Umineko/Higurashi/07th Expansion

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07th Expansion thread.

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>>17332147
Not like I hide this fucking thread every single time it shows up.

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Tfw Battler never accepted Yasu and only cared about his fictional Beato

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>>17332287
Well, Yasu never worked up the courage to confide in anyone about their true self, so he never got the chance. Apparently Ryukishi confirmed in an interview that George would have accepted Shannon if she had told him. I think Battler would have done the same.

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Edit anon here. I finished cleaning another doujinshi and put it up on sadpanda this morning. Hope you guys enjoy.
I haven't decided which doujinshi I want to do next, so let me know if there are any requests.

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>>17332353
>R: I have this feeling that most of the people who arrived at the truth were women, because the key is being able to imagine Yasu’s feelings. Umineko is something that cannot be read by people who never fell in love with somebody. It is something that people who have no experience in love and relationships have trouble understanding. “Love can become a motive that has more power over you than life or death”, that is something which is pretty hard to explain to people without this experience. Most of them will think that it’s just “an overdone motive”. But for people who have known love and experienced how much it can make you suffer, they understand that love can turn your world upside down. If you are told “I will come for you again!” and for 6 years there is nothing, it can make you go crazy, but people who have even slightly suffered due to love will say “those 6 years must have been hell”. But people who no nothing of that pain will probably wait for nothing less than a dramatic gadget to appear, like the heroic story of “at age X her mother and father were brutally murdered”.

>R: And I think people who do not know that, will sadly never understand Umineko. Because Umineko is “the story of a single girl who arrived at that point because she imagined an incident because of the love and madness in herself”, no matter how much I express that, people who don’t share that feeling will never do so. If I had to compare it, it’s similar to a kick in the crotch or menstrual pain. No matter how much more I pile up on my writing by explaining it, it won’t reach the people who don’t know the feeling. How scary must it be, to be told that your partner “wants children”, when you have a body that cannot make love. That’s why Shannon couldn’t speak honestly. Because she thought she would be hated if she were honest. But to be honest, I think if she really told him that, George would be more than happy to modify his plans for the future. But Shannon was far to scared to hear that. And if you turn this around, it means that George really wasn’t just a replacement for Battler. Maybe he was a replacement at the beginning, but at some point she began completely seeing George for the man he was. If you think about that, his comment about children, must have kept haunting her in silence.

Really sad.

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>>17332414
>Ryukishi likening his work to a kick in the crotch
God dammit

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>>17332414
You'd think Shannon would have been more open to the idea of adoption with George, considering the fact that the people she considers her "family" aren't related to her.

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>>17332414
>Umineko is something that cannot be read by people who never fell in love with somebody
I don't know how to feel about this.

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Love is more than 'falling in love with someone'. Love is eternal. Love is proof that we dwell in eternity. Love existed in the past, exists in the present, and will exist in the future. There has never been a single moment when love did not spread its golden wings and soar through time. Never in history has love vanished completely from our world, for there was always someone who loved. Love is the Pegasus that gallops far above the heavenly skies. Love is the hunter who captures the eternal moment of now.

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>>17332456
It's hard to relate to something if you've never experienced it. Like people who don't have depression have a hard time understanding constantly moping depressed people. Even Higurashi had a similar thing going for it with Takano and her father.

>>17332440
It wouldn't truly be her child though. She didn't give birth to it, someone else did. Every time she'd see the child she'd probably think it wasn't truly her. That or remember her body is deformed.

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>>17332159
Glad you came in to share your feelings on it

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>>17332520
Adoption's not as big a deal as you'd think. If someone raises a child all the way from infancy, that child is as much theirs as if they had given birth to it. Being blood related really doesn't matter in the end. For example, Asumu loved Battler as her son even though she likely knew he was actually Kyrie's.

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>>17332584
Didn't Kyrie dislike Battler?

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>>17332679
Secretly, yeah.

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I've started reading higurashi but just found out that remake of answer arcs is not fully released yet. And with the previous speed of chapter's releasing it will take them fucking year.

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Continuing the George hate topic from last thread, am I the only one who kinda relates to him on this? I was always putting girls on pedestals and couldn't understand why they only went for the "douchebaggy", extroverted guys when I was a teenager.

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>>17332841
You're definitely not the only one. That entire discussion was pretty much breaking down the whole "nice guy" idea. Personally I found it very relatable.

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>>17332783
Just download one of the old versions and buy the official release when it comes out.
http://lambdadeltosblog7thuniverse.tumblr.com/

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>>17332841
wear a fedora by chance?

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>>17332925
This is low level bait but do you come to these threads to spout shitty memes and kill any discussion?

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beato

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>>17332456
Yeah same. I've never experienced love and somewhat figured Yasu out.

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>>17332988
anon

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>>17332783
It took Ryukishi 6 months to a year just to write the games. The games are long as fuck too so it's amazing they're getting more than a single one out every while.

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>>17332783
Kouryuu said that they were hoping to have the rest of Kai released by the end of the year. Doesn't look like they'll make it though, unless they release 6-8 together

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>tfw you'll never marry Yasu

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>>17332783
>>17333471
http://blog.mangagamer.org/project-status/
>Tsumihoroboshi, Minagoroshi, and Matsuribayashi are all out of TLC and editing now!

But for now, all we can do is wait.

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>>17332147
That's such a boring way to start a thread.

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>>17334253
If George and Shannon ended up married, would she have kept wearing the fake breasts? Make get (surgical) fake ones?

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How do you goats like your witches:
Flat or busty?

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>>17334350
I like them both.

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>>17332520
Yeah I can relate to Yasu way too hard and it does help in understanding her emotions. Er, of course the murder spree is a bit further than one would go even with empathy (and understanding) but her frustration, despair, insecurity, loneliness, etc are very easy to understand. I can't see someone who has not experienced something at least very similar understanding it too well but that's usually the case with human experiences anyway.

Less so JOJI's supreme gentlemanliness in my case.

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>>17332365
Can u upload the Lambda one, Erika and LambdaxBern?

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>>17334331
Yes. Big boob Shannon would be a prenup requirement.

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>>17335094
It's hard to even imagine Shannon without them. Those boobs are like a part of her identity by this point.

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>>17334858
All are non-h, but sure. The LambdaxBern one actually seems like an official publication, so I'm not sure if it would belong on sad panda once it's done or not.

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Did George really hide Battler's letter to Shannon or did Battler really just forgot about it?

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>>17335149
I like to think that George was the one behind that. He was an insecure asshole back then.

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>>17332988
anon

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>>17332365
Thanks sweet anon. You are the besto.

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>>17335292

BEATO!

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>>17335149
If that wre the case I'm pretty sure it would have been confirmed in the manga just like Sakutaro being a bought toy and other stuff

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>>17334803
>But there are many scenes like that which show how Shannon left the decision to fate. For example at the first twilight in EP1, when George was told by Hideyoshi “You should not look at this corpse!”. If he had gone in, not minding that there would be no face, he would have seen that there was no corpse. It would have meant the end of the incident. Or even if Battler had actually squeezed Shannon’s breasts, he might have noticed that they are fake. Shannon was in a state of mind that said “if it comes to light, let it”.

>K: Will called that walking on a tightrope.

>R: And it really was just that. She had no intention to create the perfect crime from the very beginning. And that is how, even without turning the chessboard over, we return to the question “Why did the culprit send a letter announcing the incident?”. If somebody wanted to commit the perfect crime, it would have been better not to send an announcement and to murder everyone in their sleep. In the end it shows that the culprit had the internal longing to be discovered.

>K: No matter how you look at it, it seems like she was already accepting death. Both the letters before the incident and the message bottles seemed very much like a will.

>R: While there was enough desperation to actually carry out the incident, there was also the wish for somebody to stop her. Many criminals sending out announcements of their crimes might actually be screaming “Somebody, please stop me!”. Even though of course they can not be forgiven.

Did George do anything right

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Is there a way of playing Umineko on a PC with PS3 sprites+voices and Japanese text?

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>>17337354
You mean like using the PS3 tweak, but not the translation?

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>>17337354
You can use rpcs3 and original ps3 game.
Works decent, pic related.
I'm planning to fix graphics bugs in this piece of shit of emulator in the next couple of weeks, at least to make umineko display everything right.

If someone can help me find ps3 Chiru, i will make it work too.

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>>17337938
Any chance, have you tried seeing how Higurashi Sui runs on RPCS3?

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>>17332414
/lit/ here. he is just making excuses for bad writting

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>>17337938
There is a PSP port of Episode 1-4, wouldn't that work better for emulation?

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>>17337938
>If someone can help me find ps3 Chiru
https://mega.nz/#F!Mt5hEAQb!gNC5oKw4f2hvrfVTfr9uxw

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>>17337990
I heard that it works alright.
There is ps2 matsuri btw. Pic related, running fine.

>>17338028
It's maybe easier, but it's not better for sure.
Shitty upscaled 480x272 on psp or real 1080p ps3.
But it's not that hard to fix, just have to dig through shitty code for a couple of days.

>>17338055
Downloading. Thanks.

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>>17338018
>/lit/ here
>>>/lit/

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>>17335883
ANON

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So I read Kaidan to Odorou and it was pretty weak. I liked the art style, though.

The story and characters were shallow and nothing really happened, the twist wasn't good either. I liked the art style at least and it's kind of a precursor to Higanbana.

Speaking of which, the Higanbana manga was quite bad too.

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Why are these threads so slow?

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>>17339487
Because it's a general seven years after the series ended and there's nothing to talk about that won't get you banned.

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>>17339487
>why is /jp/ slow

you have to go back.

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>>17338018
on what fucking authority

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>>17339487
Dunno. Wanna talk about something in particular, Anon? We're all ears, you know. It isn't that easy to talk about a series that ended long ago and that had many of its possible topics already exhausted, you know, but we still try our best.

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>>17332365
Could you not?
>>17332414
That's stupid. I've never met personally anyone who has not fallen in love before. I like to think that some people prefers to forget the experience or just straight up lying to themselves and everyone for some unpleasant memory or because they never expressed their feeling or are too afraid and immature for doing it.
Also, if anything I think you need more common sense and pay more attention to the details to understand the story than having felt love before. I think Ryukishi is just politely trying to tell the haters that they all are just a bunch of emotionally stunted idiots, but that's just me.
>>17339487
Honestly? Because it's a little populated general about a series that has been discussed to death, and also because a huge majority of posters are just perverts who just enjoying degrading the characters.

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>>17337938
>>17338055
Thanks! Is there a working link to 1-4 rom as well by any chance?
To anon working on rpcs3 patch, you're our hero man!

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>>17339859
https://mega.nz/#F!V0QWhKKS!qIU66DP542uBS2g-6ykNFw
>To anon working on rpcs3 patch, you're our hero man!
Have to actually force myself to do it first.

btw I just checked recent version of rpcs3, umineko doesn't work anymore.
At the first glance, it looks like monkeys broke the mutexes.

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>>17339816
If you're bothered by the doujinshi he's uploading being perverted, he mentioned that they're all actually non-hentai.

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>>17339982
They're not all non-hentai. Out of the roughly 50 I bought, 7 are 18+.

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are the steam releases of higurashi good? havent read in awhile

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>>17340037
I stand corrected.

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>>17340070
They're pretty good.

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>>17340072
I've uploaded 2 of the 18+ ones already. Out of the other 5, 2 are with Shannon, 1 is with Gaap, 1 is with Beato, and 1 is with Erika.

The other 40 or so non-h doujins are also pretty nice, featuring all sorts of fun situations. For example, one has Kanon dressing up as a busty maid a going by the name "Nonnon" as he tries to catch Battler in the act of sexual harassment.

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>>17332414
>Only women can love.

Lel. True women are the only one who can't love.

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So, Chiru is working.
With the same graphics bugs as the first one.

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>>17340180
>and 1 is with Erika

please do this one next

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>>17340180
Who cares?

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>>17339499
>>17339746
>got into the series too late

feels bad man, I used to see so many umineko threads on /a/ I couldn't go on while reading, and as soon as I finished they stopped appearing or die after 3 posts.

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>>17341208
I do

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>>17339982
>>17340037
Well, I guess as long as he don't try to post it here is fine.
>>17341218
That's not my problem.

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>>17341222
You seem rather annoyed.

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I identify with Bernkastel on a personal level.

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>>17332925
>>17341208
I'm kinda new to these threads but is it normal to have these kind of posts in a kinda secluded general?

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>>17339982
It's the ban evader. Ignore and report.

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>>17341284
I'm not. I just don't want this place to become a trash can, that's all.
>>17341425
I think you're mistaking me for someone else. The only ban evader here is that pedo poster, which if I have to guess, it's you.

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>>17341414
I've seen much worse. I don't understand the problem.

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>>17341436
>I just don't want this place to become a trash can, that's all.
Well hopefully that won't be the case. I'm just trying to make my contribution by providing new content.

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can someone post the damedame "see therapist" pic

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>>17341626

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>>17341626

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Is there any good place to get the OST for Umineko? Nyaa has a few but it's incomplete

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>>17343511
This helped me collect almost everything Umineko OST related in lossless (when available)

http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=134520

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>>17338725
BEATO!!!!!!!!!!

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>>17343726
thank you

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do any rips of ps2 higurashi sprites exist?

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Which Umineko character do y'all relate to the most?

For me I'd probably say Kanon. He's diligent and yet simultaneously sometimes awkward, sounds a lot like me. Other than that his personality in general just seems to have a lot in common with mine, but I'm not quite sure how to explain it.

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Why are all the best girls non existent conceptual beings?

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>>17345453
Magic.

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>>17341659
This is both sad and hilarious.

I just want to give Shannon the biggest non gay hug.

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>>17345320
Sadly, the one I can relate to most is probably George.

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>>160013773

Umineko getting shit talked in /a/.

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>>17346715
Do this when you link to a different board

>>>/a/160013773

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>>17346715
I post here too, you know.

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>>17346715
>Umineko getting shit talked
Isn't that normal?

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>>17346715
>Did you seriously linked this thread to /jp/ so the umineko defence force can come in? What a loser
Well, he is right.

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anime is terrible henceforth anyone posting on /a/ has terrible taste and their opinion has no value.

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me and a friend were discussing wtc, then he mentioned that satoko is colorblind. Is this true or and I just completely forgot or is he spouting fanon bullshit

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>>17348670
Wasn't that the reason she had trouble distinguishing broccoli from cauliflower? It's been too long since I last read Higurashi.

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>>17348670
I don't remember if it's ever explicitly confirmed, but the implication seems to be that both her and Satoshi are colorblind and that's why they can't tell the difference between cauliflower and broccoli

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>>17348756
>>17348758
i just thought that takano asked that question because satoko is a kid, and did she also ask satoshi the same question too?

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>>17348758
>>17348756
I never got this impression, since broccoli and cauliflower don't even look that similar. I don't think it's supposed to be anything other than some weird jp humour.

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>>17348670
>>17348756
>>17348758
>>17348852
It was mentioned in an Onikakushi tip.

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>>17348911
maybe i underestimate kids, but im sure more than a few kids would at the very least have trouble remembering which one is cauliflower and which one is broccoli

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>>17348913
There is a scene in Onikakushi where Mion makes fun of her for not knowing the difference, but they don't say that she's colorblind

Also, the thing Mion shows her is actually an asparagus. I think she's just retarded, not colorblind

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>>17332414
haha no, anyone who has imagined can imagine this

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>>17349150
No, not in the same way,

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>>17348161
I post on /a/ quite sometimes and I also like the VN. I suppose that means Umi is terrible and therefore your opinion has no value as well, since you like it too.
>>17348670
I'm pretty sure it's mentioned or at least implied somewhere, but I can't remember when. Satoshi-kun is color blind as well, I'm sure, so it makes sense. Now that I think about it maybe he was who mentioned Satoko's condition at some point. Maybe to Shion or something, and also Satoko is a very good at cooking as Keiichi said, so forgetting something so simple is dumb.

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>>17345320
I don't really know. I'm basically a simple, playful honest fun loving person. I tend to get bored very easily, truly a problem, so I'm always looking for new stuff to have fun with, so I guess I will go with Bernkastel. Maria is another option, since I often end up daydreaming, or Kyrie when I get jealous lol

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>>17347967
Umineko is the only fandom I'm in where there's a 100% chance in any given thread/discussion of it there being someone calling it complete garbage and saying the author is a hack and can't write.

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>>17349903
Maybe it's simply trolling, like to make things more interesting. I admit I've done it in the past a few times. I'm not saying that there's no people who didn't like Umineko though, but it's a possibility.

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I'm so ready for WTC5. Honestly, Higurashi and Umineko were fucking incredible. Since then, I feel like R07 has been trying to validate his ego by fucking Tanaka Romeo (which, well, would validate anyone's fucking ego, but dude, stop being gay). If he pulls his shit together and enlists ahego-romeo, we might get the best visual novel series of all time.

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>>17349958
Try to don't hype yourself up so much or you might end up being disappointed, wait it patiently.
Just an advice.

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>>17335114

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>>17350121

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>>17350139

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>>17350180

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Anyone have that pic of an anon flipping out over the Ep. 3 ending? About Beato tricking Battler.

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>>17349958
WTC 5 mathematically can't be better than Umineko.

This is because Umineko is mathematically maxed out in the 'goodness' scale of readings. I know it because I have read more than 50 books.

Goodness scale of reading:

0
| <-- Eragon
| <-- Atlas Shrugged
|
| <-- (WTC 5 pessimistic estimate)
| <-- Higurashi
| <-- Lord of the Ring
| <-- War and Peace
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|
| <-- Les Misérables
|
| <-- (WTC 5 optimistic estimate)
| <-- Umineko

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>>17348161
/a/ has much better Umineko threads than here when Chiru whiners aren't around.

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>>17350938
If by "better" you mean more people saying the series sucks, then sure.

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>>17350995
Read: when Chiru whiners aren't around

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>>17351001
Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you meant people who defend chiru.

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>>17350600

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>>17350139
Man, I was expecting to see a huge amount of porn of Shannon and her boobs once I finished reading Umineko.
I was disappointed in more ways than one.

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>>17352275
let me fix that for you

-his
-"boobs"

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>>17352275
Well, there's 2 Shannon h-doujins coming sometime in the near future, both featuring lots of boobs and paizuri, so look forward to that.

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>>17350617
>Lord of the Rings better than Higurashi
>no The Neverending Story
Shit taste.

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>>17352441
This desu

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I've yet to see a doujin which shows Yasu and his deformed genitals. Not like I've tried that hard to find such a thing, but still.

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>>17353579
Picture a squid that swam into a propeller.

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>>17353597
No wonder poor Yasu was so fucked in the mind.

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PSA: anyone who plays Umineko with the PS3/pachinko sprites and backgrounds or has the voice acting enabled is pic related

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>>17354097
I still can't believe there are people that fucking don't want to listen to the godly voice acting.

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>>17354108
The problem is that it fucks up the flow of the reading and ruins the atmosphere by taking away from the music.

Also Erika does not sound like that... :/

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>>17354131
I think Erika's seiyuu did an amazing job. Can't picture her having another voice.

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>>17354097
PSA: you're blinded by your nostalgia goggles

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>>17354131
Just like voice acting fucks up the flow and ruins the atmosphere from the other thousands of VNs out there, right?

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>>17354131
Erika has by far the best voice acting of the cast, you're being stupid.

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>>17354131
>also Erika does not sound like that
Bwaattleeer-shwaaaaaann!!

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>>17354454
Beatrice and Kinzo also have great picks.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNaaqm8xPU

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>>17354291
>The first game of the Umineko When They Cry visual novel series, titled Legend of the Golden Witch, was first released on August 17, 2007 at Comiket 72.
>A remake for the PlayStation 3, subtitled Majo to Suiri no Rondo (魔女と推理の輪舞曲 , lit. The Rondo of the Witch and Deduction), was released by Alchemist on December 16, 2010.
Enjoy your bland moeblob art.

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>>17355262
And you can enjoy your budget filtered photographs. The original may not have needed professional art and voice acting to be great, but that doesn't mean you need to harp on people for enjoying those additions in the remakes.

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>>17355815
Hating on people using assets from the remake is as inevitable as Ryukishi being called a hack in these discussions.

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>>17355815
Filtered photographs = more atmospheric

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is featherine objectively the most powerful fictional character ever, assuming she has author's authority or whatever its called across every piece of fiction?

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>>17356570
Powerlevelfags need to be gassed.

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>>17356570
>objectively

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>>17356570
Who cares.

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>>17355982
Which is why professional background artists aren't a thing. I'll agree that the filtered photographs can create a nice atmosphere, but drawn backgrounds can be much more striking and have a wider variety of uses.

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I've been reading umineko recently, and I admit I didn't give much thought about the following part of EP5

Erika struggled extremely hard when it came to the knock and letter riddle, and Lambda went as far as denying anyone inside and outside for making the knocking sound and leaving that letter.

So how did it happen in ep5? The only explanation I could have is that the whole thing is misleading and that no letter or knock ever occured exactly at 24:00.

Any thoughts?

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>>17359561
[spolier]If I remember right kanon only pretended to pick it up[/spoiler]

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>>17359561
If I remember right kanon only pretended to pick it up

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>>17359578
>>17359586
Ah, that indeed makes sense.

So the only thing left is the knocking sound then?

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>>17359590
Both the letter and the knocking sound were never actually real. Everyone present just conspired together and lied about it.

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>>17359636
Ah, right
I thought everyone only conspired about the fake murders early on, and the letter/knock part was something entirely different so Lambda could have a shot at Erika.

So simply put, Lambda made such setup and justified it in the gameboard with the premise that the Ushiromiya/Yasu wanted to teach Erika a lesson by claiming some eerie stuff, something like that?

I must admit that ep5 and ep6 are still the most baffling games in term of gameboard arrangements. Reading them after so many years doesn't help either.

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>>17359650
>So simply put, Lambda made such setup and justified it in the gameboard with the premise that the Ushiromiya/Yasu wanted to teach Erika a lesson by claiming some eerie stuff, something like that?
That was ep6. In ep5 yasu wanted her revenge on natsuhi, while the adults wanted her and krauss to confess about kinzo's death.The children probably thought it was just a prank.

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>>17359636
You can tell by the fact that Lambda just drops that mystery altogether later on. It is incredibly flimsy: there is literally no mystery to it, it was just clever red wordings. 100% Lambda though, it's just like her to play to the letter of the rule, but not the spirit.

>>17359650
The very premise of ep 5 is somewhat different of the rest. It lacks love. Literally. Instead of a deeply conflicted Yasu trying to reconcile love and shit, just take a Yasu that wants her revenge on Natsuhi. Same person, entirely different mindset.

[Anonymous No.]

So witch-hunt encourage buying the anime. But why there are half-naked Ange and Leviathan in the ad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360084
Because that was their selling point. Dakimakura with each "gold edition" release.

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>>17359946
>It lacks love. Literally.
Very true. I noticed it was off just because of the motivation. Ronove did mention it was dishonorable after all, moreso when the said gameboard allowed an anomaly for the human side who completely shatter the very balance between Human VS witch.

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>>17360084
>ange
Made for paizuri.

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>>17360084
Well, even the anime production couldn't think of any other relevant quality of the anime except its fanservice. They were promoting every single female character like that, even the hags.

Although I daresay the fanservice of the anime was disgracious to the point it was more of an eyesore than a service.

[Anonymous No.]

Any other seacats satisfying their critical thinking and troll face hunger by watching and reading Kakegurui - Compulsive Gambler?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360118
>>17360084
The only real reason to buy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360523
Bless the Ushiromiya genes!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360535
Indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360269
Best paizuri potential

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360493
I read it. It's alright. The over the top faces feel a bit forced though. They keep doing them at the drop of a hat so that it looses impact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360424
Fanservice of the milfs was to be expected. But even Maria got in on it somewhat.

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>>17360679
do not start this shit again

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360743
I know what you're referring or rather, who to, but I'm actually trying to have a discussion here. I don't want that person to derail it either.

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>>17354304
Most other VNs are written with the voice acting in mind. Ryukishi's writing style is more enjoyable if you read at your own pace without wating for the characters to finish speaking. And if you don't let them finish the sentence, it takes you out of the story and reminds you that you are playing a VN.

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>>17360774
The fact that I'm still here is just mindblowing!

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>>17361116
>Most other VNs are written with the voice acting in mind.

True, but that's kinda the whole point of any remake. It's not going to be the exact same experience as the original was, but it aims to improve upon that experience through the changes it makes. I'd argue that the voice acting still adds way more to the experience than it takes away from it.

>Ryukishi's writing style is more enjoyable if you read at your own pace without wating for the characters to finish speaking. And if you don't let them finish the sentence, it takes you out of the story and reminds you that you are playing a VN.

That's purely a matter of individual preference. Anyone well versed in VNs is well accustomed to voice acting going alongside the text without detracting from their enjoyment of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361116
I'm curious, would you read Iwaihime with the voice acting or would you turn it off because of "Ryukishi's writing style"?

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>>17361363
>>17361458
I'm mostly referring to the action scenes, truth battles and sword fighting in Chiru. I'm not saying they are ruined by the voice acting, but they don't feel the same.

They were a lot of fun in the original, very fast and frenetic. With voices, they feel more like... a play or something. You have to wait for the characters to stop talking even though the scenes are clearly meant to be experienced without voices. You are so pumped up by the music and the story, but you can't read at your own pace without making the characers stop mid sentence and breaking the immersion.

Also, since every scene is much slower than it was meant to be, a lot of songs will loop a couple of times before the scene ends, which cheapens the experience in my opinion. This only happened a few times in the original, but every epic scene suffers from this problem if you add voices.

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>>17361458
I would read it as it was originally released, without adding or removing anything.

>>17349958
I'm so satisfied with Higurashi, Umineko and Higanbana that I wouldn't even mind if Ryukishi stopped writing. I hope we get an amazing WTC5, though.

This series is my favorite thing ever, Ryukishi is a genius. My two other favorite franchises are either dead or casual garbage now, which is a shame. But in the case of WTC, I'm completely satisfied even if R07 decides to stop writing.

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>>17361701
>My two other favorite franchises are either dead or casual garbage now
>casual garbage
...Are you talking about Fate?

[Anonymous No.]

Just thought I should point out that the PS3 version gives you the option to turn off voices. The full port even goes so far as to allow you to mute specific characters. You could mute Maria's annoying "Uu-" for example. Of course, this comes with it's own set of issues, but I think it was cool just how thorough the makers were not just with the new assets but even with the interface. Features like being able to toggle the animations on or off, or having the title of the current track briefly display at the top left so you can easily find it later. They really handled the series with an immense amount of care and respect, which I applaud.

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>>17361819
>Ahh it's not good, not goddamn good
>Rokkenjimagate
>Changing the ending of most tea parties
Yeah "inmense amount of care"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362215
>Beato after the troll phone call: "Ahhhh, I feel so fucking good this motherfucking night!"

But I think that anon is talking about the actual PS3 version released in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362224
>or having the title of the current track briefly display at the top left so you can easily find it later
It could be possible, but I would find it impressive if that is true

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>>17362215
>>17362224
>>17362230
I was talking about Alchemist's PS3 version that the full port is based on, not the port itself. The translation has nothing to do with that.

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I download something long and not-repetitive to replace laughingkids.wav in my Higanbana folder?

[Anonymous No.]

I like how Ryukishi07's pen name and Rena (the mascot of 07thExpansion) are references to his FFV waifu Reina (katakanization of Lenna).

Ryukishi (Dragon Knight, known as Dragoon in the west) 07 (Rei Nana = REINA).

And Rena's real name is Reina. She also looks similar to Lenna's sprite, only with orange hair (ignore the Amano artwork, it's fucking ugly and doesn't fit with the ingame sprites). In fact, the protagonist of FFV (Bartz) looks very smilar to Keiichi in the actual game.

I wonder if Ryukishi thinks his pen name is a bit silly and regrets it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362291
IIRC, he did say in an interview that he suggested people to think more about their pen name. Ryukishi07 was pretty much embarassing at some point for him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362291
>>17362367
>As an aside, Ryukishi07’s pen name also has an interesting origin story. When he had first gotten into the doujinshi scene, his friend BT called up the young author and told him he needed to come up with a pen name to publish his works. The author then asked if he absolutely had to come up with something on the spot, and his friend insisted he did. Ryukishi recalled that at the time he loved the Final Fantasy series of games. So, drawing from that he combined the terms ryukishi (Dragon Knight), the Japanese name of the Dragoon class from Final Fantasy IV, and Final Fantasy V‘s character Reina, which can be written in Japanese as the numbers zero and seven to form his new nickname. Similarly, when naming his doujin circle, Ryukishi07 thought that since the group was an extension of his work, they should be called 07th Expansion, referring to the group’s card game days. The lesson here, Ryukishi laughed, was that if asked to come up with a name on the spot, insist on taking some time to do so that you don’t get stuck with something silly.

Source: http://apgnation.com/articles/2015/05/19/17101/another-round-red-truths-ryukishi07

[Anonymous No.]

Edit anon here. I just finished scanning the next batch of doujinshi I'll be working on, a full 8 pieces this time. The top row are non-h while the bottom row are 18+. I'll start cleaning them over the next several days, uploading them to sad panda as I finish each one.

After this set is finished it'll be pretty much nothing but non-h works for a while. Hope that doesn't disappoint anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362964
thanks for your work anon

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>>17363075
You're welcome. Are there any among these you'd like me to start with?

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>>17360493

Yeah I like Kakegurui too. The anime is also good so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363085
The lewdest

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363118
Gotcha.

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>>17363152
I like how even in this situation you can't quite tell how big they are.

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>>17363245
It's an eternal mystery. It would take a master detective and breast sommelier to accurately grasp their size.

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>>17361819
>the full port even goes so far as to allow you to mute specific characters
This is standard for most VNs. It was pretty annoying that you couldn't do it in Higurashi Sui, I really wanted to mute one annoying guy.
But yeah, it's still impressive how they handled the ports. I especially respect that they got top tier voice actors even for side characters.
Such a shame that both Kaga and Alchemist died.

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>>17363818
Bit of a far off idea, but I wonder if any group would risk remaking WTC5 once it's out. I suppose it would depend on how popular the new series is, but WTC seems to have a track record for killing companies

On a similar note, what are the odds of WTC 5 getting an anime? What are the odds it'll be done by DEEN?

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>>17363845
Why did alchemist actually go out
did their good shit reallty sell that poorly


as for wtc5,with umineko being a pile of crap i doubt deen or any other studio will ever touch wtc unless its very likely to sell well

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>>17363085
anything erika would be great

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>>17363966
Didn't Alchemist go out because Umineko isn't that popular in Japan? They didn't even get to finish the portable port.

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>>17365317
I new Erika would be in high demand, so I tried to focus a bit on her with this batch. Here's what we have.
Top row, middle-left: Purely comedic gag doujinshi.
Top row, far right: Seems to be a mostly comedic Erika x Battler story with some Dlanor and Beato added in.
Bottom row, far left: the only new R-18 Erika doujinshi I could find in stock anywhere. Features wedding dress Erika on Battler.

The other two Non-h doujinshi on the top row also feature Erika, though she is not the focus. >>17363152 for example comes from the middle-right one.

Also worth mentioning is that the Shannon doujinshi on the bottom middle-left is actually a 2-part story, with the second part being a Shion x Satoshi story.

Finally, I've decided to start with the Gaap doujinshi, purely because it's super short (like less than 10 pages) so I can likely finish it today and start another one.

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>>17365327
They did Umineko in 2011 and went bankrupt in 2015. I doubt it had too much to do with their bankrupcy.

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>>17363966
>Why did alchemist actually go out
>did their good shit really sell that poorly

That's the problem. It was too good. Alchemist invested so much into the Umineko remakes that they couldn't possibly hope to make it all back. If I recall correctly, Rondo and Nocturne ended up being sold at around $80 each, which is actually pretty fair considering all that went into it.

>A completely redone interface with tons of options for customization that allowed the player to personalize their experience.
>A thousand or so professionally drawn backgrounds and CGs, with scenery so detailed and pretty that it sometimes ended up overshadowing the characters.
>Dozens of well-made animated special effects like the golden butterflies flying around or the barriers being struck.
>Some full-on animated videos for some of the more notable fight scenes.
>New high-definition character art that delivered on both quality and quantity, with thousands of immaculately drawn sprites Beatrice alone has over 1500, each with its own additional frames for mouth animations. Various new poses added for many of the characters ended up giving the game nearly 4 times as many sprites as the original.
>Top of the line voice acting featuring several A-list VAs, all working on a script the size of than War and Peace. Rondo alone had over 45,000 voiced lines

Add in the incredible soundtrack and story of the original VNs and the PS3 games should have been masterpieces. But, like >>17365327 said, Umineko just isn't that popular. This was also right around when the anime came out, lowering the general community's impression of the series with it's lackluster appearance.

>>17365519
I don't know if Umineko directly caused Alchemist to go bankrupt, but I definitely think it contributed to it. I'd be incredibly surprised if they actually managed to break even with the remakes, let alone make any profit.

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>>17361701
>Higanbana
Good taste.

[Anonymous No.]

Edit Anon here. I had a quick question regarding one of the doujinshi I plan to do in the future. This one here is a collection of Battler X Beatrice works by Slime Kikaku, and is over 150 pages long. Of the 10 stories included in the bundle, 4 have already been scanned and uploaded on sad panda in the past. Is it alright for me to just reuse the preexisting scans for those sections rather than doing it all over again myself? Or are there restrictions on that sort of thing?

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>>17365852
>going into bankruptcy to create a masterpiece
Our hero.

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>>17366141
That's why I get annoyed when people like >>17354097 start trash talking the remake. There's nothing wrong with preferring the original version, but don't start insulting something that clearly had a ton of effort and care poured into it.

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>>17365852
They did shit stuff like gal gun too. It isn't like they were churning games with good sales aside of Higurashi and they pretty much fucked it by doing so many version of them too.

Regardless how much they invested in Umineko, it was a miracle they were still alive thus far.

[Anonymous No.]

You know what just crossed my mind? How the fuck did they not hear the numerous gunshots? The only time I remember anybody hearing a gunshot was during ep 1. Don't give me a shit excuse like it's a big house or that storm was loud, gunshots are extremely loud, i'm pretty sure they are as loud as a fighter jet

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>>17367645
Good question. It's a stretch, but perhaps the noise of the typhoon drowned it out at times? And if the mansion was large enough, would a gunshot still be heard from the opposite end of the building?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367701
gunshots can be heard from a mile away or so.

r07 is a fucking hack confirmed

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367645
A witch must have done it.

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>>17367645
Beatrice uses a quieter revolver pressed against the flesh if possible for the 7 stakes.

The Chiesters are the "new furniture" that Eva-Beato prefers to use and never attempt to be silent. They are usually brought out when a loud and bloody slaughter is the desired result.

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>>17368252
>Beatrice uses a quieter revolver pressed against the flesh if possible for the 7 stakes.
Is this actually mentioned anywhere or is it just speculation? The manga only shows her using rifles as far as I remember

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>>17367645
According to Our Confession rifles apparently don't make sound

>Done with her strangling tool, Beato next grabbed her nearby rifle. And then aiming at Kumasawa's calf, she pulled the trigger. The gunshot wasn't loud... it's not like the 'bang' sounds from TV or the movies. At most, it was as loud as uncorking a champagne bottle.

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>>17368325
this book which I own, which is also the "confessions" story that was released earlier on its own.

Can't speak for the manga, a lot of things probably got tweaked. At any rate the storm was pretty loud and thundering as well as it being a very big well built mansion.

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>>17368341
Oh I could have sworn that passage mentioned it being a revolver and not a rifle. I guess I could be mistaken maybe I should go read it.

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>>17367645
You want the truth? Ryukishi probably didn't thought much about it. No big deal.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck seacats, who Tsukihime here?!?!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369056
I've been planning on reading it, heard nothing but bad things about it though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369056
Can Shiki kill witches?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369174
Don't bother reading it, just watch the anime.

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>>17369056
"cricket sounds"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369405
That's the exact sound witches make, because they don't exist. Shiki could also cut the concept of witches, Umineko would never exist as a VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369429
>because they don't exist
Well, at least we agree with something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369435
>on something
Damn

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369405
"cicada sounds"

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>>17369429
>Shiki could also cut the concept of witches
>cutting a concept
How does that even work? Like, he swings a knife and that rewrites reality so that witches don't exist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369447
"Owl hooting"

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>>17369529
I'd rather hear crows cawing than owls hooting.

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Question regarding ep6
What's the deal with Dlanor sealing blue truth regarding the tape seals on the windows of the other room? It even affected Erika when she was preparing herself against beato.

It sounds like a huge plot convenience for this ep.

As for the finale
Why having Yasu switch from Kanon to Shannon, killing the former in the process isn't a violation of the red truth? The red truc specifies that only Erika and Kanon went in and only Battler went out.

Kanon "dying" in the closet isn't an issue, but Shannon popping in the room should be the catch, no?

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>>17371792
>As for the finale
I need to refresh myself on the specifics, but I thought it was the case that Kanon didn't do any shifting to Shannon in the closet, but allowed Battler to escape by taking the bullet from Erika that she was certain would kill Battler. Battler was the "witch" in that episode, and Kanon was acting as an accomplice.

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>>17372009
Oh yeah and I should elaborate that the magic that defeated Erika was Kanon magically teleporting from a monitored sealed room he shouldn't have been able to escape from and somehow appearing in the hallway to assist without violating any rules. It should answer your question about how Shannon didn't enter or exit the room.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372009
No, Erika didn't shoot him

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>>17372031
in that case Kanon probably became something "other" than Shannon. In that fragment its possible that Beatice/Yasu exists as a separate personality which might explain how it "revived" her entirety after the trick was performed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372031
>Erika figuring out the name/personality thing
wait what? That's definitely manga exclusive right? Is that from ep8?

[Anonymous No.]

so wtc5 is coming out next comiket, right? Or at the end of the year? Is there anything known about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372064
Yeah, the manga of Episode 8 is pretty different from the VN

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372064
same as the VN, EP8 ends with the mystery being uncovered and Erika destroying the Golden Land because she figures out the trick via supernatural intervention from Bern/Featherine cause she's a filthy cheater.

The warned you at the beginning that Beato couldn't win and a there would be no happy endings or miracles. The only small consolation that comes from the entire story is how Ange decides to handle and interpret the events and how she gets a parting shot at Bern by being able to protect the possibility that her brother will somehow come back to her.

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>>17372083
I don't know. R07 doesn't know. Nobody knows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372083
Summer Comiket is less than 3 weeks away and they haven't even revealed the title yet, so I doubt it will be released there. Maybe winter, but nothing has been announced

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372083
Ryukishi only confirmed a while ago that WTC5 was in production.
He usually let people know when the game goes gold. Since he didn't announce that, it is very likely it won't be released before this winter comiket.

Even for umineko, he had lots of preview months prior its initial release, so I wouldn't be surprised if we won't see the first WTC5 release prior natsucomi 2018

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372083
Mark my words, it's going to come out next year in spring.

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>>17372205
>spring
07th Expansion usually only releases games at Comiket (August and December). The only exception I can think of is Last Season of Rose Guns Days which was delayed to Janurary becuase Ryukishi got sick

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372083
He only just started working on it this year. The last update we go from it was back in April at the 07th Expansion Party event, and he was still working on the world to get a feel for the sub characters. He also spends more time working on the first episode because of how important it is with introducing everything.
He can work fast, but I doubt he'll have it ready this year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372271
If I said spring then it's spring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372087
>>17372105
Is episode 8 the only manga version that is worth reading or is there any other manga version that adds extra stuff compared to the VN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372365
Episode 7&8 both have answers, episode 5&6 have great art though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372300
you have to go back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17332147
EVA-Beatrice's red truth in the third game is still my favorite part of Umineko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372438
Nope you didn't say please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372365
The whole manga is worth reading. Especially EP2 if you like CLAMP and noodle people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372636
I genuinely liked Episode 2's art. Some of the really dramatic and iconic scenes looked great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372365
They're all worth reading, but 8's the only one I would argue is required reading. That and the breakdown of the witch's illusion in 7, which was changed so that Will is more explicit with the solutions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372657
It's really a shame they didn't use the same art style for the rest of the chapters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371792
I think the window seal thing was justified, but I don't remember the explanation. About the Shannon thing... Well, she never ENTERED the room, she just appeared there. The red truth only said that Erika, Battler and Kanon were the only ones that went through the door, which is true. In the end, Battler was a terrible game master that had to resort to the Shkanon trick without thinking of any in-universe reason for Kanon to turn into Shannon. Hell, the final battle of EP6 between Battler and Erika wasn't a battle between the witch (game master) and the detective (reader). It was a battle between a cornered author that pulled a plot twist out of his ass and a reader that noticed the plot hole and accused him of being a hack. I find it hilarious how the EP6 story starts as a prank, turns into a real murder and devolves into a nonsensical mess. Ryukishi is a genius.

>>17372009
What the fuck? The bullet and the gun were symbolic. Piece Erika never had a gun in the gameboard, the red truth has nothing to do with it. The guns were a metaworld thing. The scene where she shoots at the closet and it turns out that nobody is inside is a metaworld scene. In the gameboard, time was stopped for all eternity, nobody ever opened the closet, nobody had a gun and Yasu was inside the closet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372663
Yeah, I'm reading ep8 right now. I'm kind of surprised ep5 solution is laid bare in such fashion. In fact, I'm starting to understand why Ryukishi wrote chiru that way: not because the solution is mediocre, but because that kind of exposition is kind of flat.

At least, it kind of confirm my theories back when I read ep5 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372675
Well, the thing is that it was Dlanor who outright forbad the use of blue truth on the window (thus, preventing Gaap to find out the trick with someone sneaking out of the guesthouse), to the point Erika was fucked during the last showdown against Beato, so she had Dlanor lift that restriction.

It kind of feels quite fucked up that the human side could outright deny the use of blue truth for the witch side "just because".

[Anonymous No.]

Pettan~ pettan~ tsurupettan~

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372675
It's even more obvious when you think about the whole plot that Battler thought up. Shannon jumps out of the window, "turns" into Kanon, goes to the mansion and SAVES Battler, allowing him to escape. What did he save Battler from? What did he escape from? Why did they think that Battler would be discovered but someone else taking his place would not?

The piece characters acted as if they were aware of the meta battle going on outside of their reality. Some of their actions made no sense in the story because Battler didn't have the time to think of anything. They had meta-reasons for doing what they did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372708
pieces do what they are ordered to do anon
:^)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372689
I think it had to do with the fact that Gaap or someone else tried to discuss the window seal outside the trial. Or someone used red truth regarding the window without the game master's permission. It's kind of like how illegally obtained evidence can't be used in a trial even if it clearly proves that the defendant is guilty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372720
Now you mention it, it kind of make sense: Dlanor was never obligated answering Gaap questions nor confirm her theories.

In a way Gaap plainly waved a sword in the middle of the party and Dlanor was polite enough to humor her, but then stopped on her tracks since it is "case closed", kinda.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372676
They did a nice job of making the scene interesting using Erika, but yeah, that kind of straight up exposition about the answers is kind of dull if it goes on too long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372676
The youtuber Goldsmith actually made videos of the entire episode 8 manga where he added the music from the vns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6yooK1W4_g&list=PLSKRyR03ySCQBD8b4PTPbeCRqsvfXXg66&index=21

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372708
EP6 is full of fascinating concepts like pieces having meta-motives and the game master being able to modify the "real" story behind the magic as long as it doesn't conflict with the red truth or things observed by the detective.

Beatrice was very kind to Battler. She wrote a plot for each episode and would let Battler win if he solved it. She could have denied her own trick in red every time Battler discovered it and modify the story so that the trick used was something different and consistent with all the truth revealed so far. But she didn't do that.

Seriously, the concept is fascinating. The idea that she could do literally anything with the pieces, the idea that the truth could be anything until Battler steps into the room or whatever and she is forced to decide what he will find inside.

I also loved that scene in EP7 where Yasu makes the key dance in the air and turn into a gold butterfly in the short-lived, unobserved world behind Berune's back. She could have turned the key into a lizard and have it turn back into a key by the time Berune finished cleaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372819
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the game master modifying the story for it to be consistent with the red truth so far was something that could be used only on that game alone, because Battler gave Erika the tape and let her "redo" some of her actions earlier in that day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372862
I don't think it's that they could only do it in that game, it's just that they usually don't because it runs the risk of creating a logic error.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372749
I reached the "Confession" part, and that's probably the part that should have been in the novel

The moment Yasu, or rather Lion learned the truth from Genji and co, it becomes beyond obvious why she would turn completely insane. Forget about the "petty revenge" against battler, which wasn't even vengeance to begin with.

I know it was kind of obvious Lion was the product of incest, but having the story unfolding that to her definitely strike harder. All the furniture stuff looks even more obvious by reading that part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372965
Did you read all 3 chapters of confession? some sites only uploaded the 1st one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372976
I'm currently reading the second chapter, and it seems the third chapter is also uploaded on the website I'm on.

I only learned Lion really hated that Kinzo's blood flew in her veins through the wiki, but as I suspected, reading it firsthand really makes more sense

I'm conflicted /jp/. After all these years, I think Ryukishi still made the proper choice to imposing us the same thing as Ange/goats, but there are really parts that should have been in there.

I wonder how Ryukishi truly felt about that. He must have been through a painful dilemna, and backpedaling with the manga was definitely not painless either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372996
I think of the manga as sort of like Eva's diary. It's a way for readers to check their answers after finishing the VN and coming up with their own interpretations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17373038
Yes, that's definitely the case. But as far as the VN is written and how Ryukishi responded in interviews right after ep8, it is obvious he didn't plan a cheat/solution sheet to begin with.

Similarly how Ange and the Goats were forced to come up with their own truth, Ryukishi wanted us not to stop thinking and going through something that make us self satisfied if our answer is validated by the hints, not the solution itself. If we can't, we have to redo it instead of learning the solution as it is.

Ryukishi succeeded in the process, but definitely lost in his gambit considering the backlash.

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>>17372996
Dear me, I reached that family analysis in the second chapter, and it is downright scary.

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>>17373038
I feel like not having read the manga allows for a wider range of theories. When I heard that the manga reveals all of the mystery, I stopped reading because I didn't want to close off all of the possible theories that Ryukishi wants us to make. The satisfaction that I would get from learning the objective truth is not worth sacrificing all the fun theories I make on here with other anons.

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>>17373201
You can still make theories for fun as a "what if" scenario even after learning the solution. Though I do think it's a good idea to wait a bit after finishing the VN before reading the manga, to give yourself time to think about everything for yourself.

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>>17372862
Nope. The Game Master can always change the mystery plot in the middle of the game as long as the new truth is consistent with everything else. This "alteration of reality" is something that takes place in the unseen world inside the game master's mind, it's not like there is a plot set in stone that he must manually change. The plot is in his head, and he can change it as many times as he wants. How could something that takes place in your head be "forbidden" in other games? It's impossible.

If Ryukishi had a solution prepared for Higurashi but changed his mind halfway through Himatsubushi, nobody would know. As long as the new solution didn't contradict any of the foreshadowing or information from the previous episodes, he could always claim that the NEW solution was the intended solution all along. Nobody would be able to deny it.

The retroactive tape only created problems for Battler because she used it in a way that he didn't predict. He was forced to come up with a new truth that made sense after Erika retroactively made his previous truth impossible. That was his downfall. I wonder what other tricks he had planned to use before Erika ruined everything.

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Man, the confession chapters, but also the reunion between Ange and the rest made the manga worthwhile. But at the same time, I acknocledge that exclusive content for the manga couldn't possibly in the VN unless Ryukishi decides to throw away his idea of making the readers think for themselves.

Two things I'm quite disappointed with that new stuff though


-Shannon and Kanon were pretty much ignored like in the VN when it came to revealing Sayo's mindset. In fact, having Beato apologizing to Ange felt weird, because Sayo was the main personality before she went mad and got her witch mode while devising her murders. I think it would have made much more sense with the 3 of them faced Ange and admitted their crimes as one.

-Absolutely no talk between Ange, Battler, Rudolf and Kyrie. I was kind of relieved Ange didn't went all fluffy with her parents when she was salvaged, but there wasn't any follow up that, like nothing. In the end, just showing that "Rudolf and Kyrie were just spurred in their greed after Eva accidentally shot Natsuhi and Krauss" was just fine for the whydunnit, but that's it. Sayo/Beato got a damn nice characterization as the true mastermind, but Rudolf and Kyrie, as the human culprits, were exceedingly disappointing as result.

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>>17373311
I wonder what you'll think of the magic ending in the manga.

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>>17373342
I've just finished it, but isn't that basically the same as in the VN? I don't see really any difference regarding Ange or Bern/Lambda.

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>>17373491
You get to see an extended version of October 6th without any of the magic bullshit.

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>>17373538
Yeah, it was quite interesting and that makes meta-battler behaviour at the end of ep5 and start of ep6 quite believable now.

It also gives more depth to beato, even though she really got nice characterization already.

I'm also quite surprised that
they even included Eva with everything related to Tohya!Battler. Which explains quite nicely how Ikuko could get her hands on the diary instead of a paparazzi or a policeman.

No wonder why some people kept suggesting me to read the manga ver of ep8. I was against it to keep my theory intact, but in exchange for being corrected in few points, that extra characterization was really worth it.

as >>17373233 said, it is best to wait at least few weeks or even months/year before peeking inside the catbox.

Thank god there is no anime sequel. I don't see how chiru would work with the same incompetent team. Hell, I don't think even a competent scripter/director team would be able to make a proper rendition of Chiru unless they get 2-3 cour worth of episodes.

[Anonymous No.]

fun fact: Umineko consists of approx. ~1.2 million words, making it ~2.6 times longer than the entirety of the lord of the rings series. Considering that the lord of the rings series consists of approx 1.1 thousand pages, we can estimate a print copy of umineko to be 2.86 thousand pages.

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>>17373661
The manga adaptation alone came out to 50 volumes, making it longer than most long-running shounen series.

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>>17373686
This is kind of crazy actually. Dragon Ball for instance is only 42 volumes. And the Hunter x Hunter anime adapted 32 volumes in 148 episodes so an Umineko anime with the same pacing would have over 200

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>>17373754
The Higurashi Manga had 32 volumes, a decent anime adaptation would have been 3x as long as what we got.

[Anonymous No.]

Legend: 4 volumes
Turn: 5 volumes
Banquet: 5 volumes
Alliance: 6 volumes
End: 6 volumes
Dawn: 6 volumes
Requiem: 9 volumes
Twilight: 9 volumes

[Anonymous No.]

So, do the Chiester sisters have actual names, or did Maria actually name her imaginary friends after bullets?

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>>17374092
Yasu probably had influence there

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>>17374099
Their human appearances were also Yasu's idea right? That uniform doesn't seem like something a little girl would think up.

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>>17374120
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and Ryukishi used clothes to satisfy the otaku's requirements.

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>>17332584
What was the point of Battler actually being Kyrie's son? I feel like it contributed nothing at all to the plot. What's worse is that it was foreshadowed as far back as episode 1, yet wasn't fully revealed til episode 8, and had no bearing on anything. We don't even see the reactions of any of the character's involved, really.

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>>17367645
Characters could've mistook it for a sound of thunder, maybe. I agree with you though, gunshots are extremely loud and distinct. I think R07 also brought up how nobody notices how anybody is wet or not from the typhoon and how that plays into their alibis.

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>>17375106
I can only assume it was done for the sake of causing his breakdown in Episode 4.

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>>17375106
As >>17375233 said, that plot point was mostly there to give a proper conclusion to ep4 mental breakdown red.
And that red was necessary to highlight that "truth alone isn't important" but also that the red doesn't work for wrong fact even if the one saying that is 100% convinced about them.

It was also a red herring for culprit battler and stuff.

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>>17375425
Forgot to add but
While it isn't obvious in the VN, the whole baby swap actually give more depth to Rudolf. It isn't like he fucked Asumu and Kyrie at the same time for the lulz: the manga goes extra miles in explaining how he wanted to keep both of them with him and how leaving the situation as it is would be hell, be it Asumu completely annihilated and Kyrie taking advantage of it.

If anything, while Rudolf is clearly the asshole who was largely responsible for this mess, it really felt if he had to choose only 1 girl, it would have been asumu.

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>>17375425
>a red herring for culprit battler

Among other things

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>>17374120
The lewd outfits of the Chiesters and ass-neechans make perfect sense, considering that Yasu really wants Jessica's tits and doesn't seem to love George nearly as much.

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>>17375515
>Yasu really wants Jessica's tits
Well can you blame them?

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>>17369056
This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair!

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Who are some of your favorite umineko moments? Shit that make you excited, surprised, or just confused. I'll start with listing two of my own.

>ep 3 end
>"yes, your majesty"

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>>17376353
>Yes your majesty + dreamenddischarger
It was definitely the hypetrain similar to Episode 3.

Episode 8 all star moment was definitely enjoyable as fuck.

As for surprise:
Ep 6 Erika revealing she "re-killed" everyone. It was a creepy possibility I had in mind, but I didn't expect Erika to do the very one thing that a detective shouldn't even do.

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>>17376457
This! The "Ushiromiya Kyrie cannot save Battler and Erika's murders in episode 6 is my favorite part of the VN along with episode 3 ending. Imagining Erika running around beheading everyone made me so angry I had to quit reading to cool off

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any updates on the fighting game? i've never played it and just want to try it because seacats

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>>17377704
No updates yet.
You should give it a try. It's pretty fun.

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Ange is cute as hell.

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>>17376353
Chapter 5 when Battler is arguing about how Kinzo might have escaped his study. I wasn't really the biggest fan of Umineko in the first place, but that scene was definitely a standout.

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>>17377753
>Battler
a-a-anon......

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>>17377750

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>>17377951
I want to hug her so hard. I'll never have a daughter as cute as Ange ;_;

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>>17377959
You'll never destroy her smile.

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>>17378190

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>>17378190
>>17378194
Bern should fuck off for all eternity.

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>>17378208
She really seems to have it out for Ange in particular.

[Anonymous No.]

Edit anon here. I just uploaded a new doujinshi to sadpanda. Hope you enjoy it. As requested, next up will be the R-18 Erika one.

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>>17373597
>Yeah, it was quite interesting and that makes meta-battler behaviour at the end of ep5 and start of ep6 quite believable now.

Why do you think so?

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>>17378935
I managed to finish the Erika doujinshi faster than expected. It should be up on sadpanda shortly. I haven't decided which doujinshi I'll do next.

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>>17379540
Similarly to Ange, I had hard time to understand why Meta-Battler would go all lovey dovey towards Beatrice. When you consider that she is responsible for this mess as a whole, it is kind of difficult that Battler could warm up so fast like that.

The way how he interacted with Sayo upon discovering the truth did address that issue. The real battler didn't blame her, even though Sayo did attempt a mass murder/suicide because he read between the lines regarding her circumstances.

So yeah, if the real battler could reason like this upon knowing the truth from the culprit on a short notice, Meta Battler going Kinzo mode for Beato sort of makes sense.

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A sunken nazi ship that may or may not have 4 tons of gold aboard has been discovered
We WTC5 now

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What's the name of the BGM that plays until 40 seconds or so in this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrnglvZnMJg

The music box calls this "Purgatory Catastrophe Rhapsodie", but I can't find this elsewhere with this name.

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>>17382821
The dark and crazed requiem of purgatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jADErEGJLQ

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>>17382881
Thank you, my dude.

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>>17382881
>this name
Jesus Christ, absolutely horrifying,

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>>17382923
Truly a masterpiece.

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When is WTC5 getting released?

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>>17382979
No date has been confirmed yet. My guess would be next year at the earliest.

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Why did they decide to raise Yasu as a girl? Fucking idiots.

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>>17383031
It was the 60s/70s and Kinzo isn't exactly the sanest of the bunch.

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>>17383031
It's been tried in real life too - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

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>>17383045
Wow, that sounds kinda like Yasu. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Ryu got some inspiration from that case.

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>>17379605
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>17379789
I was under the impression that Meta Battler had no memories of Rokkenjima Prime,
and that's what he got at the end of the manga when he reunited with Tohya.

But I just realized now, that doesn't make much sense since he knew the truth in Eva's diary, and it would explain why he loved Beato like you said.

Although, I thought the logic dive thing in Ep. 5 was him piecing together the truth while he was 'dead', using the gameboards and his current knowledge, not him regaining memories.

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>>17383031
Because they thought that it'd be easier to raise a girl with no boobs rather than a guy with no dong.

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>>17375913
It's an eyesore.

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>>17372749
>EP6 portrays Erika as a cruel but tragic figure who's not entirely comfortable with the things she has to do for Bern's approval, who Dlanor pities and wants to protect
>EP8 has her suddenly going full Joker, with Dlanor saying she's pure evil who she should have killed

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>>17384243
I once saw someone theorize that Erika's personality got reset upon her revival, undoing all her character development from the previous games. While I don't really believe that's the case, it would explain why she suddenly went that way.

The way I see it, as time went on she likely became more comfortable with the idea that she's supposed to be the bad guy and decided to just cut loose and go with it. Plus it's not like she really has a choice. She may not even have the freedom to disagree with Bernkastel, since she's still her piece in the end.

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>>17384491
She did went through Oblivion, and considering how the narration went when Battler was stuck in the logic error, it isn't surprising if she embraced completely an even more extreme personality considering it feels like an eternity in that kind of hell hole.

After all, Bern and Lambda were also defined as cruel due to their respective oblivion experiences.

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>>17384243
>Erika as a cruel but tragic figure who's not entirely comfortable with the things she has to do for Bern's approval

U wot m8. Wut wut m8, wot.

Even when she cries in ep 6, it's all a fucking trap. She's an unrepentant intellectual rapist through and through, kicking children into the face, killing people left and right like nobody's business, planning to physically rape Battler and to NTR Beatrice with zero remorses, 100% Bernkastel's bitch. The only time when she isn't a total tool is when she is so fucking smug she believes herself BETTER than the literally conceptually omnipotent witch she has for master.

The only redeeming quality she has is a warped sense 'I tried to rape you, now you raped me, it's alright, great job', and that was perfectly kept in the end of ep 8 where she is pretty chill about losing to Battler.

There's literally no change in personality between ep 6 and ep 8.

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>>17384526
I've been wondering this for a while, but what exactly is this "Oblivion" Erika was sent to? It sounds different from a horrible fragment or a logic error. Is it like an empty space in the sea of fragments?

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>>17384577
There's her minor epiphany about the nature of truth during her duel with Beatrice. I agree about her being Bern's tool, but she did have that one moment where she inwardly thought her master was pitiful for running from the truth. There's also the fact that while she seemed to be enjoying herself in the game, she was still fighting with her life on the line as a scapegoat for Bernkastel, who was forcing Erika into it with handicaps and still wasn't risking anything herself.

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>>17384577
Unlike Battler, Dlanor wouldn't be fooled by Erika one bit, yet, she tagged along when Erika opened up a bit and revealed why she can't stand shit like love.
Erika became obsessed by the Truth due to how her relationship with her boyfriend went to shit because she couldn't cut ties with him without the truth. She couldn't deny the circumstancial evidence he still loved her, even though there were toncrap of other evidences that he was cheating on her.

Without that kind of stuff, there is no way Dlanor would have warmed up to her in the end of ep6.

>>17384581
That's a good question, but it is probably a very cruel and lonely place considering how Erika was afraid when Bern mentioned that, and how Bern was musing about this atrocity, which would be on par of defeating battler.

Lambda outright stated that it is because of that trauma that Voyager Witches like her or Bern tend to send other people in such place, so they can tell to themselves they managed to get out of that living hell.

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>>17383543
Should I bother trying to translate it? I've been able to figure out what they're saying with some help from machine translations, but it feels wrong making a translation based on that, like I shouldn't do it unless I'm fluent enough to not need such things.

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>>17384610
>Unlike Battler, Dlanor wouldn't be fooled by Erika one bit, yet, she tagged along when Erika opened up a bit and revealed why she can't stand shit like love.
>Erika became obsessed by the Truth due to how her relationship with her boyfriend went to shit because she couldn't cut ties with him without the truth. She couldn't deny the circumstancial evidence he still loved her, even though there were toncrap of other evidences that he was cheating on her.

And? That's not character development. That's backstory.

She has a pseudo freudian excuse for being a shitty bitch. It doesn't change the fact that she is a shitty, unrepentant bitch in all ep 6, without remorse, without brakes stopping the rape train even for one second. And there is virtually no change in ep 8 about her overall attitude.

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>>17384577
>kicking children into the face
Maria's a screeching autist who needed to wake up and smell reality. Seeing Erika thoroughly blow her the fuck out was satisfying as fuck after Maria's constant tantrums over roses and toys.
>killing people left and right like nobody's business
Battler's fault for writing a happy-go-lucky failure of a mystery that goes against Dine #7. Somebody had to do it if his pieces wouldn't.
>planning to physically rape Battler and to NTR Beatrice with zero remorses
Battler was a whiny little bitch trying to protect a murderer from getting exposed in Chiru, so Erika had all the right to make him suffer for being an accomplice. It's true that Chick-Beato was innocent, but her love for Battler was more like that of a daughter, with Battler trying to force his creepy obsession on her like Kinzo did.

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>>17384625
Woah, calm down, anon.
I never implied Erika was redeemed whatsoever. She does take the role of a villain quite to a T, but you can't just claim "well, she is a 100% shitty bitch" just like that. It isn't like she won a character depth award or anything, but there are actual tidbits that give her more dimension than regular pieces.

Frankly, her cruelty isn't anything I would blame, the same goes for Bern and Lambda. After all, the Ushiromiya and their servants are already dead, except Ange. To them, they are basically characters of a TV show that could be interacted with, but whose fate cannot be altered in any fashion possible.

I mean, you don't apologize to your chess piece when you deliberately use it as a bait in chess right? That's how I see it.

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>>17384653
Woah, I have no issues with Erika being a bitch. I find her entertaining, and I am mostly in agreement with that faggot: >>17384631. Though that faggot is gay and probably has a IQ < 55. He probably doesn't even know how to intellectually rape.

But the question is about her continuity of bitchiness between ep 6 and 8. There's no two ways of seeing it: she's a total bitch in 6, she's a total bitch in 8, she's pretty much the same total bitch. The character's motivation doesn't change, her modus operandi doesn't change, she's the exact same character we know and love to hate.

[Anonymous No.]

So, I know the words at the start of system0 are from star treck, but what about the ones at the start of melting away? Where are they from?

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>>17384625
>That's not character development. That's backstory.
That's just how Ryukishi tends to write characters, in WTC at least. It's kind of hard to justify having a character learn and change themselves in a situation where time keeps rewinding, so Ryukishi instead opts for a different approach. He favors depth over development, making his character's personalities multi-faceted from the start rather than having them be dynamic. For the most part, they don't change over the course of the story, it's just that we the readers get to see other aspects of them that had always been there. That's one of the reasons the meta-world in Umineko was such a great idea, since it gave him a chance to circumvent that issue and add more development on top of that depth.

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>>17384619
its your choice man, but honestly for a h-doujin I dont think its that important

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So how much of Episode 6 was actually planned by Battler? I like the theory that it was all his idea to revive Beatrice, but if it's true there's no way it was planned from the beginning with him bullying Chick Beato and all that, unless that was a part of his plan or something.

Also speaking of Ep. 6, am I remembering wrong or did Battler not talk with piece Beatrice and learn that he should accept Chick Beato as a child, not a replacement, but then literally right after he goes and joins her in the lovers competition?

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>>17384901
I think it had to be at least somewhat planned on Battler's part. There's no way the trick with Kanon hadn't occurred to him. He couldn't have become Game Master in the first place without understanding that trick. It was necessary for him to know it in order to reach the truth. That's why he must have been intentionally withholding that trick for some reason and choosing to go into the Logic Error of his own free will. Though it's possible he was only doing this because presenting that trick to Erika would risk her solving it and reaching the truth as well, thereby killing Beatrice once and for all.

And yes, he accepted Chick Beato as a separate individual who was like Beatrice's daughter, then immediately decided to fuck said daughter should she recover her mother's memories via the trial of love.

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>>17384866
I'll give it a shot then. Just bear in mind that I don't actually know that much Japanese, so the translation may be a bit iffy on areas where I used machine translators for help.

Also, does anyone have any preference on which of these >>17362964
I do next? And does anyone have any feedback regarding this >>17365935 issue?

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Thinking back about what happened in the manga ver of Episode 8, something isn't really right
The manga explains how Sayo as Beatrice didn't die to Kyrie: that there was 1 winchester with dummy ammo. This indeed explains why Kyrie failed to kill both Eva and Sayo. But that doesn't make sense with Rosa's death. And as far as I can tell with episode 7, Eva clearly identified Kyrie as the shooter there.

So what happened? Did Sayo make a bet and put 1 real ammo and the rest as dummy or something, or did they screw up with the manga?

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>>17384901
>>17385009
Considering what the other characters said like Lambda, Battler didn't use that trick with Kanon first because that would expose the very core of Beato mystery. And as >>17385009 said, should Erika figure this out, it would be a disaster.

But on the other hand, some part must have been planned, otherwise Battler would be an absolute moron. I mean, a game master is pretty much the one who controls the chessboard. By that definition, there is no way he wasn't aware of the effect of Erika's retroactive, especiallly for other 5 deaths.

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>>17385351
True. As they mentioned in Episode 8 when Ange disappeared from the mansion, it shouldn't be possible for the Game Master to be unaware of something that's happened on the gameboard. The retroactive seals not withstanding, he should have known right away once Erika started killing people. It's not like your opponent in chess can hide the fact that they're taking several of your pieces.

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>>17385335
She said the gun was loaded with blanks, though she didn't say they were all blanks. Some may have been live, or perhaps Kyrie herself simply loaded a live round into the chamber at the start or something.

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>>17385582
This isn't quite true. The action of a piece can be concealed if that piece has a different master than the Game Master and can lie. Erika in ep 6 can do both.

She isn't taking orders from the GM, we can all agree. She can lie, we can all agree. Then that mean she can lie to the GM about the action she has taken in the game board on Bernkastel orders. If he didn't check, and Battler didn't, then he is pretty much fucked.

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>>17385599
Ah, now that you mention it
The manga shows that Kyrie had bullets in her jacket, and it is very unlikely the winchester had any magazine, but only single bullet chamber. So it is possible that Kyrie loaded a real bullet, then screwed up and had a full package of blanks.

Speaking of which, I wonder if Kyrie didn't realize that after failing killing so many people (which might explain how Jessica survived), and resigned herself when Eva showed up. There is no way Kyrie really think Ange was merely a tool to bind Rudolf to her, so she probably provoked Eva so she would kill her and take care of Ange on "her behalf".

I can't believe I missed stuff like that for so many years.

>>17385654
Well, not knowing Erika's actions as a piece is one thing, but Kyrie, Natsuhi, Rosa, Eva and Maria? That's very unlikely Battler didn't know.
However, in >>17385582 case, I'm pretty sure Battler failed hard because Bern was also a game master, so she interfered regarding Ange has "Piece Ange" was moved out from Battler's Gameboard to hers.

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>>17385689
>That's very unlikely Battler didn't know.

I think he would have known if he had checked. Unfortunately, he never did.

That depends on how exactly the whole GM thingy works. Does Battler have omniscience on the gameboard? I don't think so. I think he needs to actively check data, and he simply never checked that when Erika said she checked on the corpse, she never killed them too.

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>>17385689
I'm pretty sure Jessica just knocked her gun aside before she could fire. She may have even knocked it out of her hand, which would explain why she resorted to beating her to death instead. Also, Kyrie had a knife right? She probably stabbed most of the others with that to avoid alerting everyone with the sound of gunshots.

>I can't believe I missed stuff like that for so many years.
That's just how Umineko is. Every reread brings new discoveries.

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>>17385719
You reasoning is indeed valid. even if a GM knows the layout of the gameboard, he would know what the pieces are doing due to how they "programmed" the said pieces. But any interference by something that isn't within the GM authority might require a status update.

Come to the think of it, every single games in Umineko proper had the pieces solely controlled by Beato. But in Chiru, only the detective piece is outside of the GM authority.

>>17385731
Yeah, I wasn't too sure if she decided using the cross of the winchester because of Jessica's reflexes or if it was because of the blank bullet. She definitely used the knife to slaughter the whole guesthouse without alerting them.

If the blank bullets were a coincidence, I guess Kyrie wasn't confident she would be able to take down Eva like the other, and on the off chance Eva kills her, it is best she provokes her so eva would take care of Ange.

>That's just how Umineko is. Every reread brings new discoveries.
Man, Ryukishi's storytelling paid off, but at what cost?

[Anonymous No.]

Why is Higurashi so comfy?

>you will never move to a beautiful village and be welcomed by a bunch of cute and funny teen/preteen girls that instantly like you and treat you as a friend
Literally zero (0) reasons to live.

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>>17385920
Actually, I have. Back in middle school, I moved out to the countryside to a small town for about half a year. Everyone there knew each other and was super friendly; Within the first 5 minutes of my first day at school, I had several kids come up to me and introduce themselves, all of them able to tell I was new before I had even said anything.

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>>17385115
I'd like the Shannon/Shion one and the Lambda n-h more than the others
thanks for your work

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>>17386041
No problem. I'm currently trying my hand at translating that Erika one. Once that's done I'll start those other two.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the best way to collect the OST? Some stuff is very hard to find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17386934
Depends on how picky you are. The full soundtrack can easily be found in the game's files or on youtube, but if you want it lossless you'll need something like >>17343726

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>>17386956
Thanks!

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Edit anon again. I went ahead and got the Jessica figure along with all those Umineko doujinshi, so I figured I might as well post it.