Touhou Gameplay Thread

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Touhou Gameplay Thread Anonymous Tue Aug 15 13:56:13 2017 No.17484163 [Reply] [Original]

Previous thread >>17461102

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 14:35:37 2017 No.17484349 I finally did it boys, I managed to complete an Extra stage for the first time in my life Am I a real man now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 14:38:40 2017 No.17484364 >>17484349 Which one was it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 14:39:54 2017 No.17484368 >>17484163 Am I the only one having framedrops in stage 4?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 14:42:30 2017 No.17484385 >>17484364 HSiFS I hear it's one of the easier extras, but fuck it, I'm proud of myself

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 14:46:03 2017 No.17484404 >>17484385 try the PCB one now

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 14:47:19 2017 No.17484413 >>17484385 Nice job. I haven't beaten that one yet so I can't comment on the difficulty.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 14:51:54 2017 No.17484434 So final boss final card bomb immunity is back. How does that make you feel?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:05:23 2017 No.17484500 File: 84 KB, 154x253, 1495245699274.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wonder if the DDC anon is still playing PCB.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:05:35 2017 No.17484502 File: 258 KB, 596x411, tumblr_ounr5rQll41rgzg9ho1_1280.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17484434 I feel totally fine about it, myself. I never got to the final boss of touhou 15 anyways, even in pointdevice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:06:41 2017 No.17484506 File: 258 KB, 596x411, 1502824001870.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17484434 I feel totally fine about it, myself. I never got to the final boss of touhou 15 anyways, even in pointdevice.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:06:54 2017 No.17484508

Currently doing Extra (no release)

So, you know how Touhou always had the problem of bosses just running into you? (e.g. Wriggle)

And now ZUN gives me this shot type that shoots behind me.
But constantly punishes me for using that power.

I use Reimu, so she's far better when shooting down then up.
Are other Reimu players here also getting killed a lot by Okina bumping into them after beating a spell card?
I'll soon remember when she moves where so it doesn't happen again, but ZUN really should've thought about that when incentivicing the player to stay above the boss.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:08:16 2017 No.17484516 why is reimu so awesome

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:13:37 2017 No.17484544 >>17484385 Nice job beating Okina. Her extra is easy but awesome. Try UFO with Sanae B or MoF with Marisa B

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:13:51 2017 No.17484546 generally speaking, how would you rank these achievements in order of difficulty? easy perfect normal nb normal perfect hard 1cc hard nb lunatic 1cc

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:17:05 2017 No.17484569 File: 197 KB, 491x782, Th16Aya.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] FIX YOUR SHIT, ZUN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdEvj5RFdFI

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:19:17 2017 No.17484583
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>>17484508
>Are other Reimu players here also getting killed a lot by Okina bumping into them after beating a spell card?

I just came to the thread to complain about that too, right after capturing a spellcard while shooting on top of her head, she just bumped into me.

>>17484516
Because she is the best anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:20:27 2017 No.17484589 >>17481916 Utsuho, The Three Fairies, Miko, Shinmyoumaru, and Junko all lacked bomb immunity on their final cards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:22:14 2017 No.17484596 >>17484508 yep yep

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:25:59 2017 No.17484616 How do you do HSiFS's stage 5's midboss?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:26:42 2017 No.17484621 >>17484583 Can I kiss her armpits?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:27:56 2017 No.17484626 is it me or are the stages more difficult than the bosses? jesus christ

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:31:34 2017 No.17484640 File: 97 KB, 460x544, 1362782189647.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17484163 I use auto-fire and gimp myself with a controller. I'm sorry.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:32:49 2017 No.17484646

>>17484434
Who cares?
Winter's easier than some of her earlier spells, Fall's average, and you're kinda screwed on Summer/Spring but bombs still clear bullets and you shouldn't need more than 2 to get through either.
>>17484589
IIRC bombs do little to nothing in terms of damage on Okuu and Miko.
>>17484616
On lunatic? Find a lane underneath her and stream downwards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:35:24 2017 No.17484658 >touhou 16 >health bar STILL depletes slower in spell cards than in non-spell cards >how long will it take to down the boss is still a fucking guess fucking why

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:40:16 2017 No.17484672

>>17484508
They're easy to see coming after getting screwed by it once. I would say that Reimu's homing+all backshots all hitting the enemy wasn't actually intended, so he probably didn't expect players to camp the back anyway. You also wouldn't camp the back on any shot but Reimu so there's that too.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:42:54 2017 No.17484680

>>17484672
On the other hand, Reimu is the first character people will play, and she has always had a homing shot.
Shotgunning enemies from above is nothing new.

But yes, it only happens when the boss is in the middle of the screen, so you learn to avoid it after some tries.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:48:00 2017 No.17484702 >>17484640 >auto-fire You must hate SA, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 15:51:39 2017 No.17484720 >>17484640 I play with a controller too, and I think that so does ZUN >>17484702 what happens in subterranean animism?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:16:35 2017 No.17484833 >>17484720 Let's just say there are parts of SA where you actually want to stop firing for safety measures.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:20:00 2017 No.17484839 >>17484720 >>17484833 Stage 5, also known as "broken dreams and tears"

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:29:04 2017 No.17484871 File: 183 KB, 402x512, face05ct.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fuck this bitch

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:31:38 2017 No.17484880 File: 305 KB, 425x600, afc9cff2b29faa48b0c15272baf680d77137c1e2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17439488 ,

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:34:39 2017 No.17484898 >>17484880 new phone, who dis

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:36:28 2017 No.17484907 >>17484880 Well that confirms my suspicions don't it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:38:53 2017 No.17484919 >>17484871 Romantically or politically, not gonna lie you're always so absolutely non-commital about it. Oh yeah, question mark. >?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:41:00 2017 No.17484928 >>17484919 https://exhentai.org/g/841987/8455aed4d1/

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:45:34 2017 No.17484948 >>17484928 I'd like this a lot more if their nipples weren't so long.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:46:40 2017 No.17484951 >>17484948 true that

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:52:00 2017 No.17484970 How the fuck are any of the dancer nonspells even possible on lunatic What the fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 16:53:24 2017 No.17484973 File: 2.91 MB, 380x450, Okina2Mlq.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Okina is fun...FUN!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 17:03:12 2017 No.17485018 >>17484973 Hello god Satori.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 17:04:06 2017 No.17485021 >>17484973 be oknia be wooh spinn

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 17:05:20 2017 No.17485023

So what's your favorite subshot?
I prefer the consistency of Summer, and the spread has decent synergy with Marisa's shots.
Winter is also great for big damage, but it feels riskier.
Fall is fun but I end up ramming into enemies a bit too much.
Spring feels really weak to me. The release isn't that great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 17:11:30 2017 No.17485038 >>17485023 Winter complements Reimu's homing very nicely, making ReimuW the most well-rounded shottype in my opinion. MarisaA is also nice, the flexibility of Fall release with Marisa's forward focus damage output.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 17:14:18 2017 No.17485051 >>17484973 >Bullets blend into the trees FUCK, I hope that is just the shitty webm quality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 17:22:55 2017 No.17485081 >>17485023 Winter because easiest final card. Makes NBNR much more reasonable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 17:46:41 2017 No.17485153 >>17485051 The encoding is shit, but yes, those bullets can be a bit tough to see in-game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 18:45:49 2017 No.17485456 >>17484569 >TAS

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 18:46:57 2017 No.17485460 >stage 3 as spring Reimu I am blind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 18:53:07 2017 No.17485482 >>17485456 I don't think it should be possible at all to max out the score counter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 20:11:58 2017 No.17485795 File: 2.60 MB, 380x450, OkinaNoReleaseLq.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 20:35:36 2017 No.17485890 File: 84 KB, 154x253, 4729965425941.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17484500 I wonder if TD Ex anon is still playing HSiFS

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 20:47:54 2017 No.17485963 >>17484500 I'm playing HSiFS now. Wanted to try it out since it came out and I realized this is easier. I haven't gotten many chances to play Touhou lately, though.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 20:50:41 2017 No.17485975
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Finally made myself do it. It was my first time getting to stage 6 too. I guess I just didn't know how to use the release system since I refused to use it before the full game came out, and didn't use it even once in the demo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 21:06:55 2017 No.17486052 stam MY6X6-WQ7D6-M757 FNHPL-08MBR-JF2IC

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 21:12:24 2017 No.17486084
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>>17486052
Thank you anon, I've been meaning to play the PC port of Sonic CD for ages. It'll help relieve the pain of Mania being delayed on PC.
I don't know how that relates to Touhou, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 21:24:03 2017 No.17486131 I lose more lives in stage 4 of HSiFS than I do in the rest of the game combined. I've managed to beat this fucking thing without dying once, why can't I do it again? Is there a trick I'm missing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 21:30:17 2017 No.17486176 I accidentally pressed "c" and something interesting happened (Reimu, spring) like a miniature bomb but I'm not sure what the conditions are to have this, or what it uses up. I don't think it uses up a bomb. What does it do?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 21:31:35 2017 No.17486184 >>17439488

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 21:40:07 2017 No.17486233 >>17485975 On a side note, those dancing whores are out of control in lunatic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 21:52:44 2017 No.17486285 File: 348 KB, 1024x1024, lang_en-th16-help_06.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17486176

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 21:54:32 2017 No.17486291 File: 225 KB, 360x423, 1495323886898.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17485890 The one who posted with pic related? I hope he gets to beat Mamizou.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 21:58:58 2017 No.17486302 >>17486285 Oh I didn't even notice there was another bar on the bottom left, that clears things up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:09:37 2017 No.17486344 What game has the best music and why is it Mountain of Faith

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:14:50 2017 No.17486361 >>17486176 you could try reading

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:16:58 2017 No.17486369 >>17486344 >best music That's EoSD though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:17:54 2017 No.17486377 >>17486369 post three(3) examples of great music in EoSD

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:19:47 2017 No.17486388 >>17486361 reading is for nerds

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:19:51 2017 No.17486390 >>17486377 Apparitions Stalk the Night, Maid and the Pocket Watch of Blood, U.N. Owen Was Her?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:22:41 2017 No.17486402 >>17486390 >Apparitions Stalk the Night OK >Maid and the Pocket Watch of Blood Mediocre >U.N. Owen Was Her? Meme

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:32:59 2017 No.17486459 >>17486402 >Mediocre Wow okay, of the three the one I did not think would get criticized got the worst end. All this shit taste. Anyway being a meme doesn't take away its quality though.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:36:17 2017 No.17486473

>>17486377
Shanghai Alice of Meiji 17
The Girl's Secret Room
The Centennial Festival for Magical Girls

That said, EoSD has nowhere near the best ost.
That's LoLK.

Frozen Capital of Eternity, Eternal Spring Dream and The Sea Where One's Home Planet Reflects, before you ask.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:42:29 2017 No.17486501 >>17486377 A soul as red as a ground cherry, Chinese tea, Septette for Dead Princess

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:46:09 2017 No.17486524 >>17486344 >What game has the best music UFO.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:49:47 2017 No.17486549 >>17486524 UFO doesn't get anything right. I would say PCB

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:52:47 2017 No.17486570 >>17486549 >UFO doesn't get anything right. Hi, mister casual. >PCB Yep.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:53:46 2017 No.17486582 >>17486570 Get mad all you want about UFO being shit anon, I don't care.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 22:54:16 2017 No.17486588 File: 315 KB, 648x482, chart.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17484163 Whoever made this chart in the last thread. Could you pretty pls make a chart with Mima? (Also with the FMW sprite and portrait)

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:00:13 2017 No.17486634 >>17486582 But I'm not the one being mad that a game dares give me a challenge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:00:54 2017 No.17486641 Can we agree that this is the worst main Touhou game of all time?

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:04:47 2017 No.17486663 [DELETED]

It's twenty fucking seventeen why do people still bother arguing about the music? Shit's all preference. All this can amount to is shitflinging.
>>17486549
>>17486634
Shoutout to this special retard who manages to bring game difficulty into it somehow. Jesus fuck.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:07:25 2017 No.17486677

It's twenty fucking seventeen why do people still bother arguing about the music? Shit's all preference. All this can amount to is shitflinging.
>>17486570
>>17486634
Shoutout to this special retard who manages to bring game difficulty into it somehow. Jesus fuck.
Shoutout to my retardation for the misquote.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:15:47 2017 No.17486705 [DELETED]

>>17486641
Yes.

>Extra boss same as final boss
Never do this shit again ZUN. You should've made a new character fir the Extra. Hell, you could've even had her as Extra boss and brought someone different as a final boss, she would have still been cool as opposed to just annoying.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:17:43 2017 No.17486716

>>17486641
Yes.

>Extra boss same as final boss
Never do this shit again ZUN. You should've made a new character for the Extra. Hell, you could've even had her as Extra boss and brought someone different as a final boss, she would have still been cool as opposed to just annoying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:20:15 2017 No.17486730 >>17486641 SoEW and EoSD are still worse, don't over-exaggerate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:21:05 2017 No.17486736 >>17486634 No, you are mad at an anon calling a shit game shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:23:17 2017 No.17486744 >Stage 5 boss harder than stage 6 boss

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:23:43 2017 No.17486748 >>17486677 >special retard Ouch. You sure destroyed my argument in one swift blow right there. >>17486736 >you are mad Why are you so hell-bent on projecting? Casuals that get snippy at games providing an actual challenge don't make me mad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:25:24 2017 No.17486755 >>17486744 When hasn't this been the case?

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:26:57 2017 No.17486763

>>17486716
What makes her reappearance "annoying"? Are you saying that while being aware of the story? Were you equally annoyed at incidences like Yuuka in LLS, Kogasa having 3 appearances across games, Nue having 2 while being an extra boss, etc? I'm interested in your thought process.
>>17486748
The conversation was originally about the music. Though it seems like some other anon is now trying to instigate shit, how did game difficulty come into play at all?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:28:46 2017 No.17486770 >>17486755 TD, IN, LoLK.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:30:32 2017 No.17486779 File: 507 KB, 640x479, Lunatic Clear.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17485975 Finally got mine as well. I'm not super proud of it, because it felt like I was spamming release by the end, but it's still a good feeling to get a Lunatic 1cc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:31:05 2017 No.17486783 >>17486748 You are the one projecting here anon.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:33:39 2017 No.17486793

>>17486763
>The conversation was originally about the music.
Yes. If your whole problem is that you're mad about the change of topic then you should go moan at the other anon because I /was/ talking about UFO's music at first.

>>17486783
Not really. I like UFO.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:35:02 2017 No.17486802
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>>17486716
Yeah, what the fuck ZUN?
Recycling a character for the extra boss, for fucking shame. This is a completely unprecedented thing, and it's so fucking disgusting. Fuck you ZUN, you ruined Touhou literally forever.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:36:15 2017 No.17486808

>>17486793
You are projecting that hatred towards UFO is always based on it's difficulty, when actually is usually because of the badly designed system and shit hitboxes and let's add it runs on the worst touhou engine so far.
>>17486802
Don't bother, this retard probably doesn't even acknowledges PC98 as touhou games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:38:17 2017 No.17486812 File: 83 KB, 800x641, 1cc chart.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17486779 And my chart.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:38:22 2017 No.17486813

>>17486793
My "problem" is you getting pissy about people talking shit about UFO's music and immediately calling them a casual like difficulty had anything to do with it. Are you just looking for an excuse to show people you're good at UFO or something? Just post a chart or some scores.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:40:39 2017 No.17486819

>>17486763
Who cares about the story, shit could have been modified to not make her appear twice. It's an immediate battle after the first one, and both the longest fights in the game. It's unnecessary, tiring and hurts replayability.
>Yuuka
It's PC-98, it was all still pretty new for ZUN. Also, two Extra bosses.
>Across games
Not comparable. Reappearances happened only as a mid-boss and not in the same game. The only exception to this was Yuyuko but it was merely stage 1. People still complained about her being demoted. I thought it was interesting, because it was a stage 1 boss, not that important and she got two additional spell cards in return. Besides there's been five games inbetween with no appearances in the main game (four if you count IN even though she was a playable character there).

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:41:29 2017 No.17486823 File: 99 KB, 800x641, 1cc chart.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17486812 Huh, that was weird. I guess I have to specify it as an animation every time I amend it.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:44:34 2017 No.17486830

>>17486808
>the badly designed system
Is that what the casuals call it these days?
>and shit hitboxes
I know, right? Fucking game, registering a hit when your hitbox touches a bullet's hitbox, what the fuck man.
>and let's add it runs on the worst touhou engine so far.
Always the game, never your fault.

>>17486813
"UFO doesn't get anything right." has implications beyond the music. Maybe learn how to express yourself properly instead of relying on other people to figure out what you mean to say.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:45:27 2017 No.17486832

>>17486802
>>17486808
>PC-98
Actually, it's people like you who think it's completely okay for a game designer to make the same mistakes they made in their first games the retards who eat up anything they shit out. By the way, cleared all Extras with all characters thus far except for HSiFS and PoFV, one being out for less than a week and the other having a different format.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:47:44 2017 No.17486842 >>17486802 there's a good reason he hasn't done it since anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:49:02 2017 No.17486846 >>17486830 >muh casual Nice, so you can't actually defend UFO, as expected.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:50:26 2017 No.17486853

>>17486819
>Who cares about the story
Oh. So all you're complaining about is that the extra boss IS the same person as the final boss? Even though she has a different theme, different spellcards, and a different portrait? All ZUN had to do to please you was give the Ex boss a new coat of paint and a new name? What a fucking pedantic reason to call a game the "worst main Touhou game".
>>17486830
First, that anon wasn't me.
>implications beyond the music
This could have been any of difficulty, gameplay, art, character design, or story, and the only defense you could come up with to cover all of that was "you're a casual"? Got it. I'm done here.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:50:55 2017 No.17486856

>>17486832
Considering that the HSiFS extra fight takes practically nothing but the character from the final boss fight (even the portrait is different), I see no issue.
If you really want to get mad at cloned extras, there's always Yukari's phantasm, which is just Ran's extra recycled and tweaked.

The whole "it's the same character and that's bad" argument is pretty fucking stupid, anyway, as it implies that you can't do anything new with a character. Besides, giving Okina more time to show off what she can do is a good idea anyway, considering she's a sage, a group that's been alluded to but not truly explored for a long time now.

>>17486842
EX Alice is one of the best extra bosses in the franchise.

>>17486846
Ignore him, he's just a shitposter from another thread who's still pissy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:52:40 2017 No.17486868 I want /v/ to leave

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:54:30 2017 No.17486874 >>17486868 The sad thing is the /v/ threads when the game was releasing were shockingly civil.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:54:56 2017 No.17486879
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>>17486856
>giving Okina more time to show off what she can do is a good idea anyway,
wow she can do this now. thrilling extra. "NOW YOU WILL FIGHT MY TRUE FORM!!!!!" uses basic spirals as nonspells

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:57:18 2017 No.17486888 >>17486388 you're playing touhou

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:57:25 2017 No.17486889 >>17486879 Anon, nobody's going to want to speak to you if you kusopost so blatantly.

Anonymous Tue Aug 15 23:59:19 2017 No.17486898

>>17486846
>no you see it's the GAME'S FAULT!
Nice, so you can't actually say why UFO is so bad, as expected.

>>17486853
Again, anon. I'm not psychic, alright? If you just meant to say that you thought the music was bad, then you could have said that instead of saying that the whole game was bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:00:27 2017 No.17486902 >>17486879 See, "uninspiring Ex nonspells" is valid criticism, which I even agree with. "Final and Ex boss sharing an identity and nothing else for story related reasons I'm not interested in", however, is not. Why am I seriously responding to this?

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:02:53 2017 No.17486917

>>17486853
>>17486856
>It's a different fight
Hardly. Considering how fucking bland and easy Okina's attacks are as a final boss, and how she still uses winter, autumn and summer attacks in the extra, and her Ex non-spells are just 1 (ONE) pattern, she could've very well been mixed into one fight. So no, don't play the different fight card here because as fights of their own, they're shit.
>Phantasm
It was an additional stage. It was not put in replacement of an already existing one.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:03:34 2017 No.17486918

>>17486902
the entire extra is designed the backshot, which is there for story reasons: you need to use the 5th season so you can actually defeat okina. unfortunately this isn't nearly as hard or interesting as zun thought it was which results in a bland and easy extra that doesn't justify the reuse of the same character, when we could've got a well-designed stage around a new character without dumb gimmicks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:05:05 2017 No.17486930 File: 19 KB, 197x188, 1487228889546_0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17486898 keep avoiding anon, just keep at it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:09:15 2017 No.17486954 >>17486918 I thought it was enjoyable twist on the formula, and I found the extra's difficulty to be between HSiFS's Normal and Hard, which is where pretty much every Extra has fallen since MoF. HSiFS is just kind of an easy game, I'm sorry to say.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:10:39 2017 No.17486960 File: 23 KB, 800x500, 1502719913480.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17486930 Don't worry bub. I'm sure if I dodge hard enough I might get at least one actual argument out of you. Maybe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:12:05 2017 No.17486969 File: 55 KB, 685x960, 14938282.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17486960 You already did, but you are too busy dodging it so your shit game doesn't get exposed.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:12:38 2017 No.17486973

>>17486917
>fucking bland and easy Okina's attacks are as a final boss
Post your Okina LNN. Bonus points if on spring.
>she still uses winter, autumn and summer attacks in the extra
Only a select few are seasonally themed and she has an entire 10 new spellcards. This is way too reductive.
>her Ex non-spells are just 1 (ONE) pattern
Literally your only valid point.
>as fights of their own, they're shit
Opinions. I for one am pleasantly surprised that we actually got a spell harder than PDH, even if I'll never realistically fight it in a run myself.
>>17486918
>unfortunately this isn't nearly as hard or interesting as zun thought it was which results in a bland and easy extra
You're not seeing the real reason for this. It's Reimu's homing AND the backshot at the same time that trivializes a lot of the extra. THAT is the real design flaw of extra. Play it on anyone but Reimu and it won't be nearly as bland provided you don't spam releases.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:14:01 2017 No.17486979 >>17486377 Chinese Tea, The Maid and the Pocket Watch of Blood, Septette for the Dead Princess I don't even like EoSD's soundtrack but these in particular are some of my favorite Touhou songs, every game has at least a couple great songs

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:15:48 2017 No.17486986
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>>17486973
I mean I played as Marisa and I still found it kind of easy. I don't think it's a bad extra just because it's on the easy side, though, and using difficulty as an argument is always dumb.

>>17486979
I agree, I can't think of a canon Touhou game that has no songs that I enjoyed.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:17:22 2017 No.17486992

>>17486969
>You already did
I'm interested! So where is it? I don't see it anywhere. All I see is you talking about "fucking hitboxes i dodged the bullet this IS THE GAME'S FAULT THIS IS THE ENGINE'S FAULT I DIDN'T MESS UP THIS GAME IS BADLY DESIGNED" but surely that's not it, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:18:29 2017 No.17486996 >>17486992 So the game having a bad engine and a bad system is suddenly my fault, great.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:20:50 2017 No.17487006 Why are you responding to this shitposter, anon? You do realize he's just going to repeat the same "ur a scrub" nonsense ad nauseam, right?

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:21:28 2017 No.17487007

>>17486779
Good job anon! Did it with Marisa as well, but Winter subseason instead. At this point it feels like any other character with their respective subseason is doable. I also got a good amount of releases in, but the game seems to have been designed around them. I'll get a No Release 1cc at some point but it with those stage 5 bitches and stages 4 and 5, it takes a bit of time to learn. Kind of got the idea of some of the stage parts though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:25:23 2017 No.17487017 >>17486770 I died way way more to Clown than to Junkopops Micrododging wasn't as hard to be honest. The big bars, stripes and starts of freedom and fuck you were much worse

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:25:31 2017 No.17487018 >>17487007 Thanks. It'd be cool to do a no release, but I'm not quite at that level yet, and I'd just like to get all the games I care about lunatic 1cc'd first. Which is to say, any game where Marisa is playable.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:27:56 2017 No.17487026

>>17486986
I feel difficulty could be legitimate criticism if it's too easy (or to put it differently, simple) to the point of being mindless. An example I can think of, while unrelated, is the second Mario and Luigi game. Bosses in that game have attacks that are easy to dodge, but have so much health that you're just spamming special attacks for upwards of ten minutes while not taking much damage. I personally don't think any Touhou games have this problem, but I've heard people criticize TD for similar reasons.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:28:38 2017 No.17487031

>>17486996
Exactly, you getting hit because you dodge like shit is your fault. To solve this, you should stop blaming the game and instead work towards improving your skill. UFO is indeed pretty difficult so I would suggest you play an easier game so you can gradually become better. Almost any of the other games would work for this, with the exception of SA and LoLK (both just as, if not more, challenging as UFO) and PoFV and PoDD (because they are different types of games). Though some people do say they became better at dodging by playing the Phantasmagorias so maybe do check them out? Regardless, it won't take you long to git gud enough to clear UFO and realize how silly you've been. Best of luck!

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:32:36 2017 No.17487047

>>17487026
I think the real issue with the example you gave was not so much difficulty as it is monotony. A well designed game, even if easy, can still be enjoyable. Just look at the Kirby franchise if you want examples of that.
I think HSiFS and TD both have issues, sure, but they go a little deeper than "it's too easy".
That said, I did enjoy HSiFS, and I think it's a great addition to the franchise.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:34:55 2017 No.17487059 >>17486969 is that pic legit? the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:36:01 2017 No.17487063 >>17487059 Yes. It was very dangerous but it was achieved.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:37:34 2017 No.17487071

>>17487031
I like how even when people point out your shitty gimmick, you continue to do it.
I wonder if there's another reason for your shitposting?
Are you a college student who's worried about going back to school? Or perhaps a little younger than that? I'd bet on the later, your style of typing and condescending attitude doesn't line up with what I've seen of college aged posters. They're massive shitposters too, mind you, but they're usually a bit more tactful or ironic about it.

>>17487059
Reimu is a flying maiden, it's ok.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:39:11 2017 No.17487078

>>17486973
Anon, I got of them down in lunatic in my first/couple of first tries. I don't need to show you a LNN replay because everyone knows this, if you don't think this yourself you're either a shitter or are in extreme denial.
>First spell card
Slower Apollo Reflection Mirror, piss easy
>Second spell card (summer)
Slow closing walls of one type of danmaku. Bland and piss easy
>Third spell card (autumn)
This is one of the very few that are actually hard
>Fourth spell card (winter)
Shitty RNG easy to get walled by that does not make for a fun nor creative design
>Fifth spell card
Slow pink bullets coming only from the bottom if you stay in the middle, piss easy
>Sixth spell card
Actually creative and fun to play
So that's what, 2-3 spell cards? Meanwhile all of her nonspells are fucking easy and not complex to figure out.
>entire 10 new spell cards
First is winter, third is summer, fourth is autumn, fifth is autumn again. That's almost half of her spell cards, that is NOT a select few. You can try to excuse her shitty fights as much as you want, but they in no way justify having the two longest battles in the game. She has at most 8-9 worthwhile spell cards which isn't even enough to make 1(ONE) Extra boss.
>A spell harder than PDH
Care to share which it is? As far as I'm concerned no one agreed on PDH being dethroned and if you think it has, you certainly have zero knowledge on high level danmaku design.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:41:21 2017 No.17487091 >>17487071 At least you conceded on the UFO point, since you're trying to shift the conversation into an ad hominen. It's alright, we can end things here. Good luck with the games, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:45:41 2017 No.17487110 >>17487091 I'm not the same anon that you were talking to, I've just seen your shitposting in other threads. Now please, go back to /v/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:53:40 2017 No.17487140 >>17487078 >PDH being dethroned What is this about? Is PDH the new SFN?

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 00:59:55 2017 No.17487166

>>17487078
Actually forgot the sixth spell card could also pass as an autumn attack, while the fifth could be autumn or summer. So that's definitely half her spell cards there. It was dropping the ball by all means.

>>17487140
I'm just quoting one of the expectations in that HSiFS bingo going around.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 01:07:28 2017 No.17487193

>>17487078
To begin with, talk's cheap. Calling a Chiyuri PoDD Lunatic clear "piss easy" means literally nothing.
What really puts this all into question is you calling the third spell hard when it's easily the most consistent. Also, I've watched streamers likely much better than you and I and the second spell was agreed to be pretty annoying so I'm interested in your strategy.
>>Sixth spell card
There's 4. Which one are you talking about? Or do you even know that there's 4? You would have had to known there was 4 if you even opened the spell practice once.
Regarding the extra spells, now that I look at them again, literally none of them are seasonally themed if you just look at their names. If all you're going off of is the color of the bullets then hell I could assign a season to every spell in every game.
>>A spell harder than PDH
Spring final. You probably didn't even know it existed, did you? Go practice stage 6 lunatic with spring and you'll see it.

Overall I'd say if you could at least post some spell histories you'd have some more credibility in what you're saying, with regards to the final boss at least. You're really just assuming things with the extra.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 01:19:34 2017 No.17487225 Spring and Summer are the most bullshit finals in the series

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 01:24:02 2017 No.17487251 File: 449 KB, 512x512, MysticalPowerPlantTitle.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What were the good danmaku fangames again? I can only recall The Last Comer and Mystical Power Plant but I want to try more.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 01:26:10 2017 No.17487260
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>>17487225
I feel you on Spring. Still haven't capped it yet myself but I got super close one time. I do think Summer has something of a strat to it but it's still pretty bullshit all things considered. Just these two alone make me think anyone saying Okina is easy must be out of their minds or just proposing to only play Winter/Fall.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 01:30:56 2017 No.17487276

>>17487251
TLC and MPP are trash.
Try Fantastic Danmaku Festival, Shining Shooting Star, Book of Star Mythology, or Concealed the Conclusion (that last one only if you have at least a slight tolerance for fanon bullshit. Under that it's actually shockingly somber and perhaps even touching.)

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 01:31:07 2017 No.17487277 >>17487251 Book of Star Mythology Concealed the Conclusion The Embodiment of Scarlet Hair

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 01:36:36 2017 No.17487288

>>17487193
But they are piss easy. Go find more people that agree with you than those who don't and I'll buy it.
The third spell is by no means consistent. It's RNG reading mixed with fast aimed bullets. The second one is reading with plenty of time given to you, that's the only strategy you need.
I'm talking about all four actually, since you only get to face one at a time, but ebin conclusions you got there friend.
>Simplistic design, no more than one color per spell card
Maybe the third one could pass as a non-summer one, but the rest are very much seasonally themed, especially that first one since the only other one that uses dark danmaku is a winter spell card. If changing the name of a spell card is reason enough not to let you see how similar in design they are, then you're too dumb to even partake in this discussion to begin with.

>Spring final
Are you shitting me? That thing is half patterned, half medium speed RNG. It is by no means harder than PDH, which is pure fast RNG hell. Go ask ZUN yourself if you please, I'll bet you anything that it took him even less than 1/4 of the 4,000 tries it took him to capture PDH.

My first hand experience is enough credibility to go by, and by far much more than yours. You keep resorting to le ebin "post scores", my friend "x" did it, while I'm here engaging on an indepth analysis of each spell card which you have yet to respond to.
But what definitely outed you as a shitter was
>I'll never realistically face it myself in a run
Or something like that. And that means it's pointless to debate danmaku design with you. Fuck off, and don't come back until you have faced them yourself efficiently as opposed to seeing someone else do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 01:38:03 2017 No.17487294 >>17487251 Unreasonable Mechanism

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 01:41:37 2017 No.17487307

>>17487288
All I'm hearing is that a card is easy because it's not as hard as a card from a game that was designed to be overly difficult.
That said, for a normal run, PDH lacking bomb immunity means that it's more easily cheesed.
Not the guy you're talking too, but just wanted to remind everyone that not every player is going to be aiming for a NMNBNW(hatever) run, and that should be considered when discussing difficulty.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 01:54:53 2017 No.17487351

>>17487307
Wrong, all I said was that it's not harder than PDH. Of course we're talking about capturing it here, otherwise discussion about it is pretty pointless. All things considered you need far less resources for Okina than you need them for Junko, so cheesing them is equally easy. Just get there with two-three bombs to clear the way in the final phase (even if there's bomb immunity) and you're set. You only need one bomb for Junko (two if you're having a bad day) and even that's not much of a difference.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 01:59:24 2017 No.17487363 >>17487277 Is there a download for Concealed the Conclusion the XNA rewritten standalone, non-danmakufu version? I don't wanna set up danmakufu to play it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 02:01:03 2017 No.17487370 File: 678 KB, 1348x997, 2017-07-30 - 08.32.24 ~ Cropped Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17487251 Never Extinguished Flame

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 02:08:43 2017 No.17487395
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>>17487288
>Go find more people that agree with you than those who don't and I'll buy it.
You're the one claiming they're "piss easy". I'm not even saying they're overly hard. The burden of proof is on you.
>the rest are very much seasonally themed
>only other one that uses dark danmaku is a winter spell card
So you ARE literally going off colors. There's nothing I can argue here then. Even if you're going off bullet type, the only real reused seasonal bullet is the fireball. Everything else is stylistically different than everything else she used in stage 6. 1-2/10 cards sure defines a theme. Are you wondering why there's not a balanced 1 or 2 spell per season for her extra spells? Because they're not fucking meant to be seasonal in the first place.

>half patterned, half medium speed RNG
Fuck off out of here. The reading required to not get caught or walled in P4 is easily on par with PDH if not harder. If you're not going to post anything else fucking post a cap of this. Everlasting needing 150 attempts, Mino saying fuck it after 100 (not sure if he has it now) and Yats word by word saying it's PDH tier reading speaks volumes. Infinitely more than you, anon. If you're enough of a bigshot to shit over all of them then probably every single game in the series is bland piss easy trash to you.

>indepth analysis
Your analysis mostly amounted to a brief description of the card followed by "piss easy". That's barely worth acknowledging at fucking all.

> Fuck off, and don't come back until you have faced them yourself efficiently as opposed to seeing someone else do it.
Efficiently or not I don't know, but I can definitely show you I gave them a fair whirl. What the fuck can you show me?

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 02:29:42 2017 No.17487438
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>>17487288
Also I know you don't care about the story but she clearly says here she's going to fight you without using the seasonal powers she's gathered. But hey obviously you know more than ZUN himself, am I right? Just look at those colors! They have to be seasonal!

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 02:30:34 2017 No.17487443

>>17487395
But they're not insanely different from. her simplistic season spell cards, are they? Whih brings us to my original point. She did not need two fights.

>150 attempts
Not enough, try again
>100 attempts
Not enough, try again
>Yats
AHHAHHAHA alright we're getting a little sidetracked here.

A brief description of the spell card and a strategy. What did you bring? Nothing. Perhaps a few screencaps that show your tampered runs I'm guessing, and even then: decent times captured/low amount of tries. Thanks for proving my point.

>Efficiently or not, I don't know
So that's a no, then. Not much anything else to discuss here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 02:39:56 2017 No.17487463 >>17487438 >If the character says she's firing black bullets then she definitely is! E-even if you see with your own eyes they're red! I swear! It must be embarrassing being this fucking retarded.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 02:47:43 2017 No.17487482

>>17487443
>She did not need two fights.
So, what, you would have been cool with it all as long as it was someone else? Like I said, pedantic as all fuck.

As for the rest, holy fuck I've never seen one of my posts deflected so hard. Yeah sorry let me just tamper another 500 spell attempts because you're that worth my time. Might take me a while though so who knows when I'll be back.

>>17487463
Wow, how nice of you! You even resorted to strawmanning just to show me you're out of arguments. Thanks a bunch.
>It must be embarrassing being this fucking retarded.
No more embarrassing than some haughty fuck ignoring all of the story and setting and insisting that he somehow knows more than the creator while being backed up by no more than one fucking iota of evidence.

I'm done. Sage because this board doesn't deserve this shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 03:11:49 2017 No.17487536 File: 51 KB, 419x208, too green.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17484973

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 03:23:20 2017 No.17487568 scoring in this game looks like it requires minimal dodging finally a game for the untalented

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 06:30:19 2017 No.17488044 >>17487568 Last thread was so nice but it looks like we got the shitposting kike back in here

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 07:49:47 2017 No.17488239 It feels like the more I play the worse I get. I keep dying to random shit, failing to deathbomb. My keyboard is horrible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 08:01:02 2017 No.17488279 >>17485051 They're not so terrible ingame, but yeah they're not very nice anyway

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 09:17:50 2017 No.17488487 >>17484928 >futanari Fuck you, why the fuck are almost all orin doujins futa?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 10:32:24 2017 No.17488722 File: 108 KB, 700x990, 1441749913266.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How does your favorite 2hu fare in the games?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 10:32:48 2017 No.17488724 >>17486641 >>17486730 TD exist, guys >Boring music >Introduced terrible 2hus >easy bullets >terrible gimmick

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 10:36:31 2017 No.17488731 >>17488487 Futa IS cute. Orin IS cute. Orin futanari IS THE CUTEST!

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 10:37:14 2017 No.17488737

>>17488724
TD had some good soundtracks, reintroduced one of the best things to come out of IN, and is the only other game aside from IN to actually utilize Spell Practice for more than just practicing in-game spellcards. Plus Miko is the best final boss.

Worst Touhou game is actually PoDD, or maybe HM if you count side games.

Oh, and who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 11:08:37 2017 No.17488832 >>17486473 What about The Mysterious Shrine Maiden Flying Through Space?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 11:10:48 2017 No.17488840 >>17488832 That's also a really good song. Honestly, the only weak song from the entire ost is Sagume's theme, which is part of why I think it's so good overall.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 11:13:17 2017 No.17488850 ｷﾀ━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━ !!!!! http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm31756680 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm31757063

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 11:39:18 2017 No.17488936 >>17488840 Yeah, I'm with you there, LoLK has a really strong OST. I'd hesitate to say it's the best, though, but only because masterpieces like the IN and SA OSTs exist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 12:00:24 2017 No.17489020 >>17484973 Indeed. INDEED.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 12:05:04 2017 No.17489039 >>17486344 SA and MoF are around the same level. Then IN, PCB and EoSD. Finally UFO, LoLK and HSiFS. Fite me bois.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 12:25:16 2017 No.17489113 >>17489039 Why would I fight bad taste?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 12:25:48 2017 No.17489115 >>17489039 I tend to not fight the mentally special.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 12:26:20 2017 No.17489118 >it's PDH tier reading am I crazy or is PDH easier than any of the 3 non-winter season finals?

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 13:12:32 2017 No.17489302

>>17487482
Yes. Someone else = branching out in design, story and gameplay. Stop implying that the excuse for her coming back as an Extra boss isn't shit because it works, but makes for shit storytelling. It's unnecessary.

>tampered spell card attempts
I said runs, read again.

>strawmanning
No, I'm just quoting your retarded thought process here, stupid idiot. I've had arguments all the way from the beginning and all you've been doing since is change the subjects and move the goalposts.

>and insisting that he somehow knows more than the creator
No, I just don't mindlessly swallow everything he shits out as dumbfucks like you do.

>Might take me a while though so who knows when I'll be back
Good, fuck off and don't come back until you're less uneducated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 13:13:19 2017 No.17489304 File: 103 KB, 479x635, junkoangery.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw get to the final spellcard's final phase If i had even one more life I would have gotten my first 1cc holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 13:14:59 2017 No.17489311 File: 35 KB, 149x151, cirn.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is the absolute worst character/season combo for scoring? Is it Cirno Winter?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 13:19:50 2017 No.17489327 >>17489304 Good job, just keep trying and you'll get there!

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 13:28:00 2017 No.17489347 At least we can all agree that The Concealed Four Seasons is one of the best 2hu final boss themes ever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 13:39:51 2017 No.17489381 >>17489347 No we can't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 13:52:37 2017 No.17489414 How do you prefer dealing with Satono and Mai? I usually take Mai for first spellcard and Satono for second, I really feel like avoiding the lagging stars if possible. I've mostly been doing survival runs though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 14:30:09 2017 No.17489529 >>17489347 >Not Nuclear Fusion Nice try!

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 14:39:17 2017 No.17489580 >>17489529 it has some of the best remixes ever but the original isn't the best for sure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 14:40:11 2017 No.17489584 >>17489580 >remixes fuck off, nothing beats the originals

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 14:43:09 2017 No.17489599 >>17489584 the originals are awesome to listen to while playing but as something to standalone listen to many remixes are often better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 14:52:12 2017 No.17489641 >>17489580 >Remixes Irrelevant, Nuclear Fusion is the best final boss theme in the series.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 14:52:55 2017 No.17489648 >>17489414 All Satono.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 15:02:45 2017 No.17489699 >>17489529 To be fair, he did say "one of"

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 15:08:08 2017 No.17489732 is release cheating? the game is easy enough as it is

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 15:12:07 2017 No.17489748 >>17489732 Why would it be cheating?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 15:13:20 2017 No.17489754 >>17489732 >is release cheating? Why would it be cheating? It's a game mechanic. That's like asking if using the BFG in DOOM is cheating.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 15:17:13 2017 No.17489776 >>17489304 I've died on the last card so many times and I finally did it with no lives or bombs a few days ago. Keep going and you'll do it!

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 15:20:18 2017 No.17489786
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>>17484500
>>17485890
>>17486291
I am all three of these and I'm surprised I left any imprint whatsoever. I haven't given up on PCB Hard but I've put it on hold just because HSiFS came out. I got the Normal 1cc last thread (http://replay.royalflare.net/replay2/th16_ud4488.rpy)) and I've been trying Extra, but I really hate the fifth season. Maybe it's because I came right out of using summer, but the release feels like a direct downgrade (it shrinks, moves away from you so you can't stand still and be invincible for more than half a second, and doesn't harm bosses) and the shot moving downwards only exists so ZUN can create what has always been my biggest pet peeve in any shmup of any style: enemies spawning behind you. I also think it's super lame that there are no extra characters in Extra and it's just the Stage 5 and 6 bosses.
I still haven't gotten the hang of Okina's second card, and her third card seems like one of those "release constantly for lots of points" cards but I can't get when to release down and I keep running into the boss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 15:21:01 2017 No.17489793 >>17489599 Not really.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 15:24:34 2017 No.17489811 >>17489347 I'm enjoying it a lot also. I think Byakuren's theme is my favorite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 15:39:32 2017 No.17489889 >>17484546 From easiest to hardest: normal nb, easy perfect, hard 1cc, normal perfect, lunatic 1cc, hard nb.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 15:50:08 2017 No.17489945

>>17484546
It'd be dumb to give a straight answer because Hard's difficulty relative to normal and lunatic varies so wildly from game to game, it's probably the least consistent difficulty.
Easy perfect is probably the easiest of the bunch, though, followed by Normal NB.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 16:42:53 2017 No.17490218 >>17487251 Ressurection of Heaven's Liquor

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 16:45:14 2017 No.17490232 tfw no natural genetic ability

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 16:53:47 2017 No.17490293 >>17490232 Genetics are a meme, everyone is equal The only thing that matters is how much effort and practice you put into it

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 16:58:01 2017 No.17490331 >>17490293 Then explain asians.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 16:59:57 2017 No.17490343 >>17489699 The other ones are Pure Furies and True Administrator. :^) Even Venerable Ancient Battlefield gets the runner up spot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 17:04:17 2017 No.17490369 >>17490331 They care only about results and put more effort than westerners do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 17:06:20 2017 No.17490382 >>17490293 How come my face looks handsomer than yours then, huh?

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 17:15:29 2017 No.17490436

>>17489347
no fighting games:

Lunatic Princess > True Administrator > Border of Life > Pure Furies > Gensokyo Millennium > Suwa Field > Concealed Four Seasons (haven't listened to this enough) > Little Princess > Septette > Nuclear Fusion > Emotional Skyscraper > Fate of Sixty Years

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 17:20:47 2017 No.17490465 >>17490331 Touhou's demographic is mostly Japanese. Larger playerbase = more super players. Also, they generally have more available access to info and strats than westerners do, especially between themselves.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 17:49:44 2017 No.17490592 >>17490436 This is one of the weirder lists I've seen, but I'm glad someone else likes True Administrator. I think your taste isn't bad, but I could never see why people like Lunatic Princess, especially over History of the Moon

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 18:07:17 2017 No.17490668 is focusing cheating?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 18:14:15 2017 No.17490707 >>17490668 No but charging your camera in the photogames definitely is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 18:14:59 2017 No.17490711 >>17490465 there are also more untalented people who put in the time but did not get results so nobody cares about them

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 19:21:29 2017 No.17491035 is pausing to blink cheating?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 19:29:27 2017 No.17491065 >>17490436 This is a really gay list but you like True Administrator so you're cool.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 19:29:51 2017 No.17491069 >>17491035 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 19:30:36 2017 No.17491074 Satona keeps disappearing once her health depletes in spell practice (as in, she disappears, but game keeps running until timing out). At least on normal with Marisa W. Is it game's own bug, or thcrap's?

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 19:37:56 2017 No.17491095

>>17489732
>is release cheating? the game is easy enough as it is
You lose your sub weapon power except in certain situations when you get a lot of bullets.

And in the EXTRA if you use the release too much you end up with very weak ass-bullets, and that fucks you up because EX is designed with enemies that are below you. The EX release is very weak and you generally can't get the power back easily.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 21:35:51 2017 No.17491550 Lmao it's so easy to cheese the game with summer, even in lunatic

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 21:48:41 2017 No.17491609 >>17491550 lmao post a replay or stfu

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 22:06:41 2017 No.17491673 >>17491609 http://replay.royalflare.net/replay2/th16_ud4580.rpy You can do it even after stupid fuckups like I had

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 22:11:26 2017 No.17491688 File: 14 KB, 250x250, 652.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17491673

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 22:15:28 2017 No.17491703 >>17491688 It's a royalflare link. Are you new or what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 22:16:39 2017 No.17491709 >>17491550 >Lmao it's so easy to cheese the game with summer, even in lunatic I mean that's kind of true of every subshot that isn't spring.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 22:26:29 2017 No.17491750 >>17491709 I know autumn is broken, but is it really with winter? I mean the lasers help but the release is kind of shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 22:29:06 2017 No.17491758 >>17491750 The winter release is actually really solid, its longevity makes it great for raking up score.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 22:37:16 2017 No.17491779 >>17491758 Is it the longest? I haven't tried all of the releases yet, only summer, winter and autumn for a very little bit. But I did get almost 30k point item value from one of Nemuno's non-spells alone, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 22:37:55 2017 No.17491784 >>17491779 Either it or Autumn, I haven't really tested it but they can both last a long while.

Anonymous Wed Aug 16 23:04:52 2017 No.17491863

>>17491750
level 6 release is pretty good actually, but only against enemies who fire a lot of shit from the sample place; for example: lily white non-spell and spell on lunatic can be milked pretty good for around 50k ~ 70k depending how she moves after the initial shot, of course timing your release to make it start at the same time she starts firing helps a lot.
Overall it's pretty solid as another anon said, but I won't recomend it for anything but lunatic since you need a huge amount of bullets to make it worth it

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 23:26:23 2017 No.17491954 >>17491863 Interesting. That's kind of a surprise actually since Lily's non-spell seemed to be among the least dense attacks as opposed to her spell card.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 23:30:00 2017 No.17491975 >>17491074 Can confirm this had happened even without thcrap.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 23:31:19 2017 No.17491985 File: 50 KB, 648x482, mima_chart.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17486588 Not him but I was bored so I made one for you, couldn't get her sprite so I used this one instead, hope you like it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 16 23:46:14 2017 No.17492043 >>17490343 Run As Administrator has one of the best intros and best riffs for sure, but the main melody is like shower water alternating between hot and lukewarm. Hidden Star in All Seasons is easily my favorite track in TH16, though.

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 00:07:41 2017 No.17492138

>>17492043
Agreed, it could be better but it's the epic moments (like the drop) what make me rank it so high.

A Pair of Divine Beasts is mine. Okina's themes are alright but eh they're more of the same. Into the Backdoor is the last theme I genuinely like in the OST. Oh and the staff roll theme is nice too.

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 00:19:58 2017 No.17492190
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Tried Book of Star Mythology.

It alright. Music's seriously meh (they really should have just let wanwan compose the entire thing), the characters are bland and forgettable, game's easy (yeah I died 13 times but if Legacy mode is like in LoLK and replaces the bomb fragments with life fragments then I would have 1cc'd anyway), the danmaku itself is nothing special most of the time, the resource system feels tacked-on, stage 4 is for some reason much harder than the entire rest of the game and it does that damn danmakufu thing where it chugs when too much shit is going on despite the fact that I don't get that from the actual Touhou games. Stages 5 and 6 were fun though and "let's ditch Power and keep the player at full all the time" is something I always wanted to see.

I don't know Japanese can someone tell me why there was an ad for Urban Legend in Limbo in ReimuA's ending

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 00:55:09 2017 No.17492322

>>17490293
explain why it takes some people 50 hours to get an LNN and some people can't get it in 200+. i know you're probably going to say something like "inefficient practice", even though the guys who get LNN quickly don't do anything special and just practice bosses and spellcards like everyone else

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 01:10:36 2017 No.17492381 >>17492322 Of course genes are real lel. But also, some ways of practicing and observing videos are more efficient than others.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 01:29:36 2017 No.17492452 >>17492138 >"drop" I listen to drum and bass but that just sounds cringy and wrong. The most you should be able to call it is a breakdown, or prime of the song.

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 01:33:10 2017 No.17492469

I feel like I have a satisfactory "gaming" analogy to the whole talent thing.
Imagine the task as a game with levels and a required amount of experience points for each level. Practice and effort are equivalent to grinding experience. Talent is equivalent to an experience multiplier, scaling with age, not necessarily greater than 1 (e.g. a 0.5x multiplier if you're UNtalented). Experience requirements get much larger the higher your level is, and your experience points naturally drain over time, scaling with age. The amount of time you can use to grind experience is determined by your lifetime. Regular folk might be able to get a very high level through sheer effort alone, but a talented person spending the same amount of effort will reach a much higher level. It's possible to pass a talented person as a normal person if the latter grinds and the former doesn't, but the ones that are talented AND grind are the ones that make it to the very top.
Basically just fucking practice dudes. Even if you don't make it to the top you can still get pretty fucking up there. Unless you're just not suited for these games, then just take it easy and have a good time. Or grind your heart out, if you're so inclined.

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 01:35:07 2017 No.17492478

>>17492322
They clearly inherited the "danmaku" gene, the thing that seperates us from apes.
Previous experience with the genre and similar genre, experience with gaming in general, goals and even mentality can have just as much of an affect on performance as reaction time. To blame your shit performance on genes is disingenuous, and you sure as hell aren't an Adonis for getting a quicker Luni NBNM than someone else.

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 01:55:46 2017 No.17492551

>>17492478
i have a lot of experience with games, put a shit ton of hours into shooting games, always push myself to go for more difficult goals and have the mentality to keep going and practice harder despite shit results, yet i'm garbage. i'm pretty sure there's a flaw somehere in your theory

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 02:03:30 2017 No.17492585 >>17484163 THESE NEW CHARACTERS ARE REALLY UGLY

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 02:07:41 2017 No.17492609 File: 902 KB, 640x480, 1482541566819.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Everybody are playing HSiFS meawhile I'm still getting parallel endings in TD. Marisa in taoist clothes was cute though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 02:41:25 2017 No.17492706 >>17492452 >cringy No, that's just you being a huge autist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 03:24:44 2017 No.17492839 >>17492551 It sounds like you're just trying to discredit people who put more effort and thought in than you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 04:14:17 2017 No.17492973 File: 8 KB, 407x286, 2hus.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I just 1cced UFO on easy! >>17486986 and I can't believe someone saved one of my dumb Marisa sketches

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 04:26:34 2017 No.17492995 >>17492706 I also tried to refrain from using that word but that is what it is. Now YOU stop being the autist who doesn't accept the udesof a word when it is due.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 04:28:32 2017 No.17493004 File: 115 KB, 206x318, 1463394028216.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17492138

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 04:28:37 2017 No.17493007 >>17488936 Where have you been all my life?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 05:23:37 2017 No.17493136 >>17492839 i'm not sure how you got that impression or how you'd know that they put more effort in than i did. sounds to me you're making a lot of assumptions to fit your narrow minded view of how these games are supposed to work

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 05:50:03 2017 No.17493196 File: 25 KB, 400x1090, 1cc chart-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wow, people really have started to customise their charts a lot. Did my little thing to let myself get recognised too though so thats ok

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 06:03:33 2017 No.17493213 File: 15 KB, 552x627, 1cc_chart.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Got every normal clear in PoFV. I'm glad I gave the game another chance. I never realized how much fun it is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 06:09:34 2017 No.17493227 >>17493213 Nice extra clears in all those games. No PCB though?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 06:18:32 2017 No.17493248 >>17493227 Haven't gotten around to it. I also don't have the spellcard requirement for Phantasm yet, which I also haven't gotten around to doing either. I plan on doing TD's extra next, so maybe after that I'll go back to PCB.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 06:26:15 2017 No.17493265 >>17493213 I'm really happy to read this. PoFV gets disregarded a bit too fast sometimes.

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 06:56:27 2017 No.17493323

>>17493248
Do you have to clear the stage while having captured the required amount of spells or can you just capture them whenever after clearing it? Also the extra not that hard, i did it the first time i got to Ran, only had to reset twice to get through the stage more optimally.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 07:04:04 2017 No.17493335 >>17493323 You can cap whenever you want. Anon must want to be able to challenge Yukari after he is done with Ran

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 11:28:50 2017 No.17494126

I've made it up to the Final boss in 天空璋 with a huge amount of resources on Hard, but it looks like I'm not good enough yet to beat the game.

I mean, dat Fall final card, holy shit. I got my ass kicked pretty fucking hard.
Normal mode might be easy for a first try clear, but Hard mode is at least 10 steps beyond. And the final boss definitely is the hardest boss in that difficult, compared to Normal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 11:43:55 2017 No.17494192 So let me get this straight. Spring has: 1) The worst shottype 2) The worst release 3) The hardest Okina final spellcard Why should anyone use Spring?

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 11:52:24 2017 No.17494232
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~4-5 deaths too many for LNBNR grr I'll get it one day.

>>17493196
I think the anon that made the charts was aiming for them to be as simple and compact as possible and I feel a little bad that we're just kind of graffiti-ing all over them. It does make them cuter though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 11:58:58 2017 No.17494257 >>17494232 That straight vertical line on IN... But yeah they serve their purpose regardless, personalisation is just a plus

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 12:51:06 2017 No.17494424 File: 74 KB, 270x235, 1445736823257.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17494192

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 13:41:00 2017 No.17494632 HSiFS Stage 4 theme remembers me to another song but I can't tell which one exactly

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 13:43:09 2017 No.17494645 >>17494192 Spring is definitely not the worst release and the final card is easy for the first three phases.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 14:11:23 2017 No.17494759 >>17494645 >first three phases Which is always the warmup of the real beef of any final spellcard. But i haven't played HSiFS so take that as you will

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 14:12:55 2017 No.17494766

>>17494645
>Spring is definitely not the worst release
Debatable. I'd say it can be better than the others situationally but there's more situations where the others are better.
>easy for the first three phases
Doesn't change the fact that it's still the hardest of the bunch by a pretty big margin.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 14:44:06 2017 No.17494871 >>17487225 But summer is the easiest final

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 15:14:54 2017 No.17494977 File: 595 KB, 640x480, th003.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This time I'm not sure if I will ever recover.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 15:16:46 2017 No.17494984 >>17489786 DDC anon refers to the guy who started with DDC and then tried to continue with it despite being told to switch to pbc

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 15:19:03 2017 No.17494994 >>17494645 It really is. There's no point in the game where it will make up its cost, unlike every other release. >>17494192 Worst shot is summer, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 15:27:13 2017 No.17495044 >>17494977 You can do it, I believe in you!

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 15:55:13 2017 No.17495184 File: 87 KB, 759x448, reimu00.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17495044 The worst thing is that I lost a live on the first spell in a very stupid way, I could have beated it, I'm so sad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 16:06:37 2017 No.17495231 >>17495184 That means you're more than capable of winning! You've got this!

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 16:08:51 2017 No.17495238 File: 27 KB, 500x500, 1393904670988.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17491985 Thanks a lot anon!

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 16:14:53 2017 No.17495265 how the fuck do you get through eiki's reflect spam this is impossible what he fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 16:29:09 2017 No.17495344 Finally 1cc'd HSiFS on normal, I'm badly out of practice. I don't follow stuff here, is Winter Cirno a terrible shot type or something? I liked the mix of spread + laser but people seem to be either not even mentioning it or trashing it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 16:48:50 2017 No.17495408 >>17495344 For the most part Cirno is just flatout worse than Reimu, unless you can point blank a boss which doesn't happen very often.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 16:49:42 2017 No.17495419 File: 1.47 MB, 1190x1678, 62904223_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HSiFS stage 3 is one of ZUN's best. Or maybe I'm in love with Aunn.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 16:50:46 2017 No.17495425 >>17495344 Cirno just sucks in general.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 16:56:42 2017 No.17495447 >>17495425 >>17495408 O-oh. well I guess it's good I still managed to win with her.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 17:05:47 2017 No.17495485 >>17495425 Yet somehow I got to 1cc with her while I tried with the other characters way more and failed

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 17:16:09 2017 No.17495514 >>17495344 I can't even clear some spells the normal way because I time out

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 17:26:14 2017 No.17495547 >>17495265 be more talented

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 17:42:12 2017 No.17495618 File: 28 KB, 800x639, scrub.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17493196 I want to stay humble so I've tried restraining myself from going further than the tiny sprite.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 17:45:30 2017 No.17495630 File: 13 KB, 420x248, 1433534314789.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17493196 That MarisaB on MoF's Extra...

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 17:57:15 2017 No.17495672 File: 86 KB, 256x256, face_01b_00.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I did it! I finally beat PoFV Lunatic with Cirno!

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 17:58:39 2017 No.17495680 >>17495630 Could have used the fix.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 18:00:07 2017 No.17495689 >>17495344 Cirno isn't completely awful. Her bomb is strong, and her shot makes stage 5 easier.

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 18:02:53 2017 No.17495696

I was playing earlier, and I noticed that the point of collection with Cirno felt higher than with Marisa. Is this just my imagination, or does Marisa retain her lower poc in this game? If so, then Reimu has her small hitbox, Marisa has a low autocollect point, so what do Cirno and Aya get?

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 18:03:05 2017 No.17495699
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>>17495618
Actually I need to amend this because I just cleared 16's Extra.
http://replay.royalflare.net/replay2/th16_ud4594.rpy
What the heck that was the easiest survival card I've ever seen. I mean I'm not complaining too much because "too easy" is preferable to LoLK's "hang on people said the last couple games were too easy, hold my beer" difficulty but I'm a bit underwhelmed, the second half of the fight felt easier than the first half, final card excluded.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 18:05:08 2017 No.17495702 >die >lose a life >lose all bombs except 2 Why is this allowed

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 18:05:49 2017 No.17495708 >>17495618 Good job on the SWR clears, i have 2 hard clears on soku but can't wrap my head around certain SWR fight for shit on normal

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 18:06:45 2017 No.17495709 File: 42 KB, 363x207, 1492781644436.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17495702 >>die >>lose a life

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 18:06:50 2017 No.17495711 >>17495702 To remind you that dead-bombing exist.

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 18:09:12 2017 No.17495721

>>17495708
SWR felt like a breeze compared to IaMP, honestly. There weren't any spots in SWR where I really felt "this shit is impossible," while there are a few spells in IaMP that are all-but-guaranteed to take off at least one life. I especially hate Yukari's horizontal laser attack that requires you to super jump to dodge, because the game never accepts my super jump inputs and just has me normal jump. Being able to just fly up like in SWR would've made the spell manageable (if not trivialize it).

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 18:15:09 2017 No.17495741 >>17495721 I remember clearing all characters on IaMP on a certain difficulty about a year ago when i was really into the fighting spinoffs, problem is i don't remember if it was normal or easy mode, i should go back and check when i can

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 18:21:07 2017 No.17495764 >>17495696 Aya gets sanic speed and Cirno gets to be tanned

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 18:23:14 2017 No.17495772 >>17495702 Punishment for being greedy

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 19:09:23 2017 No.17495939 File: 75 KB, 414x260, Yuyuko (1531).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17495672 That's great anon, congrats! Did you have fun?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 19:27:46 2017 No.17496015 >>17495939 It was fun! But I had to stock up on lives before getting to her stage. But now I've done it, thank you anon!

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 19:36:49 2017 No.17496059 File: 988 B, 15x17, zun.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Bloodthirsty Yin Yang Orb doesn't actually make your hitbox smaller >ZUN never fixes this

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 19:37:45 2017 No.17496065 >>17496059 that's an incredible optimized ZUN reaction picture anon

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 17 19:56:48 2017 No.17496178 File: 34 KB, 800x639, 1cc chart.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Decided I wanted to fill one out

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 21:39:29 2017 No.17496687

>>17492190
>it chugs
I'm sorry to tell you this, anon, but aside from maybe CtC, BoSM is by far the most stable danmakufu game.

Also, why the hell are you using PD mode? BoSM really doesn't warrant it, and it makes the game far worse overall. PD was really tacked on.

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 21:45:20 2017 No.17496721

>>17496687
>Also, why the hell are you using PD mode?
I assumed the game was hard enough to merit trying Legendary Hero mode first, like how LoLK did it with Pointdevice. I'll give it another go in regular mode soon though I don't think the experience will be THAT much better.

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 21:54:02 2017 No.17496775

>>17495764
It actually felt to me like Cirno had a longer grace period after dying, but maybe that's just me.

>>17496721
I'd suggest trying it again without it. Though, if you're having issues with lag, you'll probably still dislike the game. I'd consider it the best thing ever made on Danmakufu, honestly, but that's not really a high bar.
But yeah, they clearly just added that mode because LoLK did it, it's incredibly tacked on.

If you want a better fan game, I'd suggest FDF and SSS over it, but those both require a locale emulator because Chinese.

Anonymous Thu Aug 17 23:26:54 2017 No.17497192
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I'm the anon from last night who said they were going to do TD extra after getting every normal clear in PoFV.
Holy fucking shit, this was my fourth honest attempt at the fight. I wasted a life midway through, but ended up capturing Mamizou Danmaku in Ten Transformations my first time ever getting to it. This was my quickest extra clear by far. I started practicing an hour and a half ago.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:00:41 2017 No.17497470 >summer release at the start of Nemuna's final spell card >Deals no damage but my shots themselves spikes enough to take her down in a second after the barrier goes down. Is this a bug or am I missing something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:04:59 2017 No.17497479 >>17487251 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xctKrHjmFGE

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:10:53 2017 No.17497490 >>17497470 Post a replay if you can.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:12:56 2017 No.17497497 >>17497490 I'll save the replay when this run is over, then. Not really too sure how to share it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:16:28 2017 No.17497508 >>17497497 mixtape.moe, royalflare, replays.gensokyo.org, mediafire, whatever you want.

Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:27:12 2017 No.17497538
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Holy fucking shit. I did it, I finally fucking 1cc'd one of these fucking games. Sure it was HSiFS, but still, fucking finally. I'm going to clear with a few other characters before trying PCB and DDC again.

>>17497508
Google says I need to look at my replay folder, but, uh, I'm not seeing one in the game folder itself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:29:02 2017 No.17497545 >>17497538 Windows key+R, type in %appdata% and hit enter, scroll down and open ShanghaiAlice/th16/replays

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:30:55 2017 No.17497552 >>17497538 Oh, and congrats on the clear.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:35:28 2017 No.17497575 >>17495702 Because ZUN hates you and wants you to suffer.

Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:35:51 2017 No.17497577

>>17497545
>>17497508
I couldn't figure out how to get it on Gensokyo (Someone mentioned having to rename files but that didn't work for me)
so I'm throwing it on mediafire http://www.mediafire.com/file/iefl89z1j4831eh/th16_02.rpy

>>17497552
Thanks, for the past few days (granted that's only like 3-5 runs) i've gotten to the final spellcard and lost my continue there. Seeing Aunn in the ending made everything worth it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:39:18 2017 No.17497589 >>17497577 Worth noting it went a bit different from what I remembered. I hit the release before the card started, and it was away from her.

Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:47:38 2017 No.17497614

>>17497589
Yeah I checked it out. Seems like if you release on top of her in that little duration between the second last and last spells she takes drastically increased damage for the final spell. Works with any difficulty and at least summer/winter releases on Reimu. Too bad the spell's already super easy even on lunatic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:50:21 2017 No.17497620 >>17497614 huh, figured it would be something limited to just that spell, though I can't imagine why that works. Might be good for score runs?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:55:57 2017 No.17497630 >>17497620 Nah, you'd want her to die slower on a score run, if anything. The only real use for it is speeding up the spell in a regular clear.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 01:59:23 2017 No.17497639 >>17497630 Really? but wouldn't you get a bigger spellcard bonus?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 02:03:57 2017 No.17497665 >>17497639 Scoring systems are almost always more complicated than that in Touhou games. 16 is no exception. I'll spare you the details but trust me. Speedkilling is the last thing you want to do in this game for scoring.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 02:04:10 2017 No.17497666 >>17494994 Summer is great, dude. It only uses one point of energy and it does a lot of damage when you release it on top of bosses. Only thing bad about it is the low damage spread shot. Still, it's much better than spring and even winter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 02:14:37 2017 No.17497698 >>17497665 I see, I guess that makes sense. I know grazes are a big part of it, but I thought the spell card bonus was really big.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 02:35:55 2017 No.17497741 >>17494424 delet this

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 03:23:17 2017 No.17497867 How hard is HSiFS relative to the other games? Is it easier than IN?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 08:34:40 2017 No.17498873 File: 64 KB, 182x216, Yuyuko (1111).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17497538 >>17497192 Congrats both of you!

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 09:47:15 2017 No.17499132 >>17497666 I meant purely in terms of the shot itself, not the release.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 11:45:36 2017 No.17499499 >>17497577 Gensokyo is old, anon. You should be using http://threplays.appspot.com/replays (tho this one doesn't support HSiFS as of right now). >>17497867 Normal difficulty? Not /the/ easiest but it's definitely one of the easier games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 11:55:24 2017 No.17499548 >>17497867 HSiFS has bigger room for exploiting machanics (release) than IN and most other games but it isn't really the easiest, why did you ask about the comparison with IN by the way? I see it as the easiest.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 13:21:27 2017 No.17499894 >>17499548 HSiFS is like MoF. Hard patterns, but with a mechanic that invalidates that. They're easy, but for different reasons than IN.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 15:33:48 2017 No.17500339 File: 32 KB, 900x700, reimu002.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17497538 I'm so happy you finally got your first 1cc, congrats for not giving up.

Anonymous Fri Aug 18 15:41:14 2017 No.17500364
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>>17496775
Well holy shit, the game really is a lot better in Legacy mode. Still demolished it (only 2 deaths this time) but I had fun doing it and that's what matters. I'll beat Extra and then move on to SSS.

Anonymous Fri Aug 18 16:03:24 2017 No.17500418

>>17500339
>>17498873
I probably would have if I didn't get some encouragement/kept trying DDC exclusively.

Also do characters still move at different speeds in HSiFS? I don't see it mentioned in the game, but it definitely feels that way, and it throws me off a little

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 16:26:15 2017 No.17500470 >>17500418 >Also do characters still move at different speeds in HSiFS? Yeah? Dunno what made you think it wouldn't be case.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 17:14:15 2017 No.17500629 >>17500418 Of course. The speeds are pretty linear this game, Aya > Marisa > Reimu > Cirno

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 18:53:16 2017 No.17500967 SA makes me want to kill myself

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 20:19:18 2017 No.17501257 File: 51 KB, 280x440, 1453014786378.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17500967 Don't do it anon, you have to clear this game so you can move onto greater challenges that will also make you want to kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 22:38:42 2017 No.17501683 >already another 1cc the next day. I think I have the hang of this game. I'm still shit, but I think I'm significantly less shit.

Anonymous Fri Aug 18 22:46:45 2017 No.17501704
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Clearing two extra stages after an hour of practice two days in a row shows me that I have definitely improved after a month of playing these games seriously. I still have a long way to go, but seeing this progress makes me happy.

Anonymous Fri Aug 18 23:31:02 2017 No.17501865
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Is Aya shit? Doesn't have the cover of Cirno and Reimu, shots have shit power, can't dodge a fucking thing because sanic. Should I just git gud or is she objectively the worst character in HSiFS?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 23:33:04 2017 No.17501874 >>17501865 She's actually objectively the best. Decent power and spread, piercing, and by far the best bomb in the game. Get good, you fucking scrub.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 23:36:55 2017 No.17501895 >>17501865 http://replay.royalflare.net/replay2/th16_ud4560.rpy Not the best for survival, but absolute best for scoring by far. Git gud.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 23:47:00 2017 No.17501932 >>17501865 Aya won't be the objectively worst anything as long as Cirno is there. And for that matter, Fall won't be the objectively worst anything as long as Spring is there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 18 23:52:55 2017 No.17501954 >>17501895 Aya doesn't have exclusive fall release access.

Anonymous Fri Aug 18 23:56:55 2017 No.17501974

>>17501954
Setting off bombs that don't damage the boss in order to graze for season is essential to scoring and is exclusive to Aya and Cirno. A faster movement speed means more coverage with the fall release in the same amount of time, and obviously Aya is much faster than Cirno. There is no competition at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 19 00:35:50 2017 No.17502178 Summer is too fucking good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 19 02:38:07 2017 No.17502584 >>17501865 Aya's shot damage is equal to Marisa.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 19 03:03:36 2017 No.17502663 >>17502584 Maybe while shotgunning, but certainly not focused.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 19 04:23:06 2017 No.17502898 >>17501865 >can't dodge a fucking thing because sanic Press Shift to focus.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 19 06:53:55 2017 No.17503274 File: 103 KB, 450x600, Kisume.600.1470894.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17502898 >Press Shift to focus. >still have unfocused speed

Anonymous Sat Aug 19 09:04:27 2017 No.17503618
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Didn't even touch the game for almost a week, then picked it up this morning and cleared the Extra in two tries. And the clear even included THREE deaths to the fucking nonspells, not even the hard ones, but I still finished it with a life in stock.

Last thread people were saying this one was among the hardest to NMNBNR, so I guess he made it easy to clear just to see the story, but hard to actually get good at? It's a welcome change from last time, anyway.

Anonymous Sat Aug 19 11:37:09 2017 No.17504231

>>17503618
>Last thread people were saying this one was among the hardest to NMNBNR
The extra? Not even close. The main game? A lot of sections had their difficulty overestimated during the first few days but a lot of strategies have been found and it's been narrowed down to about 4-6 "problematic" spots that still aren't very consistent. Turns out it isn't THAT bullshit after all but like all LNN(N)s it's not something the average player should expect to get.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 19 11:57:25 2017 No.17504304 >>17501974 The point of Fall is to chain level 1 releases, if you're bombing just to get release on a single-release season then you're doing something wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 19 12:04:39 2017 No.17504333 >>17504304 Read it again, I was talking about scoring, not survival. If you're telling me you think fall scoring doesn't necessitate bombing to build season then you have no clue how scoring in this game works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 19 15:15:43 2017 No.17505101 >>17504333 You mean the scoring system that emphasizes spamming releases (not bombs) as often as possible to gain PIV?

Anonymous Sat Aug 19 15:34:27 2017 No.17505184

>>17505101
Why don't you actually watch a scoring run first before talking like you know anything beyond the absolute basics? You're seriously embarrassing yourself. You probably don't even know that PIV gain scales with how many gauges you release with.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 19 22:10:57 2017 No.17506653 >>17505184 >>17505101 Rekt. Good thing this thread is about to end so that not many people will learn of his failure.

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