next release

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13931389
http://www.strawpoll.me/13931389
http://www.strawpoll.me/13931389

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>>17633138
I guess you mean me? I didn't ban evade at all and just shitposted at the end of the thread, for the most part I acted very nice. I was only mocking the waifufags as a joke. The two pretentious nerds before that were more annoying.
>>17633170
Gosh it was just a joke, and I never pretended to be someone else.

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>>17633215
>themes and philosophy at 50%
So what the hell was the last part of the last thread about?

>>17633230
I'm not sure if he's talking about you. I was more annoyed at the obvious bait guy who kept referring to people as uneducated monkeys just because he didn't agree with the views presented.

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How many people have you managed to convince to try reading Higurashi or Umineko? What did it take to convince them?

Reading Umineko can be a serious commitment with how long and complex it can be, so I find it difficult to really encourage people to give it a chance. Even the Steam version isn't released per episode like Higurashi, it's the first four bundled together.

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>>17633203
Yep, also I'm guessing the most exciting part of waiting between episodes was discussing the different theories with everyone as well. Surely everything was more different back then.
>>17633249
The pretentious anon I was talking about, yes.

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>>17633260
I haven't had the guts to convince people. I know plenty people who watched the Higurashi anime and loved it for the gore and stuff.
I don't have want to recommend the Umineko anime either for obvious reasons. But it's hard to sell the idea of an 8-story visual novel series to people who only watch One Piece, Naruto, and liked Higurashi for its gore. Even explaining the concept of a VN feels like too much.

I would fucking love to get a friend to read Umineko though, just so I could poke him about theories and such.

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>>17633161
questions arc if only because it didn't have as much ange

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>>17633283
>Yep, also I'm guessing the most exciting part of waiting between episodes was discussing the different theories with everyone as well. Surely everything was more different back then.
It was such an amazing time. I only got into it when EP3 was released but the theories and speculation was amazing, something I will always cherish.

>The pretentious anon I was talking about, yes.
I actually agreed with the anon talking about philosophy in Umineko. A bit overdone, but I saw his point. No idea why that other anon started to shitpost about monkeys or whatever. I think the deleted posts speak for themselves.

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>>17633260
I could never convince people to read Umineko unless I knew they were way into that shit
Isn't it like 3 times the size of Lord of the Rings? It's a fucking commitment man. It's different when you were waiting for new releases, but throwing 9000 pages of writing at anyone will make anyone take a step back unless like I said they were really into it

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>>17633302
>I actually agreed with the anon talking about philosophy in Umineko. A bit overdone, but I saw his point.
Same.

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>>17633348
Please stop talking to it

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>>17632577
How can a little girl that assaults police officers be so cute?

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>>17633348
Glad I'm not alone.

>>17633356
Good point. There's been a lot of deleted posts sparked from that particular discussion.

Let's get back on topic.
What;s your favourite Battler-pointing-at-the-screen moment?
Probably the end of EP2 for me, with Battler appearing and suggesting slicing up Beato's tits for a delicious sandwich.

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>>17633385
Fuck my arse, Matt Berry would be perfect for the Hollywood adaptation of Umineko. His voice is glorious.

"I suggest it was SMALL BOMBS, Beatrice, SMALL BOMBS indeed. I dare you to deny it, you sexy minx. Oooooh."

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>>17633260
It was the opposite for me, a friend of mine recommended me the anime and then I moved to the VN out of curiosity. I didn't knew how long it was but I was already hooked so I didn't care. Personally, I think I would recommend higu first, to avoid confusion about certain characters and to see if they enjoy Ryukishi's work. If they seems interested and want more you can recommend umi with no trouble, though if possible I would avoid mentioning how long it would take to finish it, after all if they really enjoy what they're reading it wouldn't matter.
>>17633302
I thought it was the same person who suddenly started calling the other anon monkey, but whatever.

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>>17633286
>Even explaining the concept of a VN feels like too much.
The way I try to explain to others is that the sound effects and music create a far more immersive experience for reading compared to a normal book, that's why it sells itself as a Sound Novel rather than a Visual Novel. Sound and music can be used very effectively when it comes to horror, and I sometimes listen to Higurashi's anime soundtrack while reading spooky stories.
But there's also the expectation of detailed CGs or multiple choices and endings like other VNs, which Higurashi and Umineko lacks. There's mods to give it the PS3 graphics and voice acting to make it more appealing, but I find that the voice acting gets in the way of reading at your own pace. The voice acting is still really good, but I'd personally suggest holding off on it for a re-read if it can be helped.

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>>17633385
When he declares that his enemy isn't Beato, but Eva-Beatrice.

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>>17633403
I started with the anime as well, and dropped it halfway to start reading the VNs, but not everyone's that way. In my circle, nobody even knows of the existence of VNs. So I feel it'd be hard to persuade them to read a "book", which they dislike in and of itself anyway.

>I thought it was the same person who suddenly started calling the other anon monkey, but whatever.
Oh no, I was the one who started talking about philosophy and metaphysics, hoping to get a good discussion going. It was some other anon who decided I was pretentious and started some irrelevant feud that just fucked up the thread. Maybe I'll try having a serious discussion on Umineko's themes and inspirations some other time, but for now I'll just let it lie because some (or one) of us doesn't like delving deeper into the subject of what has basically become a general for years now.

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>>17633404
I could try selling it as a sound/visual experience, but from what I know of my friends they only loved Higurashi for the gore, not the story. It's like Elfen Lied or whatever it's called, they like the shock of seeing that stuff animated, but don't seem to care about the story, which is really important for Umineko.

>I sometimes listen to Higurashi's anime soundtrack while reading spooky stories.
I've made a habit of listening to Stupefaction while looking out of my window in the dead of night. It's spooky and really unnerving but I love it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X76lu7TCvOg

Any other unnerving Umineko music I forgot about?

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>>17633260
I had to fight that fucker for the longest time.

>Dude it's a great VN, read it
>Uuuugh, but I can't get the PS3 patch working and I don't want boxing gloves
>Just fucking share the screen, I'll set everything up for you, you lazy fuck
>uuugh, I don't feel like it today

It was like this for about 2 months until he caved in and I got the PS3 patch running on his computer. He read about an episode per 1-2 weeks and whenever he finished an episode, we would discuss what he thought about it.

It was amazing, seeing his thoughts on the whole thing. Many times he came close to the truth, and sometimes he even unraveled pieces of the puzzle on his own. He's a lot more of a feely type than me, so he was more in tune with Beatrice's message and he was an avid supporter of magic, yet he still tried to look for answers in the story, but unlike me, he didn't ignore the parts about love etc. so he got a lot closer than I did to the truth. He ignored the locked room mysteries and just focused on who is Beatrice and what is magic.

He picked magic ending. Obviously we're not friends anymore.

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Are the Higurashi spinoffs any good?

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>>17633517
Umineko is alright until episode 6, then it kinda goes off the rails. The ending is bad.

RGD is just kinda there. It's completely unremarkable.

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>>17633517
Tomoe had a nice voice but I'm not a fan of any of the spinoff arcs.
Also outright hated 宵越し編. Wish I could unread it.

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>>17633517
That's not what I meant. I'm talking about the plethora of extra Higurashi arcs that keep being added with each remake, usually staring >>17633517 and a bunch of other literally whos instead of K1 and the gang.

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>>17633553
Meant for >>17633523

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>>17633517
>>17633553
I only read that one arc that was translated a few months back, but it was pretty decent. Doesn't match the quality of the original arcs though.

Natsumi is cute.

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>>17633517
Worse than Kira.

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>>17633593
But Kira was good

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>>17633420
I understand, I watched the anime (higu) until the end and enjoyed a lot, then umi but didn't like it as much so I dropped it around the middle. I didn't know what a VN was back then and I wasn't part of any anime community in tumblr, 4chan or anything so I was still kind of innocent about anime as a whole. I learned about it lurking around google images, some pic of the vn, and then I search it and downloaded higu, and the umi.
Very few of my irl friends watch anime, much less VNs. I don't remember the last time I talked about anime with them, like it's not our major interest and it's like a secret part of myself, and not a very importand one. Honestly I'm not the type of person who force my taste (about anime) to others, I might try to recommend the VNs if the opportunity appears, but if that comes to nothing I wouldn't really mind.

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>>17633523
>The ending is bad.
"Congratulations!"

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>>17633610
Yeah it was.

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>>17633610
If you said so.

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>>17633644
where the fuck is beatriche?

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>>17633664
Who?

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>>17633664
You are Beatrice.

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>>17633684
Thank you, anon.

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>>17633640
Fucking normalfags

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>>17633523
>>17633644
Why do you think the ending is bad?
I enjoyed and even wept like the little bitch I am after realizing the implications of everything. I thought it was a wonderful way to end the series.

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Takano no being 34 cannot be a rouge hareng. I refuse to believe its mere logical fallacy, just as battler refused witches in the beginning. Or isit just me?

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>>17633829
>implying there's something wrong with that or anything that's written in that post.

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>>17635182
Ryukishi himself said it what nothing but a red herring, so there's nothing more to say. You can also think is just a cruel joke of Lambdadelta towards Bernkastel.

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>>17635215
>cruel joke of Lambdadelta towards Bernkastel
Now I like that approach

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>>17635228
Well, she's a witch so changing her look doesn't seems to unrealistic. In reality she might looks like the evil witch grandma from Snow White

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>>17635248
or maybe like this

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>>17635251
No, evil witch grandma from Snow White is more funny.

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>>17633260
Since my sister is into detective novels i managed to convince her to read it. However being the way she is, she dropped it after episode two saying it's far too long and the sprites were overly bosomed triggering her feminazi ideals. She did enjoy it for what it was but then again she just didn't have the patience nor the visual aestetics to understand the beauty of all the characters. Note that i even made it so she could play with the original sprites not the PS3 but that wasn't enough. And the fact that she couldn't figure out what was going on from the getgo was another nail in the coffin i guess...

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>>17635397
The unreliable narration before ch3 can be a bit of a bend in the road if you're not looking for it.

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>>17635423
Was I the only one who caught onto the narration early on? The quotation marks around everything gave it away immediately that we are probably reading a book or something, and not witnessing the actual events. Notably, there is one or two ???? without the quotations

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>>17635397
Well, what did you expect? This is nothing like reading a detective novel and it feels like mostly bizarre. From the moment you take look at the characters, regardless of what they are saying, you're aware that is more like watching a cartoon instead of reading a book, which makes you to not take it too seriously from the beginning. It's simply not the same, not everyone takes these mix of childishness and seriousness lightly, feels weird and silly at the beginning and might bored someone who is not used to these kind of animation, and it's not like she's wrong about some characters.
It's not because the story is difficult, it just depends of the person. I started with Card Captor Sakura and then moved from there to more mature/funny stuff, slowly. And seriously did you really use the original sprites? They looks boring.
>>17635433
I didn't know what the hell was happening until later. The ride was entertaining and I just wanted to enjoy it, plus the despair of Battler.

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>>17635625
>Card Captor Sakura

Muh nigga.

6 years after that it was Haruhi, and I was hooked.

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Why can't Rosa find a good husband? She's still quite young, has good looks, and is from a rich family. Even if she has a kid already, I'd imagine she'd have plenty of suitors

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>>17637107
We already saw it in ep 2 I think. The guy just ran away from her when he realized she was abandoning Maria so she could meet with guys. Or she just kicked him out when he suggested they take Maria with.

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>>17637232
Sure, she's not the greatest person ever, but she'd got good lucks and wealth. I guess the psycho stuff gets in the way, but still.

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>>17637232
Wasn't that what Maria thought happened when in actuality she went to a secret meeting with her siblings to discuss the possibility of Kinzo being dead? That Hokkaido thing

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Conundrum for you all.

If Gohda worked in a kitchen in a restaurant, and through the window he can see Nanjo working in a doctors clinic, and they both grabbed a gun and shoot each other in the face, who would win?
>Gohda can't lose in the kitchen
>Nanjo can't lose in a clinic

There is no right answer, but what would you think would happen?

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>>17637491
It depends on your definition of "losing". If both hit their targets and kill the other person, they have both won, thus proven that they can not lost in the kitchen or clinic. Both can not lose, but both can win in a certain sense, they'd just be dead

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>>17636576
I was a toddler when I watched it with my brother. I don't remember very well what I watched later but I think it was Chobits or Pokemon.
>>17637491
None, it would be an eternal struggle until the end of times. Unless one of the two runs out of bullets before the other, and if I had to guess who that would be Gohda since he is very jumpy and surely would shoot much faster out of fear. Then Nanjo would miss his last few shots and so it would be a tie. After that they would drink some tea and share a meal, and would live happily ever after. The End
Seeya nerds

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>>17637491
>>17637606
>>17637645
Y'all idiots forgetting that Nanjo always has a trick up his sleeve. If the gun doesn't work, he'll shoot ten syringes at light speed. Besides, Nanjo is a far more prepared and dangerous man than Gohda. Gohda wouldn't keep extra bullets in his most sacred place, the kitchen. He'd have to go to up to his room to reload, and that's when Nanjo's syringe would hit him in the back of the neck through the open window.
Nanjo would kill Gohda, swirl his remaining syringes in his hands and put them back in his lab coat pockets, uttering to himself
>It was a joy to end a life after having saved so many

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>>17637491

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All of you are wrong.
Once you bring Hideyoshi into the equation, it's settled. His knowledge of Sengoku-era Japan would win every time. He'd show up in full samurai gear in the middle of the street wielding two katana and thrown one through Gohda's window and one through Nanjo's window, staight in their throats.
>Hideyoshi can not lose in Japan

Who's the most powerful secondary character now bitches?

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>>17637730
Two words. Poisoned mackerel.

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>>17637690
gohda could just enter black butler mode throwing an infinite amount of forks 'n' knives from his sleeves.

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I had a dream about Rosa being my attractive aunt and Maria being my cousin that I have to look after and protect. When I woke up I was depressed that it was only a dream. Has anybody else had any Umineko related dreams?

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>>17637730
Hideyoshi vs strongest man Kurosawa

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>>17637832
i had a dream about Ange getting bullied silly by 7 actual goats like in those prophetic biblical dreams and the classroom kept spinning until it became a meadow while ange reverted back to her smol child-like form and it looped back to the classroom again. When I woke up i actually cried at the time lol. Weird but fun shit. There was some more to it but that's the most I could recall.

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>>17637858
I feel bad for Ange She always has to deal with some form of bullying.

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>>17637832
What would you do if such a scenario was real?

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>>17638000
There's no escaping the bullying. All there is to do is to join the fun and hope you don't get bullied

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>>17638040
I assume that was meant for >>17637959

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>>17638000
I'd join in and have a nice, fun time with them. I'd make Maria my Daughter and marry Rosa.She might have her own issues but I'm sure it could work out. Would make thins easier for Maria too.

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>>17638071
I imagine married life with Rosa would be demanding in several ways, but it'd probably be worth it.

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>>17638176
Yeah, as long as you can pull through it can work out. She really needs the emotional support.

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I just finished reading Confession of the Golden Witch and it might be the saddest shit I've read this year. So many of my theories confirmed, but more importantly, poor Yasu.

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>>17638934
Fell off a cliff, landed on a rock genitals first.

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the guy who has cleaned RAWs for Forgery of the Purple logic is still around?

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>>17638934
I don't even like Yasu, but holy shit that's one of the saddest thing in Umineko. I felt depressed after reading it.

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Just finished RGD last season finally. Made me cry manchild tears more so than when I've finished WTC4 chapter around Valentines day. True it wasn't R7's strongest but then again there is only soo far you can get with a story revolving around the underworld and nationalism. Being nothing more than that but even so. Also this videos ending might spoil some who haven't tried it yet. Wondering if we could get a short rgd discussion rolling however underrated it may be. Cameo Battler was quite useless though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbvrLzInLYo&index=43

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>>17639248
There are raws, but they haven't been cleaned yet. I just offered to take care of it if a translator was ever found.

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>>17640109

I see, so they aren't clean yet.

Well, I'm not very actively translating by any means, but I already did a couple of pages.

As I'm extremely buy IRL, I won't bother you to cleaning it when I don't even know how much time it will take me to release it in the first place.

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>>17640148
busy*
clean*

(I swear I double check every single typo in the translation, this was but a slip!)

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>>17640148
Well, I'll probably still clean some pages here and there when I've got the time. If I ever finish I'll be sure to post it.

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>>17640181
I would appreciate it, thanks.

Meanwhile I'll keep making a "beta version" with the uncleaned RAWs.

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>>17639731
I think the part that really took me over the edge was when I saw Genji's face as he apologized to Yasu for allowing her to live. It made me take a completely different view of the sprite he usually wears, and the casualness with which he lies about the nature of Beatrice and kills all for Yasu's sake. Poor old man.

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Has someone been working on a game board recently? It's been a long time and I would love to play along this time but I can't make up any good scenarios like that

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What's Erika's OST theme?

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>>17642991
Try >>>/qst/

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>>17642991
It's been a long time because the mods started deleting them. Which is fine by me since they don't really belong here and they took up a huge part of the threads

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>>17642991
There was that chess one in the last couple threads that quickly got axed and moved to Rokkenjima forums.

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>>17643400
>>17643605
Oh, they're not allowed here anymore? That's a shame. They were the best parts of the threads.

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lambdabesta

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>>17644822
bernst

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>>17644822
>>17644849

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>>17645545
Those are some big boobs bern.

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>>17632577
>tfw no qt tomboy taughturu

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>>17633348
>be gone for a couple weeks
>check into umineko thread
>"that discussion about philosophy we had last thread wasn't half bad"
>the entire replychain got deleted

t-thanks mods.

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>>17646598
Naturally. What about them?

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>>17647481
They're just big fat cat tats. I wish the newer sprites kept them.

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>>17647796
It's kinda hard to tell whether they did or not, with the way her clothes and hair cover her chest.

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>>17647796
I wish they'd made them bigger.

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Does Bern have the ability to increase her chest size?

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>>17647965
Same

>>17647853
Now that I look at it better, I can see the kints of a big chest.

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>>17647979
Probably. She IS the witch of miracles after all. Plus I doubt her form is limited, she can probably appear however she wants.

>>17647991
Yeah, Bern and Erika's chests are really hard to judge from their sprites. If given the choice, how big would you like them?

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>>17647979
Don't all witches?

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>that one scene involving tickling
oh heck

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>>17648061
Which one?

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>>17646801
You didn't miss much because the replychain was just one guy who kept replying in a really spiteful way.
The discussion was basically one anon who declared his love for Umineko because it includes a lot of philosophical elements, but he got a bit carried away and it kinda came across as "high and mighty" to some, which resulted in an anon derailing everything by replying sarcastically and evading bans.
I thought it was interesting, but you know how it goes. Best not to linger on the issue because it can get you banned again.
Or, you know, discuss some philosophy in Umineko to get back on topic.

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Was there any truth to Episode 8's Kinzo, or was it all just a farce of Battler's?

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>>17648156
I choose to believe it is true.

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I don't know if this is just me and my autism acting up but I was wondering what 500t of tnt actually looks like, and I found this video of some "Sailor Hat" operation. I'll just post it here incase somebody else was curious like me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkoBwFYitlU

Also, the diameter of the explosion is about 3 city blocks.

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>>17648156
We see non-gameboard Kinzo in Kanons flashbacks in Ep6 and from Yasu's perspective in Confession. According to both of them he seems like nice dude when he's not senile about Beatrice or the next head.

To be fair, most of the bad shit we've seen (crying about Beatrice and inheritence) was bullshit on the gameboard where he was dead.

I like to believe that if Kinzo stayed alive after meeting Yasu he would've been a lot more chill and they would've sorted out the inheritance and stuff nicely.

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>>17648401
We know he can't sort out the inheritance nicely due to being told what happens in Lion's world.

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>>17648401
>I like to believe that if Kinzo stayed alive after meeting Yasu he would've been a lot more chill and they would've sorted out the inheritance and stuff nicely.

Sure, that's a definite possibility. But was there any truth to the stuff about him loving Ange for instance?

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Post your favorite original background.

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>>17648156
What I'm curious about is what really happened with young Kinzo and Bice. It's heavily implied that Kinzo at least had a hand in the massacre for the gold. Did Bice know? Did she still follow him or was she forced against her will? If we take Beato's explanation in EP3 about Kinzo capturing her trying to force her to love him until she died as relating to Bice, that paints a pretty grim picture. But that would also mean that Genji and Nanjo were accomplices to a kidnapping, which I can't see Nanjo doing for what is essentially a stranger at that point.

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I wish there was an actual vn, however short it may be, for binchou-tan. After all 7th expansion was involved with the creation of its anime, even if it's in name only. The anime itself wasn't magnificent being deen but I believe the mood and atmosphere set in binchou-tan's universe could provide infinite possibilities for sol that would not bore the reader if it were in a sound novel format. Imagine Higurashi without mysteries, just chilling for rainy days.

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Which witch would make the best mother? Those who say Virgilia are taking the easy way out.

[Anonymous No.]

I noticed that all of the parents seem to exhibit one of the seven deadly sins.

Pride - Natsuhi
Envy - Kyrie
Wrath - Rosa
Sloth - Krauss
Greed - Eva
Gluttony - Hideyoshi
Lust - Rudolf

Normally I would just dismiss this as a coincidence, but with the seven deadly sins already being explicitly referenced via the stakes as well as all the Divine Comedy symbolism, I can't help but feel it might have been intentional on Ryukishi's part. What do you all think?

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>>17648439
What do you mean exactly?

>>17648707
The manga shows him smiling at a baby Ange and buying her a birthday present

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>>17650860
the black witch

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>>17650921
I never thought about that before. It sort of makes sense for most of them.
Krauss as Sloth though? He's not a great businessman, but he doesn't really show any signs of laziness or lack of vigor.
Hideyoshi as Gluttony? Is that just because he's fat? You could say his businessman lifestyle could be seen as gluttonous, but half the parents are business people.

Other than those two it looks spot it really.

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>>17649552
>7th expansion was involved with the creation of its anime
Were they? I can't find any info about that

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>>17651041
Krauss as Sloth has to do with several things. First is his behavior as the successor to the head. In contrast with Eva who's all about hard work (in order to gain what she wants, hence her being greed), Krauss was born into a superior position from which he doesn't really need to do anything to stand above his siblings. Whenever Eva tries to show how she's better than him, he always falls back on the fact that he's the eldest son and therefore the most appropriate to inherit the headship.

There's also the nature of his career and the way he handles it. As an investor, Krauss naturally doesn't do a lot of work himself, instead using his money to fund other's exploits in the hopes he'll make a profit should they succeed. Yet it's mentioned that Krauss doesn't have enough confidence in his foresight, making it difficult for him to commit to his investments in the long run.

Hideyoshi's sin doesn't necessarily refer to his figure, just like how gluttony doesn't necessarily refer to food. The sin of Gluttony also refers to things like overindulgence and hastiness. The whole reason Hideyoshi's company is in trouble o begin with is because he rushed into making it stock listed and then had his feet swept out from under him. Said company also just happens to be deal with the food industry. There are other small tidbits here and there that further show his "gluttonous" behavior, like the time when he tried to forcibly grab Maria's letter from her, or the fact that he's quick to lend out spending money to children.

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>>17650947
Which one?

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>>17637742
Truly the most fearsome witch, she doesn't even need to be in her final form.

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>>17638934
I still don't understand how Yasu's hair works. As Lion we clearly see it as long, blond and straight but we are also shown that Shannon is the closet to Yasu's natural form with short, wavy dark hair and for Beatrice and Kanon she uses wigs, even though as a child Shannon clearly has blonde hair like Lion.

Hormone issues don't explain a hair color change, if anything the lack of proper growth hormones would lead to a lighter hair color not darker, the only thing I can guess is that Yasu as Shannon keeps her real hair cut short and dyed brown.

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>>17651266
Confession of the Golden Witch gave me the impression that for Kanon's hair Shannon did something like wetting her hair or even gelling it down to make it appear darker and straight, which is actually pretty clever on Ryukishi's part if that's the case. It also shows that the Beatrice hair is a wig in the real world.

Also, I don't think Shannon ever had blonde hair. The appearance of Yasu in Episode 7 of the manga is probably just a subjective representation done to further conceal their identity, not their true appearance. Confession even contradicts it by showing young Shannon with hair similar to her current look.

Lion having a different hair color is a bit confusing, as there's no reason for him to fake it. That's actually the reason I used to suspect that Yasu's genetic makeup might be different in the miracle fragment, resulting in a different appearance and possibly even a different gender (back when I was still entertaining the possibility that Lion might be female).

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Is it wrong to lewd the seacats?

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>Umineko’s last four chapters are now in testing!
https://twitter.com/MangaGamer/status/908822304125317126

Still no update for Higurashi, however.

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>>17651814
It is, and When I fap to them, They Cry.

Doesn't mean people won't be monsters and do the same as me.

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>>17651814
Did it just yesterday and nothing bad happened

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>>17652098
Surprised Chiru is going to be done before OMK is.

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>>17652299
OMK has characters from Chiru though, so it's not too surprising.

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>>17652254
>>17652277
The proportion of my fapping dedicated to Umineko is kinda ridiculous. It's by far my most used series and I don't know why.

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>>17652299
I hope we get more Higurashi real soon, I recommended it to a friend and he read up to the 5th Chapter and is waiting on the rest. Would love to get more people I know to check it out. The remaining 3 are already done being translated and edited, now it's just a matter of testing whatever is left and waiting for MangaGamer's sluggish pace. It would be nice to see Chiru available by the end of the year, but expecting the same of OMK is a bit too optimistic for me.

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Why is Battler so hot?

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>>17653419
>Hot
>Rich
>Playful
>Compassionate
>Smart(?)
Total husbando material.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to marry Shannon and then abandon it for meta Beato!

[Anonymous No.]

Just finished Higanbana for the first time.

What was everyone's favorite chapter and Youkai

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>>17653908
>old shit
Don't remember, sorry

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>>17652344
how? theres so little content its sad

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>>17653908
Utopia

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>>17654009
I come up with a lot of my own fantasies.

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>>17654009
Imagination. I can even fap to the sprites.

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>>17654746
Same.

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>>17654746
>>17654782
Who has the most arousing sprites?

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>>17654009
ERP

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>>17654889
Erika-Rape-Play?

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>>17654901
Sometimes

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>>17654901
Yes.

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Why are waifufags so fucking gross?

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>>17654987
Nobodies said anything about waifus.

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>>17637832
>Has anybody else had any Umineko related dreams?
Not that I am aware. I'm trying to remember if I ever dreamed anything about anime after primary school, but now that I think about it, probably not. Dreaming about cartoons is a bit weird.

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>>17654987
I like Erika as a character and antagonist but I still think she would make a terrible waifu.

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>>17655007
>>17655015
Excuse me then, but they are mostly those who bring this kind of silly topics all the time. I find easy to dislike them.

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>>17653908
Midori's chapter (the third one IIRC)
I don't remember the youkai that much, so Higanbana I guess.

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>>17654889
You should all check out the catalog of 8ch's /erp/ board

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>>17655665
Fuck off

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>>17655682
:)

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>>17655743
Nerd

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>>17655665
Thanks

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>>17654886

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have a download of the assets in Ougon Musou Kyoku?

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Umineko should have ended after Episode 4.

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So what's the deal with Higanbana no Saku Yoru ni

Was it just not popular as Umi and Higu? I enjoyed what little was released.

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>>17657070
The same can be said about Higurashi.

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>>17649410
Well for one it doesn't seem that the fight with Italians started the way it's presented in Ep 7. Is it mentioned in the manga? I only read confession.

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>>17658914
Yasu asks Genji about it, but he doesn't answer

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>>17658972
>Genji didn't answer
Sounds like Genji.

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>>17658914
I think the italians initiated the fight, Kinzo's captain welcomed that opportunity and halfway through Kinzo went nuts from the situation the same way his captain did. However it all comes down to survival of the fittest. Kinzo did nothing wrong.

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>>17659128
Shit was going to go down regardless of who started it. Even if Kinzo did propose the idea, Kinzo wouldn't have expected the fight to break out like it did.

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Only played the VN and read the confession chapters of the manga, what other Umineko stuff is good?

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>>17659128
>nothing wrong.
Yeah, right, because confining and raping your daughter is not horrible enough. Regardless of the italian stuff, he was a monster and I don't care if he was crazy or not.
>>17659594
Anime.

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>>17659594
DameDame subs of the anime.

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>>17659705
>>17659672
Did DameDame do the entire series or only a few episodes? I didn't watch the adaptation at all since I heard how god awful it was.

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>>17658158
Meakashi was the best chapter in Higu though.

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>>17661390
Tsumihoroboshi is the best chapter.

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>>17661378
only a few, and it was already better than the original content of that adaptation

Umineko anime is perfect for an abridged series parody.

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>>17657070
But Episode 5 is the best episode.

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>>17656583
I do, but there's more than 5 images, how do you want them?

(I also have a super raw copy of chapter 5 of Umineko X Higurashi that I was going to send to WTDND but never got around to, still have all of volume 2 as well)

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>>17659140
>Kinzo wouldn't have expected the fight to break out like it did
Naturally he was the one who made sure that the grenade was a dud. He wanted both Beato and the gold all for himself after all

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What's your current expectations for WTC5? Do you have high hopes and confidence, doubts, or no strong feelings yet? With so little known about it, right now it's just gut feelings.
Expectations aside, do you believe that Ryukishi could write something that will outdo Higurashi and even Umineko?

Ryukishi really likes to subvert the expectations of his readers. While I'm trying to keep myself from having my expectations too high after waiting for so long, I believe he still has enough tricks and ideas in him to pull some really crafty moments.

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>>17662351
Can you zip them all?

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>>17663195
Twill be probably open-world as some has suggested before. Something similar to RGD but not as lame but I highly doubt it would outdo Higu/Umi. Then again three is the magical number so there is a possibility.

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>>17663363
https://ufile.io/aj78i
Hope that's what you were lookin for. I also have Cross, but not the rip ( they're all still LZR, DDZ, or ANZ files)

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>>17663978
Thanks anon.

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Finished Umineko a while ago and despite all the fun I had with it there was something about the ending that left a bad taste in my mouth.
Maybe ending it at the Ricordando il passato drop at the bottom of the sea would of had more impact? By the end we were reaching Lord of the Rings levels of inability to end it
Then again, I think it was physically impossible for Ryukishi to create a truly satisfying conclusion after 70+ hours of investment.

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Where can I get the Umineko OST not in awful OGG bit rates that the game uses?
Particularly full versions of the credit songs, which I know since they're on YouTube

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>>17665427
Are you looking for the musicboxes or artists re-releases? (for example, ZTS has a remix of Worldenddominator as part of Vague in Winter 3)

In terms of finding it out in the wild, there used to be a site that had direct download links, but it looks like it died and a good chunk of the torrents that had bits and pieces are dead as well. If other anons know of a source in the wild that'd be pretty neato)

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Anyone have that Nanjo fight scene saved? It still sends shivers down my spine but I don't seem to have saved it anywhere

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>>17665877
You almost got me with that one.

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>>17639942
>last season is disappointing
Third season is the most fun AND comfiest read of Ryukishis, with of course the best duo Alan and Keith. (I consider their story, character development,emotional pallete and finale better than the rest of the story altogether, even though the story is pretty good and has lovable setting,characters and story)
Also my two favourite RGD tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS0wvVHBbIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2ymWK4d0Js

First season started kinda predictable, but got me hooked by the end. I didn't like the orphans as much, but they grew up on me in the end.
The whole China arc in general was much more interesting than American.
I sincerely wish that anyone that hasn't read it, starts on it as soon as possible, else you are really missing out.

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>>17666085
I was debating if I should go through RGD or Higanbana first.

[Anonymous No.]

Current year and still no Moon turism, this is the worst timeline

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>>17666070
I love the pic as well but I meant the actual story/text.

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>>17637107
Too busy working to put food on the table for her ungrateful daughter.

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>>17639942
>Cameo Battler was useless
Dunno, I knew that his addition was to bring up Ange and I was right.

>>17666085
Third Season was insane. The Soy Sauce war is one of the greatest things Ryukishi ever wrote. The problem is obviously that Ryukishi got sick for weeks during the writing of Last Season and became rushed as a result. Still worth reading.

>>17666257
It doesn't really matter though since RGD is separate from everything.

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Anyone know of a good quality download for the six minute Umineko OP?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVQnbbVadc

All I've been able to find is this shitty 12kbps version on youtube

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I download RGD?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17668160
http://lambdadeltosblog7thuniverse.tumblr.com/#RGD

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>>17668182
Last season includes the entire series?

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>>17668194
yes

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>>17667693
>The Soy Sauce war
Man the whole thing made me hype with orphans finding their place in the world and use of the whole arc and THEN, Rose threw a fucking bomb on the whole story with a single word through phonecall.
As for the first EP, I think I was pulled into the atmosphere the moment Leo met Rose, and into the story the moment Kaleb changed from his barman garb to don garb.

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>>17668316
>As for the first EP, I think I was pulled into the atmosphere the moment Leo met Rose, and into the story the moment Kaleb changed from his barman garb to don garb.
Same. When the first mini boss was defeated and Kaleb showed it, it got good. Before that point, it felt too shonen.

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>>17668316
The best part of the soy sauce war was controlling random goons vs random goons
People who skipped the minigame missed out

[Anonymous No.]

I just put my homemade birthday cake in the oven. I was listening to music from Umineko while preparing it.
I'm one year closer to wizardhood now.

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>>17668735
I'm only a couple months away.

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>>17668735
Happy birthday, virgin! Enjoy the party.

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>>17668735
Lion is extremely beautiful person.

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>>17656583
>>17663978
Sorry for the late response. Here's a more complete collection, including things from CROSS as well.
https://www.mediafire.com/?ji7zi1k9571z9

[Anonymous No.]

Is Witch Hunt the most professional fan-TL group? I don't remember any drama from them, their translation is always good and they work on time.
>inb4 "meanwhile at Witch Hunt"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg5Fw0B3tCU

Its time to close the curtains on this story move forward. Dedicated to my beloved witch Beatrice.

Thanks for all people!

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>>17669849
I teared up a bit when that played during episode 8.

[Anonymous No.]

Just downloaded RGD, how do I increase the resolution/window size?

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>>17670861
press f to go fullscreen, there is no way to change the resolution

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>>17666085
Oh yeah, this is the absolute comfiest RGD track.

[Anonymous No.]

12 days for the Rokkenjima Massacre anniversary.

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>>17674878
How will you celebrate anon?

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>>17648112
There was a time I could'nt see ange on this picture. Now it strikes me everytime

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>>17676020
What the fuck, she was standing there in the background completely blending in. This is the first time I noticed her.

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>>17676020
>>17676735

It's almost like she is furniture

[Anonymous No.]

Why was there so much alternative paths to Ange's story in the future? Like jumping from the building, not jumping off the building, meeting "Tohya", not meeting "Tohya", etc.

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>>17677011
The most convincing theory I've seen is Ange actually dies and never meets Tohya with the good ending being written by Tohya.
I'd rather not think about that though because it's depressing.

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>>17677320
>spoiler
That's too cruel, anon. The ending was bittersweet enough for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17651192
Niggatrice

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>>17677320
>>17677469
Ange's entire life is pretty depressing. I don't want to replay Umineko because of my memories of just being an absolute wreck about half the time through episode 4.

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>>17677011
The meeting Tohya bits might be explainable by that being Ange reading Tohya's forgeries. With Featherine as her imaginary friend. So she never actually met the real one.
Jumping from the building is more confusing to me though. I can only thing that she got caught by safety nets the first time and survived, then decided not to jump a second time, having found an answer.

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>>17632577
Who is this supposed to be? I have never seen their character before.

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>>17679326
Higurashi Hou, dude

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>>17678700
Is Featherine actually one of her imaginary friends? I thought at the very least that Bern, Lambda and Featherine was above the creation stuff and genuinely existed.

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>>17675111

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>>17679606
We know at least the real-life basis for Bern, she was Ikuko's cat. So that's a reason to cast doubt on the "Voyagers are real" theory

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>>17679826
So essentially nothing really happened in Umineko that really exists other than the episode 7 tea time since it was written after Ikuko read the journal?

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>>17679933
You could say that, but that doesn't mean none of if mattered. You got as much out of Umineko as you put in, and whether they were real or not, that doesn't make the scenes with Ange in ep 4 any less heartbreaking, nor does it make worldend dominator any less badass.

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>>17632577
>tfw still haven't read that book

[Anonymous No.]

Who do you want to see cameos of in WTC5?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17680478
Some form of Erika starting shit again could be hilarious, but even a minor role would still be appreciated.

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>>17680491
Erika herself is already a cameo. Anyone resembling her would probably just be considered another new Rika/Bern.

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>>17679933
Depends on your interpretation of the facts. If you go full anti-fantasy, then of course most of the things that happened where metaphorical or simply imagination. I also like to believe that Bern and her gang are real in a sense, but all interpretations are valid.

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>>17680673
Personally I believe in the meta world, and that magic can only happen in the meta world. In the "real" world there is no magic. They're sort of separated by two completely different planes of existence. This also goes for the game board, so long as there's an actual solution for the game board there's no magic. I could go into full detail about how everything in the meta world/game boards relate to the real world, in my theory, but I'm too tired to go over the whole thing.

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>>17677011
To show what could have been.
If Ange couldn't live not knowing the truth, she would kill herself. If she kept pursuing the truth, she would either die trying (ep 4 ending) or become Erika, a pawn of others; of the people on the internet seeking the truth (Bernkastel). But if she accepted not knowing the absolute truth and lived with herself by becoming someone else, she could find meaning in life by making reality shine.

Those paths are to show humanity's own struggle with the truth and meaning of life. We can either pointless pursue the truth that cannot be found, kill ourselves, or create art and live happily. And of course, as per Ryukishi, Ange took the latter option of making people happy.

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>>17679933
>>17680781
Im more of an advocate of the Higurashi multiverse system being possible to apply to the game boards and outside of it in that Ange dying in one world and living in another one are two separate possibilities, the same way in which the detective whos name I can't remember from Himatsubushi having her pregnant wife die due to disregarding Rika's warning and surviving in another reality are shards of the many possible outcomes. It seems Ryu uses multiverse to confuse his readers when mixing in the meta world but then again it's quite easy to apply multiverse to explain the inconsitencies.

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>>17681246
Another to thing that I forgot to add, which I found fascinating is one of the TIPs in Himatsobushi regarding the two boxes, a blue and a red one containing items. It didn't matter which box you picked on the first go because what was inside was no better than what was inside the opposite box during the 2nd pick, provided you ctr your way through to get the choices again. When it was revealed that one contained a chewing gum and the other a caramel candy, it was revealed that in the end it didn't really matter. One could say multiverse is like such, having many words existing and preferring one over the other or disliking them all equally are insignificant at the end of the day, yet they are very real.

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>>17681246
This is generally how I feel about the whole thing and how I took almost everything that happened in Umineko. I also believe the higher end witches also exist and live outside of the stories being told to us.

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>>17681282
Yet the actual decision of the choice feels as though it matters, even if they are almost identical.

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>>17680502
I was thinking more of the perverted and arrogant detective personality making a return in some form, rather than just her design or name. I liked her as a sort of rival detective to Battler, but even I still think bringing her back in a serious major role would be too much and overdoing it.

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>>17680478
Rika. Someone that looks like Rika. Moon Hotel.

[Anonymous No.]

Could Rena actually be one of the cool kids? A reincarnation of a grown Maria so to speak. The way in which she haús and her plush toy collection seems to indicate so. Also evil

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>>17683080
But Maria's not cool.

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>>17683115
she was ahead of her time

[Anonymous No.]

Another year, another 4th October. Why even bother to keep living at this point?

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>>17683360
could ask the same question when my bday is on the 5th of october.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/e-UJzH4DHYw
posting the best song ever

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>>17683432
When it comes to remixes, I prefer this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_nkwV8jYlA

[Anonymous No.]

Tell me about Dlanor. Why does she wear the gauntlet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683523
lotta loyalty for an INQUISITOR OF HERESY

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>>17683588
No one cared who I was until I put up the duct tape.

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>>17683604
If I take it off will she die the death?

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>>17683905
It would be extremely PAINFUL

[Anonymous No.]

>>17683922
She's a small kid.

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>>17683432
I actually agree with this, it actually might be my favorite song currently.

[Anonymous No.]

Beato

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>>17684172
Eva-Beato.

[Anonymous No.]

Former-Beato

[Anonymous No.]

Rosa-Beato.

[Anonymous No.]

Krauss-Beato

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>>17632577

There isn't anybody in these threads that actually believes the Shkanontrice-Yasu Culprit Theory, is there? That retarded, Rube Goldberg machine of a theory breaks so many of Ryukishi's own rules, not to mention so many commonsense principles that it can't be seen as anything more than a complete joke he played on his readers. It is basically Hinamizawa Syndrome 2.0.

It should be obvious to anyone with eyes that Hideyoshi was the culprit, with George as an occasional accomplice/ rouge agent, depending on the tome and the game. His company was going broke, meaning his nigh-perfect kid who trains there with him and his power-obsessed wife would go broke along with him and they'd all lose everything. His wife began to believe that Krauss was even lying to them about Kinzo's death in order to embezzle the inheritance. Lacking proof, but not determination, he decided that he had to go through with it (and he could, since he married in.) Of course, they hid their crimes from Eva until the last possible minute, which is the real reason why Eva in turn keeps the truth hidden from Ange... not out of hate for Ange, but out of love for her family. She wanted to protect them, but of course without love, this cannot be seen.

As for the red text: I took over 125 pages of single-spaced notes on this game about five years ago. Having looked at the raw stats, there is actually less red text invalidating Hideyoshi from being the culprit than any other character in the game (most of which can be overcome fairly elegantly,) and zero extraneous rules such as Knox's or Van Dine's commandments which would prevent him from doing so.

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>>17685254
You should make an 8 hour video detailing your theory.

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>>17685280

I'd only need about anywhere from a half hour to 40 minutes to do it justice, honestly, but I feel like I'd be stating the obvious. I can't possibly be the first person to come up with this theory. It's the only practical explanation that answers all of the game's basic questions without breaking every rule in the book and also being retarded (Shkanontrice-Yasu Theory,) demonizing the killers to the point of absurdity (BATTLER FAMILY CULPRIT THEORY) or else imposing a motive upon the killer(s) that is almost equally unbelievable as Shkanontrice-Theory's despite systematically denying it (Rosatrice Theory, although he did admittedly make some good points.)

That all being said, I can't actually find many people online who seem to think that he did it.

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>>17684172
Béátó Beníni

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>>17685312
Do it, prove to us your theory.

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>>17685329

Alright. Might take me awhile to re-read through all eight games again and make the video, though. I've been meaning to replay them again for a few years now, however, so this might be a good opportunity.

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>>17685280
I should actually watch these videos sometime.

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>>17685377

Rosatrice Theory is actually pretty interesting (albeit really kind of bizarre, from a motive/ accomplice-choice standpoint,) in that it raises a lot of commonsense points about why Shkannontrice-Yasu theory is mostly bullshit, some of which I intend to loosely borrow from.

Since I am apparently also making a video, I'm probably going to listen to it again and fall asleep right now.

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>>17685399
I do care more about the Yasu being bullshit than the Rosatrice being true.

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>>17685254
>>17685312
>>17685399
Alright, I'll take the bait. What's wrong with Shkannontrice?

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>>17685407

I'll have to keep it very short for now, since I'm sick and only just now about to go to bed. That said, I'll probably be able to elaborate in 10 or so hours, assuming this thread is still up, if that's alright?

EXTREME TL;DR - Knox's 8th and 10th severely interfere with any theory that proposes Shkanontrice-Yasu as the culprit, especially if you consider the spirit of the original Decalogue (and if you do, then Knox's 2nd, 4th and 5th can also be said to interfere with said theory, depending on how you interpret them.) Van Dine's 3rd completely invalidates the idea that Shkanontrice-Yasu's motive even can be a culprit's motive, and Van Dine's 10th, 11th, 12th and 20th physically prevent her from being the culprit. Ultimately, both Hideyoshi-George Theory and BATTLER FAMILY CULPRIT THEORY make way more sense, with Hideyoshi-George Theory making the most sense between the two of them IMO, as well as being the most likely scenario.

There are also a shitload of commonsense arguments to be made against Shkanontrice-Yasu as the culprit in general. For instance, why weren't Shannon or Kanon fired for repeated absences or negligence of duty any time they were scheduled to work at the same time? Alternatively: If they were never once scheduled to work at the same time, despite both having worked there for a significant enough amount of time as to make such a thing inevitable, why weren't they? And perhaps even more importantly, why didn't the people in charge of payroll recognize that one servant was getting paid twice? It just doesn't make sense when you put two and two together. At the very least, Natsuhi and Krauss should've been made aware of what was going on, or perhaps instead/ even Jessica, but evidently this was not the case. According to the diehards, Yasu went the whole time without being suspected of any tomfoolery which reeks of pure bullshit... and not the "unintentional plot-hole" kind.

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>>17685280
seconded

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>>17685399
Le Berntrice theory est best theory. For it is revolutionary in that it stages the cat as a potential culprit. A cat within a catbox. Or a box of cats like in Moryo no Hako. Or is it?

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>>17668047
bumping for this. anyone got a hq version?

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>>17685468

Lmao. Van Dine is completely irrelevant in Umineko.

>Knox's 8th

Lmao. There were too many hints in regards to Shannon and Kanon being the same person, both of them being the only furniture with special abilities and the most obvious hints were given to you in episode 6.

> Knox's 10th

This one doesn't work because Kanon wasn't disguising himself as Shannon nor did Shannon disguise as Kanon. Yasu chose to be either Shannon or Kanon, but since Yasu isn't a character in the Umineko cast, then this rule does not apply to her.

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>>17685468

Please don't tell me you think of the events in the episodes as real? In the fictional events we know Shannon hung out with Jessica, but in prime Rokkenjima who knows how long this lasted. And as explained, just with the help of the servants, this trick is quite easy to pull off. Also, why would they pay the same servant twice? Obviously they merely added Kanon as a separate servant.

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>>17685468
>If they were never once scheduled to work at the same time, despite both having worked there for a significant enough amount of time as to make such a thing inevitable, why weren't they?
This is explained in the manga

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which witch would you trice?

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>>17686278
Hideyoshitrice

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>>17686278
Lambda

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>>17686278

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>>17686487
Elbow gloves sure are awesome aren't they?

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>>17686576
They sure are.

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>>17685561
Some call it "l'esprit de Bern", l'âme du chat noir as a potential culprit within the quantum Heisenberg catbox in a SU(5) universe. Unfortunately, you need to be well versed in Kant philosophy and Quantum Field Theory to understand it. IQ 130+ minimum.

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What's the point of still doing theories when the story is already over and the culprit and his motives are already obvious? it's dumb, might as well call them fanfics instead.
>>17686291
>HideyoSHITrice
Don't be mean with best dad.

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>>17688265
>What's the point of still doing theories when the story is already over and the culprit and his motives are already obvious?
Because some people goats won't except the truth.

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>>17688303
>won't except the truth
So they are like the typical shippers when they get delusional after their favorite pairing doesn't work in the end instead of accepting the author's resolution? Stupid dumb goats can't except the truth and move on with their lives.

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>>17688416
Pretty much. There's no reasoning with such people. Anything that supports the official explanation is immediately dismissed as either a red herring or non-canon.

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>>17688496
Yeah, or they just straight tells you that you stopped thinking when the author already delivered all the answers with the manga. Idiots

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Which Episodes of the manga were your favorite? Everyone seems to like 8, but what about the other ones?

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>>17688577
It's been a while since I read Umineko, but I would say episode 2 (mostly because of Suzuki Jirou's touch), 3 and 7 are my favorites. I loved Soichirou and Aki Taka's style as well.

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>>17688741
Is that so? Personally, I always found the dissonance between Episode 2's art style and those of all the other Episodes to be a bit jarring. I really enjoyed the visuals used by Soichiro in Episode 4's manga though. The humorous little summaries used in 4 and 6 were also a pretty nice addition.

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>>17688577
damn that art is good

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>>17688909
I know right? I like the design for young Battler.

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>>17688866
It's just that I enjoyed Suzuki's style a lot in Tatarigoroshihen. Keep in mind that higu was one of the first horror manga I have read and the horror expressions of the characters hit me hard and facinate me at the same time, hence my preference for him in umi. Pic related makes me tremble with fear every time.
>humorous little summaries used in 4 and 6
I total forgot about them, but yea they were a nice contrast.
>>17688926
More than his stroke, I love his coloring. It's beautiful. My fav Batller is by Soichiro.

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>>17689027
Didn't the artist for Episode 6 also do one of the Higurashi Chapters? I remember coming across this little crossover pic in one of my volumes.

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>>17689027
It makes me wish there was more colored pieces in the manga. The ones we get always turn out beautifully.

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>>17689051
Are you sure? I don't remember but no, I don't think so.

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>>17689077
Just checked. She did both Dawn and Minagoroshi. https://www.mangaupdates.com/authors.html?id=6231

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>>17689074
I think is better like that even if it's a pity. Color is powerful and the lack of it makes it more impactful. There's also the possibility that if the artist forced themselves too much it might comes poorly colored.
>>17689086
You're right, nerd. Shame on me since Minagoroshi is one of my favorites. I better go to sleep.

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>>17689074
Was this colored in the manga? My print of the manga doesn't have the page colored.

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>>17689913
The English release printed all the colored pages in grayscale.

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>>17689944
That's weird and that really sucks.

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>>17689950
I assume it's cheaper that way. That's probably also why neither release went to the trouble of using any colored texts.

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>>17689958
Haven't read the manga yet, how did they do colored texts then?

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>>17689963
They used Bold text for red, and bubble letters for blue. Online scanlations added colored text themselves though.

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>>17689985
I see, thanks.

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Very big Hanyu.

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>>17690148
Too big.

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>>17690154
It's the perfect size actually.

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>>17690154
Too small.

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>>17690148
Would you get demoned away for looking at her breasts?

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>>17690154
Why is Featherine so underappreciated? She and Virgilia are by far the least popular witches. Is it an age thing?

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>>17690200
Well, she's ugly. A low copy of Hanyu.

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>>17690200
Probably, Japan hates cakes.

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>>17690207
Well, I agree that her design isn't as visually appealing as most of the other withes. I think the manga did a nice job of giving her a mature, attractive woman look, her silly outfit notwithstanding.

>>17690208
But the aunts tend to do pretty well in the popularity polls though.

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>>17690208
Who was more of a cake, Ikuko or Rosa?

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>>17690220
Rosa. Ikuko at least had an actual life partner, even if they never got married.

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>>17690220
Rosa.

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just finished. i picked the "trick" ending but by the end i was left feeling pretty damn empty. i guess it felt too blunt, or melancholy. i can't tell if that's a good thing or not, though. i wanted to view all of this as what it is: an illusion; a fictional story. but i still want to acknowledge the heart and love behind it and believe that it wasn't just a pointless exploration. i felt that ange being all alone in the end paralled how i felt: alone, simply turning the last page in the book. i wanted to go back and pick the magic end, because i felt like i was making myself forget all the emotions i felt during the reading of the whole thing by acknowledging it as fiction, but at the same time i felt like that would be cheapening, or ignoring that lonely feeling i had. i guess i'm stuck between wanting to end feeling understood or wanting to end feeling happy. but i don't know if it's wrong to have one over the other, if taking one makes the other impossible, or even if there is a "right" choice at all. i guess that's one of the main themes, though. it was pretty cool to see erika as she was one of my favorite characters also. great game though for sure got drawn into the meta aspect hard.

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>>17690351
Just read the magic end fag.

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>>17690351
You really should see both endings. The moral of Ange's story was to accept the truth but not let it run your life and the way you see the world. Even if her parents were the killers it doesn't mean Ange has to believe that they didn't love her. And even if the candy magic is just a trick, it was intended as something to bring happiness and doesn't need to be exposed. You need to see both sides before coming up with your own "truth". The Manga even shows this by having Ange explain the trick to Beato before still choosing magic in the end.

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>>17690376

I really wish the visual novel had Ange using that golden truth. Such a perfect moment and the peak of Ange's character development.

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>>17653908
Utopia and Reaper of the Thirteenth Steps

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>>17690360
>>17690376
played it and cried my eyes out. thanks dudes

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>>17690351
I picked the trick ending at first too, only after rereading the whole vn did I pick the magic ending.I still prefer the trick ending, I deduced back in ep4 that amakusa was the one killing ange so seeing that theory get mentioned along with best girl erika appearing for one last time simply appealed to me the most.
It is more of a thriller ending rather than the ending of a romantic meta mystery story but I think people severely exagerarte how much of a "bad ending" it is when its really just another conclution to ange's journey.

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>>17690200
If I had to guess, Featherine came late into the series and doesn't leave as much of an impression as the other witches that stuck around longer. She's also not shown to be personally involved in the events of Beatrice's games against Battler compared to the other witches.
I like Virgilia, but I can see why she has lots of competition. The other witches are more witch-like, cackling and being cruel, with her most notable scenes only really being the magic battle against Beatrice and the ending of Episode 3. But I also wouldn't doubt the age thing being another factor.

>>17690218
I agree that the manga did a very nice job with her appearance, it was a pleasant surprise for me and made me like her a bit more. I think it helped bring out her character more.

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>Sea Cats
Does Ryuu ever visit his English Speaking online fan communities?

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>>17691413
He's already said he comes to 4chan every once in awhile

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>>17691413
He talked to a lot of foreigner fans. I wouldn't be surprised if he felt curious about other communities outside of Japan, so yeah, maybe.
>>17691427
Prove it.

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>>17691438
https://seaoffragments.wordpress.com/2015/05/17/acen-2015-07th-expansion-panel-3-ryukishi07s-latest-work-trianthology-unraveled-for-the-first-time/

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>>17691455
Are you saying there's a small chance that Ryukishi could have seen me acting like a bitch all this time? total embarrassed

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>>17691503
I wonder whether he's flattered or not by how often his characters get sexualized by anons.

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>>17691544
It annoys me. I wish they go away.

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>>17691544
I doubt he minds all that much. He knew what he was doing with character designs like the Stakes and Chiesters. He probably understands that this sort of thing is expected with any series.

>>17691547
It's no big deal. They're not doing any harm.

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>>17691594
Still annoys me. Stupid waifufags and virgins can't keep their fantasies for themselves.

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>>17691544
Doesn't he release his works at comiket? He's probably met face-to-face with doujinshi artists making 18+ works of his characters at least once or twice. Compared to that, seeing some random foreigners talking about their fantasies is probably nothing.

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>>17691617
Nothing to do about it. It may not be an admirable discussion, but it's something people want to talk about and this is probably the only place they can.

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>>17691658
Don't reply to cancer

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>>17691658
I can report them if I feel like I want to, but for the most part I just ignore it.
>>17691661
(You)

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>>17691661
You know, I find it funny that the only way you can recognize me is if I use the words "virgin", "nerd" and "waifufags". Touchy, touchy, I'm sure you are a mix of those three.

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>>17690392
Ep8 manga had a LOT of things the VN should've had.

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>>17691764
That's why I like it more to be honest.

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>>17691544
I would rather have Erika's butt and thighs.

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>>17692207
Personally I prefer her modest yet well-formed breasts. But she does have some nice curves down there as well.

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>>17692308
How does Erika compares to Bern? The latter is supposedly pretty big.

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>>17692553
Probably the same. Bern created Erika in her image right? In that case, why make 'em bigger or smaller? Just the same is fine.

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>>17692553
It depends on the artist. Bern at her biggest is bigger than Erika at hers. But Erika is more consistently portrayed with actual breasts than Bern is, meaning that more often than not she's bigger. Still, it really comes down to which interpretation you choose.

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>>17692602
> why make 'em bigger or smaller?

She could make them smaller to bully her at size competition.

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>>17692602
There's no guarantee that Erika's whole appearance was based off Bern's. They usually just say she was given her blue hair.

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>>17692553
Erika: C cup
Bern: D cup

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>>17691832
Same, it'll always be the definitive version of Ep 8 for me.

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>>17690218
that face looks like something kubo might draw.

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>>17691544
r07 isn't like the autistic webcomic artists we have in the west. He understands that people are going to sexualize anything they find aesthetically appealing, and he himself plays around with fetish-bait in his writing a lot (particularly in higurashi). That's just the shadow side you need to accept if you want people to immerse themselves in your fiction (there's very few people who didn't have some of the weirdest fantasies about cartoon characters when they got into puberty).
I think it has a lot to do with the "let's share this fictional universe and create something even more beautiful together by expanding upon it" doujinshi-mentality vs our western "every man for himself, if you own the copyright you get to decide"-attitude.

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>>17693989
I should really read the manga sometime.

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I was thinking of picking up this shirt but as someone who can't really read much Japanese, I wanted to know that these said.

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>>17696323
The front says "Lies!!!" The back says I can't make out the kanji on the back, but the first part says something like "I know"

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>>17696323
front:
"嘘だッ!!!"
"it's a lie!!!"

back:
"してるよね、隠し事"
"you have something to hide"
(for context, it's the "yes, you are" in the picture, scene from onikakushi-hen in which keiichi asks rena about satoshi)

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Don't mind me, just posting the best song : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_ylNrVEvzY

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Wait, so was Genji an illegal refugee?

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>>17696405
>>17696347
I thought that is what it said since the lines would be close together in the VN but I wanted to make sure.

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>>17695171
>our western "every man for himself, if you own the copyright you get to decide"-attitude

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So what exactly is Erika? We know in the real world she is not real and she is some corpse but what is she in the context of the meta-world? It is both implied that Erika is a separate entity to Bernkastel and that Erika is also Bernkastel. Which is the truth?

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>>17697581
She's Bern's daughter.

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>>17695553
I recommend people to read Ep 8 manga directly after the VN. The VN feels incomplete and it feels like you haven't really finished Umineko if you stop after the VN,

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>>17697581
She is a dead person ascended to the Meta like Beatrice and technically Battler.

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>>17698431
Ange also reached the Meta during her near death experience jumping off that skyscraper.

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>>17698713
Do you have to die to reach the meta?
Did Rika have to die to become Bernkastel?

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>>17699021
Well, there is that whole Purgatorio thing when the meta is first introduced

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>>17697581
Is it too hard to think for yourself?
When he see Bernkastel in ep 2, she wears a goat mask. Goats are people that are seeking the answer but are too dumb. In ep 8, we see a collection of them in the real world that also wear goat masks. Thus, Bernkastel is the manifestation of the people on the internet seeking to find the truth. You'll also notice that Bernkastel was the villain, as so is the reader in a way.
Ep 1-2 were written by Beatrice but ep 3-4 were released on the internet by Tohya. The mystery fans were displeased with how bad Battler was as a detective and asked to put their own. Erika is 'Bernkastel piece' but in a literal sense, she is the mary sue of the mystery fan. She is overly competent, loved by everyone initially and has a comprehensive understanding of mystery cliche. Something no detective story ever does is talk about detective cliche. Every detective simply does whatever they want oblivious to the tropes they exist in. But Erika is allowed to do so because she is born from people that are familiar with detective fiction.
Ep 5 is Tohya allowing the mystery fans to place their own detective in the story and Erika fails horribly. The mystery fans are insulted and humiliated, so when in ep 6 Tohya gives them a second chance, they fuck with him and create the logic error. Erika and Bernkastel no longer care about the mystery but only fucking with Battler who is the gamemaster (Tohya). By the end of ep 6, Battler and Beatrice say the red that even if Erika joins the island, the number will be the same. Meaning that any person +1 X that joins the island will be dead upon entry. You can only use the people on the island to solve the mystery.
In ep 8, Bernkastel creates her own gameboard, and what is curious is that the answer is the same as in tea party 7. Tohya comes back with his own fantasy gameboard but then the rest happens in real life.
In Tsubasa, Black Battler is introduced, perverted by the mystery fans. At one point, Black Battler breaks the rules and kills Ronove. He looks at the sky and screams 'you can stop this if you just tell the answer Tohya'. This is the mystery fans creating their own gameboard using Black Battler instead of Erika because she's already dead.

I hope that answered your question about who is Erika.

Also one final piece of information. In Truth Ending, Ange sees Erika. This is meant to show that Ange has become Erika, a pawn of the mystery fans on the internet seeking the truth.