Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1821

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Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1821 Anonymous Fri Jun 30 21:58:17 2017 No.17260182 [Reply] [Original]

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17245133

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, Jdrama, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 30 22:37:10 2017 No.17260307 what's the quality of the translations in the core 10k?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 30 22:43:37 2017 No.17260326 super great you learn many nihongos

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 30 22:46:31 2017 No.17260330 >>17260307 Even jdict is better and jdict isn't good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 30 22:50:44 2017 No.17260346 File: 137 KB, 300x200, 1484233068877.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17260182 Don't believe in OP's lies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 30 22:50:56 2017 No.17260347 File: 186 KB, 756x720, 1498725288418.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17260326 そうかもね正直、毎日そのこと訝ってるよ

Anonymous Fri Jun 30 23:21:40 2017 No.17260414

>>17260015
Pick something and run with it. Your starting resource isn't as important as the momentum you could be building by studying Japanese right now. You will spend weeks with your grammar guide but a lifetime learning the language so just pick something, okay anon?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 30 23:49:54 2017 No.17260474 File: 261 KB, 794x628, Screen Shot 2017-06-30 at 8.47.09 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] does anyone have a similar deck like this? (clips from anime/drama/game, with audio + subs)

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 00:17:40 2017 No.17260535
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If anyone is wanting to see a more detailed review stat breakdown while in anki here is some modified True Retention code that does just that.

https://pastebin.com/fp7GHFCU

There's a table roughly 40 rows in where you can adjust the interval brackets for the mature cards.
Likewise you can change the displayed names to accurately match the brackets you've set. Or you can # out some of them if it's too busy for your liking.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 00:28:03 2017 No.17260560 I accidentally buried a card. Will it eventually come back again or do I have to manually unbury it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 00:31:16 2017 No.17260567 >>17260560 burying is only for the remainder of the current anki day

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 00:31:37 2017 No.17260570 >>17260535 i dont think i need to add to my neuroticism but thanks all the same

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 00:51:10 2017 No.17260647 >>17260535 What we really need is a graph of our true retention over time. I attempted it but gave up after a couple minutes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 00:53:12 2017 No.17260653 any good jp twitch streamers?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 01:32:10 2017 No.17260743 File: 34 KB, 610x404, wot.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17260653 download streamlink gui, force it to jp only and find them yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 01:37:03 2017 No.17260752 Anybody know any dualsubbed anime or where to find JP subs? How can I put two sets of subs on a show without it looking like garbage? I want to watch episodes slowly so I can read each JP line and pause to read the ENG if I need to.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 01:39:04 2017 No.17260755

I've been trying to get Anki real time import to work but it just isn't working. Every time I press the import button, I get the notification that the note was added, but there are no new cards in my deck. If I check my media the word will show up as "In media folder but not used by any cards". It seems like the media is being important but it's not being turned into an actual card. What is wrong and how can I fix it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 01:49:34 2017 No.17260780 >>17260755 I don't mean to insult you, but are you looking in the right deck? Assuming you're using Rikaisama it throws them into whatever deck was open at the time. >>17260752 http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 01:50:56 2017 No.17260786 >>17260780 Yeah it's definitely the right deck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 01:57:41 2017 No.17260800 >>17260755 Make a card in that deck manually first.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 02:01:40 2017 No.17260814

>>17260800
I don't really know how. If I just put shit in all the fields it tells me "the input you have provided would make an empty question on all cards". I set this up 6 months ago and it worked fine then, and I've changed nothing since then, so I have no idea what to do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 02:07:17 2017 No.17260831 >>17260814 >"the input you have provided would make an empty question on all cards" Can I see a screenshot of your window? I don't have Anki on this computer and I've never made my own cards or used auto import, but I might be able to figure it out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 02:11:31 2017 No.17260845 File: 9 KB, 456x397, anki.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17260831

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 02:14:02 2017 No.17260851 >>17260845 Now can we see what happens when you click "Fields.." and "Cards..."? (Try to merge them into one image, please -- and don't forget to sage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 02:15:34 2017 No.17260863 >「ちゃんと授業に出てればね」 Is the 出てれば just a contraction 出ていれば or am I missing something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 02:20:54 2017 No.17260881 File: 175 KB, 418x589, 56098540698rg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17260851 >and don't forget to sage. おい

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 02:26:00 2017 No.17260900 >>17260863 What do you think? Does it sound logical?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 02:31:16 2017 No.17260922 >>17260881 どういう意味？ There is no need to bump this thread for tech support -- I'll be here -- except I might not because I really need to get on my other machine and do my reps before the day is over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 02:51:21 2017 No.17260982 >>17260814 You don't have a card format set up so all your cards are blank.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 02:55:58 2017 No.17260991 >>17260156 https://8020japanese.com/wa-vs-ga/

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:04:59 2017 No.17261019
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I posted about this in /vn/ and was recommended to come here, so i'll just quote what I said
>i've actually been going to college to teach english in foreign countries, mostly japan and south korea, so I feel like if I learn the language ahead of time, i'll have a much better time while i'm there, thanks a ton for the djt and subreddit, i'll get right onto it. how do you do it every day? i feel like i might start to falter after a bit, do you just force yourself to do it, telling yourself you'll be happier with your choice in the future?
does this seem right? or is there some other secret to sticking to it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:08:34 2017 No.17261028 >>17261019 >how do you do it every day? Discipline. Motivation is only temporary

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:11:36 2017 No.17261030 >>17261019 Read the guide. Do it everyday, or give up and she wins

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:22:42 2017 No.17261069 >>17261019 >is there some other secret Watching lots of anime

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:29:41 2017 No.17261095 Are some VNs not compatible with ITHVNR?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:31:13 2017 No.17261098 >>17261095 Yes, its never worked on katawa syoujou for me

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:31:59 2017 No.17261102 >>17261098 Are some Japanese VNs not compatible with it, then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:36:11 2017 No.17261115 >>17261102 It will be able to hook the amount you need to learn japanese in order to not need it anymore. At least, that is what I choose to believe

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:37:49 2017 No.17261120 >>17261115 Alright then. There was just one it wasn't working for at all so I was curious if it was fixable or just the VN being incompatible for whatever reason.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:41:11 2017 No.17261128 >>17260743 i'd rather go here (twitch url) /directory/all/ then pick japanese in the languages list. just found a cute couple that plays retro games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:45:27 2017 No.17261142 >>17261095 http://agth.wikia.com/wiki/H-codes Some VNs require an H-code.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:51:15 2017 No.17261157 >>17261142 Nah that's not it, it's just when I opened the VN there were 4 different exes to attach and none of them would give me text.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 03:56:21 2017 No.17261170 What was the biggest amount of cards you have reviewed in a single day?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 04:01:45 2017 No.17261186 >>17261157 I guess you need to learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 04:03:38 2017 No.17261193 >>17261186 As far as I can tell from clicking through it it's not even very hard to read. It'll be annoying to have to manually check words but I guess I'll have to deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 04:04:31 2017 No.17261195 >>17261193 Yeah, I guess Flyable Heart isn't that hard even for beginners.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 04:07:50 2017 No.17261200 File: 674 KB, 812x634, ded.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17261195

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 04:23:44 2017 No.17261238 >>17261157 Sometimes you need to load a few lines before a hookable address comes up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 04:35:10 2017 No.17261268 >>17261238 I tried that but no matter how many lines I go through there's nothing but ConsoleOutput

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 04:50:47 2017 No.17261306 >>17260647 https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/808676221

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 05:10:40 2017 No.17261343 女工を見たアメリカの民人は放屁した。　漢人！　４０００

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 05:17:18 2017 No.17261352 Recently started learning. Tae Kim says the ga particle is used for answering questions and the wa particle is used for introducing a new topic, right? Why is it "Ore no Imōto GA Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai" and not "WA Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 05:21:02 2017 No.17261358 >>17261352 new information http://www.japanese-language.aiyori.org/article1.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 05:21:50 2017 No.17261360 >>17261352 Because 俺の妹がこんなに可愛い is a sub-clause modifying わけ. が is often used for indicating sub-clauses in this way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 05:24:46 2017 No.17261365 >>17261352 Cute

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 05:29:14 2017 No.17261379 >>17261358 >>17261360 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 05:30:30 2017 No.17261380 >>17261352 https://8020japanese.com/wa-vs-ga/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 05:34:29 2017 No.17261387 >>17261352 TK says が marks the subject, but a useful (and sometimes misleading) way to see it is to think of it as answering a question

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 05:39:44 2017 No.17261403 >>17261380 It's funny how these explanations always use XはYがZ type sentences. After reading for a while it seems to me like that type of sentence is actually kind of rare, or at least relatively uncommon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 05:44:02 2017 No.17261410 >>17261403 The article has examples for those sentences, but that part opens with >Most non-complex sentences (ie. those without sub-clauses) will only contain either “wa” or “ga”, but there are some that contain both.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 06:16:57 2017 No.17261493 Who's [not] ready for the JLPT tomorrow?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 06:25:00 2017 No.17261506 File: 37 KB, 540x770, 1498885521359.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17261493 そんなことより、ご覧なさい

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 06:28:30 2017 No.17261513 >>17261493 N4 isn't hard, you should be fine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 06:34:22 2017 No.17261522 I guess ITHVNR doesn't work with Tyrano builder-made VNs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 06:39:44 2017 No.17261530 >>17261493 who winter jlpt here going for N2

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 06:46:16 2017 No.17261549 >>17261493 絶対勝利合格決定

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 06:57:53 2017 No.17261575 File: 903 KB, 1242x634, ccc.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17261193 Use this http://mx-futhark.github.io/hook-any-text/ That's how I'm reading CCC.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 07:05:47 2017 No.17261602 >>17261530 Me, probably going for N1.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 07:31:40 2017 No.17261683 >>17261575 Thanks. I'm having trouble figuring this thing out but hopefully it works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 08:18:06 2017 No.17261780 おにいちゃんおなかすいたおうどんたべたい

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 08:59:49 2017 No.17261865 File: 581 KB, 580x800, menu20150120.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17261780 まずは、空腹とひもじいはなにかニュアンスがあるの？

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 09:12:58 2017 No.17261892 >>17261530 going for 一発N１

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 09:14:12 2017 No.17261895 >>17261865 空腹 = hungry ひもじい = poor (thus hungry)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 09:14:31 2017 No.17261897 >>17261865 まいにちの食事のまえがおなかすいたでおなかすいているのに食事がないのがひもじい

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 09:18:18 2017 No.17261907 >>17261683 If you're having trouble getting it to work, you might want to check out kanjitomo. It's an OCR that translates text you point to. I mostly use it for manga, but its my go-to if a VN isn't hooking properly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 09:22:11 2017 No.17261911 >>17261895 >>17261897 ありがとうこの会話の流れ、なんかペコペコ気がぱっと現れた

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 09:34:47 2017 No.17261935 gooks

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 09:36:04 2017 No.17261938 >>17261895 ひもじい(紐爺)=old man prostitute

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 11:04:02 2017 No.17262239 >>17261380 Thank you very much. This was great to understand.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 11:04:02 2017 No.17262240 should I give money to the yotsuba reading pack guy or take his stuff for free?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 11:17:04 2017 No.17262284 >>17262240 Embrace your inner jew. That goyims work belongs the chosen by right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 11:21:53 2017 No.17262298 >>17262284 I don't even know why we haven't yet appropriated his stuff into the CoR.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 11:31:17 2017 No.17262323 Is there a good colloquialism/contractions guide out there? I don't know how yotsuba gets recommended when it's full of that kind of language.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 11:33:18 2017 No.17262332 >>17262323 yotsuba is recommended because of the reading pck

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:00:58 2017 No.17262418
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Help me lads I feel like i'm missing something obvious. so this t-shirt is clearly meant to be saying "hikikomori" but I can't for the life of me recognise that middle character. is it a really poorly aligned 'ko' or is it a totally valid character that i've somehow never encountered before.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:05:46 2017 No.17262423 >>17262418 You'll understand when you get older, kid

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:06:28 2017 No.17262425 >>17262418 Handwritten こ with the line between the top stroke and the bottom not lifted off the page.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:08:10 2017 No.17262431 >>17262418 Think of the stroke order of こ, then imagine drawing it without taking your pen off the paper.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:09:31 2017 No.17262434 >>17262431 >>17262425 You know there's something wrong with the thread when people reward newfags for not practicing hiragana handwriting

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:10:50 2017 No.17262438 its a little late to be noticing that theres something wrong with the thread like 1821 threads late

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:11:14 2017 No.17262441 >>17262425 >>17262431 I assumed lifting the pen off the page to write that was important. or does it not matter because there's no character similar enough to get confused with?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:11:35 2017 No.17262442 >>17262434 You don't need to write out hiragana 50 times, bitch. It's no longer 2010. Anyhow, the hiragana page on realkana has a font or two that mimic that style of writing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:11:59 2017 No.17262444 >>17262441 people dont write like computer so how will you the kid on the computer learn japanese is is quite the conundrum

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:13:01 2017 No.17262449 >>17262441 Well, there's no character similar enough to get confused with unless we're dealing with a humongous faggot like you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:13:06 2017 No.17262450 >>17262442 you do if you don't want to be a pussy ass bitch nigga

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:14:15 2017 No.17262457 >>17262449 hey guys im a ひき乙もり

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:14:35 2017 No.17262460 >>17262449 乙

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:15:36 2017 No.17262463 >>17262457 >>17262460 You're both faggots.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:15:44 2017 No.17262464 >>17262449 you could just start an actual discussion instead of replying to me

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:17:26 2017 No.17262469 >>17262464 Can we start a discussion on how you're a gigantic faggot and should never come back to this thread under any circumstances?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:18:20 2017 No.17262474 >>17262469 yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:19:13 2017 No.17262478 >>17262441 Cursive styles exist in Japanese, this is just a small step towards that kind of style. You'll notice they've done the same thing with き and り

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:19:32 2017 No.17262482 File: 511 KB, 835x1245, 1473087255020.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] レップスしろ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:22:17 2017 No.17262491 >>17262469 you bad mouth him and then give him good advice in the same sentence i cant tell you if you hate him or genuinely wish him the best >>17262482 tell me more

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:24:16 2017 No.17262499 File: 212 KB, 973x1389, Calligraphy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17262478 After you've mastered the cursive kana you're ready to try the cursive kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:26:50 2017 No.17262504 >>17262478 Those are simple enough, though, that こ took me minutes to puzzle out

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:29:35 2017 No.17262512 >>17262499 How about no

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:30:49 2017 No.17262515 >>17262499 i want to report this image

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 12:57:02 2017 No.17262572 >>17261575 Fuck hook any text, couldn't get any text out of like 10 games I tried.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:23:22 2017 No.17262637 >>17262572 I guess you will have to learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:25:47 2017 No.17262647 File: 2 KB, 291x67, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I haven't visited in a while, what's up with the Japanese font on /jp/ now, has it recently changed? It's pretty bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:28:57 2017 No.17262665 >>17262637 Yes, by reading shit I don't care about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:31:38 2017 No.17262673 >>17262647 Pretty sure it should be based on your browser settings? You also appear to have Cleartype turned on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:38:09 2017 No.17262689 >>17262673 I had already spent a while setting up everything to have Meiryo, this is definitely a problem with /jp/. Cleartype is turned on because otherwise it looks like shit, it's standard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:39:06 2017 No.17262694 >>17262689 Check your custom CSS. If there's nothing there, it's your browser's fault in some way. Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:39:47 2017 No.17262699 File: 5 KB, 399x130, 321341234.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17262689 How is it supposed to look then?

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:42:42 2017 No.17262707

>>17262689
>Cleartype is turned on because otherwise it looks like shit, it's standard
It looks like shit without it because you're using Meiryo which doesn't scale down.

At size 16 it has thick/blocky lines here and there, but if you increase the size to 18 it should be fine.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:44:34 2017 No.17262713 File: 21 KB, 438x127, Quote.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17262708

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:50:53 2017 No.17262731 >>17262708 Dunno but complex kanji might just look like black squares with your font don't they?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:50:58 2017 No.17262732 File: 12 KB, 394x109, jp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Check this out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:51:50 2017 No.17262734 File: 75 KB, 4380x1270, Quote2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17262713

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:53:46 2017 No.17262740 >>17262732 You need to increase your font size to avoid those thick lines. Or turn on Cleartype and make everything blurry.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:53:54 2017 No.17262741
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>>17262694
Under Firefox if I press F12 Meiryo isn't even listed bottom right so I assume for some reason my browser stopped using it for 4chan? I have no idea. In the options everything is set to Meiryo for Japanese etc as it should.

>>17262699
Like normal, good looking Japanese, same as pic related for example.

>>17262707
Changing the font size in Firefox's options doesn't do shit, it's useless. I'll give up I think.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 13:56:33 2017 No.17262747 >>17262741 >Changing the font size in Firefox's options doesn't do shit, it's useless Messing around with it years ago it seemed very picky with what it'd enlarge. 4chan? Nope. Amazon jp? Only some of the text (and completely break the layout).

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:00:13 2017 No.17262759

>Under Firefox if I press F12 Meiryo isn't even listed bottom right
Actually it is, whoops. Other than that I recently swapped my old 21.5" monitor for a 24" so maybe that's why it looks sensibly different to me? I still feel something is wrong.
Looking closer >>17262647 it still is Meiryo it seems, just not as thick as I was used to see when I was more active around here.

>>17262747
I think my best bet would be to looking into modding 4chan itself to have more freedom over how everything looks rather than having to rely on Windows/Firefox.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:08:01 2017 No.17262783 >>17262759

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:09:18 2017 No.17262788 Can't recall in Japanese most things I read in Japanese, but I remember the meaning in English. I have trouble rephrasing that into Japanese and have to translate internally from English. How do I get less retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:18:12 2017 No.17262815 File: 6 KB, 334x183, v4lQG3b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hentaigana now has their own unicode symbols. Do they show up for you? 𛀀𛀁𛀂𛀃𛀄 𛀅𛀆𛀇𛀈𛀉𛀊𛀋𛀌𛀍𛀎𛀏

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:19:06 2017 No.17262818 >>17262788 just read more, it comes with time

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:20:12 2017 No.17262819 >>17262815 nai

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:24:11 2017 No.17262830 >>17262815 couldn't find them on unicode lookup

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:25:24 2017 No.17262834 >>17262830 They are part of unicode 10.0 released June 20th

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:41:11 2017 No.17262882 >>17262788 go back and learn all the fundamental japanese you skipped on your journey to texthooking hentai games

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:46:03 2017 No.17262894 >>17262834 found them all in here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kana_Supplement and nope, doesn't work with osx chrome

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:50:40 2017 No.17262909 File: 312 KB, 541x1200, feelpaled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17260182 >tfw trying to raw mango to put current study level to the test >tfw you notice how much you dont know yet after 3 pages

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 14:57:02 2017 No.17262927 >>17262909 Wrong thread for feels faggot, suck it up and learn Japanese or leave.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:00:52 2017 No.17262936 >>17262927 But you can't learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:02:42 2017 No.17262942 This animelon website seems pretty useful, it's too bad I can't stomach anime

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:03:28 2017 No.17262944 それにしてもわたしはゲイ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:04:20 2017 No.17262946 >>17262942 Your mom couldn't stomatch my sticky semen

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:07:03 2017 No.17262953 >>17262942 i love anime so this seems good for me thanks

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:09:26 2017 No.17262957 >>17262909 Shouldn't be using raw manga as a 'study level test'. It should be one of your main study components.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:09:51 2017 No.17262958 >>17262953 it’s　all　yours　my　friend　xD

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:10:53 2017 No.17262961 >>17262957 How many months in should I switch to that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:12:54 2017 No.17262962 >>17262961 one week at most.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:20:18 2017 No.17262989 >The fact that だれも can be used for "everyone" in positive statements is irregular, and every other interrogative has its own irregular "every X", but I can't be bothered to cover them. this sounds unprofessional (it's in sakubi)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:21:34 2017 No.17262995 I've been studying Japanese this whole week but I'm still not fluent yet. How do I get less retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:21:49 2017 No.17262996 >>17262989 sakubi isn't professional so

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:23:58 2017 No.17263002 >>17262995 Exercise Nofap Re-ingest your semen if you do masturbate, to preserve essence Take amphetamines

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:25:02 2017 No.17263007 Does amazon.co.jp not accept US debit cards?

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:35:37 2017 No.17263039

Why are you guys shilling Sakubi anyway? It's even more vague than TK, written by someone not fluent and it's not error checked. It's not good grammar resource yet, let alone an alternative to TK, Genki, Imabi, JTMG, VJG or DOJG like some have mentioned these past few days.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:36:13 2017 No.17263041 >>17263039 They're not shilling Sakubi. They're talking about it. Big difference.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:36:44 2017 No.17263044 >>17263039 TK is written by someone not fluent and it's not even error checked. Whoa.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:37:19 2017 No.17263048 File: 310 KB, 636x642, 1498738018003.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the fug is this top kana supposed to be?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:38:46 2017 No.17263055 >>17263039 Let them shill it, we know it's not reliable and that counts. Everyone that doesn't do research on his learning resources deserves getting fucked.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:40:24 2017 No.17263061

>>17263039
>written by someone not fluent
You'd be surprised how many highly recommended resources this is true for. Either not being fluent in Japanese or not being fluent in English.

>and it's not error checked
The only things that are particularly well error checked are popular college textbooks like Genki and JSL. Even DoJG is full of minor errors, on account of not being a college textbook. You vastly overestimate TK's quality is and how long it took for it to reach an acceptable level of being free from errors.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:42:37 2017 No.17263064

>「内申が良くなるからな」
>「気持ちいいくらい、俗物ですね～」
>高階も気持ちいいくらい容赦ない。
The first line means something like "padding one's transcript" I think, telling from previous lines. I'm a bit off on what 気持ちいいくらい means. Is it just a strong intuition of the next word (being a snob or being merciless in this context)?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:43:05 2017 No.17263066 >>17263039 >>17263055 shit, it's no good? just picked it up after dropping TK. Now what?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:44:06 2017 No.17263069 >>17263066 It really doesn't matter what your beginner's grammar guide is as long as it's not teaching downright made-up grammar (which nothing recommended by anyone here would do) and you finish it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:44:36 2017 No.17263074 >>17263066 keep using it so we know if it's good

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:45:38 2017 No.17263078 How would you translate this 声をかけず行く

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:46:18 2017 No.17263083 The biggest thing I've learned from these threads and the DJT guide, is that it really doesn't matter what you use as long as you consume compelling content (CCC).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:46:23 2017 No.17263084 >>17263078 Leave without raising your voice

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:47:57 2017 No.17263090

>>17263061
>Even DoJG is full of minor errors, on account of not being a college textbook
It's not. You're probably mistaken if you think it's full of little errors. It's written by two pretty renowned native Japanese linguists that work in the UoI. Out of all resources, I'd probably take what it says about Japanese grammar as gospel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:48:58 2017 No.17263095 >>17263090 The errors are not in the Japanese or what they tried to convey, the errors are in things like the translations of example sentences into English and their use of English grammatical jargon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:50:46 2017 No.17263103 >>17263084 Thanks, can you explain how かけず works though, where's the ''without raising''?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:51:25 2017 No.17263106 >>17263041 >>17263044 >>17263061 What about the vagueness? Or did you all learn English with a resource similar to Sakubi?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:51:37 2017 No.17263107 >>17263103 ず is "without" かける is a verb that basically has its meaning determined by the direct object (implied or otherwise).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:52:18 2017 No.17263109 >>17263095 Prove it then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:52:56 2017 No.17263112 Should I buy a DoJG for my shelf? I'm tempted to but I'm scared the romaji would scar me for life.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:53:06 2017 No.17263113

>>17263106
I'm a native English speaker.

How is it vague? I haven't read the whole thing, but skimming through it:

>At the end of a normal sentence, that ends in a verb, in the persent tense, the verb at the end always ends in the vowel "u". But the part that leads up to that "u" can be different. Changing the verb's form can also give you different changes to the earlier syllables. Compare 切る／切った and です／でした.

>Traditional japanese grammar analyzes the long potential form of one-form verbs as られる itself attached to the base stem, not れる attached to a ら. There's no difference between the two interpretations.

>Reality check: なさい can be abbreviated to just な. This is never in conflict with な as in emphasis or prohibition, because it always attaches to the verb-sticky form, not to a statement.

Looks fine to me.

>>17263109
>>/jp/thread/S17175183#p17195443
>>/jp/thread/S17175183#p17195516

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:55:52 2017 No.17263124 The Sakubi shilling is real. Holy fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:56:30 2017 No.17263125 >>17263124 have you finished doing the doijg notes yet

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:56:58 2017 No.17263127 >>17263125 What?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:57:05 2017 No.17263128 The Anti-Sakubi shilling is real. Holy fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:57:26 2017 No.17263130 File: 41 KB, 628x676, 1480124365736.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Could someone post the link to the Genki grammar summary? I want to do a quick review of the first book now that I've finished it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:58:22 2017 No.17263134 >>17263128 Yeah someone in the other thread false flagged as a Sakubi "supporter" a month or two ago and it really pissed off a few people. The effects last to this very day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:59:10 2017 No.17263136 >>17263128 >recommends beginners picking up an unproven grammar guide Fuck off, sakubi-kun. We know you're proud of your guide already.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 15:59:50 2017 No.17263139 Anyway to delete all the pictures at once from the core 6k deck? Many are downright horrifying

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:00:38 2017 No.17263142 >>17263139 Delete your media folder. Post pics

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:03:40 2017 No.17263152 >>17263136 >recommends beginners picking up a grammar guide written in english by a korean that knows japanese and english as second languages and doesn't understand how grammar theory works huh

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:03:50 2017 No.17263153 >>17263130 https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/6koycr/japanese_learning_for_teenagers_discord/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:05:49 2017 No.17263156 To be honest it's kind of depressing that Genki and Tae Kim are so bad that an American shithead with no formal linguistics training was able to write a grammar guide on par with them in less than five months.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:06:31 2017 No.17263160 File: 171 KB, 374x347, 1472174752593.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17263153 I fail to understand

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:09:39 2017 No.17263170 >>17263152 I'm more of a VJG and DOJG advocate but good to know that you're willing to make blanket statements to defend your shit product, sakubi-kun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:10:18 2017 No.17263172 >>17263160 https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/6conjn/outlinegrammar_notes_for_all_of_genki_i_ii/ I'm willing to sppoonfeed to save the thread!!!!!

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:10:20 2017 No.17263173

Decided to start this thing again.
Went over the katakana to refresh my memory (hiragana is pretty much perfect at this point, after so many times learning that shit), did the first 10 kanji from the KKLC along with their vocabulary and the first 10 words of the Core2K/6K.

What would be a recommended number of kanji and vocab to learn everyday to not be overwhelmed ?
I did 10 of each to start slow, but it feels lazy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:11:04 2017 No.17263175 >>17263170 i'm more of a genki and 日本語文型辞典 advocate but good to know that you're willing to project your delusions on reality to defend your pride just because someone offended you once

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:12:36 2017 No.17263186 ＪＬＰＴがんばっておにいちゃんたちみずごりするよ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:14:38 2017 No.17263190 >>17263173 30 is a good number for vocab. Learn vocab without kanji first. Use dedicated Kanji learning methods like RTK or Kanjidamage only if you're struggling to distinguish Kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:16:53 2017 No.17263200 >>17263175 I'm more of a みんなの日本語 and ヤンさんと日本の人々 advocate but good to know that you're willing to engage in complex battles of memery to destroy the 出来ない shitters of the thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:17:20 2017 No.17263202 >>17263200 thanks man

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:17:26 2017 No.17263203 >>17263152 >>17263156 >>17263175 Not him but why haven't you denied you're the Sakubi author yet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:18:02 2017 No.17263206 >>17263203 middle post isn't from me and it should be obvious based on my writing style but no i'm not sakubi's author whoever that is

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:18:12 2017 No.17263207 First time hearing about Sakubi, could I have a link please? Google gives nothing.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:18:27 2017 No.17263209

>>17261019
Sorta unrelated, but this is the most fitting place to ask (aside from the only worthwhile reddit sub, /r/japancirclejerk)

Aren't English teachers in Japan a meme?
As in, paid like shit, replaced in months, treated badly by the staff.

By the way, i speak English as my second language since i was 4, and i became fluent at 11, but i'm not a native, can i still teach (with an English degree) English in Japan?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:19:04 2017 No.17263214 >>17263207 https://sakubi.neocities.org/

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:19:26 2017 No.17263217

>>17263207
It's in the guide resources link in the OP.

Sakubi is new and hasn't gone through the same hellfire other resources have. But it doesn't really matter what you use as long as you learn Japanese.

>>17263209
>As in, paid like shit, replaced in months, treated badly by the staff.

Generally, yes, but being on JET can be a legitimate gateway to other work in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:20:38 2017 No.17263227 >>17263186 あんな試験に受かるなんて天才しかムリだ！！！！！

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:20:59 2017 No.17263228 >>17263214 >>17263217 Oh wow it's DJT-made? When did that happen? I already learned Japanese, was curious about what this whole fuss was about.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:21:41 2017 No.17263230

>>17263228
It happened the past like five months.

>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=sakubi&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:23:43 2017 No.17263234 File: 21 KB, 411x434, 1234567890.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17263228

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:25:20 2017 No.17263243 File: 146 KB, 336x345, 1443523724287.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm going to learn Japanese with Sakubi!

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:25:42 2017 No.17263245
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>>17263230
Well regardless of the people who can't stand changes I think it's a nice thing if people attempt to make another grammar guide. Tae Kim is far from being perfect so an alternative is probably welcome. Good luck to whoever is contributing to it.

>>17263234

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:25:47 2017 No.17263247 File: 199 KB, 500x594, 1451941589773.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17263243 Good luck!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:28:24 2017 No.17263255 >>17263209 >only worthwhile reddit sub, /r/japancirclejerk lol how much do you project yourself into nazicumfarts and sokratez?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:32:23 2017 No.17263274 >>17263255 nazicumfarts is just too aggressive and autistic sokratez is hit and miss

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:33:48 2017 No.17263281 >>17263274 * hit or miss

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:36:12 2017 No.17263290 So, who won the argument?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:37:24 2017 No.17263295 >>17263290 What argument?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:37:55 2017 No.17263298 >>17263290 We all won, because no matter what happens, it can only get easier to learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:38:54 2017 No.17263305 >>17263298 Hardly, considering you're all still bound by the shackles of DJT EOPery.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:39:31 2017 No.17263309 >>17263290 >spend all day arguing how to learn Japanese instead of actually learning it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:42:55 2017 No.17263322 >>17263290 In the end, Genki is still king.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:43:02 2017 No.17263323
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>>17263298
I saw Sakubi's verb section, and even Imabi is better at explainig what is a 一段 and a 五段 verb to an absolute beginner

Sakubi is just like "yeah its like this and im not going to explain why roll with it"
It also has filler like pic (which shouldn't matter to an absolute newbie) related

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:45:33 2017 No.17263331 https://archive.org/details/revisedenlargede00atki I think this was mentioned in a previous thread, but I'm glad I found it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:47:53 2017 No.17263337

>>17263323
You're supposed to blaze through the first half of Sakubi for placebo reasons, so I don't see the problem with explaining conjugation one step at a time.

>It also has filler like pic (which shouldn't matter to an absolute newbie) related

I used to think the same about the "warnings" in Tae Kim, like him warning that ないです isn't a "proper" form, but by the time I became fluent I realized that by-the-way warnings are actually very important. There's three reasons why. The first is that they act like a "pay attention" message, like the parts of classical music that go from really quiet to really loud to keep the audience from falling asleep. The second is that someone's going to go try to read something before they have a map of how Japanese works, and get totally confused because they see something unfamiliar over and over again that they can't ctrl+f in the guide. The third is that it reminds people that they're being fed sweet lies, and it's not going to fit together properly in their head until they get out of the beginner stages.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:51:13 2017 No.17263349 >>17263337 >The third is that it reminds people that they're being fed sweet lies, and it's not going to fit together properly in their head until they get out of the beginner stages That's a pretty flowery excuse to half-ass the guide.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:51:28 2017 No.17263350 >>17263323 Should the warning about 問うた be later in the guide? I'll move it if it's in a dumb place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:51:59 2017 No.17263351 >>17263349 Giving warnings like that is the exact opposite of half-assing it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:53:28 2017 No.17263354 >>17263350 You should probably switch it with another verb.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 16:59:10 2017 No.17263373

>>17263350
It should be placed somewhere else, because Lesson 6 was basically a TL;DR on what verbs are.

It doesn't explain tenses in that Lesson, so it's something that one wouldn't know at that point.
For an absolute newb, Rikaisama is 100% needed to comprehend the examples.
Then again, i remind myself it's no about the examples, like the guide says.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:01:05 2017 No.17263378 I think the examples in Sakubi are nice because they are usually the simplest possible. When I check something out in DoJG, it's usually harder for me to comprehend the examples there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:02:05 2017 No.17263384 first time here, I was learning japanese on my own a bit at nights after study and work, for about 6 month and I know hiragana katakana 100 kanjis ru/u verbs and basic gramar rules. Do I am fine or should I consider going to academy?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:04:06 2017 No.17263391 put this warning in the op youtu.be/dbk92w1kdgc#t=161

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:05:02 2017 No.17263394 >>17263373 I'll move it to Lesson 8 where the past tense's "stem" is explicitly explained and put the disclaimer in the following intermission. Good enough?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:05:55 2017 No.17263399 >>17263066 >he can't even handle TK

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:06:24 2017 No.17263400 >>17263391 Is the Japanese language as lacking in insults as it looks?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:07:52 2017 No.17263406 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9-e_3GHrzw

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:10:29 2017 No.17263412 >>17263186 >みずごり What does this mean?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:13:29 2017 No.17263421 File: 45 KB, 293x265, みずごり.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17263412 水垢離ってかくらしいんだけどかけるひといないよでも、おとといみはみなしってるよ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:16:52 2017 No.17263437 わたしも濡れたいアソコで

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:24:14 2017 No.17263459 >>17263437 本当に反吐が出る!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 17:27:22 2017 No.17263470 >>17263459 なんでそういうの

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:32:47 2017 No.17263699 >>17262909 Who are you quoting, retard?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:33:56 2017 No.17263704 >>17263039 >written by someone not fluent Is he at least 70% fluent?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:35:14 2017 No.17263708 >>17263704 Doesn't seem like it, from what I've read so far.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:35:51 2017 No.17263711 >>17263704 All we know is the earliest versions of Sakubi said that the author wasn't fluent, and whatever mistakes he makes in the guide. Fluent is already a vague term so you can put him pretty much wherever you want.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:37:06 2017 No.17263717 >>17263399 Who said this? Why are you quoting it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:37:28 2017 No.17263718 nice recess guys now lets talk some SHIT

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:38:08 2017 No.17263719 >>17263708 >>17263711 Damn... I was hoping for at least a degree of 70% fluency. Welp...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:46:27 2017 No.17263750 VJG should be the default recommended guide instead of Tae Kim.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:46:54 2017 No.17263752 >>17263750 It's not text so you have a big fat "no" on that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:48:41 2017 No.17263755 >>17263752 No text is good because it forces people to make their own notes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:49:11 2017 No.17263756 >>17263755 Basic grammar is something you want to get through as fast as possible, not spend ten minutes per basic concept plus taking notes and reviewing them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:51:21 2017 No.17263763 >>17263756 Which is why the author of Sakubi is now fluent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:52:47 2017 No.17263770 >>17263763 I don't know what Sakubi is but it has nothing to do with what I just posted. Fluency comes from massive amounts of input. Drilling basic grammar doesn't help you recall it any more if you can already recognize it in context.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:56:24 2017 No.17263782 File: 157 KB, 960x738, IMG_1246.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do you guys remember Kanji? From each individual character's on omi and kun omi or do you learn them together

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:56:36 2017 No.17263783 >>17263770 theres a pretty big disconnect between what you say here and then >>17263756

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:56:45 2017 No.17263785

>>17263770
>Fluency comes from massive amounts of input
Which is why people who do nothing but watch raw anime are fluent no- oh wait that's not true. You need both input AND good grammar guides to help you interpret grammatical structures you encounter. VJG isn't verbose by any means and explains concepts extremely well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 18:58:28 2017 No.17263792 >>17263782 I've only studied vocab, kanji is included with that for free

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:02:04 2017 No.17263799

>>17263783
No?
>Basic grammar is something you want to [...] not spend ten minutes per basic concept plus taking notes and reviewing them.
>Drilling basic grammar doesn't help you recall it any more if you can already recognize it in context.

>>17263785
>Which is why people who do nothing but watch raw anime are fluent no- oh wait that's not true.
Nobody does nothing but watch raw anime. Nobody in the entire world has ever tried to learn Japanese that way. If you replace watching raw anime with reading and listening to large amounts of various types of input, including casual speech, then the answer is yes, you do get fluent by doing that.

>You need both input AND good grammar guides to help you interpret grammatical structures you encounter.
Grammar guides are only a foot in the door. If you can understand what's happening in a story when you read it, you're already past the point where grammar guides are an effective use of your time.

Exactly zero scientific studies have shown deliberate grammar study to have a statistically significant positive impact on FLUENCY in any language after beginner's stages after controlling for reading and exposure as possible factors.

Your understanding of language acquisition is not justified by the science and it's not justified by anecdotes either. You are not an example, you don't know Japanese.

>VJG isn't verbose by any means and explains concepts extremely well.
Everything in VJG can be learned through exposure VJG is incredibly basic. If you have problems with basic grammar and you think VJG is helping, that's because you're a beginner, not because it's making you fluent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:03:44 2017 No.17263807 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTsduRreug

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:04:22 2017 No.17263810 File: 848 KB, 1068x648, 1498156756724.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17263799 t. Sakubi

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:04:31 2017 No.17263811 tldr skimp on the fundamentals so you can get to that sweet suckin ass time that lasts a lifetime

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:04:51 2017 No.17263812 >>17263810 I don't know who or what the fuck Sakubi is, but if they agree with me, they're probably right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:05:22 2017 No.17263815 >>17263799 Buy your logic you don't need sakubi then. Just bash your head in the wall and refer to DOJG the moment you encounter は

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:05:55 2017 No.17263817 >>17263815 I never said anything about sakubi. >Just bash your head in the wall and refer to DOJG the moment you encounter は This is actually a good idea.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:06:25 2017 No.17263820 >>17263810 >>17263815 Why did you respond to the same post twice?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:07:05 2017 No.17263822 >>17263810 If studying grammar made you fluent Sakubi would probably be fluent by now considering how many grammar resources he lists as teaching him Japanese in the footer of the guide.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:09:03 2017 No.17263824 someone wants to commission a hentai translation from me, what do you think is a fair price for a standard length doujin

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:09:15 2017 No.17263825 File: 5 KB, 351x94, SuS Yo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17263820

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:10:04 2017 No.17263827

The do nothing but read meme is the equivalent of figuring out how to fly a 787 through trial and error. Sure you'll learn how fly it eventually and you'll be better off than a guy who only reads flight theory books, but it's far less efficient and more frustrating than someone who did both like a normal sensible person.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:10:25 2017 No.17263829 >>17263824 $25 Don't forget to add meme words like Mango, Oppai and Onii-chan

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:10:49 2017 No.17263831 >>17263824 i dont want to facilitate your shit garbage but ill give you a lil economics tip anyway when it comes to people gettin they rocks off theyll empty they pockets to empty they balls namean ya digg??

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:13:31 2017 No.17263839 >>17263827 not to mention youll crash alot of planes lol youtu.be/QqIOyVee6iU#t=244 the djt plane

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:13:42 2017 No.17263840

>>17263827
I never said "do nothing but read". Maybe read what I write instead of your gaslighted projection induced by losing arguments with other people. In fact, I never said that just reading alone would make you fluent. I specifically referred to input and mentioned listening on purpose. I never once said nor implied that you shouldn't study grammar as a beginner, only that grammar study stops being helpful at a certain point.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:15:48 2017 No.17263844

>>17263827
Yea, i always bashed on people who read Tae Meme then fucked off to go read their doujinshi's or some shit and translating each word every time they want to read something.

Studying through more advanced grammar resources like Imabi while learning the Kanji while reading (prior to that at least learn essential day&day vocab), watching videos (NOT ANIME), and seeing notes on colloquial speech and slang seems far more superior.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:16:11 2017 No.17263847 >>17263844 you don't know japanese

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:16:23 2017 No.17263848

>>17263840
>only that grammar study stops being helpful at a certain point.
I'm glad you agree that VJG is the best guide then. It's short enough that it can be done in a few days to give new people a clear overview of how things work and after that it's reading, vocab mining and looking up grammar in DOJG.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:16:59 2017 No.17263850 >>17263848 Resources that are not available as text will never be the primary recommended resource.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:18:46 2017 No.17263857 >>17263850 good thing cause nothing itt is the primary recommended way to do anything in the real world

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:19:29 2017 No.17263859 >>17263857 input is literally the only primary recommended way to learn a language in the real world

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:23:04 2017 No.17263868 >>17260474 what's that one u twat

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:24:11 2017 No.17263870 >>17263850 Someone copying the text and examples in VGJ would make a better guide than sakubi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:25:52 2017 No.17263876 >>17263870 good thing that's basically what sakubi is

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:26:26 2017 No.17263879 >>17263876 It's not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:26:40 2017 No.17263882 >>17263879 go ahead, do a 1:1 comparison, i'll be waiting

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:27:28 2017 No.17263884 >>17263870 VJG calls が an object marker at some point. Do you really want that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:29:38 2017 No.17263889 >>17263884 Unit 7 is a disgrace upon the rest of VJG.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:31:52 2017 No.17263898 >>17263109 Look at some of the あげる examples. One of the English translations has the viewpoint as the complete inverse of the Japanese example. I think >>17263113 pointed it out already so I wont take the time to post pics

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:31:59 2017 No.17263899 >>17263882 It's not, and if it was even close to 1:1 it's plagiarism to call it sakubi and not credit VJG directly, instead only putting it in other resources.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:34:02 2017 No.17263905 >>17263899 and yet that's exactly what tae kim did with his college textbook and you don't see me complaining

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:40:18 2017 No.17263920 >>17263048 bmup

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:40:51 2017 No.17263922

>>17263827
I'm a simple man. I see someone mentioning the 787, and I reply.

>>17263839
>MUCC
That's old as hell.

>>17263844
>NOT ANIME
Fail to see why. I listen to podcasts and watch other videos myself, but I feel that anime can at least give you a ego boost. And it will probably be the medium the average person in this thread would be interested in, so it makes sense to watch anime.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:45:06 2017 No.17263934 >>17263920 Probably ウ based on me being retarded

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:47:54 2017 No.17263943 >>17263934 Yeah, I was thinking ウ as well, but I wasn't very confident about it. It might be obvious in the source what it should be, but unfortunately I don't know where the image is from.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:48:50 2017 No.17263946 >>17263943 It looks like a character from Umineko so you can start there.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 19:57:11 2017 No.17263971

>>17263827
Only reading grammar resources, convinced you are learning Japanese, is identical to only reading a math textbook, convinced you understand the theorems. That does not mean exclusively reading, or exclusively doing exercises, is superior. Past some point, you are wasting your time, and you should move to more difficult content.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 20:21:13 2017 No.17264050 >>17263971 I think he means reading the basic grammar resources like TK or Sakubi then not bothering anymore and fucking off to read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 20:21:48 2017 No.17264051 >>17264050 That's a totally legit route if you don't think you shouldn't ever look up grammar patterns.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 20:24:37 2017 No.17264057 >>17263064 Grammatically, 気持ちいいくらい modifies what comes after it. So, that seems to be your answer.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 20:32:41 2017 No.17264067
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Is RTK really worth it for people who can point out Kanji from each other?
That can be done in a few weeks with radicals, and even then RTK gives you no readings.

It seems nobody has come to term for the Kanji learning meme, i personally shill rote memorization (while reciting a story or some mnemonic meme) with 5-10 readings max depending on how your feeling.
The readings is what matters, not telling Kanji apart from each other (that can be done rather quickly)

Anyways, do any of you learn the stroke order of the Kanji and write it out? I always do that when learning since it seems to help me remember shit faster (if it did with the kana and whatever i learned at school and college, it can certainly do it with this) and because one day it might be useful because who knows if i get stranded in Nihongoes land and i decide to send my dog out with a message one day.

Anonymous Sat Jul 1 20:34:40 2017 No.17264073

>>17264050
That indeed is bad practice. I was merely pointing out that neither extreme is great. I think one should mostly "fuck off to read" after TK, but still refer to some resource, like DOJG or Iambi, as they proceed to more complex texts. In other words, practice, but don't stop learning; the ride never stops.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 20:40:46 2017 No.17264086 >>17262499 JUST TAKE YOUR GODDAMN BRUSH OFF THE PAPER, JEEZ!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 20:58:02 2017 No.17264128 >>17264086 You dont understand our love. Me and 波磔ちゃん are dancing together in the realm of かみ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 21:12:28 2017 No.17264156 ダサすぎて死ぬわ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 22:35:57 2017 No.17264380 What exactly is ~が used for? What's the difference to ~は?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 22:37:59 2017 No.17264385 >>17264380 が is a subject marker. は is a topic marker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 22:42:51 2017 No.17264404 >>17264385 So if I wanted to say that I'm sick わたしはきぶんがわるいです is correct? Sorry I am but a mere babby who just started learning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 22:44:02 2017 No.17264410 >>17264404 That means you're grouchy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 22:52:24 2017 No.17264443 >>17264410 Well fuck it, I'm giving up on Japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 22:52:43 2017 No.17264444 >>17264443 See you tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 22:54:56 2017 No.17264450 Why does 絶対 have the meaning it does? The characters add up to what should mean something like "lose opposite".

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 23:05:47 2017 No.17264492 >>17264450 １他に比較するものや対立するものがないこと。

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 23:21:17 2017 No.17264539 >>17264404 you dont say わたしは there >>17264410 thats きげん

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 23:25:04 2017 No.17264552 おにいちゃんにほんの湿気なんとかして外の湿度８５％超えたー

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 23:29:35 2017 No.17264558 >>17264552 >湿度８５％超えたーたいへんなとかして言われても..エアコンはどう

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 1 23:40:37 2017 No.17264589 たいへんエイズかかりました

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 00:22:00 2017 No.17264694 File: 401 KB, 1336x1952, NEWü@GAMEüI_1_076.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 2nd panel: I'm thinking she's saying: "There is no need to be angry about it... It's just the hot springs." But I'm really confused by the use of くらい.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 00:22:55 2017 No.17264700 >>17264539 it still means grouchy, you don't know Japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 00:31:31 2017 No.17264727 >>17264558 湿度８５％の炎天下でトライアスロン大会だったんだけどしびとがでたっていううわさだよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 00:57:02 2017 No.17264789 >>17264700 not the way he was saying it bro you dont know japanese

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 01:02:17 2017 No.17264806

>>17264067
If you must learn Kanji (you probably don't) the best method is RTK + Koohii. The mnemonics are much better than you'd be able to come up with yourself and you don't waste any time on something you're going to forget over time anyway.

This should probably be in the guide:
https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 01:28:18 2017 No.17264884

I've been watching TV over at fujitv.live for the past month or two, but now the free ride is over and you're limited to only watching for 5 minutes before you have to refresh.

Is there any nerd here who knows javascript or whatever to create a workaround? I like the site, it has 7 day on-demand and the quality isn't dogshit, but fuck paying some chink 200 bucks a year to use it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 01:42:29 2017 No.17264926 >>17264884 beg to streamlink on github to create a plugin

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 01:54:53 2017 No.17264989 How much of this can you seriously understand without subs? I feel like I'm struggling to improve, I only understand maybe 65% https://youtu.be/ALWgIcIQ7Rc

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 01:58:05 2017 No.17264999 >>17264989 not much, shes whispering into a shitty mic while the music is loud as fuck compared to her voice I guess thats why she recommends the subs

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 02:00:09 2017 No.17265011 >>17264989 ほうちょうはといだほうがいいよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 02:01:56 2017 No.17265020 >>17264989 Like, 98%? I'm not big into cooking shows, but all of this is very simple stuff. I wouldn't watch her again, she's very sub-par, and that audio quality is cancer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 02:03:23 2017 No.17265030 >>17264989 You'll understand it by studying more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 02:10:10 2017 No.17265058 >>17264694 The girl is offended by the other girl's attitude and focuses on the word which expresses it. Now guess it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 02:15:40 2017 No.17265084 I came across たとえどんな～だろうと and apparently the と functions the same as でも here, with the entire idiom meaning something along "No matter what." But it's kind of hard to make sense of と here in that way, any help?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 02:20:29 2017 No.17265105 >>17264989 Why do Japs add so many useless extra works when they talk? What is accomplished by saying >まず最初に甘酢をつくっていくのですが Instead of just >まず最初に甘酢をつくっていく What does のですが do for the sentence?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 02:23:37 2017 No.17265116 Why do Japs add so many useless extra works when they talk? What is accomplished by saying >まず最初に甘酢を作っていくのですが Instead of just >まず最初に甘酢を作っていく What does のですが do for the sentence?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 02:30:53 2017 No.17265130 >好 >woman + child = love the japs are pedos

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 02:42:03 2017 No.17265165 >>17265116 >まず最初に Surprised you didn't point this one out, spergy. "First, we're going to start with..."? Why use both first AND start?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 02:45:05 2017 No.17265173 >>17265116 ご説明したいと思いますが今忙しいので

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 02:45:45 2017 No.17265175 File: 33 KB, 640x480, 1473574340288.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17265130 ロリコのお前から聞きたくないよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 03:06:53 2017 No.17265211 >>17265130 好 is technically the most fitting spelling for most instances of いい, and especially for よく. But the Japanese use it for "love", which is not even the original meaning...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 03:30:19 2017 No.17265254 >>17265130 >子ひともじだけで、だいじなひとのいみだとおもうよこどものいみはとくにないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 03:32:47 2017 No.17265261 >>17265084 It's not でも, it's とも. And the も of とも can be dropped. https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#とも

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 03:35:04 2017 No.17265270 >>17265130 You're fucked in your head, anon. The most common mnemonic for that kanji is a mother's love.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 03:42:59 2017 No.17265277 Just got out of jlpt n1 As always, listening was easy, and two chinese got kicked out for cheating

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 04:01:46 2017 No.17265309 >>17265116 To put an emphasis on the following sentence

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 04:22:33 2017 No.17265333 Any jlptfags taking the exam at SOAS, London today?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 04:23:42 2017 No.17265335 Which of the 2channel boards is a good place if I want to talk to japanese people outside the english textboards?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 04:25:37 2017 No.17265337 >>17265277 Really? What were they doing specifically? Also I guess N1 listening is easy, I got 60/60 on it when I took N1.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 04:32:35 2017 No.17265349

>>17265337

No clue, i was trying not to look anywhere but at my test

Security was tighter than 4 years ago when i took it, but still vulnerable to the same tricks.
Anyone taking the jlpt after china does can look up the answers on chinese forums, make notches in your pencil for test answers, and not get caught. Did that last time, got an n1 i didnt deserve.

Took it straight, no cheating this time though

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 04:33:40 2017 No.17265351 >>17265349 Don't you fear failure?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 04:33:41 2017 No.17265352 おこのみやきーたべたことある？お好み焼きに似た料理ってあのんの地域にもあるよね？

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 04:43:13 2017 No.17265371 >>17265351 Just a test nigga what teach gon' do, fail me? Oh no. Get angry? Oh no. Already live and work here

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 04:45:24 2017 No.17265377

I know that everyone does things at their own pace and whatnot. But would it technically be possible to pass the n2 after a year of studying from scratch?
Do any of you personally know any precedents? Asking because it seems feasible dictionary-wise with anki and all that shit but everyone I know couldn't even pass N3 after more than 2 years of studies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 04:45:26 2017 No.17265378 >>17265371 in IT?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 04:48:44 2017 No.17265386 >>17265352 いや、ない。でもお好み焼き味のおにぎりせんべいが食べったことある。滅茶苦茶おいしいんですけど、本物はどうかな？

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 05:00:22 2017 No.17265412 >>17265386 あたしのつくるおこのみはだいたいこげてるよたべる？つくるよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 05:13:28 2017 No.17265446 >>17265378 Gov work now Eng teacher 3 years before

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 05:16:57 2017 No.17265459 >>17265446 Not bad. But don't you feel embarassed for not having N1? Or rather, for not being well above N1? Or is the work in English?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 05:18:53 2017 No.17265462 >>17264884 >>17264926 http://japan.artv.ga/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 05:20:16 2017 No.17265464 >>17265462 Worse quality, no on-demand. I'm well aware there are other options, but it seems silly to downgrade.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 05:22:08 2017 No.17265467 File: 230 KB, 1242x2679, Advancedようと／が.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17265261 It's just ようと actually. とも can't be used with だろう, but I think when the も is omitted it's identical anyways.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 05:27:30 2017 No.17265480 >>17265459 Work is probably 90% japanese, but apparently i do good work so no one gives a hoot

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 05:29:40 2017 No.17265484 >>17265480 Fair enough. I guess it really is true when people say N2 is enough. I aim for getting a doctorate and then university work, so I hope N1 will prove advantageous for that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 05:41:04 2017 No.17265510 >>17265484 If you're good in your field, language requirements drop quickly, especially if you can get that research grant money

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 05:49:27 2017 No.17265533 >>17265510 My field is Japanese literature though.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 07:18:33 2017 No.17265727 [DELETED]

大丈夫か？大変だったな、おっさん。
誰かに助けを求めりゃよかったのに。
In reply to that "おっさん" says
求めて見捨てられたでしょ！？

Can someone help me out with that reply?
From what I interpret he's saying something like "If I would have looked for help I'd just be abandoned", but I'm not confident about that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 07:22:01 2017 No.17265735 >>17265371 You'll bring shame to your flag.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 07:26:07 2017 No.17265741 >>17265735 we all 非国民 here

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 08:59:08 2017 No.17265968 File: 13 KB, 255x238, 679942ffac925007c60274a29f63a453e427061e21b208dd2ef551acafd4aab1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey DJT, are there alternatives to Kanjitomo for OCR?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 09:00:38 2017 No.17265971 >>17265968 learning japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 09:02:00 2017 No.17265973 >>17265968 Yes, but they all use tesseract so don't expect any better results.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 09:30:16 2017 No.17266056 Can someone tell me what is スジマン is? Also I think ビラビラ is labia, but I am not quite sure about that either.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 09:37:42 2017 No.17266089 >>17265968 capture2text

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 09:48:08 2017 No.17266128 Does the interval modifier even work in Anki? My mature accuracy is bad and the interval feels way too long so I put it to 50% but my mature accuracy is still dropping after a few months of this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 09:57:36 2017 No.17266168 >>17266128 If your mature retention is dropping that's not because of Anki.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 10:06:24 2017 No.17266210
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Who is the author of this new(?) Sakubi guide?

I read through the preface, introduction and so forth but he makes no mention of who he is, how long he has been learning, what level of ability he has, or what qualifies him to teach you anything.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 10:07:51 2017 No.17266216

>>17266210
The earliest versions have a section about that. I assume he removed it because it's dumb and long.

>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=sakubi&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 10:08:05 2017 No.17266220 >>17266210 it's deibido

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 10:08:43 2017 No.17266223 Some more vn scripts. https://mega.nz/#!dGIAjDIK!2qCajmyttd0fhijfLpXp4W3SpofebRX-tpNkfz2_2-Q Kikan Bakumatsu Ibun Last Cavalier Dei Gratia no Rashinban Tsukikage no Simulacre Chronobox trials (included in the game as extras) Jingai Makyou

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 10:11:14 2017 No.17266235 >>17265968 google translate app has an OCR but you need nox app player + es file explorer to scan the screen grab its a chore but for handwritten scribble shit that capture2text cannot discern its your only recourse

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 10:16:45 2017 No.17266262

>>17266168

I think it's just luck propping up the value before. Mature cards usually feel more like a guess than something I know.

I guess I'll reset the deck with settings for the shortest possible intervals and if that does work I'll just give up on anki because my brain is too shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 10:31:24 2017 No.17266348 Ctrl + f sakubi 35 hits Considering we are at around 360 replies, every 10th post is talking about this guide. Can we please stop the fucking shilling?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 10:32:19 2017 No.17266353 >>17266348 36 now

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 10:33:48 2017 No.17266357 Sakubi will teach me Japanese!

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 10:34:12 2017 No.17266360

>>17266353
sakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubisakubi

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 10:37:43 2017 No.17266380 Which is the preferred translation of "Defense Minister" in Japanese: "Kokubō daijin (国防大臣)," "Boei Daijin (防衛大臣)," "Kokubōsō ( 国防相)," or "Bōeishō (防衛相)"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:04:46 2017 No.17266499 >>17266380 >国防長官 >国防部部長 >国防大臣国防 + title would be the way to go.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:11:50 2017 No.17266529 >>17266380 Wikipedia article has it as 防衛大臣

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:14:48 2017 No.17266543 >>17266529 Only for Japan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:30:30 2017 No.17266590 If i have an understanding of Chinese, where do i start learning Japanese? Seeing as how some of the words are similar to each other. Do i still go with the traditional method like the OP suggested or is there another method?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:31:12 2017 No.17266592 >爪の垢を煎じて飲む These god damned expressions, man.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:35:13 2017 No.17266608 >>17266543 thats right because 防衛 is a intimate word you wouldnt wanna be talkin about someone elses thats like talking about their wife

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:36:10 2017 No.17266614 >>17266499 But if it's like "Defense Minister, what may be the honor of you contacting me?", you use "Kokubō (国防)", but do you use "Daijin (大臣)", or "Sō (相)"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:36:37 2017 No.17266618 >>17266590 If you _know_ Chinese, as in you're capable of using Japanese learning material aimed at Chinese natives, go with that. Otherwise, learning Japanese in a language you're not fully comfortable with doesn't sound like a good idea.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:40:48 2017 No.17266641 >>17266614 衛相たん

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:45:28 2017 No.17266660 >people post vn screenshots to brag they're reading >ive read that vn >its the opening hour >every single time

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:46:09 2017 No.17266663 >>17266660 W a y q?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:48:43 2017 No.17266677 >>17266660 Hopping between VNs is still better than not reading at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:49:47 2017 No.17266685 >>17266660 That's understandable since most VNs become shit after the premise.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 11:55:38 2017 No.17266715 File: 570 KB, 1280x720, mid-to-endgame screenshot to satisfy anons hunger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17266660

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 12:04:57 2017 No.17266752 Would anyone be interested in ripping the information on this site http://www.imabi.net and adding it to the C. of Resources? Seems like it could be helpful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 12:05:46 2017 No.17266755 >>17266641 What's the Romanized reading?

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 12:15:08 2017 No.17266800
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>>17266660
I am reading https://vndb.org/v3746 as my first vn in japanese and it's going quite well. Still at the beginning but I've passed 2 options "already"
I've been sick these past days so I haven't read much of it recently and my anki cards have piled up, but I'm restarting it all today

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 12:28:23 2017 No.17266847 Are there any other reading packs available (other than the yotsuba reading pack) anywhere?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 12:29:53 2017 No.17266854 >>17266847 Stop being a drone and read what you want.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 12:42:00 2017 No.17266891 File: 45 KB, 685x560, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17266660 It's better to brag with one's N1 certificate. BTW check out my set of saves from when I finished Dies irae.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 12:49:02 2017 No.17266902 >>17266891 what a stupid post and poster

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 12:50:28 2017 No.17266906 >>17266902 I hope you did well on N2 today. Another failure would be too harsh.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 12:57:57 2017 No.17266930 >>17266906 sorry dude thats not my world but by all means keep posting the dumbest shit you can this is what the threads for

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:04:18 2017 No.17266951 >>17266930 Like you are proving.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:05:14 2017 No.17266955 >>17266223 how do I get the script size out of these?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:06:18 2017 No.17266963 >>17266951 posting is a 2 player game and youve been dancing for me for a long time

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:10:21 2017 No.17266983 >>17266963 I'm not hwabyung'd enough to dance with you.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:13:12 2017 No.17266993

>>17266348
I took a look at that sakubi guide and in all honesty I think it would be a bad guide to learn from. The author really seems to love grammatical categories and the origin of grammar and so on, but that is counterproductive for a beginner.

A beginner needs more examples and more of a pedagogic order. For instance I can't imagine the discussion of the て form (much less the distinction between form and particle, if there really is one) would make much sense to them at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:14:33 2017 No.17267000 >>17266983 no not with for

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:19:42 2017 No.17267017 >>17266993 I didn't understand the て form until I saw sakubi's explanation of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:22:22 2017 No.17267026 you know i think i appreciate this post more now >>17266660 because its reflective of the fixation on introductory materials in these threads and the low level "discussion" that results

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:24:14 2017 No.17267034 >>17267026 Want to discuss with people that actually finish the VNs they read? Go to the Untranslated VN General.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:24:19 2017 No.17267035 >>17267017 Please shill harder my friend. I guess I really have to put it on my filter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:25:06 2017 No.17267039 >>17267035 Considering you're basically responsible for this thread being full of it, yeah, this thread would be a better place if you filtered it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:25:38 2017 No.17267042

>>17266993
>The author really seems to love grammatical categories and the origin of grammar and so on, but that is counterproductive for a beginner.

I hope you're not talking about the intermissions.

>A beginner needs more examples and more of a pedagogic order. For instance I can't imagine the discussion of the て form (much less the distinction between form and particle, if there really is one) would make much sense to them at all.

Do you have any specific feedback?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:25:58 2017 No.17267043 >>17267035 dont worry if its not one bad meme its the next

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:27:01 2017 No.17267046 >>17266660 How do I actually finish things?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:35:06 2017 No.17267072 >checking out the reading list >物語シリーズ >Harder than steel Is it really? I just read the first few paragraphs in the DJT library and while it's a bit more complex than your average LN, it's nothing to write home about in terms of difficulty.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:36:03 2017 No.17267074 >>17267072 >Is it really? I just read the first few paragraphs in the DJT library and while it's HARDER than NORMAL JAPANESE, it's NOT ESPECIALLY HARD What?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:37:11 2017 No.17267080 >>17267072 No, 99% of "reading difficulty" stuff is memes. Nisio is one of the smoothest, fastest to read authors out there. 200 pages of Nisio feels like 50 pages of any other book honestly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:37:23 2017 No.17267081 >>17267046 By keeping at it until you finish it. You'll inevitably kind of ruin the first few VNs you read just because your reading speed is so slow that it completely fucks up the pacing of the game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:37:31 2017 No.17267082 >>17267072 It's actually easier than Hanahira.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:40:01 2017 No.17267093 >>17267074 Not enough to call it harder than steel, above Muramasa in the reading list. Am I being memed?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:40:25 2017 No.17267094 >>17267093 Muramasa is easy actually.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:41:00 2017 No.17267096 >>17267093 The reading list is not constructed by a single person. And if you see something like "hard as steel" you should probably realize that they're referencing a meme. Which they are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:41:23 2017 No.17267100 >>17267081 I've finished stuff at an incredibly slow speed before but I don't really feel like the experience was ruined. I have a pretty good memory for stuff like this but I do wish I could keep a more steady pace. Wish I wasn't an ADD faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:45:54 2017 No.17267114 >>17267100 You might just need to read more interesting stuff. Don't fall into the Yotsuba/Hanahira/Flyable Heart/etc. memes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:47:36 2017 No.17267122 >>17267114 Yotsuba is legit good though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:47:59 2017 No.17267123 >>17267122 If you happen to like it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:49:20 2017 No.17267129 >>17267122 It might be good for a very special kind of reader. Not something you put out there as a general rec to everybody.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 13:49:21 2017 No.17267130

>>17267114
The sad thing is that it is interesting. I just can't focus on it and before I realize it a week has passed without me touching it. I guess it's also hard because I need to use my brain more to comprehend than if I were reading it in English. I can actually read a lot when I get in the zone.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:01:53 2017 No.17267176

>>17267042
>Do you have any specific feedback?

Yes. Explain why you need the て form before you start babbling about how there's a particle and form and they're really the same but you're going to make a distinction anyway. A beginner doesn't know -ては patterns have anything unusual about them at this point, you haven't even brought up relative clauses yet.

Explain how they actually conjugate the damn verb. You still haven't said how to conjugate the past form of five form verbs.

This whole guide is geared to someone who already knows the basic grammar from some other resource. Otherwise it won't make sense. So why not write it that way keeping in mind that's your audience?

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:07:18 2017 No.17267199

>>17267176
>Explain why you need the て form before you start babbling about how there's a particle and form and they're really the same but you're going to make a distinction anyway.

I can do that.

>Explain how they actually conjugate the damn verb. You still haven't said how to conjugate the past form of five form verbs.

At this point you won't be able to formulate a coherent sentence even if you try, so I don't see the value in giving long conjugation tables so early, especially because someone's going to try to memorize it. I think putting it off until you also learn ます (Lesson 12) is pretty reasonable, but if you have a coherent argument against that, I'd be glad to hear it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:09:43 2017 No.17267207 >>17267176 I've never considered te particle and form to be the same thing.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:15:10 2017 No.17267228

>>17267199
Think of it this way. You said you want people to refer back to this guide not memorize it right? (Or maybe that was the video you included I'm not sure) If someone wants to say 'Oh yeah how to I form the -te form of this verb again' they're going to have to look at two widely separated sections as it is now.

It's not so hard to understand that the actual -ta and -te conjugations are contractions of the -i verb stem. I think you explain it that way later using different terms if I'm not mistaken. So why not move it a little earlier?

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:17:47 2017 No.17267235

>>17267228
I explain it that way later in different terms, yes. The main problem is that I don't teach the 連用形 yet. I did in a very early version of the guide, but it was an organizational disaster, so shoved it down to Lesson 12.

Do you think it'll be good enough to list the possibilities without associating them with specific verb forms? Something like:

>Five form verbs can end in one of several syllables. The exact spelling of the past tense depends on the original ending syllable. Depending on the way the five form verb normally ends, the past tense can be った, した, いた, いだ, or んだ, with very few exceptions. We'll learn exactly which past tense forms go to which five-form verb types in Lesson 12.

And then repeating it partially in the て form/particle lesson.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:24:06 2017 No.17267262 Is there any place where I can find Japanese closed captioning/subtitles of currently airing shows outside of moving to Japan and turning on a television?

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:24:17 2017 No.17267263

>>17267235
Why not just explicitly say which dictionary form ending goes with each past tense ending? Yes it's not as conceptually pure as you have it now, but it's fine to repeat yourself later. But yes I think what you wrote is an improvement.

By the way, I don't by any means think this guide is bad- it has its strong points - I just don't think it works as a first grammar resource as it is now. Thanks for being open to criticism.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:27:43 2017 No.17267270

>>17267263
The main reason is, people who don't like studying see vertical length as a kind of danger. Even if it's 80% simple tables, they'll see it and their brain will shut down, because they've had too many stressful experiences with bad textbooks in school. The main reason I'm okay with it in Lesson 12 is because it's far enough into the guide that people like that will probably be getting into a groove by then, and if they're not, text based resources probably won't work for them anyway.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:33:30 2017 No.17267292

>>17267270
Yes I get that, but I think what would happen in practice is it is right now too concise. I imagine some people would not quite understand a sentence and reread it a few times and get discouraged that way. Things like small tables and simple example sentences are easy to read material and the reader knows they can skip over it for now.

If you are worried about the overall length scaring them you can always 'hide' it by breaking the sections into their own html pages.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:34:18 2017 No.17267296 >>17267292 I'll try to figure out a way to deal with it. Thanks for the feedback.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:35:14 2017 No.17267299 >>17267296 No problem good luck with the project.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:37:18 2017 No.17267307 >>17267262 http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F I've tried in the past and the timing is always tens of seconds off and shifts multiple times, due to even raw version being trimmed of things like the sponsor messages.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:40:06 2017 No.17267319 >>17267307 We should start our own subtitle thing, like those script and light novel pages.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:42:15 2017 No.17267325 >>17267319 I don't think there's anyone here who could do that. It's not like English subs where you can just guesslate everything and no-one knows the difference.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:49:16 2017 No.17267340 Reading keigo is so tiring.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:53:29 2017 No.17267355 >>17267247 This actually looks interesting.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:54:52 2017 No.17267360

>>17267325
If someone's at a level where they can understand 95% of the dialogue of the show, they could transcribe the Japanese. There might be sections of slurred speech you can't parse. But it's fine to transcribe it in a way that makes sense, maybe even put a little note saying you aren't sure.

I've had people learning english ask me to transcribe english dialogue for them and even for me there were unclear bits I wasn't sure about (but I would never notice if I wasn't trying to transcribe). If it's not a big deal for native speakers, why does a learner need 100% accuracy?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:55:42 2017 No.17267363 File: 281 KB, 512x512, 1483614832770.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17267360 >If someone's at a level where they can understand 95% of the dialogue of the show,

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 14:57:15 2017 No.17267372 >>17267363 There are plenty of shows I understand 95% of, but I'm not volunteering. I'm just saying it's not unfeasible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:03:51 2017 No.17267384 >>17267325 You can take existing subs and just retime them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:09:13 2017 No.17267402 >>17267355 Yeah, I'm almost done (I assume) and I've liked it so far. I'll definitely get the other parts, whenever they're done. I couldn't hook the text though, if that matters to you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:10:57 2017 No.17267409 >>17267402 I have so much stuff to read I can't really get to it now anyway. A quick search couldn't find it and I don't feel like digging around for it now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:12:01 2017 No.17267413 >>17267409 It was in the recent Visual Novel Humble Bundle.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:14:31 2017 No.17267427 >>17267413 Even though I'm in these threads all the time I don't remember this. Something I can just search for in the archives?

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:19:24 2017 No.17267444

>>17267427
It's over already, but it included these games:

>TIER 1: Pay $1 or more to get fault -milestone one, KARAKARA, NEKOPARA Vol. 0 and Ame no Marginal -Rain Marginal-

>TIER 2: Beat the average price and also get NEKOPARA Vol. 1, Idol Magical Girl Chiru Chiru Michiru Part 1, Narcissu 10th Anniversary Anthology Project, fault – milestone two side:above, Highway Blossoms, Japanese School Life and Sound of Drop – fall into poison

>TIER 3: Top tier will cost you $12 but you get all the games from the previous tiers, plus NEKOPARA Vol. 2, WORLD END ECONOMiCA -complete-, Idol Magical Girl Chiru Chiru Michiru Part 2, Memory’s Dogma CODE:01, Root Double -Before Crime * After Days-
Xtend Edition and Sunrider: Liberation Day – Captain’s Edition

And many of them allow you to change the text to japanese (check the game's steam store pages)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:21:52 2017 No.17267452 >>17267444 That's a great deal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:22:26 2017 No.17267453 >>17267444 Paying money for censored versions of games you can get for free lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:25:03 2017 No.17267461 Duolingo >Imabi > Genki > Sakubi > TK Prove me wrong faggots

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:25:25 2017 No.17267462 >>17267299 I started working on it, and holy shit, somewhere along the line I totally broke the way information is introduced in the beginner section. Thank you so much for complaining about this, I have to fix it ASAP.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:25:56 2017 No.17267464 >>17267461 I can't, aside from your spoiler.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:26:04 2017 No.17267466 >>17267453 Don't worry, I set the money sliders to give everything to charity, so Sekai Project didn't get a cent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:48:56 2017 No.17267560 RIGHT, so like, ripping imabi's example sentences would be super useful and a thing we should do... Hello? Bueller?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:49:31 2017 No.17267565 >>17267560 Go for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 15:55:28 2017 No.17267589 I want to but that's a fuck ton of work to do by myself. Unless anyone knows how to rip from that side outside of just copy/paste.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 16:13:13 2017 No.17267667 >>17267589 Use a scraper like Beautiful Soup.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 16:19:03 2017 No.17267692 >>17267667 Not him, but on my last attempt to scrap imabi, I also tried to remove the romaji, but was unable to do so because there are no classes or ids anywhere. The guy probably uses a WYSIWYG editor and just writes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 16:28:47 2017 No.17267741 I dunno shit about code or python though. I don't know why we can't just start a group project or something to do it. Somebody had to type up all that stuff from DoJG, after all

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 16:29:50 2017 No.17267746 The romaji isn't on every page, just a lot of the beginner ones. It's gonna involve a lot of manual effort to scrape. But yeah, it looks like a standard wordpress site.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 16:30:38 2017 No.17267748 >>17267299 Okay, I just moved stuff around those lessons, let me know if this is good enough for you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 16:53:29 2017 No.17267856 １巻という言葉は、とかどのように読めますか？

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 16:57:07 2017 No.17267870 カモン！ Don't give up!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:00:22 2017 No.17267892 >>17267856 Google translate will say it all out correctly for you. いっかん、にかん、さんかん…

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:04:02 2017 No.17267913 きょうはＪＬＰＴしけんなんですって？がんばってくださいね

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:05:27 2017 No.17267920 >>17267892 ありたとね

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:18:30 2017 No.17267978 File: 1.95 MB, 480x320, 1498372707761.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17267560 >>17267589 >>17267692 >>17267741 >>17267746 >when your guide is so bad you need to steal from other guides to even compete

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:23:30 2017 No.17267993 > まだ食べるの？ You still eat? まだ食べるの？ You still eating? this seems erroneous, the same sentence is listed twice [sakubi]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:28:15 2017 No.17268012 >>17267993 I think it's supposed to be that way, it's multiple interpretations of the same sentence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:29:59 2017 No.17268024 >>17268012 Okay, I just think it's a bit off putting to print the same sentence twice. It made me do a double take; almost went crazy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:30:25 2017 No.17268026 >>17268012 There's no way to interpret the sentence as the first one though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:30:55 2017 No.17268029 >>17267993 >>17268026 Yeah that's an editing mistake from when it was a text file, I'll fix it tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:35:25 2017 No.17268053 >>17267741 Why do you want to copy Imabi exactly?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:42:05 2017 No.17268086 >>17267741 Was DoJG hand typed as opposed to OCR'd in?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:42:38 2017 No.17268089 >>17268086 OCRed then edited.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:46:44 2017 No.17268103 >>17267461 Duolingo is trash, especially the Japanese course

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:55:36 2017 No.17268125 I studied mandarin a bit and I know 1300 characters. So to start just read the grammar guide and start reading/mining. Is it better that I do the core?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 17:55:58 2017 No.17268127 あのんのしんぞうのこえがきこえるよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 18:00:44 2017 No.17268139 >>17267464 >>17268103 It was a joke, i think the spoiler made it obvious.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 18:07:40 2017 No.17268162 >>17268127 何言った

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 18:16:47 2017 No.17268183 is there a way to get Japanese manga in Burgerland off of Amazon?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 18:22:02 2017 No.17268203 >>17268183 Google Tenso. Is there any difference in the meaning between 以内 and 以下? What about between 運営 and 経営?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 18:33:51 2017 No.17268245 >>17268203 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=以内と以下の違いは http://lmgtfy.com/?q=運営と経営の違いは

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 18:35:21 2017 No.17268252 いきづかいがたいおんがちしおのたぎりをしたためし

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 18:40:57 2017 No.17268266 >>17268252 うん。ひさしぶりにいい句が出せたよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 18:49:53 2017 No.17268292 >>17268245 I wouldn't be asking here if I hadn't looked in 3 different J-E dictionaries first knew runes well enough.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 18:50:56 2017 No.17268300 >>17268292 *and knew

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 18:53:18 2017 No.17268305 >>17268292 if you cant read through whats there in the google results then dont you have more important things to worry about

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 19:03:38 2017 No.17268333 >>17268305 Unfortunately that's true. And credit where credit is due, actually the first result for 以内vs以下 was for a question on Goo, which actually helped me understand the difference. Thanks.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 19:10:14 2017 No.17268352

>>17268333
keep your head up homie

think about why youre at a point where those are the questions that come up for you as opposed to ones involving the fundamental things preventing you from using japanese resources and attack them relentlessly till youve won

ill be cheering you on onii chan

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 19:28:15 2017 No.17268397 最近は男か、男でないか、分からないような男が多い。

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 19:30:38 2017 No.17268407 >>17268397 ヌーメールですか

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 19:41:27 2017 No.17268434 File: 55 KB, 400x280, どっち.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17268407 にほんではこういうのをさすかな

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 19:46:16 2017 No.17268442 いわゆる男の娘ってことかな

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 19:50:57 2017 No.17268451 女性はみんなバカだからそれくらいがわかるだろう

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 19:52:02 2017 No.17268453 File: 209 KB, 1200x630, かばんちゃん.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] かばんちゃんが性別不明で人気ありました

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:03:34 2017 No.17268476 >お袋 >⇒ははおや(母親) あっそっ...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:06:26 2017 No.17268485 File: 50 KB, 1280x720, image%3A238167.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can someone explain　は(Ha)　は(Wa) to me? How should i know when it's ha and when it's wa? How should i use it? Please senpai i need to learn this now that fansubs are dead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:10:16 2017 No.17268493 >>17268485 Just read more and you'll automatically select the correct reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:10:51 2017 No.17268495 >>17268485 Because you asked nicely. は is always pronounced "ha" unless it's used as the topic particle. For reference: https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#は(1)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:11:19 2017 No.17268496 >>17268485 >は？ばあいによっては >You idiot. くらいの意味じゃなあとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:12:04 2017 No.17268498 >>17268485 It is only 'wa' when it is a particle. It's pretty much never confusable once you know what words look like.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:14:52 2017 No.17268505 >>17268485 Konnichiha!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:32:23 2017 No.17268556 >は！だったら >Bastard! くらいのいみかもしれないとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:40:53 2017 No.17268576 >>17268556 「やがる」気分はどう思う？

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:50:10 2017 No.17268595 i like its explanations more than dojg. they are clearer to me.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 21:19:20 2017 No.17268653
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>>17268493
>>17268495
>>17268496
>>17268498
>>17268505
>>17268556
Thanks, maybe i should at least learn more hiragana characters before trying to really understand the details, i only know 30 characters (started yesterday),and english is not my first language so it's hard to understand when they explain language rules in the videos, i guess i will understand better once i actually read sentences.

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 21:35:31 2017 No.17268701

>>17267042
I am a beginner and I have some feedback.
Lesson 4: Some more examples of no besides possession would be helpful. The way VJG does it was nice. Both the location aspect and how doctor 'no' friend can mean either the doctor's friend or a friend who is a doctor. This helped me understand both the ordering or 'no' and its attribute aspect.
Lesson 5: More examples of 'he' to differentiate it from 'ni' would be nice. Since motion verbs haven't been mentioned yet the reader has no examples to help make sense of the difference. Maybe some examples and non examples of motion verbs would fit here?
Lesson 8: The formatting for the conjugations wraps to the next line.
Lesson 9: I understand how to form them and the first use. "It's no good not to get up" makes no sense. I don't see the use in stringing together verbs. There isn't an adjective in the i-adjective part? Unless tabenai is an adjective? I'm guessing this stuff will be elaborated on later and you're just letting us know it exists.
This is as far as I've gotten so far. I switched to Tae Kim and got almost halfway through. I understand why the guide is so concise, to make getting to the point of reading easier, but I think more examples to check the reader's understanding would help them get through it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 21:46:00 2017 No.17268716 >>17268576 >ってやがるおとこことばなので、あたしはつかわないけどけんかとかそういうぶっそうなばめんでみかけるよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 22:08:04 2017 No.17268774 File: 372 KB, 1024x768, 98072.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Have you been reading compelling content, DJT?

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 23:23:09 2017 No.17268989
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Hey DJT, I'm currently debating whether I should do Kodanshas Kanji Learners Course or not.

Is anyone around that went through it and wants to share his experience with me?
Does it pay off to invest the time studying it, compared to just learning by reading and mining?

Do you benefit from knowing the "general" meaning of a kanji with all the irregular readings and 当て字?

I mean knowing the meaning of the kanji in 影響 probably won't help me guess the meaning, but being able to distinguish them from other similar kanji might be nice?
But then again I could always look up the kanji I have trouble with once need it.

I'm afraid of wasting time on studying kanji and then encounter things like this 八百屋 or 流石 where I won't be able to make out it's meaning nor it's reading if I didn't already learn it.

While I'm at it, should I really mine every word with it's kanji, even if it's "usually written in kana"?
I've never seen 流石 or 矢っ張り written in kanji while reading, but I once saw 沢山.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 23:25:35 2017 No.17268995 how do you type ティ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 23:26:26 2017 No.17268999 >>17268989 >While I'm at it, should I really mine every word with it's kanji, even if it's "usually written in kana"? Yes, of course. 流石 for example is common. >>17268995 thi

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 23:29:42 2017 No.17269006 >>17268995 teli

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 23:48:06 2017 No.17269054 Was the JLPT really today? How was it? I need to start seriously studying for the one in December.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:11:45 2017 No.17269103

Does Japanese, and especially the Japanese "style" of expressing oneself, ever feel completely natural to foreigners? Or do you always feel a little bit like it's foreign and strange, even if you get used to it and understand the strangeness?

Put another way: Do you ever feel like you understand Japanese from the inside looking out, truly at home in it, or do you just get better and better at "getting" the inside, despite always remaining on the outside?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:12:41 2017 No.17269108 >>17269054 What level are you going for anon? I wanna go for N3 or maybe N2 this December, did some example N4-5 tests and it was a joke so I'm sure I'll pass N3.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:14:31 2017 No.17269111 >>17268999 >流石 Every time I see さすが written like this, I almost always first read it as りゅうせき

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:15:33 2017 No.17269117 >>17269111 It's ateji anyway so who cares.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:19:39 2017 No.17269124 >>17269108 N2. I'm sure I'd pass N3 but it's not really useful so I won't bother with it. I really need to polish my comprehension and very importantly my reading speed. I'm too damn slow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:22:08 2017 No.17269130 File: 98 KB, 600x600, Vomit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17268774 >Compelling content Have you seen their bumholes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:25:25 2017 No.17269144 >>17269124 But you got plenty of time to read from what I've seen. I'm worried about listening though. What do you plan on studying for it? Just read stuff or do exercise books or stuff like that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:27:26 2017 No.17269152 >>17269144 >I'm worried about listening though. Just watch anime. Watch every show from spring and summer seasons and fill in gaps with older anime

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:30:03 2017 No.17269160 >>17269111 流石 is so common, I never have an issue with it. 発条 always gets me, I read it as はつじょう all the fucking time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:31:02 2017 No.17269165 >>17269160 発条 is gikun so yeah it would do that

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:39:49 2017 No.17269183
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>>17268989
I'm at #721/2300 and I can tell you that it has been quite helpful. I can't say for certain that it's the best use of my time, but I can say for certain that it's absolutely not wasted time. As I go I've been adding the key vocab words to a deck; my retention rate in said deck is 93%, with most of my failures being a missed reading over a missed meaning. I was shooting around 80% before. You can certainly make an argument for that 13% not being worth the time investment, but the distance between a B- and an A certainly feels like a gulf.

As you said the 'meanings' of the kanji are quite useless in many cases but even as such I find that being familiar with the kanji gives me an anchorage for the memory of the word itself. If I'm staring at a word I don't immediately recognize in Anki, I can follow a breadcrumb trail of memories starting at the kanji and hopefully leading to the word. If I'm staring at a word I don't recognize that is also composed of kanji I'm unfamiliar with, all I can do is wait for the memory to appear or hit again.

Even if you were to buy the argument that kanji study is a waste of time, everyone can agree that a few thousands or words to pad your vocabulary is progress.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:41:26 2017 No.17269185 >>17269183 Wow, someone using KKLC correctly. I'm shocked. Can I get an autograph? I scanned it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:45:53 2017 No.17269193 >>17269185 Thank you for your service to our humble learning community, senpai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:46:41 2017 No.17269194 >>17269183 You are manually adding all vocab to a deck?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:46:52 2017 No.17269195 >>17269160 よめないしつかったこともないけどなんかのルール決めにつかうっぽいふいんきじゃないかなそれか地名。みたことないけど

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:49:31 2017 No.17269207 >>17269124 And N2 is useful?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:51:10 2017 No.17269215 >>17269144 For right now kanzen master dokkai. I should pick up an N2 grammar book as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:52:11 2017 No.17269219 >>17269215 Yeah

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:53:17 2017 No.17269221 >>17269207 N2 can get you a job as an out-of-sight service worker in Japan. An N3 can't.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:59:22 2017 No.17269247

The best resources to study for the JLPT and probably the only ones you need are:
>Kanzen Master
>Shin Kanzen Master
>Nihongo Sou Matome
>JLPT Mock Test

That's it. The rest is the usual reading and listening practice you should be doing with native media.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:03:22 2017 No.17269261

>>17269194
Not quite. Only the key vocab, for starters. And I don't create all of the cards by hand, I use Yomichan+研究社 because it's easier and I get audio that way.

I think there are premade decks for the vocab, but by creating my own I can match the paces of my vocab and kanji study, such that the words I learn are built of the kanji I learned yesterday.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:10:23 2017 No.17269276 >>17269219 meant for you >>17269207

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:11:40 2017 No.17269279 発条、鎖鬚、撥条、弾機、発弾、発軌 wikipediaよりばねってなんでこんなにかんじがあるの？そしてつかわないの

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:17:54 2017 No.17269300 >>17269221 >>17269276 I guess it might seem cool for future English teachers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:27:19 2017 No.17269324 File: 26 KB, 283x314, 1456125653353.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do I improve my 日本語 skills if I just read 魔法少女 stuff all day long?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:35:05 2017 No.17269334 >>17269300 I'd like to land a post-graduate scholarship next year. I mean two students in my university landed a research scholarship at Todai, and one of them is in the same career as me. All three of us just have an N3 certificate too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:36:50 2017 No.17269337 >>17269300 This is what I want to do. I don't know if I'll do it forever but it seems pretty cool to me. A lot of criticisms for the field but I don't really care about that anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:45:57 2017 No.17269357 >>17269334 When you do research in English noone cares about your N3.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:48:53 2017 No.17269363 >>17269324 yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 02:25:38 2017 No.17269460 >>17269357 Yeah but it helps against the competition for the scholarship than having nothing at all.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 02:31:55 2017 No.17269469

>>17269460
Does it? I guess it varies from country to country. Mine is really small, so when I applied (to the scholarship relevant in my case), I was pretty much the only applicant with a project in Japanese. Even on the interview the examiners wanted to speak in English. It got the impression the applicants are expected to study and research in English-only. Especially considering they'll be at some big Japanese university where speaking English is a must for pretty much anyone.

But I can imagine some big countries have more people trying with Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 02:40:12 2017 No.17269487 クソガキになりたい

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 02:42:57 2017 No.17269493 >>17269487 もうなってるじゃん

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 02:45:51 2017 No.17269501 File: 325 KB, 720x720, 1480737805190.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17269493 本当?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 02:52:16 2017 No.17269512 フレンズになりたい

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:24:48 2017 No.17269597 >>17260474 Anyone?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:30:18 2017 No.17269612 >>17269597 http://japanesedecks.blogspot.com/

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:30:43 2017 No.17269613
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>>17269597
The only push for an anime deck was CGDCT image set relating to the word. Even if that was somewhat relevant, it never got very far back on /a/
so do as the late michael jackson says, start with the man in the mirror. 17 nosejobs later you'll have your anime deck? I guess?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:31:16 2017 No.17269617 File: 19 KB, 645x773, x.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw struggling to get 60% retention on the core deck with 20 cards a day

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:32:33 2017 No.17269621 >>17269612 Oh yeah i forgot about subs2srs >>17269617 get 7 hours of unbroken sleep and exercise, it might go up

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:33:59 2017 No.17269626 >>17269621 I get 8 hours a day and I review forgotten cards before I sleep Do I have brain damage?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:34:57 2017 No.17269630 Anki isn't fun like reading guys. All I've been doing is the mining deck since reading manga. I kind of want to do 2,001 through 10,000 but why when reading vocab seems more beneficial?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:35:29 2017 No.17269633 >>17269103 I still haven't fully settled into English despite by now being pretty much fluent in it. Not gonna lie, If I acquire that much fluency in Japanese I shall be God-King among gaijin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:38:56 2017 No.17269640 >>17269626 No, the english i'm reading from your posts has been constructed from a functional brain. Try increasing the steps to 1 5 10 20 on new cards and 5 10 on lapses

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:46:28 2017 No.17269658 I hate learning Japanese! I hate it!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:56:23 2017 No.17269676 File: 77 KB, 624x414, みこ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17269658 でも巫女さんはすきなんでしょう

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 04:50:02 2017 No.17269774 File: 129 KB, 377x408, 1430442230116.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17269658 >I hate it!

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 04:54:15 2017 No.17269784

>>17269640
Do you do new cards after reviews, or mix them in? I have it on the latter and I think one thing that really tanks my retention (not using true retention since I do it on mobile without addons) is that I forget 80%+ of the new cards until it's down to those remaining plus a few others that I forgot previously, so all those "agains" pile up.

I don't know if it's optimal to do it after though. Obviously if you were only doing something like 5 new a day it would be bad since you'd go through them too quickly to remember, but is 20 still to little to do them after reviews?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 04:57:25 2017 No.17269794 >>17269784 I do new cards before reviews, if I mixed them in i found they would not go in and would 'swirl the drain' toward the end

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:02:28 2017 No.17269812 >>17269794 Having new cards separate is kinda easy mode. You know they're new cards so reading it you know it can only be one of ~20 cards, as opposed to ~6000. Mix them in and embrace the low percentages.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:12:11 2017 No.17269834

>>17269812
>You know they're new cards so reading it you know it can only be one of ~20 cards, as opposed to ~6000.
My mining is mixed in with core 6k, so one of nearly 13k
Why does it matter anyway, if I fail them I hit again and only the few problem ones tailgate me to the end of the session

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:21:26 2017 No.17269844 File: 382 KB, 589x960, text wall.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Light novel my ASS

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:23:06 2017 No.17269846 >>17269844 >period after every 5 words I feel like I turned into a 5 year old just reading this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:26:40 2017 No.17269850 >>17269846 You already were

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:35:41 2017 No.17269869 >>17269612 Ty How hard is it to set up a Subs to SRS deck it seemed really complicated when I was reading about it?

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:42:34 2017 No.17269881

>>17269676
>>17269774
It's true! I do!
Why can't this shitty language be easier? What does it need a billion characters for?
I feel like an idiot trying to read the most simple sentences and seeing actual Japanese texts makes me nauseous!
I also hate everyone who is much better than me already for being more disciplined.
I just want to watch anime raw for crying out loud.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:53:15 2017 No.17269903 >>17269881 >I just want to watch anime raw for crying out loud. then just do it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 06:46:54 2017 No.17270032 やきなすがおいしいやきなすがおいしいとうれしい

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 06:58:06 2017 No.17270063 >>17270032 ??? happy fried eggplant ?????/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:01:13 2017 No.17270069 >>17269617 Do you mean 60% overall, or 60% mature? 60% mature is brain damage tier.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:10:05 2017 No.17270093 File: 145 KB, 1010x810, Sad Girl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17270069 >60% mature is brain damage tier.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:12:03 2017 No.17270095

>出るところはきっちり出ている
What does this mean? I'm reading oreimo and the context is Kyousuke describing his sister's appearance. I've looked at the english translation for oreimo and it says "round in all the right places" but I'm not sure if thats the correct meaning.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:16:12 2017 No.17270104 >>17270095 出るところ = breast and hip

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:17:55 2017 No.17270107 >>17270095 へこめ！

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:19:54 2017 No.17270112 >>17270093 I was getting ~65% when I was severely nutritionally deficient, so I can't see anyone getting even lower without some kind of problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:23:46 2017 No.17270119 >>17270104 Thanks anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:44:54 2017 No.17270170 File: 21 KB, 400x300, なす.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17270063 にほんのeggplantは長茄子ともいってたまごのようにまるくないよそしておいしい

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:48:27 2017 No.17270180 >>17270093 Custom study more on your good days.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:55:08 2017 No.17270197 >>17270170 このあいだ米茄子っていうアメリカ茄子たべたんだけどぜんっぜんおいしくなかったよまずかった

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 08:16:52 2017 No.17270282 What are some good decks on Ankiapp

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 08:54:38 2017 No.17270384 >>17269844 It looks like a wall of text but it doesn't have any difficult vocab or grammar.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 09:01:02 2017 No.17270399 >>17269844 What LN?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 09:05:03 2017 No.17270410 >>17269512 セフレんですか？

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 09:29:30 2017 No.17270524 >>17270282 "AnkiApp" has nothing to do with the Anki people use here and is far inferior to it.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 09:30:14 2017 No.17270529
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I'm not getting any better, no wonder I considering I barely ever read cause I get distracted by 4chan.

Gonna leave this thread for at least a month.
I plan on going into full nip learn mode using all my free time on reading and learning instead of shitposting on 4chan.

Wish me luck senpaitachi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 09:55:35 2017 No.17270610 >>17270529 See you in an hour.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 10:01:40 2017 No.17270630 File: 619 KB, 1264x1691, books.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are all y'all reading? May mail finally arrived, gonna start with のんのんびより.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 10:04:57 2017 No.17270637 >>17270630 I think I'll start reading はなひらっ！ kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 10:06:58 2017 No.17270643 >>17270637 >reading はなひらっ！ I thought that was a game?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 10:08:13 2017 No.17270647 >>17270630 Hmm those kind of look like manga though? So what are you reading again?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 10:11:31 2017 No.17270655 >>17270647 Actually all but のんのんびより are LNs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 10:12:57 2017 No.17270663 >>17270655 Hmm but you said >gonna start with のんのんびより So what are you reading now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 10:17:29 2017 No.17270681 >>17270663 I'm gonna start with it because it'll just take a couple minutes and I enjoy that series.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 10:19:43 2017 No.17270690 >>17270681 Hmm ok. Weirdo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 10:28:54 2017 No.17270715 >>17270690 youre the weirdo stop posting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 11:08:25 2017 No.17270829 Why do gikun words exist?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 12:36:11 2017 No.17271112 fucking rutracker hanahira torrent fucked me in teh ass, it said japanese/english but it was simply english in fact

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 12:57:58 2017 No.17271211 File: 768 KB, 799x2061, n2-question.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are you good enough for N2 yet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:09:54 2017 No.17271277 File: 23 KB, 700x244, iwaretai.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Was watching a tv stream and this show was on >魔女に言われたい夜 I don't know how to parse this. The night I want to be told by a witch? i don't understand, what does it mean?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:14:26 2017 No.17271295 >>17271211 yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:15:16 2017 No.17271301 >>17271112 It's up on the nyaas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:20:44 2017 No.17271328 >>17271295 What's the correct answer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:21:23 2017 No.17271331 >>17270399 Haruhi Suzumiya >>17270384 It is a wall of text either way

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:22:53 2017 No.17271341 >>17271328 長すぎ読んでない

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:24:09 2017 No.17271349 File: 8 KB, 140x150, 6.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17271341 Right...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:25:26 2017 No.17271356 >>17271328 I'd say 2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:29:28 2017 No.17271382 >>17271277 Might not be to be "tell the night" but to be "the night in which she tells". In other words it would mean "the night on which I want to be told [something] by the [a/the] witch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:31:06 2017 No.17271389 >>17271356 And you'd be right

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:36:34 2017 No.17271417 >>17271211 >starts to question his life choices >immediately quits his job The madman

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:37:04 2017 No.17271418 File: 431 KB, 640x360, 1436198842118.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17270630 Is that girly ショタ gonna get 気持ち'd by the お姉さん

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:52:44 2017 No.17271517 >>17271211 >that's a very progressive way of thinking for Japan >朝日新聞 >ah no wonder

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:58:16 2017 No.17271546 >>17269597 Make your own. That's why god invented print screen

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:59:56 2017 No.17271555 >>17269784 That's a good thing. It cuts down on false retention. X means either Y or Z, but since it's new it has to be Z.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:02:18 2017 No.17271574 File: 176 KB, 824x1200, F88xGoF[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17270630 Just started accel world, i liked the mongolian tapestry so I figured i:d like the source material

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:27:57 2017 No.17271695 >>17271301 Thanks man, I did indeed end up getting it from the nyaas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:36:42 2017 No.17271737 It's true what the other anon said that you guys are always starting to read something, so let's do something different. What have you read to completion so far? If the list is too long, last 5 works you've read to completion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:38:10 2017 No.17271747 >>17271737 I finished 絶対霊域 in less than a week because it's so easy. I haven't finished anything else. I'm always starting things because I'm looking for something as compelling as ZR was, but can't find it. I just want my loli ghosts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:38:47 2017 No.17271750 What's the most babymode manga to read for a beginner? Yotsuba&?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:39:12 2017 No.17271752 >>17271737 Not a recommendation thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:39:24 2017 No.17271753 >>17271750 yotsubato with the reading pack

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:41:08 2017 No.17271759 >>17271752 That wasn't the intent. Or do you think that when anons asks what you are reading they're looking for recs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:42:13 2017 No.17271763 >>17271737 会長はメイド様! 絶対可憐チルドレンるろうに剣心 -明治剣客浪漫譚- ベルセルクソードアート・オンライン >>17271750 Literally any shounen/shoujo manga when in doubt go with the big name pleb tier ones because the simple stories and mass appeal work well with shit tier nip understanding

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:44:21 2017 No.17271773 >>17271763 How exactly did you complete Berserk, captain? And why is your taste otherwise so bad?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:44:37 2017 No.17271775 >>17271737 >Yotsubato >Koichoco >Nayuta no Kiseki >Tonakoi >Parfait I struggled to come up with this list, I should probably stick to what I read more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:45:55 2017 No.17271786 >>17271753 Where does one find it? Pantsu is mostly down, it seems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:48:18 2017 No.17271799 >>17271773 >How exactly did you complete Berserk, captain? Liberal use of kanji tomo, fuck military terminology >And why is your taste otherwise so bad? fight me irl faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:09:11 2017 No.17271893 >>17271737 >to completion I've read so much shit and not completed it its kinda embarrassing. I've never completely finished a LN or VN. From start to finish I've read Joshiraku Kuro だいたいこんなんで Sumikko no Sora-san Marimari Marigold

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:10:13 2017 No.17271897 >>17271893 That list is very embarrassing indeed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:10:44 2017 No.17271901 >>17271897 much like your posting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:14:36 2017 No.17271919 >>17271737 genki volume I

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:17:23 2017 No.17271934 >>17271737 Rewrite G-Senjou no Maou Planetarian Subarashiki Hibi Baldr Sky Dive Muv Luv (not Alternative yet)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:25:48 2017 No.17271960 >>17271418 hopefully

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:27:05 2017 No.17271966 File: 88 KB, 772x525, Cl7qw8lVYAE8dFS[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17271919

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:30:21 2017 No.17271978 File: 56 KB, 300x297, 1471994012443.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wanna read faster fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:32:04 2017 No.17271983 >>17271978 Read more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:38:12 2017 No.17272006 >いつでも今日が、いちばん楽しい日。 so I started by reading th e blurb on the front cover of yotsuba, and I just want to make sure I got this right: "today is always the most fun day" is this what it means?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:43:00 2017 No.17272019 >>17272006 yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:47:19 2017 No.17272038 >>17271775 Oh shit, Touch too. A college professor (and my Japanese teacher) had all the volumes and lent them to me. Most fun read I've done in Japanese so far.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:50:52 2017 No.17272065 >>17271978 Use 反響定位 instead of your eyes to parse the ink.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:51:44 2017 No.17272071 this yotsuba reading pack is a lot worse than I expected. oh well, still better than nothing

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:53:19 2017 No.17272083 >>17271775 >Parfait All routes, right? What did you think of it? I'm starting it soon myself

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:54:04 2017 No.17272085 File: 127 KB, 450x800, touch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17272038 >pic related

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:56:11 2017 No.17272097 >>17272083 Common route was pretty good but most routes were weak (especially Rea's, what a shitshow of a twist). I only truly liked Ema and Rikako's routes which were great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:03:40 2017 No.17272118 >>17272071 What's wrong with it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:12:42 2017 No.17272158 葈耳！！！

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:21:04 2017 No.17272195

>>17272118
well, maybe I'm just more beginner than his intended audience, but for example もうすぐ is listed as two words, while it's one word on jisho and that seems to make more sense
I guess it's just for completion's sake, but I don't know why he lists "a full container" for いっぱい when that meaning seems to be irrelevant here.
I understand that it's a vocab list, and not a grammar guide, but I still think it would be nice if he included things like sentence ending particles, like ぞ on page 6.
Also, な, at the end of her sentence "とうちゃんここ家がいっぱいあるな！", which I couldn't find info on in the DoJG, but according to a reddit comment which I'm not sure I can trust it is "used to seek agreement/add emphasis, it's basically a slang version of the ね you see at the end of sentences". I would say this could/should be included if you're making a vocab list for beginners.
Of course, not all of this is essential to understanding the story, but I feel that paying attention to all these things is essential if I want to be legit good at Japanese one day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:26:52 2017 No.17272228 >>17272195 >if I want to be legit good at Japanese one day. Don't worry, you won't be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:26:53 2017 No.17272229 >>17272195 もうすぐいっぱい means full/a lot of next two things are grammar, don't skip tae kim dude. anyhow yes, using packs like that is dumb in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:29:59 2017 No.17272245 >>17272195 You probably should finish reading Tae Kim if those are your criticisms. You won't be able to read shit even if you know the vocabulary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:32:00 2017 No.17272252 File: 8 KB, 140x150, 29.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17272195 Shit dude, finish a basic grammar guide first.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:33:08 2017 No.17272260 >>17272229 I figured all of that out in the end, but thanks. >>17272245 >>17272252 Maybe I will, but reading is just more exciting, and it's not like I can't look stuff up as I go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:35:34 2017 No.17272268 >>17272260 >reading is just more exciting You're not reading at this point. You're just recognizing words in the wild while not being able to piece them all together.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:36:26 2017 No.17272278 あれ、おかしいなはやおきしたからかな

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:36:54 2017 No.17272283 >>17272260 If you're having fun it's fine, but you should look to your grammar guide first when you're confused if you haven't even finished it yet, not a reading pack or DoJG or google.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:38:49 2017 No.17272289 >>17272283 you're right about that. my grammar guide did already cover both な and ぞ, so that is indeed where I should have checked first

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:40:02 2017 No.17272296 >>17271349 >>17272252 Is this dekinai-chan?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:58:09 2017 No.17272376 File: 969 KB, 1725x876, shotagetsswallowed.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ちくりちくりくりちくり

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:00:08 2017 No.17272387 File: 9 KB, 140x150, 11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17272296 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:03:06 2017 No.17272401 Complete beginner question, might be retarded >揚羽さん。これが最後の死合いとは本当か The context is two characters about to duel each other. Is 死合い here supposed to be the same as 試合, or am I missing something more obvious?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:04:42 2017 No.17272411 >>17272401 It's a funny word play on it, yes. Welcome to Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:08:31 2017 No.17272429 File: 520 KB, 1732x1025, html.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So what are the best settings for reading htmls in Firefox? I feel like pic related is straining and not good for my eyes but I dunno what to change

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:10:14 2017 No.17272436 >>17272429 Aside from the line width, looks good to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:11:05 2017 No.17272442 >>17272411 Alright, thanks.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:11:35 2017 No.17272445

>>17272429
The best is a light gray with black font

>It’s best to go for the second option of the light grey section. Also, like Oliver Hoffmann stated, light text on a dark background is more difficult to interpret and thus slower to read. However, some studies indicate that making text harder to interpret improves the extent to which the information is registered and memorized.

>So you could utilize this to aid in memorization, though you will undermine readability and comfort, and though better memorization is good, it will probably deter people from reading the text in the first place.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-font-color-for-text-on-a-grey-background-screen

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:13:12 2017 No.17272450 >>17272445 This is pseudoscience.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:14:54 2017 No.17272458 >>17272445 I always knew Tomorrow was the best skin

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:15:41 2017 No.17272459 >>17272445 Huh. Do you have that setup? If so screenshot please

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:26:16 2017 No.17272491 >>17272429 >reading left to right kys also your font rendering looks bad, try text-rendering: optimizeLegibility; in your css.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:30:43 2017 No.17272503
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>>17272429
>>17272436
I just changed the font to it isn't as stingy to the eyes anymore.

Which do you guys think looks better?

>>17272491
I'm tech illiterate, do I have to do anything with brackets or something or just copy and paste it into the file?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:38:52 2017 No.17272522 >>17271934 There is no game called "Baldr Sky Dive".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:39:43 2017 No.17272524 >>17272522 You again? lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:40:45 2017 No.17272527 >>17272522 Literally not even part of DJT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:46:22 2017 No.17272536 >>17272522 sure there is theres 3 of them actually sky dives 1 2 and x

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:51:40 2017 No.17272548 >>17271737 よつばと if that counts 恋する彼女の不器用な舞台キノの旅 volume 1 ココロコネクト volume 1 & 2 Baldr Sky Dive 1 Now that come to list them it seems like hardly anything. Still, I haven't even been studying for a whole year yet so I don't think I'm doing too bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:52:53 2017 No.17272552 >>17272548 >キノの旅 volume 1 >ココロコネクト volume 1 & 2 >Baldr Sky Dive 1 None of these are "completions"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:53:33 2017 No.17272554 >>17272552 Baldr Sky Dive 1 is, in fact, a completion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:54:06 2017 No.17272555 >>17272554 hardly

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:54:21 2017 No.17272556 >>17272555 It is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:57:29 2017 No.17272571 >>17272556 Only on paper. In actuality it can't be called a completion because the story is literally not completed. There's not even any quasi-ending at the end of dive 1, it's just abrupt cut in half.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:58:06 2017 No.17272575 >>17272571 Baldr Sky Dive1 is longer than the average standalone VN. Moreover, it is in fact a complete story and has an ending. Finishing it is "reading a story to its completion", no matter whether your metric is based on length or storytelling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:58:13 2017 No.17272576 >>17272554 About as much as watching 6 episodes out of a 12 episode anime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:58:50 2017 No.17272579 >>17272576 I didn't know six episodes of anime took multiple days of nonstop consumption to finish.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:59:21 2017 No.17272582 >>17272576 You might be retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:59:47 2017 No.17272586 >>17272575 No, you're absolutely not reading a story to its completion. Dive 1 makes not attempt at making it seem like the story is over.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:00:49 2017 No.17272592

>>17272586
>you're
I'm not >>17272548 you fucking idiot.

>Dive 1 makes not attempt at making it seem like the story is over.
The fact that it has a direct sequel does not preclude it from being a complete story. It is a long story with a real ending. Your personal opinion on what a "good ending" is is irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:01:18 2017 No.17272593 whats more retarded is getting into an argument over off topic blog shit lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:01:39 2017 No.17272598 >>17272576 Yes, this is a fitting comparison.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:02:17 2017 No.17272603 >>17272576 It's like watching one cour of a split cour anime. You're off by an entire order of magnitude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:03:45 2017 No.17272611 >>17272579 What has time spent to do with anything idiot? Yes VNs are longer than anime, congratulations on this revelation. You still haven't finished the game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:04:37 2017 No.17272616 File: 162 KB, 1881x774, geri.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17272459 sure >>17272450 yep

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:04:48 2017 No.17272618 >>17272611 >You Anon, I'm about to shock the everliving daylight out of you: the people who respond to your autistic off-topic rage posts are never the person you responded to in the first place.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:05:14 2017 No.17272621

>>17272592
>>>you're
>I'm not >>17272548 you fucking idiot.

Why did I think I thought you was? "You" here is a grammatical helper word, interchangeable with "one". If I was talking about that guy I would have used past tense, not saying that you are reading a story when he has already finished dive 1.

But it does not have a real ending. It literally said something to the effect of "to be continued". That's not an ending no matter how you look at it. Whether it's a "good" ending or not is irrelevant when it isn't an ending at all.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:07:09 2017 No.17272629

>>17272621
>Why did I think I thought you was? "You" here is a grammatical helper word, interchangeable with "one".
Probably because you were directly addressing me, not making a blanket statement that would apply to everyone, as is required to use "you" as a generic pronoun in real English.

>If I was talking about that guy I would have used past tense,
You have no idea how English tense works.

>But it does not have a real ending.
It has several real endings actually.

>It literally said something to the effect of "to be continued".
Having a continuation does not mean that it is not a complete story.

>That's not an ending no matter how you look at it.
This is an incorrect personal "opinion", and it is yours only.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:07:53 2017 No.17272633

>>17272621
>If I was talking about that guy I would have used past tense, not saying that you are reading a story when he has already finished dive 1.
So you're saying that he finished reading it? I was pretty sure you used the progressive aspect because you were just that sure that it's not a full story, but now I'm not so sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:08:32 2017 No.17272635 >people desperately trying to convince themselves they have "finished" things when they haven't to make themselves feel good this is actually pretty funny

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:09:03 2017 No.17272638 >>17272635 Nobody is doing that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:15:45 2017 No.17272671 >>17272616 Hm... I actually can't tell if this is better or worse than >>17272503 I can't stand your font though, Mincho for life

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:23:21 2017 No.17272714 >>17272616 can you post the color code for background?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:26:53 2017 No.17272730 >>17272714 #ADADAD in html rgb(173, 173, 173)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:58:24 2017 No.17272875 File: 62 KB, 810x780, 1410772192045.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 週末は、土曜日にジョギングをしました。それからアルバイトに行きました。日曜日は、物理学と日本語を勉強しました。ゲームも遊びました。君は週末は何をしましたか？

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:06:40 2017 No.17272913 File: 5 KB, 900x175, Hanahira Progress Chart.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17271737 Yotasuba vol 1-3 Hanahira Flyable Heart Satsukoi Zero no Tsukaima vol 1 I haven't read anything in over 6 months though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:07:40 2017 No.17272919 >>17272913 >Yotasuba vol 1-3 >Zero no Tsukaima vol 1 Not a completion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:18:54 2017 No.17272966 File: 311 KB, 1080x1920, Screenshot_2017-07-04-02-16-16.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >finally finished core2k after almost a year of studying I-I'm fluent now, right guys?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:21:03 2017 No.17272978 >>17272919 I read each of those volumes to completion.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:22:47 2017 No.17272986

>>17272919
Each full-sized entry in a long series is a complete work. For long-running anime, this is cours or long arcs. For serializations, this is volumes or volume sets. For trilogies and duologies, this is individual members (as long as the trilogy/duology isn't strictly ornamental). If someone says "I completed Kingdom Hearts 1", that is obviously a completion, just like reading a full-sized novel in a long series of such novels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:24:17 2017 No.17272993 >>17272875 ハメすぎて馬鹿になった

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:26:03 2017 No.17273003 File: 8 KB, 829x437, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17272966 >341 cards in 68 minutes top zozzle

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:39:36 2017 No.17273073 File: 9 KB, 270x100, cap.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17273003 h-haha yeah he's slow

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:52:04 2017 No.17273115 >>17272966 >1 year of studying >only 8 mature cards >200 learnt cards today So you only got serious in the last few weeks?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:52:55 2017 No.17273122 File: 56 KB, 758x1024, spice-wolf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are you a bad enough dude to fucking read the first page of 狼と香辛料?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:54:23 2017 No.17273127 >>17273122 Did you just discover books or something? Fuck off, dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:54:48 2017 No.17273130 >>17273127 Did you just discover 4chan or something? Fuck off, dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:55:49 2017 No.17273137 >>17273130 Are you being retarded on purpose or is it natural?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:56:25 2017 No.17273138 >>17273137 Are you being new on purpose or is it natural?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:57:01 2017 No.17273140 荒れてきたからこのスレ終了しようぜ次スレ立てないでいいぞ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QONONWQjk2E

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:57:52 2017 No.17273141 >>17273122 That's not that difficult.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:04:20 2017 No.17273162 私は大きなペニスをもっています Is this sentence correct?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:04:49 2017 No.17273164 >>17273162 It is if you're a bottom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:06:11 2017 No.17273171 >>17273164 What's wrong? How do I fix it? Asking for a friend btw

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:07:24 2017 No.17273176 >>17273162 Are you holding a large penis?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:08:17 2017 No.17273178 >>17273176 持ってるよ

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:08:47 2017 No.17273181 >>17273162 >私

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:09:44 2017 No.17273186 >>17273176 I heard that もつ could be used to express possession, am I wrong?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:24:23 2017 No.17273248 >>17273186 それはそうだけどそのちんこをちょっと見せてくれないか

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:28:49 2017 No.17273267 >>17273248 はい、５０００円ちょうだい

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:40:34 2017 No.17273295 File: 123 KB, 1080x1920, Screenshot_2017-07-04-03-38-40.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17273115 I just got lazy in the middle. A friend of mine started learning japanese recently so that motivated me to actually finish the deck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:41:24 2017 No.17273302 >>17273003 >Average answer time: 2.9s (21.0 cards/minute) I'm not even trying to do it quickly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:49:25 2017 No.17273337 >>17271211 The use of that Simplified Chinese font is offensive. Did not finish reading.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:07:56 2017 No.17273403 >>17273162 >not 吾輩は偉大なる肉棒の持ち主だ、崇めよ平民共！ Step it up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:13:23 2017 No.17273429 >>17273337 You can blame Android for that one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:38:35 2017 No.17273519 >>17273302 >2.9s Do you bother checking the answer or is it an instinctive 'I know this word. Next' sort of thing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:05:26 2017 No.17273603 Practicing listening by watching plot-heavy JAV. It's the closest I'll get to observing real Japanese life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:08:12 2017 No.17273612 >>17273337 They look the same as always to me. Which characters in particular?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:11:19 2017 No.17273627 >>17260182 Recently got back into the grind and I can't believe how much I avoided Anki in the past, It's changing my life. Before I would desperately dance around avoiding it instead using stupid shit like Memrise and now I feel like an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:22:44 2017 No.17273648 >>17273627 Don't overdo it or you'll grow to hate it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:24:42 2017 No.17273652 >>17272875 どようびはのらにでてにちようびはやまでたけをかりました

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:39:48 2017 No.17273697 does anybody know where i can get a downloadable of textfugu? I can't afford $20 a month

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 23:27:45 2017 No.17273835 >>17273697 Why the fuck would you want textfugu? It's garbage.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 00:34:32 2017 No.17274044
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Does anyone else use the power format pack? (https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/162313389))

I don't get what the definitions tool is supposed to do and how you use it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 00:43:39 2017 No.17274092 >>17273003 do you write the kanji for production cards?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 01:24:05 2017 No.17274202 道路 >road うぁってぇっふｃｋ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 01:52:01 2017 No.17274252 日本にはおおきく分けて４つの料理がある「和食」「洋食」「中華」そして「カレー」だ http://www.mod.go.jp/msdf/formal/family/recipe/archive/currey.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 01:59:18 2017 No.17274271 >>17274252 >中華餃子とチャーハンは食べたことある？

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 02:28:29 2017 No.17274359 シャットダウン

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 02:32:03 2017 No.17274373 >>17274271 カレーをたべなさい

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 02:35:51 2017 No.17274385 when is 家うち and when is it いえ will I ever konnichiha?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 02:50:16 2017 No.17274428 >>17274385 うち for your own, いえ for others'

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 03:08:00 2017 No.17274474 >>17274373 いやだもん...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 03:31:12 2017 No.17274525 空 this kanji looks like a retarded face to me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 03:33:30 2017 No.17274526 >>17274474 カレーはどこをどう不味くするかがあじのきめてだよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 03:33:38 2017 No.17274527 >>17274525 How about 少?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 03:39:05 2017 No.17274535 File: 124 KB, 600x600, athomeVOX_9F.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17274526 あじはともかく、辛いものが苦手です

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 03:40:09 2017 No.17274536 >>17274527 yeah, that one too. and I remember 火 also reminded me of a face back in my non-learner days

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 04:16:48 2017 No.17274587 File: 72 KB, 594x448, カレー.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17274535 それcarryじゃない？インドとかタイとかの辛いやつそれじゃなくってカレーだよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 04:34:45 2017 No.17274613 read sakubi's te form explanation and it didn't tell me what it is nice can someone who isn't an autistic freak re-write it in plain english?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 04:40:05 2017 No.17274625 >>17274613 there's at least 5 resources in the guide which will tell you

>>	h Tue Jul 4 04:55:04 2017 No.17274647 >>17274625 not this one though and it's supposed to be the best, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:00:54 2017 No.17274660 File: 175 KB, 1000x394, 1499158378822.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17274587 妹さんのバージョンなら味見したい >>17274647 >and it's supposed to be the best, right? yeah sure is :^)

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:01:21 2017 No.17274662

I know it's very trendy and kakkoii to start arguments in this thread about which resource it's the best, I think the guide itself has the right idea with this sentence (resources page):
>There is no "correct" way of learning, so you should try out the resources appropriate for your level and see which you feel are best.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:04:37 2017 No.17274664 >>17274662 fuck off my way of learning is superior and every other one is shit :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:10:25 2017 No.17274671 >世の中には表と裏がある表と裏　front and back?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:12:05 2017 No.17274680 >>17274671 Surface and underbelly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:29:06 2017 No.17274714 >>17274662 now remove those discussions and the thread would be empty, since anything else is either 'blogging' or results in board redirects didn't' put a whole lot of thought into it, did you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:33:45 2017 No.17274727 >>17274660 curryってつづるんだっておいしくはないよケチャップいれてある

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:36:46 2017 No.17274731 >>17274714 I know, I was being ironic. I don't mind those discussions since I can't read the Japanese posts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:36:58 2017 No.17274732 カレーよりいまはころっけかわないとたいふうきたから

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:37:17 2017 No.17274735 >>17274662 While there might not be a "correct" way, there are certainly "better" ways. And it just so happens the way I'm doing it is the best.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:57:21 2017 No.17274778 File: 701 KB, 1733x1324, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How to improve my browser font?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:57:52 2017 No.17274779 Do you listen to any Japanese radio stations to try improve your Japanese? I have only really listened to anime radio specials so far (i.e. radio new game) and am looking for suggestions

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 06:31:51 2017 No.17274855 What does って at the end of a sentence mean when they're not quoting anything in particular, some sort of emphasizer? I see it a lot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 06:36:24 2017 No.17274868 >>17274855 this post is the equivalent of "WHO ARE YOU クウォティング"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 06:46:33 2017 No.17274894 Is there a list of Kanji ordered in the order of being introduced in Japanese schools?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 06:51:15 2017 No.17274902 >>17274855 It highly depends on the context, they just omit the verb after the って when it's obvious, mostly it's 言う. 何だって！？ What did you say!?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 06:51:18 2017 No.17274903 >>17274894 Kyouiku kanji

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:01:24 2017 No.17274929

>>17273519

My cards are like:

>制覇

>せいは
>conquest

So there's very little to read. I keep the definition as short and unambiguous as possible.

I've known kana for about 12 years and I spent some time trying to answer cards as quickly as possible in the past, so that helped.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:06:17 2017 No.17274936 >>17274929 There's really no reason to have more on your cards than this. For some cards I don't even add a translation but just an image.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:11:18 2017 No.17274951 >spend some time setting up a vm so I never have to boot into windows again (except virtually of course) >display language is japanese too, might help me acquire コンピューター vocab and shit >game doesn't start, errors out :\|

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:14:06 2017 No.17274957 >>17274951 What windows? I ran into errors with Windows XP, but using Windows 7 (and switching -everything- to Japanese I haven't had a single issue (outside of games that needed to be cracked)).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:14:11 2017 No.17274958 File: 143 KB, 1200x851, C4D_caKVMAAHnQv.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17274951

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:16:51 2017 No.17274966 >>17274957 it's a fresh install of 7, everything is set to Japanese guess I need to install some runtime or some shit, but the エラーログ doesn't seem to be that helpful

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:17:54 2017 No.17274972 >>17274951 Most VNs use python anyway and the rest you can run using playonlinux. No need for a vm.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:18:43 2017 No.17274974 >>17274966 Might need DirectX installed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:21:46 2017 No.17274983 >>17274972 I just thought it would be easier to texthook and shit this way. >>17274974 I'll try that, but I thought it was installed by default. >tfw getting japanese captcha

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:22:58 2017 No.17274986 >>17274983 You can always ctrl+c the error textbox and paste it somewhere if you need to rikai it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:24:54 2017 No.17274990 >>17274983 >texthook and shit Oh, my bad, I assumed you actually wanted to read your VN.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:26:53 2017 No.17274993 >>17274986 >予期せぬエラーが発生しました。 I had a feeling it would say something like this. Still, thanks for the tip!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:37:12 2017 No.17275069 >>17274778 install gentoo

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:41:18 2017 No.17275082 >>17274778 Ctrl =.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:48:17 2017 No.17275100 >>17273612 組試取変他にもいろいろ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:52:55 2017 No.17275117 File: 143 KB, 1302x888, 2017-07-04_13-51-17-sel.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17275082 Thanks, it worked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 08:37:16 2017 No.17275244 にほんごをぎゃくまわしできくと母音がおおすぎてききとりにくいね

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 08:43:39 2017 No.17275268 https://youtu.be/nivmgeFl5Gw

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 08:48:09 2017 No.17275279 >>17275268 I like it more when it's the girl with the cute voice, more relaxing too. I'm a lonely virgin though so don't really mind me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 08:49:21 2017 No.17275288 >>17275268 What is this? Did you learn Japanese for a week before making this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:04:31 2017 No.17275512 Who the fuck screwed up thread #1822?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:06:22 2017 No.17275518 File: 46 KB, 632x598, 1498768682943.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >CTRL+F "sakubi" >148 matches I know Sakubi is shit and even Imabi can explain stuff better but holy fuck stop false flagging.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:07:27 2017 No.17275521 >>17275518 151 now!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:25:56 2017 No.17275574 Unit 11 of VJG is missing, anyone got an idea where I could find it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:31:54 2017 No.17275594 >>17275574 nvm found it on yt

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:33:02 2017 No.17275599 >>17275594 ill do you one better i found it you know on the site https://www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/11demonstrativepronouns/11demonstrativepronouns.html ????????

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:34:19 2017 No.17275606 >>17275518 >using a grammar guide these guys won't make it far, don't worry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:44:27 2017 No.17275641 >>17275599 idk it says page not found for me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:59:39 2017 No.17275683 >>17275518 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9uZFqtNxrw

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:03:56 2017 No.17275697 >>17275518 Imabi is the best if you have any understanding of linguistic terminology.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:23:28 2017 No.17275763

>>17275697
This applies to the later sections only.
Beginner up to Intermediate is easy to understand for someone with low English/Linguistic knowledge (you can always google "grammar term" if you don't know what it is), while Sakubi is filled with technical English that just assumes your cool with everything off the bat.

>>17275606
Isn't Imabi a grammar guide as well?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:26:36 2017 No.17275772 nihongomori is the best grammar guide

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:28:58 2017 No.17275783 Stop using grammar guides beyond the absolute basics of how a particle based language works.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:30:33 2017 No.17275787 I managed to get Hanahira working in a VM (just needed to set compatibility mode to xp lmao) but it's gay as fuck so I'll just stick to よつばと

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:36:42 2017 No.17275813 >>17274613 There is no "what it is". Japanese isn't English. It tells you what it does. If you need more than that, you can't learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:45:23 2017 No.17275839 >>17275813 so why does this thread exist

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:50:55 2017 No.17275855

>>17275697
>Beginner up to Intermediate is easy to understand for someone with low English/Linguistic knowledge (you can always google "grammar term" if you don't know what it is), while Sakubi is filled with technical English that just assumes your cool with everything off the bat.

Imabi is probably one of the most unconstrained things listed anywhere in the OP.

>Differentiating ga が or wa は (not pronounced as ha) can't be defined by rules. They aren't the same kind of particle, and ga wa がは and wa ga はが are consequently impossible. Even if they may seem to be used similarly, they cannot coexist in the same part of a sentence.

>Particles show function, and so it will be absolutely crucial that you focus on the purpose for using them in order to understand how they are used. This lesson does not discuss all the usages of these two particles, but you will leave this lesson with a gist of how they are used to create sentences.

>The basic meaning of suru する is “to do.” As the "to do" verb of Japanese, it is extensively used. Consequently, it also has many other usages that may or may not relate to the English understanding of “to do” as in actions.

Imabi is the pinnacle of "technical English". This is so abstract and technical that it's basically useless. And that's if you ignore the minor writing mistakes that litter it:

>The particle wo を is very important to most sentences in Japanese due to its role of marking the direct object of a sentence. As you might remember when learning about Kana, the character used to write o should be pronounced as "wo." Although some speakers still pronounce it this way, especially in singing, it is typically pronounced as "o." Despite its regular pronunciation, for naming purposes, it will be referred to and romanized as "wo" so as not to confuse it with other things.

>Because we have yet to look at verbs, but because verbs are essential to sentences that have direct objects, most examples in this lesson will only involve the basic form of a verb. Any deviation will utilize endings that are listed and defined in the vocabulary list.

The reason Imabi's relatively advanced parts are recommended is not because they are more technical, it's because Imabi's writing is so crappy that it's only worth forcing your way through for the stuff that only Imabi gives you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:51:26 2017 No.17275861 >>17275839 Because every resource is crap and having a community makes up for that.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:56:26 2017 No.17275872
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>>17275855
>Imabi is the pinnacle of "technical English". This is so abstract and technical that it's basically useless.
You are young, padawan.

>>17275813
That may be true, but if someone is confused, the guide is probably doing something wrong.

>>17274613
Do you have any specific feedback? What are you confused about?

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:57:59 2017 No.17275879
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Serious question, how much does the language used in VNs differ from actual Japanese you would find in everyday situations or in a newspaper or something like that?

Learning by reading a VN is fun and convenient, but I'm afraid of reading tons of VNs and ending up only being able to speak and understand little girls language.
Does it depend on the genre? I imagine a loli character would use baby tier Japanese to act according to her age for example.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:58:51 2017 No.17275882 >>17275879 >Learning by reading a VN is fun and convenient, but I'm afraid of reading tons of VNs and ending up only being able to speak and understand little girls language. That's not a thing. Don't worry.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 12:00:01 2017 No.17275886

>>17275879
Entertainment media like VNs, LN, Anime, and Manga, all cover, but don't focus on, the speech used in real Japanese in daily life. Additionally, they may cover dialects not used in your areas of interest, or might cover the standard dialect in a shallow way.

>>17275882
What he said too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 12:02:07 2017 No.17275895 >>17275879 the same way a narrative reads different opposed to a bideo game review in english

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 12:16:26 2017 No.17275927 File: 144 KB, 1280x720, screenshot0014.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17275879 "Real" Japanese is 1000 times easier than anything you'd find in novels. Just like in English.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 12:17:10 2017 No.17275928 >>17275879 With insufficient experience, you can end up using inappropriate archetypical speech easily. If you only listen to girls in media, you won't be able to understand males immediately, but it doesn't take a huge amount of adapting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 12:19:33 2017 No.17275940 >>17275927 Listening can be more difficult in real life because normal people don't speak with the same clarity as voice actors. Especially males in informal contexts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 12:21:05 2017 No.17275945 >>17275882 >>17275886 >>17275895 >>17275927 >>17275928 Thank you very much for the fast answers. Now I can focus on reading, I'm relieved.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 12:25:12 2017 No.17275960

>>17275940
Well yeah, but you have similar lack of clarity and slurring in every spoken language.

I might be biased though, listening has always been the easiest part of Japanese for me and I did lots of listening before I even started to read and study kanji.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 13:51:38 2017 No.17276226 What is the other て in 待ってて or 手伝ってて? Recently encountered this but I don't know what form it is

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 13:52:12 2017 No.17276228 >>17276226 it's the て form of いる

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:17:51 2017 No.17276339 >たすけてくださいました lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:25:02 2017 No.17276369 >>17276339 誰がよ

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